[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 144, Issue 27
Jeff Detrich
jjdetrich at gmail.com
Tue Jul 5 21:15:46 EDT 2016
IMHO, do not cut the hood.
Try some simple things first. Consider a new thermostat, but take
precautions that you buy a correct Cleveland rather than the more common
Windsor.
It is possible the old radiator may be to blame. If there are good
radiator shops nearby, then you could pull the radiator and have them tank
it and clean it up and pressure test it. That may be all it needs.
If the overheating persists, then new fans might be helpful. The other
option would be to buy a new radiator and fans from one of the vendors.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
Owen, Chuck has good advice. If you live in generally cool climes, you
don't really need an expensive set up. Besides the other things everyone
suggested in reply, the only thing you might need/want are SPAL pusher
fans. *That way you will keep the stock appearance of your car.*
Aftermarket aluminum radiators pretty much all have to lay down, some more
than others.
Jeff
6559
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:29 AM, <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
> Dear Owen,
>
>
>
> IMHO, do not cut the hood.
>
>
> Try some simple things first. Consider a new
> thermostat, but take precautions that you buy a correct Cleveland rather
> than the more common Windsor.
>
>
> It is possible the old radiator may be to blame. If
> there are good radiator shops nearby, then you could pull the radiator and
> have them tank it and clean it up and pressure test it. That may be all it
> needs.
>
> If the overheating persists, then new fans might be
> helpful. The other option would be to buy a new radiator and fans from
> one of the vendors.
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Owen Cooke wrote:
>
> Guys i need advice please
>>
>>
>> I have a nice original 1972 pre L pantera
>>
>> i have some cooling problems in traffic even though i am in Ireland and
>> its never very hot here
>>
>> rad and fans are original. with no vents in front hood
>> i notice that the hood got extremely hot and i got some boiling over
>> the fans were working but they are the originals and not very powerful
>>
>> i am considering putting vents in the hood and fitting a new rad and fans
>> kit assembly (PPC Fluidyne rad ) from pantera parts
>> this the one with puller fans but i want to keep it upright
>>
>> does this plan make sense
>> i dont need a massive improvement in cooling - i only had this slight
>> boiling over in the swirl tank once
>> also i fitted a new temp sender on the engine front and it read about
>> 160 degrees until now its reading 230 degress all the time with only veery
>> small vasriation in reading even when engine is cold
>> any quick ideas on why it would suddenly go wrong ?
>> i would appreciate advice
>>
>> best regards owen cooke
>>
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>>> 1. Re: Good News (for me anyways) (Mike Thomas)
>>> 2. Re: Good News (for me anyways) (Christopher Kimball)
>>> 3. Re: Tech Session (Jeff Detrich)
>>> 4. Re: News from Laurie (Jeff Detrich)
>>> 5. Re: Door cards. (Jeff Detrich)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 10:21:01 -0700
>>> From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>>> To: "'Christopher Kimball'" <chrisvkimball at msn.com>, "'MyCars'"
>>> <mycars at comcast.net>, "'Pantera Owners Club of America'"
>>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Good News (for me anyways)
>>> Message-ID: <002301d1cf05$f29e1ed0$d7da5c70$@comcast.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Yes you do, Chris . . . Well, in one sense at least. Some have said
>>> that
>>> when you and Pandora came together, that you "really bought the farm this
>>> time . . .". So, by that reasoning, selling the farm and selling Pandora
>>> could mean one ant the same. I know that is not in your plans . . .
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Christopher Kimball
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 9:26 PM
>>> To: MyCars <mycars at comcast.net>; Pantera Owners Club of America
>>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Good News (for me anyways)
>>>
>>> Congrats!
>>> I hope I have as much patience to wait for my farm to sell so I can
>>> finish
>>> my car. Oh, wait; I don't have a farm...
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> From: mycars at comcast.net
>>>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 21:01:15 -0700
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Good News (for me anyways)
>>>>
>>>> So I finally got the organic certification for the farm, it has been 2
>>>> years. In the next few weeks I'll be picking & selling a few acres
>>>> worth of avocados to a local distributor.
>>>>
>>>> Now for the Pantera content. Once I get paid for the avocados, I'll be
>>>> able to afford to ship my cars (push button Pantera & convertible
>>>> Corvette) from Seattle to SoCal, some time mid-summer. Two years of
>>>> being separated from my Pantera, I can't wait to tear up some roads.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 12:00:55 -0700
>>> From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
>>> To: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>, 'MyCars'
>>> <mycars at comcast.net>, 'Pantera Owners Club of America'
>>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Good News (for me anyways)
>>> Message-ID: <SNT404-EAS234F076ADB7D765A18CEA74BC2F0 at phx.gbl>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> I hope not, but the thought is starting to cross my mind more
>>> frequently...
>>>
>>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Mike Thomas<mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>>> Sent: ?6/?25/?2016 10:21 AM
>>> To: 'Christopher Kimball'<mailto:chrisvkimball at msn.com>;
>>> 'MyCars'<mailto:mycars at comcast.net>; 'Pantera Owners Club of
>>> America'<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Good News (for me anyways)
>>>
>>> Yes you do, Chris . . . Well, in one sense at least. Some have said
>>> that
>>> when you and Pandora came together, that you "really bought the farm this
>>> time . . .". So, by that reasoning, selling the farm and selling Pandora
>>> could mean one ant the same. I know that is not in your plans . . .
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Christopher Kimball
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 9:26 PM
>>> To: MyCars <mycars at comcast.net>; Pantera Owners Club of America
>>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Good News (for me anyways)
>>>
>>> Congrats!
>>> I hope I have as much patience to wait for my farm to sell so I can
>>> finish
>>> my car. Oh, wait; I don't have a farm...
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> From: mycars at comcast.net
>>>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 21:01:15 -0700
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Good News (for me anyways)
>>>>
>>>> So I finally got the organic certification for the farm, it has been 2
>>>> years. In the next few weeks I'll be picking & selling a few acres
>>>> worth of avocados to a local distributor.
>>>>
>>>> Now for the Pantera content. Once I get paid for the avocados, I'll be
>>>> able to afford to ship my cars (push button Pantera & convertible
>>>> Corvette) from Seattle to SoCal, some time mid-summer. Two years of
>>>> being separated from my Pantera, I can't wait to tear up some roads.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>> I hope not, but the thought is starting to cross my mind more
>>> frequently...
