[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 20

tom ware ace595 at hotmail.com
Sun Jan 17 14:11:12 EST 2016


I'm not expert but have mine sitting on the floor and it doesn't look like it would bolt up to this bell!  

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>   1. Odd ball ZF bell housing on ebay (Ken Green)
>   2. Re: Odd ball ZF bell housing on ebay (L GRAY)
>   3. Re: Odd ball ZF bell housing on ebay (Jeff Detrich)
>   4. Mangusta racer with unusual sounding exhaust (Pantdino)
>   5. Re: Mangusta racer with unusual sounding exhaust (Ken Green)
>   6. NPC: Buick - America finally getting its $%& together?
>      (Brent Stewart)
>   7. Re: Mangusta racer with unusual sounding exhaust (Charles McCall)
>   8. Re: Odd ball ZF bell housing on ebay (Mike Drew)
>   9. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (jderyke at aol.com)
>  10. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (B Hower)
>  11. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Mike Drew)
>  12. Re: NPC: short automotive bad prose (Rob Dumoulin)
>  13. Re: NPC: Buick - America finally getting its $%&    together?
>      (Rob Dumoulin)
>  14. Re: NPC: Buick - America finally getting its    $%&    together?
>      (Mike Thomas)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Odd ball ZF bell housing on ebay
> Message-ID:
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> This just doesn't look right (or even finished):
> FORD 289 302 BLOCK TO A-Z.F TRANSMISSION BELLHOUSING ALUMINUM RACING PANTERA
> | ? |
> | ? |  | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? |
> | FORD 289 302 BLOCK TO A-Z.F TRANSMISSION BE...US $299.99 New in eBay Motors, Parts & Accessories, Car & Truck Parts |
> |  |
> | View on www.ebay.com | Preview by Yahoo |
> |  |
> | ? |
> 
> 
> I didn't think? a 302 or 289 uses a different bell housing.? I don't see threaded holes for starter studs, and the thick metal on the bottom corners doesn't seem to have a purpose?? The 4 holes for bolting to the ZF seem to be too close to the edge?? 
> It looks like a prototype that didn't go anywhere?
> Ken
> -------------- next part --------------
>    This just doesn't look right (or even finished):
>   [1]FORD 289 302 BLOCK TO A-Z.F TRANSMISSION BELLHOUSING ALUMINUM RACING
>   PANTERA
> 
> 
>                                  [2]image
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   [3]FORD 289 302 BLOCK TO A-Z.F TRANSMISSION BE...
>   US $299.99 New in eBay Motors, Parts & Accessories, Car & Truck Parts
>   [4]View on www.ebay.com
>   Preview by Yahoo
> 
>   I didn't think  a 302 or 289 uses a different bell housing.  I don't
>   see threaded holes for starter studs, and the thick metal on the bottom
>   corners doesn't seem to have a purpose?  The 4 holes for bolting to the
>   ZF seem to be too close to the edge?
>   It looks like a prototype that didn't go anywhere?
>   Ken
> 
> References
> 
>   1. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-289-302-BLOCK-TO-A-Z-F-TRANSMISSION-BELLHOUSING-ALUMINUM-RACING-PANTERA-/351631495738
>   2. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-289-302-BLOCK-TO-A-Z-F-TRANSMISSION-BELLHOUSING-ALUMINUM-RACING-PANTERA-/351631495738
>   3. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-289-302-BLOCK-TO-A-Z-F-TRANSMISSION-BELLHOUSING-ALUMINUM-RACING-PANTERA-/351631495738
>   4. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-289-302-BLOCK-TO-A-Z-F-TRANSMISSION-BELLHOUSING-ALUMINUM-RACING-PANTERA-/351631495738
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 20:26:19 +0000
> From: L GRAY <tipo874a at msn.com>
> To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Cc: POCA email Forum <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Odd ball ZF bell housing on ebay
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> It is an unfinished custom cast bell housing for a GT 40.  
> 
> Leslie A. Gray
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2016, at 1:16 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>> 
>>   This just doesn't look right (or even finished):
>>  [1]FORD 289 302 BLOCK TO A-Z.F TRANSMISSION BELLHOUSING ALUMINUM RACING
>>  PANTERA
>> 
>> 
>>                                 [2]image
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  [3]FORD 289 302 BLOCK TO A-Z.F TRANSMISSION BE...
>>  US $299.99 New in eBay Motors, Parts & Accessories, Car & Truck Parts
>>  [4]View on www.ebay.com
>>  Preview by Yahoo
>> 
>>  I didn't think  a 302 or 289 uses a different bell housing.  I don't
>>  see threaded holes for starter studs, and the thick metal on the bottom
>>  corners doesn't seem to have a purpose?  The 4 holes for bolting to the
>>  ZF seem to be too close to the edge?
>>  It looks like a prototype that didn't go anywhere?
