[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 18
Michael Shortt
michaelsavga at gmail.com
Sat Jan 16 11:59:13 EST 2016
Best...debate follows.
If you are anal and want to do it perfectly, sure.
Best glass option, dual pane set up with small air gap.
Other wise saftey glass, or lexan.
NEVER Plexiglass, in a crash, it can crack and if pushed the wrong
way...well...cut your head off.
Michael Shortt
On Jan 16, 2016 11:40 AM, "tom ware" <ace595 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Rear window?
> Since the project I purchased (73 L) was apart I have many questions!
> Before I install the engine is it best to fit / install the rear window?
> Plexiglass? Lexan? Acrylic?
> Should I make my own? Thickness?
> I do have templates
> Thanks for everyone's help!
> And feed back
> Tom
>
>
>
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> > 1. Re: parking brakes (gudmund fr?land)
> > 2. Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Patrick HALS)
> > 3. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Will Kooiman)
> > 4. Re: parking brakes (B Hower)
> > 5. Re: parking brakes (Will Kooiman)
> > 6. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16 (cengles at cox.net)
> > 7. Peter Brock-designed Shelby De Tomaso P70 to appear at Amelia
> > Island (Dave)
> > 8. Re: parking brakes (Tomas Gunnarsson)
> > 9. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Timothy Meyer)
> > 10. Re: Pantera Perf parking brakes (Stephen)
> > 11. Re: Decent 72 on BaT (Paul Timko)
> > 12. Re: Decent 72 on BaT (Tom Shinrock)
> > 13. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Julian Kift)
> > 14. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Daniel C Jones)
> > 15. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Mike Drew)
> > 16. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Scott Martin)
> > 17. Re: Peter Brock-designed Shelby De Tomaso P70 to appear at
> > Amelia Island (Himes, Terry (397C))
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 08:23:50 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: gudmund fr?land <gudmundfroiland at yahoo.no>
> > To: 'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, 'Tomas
> > Gunnarsson' <guson at home.se>, <gaino at earthlink.net>, Stephen
> > <steve at snclocks.com>
> > Cc: <detomaso at poca.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> > Message-ID:
> > <903429434.8715276.1452846230404.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Is there any here who have tried to install more normal E-Brake handle
> that have the wire going in on the handle instead of the rod. I am thinking
> that if the handle are replaced with fex BMW handle it would give a lot
> better leaver force instead of the arm down under the car are about same
> length as the handle inside car.
> > Den fre 2016-01-15 skrev Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>:
> >
> > Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> > Til: "'marshall smith'" <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, "'Tomas
> Gunnarsson'" <guson at home.se>, gaino at earthlink.net
> > Kopi: detomaso at poca.com
> > Dato: Fredag 15. januar 2016 05.36
> >
> > Fortunately my wife has
> > strong arms - that is the thing about our e-brakes - the
> > passenger needs to set and release them.
> >
> > Stephen Nelson
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: marshall smith [mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09
> > AM
> > To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net;
> > Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
> > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >
> > Yikes....I could never trust
> > my E brake on 'this' hill!
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Subject: Re:
> > [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> > To:
> > "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <guson at home.se>, gaino at earthlink.net
> > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> > Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
> >
> > ? ? Whilst
> > `inelegant',
> > at least the stock system
> > works well.? I installed
> > ? ? Wildwoods on
> > the front of the discs and? kept the originals on the
> > ? ? back.? I did have the originals
> > coated black - heck, doesn't look that
> > ? ? bad.
> >
> >
> >
> > ? ? Stephen Nelson
> >
> >
> > ? ? -----Original
> > Message-----
> > ? ? From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
> > On Behalf Of Tomas
> > ? ?
> > Gunnarsson
> > ? ? Sent: Wednesday, January
> > 13, 2016 8:03 AM
> > ? ? To: gaino at earthlink.net
> > ? ? Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> > ? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >
> >
> > ? ?
> > That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't? work as
> > an emergency brake
> > ? ? and parking brake
> > function is dubious. If? you park your car with the
> > ? ? brakes hot they may release when they
> > cool? off.
> >
> > ? ? Tomas
> >
> >
> > ? ?
> > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> >
> >
> >
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> >
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> > ? ?
> > From: bill gaino [gaino at earthlink.net]
> >
> > ? ? Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29
> > PM
> >
> > ? ? To: [1]detomaso at poca.com
> >
> > ? ? Subject: [DeTomaso]
> > parking brakes
> >
> >
> > ? ? Is anybody using a solinoid based
> > parking? brake? Something that that
> > ? ?
> > blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold? calipers pressed
> > against the
> > ? ? rotors. My customer does
> > not want the? extra set of E brake calipers..
> >
> > ? ? like IPSCO offers. Bill
> > 1362
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 10:36:38 +0100
> > From: Patrick HALS <patrickhals at gmail.com>
> > To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
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> > Hi all,
> > What would be the best suggestion for a high power output, complete
> > Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit , if such complete kit exists?
> > When I mean " best suggestion " , that is the best value- reliability-
> > power-torque- fun and money ratio for a quick street engine . Complicated
> > ratio.... :>))
> > What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine ) Cleveland
> > heads.
> > Just curious....
> > Thank you !
> > Pat
> > Candy 2862 - ADA 9628
> > -------------- next part --------------
> > Hi all,A
> > What would be the best suggestion for a high power output, complete
> > Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit , if such complete kit exists?A
> > When I mean " best suggestion " , that is the best value- reliability-
> > power-torque- fun and money ratio for a quick street engine .
> > Complicated ratio.... :>))
> > What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine ) Cleveland
> > heads.
> > Just curious....
> > Thank you !
> > Pat
> > Candy 2862 - ADA 9628
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 06:38:09 -0500
> > From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> > To: Patrick HALS <patrickhals at gmail.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
> > <detomaso at poca.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
> > Message-ID: <D2BE43AE.232A9%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
> >
> > Best will vary depending on who you talk to.
> >
> > I was very happy with my 377?, offset ground stock crank stroker kit from
> > Dennis Quella. I killed that engine due to a mistake I made - not
> related
> > to the stroker kit.
> >
> > I am also very happy with the 408", 4? SCAT crank kit that I currently
> > have.
> >
> > These days, it?s hard to go wrong with anything.
> >
> > On 1/15/16, 4:36 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Patrick HALS"
> > <detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of patrickhals at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,A
> >> What would be the best suggestion for a high power output, complete
> >> Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit , if such complete kit exists?A
> >> When I mean " best suggestion " , that is the best value- reliability-
> >> power-torque- fun and money ratio for a quick street engine .
> >> Complicated ratio.... :>))
> >> What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine ) Cleveland
> >> heads.
> >> Just curious....
> >> Thank you !
> >> Pat
> >> Candy 2862 - ADA 9628
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 11:41:05 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
> > To: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>, 'marshall smith'
> > <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <guson at home.se
> >,
> > "gaino at earthlink.net" <gaino at earthlink.net>
> > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> > Message-ID:
> > <286934332.5348481.1452858065317.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Question?? Aren't you supposed to apply brake pedal to apply pad
> pressure while setting the E-brake, thus you are only taking slack out of
> lever system? Am missing something here?
> > ?Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
> ! )
> >
> >
> > From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
> > To: 'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; 'Tomas Gunnarsson'
> <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net
> > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >
> > Fortunately my wife has strong arms - that is the thing about our
> e-brakes - the passenger needs to set and release them.
> >
> > Stephen Nelson
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: marshall smith [mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09 AM
> > To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net; Stephen <
> steve at snclocks.com>
> > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >
> > Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
> >
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> > To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <guson at home.se>, gaino at earthlink.net
> > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> > Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
> >
> > ? ? Whilst `inelegant',
> > at least the stock system works well.? I installed
> > ? ? Wildwoods on the front of the discs and? kept the originals on the
> > ? ? back.? I did have the originals
> > coated black - heck, doesn't look that
> > ? ? bad.
> >
> >
> > ? ? Stephen Nelson
> >
> >
> > ? ? -----Original Message-----
> > ? ? From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
> > On Behalf Of Tomas
> > ? ? Gunnarsson
> > ? ? Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
> > ? ? To: gaino at earthlink.net
> > ? ? Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> > ? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >
> >
> > ? ? That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't? work as an emergency
> brake
> > ? ? and parking brake function is dubious. If? you park your car with the
> > ? ? brakes hot they may release when they cool? off.
> >
> > ? ? Tomas
> >
> >
> > ? ? <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> >
> >
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> > ? ? From: bill gaino [gaino at earthlink.net]
> >
> > ? ? Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
> >
> > ? ? To: [1]detomaso at poca.com
> >
> > ? ? Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >
> >
> > ? ? Is anybody using a solinoid based parking? brake? Something that that
> > ? ? blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold? calipers pressed against the
> > ? ? rotors. My customer does not want the? extra set of E brake
> calipers..