>>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>> From: [1]Mike Thomas
>>> Sent: 6/25/2016 10:21 AM
>>> To: [2]'Christopher Kimball'; [3]'MyCars'; [4]'Pantera Owners Club of
>>> America'
>>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Good News (for me anyways)
>>>
>>> Yes you do, Chris . . . Well, in one sense at least. Some have said
>>> that
>>> when you and Pandora came together, that you "really bought the farm
>>> this
>>> time . . .". So, by that reasoning, selling the farm and selling
>>> Pandora
>>> could mean one ant the same. I know that is not in your plans . . .
>>> Mike
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [[5]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>>> On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Christopher Kimball
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 9:26 PM
>>> To: MyCars <mycars at comcast.net>; Pantera Owners Club of America
>>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Good News (for me anyways)
>>> Congrats!
>>> I hope I have as much patience to wait for my farm to sell so I can
>>> finish
>>> my car. Oh, wait; I don't have a farm...
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> From: mycars at comcast.net
>>>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 21:01:15 -0700
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Good News (for me anyways)
>>>>
>>>> So I finally got the organic certification for the farm, it has been
>>>>
>>> 2
>>>
>>>> years. In the next few weeks I'll be picking & selling a few acres
>>>> worth of avocados to a local distributor.
>>>>
>>>> Now for the Pantera content. Once I get paid for the avocados, I'll
>>>>
>>> be
>>>
>>>> able to afford to ship my cars (push button Pantera & convertible
>>>> Corvette) from Seattle to SoCal, some time mid-summer. Two years of
>>>> being separated from my Pantera, I can't wait to tear up some roads.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not
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>>> 4. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> 5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 16:28:03 -0500
>>> From: Jeff Detrich <jjd1010 at aol.com>
>>> To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tech Session
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <
>>> CANX29aXWxuuXTtgqk5vy9D4cV-a1K5bf58tketHtz+EcpyPhNA at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Hey, Hey it works!
>>>
>>> Glad to be back. Couldn't be;ieve how much I missed everyone.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> 6559
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 6:52 PM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Jeff,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm. I am a computer dope. Try an email to :
>>>> [1]deTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You might also try to Google
>>>> Detomasolist.com, which might have the sign up info. Also,
>>>> since
>>>> you were on the old forum, Kurt may have already added you to the
>>>> new
>>>> forum with all the rest of the POCA reprobates. You might just try
>>>> sending an email...... I hope that helps.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Warmest
>>>> regards,
>>>> Chuck Engles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: JJD1010 at aol.com [mailto:JJD1010 at aol.com]
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 5:35 PM
>>>> To: cengles at cox.net
>>>> Subject: Re: Tech Session
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Where do I find the new old forum?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 6/22/2016 5:35:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>>>> [2]cengles at cox.net writes:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Jeff,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I sent the attachment for the total of, IIRC,
>>>> $111.33 to Mike DiTucci. I will try to find the pdf and sent it to
>>>> you
>>>> directly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the Old Forum is back despite threats of lawsuit
>>>> by
>>>> Mr. Michael Dog-in-the-Manger Shortt. The New Old Forum is good.
>>>> Mr.
>>>> Shortt is suffering from mental illness.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> rom: [3]JJD1010 at aol.com [[4]mailto:JJD1010 at aol.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 3:31 PM
>>>> To: [5]cengles at cox.net
>>>> Subject: Tech Session
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chuck,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry I missed tech session. Do you have any expenses you want to be
>>>> reimbursed for?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PS: Did the email forum ever get going again? I sure miss it!
>>>>
>>>> References
>>>>
>>>> 1. mailto:deTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> 2. mailto:cengles at cox.net
>>>> 3. mailto:JJD1010 at aol.com
>>>> 4. mailto:JJD1010 at aol.com
>>>> 5. mailto:cengles at cox.net
>>>>
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>>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>> Hey, Hey it works!
>>> Glad to be back. Couldn't be;ieve how much I missed everyone.
>>> Jeff
>>> 6559
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 6:52 PM, Charles Engles <[1]cengles at cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> A A Dear Jeff,
>>> A A A A A A A A A A A Hmmm.A A I am a computer dope.A
>>> Try an email to :
>>> A A [1][2]deTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A You might
>>> also try to Google
>>> A A Detomasolist.com,A A which might have the sign up info.A A
>>> Also,A since
>>> A A you were on the old forum, Kurt may have already added you to
>>> the new
>>> A A forum with all the rest of the POCA reprobates.A A You might
>>> just try
>>> A A sending an email......A A A I hope that helps.
>>> A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
>>> A A A A A A Warmest regards,
>>> A A Chuck Engles
>>> A A From: [3]JJD1010 at aol.com [mailto:[4]JJD1010 at aol.com]
>>> A A Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 5:35 PM
>>> A A To: [5]cengles at cox.net
>>> A A Subject: Re: Tech Session
>>> A A Where do I find the new old forum?
>>> A A In a message dated 6/22/2016 5:35:53 P.M. Central Daylight
>>> Time,
>>> A A [2][6]cengles at cox.net writes:
>>> A A Dear Jeff,
>>> A A A A A A A A A Yes, I sent the attachment for the total
>>> of, IIRC,
>>> A A $111.33 to Mike DiTucci.A I will try to find the pdf and sent
>>> it to you
>>> A A directly.
>>> A A A A A A A A A Yes, the Old Forum is back despite
>>> threats
>>> of lawsuit by
>>> A A Mr. Michael Dog-in-the-Manger Shortt.A The New Old Forum is
>>> good.A A Mr.
>>> A A Shortt is suffering from mental illness.
>>> A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Warmest regards,A
>>> Chuck Engles
>>> A A rom: [3][7]JJD1010 at aol.com [[4]mailto:[8]JJD1010 at aol.com]
>>> A A Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 3:31 PM
>>> A A To: [5][9]cengles at cox.net
>>> A A Subject: Tech Session
>>> A A Chuck,
>>> A A Sorry I missed tech session. Do you have any expenses you want
>>> to be
>>> A A reimbursed for?
>>> A A Jeff
>>> A A PS: Did the email forum ever get going again? I sure miss it!