>>  Ken
>> 
>> References
>> 
>>  1. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-289-302-BLOCK-TO-A-Z-F-TRANSMISSION-BELLHOUSING-ALUMINUM-RACING-PANTERA-/351631495738
>>  2. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-289-302-BLOCK-TO-A-Z-F-TRANSMISSION-BELLHOUSING-ALUMINUM-RACING-PANTERA-/351631495738
>>  3. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-289-302-BLOCK-TO-A-Z-F-TRANSMISSION-BELLHOUSING-ALUMINUM-RACING-PANTERA-/351631495738
>>  4. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-289-302-BLOCK-TO-A-Z-F-TRANSMISSION-BELLHOUSING-ALUMINUM-RACING-PANTERA-/351631495738
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 14:41:46 -0600
> From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> To: L GRAY <tipo874a at msn.com>
> Cc: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, POCA email Forum
>    <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Odd ball ZF bell housing on ebay
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> Looks like it will take a lot of milling at the bottom.
> 
>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 2:26 PM, L GRAY <tipo874a at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It is an unfinished custom cast bell housing for a GT 40.
>> 
>> Leslie A. Gray
>> 
>>>> On Jan 16, 2016, at 1:16 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   This just doesn't look right (or even finished):
>>>  [1]FORD 289 302 BLOCK TO A-Z.F TRANSMISSION BELLHOUSING ALUMINUM RACING
>>>  PANTERA
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                                 [2]image
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  [3]FORD 289 302 BLOCK TO A-Z.F TRANSMISSION BE...
>>>  US $299.99 New in eBay Motors, Parts & Accessories, Car & Truck Parts
>>>  [4]View on www.ebay.com
>>>  Preview by Yahoo
>>> 
>>>  I didn't think  a 302 or 289 uses a different bell housing.  I don't
>>>  see threaded holes for starter studs, and the thick metal on the bottom
>>>  corners doesn't seem to have a purpose?  The 4 holes for bolting to the
>>>  ZF seem to be too close to the edge?
>>>  It looks like a prototype that didn't go anywhere?
>>>  Ken
>>> 
>>> References
>>> 
>>>  1.
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-289-302-BLOCK-TO-A-Z-F-TRANSMISSION-BELLHOUSING-ALUMINUM-RACING-PANTERA-/351631495738
>>>  2.
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-289-302-BLOCK-TO-A-Z-F-TRANSMISSION-BELLHOUSING-ALUMINUM-RACING-PANTERA-/351631495738
>>>  3.
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-289-302-BLOCK-TO-A-Z-F-TRANSMISSION-BELLHOUSING-ALUMINUM-RACING-PANTERA-/351631495738
>>>  4.
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-289-302-BLOCK-TO-A-Z-F-TRANSMISSION-BELLHOUSING-ALUMINUM-RACING-PANTERA-/351631495738
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> -------------- next part --------------
>   Looks like it will take a lot of milling at the bottom.
> 
>   On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 2:26 PM, L GRAY <[1]tipo874a at msn.com> wrote:
> 
>     It is an unfinished custom cast bell housing for a GT 40.
>     Leslie A. Gray
> 
>>> On Jan 16, 2016, at 1:16 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso
>>   <[2]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>> 
>> A  A  This just doesn't look right (or even finished):
>> A  A [1]FORD 289 302 BLOCK TO A-Z.F TRANSMISSION BELLHOUSING ALUMINUM
>   RACING
>> A  A PANTERA
>> 
>> 
>> A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  [2]image
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> A  A [3]FORD 289 302 BLOCK TO A-Z.F TRANSMISSION BE...
>> A  A US $299.99 New in eBay Motors, Parts & Accessories, Car & Truck
>   Parts
>> A  A [4]View on [3]www.ebay.com
>> A  A Preview by Yahoo
>> 
>> A  A I didn't thinkA  a 302 or 289 uses a different bell housing.A  I
>   don't
>> A  A see threaded holes for starter studs, and the thick metal on the
>   bottom
>> A  A corners doesn't seem to have a purpose?A  The 4 holes for bolting
>   to the
>> A  A ZF seem to be too close to the edge?
>> A  A It looks like a prototype that didn't go anywhere?
>> A  A Ken
>> 
>> References
>> 
>> A  A 1.
>   [4]http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-289-302-BLOCK-TO-A-Z-F-TRANSMISSION-BEL
>   LHOUSING-ALUMINUM-RACING-PANTERA-/351631495738
>> A  A 2.
>   [5]http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-289-302-BLOCK-TO-A-Z-F-TRANSMISSION-BEL
>   LHOUSING-ALUMINUM-RACING-PANTERA-/351631495738
>> A  A 3.
>   [6]http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-289-302-BLOCK-TO-A-Z-F-TRANSMISSION-BEL
>   LHOUSING-ALUMINUM-RACING-PANTERA-/351631495738
>> A  A 4.