> >
> > ? ? like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
> >
> >
> >
> > ? ? [2]
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> >
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> > -------------- next part --------------
> > Question?? Aren't you supposed to apply brake pedal to apply pad
> > pressure while setting the E-brake, thus you are only taking slack out
> > of lever system? Am missing something here?
> >
> > Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
> > ! )
> > __________________________________________________________________
> >
> > From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
> > To: 'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; 'Tomas
> Gunnarsson'
> > <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net
> > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> > Fortunately my wife has strong arms - that is the thing about our
> > e-brakes - the passenger needs to set and release them.
> > Stephen Nelson
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: marshall smith [mailto:[1]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09 AM
> > To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <[2]guson at home.se>; [3]gaino at earthlink.net;
> > Stephen <[4]steve at snclocks.com>
> > Cc: [5]detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> > Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <[6]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> > To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <[7]guson at home.se>, [8]gaino at earthlink.net
> > Cc: [9]detomaso at poca.com
> > Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
> > Whilst `inelegant',
> > at least the stock system works well. I installed
> > Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals on the
> > back. I did have the originals
> > coated black - heck, doesn't look that
> > bad.
> > Stephen Nelson
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
> > On Behalf Of Tomas
> > Gunnarsson
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
> > To: [11]gaino at earthlink.net
> > Cc: [12]detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> > That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
> > brake
> > and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with
> > the
> > brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
> > Tomas
> > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> >
> >
> > From: bill gaino [[13]gaino at earthlink.net]
> > Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
> > To: [1][14]detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> > Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that
> > that
> > blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against
> > the
> > rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake
> > calipers..
> > like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
> >
> > [2][15]
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> > 18. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> > 19.
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref
> > 20. http://www.slickpaint.com/
> > 21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 23. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 24. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 25. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 26. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 07:59:24 -0500
> > From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> > To: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>, Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>,
> > 'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, 'Tomas
> Gunnarsson'
> > <guson at home.se>, "gaino at earthlink.net" <gaino at earthlink.net>
> > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> > Message-ID: <D2BE5702.128F1E%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > You're not supposed to apply the brake pedal when you set the e-brake.
> >
> > You just yank on the handle and you're set.
> >
> > That's why it's also an emergency brake. If your hydraulics go out, you
> > can use your hand brake in an emergency.
> >
> > --
> > Will
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 1/15/16 6:41 AM, "B Hower via DeTomaso" <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Question?? Aren't you supposed to apply brake pedal to apply pad
> >> pressure while setting the E-brake, thus you are only taking slack out
> >> of lever system? Am missing something here?
> >>
> >> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
> >> ! )
> >> __________________________________________________________________
> >>
> >> From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
> >> To: 'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; 'Tomas
> Gunnarsson'
> >> <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net
> >> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:36 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >> Fortunately my wife has strong arms - that is the thing about our
> >> e-brakes - the passenger needs to set and release them.
> >> Stephen Nelson
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: marshall smith [mailto:[1]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09 AM
> >> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <[2]guson at home.se>; [3]gaino at earthlink.net;
> >> Stephen <[4]steve at snclocks.com>
> >> Cc: [5]detomaso at poca.com
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >> Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
> >> --------------------------------------------
> >> On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <[6]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >> To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <[7]guson at home.se>, [8]gaino at earthlink.net
> >> Cc: [9]detomaso at poca.com
> >> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
> >> Whilst `inelegant',
> >> at least the stock system works well. I installed
> >> Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals on the
> >> back. I did have the originals
> >> coated black - heck, doesn't look that
> >> bad.
> >> Stephen Nelson
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
> >> On Behalf Of Tomas
> >> Gunnarsson
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
> >> To: [11]gaino at earthlink.net
> >> Cc: [12]detomaso at poca.com
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
> >> brake
> >> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with
> >> the
> >> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
> >> Tomas
> >> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> >>
> >>
> >> From: bill gaino [[13]gaino at earthlink.net]
> >> Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
> >> To: [1][14]detomaso at poca.com
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >> Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that
> >> that
> >> blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against
> >> the
> >> rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake
> >> calipers..
> >> like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
> >>
> >> [2][15]
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref
> >> =ts&
> >> fref
> >> =ts
> >> If you want it slick.
