[DeTomaso] Wanted: Used Pantera Grill

Tue Jan 26 16:05:30 EST 2016

On the contrary.  Nice from close, so nice they're indiscernible from one another unless you overlay the two screens or whip out a micrometer.

As quoted from below...
>     Be aware that the original metric mesh opening is 13 mm and SAE version
>     opening is 12.7 mm and the original metric wire is 2 mm with the SAE
>     version being 2.032 mm.  So for you purists, the mesh is not an exact
>     match, but so close as to not be a noticeable difference.  However, for
>     a formidable price I can get an exact match.

That means the difference between openings is only 2/10ths of a millimeter!  That's the diameter of the original wire.  And the difference in wire diameter of .032mm (1 thousandth of an inch) is a difference which you cannot discern with the naked eye.  Basically, you won't be able to discern the difference looking at two cars (one with original mesh and one with the affordable alternative) next two one another.  You would need to over-lay the two screens or use a micrometer to see the difference.

Again, that's just the reasonably priced option available ($50 or so).  And, as Tom pointed out, you CAN GET AN EXACT match if you wish, but at a formidable price.  

The above is just one alternative.  The other option (perhaps the best option) is to check with the various Pantera vendors - they may have complete grill screens or just the material in stock.  I recall that Wilkinson had grill screens for $300 back in 2008 or so, although I never inspected one personally so have no idea if they were/are actual Pantera grill screens or a reasonable facsimile.  

I'd also check with Roland Jaeckel in Germany. He's an excellent source for parts and seems to regularly have original parts that we in the US thought were unobtainable.

Cheers!

--- Original Message ---And the bottom line is: IT IS NOT THE SAME ! Nice from far, but far from 
nice should be the answer...

Am 26.01.2016 um 20:34 schrieb Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso:
>     Fixed the formatting...
>     Someone said the screen material used in the grill is not readily
>     available.  That's wrong. It is readily available.
>     Here's a post from PCNC member Tom Galli a few years ago...
>     Nearly Exact Match
>     Source:
>     [1]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2008-April/094439.html
>
>     Back in 2000 when I got the Mangusta I was curious about availability
>     of grill and AC mesh. My reference files for wire cloth held a number
>     of catalogs from various manufacturers. Finding a match to the mesh
>     grill work proved quick and easy so I did not pursue this any further.
>
>     Recently someone on the forum asked about availability of the mesh
>     grill with a follow up post from someone else stating that the Vendors
>     had unsuccessfully spent months looking for this stuff.
>
>     I again looked through my catalogs with the same results as before. So
>     I asked myself, what am I missing? Surely the Vendors didn't miss
>     something so banal.  I requested a sample from a local manufacturer and
>     compared it to the grill work. Not having calipers with me when
>     comparing the two I could not detect any appreciable difference. You
>     must remember that I have a Mangusta and not a Pantera so I was not
>     aware of any possible changes between the cars front and rear mesh
>     work. This prompted me to look at the Pantera mesh work. My conclusion
>     was that the Vendors failed to recognize the front Pantera mesh is made
>     into a diamond pattern by tweaking the square mesh to the desired
>     diamond shape. (the mesh is not a welded fabric but a woven cloth,
>     allowing flexibility in changing the square to a diamond).  So I have
>     to assume that the Vendors were looking for a diamond pattern mesh,
>     which, of course, is definitely not available.
>
>     Sooooooooo... Bottom line is that the mesh is a standard item at any
>     manufacturer of wire cloth and that the spec is: 1/2" square opening,
>     inter crimp, with .080 wire. CAUTION: 1/2" OPENING IS NOT THE SAME AS
>     1/2" MESH OR #2 MESH - MESH IS MEASURED FROM CENTER LINE OF WIRE TO
>     CENTER LINE OF WIRE.  This standard item is available in many different
>     materials, which probably varies from manufacturer to manufacturer.
>     Locally it is available in steel, galvanized steel, brass, aluminum,
>     stainless steel, and electro polished stainless steel (sure does look
>     like chrome). Call your local manufacturer for pricing, for I'm sure it
>     varies. [2]http://www.howardwire.com/
>
>
>     Be aware that the original metric mesh opening is 13 mm and SAE version
>     opening is 12.7 mm and the original metric wire is 2 mm with the SAE
>     version being 2.032 mm.  So for you purists, the mesh is not an exact
>     match, but so close as to not be a noticeable difference.  However, for
>     a formidable price I can get an exact match.
>
>     Your welcome,
>     Tom Galli
>     And FWIW, I have found a number of other sources for the material
>     online as well.
>     Cheers!
>     Garth
>
> References
>
>     Visible links
>     1. http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2008-April/094439.html
>     2. http://www.howardwire.com/
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   On the contrary.  Nice from close, so nice they're indiscernible from
   one another unless you overlay the two screens or whip out a
   micrometer.
   As quoted from below...
>     Be aware that the original metric mesh opening is 13 mm and SAE version
>     opening is 12.7 mm and the original metric wire is 2 mm with the SAE
>     version being 2.032 mm.  So for you purists, the mesh is not an exact
>     match, but so close as to not be a noticeable difference.  However, for
>     a formidable price I can get an exact match.