>   [7]http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-289-302-BLOCK-TO-A-Z-F-TRANSMISSION-BEL
>   LHOUSING-ALUMINUM-RACING-PANTERA-/351631495738
> 
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>   1. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
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>   3. http://www.ebay.com/
>   4. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-289-302-BLOCK-TO-A-Z-F-TRANSMISSION-BELLHOUSING-ALUMINUM-RACING-PANTERA-/351631495738
>   5. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-289-302-BLOCK-TO-A-Z-F-TRANSMISSION-BELLHOUSING-ALUMINUM-RACING-PANTERA-/351631495738
>   6. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-289-302-BLOCK-TO-A-Z-F-TRANSMISSION-BELLHOUSING-ALUMINUM-RACING-PANTERA-/351631495738
>   7. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-289-302-BLOCK-TO-A-Z-F-TRANSMISSION-BELLHOUSING-ALUMINUM-RACING-PANTERA-/351631495738
>   8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 15:43:37 -0500
> From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Mangusta racer with unusual sounding exhaust
> Message-ID: <1524c2dd1e0-5b95-fd8a at webprd-m35.mail.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> 
> Anyone know what this exhaust system could be?  Single outlet, if it is a Ford V8 it sounds higher pitched and higher revving than usual.  Personally I like the deeper pitch better.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/hkwrbbv
> 
> Jim
> -------------- next part --------------
>   Anyone know what this exhaust system could be?  Single outlet, if it is
>   a Ford V8 it sounds higher pitched and higher revving than usual.
>   Personally I like the deeper pitch better.
> 
> 
> 
>   [1]http://tinyurl.com/hkwrbbv
> 
> 
> 
>   Jim
> 
> References
> 
>   1. http://tinyurl.com/hkwrbbv
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 21:01:31 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
>    <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Mangusta racer with unusual sounding exhaust
> Message-ID:
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> 
> 180 degree headers?? I think some folks have even done 360 (all 8 tubes merged) headers?
> 
> 
>      From: Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> To: detomaso at poca.com 
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 12:43 PM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Mangusta racer with unusual sounding exhaust
> 
> ? Anyone know what this exhaust system could be?? Single outlet, if it is
> ? a Ford V8 it sounds higher pitched and higher revving than usual.
> ? Personally I like the deeper pitch better.
> 
> 
> 
> ? [1]http://tinyurl.com/hkwrbbv
> 
> 
> 
> ? Jim
> 
> References
> 
> ? 1. http://tinyurl.com/hkwrbbv
> 
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> -------------- next part --------------
>   180 degree headers?  I think some folks have even done 360 (all 8 tubes
>   merged) headers?
>     __________________________________________________________________
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>   From: Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>   To: detomaso at poca.com
>   Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 12:43 PM
>   Subject: [DeTomaso] Mangusta racer with unusual sounding exhaust
>     Anyone know what this exhaust system could be?  Single outlet, if it
>   is
>     a Ford V8 it sounds higher pitched and higher revving than usual.
>     Personally I like the deeper pitch better.
>     [1][1]http://tinyurl.com/hkwrbbv
>     Jim
>   References
>     1. [2]http://tinyurl.com/hkwrbbv
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 21:04:42 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
> To: Pantera List <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Buick - America finally getting its $%&
>    together?
> Message-ID:
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> Now this looks like a nice ride!
> http://www.caranddriver.com/news/buick-avista-concept-photos-and-info-news
> 
> Almost makes me want to buy American! ?:-)
> 
> -------------- next part --------------
>   Now this looks like a nice ride!
>   [1]http://www.caranddriver.com/news/buick-avista-concept-photos-and-inf
>   o-news
>   Almost makes me want to buy American!  :-)
> 
> References
> 
>   1. http://www.caranddriver.com/news/buick-avista-concept-photos-and-info-news
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 22:05:10 +0100
> From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> To: "'Pantdino'" <pantdino at aol.com>,    <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Mangusta racer with unusual sounding exhaust
> Message-ID: <062e01d150a1$96a33490$c3e99db0$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="utf-8"
> 
> It's hard to tell but it looks somewhat like the ex-George Gordon Smith Mangusta, which was the ex-Freddy Moss racecar. The Moss car had a radical 560-hp engine with 180 degree exhaust, and George detuned it to a more reasonable 480 or so. 
> 
> If this is the same car, then it has a 180 degree exhaust. I have pix somewhere...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Pantdino via DeTomaso
> Sent: s?bado, 16 de enero de 2016 21:44
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Mangusta racer with unusual sounding exhaust
> 
> 
> Anyone know what this exhaust system could be?  Single outlet, if it is a Ford V8 it sounds higher pitched and higher revving than usual.  Personally I like the deeper pitch better.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/hkwrbbv
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 16:00:21 -0600
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: L GRAY <tipo874a at msn.com>
> Cc: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, POCA email Forum
>    <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Odd ball ZF bell housing on ebay
> Message-ID: <F9986E0B-DE77-4A59-A547-8D16BF5F386A at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> ...and as an original raw casting, it's set up and sized for an original GT40 gearbox. A dash 1 will fit, a dash 2 won't....