>>> References
>>> A A 1. mailto:[10]deTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> A A 2. mailto:[11]cengles at cox.net
>>> A A 3. mailto:[12]JJD1010 at aol.com
>>> A A 4. mailto:[13]JJD1010 at aol.com
>>> A A 5. mailto:[14]cengles at cox.net
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>>> 2. mailto:deTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> 3. mailto:JJD1010 at aol.com
>>> 4. mailto:JJD1010 at aol.com
>>> 5. mailto:cengles at cox.net
>>> 6. mailto:cengles at cox.net
>>> 7. mailto:JJD1010 at aol.com
>>> 8. mailto:JJD1010 at aol.com
>>> 9. mailto:cengles at cox.net
>>> 10. mailto:deTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> 11. mailto:cengles at cox.net
>>> 12. mailto:JJD1010 at aol.com
>>> 13. mailto:JJD1010 at aol.com
>>> 14. mailto:cengles at cox.net
>>> 15. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> 16. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 16:38:14 -0500
>>> From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>>> To: laurieferrari at aol.com
>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] News from Laurie
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Interesting. 2 years ago, when preparing some things for publication for
>>> the Lone Star Fun Rally in Houston, we found their prices to be 50%
>>> higher
>>> than what we got locally. This was reported to the Board with the
>>> recommendation that they might want to look at getting some bides for the
>>> magazine and newsletter. Not surprisingly, it was ignored.
>>>
>>> So on to bigger and better things; Laurie, congratulations and thanks for
>>> taking on the project. I hope we all step up and give you plenty of
>>> material for the magazine.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> 6559
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 3:58 AM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <
>>> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Get ready! I am delighted to serve as the Interim Profiles Editor in
>>>> light of Mike Haney's resignation. I am gearing up for interviews
>>>> with new members, long time members, obtaining details of special
>>>> cars
>>>> personalities, projects, compiling auction and sales information,
>>>> networking with people of interest, and calling on all Chapter
>>>> Presidents for highlights of your news for a new Chapter Report
>>>> Section
>>>> of Profiles.
>>>> I regret that there has been unrest in the club of late and I aim
>>>> to be
>>>> positive and do my utmost to maintain professionalism. I know
>>>> that decisions for the betterment of POCA have recently been
>>>> entertained by the Board. One such issue is the choice of printer.
>>>> Facts have been provided showing that we were offered an $8,000.
>>>> yearly
>>>> savings for an improved product from a new printer. For whatever
>>>> reasoning, Jack DeRyke found this so unacceptable that he resigned
>>>> even
>>>> though urged not to do so. This is hard to fathom as it would seem
>>>> that one's dedication to the Club for so many years would supersede
>>>> personal interests, most especially when the majority of the Board
>>>> has
>>>> voted to try the new printer. This is unfortunate but decisions need
>>>> to be made democratically and for the betterment of the entire
>>>> membership. We have a great club made up of incredible people and
>>>> a bright future ahead with our growing numbers and the many new
>>>> benefits we are seeing.
>>>> I encourage you to be congenial and please contact me with your
>>>> stories, experiences, upgrades, repairs, restorations, pictures; no
>>>> information is too little. Let's all contribute to a fabulous
>>>> Profiles
>>>> issue for the last one of this year. You will find my contact
>>>> information on the membership information page.
>>>> My warmest greetings to everyone!
>>>> Laurie
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> Interesting. 2 years ago, when preparing some things for publication
>>> for the Lone Star Fun Rally in Houston, we found their prices to be
>>> 50%
>>> higher than what we got locally. This was reported to the Board with
>>> the recommendation that they might want to look at getting some bides
>>> for the magazine and newsletter. Not surprisingly, it was ignored.
>>> So on to bigger and better things; Laurie, congratulations and thanks
>>> for taking on the project. I hope we all step up and give you plenty
>>> of
>>> material for the magazine.
>>> Jeff
>>> 6559
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 3:58 AM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
>>> <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> A A Get ready! I am delighted to serve as the Interim Profiles
>>> Editor in
>>> A A light of Mike Haney's resignation. I am gearing up for
>>> interviews
>>> A A with new members, long time members, obtaining details of
>>> special cars
>>> A A personalities, projects, compiling auction and sales
>>> information,
>>> A A networking with people of interest, and calling on all Chapter
>>> A A Presidents for highlights of your news for a new Chapter
>>> Report
>>> Section
>>> A A of Profiles.
>>> A A I regret that there has been unrest in the club of late and I
>>> aim to be
>>> A A positive and do my utmost to maintain professionalism.A I
>>> know
>>> A A that decisions for the betterment of POCA have recently been
>>> A A entertained by the Board. One such issue is the choice of
>>> printer.
>>> A A Facts have been provided showing that we were offered an
>>> $8,000. yearly
>>> A A savings for an improved product from a new printer. For
>>> whatever
>>> A A reasoning, Jack DeRyke found this so unacceptable that he
>>> resigned even
>>> A A though urged not to do so. This is hard to fathom as it would
>>> seem
>>> A A that one's dedication to the Club for so many years would
>>> supersede
>>> A A personal interests, most especially when the majority of the
>>> Board has
>>> A A voted to try the new printer. This is unfortunate but
>>> decisions
>>> need
>>> A A to be made democratically and for the betterment of the entire
>>> A A membership. We have a great club made up of incredible people
>>> and
>>> A A a bright future ahead with our growing numbers and the many
>>> new
>>> A A benefits we are seeing.
>>> A A I encourage you to be congenial and please contact me with
>>> your
>>> A A stories, experiences, upgrades, repairs, restorations,
>>> pictures; no
>>> A A information is too little.A Let's all contribute to a
>>> fabulous
>>> Profiles
>>> A A issue for the last one of this year. You will find my contact
>>> A A information on the membership information page.
>>> A A My warmest greetings to everyone!
>>> A A Laurie
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>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 17:27:44 -0500
>>> From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>>> To: John McKee <johnmckee at cox.net>
>>> Cc: Detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Door cards.
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <CANX29aWfrb0FSa-SSpx=
>>> TaWL2Z_U2OfOtZj6xj7D3Et2UiQyzA at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> I use a thin and waterproof sound blocking/dampening material from
>>> Cascade
>>> Audio, VB-2HD, which is ideally suited for a vapor barrier on a car door.