   That means the difference between openings is only 2/10ths of a
   millimeter!  That's the diameter of the original wire.  And the
   difference in wire diameter of .032mm (1 thousandth of an inch) is a
   difference which you cannot discern with the naked eye.  Basically, you
   won't be able to discern the difference looking at two cars (one with
   original mesh and one with the affordable alternative) next two one
   another.  You would need to over-lay the two screens or use a
   micrometer to see the difference.
   Again, that's just the reasonably priced option available ($50 or so).
   And, as Tom pointed out, you CAN GET AN EXACT match if you wish, but at
   a formidable price.
   The above is just one alternative.  The other option (perhaps the best
   option) is to check with the various Pantera vendors - they may have
   complete grill screens or just the material in stock.  I recall that
   Wilkinson had grill screens for $300 back in 2008 or so, although I
   never inspected one personally so have no idea if they were/are actual
   Pantera grill screens or a reasonable facsimile.
   I'd also check with Roland Jaeckel in Germany. He's an excellent source
   for parts and seems to regularly have original parts that we in the US
   thought were unobtainable.
   Cheers!
   --- Original Message ---
And the bottom line is: IT IS NOT THE SAME ! Nice from far, but far from
nice should be the answer...

Am 26.01.2016 um 20:34 schrieb Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso:
>     Fixed the formatting...
>     Someone said the screen material used in the grill is not readily
>     available.  That's wrong. It is readily available.
>     Here's a post from PCNC member Tom Galli a few years ago...
>     Nearly Exact Match
>     Source:
>     [1][1]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2008-April/094439.html
>
>     Back in 2000 when I got the Mangusta I was curious about availability
>     of grill and AC mesh. My reference files for wire cloth held a number
>     of catalogs from various manufacturers. Finding a match to the mesh
>     grill work proved quick and easy so I did not pursue this any further.
>
>     Recently someone on the forum asked about availability of the mesh
>     grill with a follow up post from someone else stating that the Vendors
>     had unsuccessfully spent months looking for this stuff.
>
>     I again looked through my catalogs with the same results as before. So
>     I asked myself, what am I missing? Surely the Vendors didn't miss
>     something so banal.  I requested a sample from a local manufacturer and
>     compared it to the grill work. Not having calipers with me when
>     comparing the two I could not detect any appreciable difference. You
>     must remember that I have a Mangusta and not a Pantera so I was not
>     aware of any possible changes between the cars front and rear mesh
>     work. This prompted me to look at the Pantera mesh work. My conclusion
>     was that the Vendors failed to recognize the front Pantera mesh is made
>     into a diamond pattern by tweaking the square mesh to the desired
>     diamond shape. (the mesh is not a welded fabric but a woven cloth,
>     allowing flexibility in changing the square to a diamond).  So I have
>     to assume that the Vendors were looking for a diamond pattern mesh,
>     which, of course, is definitely not available.
>
>     Sooooooooo... Bottom line is that the mesh is a standard item at any
>     manufacturer of wire cloth and that the spec is: 1/2" square opening,
>     inter crimp, with .080 wire. CAUTION: 1/2" OPENING IS NOT THE SAME AS
>     1/2" MESH OR #2 MESH - MESH IS MEASURED FROM CENTER LINE OF WIRE TO
>     CENTER LINE OF WIRE.  This standard item is available in many different
>     materials, which probably varies from manufacturer to manufacturer.
>     Locally it is available in steel, galvanized steel, brass, aluminum,
>     stainless steel, and electro polished stainless steel (sure does look
>     like chrome). Call your local manufacturer for pricing, for I'm sure it
>     varies. [2][2]http://www.howardwire.com/
>
>
>     Be aware that the original metric mesh opening is 13 mm and SAE version
>     opening is 12.7 mm and the original metric wire is 2 mm with the SAE
>     version being 2.032 mm.  So for you purists, the mesh is not an exact
>     match, but so close as to not be a noticeable difference.  However, for
>     a formidable price I can get an exact match.
>
>     Your welcome,
>     Tom Galli
>     And FWIW, I have found a number of other sources for the material
>     online as well.
>     Cheers!
>     Garth
>
> References
>
>     Visible links
>     1. [3]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2008-April/094439.html
>     2. [4]http://www.howardwire.com/

References

   1. http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2008-April/094439.html
   2. http://www.howardwire.com/
   3. http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2008-April/094439.html
   4. http://www.howardwire.com/