> 
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2016, at 14:26, L GRAY <tipo874a at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It is an unfinished custom cast bell housing for a GT 40.  
>> 
>> Leslie A. Gray
>> 
>>> On Jan 16, 2016, at 1:16 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  This just doesn't look right (or even finished):
>>> [1]FORD 289 302 BLOCK TO A-Z.F TRANSMISSION BELLHOUSING ALUMINUM RACING
>>> PANTERA
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                                [2]image
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [3]FORD 289 302 BLOCK TO A-Z.F TRANSMISSION BE...
>>> US $299.99 New in eBay Motors, Parts & Accessories, Car & Truck Parts
>>> [4]View on www.ebay.com
>>> Preview by Yahoo
>>> 
>>> I didn't think  a 302 or 289 uses a different bell housing.  I don't
>>> see threaded holes for starter studs, and the thick metal on the bottom
>>> corners doesn't seem to have a purpose?  The 4 holes for bolting to the
>>> ZF seem to be too close to the edge?
>>> It looks like a prototype that didn't go anywhere?
>>> Ken
>>> 
>>> References
>>> 
>>> 1. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-289-302-BLOCK-TO-A-Z-F-TRANSMISSION-BELLHOUSING-ALUMINUM-RACING-PANTERA-/351631495738
>>> 2. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-289-302-BLOCK-TO-A-Z-F-TRANSMISSION-BELLHOUSING-ALUMINUM-RACING-PANTERA-/351631495738
>>> 3. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-289-302-BLOCK-TO-A-Z-F-TRANSMISSION-BELLHOUSING-ALUMINUM-RACING-PANTERA-/351631495738
>>> 4. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-289-302-BLOCK-TO-A-Z-F-TRANSMISSION-BELLHOUSING-ALUMINUM-RACING-PANTERA-/351631495738
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> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 17:53:58 -0500
> From: jderyke at aol.com
> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com, garth_rodericks at yahoo.com, MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
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> Available now: drop-base air cleaners in 1", 2" and 2-1/2" base-drops (maybe others too). And commonly avail. 14" dia elements are 2", 3" and 4" thick. So saying 'drop-base air cleaner' means close to nothing in terms of the height of the assembly top without the accompanying numbers. Maybe I missed them?
> FWIW- J DeRyke
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> To: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>; Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2016 2:58 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
> 
> On the K&N filter web site there are suggestions on air filter area,
>   and it looks like they think we need a lot bigger filters, like 100 sq
>   in?  That would be about 5 inches high a for a 14 inch diameter filter.
>   Ken
>     __________________________________________________________________
> 
>   From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>   To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at poca.com>
>   Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 2:05 PM
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
>     I believe I have the standard Mustang version of the Blue Thunder
>     (angled carb pad).  I'll double check tonight.  Also, I believe I
>   have
>     an earlier engine screen (it's all screen and slopes down at the
>     window.
>     The air filter is a Hall drop base air filter with the cast aluminum
>     "Pantera" script lid.  I did try a stamped lid as well without
>   success.
>     Cheers!
>     Garth
>       __________________________________________________________________
>     From: Mike Drew <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>     To: Garth Rodericks <[2]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
>     Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[3]detomaso at poca.com>
>     Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 12:40 PM
>     Subject: Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
>     Garth,
>     WHICH Blue Thunder intake do you have? The standard Mustang version
>   or
>     the Pantera version?
>     I had to change to a different air cleaner to get it to fit under my
>     screen when I put new rubber engine mount donuts in. With the old
>   ones
>     my existing Hall/K&N fit fine. I had to get a different, thinner lid
>     with the new mounts as it raised the engine a tiny bit....
>   Mike
>     Sent from my iPhone
>     On Jan 15, 2016, at 10:57, Garth Rodericks
>     <[1][4]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com> wrote:
>     Uh, no it DOES NOT.
>     I have a Blue Thunder intake on my Pantera at the moment with a
>   Holley
>     670 Avenger carb and NO carb spacer, and the drop base air cleaner
>   does
>     NOT fit under the stock screen.
>     Cheers!
>     Garth
>     --- Original Message ---
>   Dan,
>   Excellent write up, but you forgot that of the intakes tested the blue
>   thunder w
>   as among the best, and it DOES fit under the stock screen....
>   Mike
>   Sent from my iPad
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>   Available now: drop-base air cleaners in 1", 2" and 2-1/2" base-drops
>   (maybe others too). And commonly avail. 14" dia elements are 2", 3" and
>   4" thick. So saying 'drop-base air cleaner' means close to nothing in
>   terms of the height of the assembly top without the accompanying
>   numbers. Maybe I missed them?
>   FWIW- J DeRyke
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>   To: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>; Mike Drew
>   <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at poca.com>
>   Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2016 2:58 pm
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
>   On the K&N filter web site there are suggestions on air filter area,
>   and it looks like they think we need a lot bigger filters, like 100 sq
>   in? That would be about 5 inches high a for a 14 inch diameter filter.