>>> It has an adhesive backing that holds the material to the door.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.cascadeaudio.com/automotive_audio_enhancement/dampers_for_cars.htm
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 11:01 AM, John McKee <johnmckee at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Michael,
>>>> I plan to use this product to replace the door plastic.
>>>> Thermo-Tec Super Sonic Mats
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.thermotec.com/products/14700-super-sonic-acoustical-mat.html
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Michael Barnes
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 10:14 AM
>>>> To: Detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Door cards.
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,just fitted a pair of new door mirrors and was in the process of
>>>> refitting the door cards when I remembered a piece of advice a friends
>>>> dad
>>>> gave me forty years ago ( yeah I know) " don't put the plastic back on
>>>> the
>>>> door behind the card as it causes condensation and inevitably corrosion"
>>>> What do you guys think, leave the plastic on or bin it?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any input
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> I use a thin and waterproof sound blocking/dampening material from
>>> Cascade Audio, VB-2HD, which is ideally suited for a vapor barrier
>>> on a
>>> car door. It has an adhesive backing that holds the material to the
>>> door.
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]http://www.cascadeaudio.com/automotive_audio_enhancement/dampers_for
>>> _cars.htm
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 11:01 AM, John McKee <[2]johnmckee at cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Michael,
>>> I plan to use this product to replace the door plastic.
>>> Thermo-Tec Super Sonic Mats
>>>
>>> [3]http://www.thermotec.com/products/14700-super-sonic-acoustical-ma
>>> t.html
>>> John
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[4]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>>> ]
>>> On Behalf
>>>
>>> Of Michael Barnes
>>> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 10:14 AM
>>> To: Detomaso <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Door cards.
>>> Hi all,just fitted a pair of new door mirrors and was in the process
>>> of
>>> refitting the door cards when I remembered a piece of advice a
>>> friends
>>> dad
>>> gave me forty years ago ( yeah I know) " don't put the plastic back
>>> on
>>> the
>>> door behind the card as it causes condensation and inevitably
>>> corrosion"
>>> What do you guys think, leave the plastic on or bin it?
>>> Thanks for any input
>>> Michael
>>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> 2. mailto:johnmckee at cox.net
>>> 3.
>>> http://www.thermotec.com/products/14700-super-sonic-acoustical-mat.html
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 16:27:10 +1200
>>> From: John Bennett <jbennett111 at zoho.com>
>>> To: "DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
>>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join
>>> Message-ID: <E1A0B9E8-2028-4E34-B593-A1B84CBBD797 at zoho.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>>> Great membership now only $50!
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>> From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
>>>> Subject: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join
>>>> Date: 26 June 2016 at 16:25:26 NZST
>>>> To: San Diego Panteras <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>, Space City
>>>> Panteras <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com>
>>>>
>>>> Please spread the word!
>>>>
>>>> We have created an easy to remember, simple web address for people to
>>>> sign up online.
>>>>
>>>> Simply go to
>>>>
>>>> www.poca.com/join <http://www.poca.com/join>
>>>>
>>>> to have people sign up.
>>>>
>>>> You can sign up people on your smart phone at car shows, events, etc.
>>>>
>>>> In addition, you can now choose the International option; no matter
>>>> where you live, and receive a full POCA membership for $50.00 instead of
>>>> $75.00. What this option gives you is to receive "Digital only" Newsletters
>>>> and Profiles in full color pdf format.
>>>>
>>>> Note: If they want posted hardcopies then they would choose the
>>>> Domestic option for the standard $75.00,
>>>>
>>>> Don?t forget we have the 3 5 1 program, they more members you get
>>>> benefits the club and yourself. Details here:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896&module_id=225364
>>>> <
>>>> https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896&module_id=225364
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Ed Mendez
>>>>
>>>> PR Director - POCA
>>>>
>>>> www.poca.com <http://www.poca.com/>
>>>>
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>>> Great membership now only $50!
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: Ed Mendez <[1]edducati at mac.com>
>>>
>>> Subject: [SDP] New JOIN url for [2]www.poca.com/join
>>>
>>> Date: 26 June 2016 at 16:25:26 NZST
>>>
>>> To: San Diego Panteras <[3]sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>, Space City
>>> Panteras <[4]SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com>
>>>
>>> Please spread the word!
>>> We have created an easy to remember, simple web address for people to
>>> sign up online.
>>> Simply go to
>>> [5]www.poca.com/join
>>> to have people sign up.
>>> You can sign up people on your smart phone at car shows, events, etc.
>>> In addition, you can now choose the International option; no matter
>>> where you live, and receive a full POCA membership for $50.00 instead
>>> of $75.00. What this option gives you is to receive "Digital only"
>>> Newsletters and Profiles in full color pdf format.
>>> Note: If they want posted hardcopies then they would choose the
>>> Domestic option for the standard $75.00,
>>> Don't forget we have the 3 5 1 program, they more members you get
>>> benefits the club and yourself. Details here:
>>>
>>>
>>> [6]https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896&
>>> module_id=225364
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ed Mendez
>>> PR Director - POCA
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>>> 5. http://www.poca.com/join
>>> 6.
>>> https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896&module_id=225364
>>> 7. http://www.poca.com/
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>>> ------------------------------
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>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 12:53:56 +0100
>>> From: Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>
>>> To: Detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Rear calliper rebuild kit for a '74
>>> Message-ID: <DUB410-EAS13656BB193887FECF9AB87388200 at phx.gbl>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Has anyone got a contact in the U.K. Who can supply these please?
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 21:04:47 +0900
>>> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>>> To: Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>
>>> Cc: Detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear calliper rebuild kit for a '74
>>> Message-ID: <5893C485-999A-4670-80E0-91DEB98DDA49 at aol.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> Here you go: http://performance-braking.co.uk/
>>>
>>> Run by a guy named Jonathan Freeth, who was the head of Girling racing
>>> division when Girling went belly-up. He bought all the inventory,
>>> blueprints and tooling and continues to service all Girling products, and
>>> can even provide new castings for some models.
>>>
>>> He probably offers a rebuild service too.
>>>
>>> If you do it yourself be sure to read the manual before you pick up
>>> spanner one, and know exactly what needs to be done in order to compress
>>> the piston. Get it wrong and you will destroy the parking brake function.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 20:53, Michael Barnes <
>>>> michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone got a contact in the U.K. Who can supply these please?