> >> [3]www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook
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> >> [19]
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> >> &fref
> >> 3. [20]http://www.slickpaint.com/
> >> 4. mailto:[21]DeTomaso at poca.com
> >> 5. [22]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> >> References
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> >> 1. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
> >> 2. mailto:guson at home.se
> >> 3. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
> >> 4. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
> >> 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >> 6. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
> >> 7. mailto:guson at home.se
> >> 8. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
> >> 9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >> 10. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> >> 11. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
> >> 12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >> 13. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
> >> 14. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >> 15.
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&
> >> 16. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >> 17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >> 18. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >> 19.
> >>
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref
> >> 20. http://www.slickpaint.com/
> >> 21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >> 22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >> 23. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >> 24. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >> 25. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >> 26. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 13:19:59 +0000 (GMT)
> > From: cengles at cox.net
> > To: jderyke at aol.com
> > Cc: ace595 at hotmail.com, detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16
> > Message-ID: <2d425f.13d91.15245714f4d.Webtop.0 at cox.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
> >
> >
> > Dear Jack,
> >
> > You wrote:
> >
> > " the stock al-asbestos-al heat shield. "
> >
> > $$$$$$$$ Ah-hah! I thought that there was some asbestos in there
> > somewhere, but I could not be sure. Obviously, it is sandwiched between
> > the aluminum layers. Thanks for bolstering my fuzzy memory.
> >
> >
> > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> > To: 'tom ware' <ace595 at hotmail.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> > Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 5:26 pm
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16
> >
> > Dear Tom,
> >
> > I am not an expert, but....
> >
> > last year I removed the gas tank from my late '74 Pantera, which has had
> > the
> > stainless steel treatment for the last twenty five years. Behind the
> > bling
> > is the base stock thick aluminum(?) which is not a single layer. There
> > are
> > at least two layers and there *might* be a layer in between. That is my
> > guess and I will defer to an expert.
> >
> > I think that the normal stainless steel shield installation is over the
> > stock one. Perhaps it is heavier, but it would tend to further shield
> > the
> > gas tank from the headers' heat.
> >
> > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [ mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> > <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> ')>
> > ] On Behalf Of tom ware
> > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:58 PM
> > To: detomaso at poca.com
> > <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16
> >
> > Gas tank shield ?
> > I have a new stainless steel shield that came with my project.
> > Is it the norm to insulate it for heat.?
> > Thanks
> > Tom
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jan 14, 2016, at 2:00 PM, < detomaso-request at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-request at poca.com
> ')>
> > < detomaso-request at poca.com
> > <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-request at poca.com
> ')>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >> <http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com> or, via email,
> >> send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >> detomaso-request at poca.com
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> ')>
> >> You can reach the person managing the list at detomaso-owner at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-owner at poca.com')>
> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >> than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..."
> >>
> >> Daily Detomaso List Digest
> >> Today's Topics:
> >> 1. Re: parking brakes (Tomas Gunnarsson) 2. Re: parking brakes (
> >> MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> )
> >> 3. Re: parking brakes ( MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> )
> >> 4. Re: parking brakes ( MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> )
> >> 5. Re: Campagnolo Wheels ( MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> )
> >> 6. Re: parking brakes (Stephen) 7. Re: parking brakes (L GRAY) 8.
> >> Re: Campagnolo Wheels (Michael Shortt) 9. Re: parking brakes (Tomas
> >> Gunnarsson) 10. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (Larry Stock) 11. Re: parking
> >> brakes (Charles McCall) 12. Re: parking brakes (Tomas Gunnarsson)
> >> 13. Re: parking brakes (Charles McCall) 14. Re: parking brakes
> >> (Thomas Tornblom) 15. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (marshall smith) 16. Re:
> >> Campagnolo Wheels (marshall smith) 17. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (Michael
> >> Shortt) 18. Re: parking brakes (Ken Green) 19. Re: parking brakes
> >> (Scott Bell) 20. NPC 91 Merc parts (B Hower) 21. NPC 2000 BMW 740i
> >> Sport for whole or parts (Rob Dumoulin) 22. Re: NPC 2000 BMW 740i
> >> Sport for whole or parts (Mirril M. McMullen) 23. Re: NPC 2000
> >> BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts (Rob Dumoulin) 24. Re: NPC 2000 BMW
> >> 740i Sport for whole or parts (Rob Dumoulin) 25. Re: parking brakes
> >> (marshall smith)
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:27:31 -0800 From: "Tomas
> >> Gunnarsson" < guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> > To: <
> >> gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> >
> >> Cc: < steve at snclocks.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> >,
> >> < detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: <
> >> 46D238640B764EE3A581C2544BE74A80 at mail2world.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('
> 46D238640B764EE3A581C2544BE74A80 at mail2world.com')>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side of
> >> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that
> >> not all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only
> >> newer cars that suffer from that.