>   Ken
>   __________________________________________________________________
>   From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at poca.com>
>   To: Mike Drew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[3]detomaso at poca.com>
>   Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 2:05 PM
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
>   I believe I have the standard Mustang version of the Blue Thunder
>   (angled carb pad). I'll double check tonight. Also, I believe I
>   have
>   an earlier engine screen (it's all screen and slopes down at the
>   window.
>   The air filter is a Hall drop base air filter with the cast aluminum
>   "Pantera" script lid. I did try a stamped lid as well without
>   success.
>   Cheers!
>   Garth
>   __________________________________________________________________
>   From: Mike Drew <[1][4]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>   To: Garth Rodericks <[2][5]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
>   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[3][6]detomaso at poca.com>
>   Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 12:40 PM
>   Subject: Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
>   Garth,
>   WHICH Blue Thunder intake do you have? The standard Mustang version
>   or
>   the Pantera version?
>   I had to change to a different air cleaner to get it to fit under my
>   screen when I put new rubber engine mount donuts in. With the old
>   ones
>   my existing Hall/K&N fit fine. I had to get a different, thinner lid
>   with the new mounts as it raised the engine a tiny bit....
>   Mike
>   Sent from my iPhone
>   On Jan 15, 2016, at 10:57, Garth Rodericks
>   <[1][4][7]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com> wrote:
>   Uh, no it DOES NOT.
>   I have a Blue Thunder intake on my Pantera at the moment with a
>   Holley
>   670 Avenger carb and NO carb spacer, and the drop base air cleaner
>   does
>   NOT fit under the stock screen.
>   Cheers!
>   Garth
>   --- Original Message ---
>   Dan,
>   Excellent write up, but you forgot that of the intakes tested the blue
>   thunder w
>   as among the best, and it DOES fit under the stock screen....
>   Mike
>   Sent from my iPad
>   References
>   1. [8]mailto:[5]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 23:03:33 +0000 (UTC)
> From: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
> To: "jderyke at aol.com" <jderyke at aol.com>,    "kenn_green at yahoo.com"
>    <kenn_green at yahoo.com>,    "garth_rodericks at yahoo.com"
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> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
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> Jack,
> Doesn't the greater drop of the base start to interfere with carburetor linkage?? 
> ?Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )
> 
> 
>      From: Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com; garth_rodericks at yahoo.com; MikeLDrew at aol.com 
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 4:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
> 
> ? Available now: drop-base air cleaners in 1", 2" and 2-1/2" base-drops
> ? (maybe others too). And commonly avail. 14" dia elements are 2", 3" and
> ? 4" thick. So saying 'drop-base air cleaner' means close to nothing in
> ? terms of the height of the assembly top without the accompanying
> ? numbers. Maybe I missed them?
> ? FWIW- J DeRyke
> 
> ? -----Original Message-----
> ? From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> ? To: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>; Mike Drew
> ? <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> ? Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at poca.com>
> ? Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2016 2:58 pm
> ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
> ? On the K&N filter web site there are suggestions on air filter area,
> ? and it looks like they think we need a lot bigger filters, like 100 sq
> ? in? That would be about 5 inches high a for a 14 inch diameter filter.
> ? Ken
> ? __________________________________________________________________
> ? From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at poca.com>
> ? To: Mike Drew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> ? Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[3]detomaso at poca.com>
> ? Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 2:05 PM
> ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
> ? I believe I have the standard Mustang version of the Blue Thunder
> ? (angled carb pad). I'll double check tonight. Also, I believe I
> ? have
> ? an earlier engine screen (it's all screen and slopes down at the
> ? window.
> ? The air filter is a Hall drop base air filter with the cast aluminum
> ? "Pantera" script lid. I did try a stamped lid as well without
> ? success.
> ? Cheers!
> ? Garth
> ? __________________________________________________________________
> ? From: Mike Drew <[1][4]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> ? To: Garth Rodericks <[2][5]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
> ? Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[3][6]detomaso at poca.com>
> ? Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 12:40 PM
> ? Subject: Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
> ? Garth,
> ? WHICH Blue Thunder intake do you have? The standard Mustang version
> ? or
> ? the Pantera version?
> ? I had to change to a different air cleaner to get it to fit under my
> ? screen when I put new rubber engine mount donuts in. With the old
> ? ones
> ? my existing Hall/K&N fit fine. I had to get a different, thinner lid
> ? with the new mounts as it raised the engine a tiny bit....
> ? Mike
> ? Sent from my iPhone
> ? On Jan 15, 2016, at 10:57, Garth Rodericks
> ? <[1][4][7]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com> wrote:
> ? Uh, no it DOES NOT.
> ? I have a Blue Thunder intake on my Pantera at the moment with a
> ? Holley
> ? 670 Avenger carb and NO carb spacer, and the drop base air cleaner
> ? does
> ? NOT fit under the stock screen.
> ? Cheers!
> ? Garth
> ? --- Original Message ---
> ? Dan,
> ? Excellent write up, but you forgot that of the intakes tested the blue
> ? thunder w
> ? as among the best, and it DOES fit under the stock screen....