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> Here you go: [1]http://performance-braking.co.uk/
>>>
>>> Run by a guy named Jonathan Freeth, who was the head of Girling
>>> racing
>>> division when Girling went belly-up. He bought all the inventory,
>>> blueprints and tooling and continues to service all Girling products,
>>> and can even provide new castings for some models.
>>>
>>> He probably offers a rebuild service too.
>>>
>>> If you do it yourself be sure to read the manual before you pick up
>>> spanner one, and know exactly what needs to be done in order to
>>> compress the piston. Get it wrong and you will destroy the parking
>>> brake function.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 20:53, Michael Barnes
>>> <[2]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Has anyone got a contact in the U.K. Who can supply these please?
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> Michael
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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>>> ------------------------------
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>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 08:35:08 -0400
>>> From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
>>> To: "'DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com'"
>>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> Cc: 'Ed Mendez' <edducati at mac.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join
>>> Message-ID: <000601d1cfa7$2d767100$88635300$@com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Is the international option discussed/mentioned on the POCA web site?
>>> If one opts for the international, will hard copies be available to
>>> purchase in case there is one desired?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>>> Behalf Of John Bennett
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 0:27 AM
>>> To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join
>>>
>>> Great membership now only $50!
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>> From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
>>>> Subject: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join
>>>> Date: 26 June 2016 at 16:25:26 NZST
>>>> To: San Diego Panteras <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>, Space City
>>>> Panteras <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com>
>>>>
>>>> Please spread the word!
>>>>
>>>> We have created an easy to remember, simple web address for people to
>>>> sign up online.
>>>>
>>>> Simply go to
>>>>
>>>> www.poca.com/join <http://www.poca.com/join>
>>>>
>>>> to have people sign up.
>>>>
>>>> You can sign up people on your smart phone at car shows, events, etc.
>>>>
>>>> In addition, you can now choose the International option; no matter
>>>> where you live, and receive a full POCA membership for $50.00 instead of
>>>> $75.00. What this option gives you is to receive "Digital only" Newsletters
>>>> and Profiles in full color pdf format.
>>>>
>>>> Note: If they want posted hardcopies then they would choose the
>>>> Domestic option for the standard $75.00,
>>>>
>>>> Don?t forget we have the 3 5 1 program, they more members you get
>>>> benefits the club and yourself. Details here:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896&module_id=225364
>>>> <
>>>> https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896&module_id=225364
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Ed Mendez
>>>>
>>>> PR Director - POCA
>>>>
>>>> www.poca.com <http://www.poca.com/>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>
>>>
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IMHO, do not cut the hood.
Try some simple things first.A A Consider a new thermostat, but take
precautions that you buy a correct Cleveland rather than the more
common Windsor.
It is possible the old radiator may be to blame.A A If there are good
radiator shops nearby, then you could pull the radiator and have them
tank it and clean it up and pressure test it.A That may be all it
needs.
If the overheating persists, then new fans might be helpful.A A The
other option would be to buy a new radiator and fans from one of the
vendors.
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Warmest regards,A Chuck
Engles
Owen, Chuck has good advice. If you live in generally cool climes, you
don't really need an expensive set up. Besides the other things
everyone suggested in reply, the only thing you might need/want are
SPAL pusher fans. That way you will keep the stock appearance of your
car. Aftermarket aluminum radiators pretty much all have to lay down,
some more than others.
Jeff
6559
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:29 AM, <[1]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
Dear Owen,
A A A A A A A A A IMHO, do not cut the hood.
A A A A A A A A A Try some simple things first.A A Consider
a new thermostat, but take precautions that you buy a correct
Cleveland rather than the more common Windsor.
A A A A A A A A A It is possible the old radiator may be to
blame.A A If there are good radiator shops nearby, then you could
pull the radiator and have them tank it and clean it up and pressure
test it.A That may be all it needs.
A A A A A A A A A If the overheating persists, then new fans
might be helpful.A A The other option would be to buy a new
radiator and fans from one of the vendors.
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Warmest regards,A
Chuck Engles
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Owen Cooke wrote:
GuysA i need advice please
I have a nice original 1972 pre L pantera
i have some cooling problems in trafficA even though i am in
Ireland and its never very hot here
rad and fans are original. with no vents in front hood
i notice that the hood got extremely hot and i got some boiling over
the fans were working but they are the originals and not very
powerful
i am considering putting vents in the hood and fitting a new rad and
fans kit assembly (PPC Fluidyne rad ) from pantera parts
this the one with puller fansA but i want to keep it upright
does this plan make sense
i dont need a massive improvement in cooling - i only had this
slight boiling over in the swirl tank once
also i fitted a new temp sender on the engine frontA and it read
about 160 degreesA until now its reading 230 degress all the time
with only veery small vasriation in readingA even when engine is
cold
any quick ideas on why it would suddenly go wrong ?
i would appreciate advice
best regardsA owen cooke
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 10:21:01 -0700
From: "Mike Thomas" <[9]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
To: "'Christopher Kimball'" <[10]chrisvkimball at msn.com>, "'MyCars'"
A A A A <[11]mycars at comcast.net>, "'Pantera Owners Club of
America'"
A A A A <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Good News (for me anyways)
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Yes you do, Chris . . .A Well, in one sense at least.A Some have
said that
when you and Pandora came together, that you "really bought the farm
this
time . . .".A So, by that reasoning, selling the farm and selling
Pandora
could mean one ant the same.A I know that is not in your plans . .
.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[14]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
Of Christopher Kimball
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 9:26 PM
To: MyCars <[15]mycars at comcast.net>; Pantera Owners Club of America
<[16]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Good News (for me anyways)
Congrats!
I hope I have as much patience to wait for my farm to sell so I can
finish
my car.A Oh, wait; I don't have a farm...
Sincerely,
Chris
To: [17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
From: [18]mycars at comcast.net
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 21:01:15 -0700
Subject: [DeTomaso] Good News (for me anyways)
So I finally got the organic certification for the farm, it has been
2
years. In the next few weeks I'll be picking & selling a few acres
worth of avocados to a local distributor.
