[DeTomaso] Insulation material? Absolutely NPC!!
Himes, Terry (397C)
terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
Fri Jul 1 11:38:39 EDT 2016
Delete Delete. If not a spacenut.
First, I am a Spacecraft, Computer Science, Aerospace guy. They keep me far away from the hardware if they can. ;-)
Most people today are involved in the Juno JOI happening this weekend. This was what I could glean from the NASA
websites.
This piece (I have for show when I talk) is Kapton with 20 layers of dacron netting between silver Kapton-fiberglass fabric layers.
This cuts down on heat transfer between layers. Since this is only for show, mine is not gold, but most are.
The amount of gold used on an entire spacecraft can be measured in ounces. Gold is a uniquely workable metal and the foil
is used primarily as radiation shield. It's more about reflection and you only need a very thin amount. Once you leave the
protective cocoon of the earths magnetosphere (1m miles out), the radiation is extreme. Plus gold does not corrode.
It requires less care and maintenance to keep mission-ready than it's cheaper competitors, silver, copper or aluminum.
Astronauts visors are polycarbonate plastic coated with a thin layer of gold. Both IR and visible light can enter our eye's retina
equally well but our eyes have visible receptors but not IR ones. If you encounter intense visible light those receptors will warn you
to turn away. But with intense IR you would not realize your eyes are being burned. Do you still want to go to Mars? Hmmm?
For those interested in Juno this 4th of July;
http://www.voanews.com/content/nasa-juno-jupiter/3392909.html
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=6552
http://eyes.nasa.gov/
[cid:EBDB49B6-5B81-4C6D-9625-8B378A2B2B23]
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
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From: Terry Himes <Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>>
Date: Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:51 AM
To: Larry - Ohio Time <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com<mailto:Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>>, 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>, 'Paul Timko' <thedrol at pobox.com<mailto:thedrol at pobox.com>>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insulation material?
I will look into it. I have a piece of shielding in my office. It has 20 layers.
But right now I am crushed building the departure sequences for Dawn. Plus we have Juno JOI
this weekend. Crazy stuff happening all weekend.
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/
Get back to you later…
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
🇺🇸
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Larry - Ohio Time <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com<mailto:Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>>
Date: Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:36 AM
To: 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>, 'Paul Timko' <thedrol at pobox.com<mailto:thedrol at pobox.com>>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insulation material?
I recall reading a blurb from NASA (ya I read that stuff too)that the gold
color faced insulation was much better then the aluminum color faced
insulation. You do see it in all the photos of the space craft.
Let's see if Terry knows about this.
Larry (what happened to the "Pure Gold" car?) - Cleveland
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From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Julian Kift
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To: Paul Timko; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insulation material?
I second that the cloth and aluminium foils are top rate.
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Paul
Timko <thedrol at pobox.com<mailto:thedrol at pobox.com>>
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 7:05 AM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insulation material?
This is a list of stuff a lot or racers use to protect their bodywork.
Some of it is pretty expensive, but so is paint...
https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/group.asp?GroupID=HEATBARRIER
Paul
#9270
On 6/30/2016 8:57 AM, Jerry Knotts wrote:
71 Pantera well worn 377 twin turbo motor.
After a short trip yesterday I noticed one of my turbos was leaking
oil. A small amount on the input (pressure) side. A quick tightening
and it was fine. I did notice a small paint bubble on the deck directly
above the turbo. There is about 2 inches clearance about the turbos but
the deck was really hot to the touch.
Question. I am looking for a product that can be applied (as a sheet or
thin blanket) to the underside of the deck above the turbo. I have some
chromed sheet metal shields that I may be able to fit to the turbos but
would like the real protection of an insulator.
Thanks in advance to the "collective",
jerry knotts
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Delete Delete. If not a spacenut.
First, I am a Spacecraft, Computer Science, Aerospace guy. They keep
me far away from the hardware if they can. ;-)
Most people today are involved in the Juno JOI happening this weekend.
This was what I could glean from the NASA
websites.