> ? Mike
> ? Sent from my iPad
> ? References
> ? 1. [8]mailto:[5]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
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> -------------- next part --------------
>   Jack,
>   Doesn't the greater drop of the base start to interfere with carburetor
>   linkage?
> 
>   Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
>   ! )
>     __________________________________________________________________
> 
>   From: Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>   To: kenn_green at yahoo.com; garth_rodericks at yahoo.com; MikeLDrew at aol.com
>   Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>   Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 4:53 PM
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
>     Available now: drop-base air cleaners in 1", 2" and 2-1/2" base-drops
>     (maybe others too). And commonly avail. 14" dia elements are 2", 3"
>   and
>     4" thick. So saying 'drop-base air cleaner' means close to nothing in
>     terms of the height of the assembly top without the accompanying
>     numbers. Maybe I missed them?
>     FWIW- J DeRyke
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at poca.com>
>     To: Garth Rodericks <[2]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>; Mike Drew
>     <[3]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>     Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[4]detomaso at poca.com>
>     Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2016 2:58 pm
>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
>     On the K&N filter web site there are suggestions on air filter area,
>     and it looks like they think we need a lot bigger filters, like 100
>   sq
>     in? That would be about 5 inches high a for a 14 inch diameter
>   filter.
>     Ken
>     __________________________________________________________________
>     From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <[1][5]detomaso at poca.com>
>     To: Mike Drew <[2][6]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>     Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[3][7]detomaso at poca.com>
>     Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 2:05 PM
>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
>     I believe I have the standard Mustang version of the Blue Thunder
>     (angled carb pad). I'll double check tonight. Also, I believe I
>     have
>     an earlier engine screen (it's all screen and slopes down at the
>     window.
>     The air filter is a Hall drop base air filter with the cast aluminum
>     "Pantera" script lid. I did try a stamped lid as well without
>     success.
>     Cheers!
>     Garth
>     __________________________________________________________________
>     From: Mike Drew <[1][4][8]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>     To: Garth Rodericks <[2][5][9]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
>     Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[3][6][10]detomaso at poca.com>
>     Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 12:40 PM
>     Subject: Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
>     Garth,
>     WHICH Blue Thunder intake do you have? The standard Mustang version
>     or
>     the Pantera version?
>     I had to change to a different air cleaner to get it to fit under my
>     screen when I put new rubber engine mount donuts in. With the old
>     ones
>     my existing Hall/K&N fit fine. I had to get a different, thinner lid
>     with the new mounts as it raised the engine a tiny bit....
>     Mike
>     Sent from my iPhone
>     On Jan 15, 2016, at 10:57, Garth Rodericks
>     <[1][4][7][11]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com> wrote:
>     Uh, no it DOES NOT.
>     I have a Blue Thunder intake on my Pantera at the moment with a
>     Holley
>     670 Avenger carb and NO carb spacer, and the drop base air cleaner
>     does
>     NOT fit under the stock screen.
>     Cheers!
>     Garth
>     --- Original Message ---
>     Dan,
>     Excellent write up, but you forgot that of the intakes tested the
>   blue
>     thunder w
>     as among the best, and it DOES fit under the stock screen....
>     Mike
>     Sent from my iPad
>     References
>     1. [8]mailto:[5][12]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 17:12:08 -0600
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "jderyke at aol.com" <jderyke at aol.com>,    "kenn_green at yahoo.com"
>    <kenn_green at yahoo.com>,    "garth_rodericks at yahoo.com"
>    <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>,    "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
> Message-ID: <8415C109-E395-4081-B583-3DDCED7FC4BE at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Too, there is only so much you can achieve with a drop base. The lid of the filter has to not be resting on the mouth of the carb. :)  so a drop base allows a taller filter with a given amount of carb-to-lid clearance. But if your carb is too high, your air cleaner base could be sitting on the ground and it still wouldn't work with the stock screen. 
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2016, at 17:03, B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Jack,
>> 
>> Doesn't the greater drop of the base start to interfere with carburetor linkage?  
>> 
>> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com; garth_rodericks at yahoo.com; MikeLDrew at aol.com 
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 4:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
>> 
>>  Available now: drop-base air cleaners in 1", 2" and 2-1/2" base-drops
>>  (maybe others too). And commonly avail. 14" dia elements are 2", 3" and
>>  4" thick. So saying 'drop-base air cleaner' means close to nothing in
>>  terms of the height of the assembly top without the accompanying
>>  numbers. Maybe I missed them?
>>  FWIW- J DeRyke
>> 
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>>  To: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>; Mike Drew
>>  <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>>  Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at poca.com>
>>  Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2016 2:58 pm
>>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
>>  On the K&N filter web site there are suggestions on air filter area,
>>  and it looks like they think we need a lot bigger filters, like 100 sq
>>  in? That would be about 5 inches high a for a 14 inch diameter filter.