Now for the Pantera content. Once I get paid for the avocados, I'll
be
able to afford to ship my cars (push button Pantera & convertible
Corvette) from Seattle to SoCal, some time mid-summer. Two years of
being separated from my Pantera, I can't wait to tear up some roads.
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Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 12:00:55 -0700
From: Christopher Kimball <[21]chrisvkimball at msn.com>
To: Mike Thomas <[22]mbefthomas at comcast.net>, 'MyCars'
A A A A <[23]mycars at comcast.net>, 'Pantera Owners Club of
America'
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I hope not, but the thought is starting to cross my mind more
frequently...
Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Mike Thomas<mailto:[25]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
Sent: ?6/?25/?2016 10:21 AM
To: 'Christopher Kimball'<mailto:[26]chrisvkimball at msn.com>;
'MyCars'<mailto:[27]mycars at comcast.net>; 'Pantera Owners Club of
America'<mailto:[28]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Good News (for me anyways)
Yes you do, Chris . . .A Well, in one sense at least.A Some have
said that
when you and Pandora came together, that you "really bought the farm
this
time . . .".A So, by that reasoning, selling the farm and selling
Pandora
could mean one ant the same.A I know that is not in your plans . .
.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[29]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
Of Christopher Kimball
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 9:26 PM
To: MyCars <[30]mycars at comcast.net>; Pantera Owners Club of America
<[31]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Good News (for me anyways)
Congrats!
I hope I have as much patience to wait for my farm to sell so I can
finish
my car.A Oh, wait; I don't have a farm...
Sincerely,
Chris
To: [32]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
From: [33]mycars at comcast.net
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 21:01:15 -0700
Subject: [DeTomaso] Good News (for me anyways)
So I finally got the organic certification for the farm, it has been
2
years. In the next few weeks I'll be picking & selling a few acres
worth of avocados to a local distributor.
Now for the Pantera content. Once I get paid for the avocados, I'll
be
able to afford to ship my cars (push button Pantera & convertible
Corvette) from Seattle to SoCal, some time mid-summer. Two years of
being separated from my Pantera, I can't wait to tear up some roads.
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A A I hope not, but the thought is starting to cross my mind more
A A frequently...
A A Sent from my Windows Phone
__________________________________________________________________
A A From: [1]Mike Thomas
A A Sent: 6/25/2016 10:21 AM
A A To: [2]'Christopher Kimball'; [3]'MyCars'; [4]'Pantera Owners
Club of
A A America'
A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Good News (for me anyways)
A A Yes you do, Chris . . .A Well, in one sense at least.A Some
have said
A A that
A A when you and Pandora came together, that you "really bought
the farm
A A this
A A time . . .".A So, by that reasoning, selling the farm and
selling
A A Pandora
A A could mean one ant the same.A I know that is not in your
plans . . .
A A Mike
A A -----Original Message-----
A A From: DeTomaso
[[5]mailto:[36]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
A A Behalf
A A Of Christopher Kimball
A A Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 9:26 PM
A A To: MyCars <[37]mycars at comcast.net>; Pantera Owners Club of
America
A A <[38]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Good News (for me anyways)
A A Congrats!
A A I hope I have as much patience to wait for my farm to sell so
I can
A A finish
A A my car.A Oh, wait; I don't have a farm...
A A Sincerely,
A A Chris
To: [39]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
From: [40]mycars at comcast.net
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 21:01:15 -0700
Subject: [DeTomaso] Good News (for me anyways)
So I finally got the organic certification for the farm, it has been
A A 2
years. In the next few weeks I'll be picking & selling a few acres
worth of avocados to a local distributor.
Now for the Pantera content. Once I get paid for the avocados, I'll
A A be
able to afford to ship my cars (push button Pantera & convertible
Corvette) from Seattle to SoCal, some time mid-summer. Two years of
being separated from my Pantera, I can't wait to tear up some roads.
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Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 16:28:03 -0500
From: Jeff Detrich <[49]jjd1010 at aol.com>
To: Charles Engles <[50]cengles at cox.net>
Cc: [51]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tech Session
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Hey, Hey it works!
Glad to be back. Couldn't be;ieve how much I missed everyone.
Jeff
6559
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 6:52 PM, Charles Engles
<[53]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
A A Dear Jeff,
A A A A A A A A A A A A Hmmm.A A I am a computer dope.A
Try an email to :
A A [1][54]deTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A You might
also try to Google
A A Detomasolist.com,A A which might have the sign up info.A A
Also, since
A A you were on the old forum, Kurt may have already added you to
the new
A A forum with all the rest of the POCA reprobates.A A You might
just try
A A sending an email......A A A I hope that helps.
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
A A A A A A Warmest regards,
A A Chuck Engles
A A From: [55]JJD1010 at aol.com [mailto:[56]JJD1010 at aol.com]
A A Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 5:35 PM
A A To: [57]cengles at cox.net
A A Subject: Re: Tech Session
A A Where do I find the new old forum?
A A In a message dated 6/22/2016 5:35:53 P.M. Central Daylight
Time,
A A [2][58]cengles at cox.net writes:
A A Dear Jeff,
A A A A A A A A A Yes, I sent the attachment for the total
of, IIRC,
A A $111.33 to Mike DiTucci.A I will try to find the pdf and sent
it to you
A A directly.
A A A A A A A A A Yes, the Old Forum is back despite
threats of lawsuit by
A A Mr. Michael Dog-in-the-Manger Shortt.A The New Old Forum is
good.A A Mr.
A A Shortt is suffering from mental illness.
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Warmest regards,A
Chuck Engles
A A rom: [3][59]JJD1010 at aol.com [[4]mailto:[60]JJD1010 at aol.com]
A A Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 3:31 PM
A A To: [5][61]cengles at cox.net
A A Subject: Tech Session
A A Chuck,
A A Sorry I missed tech session. Do you have any expenses you want
to be
A A reimbursed for?
A A Jeff
A A PS: Did the email forum ever get going again? I sure miss it!
References
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A A 2. mailto:[63]cengles at cox.net
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A A Hey, Hey it works!
A A Glad to be back. Couldn't be;ieve how much I missed everyone.