This piece (I have for show when I talk) is Kapton with 20 layers of
dacron netting between silver Kapton-fiberglass fabric layers.
This cuts down on heat transfer between layers. Since this is only for
show, mine is not gold, but most are.
The amount of gold used on an entire spacecraft can be measured in
ounces. Gold is a uniquely workable metal and the foil
is used primarily as radiation shield. It's more about reflection and
you only need a very thin amount. Once you leave the
protective cocoon of the earths magnetosphere (1m miles out), the
radiation is extreme. Plus gold does not corrode.
It requires less care and maintenance to keep mission-ready than it's
cheaper competitors, silver, copper or aluminum.
Astronauts visors are polycarbonate plastic coated with a thin layer of
gold. Both IR and visible light can enter our eye's retina
equally well but our eyes have visible receptors but not IR ones. If
you encounter intense visible light those receptors will warn you
to turn away. But with intense IR you would not realize your eyes are
being burned. Do you still want to go to Mars? Hmmm?
For those interested in Juno this 4th of July;
[1]http://www.voanews.com/content/nasa-juno-jupiter/3392909.html
[2]http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=6552
[3]http://eyes.nasa.gov/
[cid:EBDB49B6-5B81-4C6D-9625-8B378A2B2B23]
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
[4]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
From: Terry Himes <[5]Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Date: Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:51 AM
To: Larry - Ohio Time <[6]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, 'Julian Kift'
<[7]julian_kift at hotmail.com>, 'Paul Timko' <[8]thedrol at pobox.com>,
"[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insulation material?
I will look into it. I have a piece of shielding in my office. It has
20 layers.
But right now I am crushed building the departure sequences for Dawn.
Plus we have Juno JOI
this weekend. Crazy stuff happening all weekend.
[11]http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/
Get back to you later...
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
[12]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
From: DeTomaso <[13]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of Larry - Ohio Time <[14]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
Date: Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:36 AM
To: 'Julian Kift' <[15]julian_kift at hotmail.com>, 'Paul Timko'
<[16]thedrol at pobox.com>, "[17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[18]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insulation material?
I recall reading a blurb from NASA (ya I read that stuff too)that the
gold
color faced insulation was much better then the aluminum color faced
insulation. You do see it in all the photos of the space craft.
Let's see if Terry knows about this.
Larry (what happened to the "Pure Gold" car?) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[19]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Julian Kift
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To: Paul Timko; [20]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insulation material?
I second that the cloth and aluminium foils are top rate.
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[21]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of Paul
Timko <[22]thedrol at pobox.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 7:05 AM
To: [23]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insulation material?
This is a list of stuff a lot or racers use to protect their bodywork.
Some of it is pretty expensive, but so is paint...
[24]https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/group.asp?GroupID=HEATBARRIER
Paul
#9270
On 6/30/2016 8:57 AM, Jerry Knotts wrote:
71 Pantera well worn 377 twin turbo motor.
After a short trip yesterday I noticed one of my turbos was leaking
oil. A small amount on the input (pressure) side. A quick tightening
and it was fine. I did notice a small paint bubble on the deck
directly
above the turbo. There is about 2 inches clearance about the turbos
but
the deck was really hot to the touch.
Question. I am looking for a product that can be applied (as a sheet
or
thin blanket) to the underside of the deck above the turbo. I have
some
chromed sheet metal shields that I may be able to fit to the turbos but
would like the real protection of an insulator.
Thanks in advance to the "collective",
jerry knotts
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References
1. http://www.voanews.com/content/nasa-juno-jupiter/3392909.html
2. http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=6552
3. http://eyes.nasa.gov/
4. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
5. mailto:Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov
6. mailto:Larry at ohiotimecorp.com
7. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
8. mailto:thedrol at pobox.com
9. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
10. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
11. http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/
12. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
13. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
14. mailto:Larry at ohiotimecorp.com
15. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
16. mailto:thedrol at pobox.com
17. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
18. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
19. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
20. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
21. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
22. mailto:thedrol at pobox.com
23. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
24. https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/group.asp?GroupID=HEATBARRIER
25. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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