>>  Ken
>>  __________________________________________________________________
>>  From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at poca.com>
>>  To: Mike Drew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>>  Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[3]detomaso at poca.com>
>>  Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 2:05 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
>>  I believe I have the standard Mustang version of the Blue Thunder
>>  (angled carb pad). I'll double check tonight. Also, I believe I
>>  have
>>  an earlier engine screen (it's all screen and slopes down at the
>>  window.
>>  The air filter is a Hall drop base air filter with the cast aluminum
>>  "Pantera" script lid. I did try a stamped lid as well without
>>  success.
>>  Cheers!
>>  Garth
>>  __________________________________________________________________
>>  From: Mike Drew <[1][4]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>>  To: Garth Rodericks <[2][5]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
>>  Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[3][6]detomaso at poca.com>
>>  Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 12:40 PM
>>  Subject: Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
>>  Garth,
>>  WHICH Blue Thunder intake do you have? The standard Mustang version
>>  or
>>  the Pantera version?
>>  I had to change to a different air cleaner to get it to fit under my
>>  screen when I put new rubber engine mount donuts in. With the old
>>  ones
>>  my existing Hall/K&N fit fine. I had to get a different, thinner lid
>>  with the new mounts as it raised the engine a tiny bit....
>>  Mike
>>  Sent from my iPhone
>>  On Jan 15, 2016, at 10:57, Garth Rodericks
>>  <[1][4][7]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>  Uh, no it DOES NOT.
>>  I have a Blue Thunder intake on my Pantera at the moment with a
>>  Holley
>>  670 Avenger carb and NO carb spacer, and the drop base air cleaner
>>  does
>>  NOT fit under the stock screen.
>>  Cheers!
>>  Garth
>>  --- Original Message ---
>>  Dan,
>>  Excellent write up, but you forgot that of the intakes tested the blue
>>  thunder w
>>  as among the best, and it DOES fit under the stock screen....
>>  Mike
>>  Sent from my iPad
>>  References
>>  1. [8]mailto:[5]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
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>   Too, there is only so much you can achieve with a drop base. The lid of
>   the filter has to not be resting on the mouth of the carb. :)  so a
>   drop base allows a taller filter with a given amount of carb-to-lid
>   clearance. But if your carb is too high, your air cleaner base could be
>   sitting on the ground and it still wouldn't work with the stock
>   screen.
> 
>   Cheers!
> 
>   Mike
>   Sent from my iPhone
> 
>   On Jan 16, 2016, at 17:03, B Hower <[1]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>   Jack,
>   Doesn't the greater drop of the base start to interfere with carburetor
>   linkage?
> 
>   Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
>   ! )
>     __________________________________________________________________
> 
>   From: Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at poca.com>
>   To: [3]kenn_green at yahoo.com; [4]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com;
>   [5]MikeLDrew at aol.com
>   Cc: [6]detomaso at poca.com
>   Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 4:53 PM
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
>     Available now: drop-base air cleaners in 1", 2" and 2-1/2" base-drops
>     (maybe others too). And commonly avail. 14" dia elements are 2", 3"
>   and
>     4" thick. So saying 'drop-base air cleaner' means close to nothing in
>     terms of the height of the assembly top without the accompanying
>     numbers. Maybe I missed them?
>     FWIW- J DeRyke
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <[7]detomaso at poca.com>
>     To: Garth Rodericks <[8]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>; Mike Drew
>     <[9]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>     Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[10]detomaso at poca.com>
>     Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2016 2:58 pm
>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
>     On the K&N filter web site there are suggestions on air filter area,
>     and it looks like they think we need a lot bigger filters, like 100
>   sq
>     in? That would be about 5 inches high a for a 14 inch diameter
>   filter.
>     Ken
>     __________________________________________________________________
>     From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <[1][11]detomaso at poca.com>
>     To: Mike Drew <[2][12]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>     Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[3][13]detomaso at poca.com>
>     Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 2:05 PM
>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
>     I believe I have the standard Mustang version of the Blue Thunder
>     (angled carb pad). I'll double check tonight. Also, I believe I
>     have
>     an earlier engine screen (it's all screen and slopes down at the
>     window.
>     The air filter is a Hall drop base air filter with the cast aluminum
>     "Pantera" script lid. I did try a stamped lid as well without
>     success.
>     Cheers!
>     Garth
>     __________________________________________________________________
>     From: Mike Drew <[1][4][14]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>     To: Garth Rodericks <[2][5][15]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
>     Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[3][6][16]detomaso at poca.com>
>     Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 12:40 PM
>     Subject: Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
>     Garth,
>     WHICH Blue Thunder intake do you have? The standard Mustang version
>     or
>     the Pantera version?
>     I had to change to a different air cleaner to get it to fit under my
>     screen when I put new rubber engine mount donuts in. With the old
>     ones
>     my existing Hall/K&N fit fine. I had to get a different, thinner lid
>     with the new mounts as it raised the engine a tiny bit....
>     Mike
>     Sent from my iPhone
>     On Jan 15, 2016, at 10:57, Garth Rodericks
>     <[1][4][7][17]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com> wrote:
>     Uh, no it DOES NOT.