A A Jeff
A A 6559
A A On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 6:52 PM, Charles Engles
<[1][69]cengles at cox.net>
A A wrote:
A A A AA A Dear Jeff,
A A A AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA Hmmm.AA A I am
a computer dope.A
A A A Try an email to :
A A A AA A [1][2][70]deTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A A AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA
AA AA AA AA You might
A A A also try to Google
A A A AA A Detomasolist.com,AA A which might have the sign up
info.A A
A A A Also,AA since
A A A AA A you were on the old forum, Kurt may have already
added you to
A A A the new
A A A AA A forum with all the rest of the POCA reprobates.AA A
You might
A A A just try
A A A AA A sending an email......AA AA AA I hope that helps.
A A A AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA
AA AA AA AA AA A A A
A A A AA AA AA AA AA A Warmest regards,
A A A AA A Chuck Engles
A A A AA A From: [3][71]JJD1010 at aol.com
[mailto:[4][72]JJD1010 at aol.com]
A A A AA A Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 5:35 PM
A A A AA A To: [5][73]cengles at cox.net
A A A AA A Subject: Re: Tech Session
A A A AA A Where do I find the new old forum?
A A A AA A In a message dated 6/22/2016 5:35:53 P.M. Central
Daylight
A A A Time,
A A A AA A [2][6][74]cengles at cox.net writes:
A A A AA A Dear Jeff,
A A A AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA A Yes, I sent the
attachment for the total
A A A of, IIRC,
A A A AA A $111.33 to Mike DiTucci.AA I will try to find the
pdf and sent
A A A it to you
A A A AA A directly.
A A A AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA A Yes, the Old Forum is
back despite threats
A A A of lawsuit by
A A A AA A Mr. Michael Dog-in-the-Manger Shortt.AA The New Old
Forum is
A A A good.AA A Mr.
A A A AA A Shortt is suffering from mental illness.
A A A AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA
Warmest regards,A
A A A Chuck Engles
A A A AA A rom: [3][7][75]JJD1010 at aol.com
[[4]mailto:[8][76]JJD1010 at aol.com]
A A A AA A Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 3:31 PM
A A A AA A To: [5][9][77]cengles at cox.net
A A A AA A Subject: Tech Session
A A A AA A Chuck,
A A A AA A Sorry I missed tech session. Do you have any expenses
you want
A A A to be
A A A AA A reimbursed for?
A A A AA A Jeff
A A A AA A PS: Did the email forum ever get going again? I sure
miss it!
A A A References
A A A AA A 1. mailto:[10][78]deTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A A AA A 2. mailto:[11][79]cengles at cox.net
A A A AA A 3. mailto:[12][80]JJD1010 at aol.com
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Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 16:38:14 -0500
From: Jeff Detrich <[101]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
To: [102]laurieferrari at aol.com
Cc: [103]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] News from Laurie
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Interesting. 2 years ago, when preparing some things for publication
for
the Lone Star Fun Rally in Houston, we found their prices to be 50%
higher
than what we got locally. This was reported to the Board with the
recommendation that they might want to look at getting some bides
for the
magazine and newsletter. Not surprisingly, it was ignored.
So on to bigger and better things; Laurie, congratulations and
thanks for
taking on the project. I hope we all step up and give you plenty of
material for the magazine.
Jeff
6559
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 3:58 AM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <
[105]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A Get ready! I am delighted to serve as the Interim Profiles
Editor in
A A light of Mike Haney's resignation. I am gearing up for
interviews
A A with new members, long time members, obtaining details of
special cars
A A personalities, projects, compiling auction and sales
information,
A A networking with people of interest, and calling on all Chapter
A A Presidents for highlights of your news for a new Chapter
Report Section
A A of Profiles.
A A I regret that there has been unrest in the club of late and I
aim to be
A A positive and do my utmost to maintain professionalism.A I
know
A A that decisions for the betterment of POCA have recently been
A A entertained by the Board. One such issue is the choice of
printer.
A A Facts have been provided showing that we were offered an
$8,000. yearly
A A savings for an improved product from a new printer. For
whatever
A A reasoning, Jack DeRyke found this so unacceptable that he
resigned even
A A though urged not to do so. This is hard to fathom as it would
seem
A A that one's dedication to the Club for so many years would
supersede
A A personal interests, most especially when the majority of the
Board has
A A voted to try the new printer. This is unfortunate but
decisions need
A A to be made democratically and for the betterment of the entire
A A membership. We have a great club made up of incredible people
and
A A a bright future ahead with our growing numbers and the many
new
A A benefits we are seeing.
A A I encourage you to be congenial and please contact me with
your
A A stories, experiences, upgrades, repairs, restorations,
pictures; no
A A information is too little.A Let's all contribute to a
fabulous Profiles
A A issue for the last one of this year. You will find my contact
A A information on the membership information page.
A A My warmest greetings to everyone!
A A Laurie
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A A Interesting. 2 years ago, when preparing some things for
publication
A A for the Lone Star Fun Rally in Houston, we found their prices
to be 50%
A A higher than what we got locally. This was reported to the
Board with
A A the recommendation that they might want to look at getting
some bides
A A for the magazine and newsletter. Not surprisingly, it was
ignored.
A A So on to bigger and better things; Laurie, congratulations and
thanks
A A for taking on the project. I hope we all step up and give you
plenty of
A A material for the magazine.
A A Jeff
A A 6559
A A On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 3:58 AM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
A A <[1][108]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A A AA A Get ready! I am delighted to serve as the Interim
Profiles
A A A Editor in
A A A AA A light of Mike Haney's resignation. I am gearing up
for
A A A interviews
A A A AA A with new members, long time members, obtaining
details of
A A A special cars
A A A AA A personalities, projects, compiling auction and sales
A A A information,
A A A AA A networking with people of interest, and calling on
all Chapter
A A A AA A Presidents for highlights of your news for a new
Chapter Report
A A A Section
A A A AA A of Profiles.
A A A AA A I regret that there has been unrest in the club of
late and I
A A A aim to be
A A A AA A positive and do my utmost to maintain
professionalism.AA I know
A A A AA A that decisions for the betterment of POCA have
recently been
A A A AA A entertained by the Board. One such issue is the
choice of
A A A printer.
A A A AA A Facts have been provided showing that we were offered
an
A A A $8,000. yearly
A A A AA A savings for an improved product from a new printer.