>     I have a Blue Thunder intake on my Pantera at the moment with a
>     Holley
>     670 Avenger carb and NO carb spacer, and the drop base air cleaner
>     does
>     NOT fit under the stock screen.
>     Cheers!
>     Garth
>     --- Original Message ---
>     Dan,
>     Excellent write up, but you forgot that of the intakes tested the
>   blue
>     thunder w
>     as among the best, and it DOES fit under the stock screen....
>     Mike
>     Sent from my iPad
>     References
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> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 21:32:43 -0500
> From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
> To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: short automotive bad prose
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Uh, tune up? Blue smoke? I remember when DDT was a good thing.
>> On Jan 16, 2016 1:11 PM, "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>>   Dear Forum,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                            I just found this on the Bulwer-Lytton bad
>>   writing website for winners of the 2015 competition for the worst
>>   opening sentence for a fictional novel.   Warning: NPC
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                          " Long overdue for a tune-up, the ancient and
>>   dilapidated 1956 Oldsmobile -- with PowerGlide transmission and power
>>   steering -- wheezed slowly into the gas station, the long, blue plumes
>>   of exhaust looking like a crop duster full of illegal DDT spraying a
>>   field of asphalt."
>> 
>> 
>>                                                -- Ed Buhrer, Louisa, VA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                              Warmest literary regards,  Chuck Engles
>> 
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>   Uh, tune up? Blue smoke? I remember when DDT was a good thing.
> 
>   On Jan 16, 2016 1:11 PM, "Charles Engles" <[1]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
> 
>     A  A Dear Forum,
>     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  I just found this on the
>     Bulwer-Lytton bad
>     A  A writing website for winners of the 2015 competition for the
>     worst
>     A  A opening sentence for a fictional novel.A  A Warning: NPC
>     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  " Long overdue for a tune-up,
>     the ancient and
>     A  A dilapidated 1956 Oldsmobile -- with PowerGlide transmission and
>     power
>     A  A steering -- wheezed slowly into the gas station, the long, blue
>     plumes
>     A  A of exhaust looking like a crop duster full of illegal DDT
>     spraying a
>     A  A field of asphalt."
>     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A
>     A  -- Ed Buhrer, Louisa, VA
>     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  Warmest literary
>     regards,A  Chuck Engles
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> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 21:40:16 -0500
> From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
> To: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Pantera List <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Buick - America finally getting its $%&
>    together?
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Looks promising. Let's see what actually makes it to production. Could the
> U.S. market support such a thing if the trimmings and performance put it at
> the 60k range?
> On Jan 16, 2016 4:05 PM, "Brent Stewart via DeTomaso" <detomaso at poca.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>   Now this looks like a nice ride!
>>   [1]http://www.caranddriver.com/news/buick-avista-concept-photos-and-inf
>>   o-news
>>   Almost makes me want to buy American!  :-)
>> 
>> References
>> 
>>   1.
>> http://www.caranddriver.com/news/buick-avista-concept-photos-and-info-news
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>   Looks promising. Let's see what actually makes it to production. Could
>   the U.S. market support such a thing if the trimmings and performance
>   put it at the 60k range?
> 
>   On Jan 16, 2016 4:05 PM, "Brent Stewart via DeTomaso"
>   <[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> 
>     A  A Now this looks like a nice ride!
>     A
>     A [1][2]http://www.caranddriver.com/news/buick-avista-concept-photos
>     -and-inf
>     A  A o-news
>     A  A Almost makes me want to buy American!A  :-)
>     References
>     A  A 1.
>     [3]http://www.caranddriver.com/news/buick-avista-concept-photos-and-
>     info-news
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>   2. http://www.caranddriver.com/news/buick-avista-concept-photos-and-inf
>   3. http://www.caranddriver.com/news/buick-avista-concept-photos-and-info-news
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 08:30:57 -0800
> From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> To: "'Rob Dumoulin'" <rob at dumoulins.net>,    "'Brent Stewart'"
>    <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "'Pantera List'" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Buick - America finally getting its    $%&
>    together?
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> Likely it will be heavily marketed to the Chinese, despite their current economic woes.  Buicks have great cache over there.
> 
> Mike Thomas
> Pres., Panteras Northwest
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 6:40 PM
> To: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Pantera List <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Buick - America finally getting its $%& together?
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> Looks promising. Let's see what actually makes it to production. Could the U.S. market support such a thing if the trimmings and performance put it at the 60k range?
> On Jan 16, 2016 4:05 PM, "Brent Stewart via DeTomaso" <detomaso at poca.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>   Now this looks like a nice ride!
>>   [1]http://www.caranddriver.com/news/buick-avista-concept-photos-and-inf
>>   o-news
>>   Almost makes me want to buy American!  :-)
>> 
>> References
>> 
>>   1.
>> http://www.caranddriver.com/news/buick-avista-concept-photos-and-info-
>> news
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