For
A A A whatever
A A A AA A reasoning, Jack DeRyke found this so unacceptable
that he
A A A resigned even
A A A AA A though urged not to do so. This is hard to fathom as
it would
A A A seem
A A A AA A that one's dedication to the Club for so many years
would
A A A supersede
A A A AA A personal interests, most especially when the majority
of the
A A A Board has
A A A AA A voted to try the new printer. This is unfortunate but
decisions
A A A need
A A A AA A to be made democratically and for the betterment of
the entire
A A A AA A membership. We have a great club made up of
incredible people
A A A and
A A A AA A a bright future ahead with our growing numbers and
the many new
A A A AA A benefits we are seeing.
A A A AA A I encourage you to be congenial and please contact me
with your
A A A AA A stories, experiences, upgrades, repairs,
restorations,
A A A pictures; no
A A A AA A information is too little.AA Let's all contribute to
a fabulous
A A A Profiles
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Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 17:27:44 -0500
From: Jeff Detrich <[114]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
To: John McKee <[115]johnmckee at cox.net>
Cc: Detomaso <[116]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Door cards.
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I use a thin and waterproof sound blocking/dampening material from
Cascade
Audio, VB-2HD, which is ideally suited for a vapor barrier on a car
door.
It has an adhesive backing that holds the material to the door.
[118]http://www.cascadeaudio.com/automotive_audio_enhancement/damper
s_for_cars.htm
Jeff
On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 11:01 AM, John McKee
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Michael,
I plan to use this product to replace the door plastic.
Thermo-Tec Super Sonic Mats
[120]http://www.thermotec.com/products/14700-super-sonic-acoustical-
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Door cards.
Hi all,just fitted a pair of new door mirrors and was in the process
of
refitting the door cards when I remembered a piece of advice a
friends dad
gave me forty years ago ( yeah I know) " don't put the plastic back
on the
door behind the card as it causes condensation and inevitably
corrosion"
What do you guys think, leave the plastic on or bin it?
Thanks for any input
Michael
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A A I use a thin and waterproof sound blocking/dampening material
from
A A Cascade Audio, VB-2HD, which is ideally suited for a vapor
barrier on a
A A car door. It has an adhesive backing that holds the material
to the
A A door.
[1][127]http://www.cascadeaudio.com/automotive_audio_enhancement/dam
pers_for
A A _cars.htm
A A Jeff
A A On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 11:01 AM, John McKee
<[2][128]johnmckee at cox.net>
A A wrote:
A A A Michael,
A A A I plan to use this product to replace the door plastic.
A A A Thermo-Tec Super Sonic Mats
[3][129]http://www.thermotec.com/products/14700-super-sonic-acoustic
al-ma
A A A t.html
A A A John
A A A -----Original Message-----
A A A From: DeTomaso
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A A A On Behalf
A A Of Michael Barnes
A A Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 10:14 AM
A A To: Detomaso <[5][131]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Door cards.
A A Hi all,just fitted a pair of new door mirrors and was in the
process of
A A refitting the door cards when I remembered a piece of advice a
friends
A A dad
A A gave me forty years ago ( yeah I know) " don't put the plastic
back on
A A the
A A door behind the card as it causes condensation and inevitably
A A corrosion"
A A What do you guys think, leave the plastic on or bin it?
A A Thanks for any input
A A Michael
A A Sent from my iPad
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Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 16:27:10 +1200
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A A Great membership now only $50!
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A A Subject: [SDP] New JOIN url for [2][167]www.poca.com/join
A A Date: 26 June 2016 at 16:25:26 NZST
A A To: San Diego Panteras <[3][168]sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>,
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A A Panteras <[4][169]SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com>
A A Please spread the word!
A A We have created an easy to remember, simple web address for
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A A sign up online.
A A Simply go to
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A A In addition, you can now choose the International option; no
matter
A A where you live, and receive a full POCA membership for $50.00
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A A of $75.00. What this option gives you is to receive "Digital
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A A Newsletters and Profiles in full color pdf format.
A A Note: If they want posted hardcopies then they would choose
the
A A Domestic option for the standard $75.00,
A A Don't forget we have the 3 5 1 program, they more members you
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A A benefits the club and yourself. Details here:
[6][171]https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id
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A A module_id=225364
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A A PR Director - POCA
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Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 12:53:56 +0100
From: Michael Barnes <[186]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>
To: Detomaso <[187]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Rear calliper rebuild kit for aA '74
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Has anyone got a contact in the U.K. Who can supply these please?
Thanks in advance
A Michael
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 21:04:47 +0900
From: Mike Drew <[188]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Michael Barnes <[189]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>
Cc: Detomaso <[190]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear calliper rebuild kit for aA '74
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Michael,
Here you go:A [192]http://performance-braking.co.uk/
Run by a guy named Jonathan Freeth, who was the head of Girling
racing division when Girling went belly-up. He bought all the
inventory, blueprints and tooling and continues to service all
Girling products, and can even provide new castings for some models.
He probably offers a rebuild service too.
If you do it yourself be sure to read the manual before you pick up
spanner one, and know exactly what needs to be done in order to
compress the piston. Get it wrong and you will destroy the parking
brake function.
Cheers!
Mike
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Has anyone got a contact in the U.K. Who can supply these please?
Thanks in advance
Michael
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A A Michael,
A A Here you go:A [1][196]http://performance-braking.co.uk/
A A Run by a guy named Jonathan Freeth, who was the head of
Girling racing
A A division when Girling went belly-up. He bought all the
inventory,
A A blueprints and tooling and continues to service all Girling
products,
A A and can even provide new castings for some models.
A A He probably offers a rebuild service too.
A A If you do it yourself be sure to read the manual before you
pick up
A A spanner one, and know exactly what needs to be done in order
to
A A compress the piston. Get it wrong and you will destroy the
parking
A A brake function.
A A Cheers!
A A Mike
A A Sent from my iPad
A A On Jun 26, 2016, at 20:53, Michael Barnes
A A <[2][197]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
A A Has anyone got a contact in the U.K. Who can supply these
please?
A A Thanks in advance
A A Michael
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Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 08:35:08 -0400
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[204]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: "'[205]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com'"
A A A A <[206]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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Is the international option discussed/mentioned on the POCA web
site?
If one opts for the international, will hard copies be available to
purchase in case there is one desired?
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Please spread the word!
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