> >> Tomas
> >>
> >>
> >> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> >> From: bill gaino [ gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ]
> >> Sent: 13/1/2016 6:13:51 PM To: steve at snclocks.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> ;
> >> guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> Cc:
> >> detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >>
> >> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position to
> >> use as Ebrake? He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired
> >> on the rear mounts..Bill 1362
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sent: Jan 13, 2016
> >> 11:21 AM To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' , gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
> >> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >>
> >>
> >> Whilst 'inelegant', at least the stock system works well. I
> >> installed Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals
> >> on the back. I did have the originals coated black - heck, doesn't
> >> look that bad.
> >>
> >>
> >> Stephen Nelson
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [
> >> mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> ')>
> >> ] On Behalf Of Tomas Gunnarsson Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016
> >> 8:03 AM To: gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
> >> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >>
> >>
> >> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
> >> brake and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with
> >> the brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
> >>
> >>
> >> Tomas
> >>
> >>
> >> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> >>
> >>
> >> From: bill gaino [
> >> gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ]
> >> Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
> >> To: detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> <
> >> mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that
> >> that blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against
> >> the rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake
> >> calipers..
> >> like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref
> >> <
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref>
> >> <
> >> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fre
> >> <
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> >> f>
> >> =ts
> >> If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com
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> >>
> >> . -------------- next part -------------- Yes Bill, most likely. I
> >> have installed calipers on the front side of the uprights, the holes
> >> were threaded and all. I think I heard that not all uprights are
> >> drilled front and back but it may be that only newer cars that
> >> suffer from that.
> >> Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: bill gaino [
> >> gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ]
> >> Sent: 13/1/2016 6:13:51 PM To: steve at snclocks.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> ;
> >> guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> Cc:
> >> detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Is it possible to mount the
> >> stock calipers in the front position to use as Ebrake? He already
> >> has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired on the rear mounts..Bill
> >> 1362
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sent: Jan 13,
> >> 2016 11:21 AM To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' , gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
> >> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >> Whilst `inelegant', at least the stock system works well. I
> >> installed Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals
> >> on the back. I did have the originals coated black - heck, doesn't
> >> look that bad.
> >>
> >> Stephen Nelson
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [
> >> mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> ')>
> >> ] On Behalf Of Tomas Gunnarsson Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016
> >> 8:03 AM To: gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
> >> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >>
> >> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
> >> brake and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car
> >> with the brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
> >> Tomas
> >>
> >> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> >>
> >> From: bill gaino [ gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ]
> >> Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
> >> To: [1] detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >>
> >> Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that that
> >> blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against the
> >> rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake calipers..
> >> like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
> >>
> >>
> >> [2]
> >> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&
> >> <https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&>
> >> fref
> >> =ts
> >> If you want it slick. [3] www.slickpaint.com
> >> <http://www.slickpaint.com> like us on facebook
> >>
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> >
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> >> mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('DeTomaso at poca.com')> 5.
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> >> ------------------------------
> >> Message: 2 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:51:53 -0500 From:
> >> MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> To:
> >> guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> ,
> >> gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
> >> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: <
> >> 72fdba.12644e17.43c804d9 at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('
> 72fdba.12644e17.43c804d9 at aol.com')>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >>
> >> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
> >>
> >>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency brake
> >>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the
> >>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
> >>
> >>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about
> >>>>> an
> >> (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the OEMs
> >> and
> > is
> >> in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective to satisfy
> >> government regulations worldwide). Such systems are now available in
> >> the
> >
> >> aftermarket.
> >> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
> >> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
> > 'arm' that
> >> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for
> > sure?
> >>
> >> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient to
> > hold
> >> a car for any length of time; they are designed for very short-term
> >> use only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than an inch)
> > crashing
> >> into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow it and the fool
> > parked it
> >> overnight on a slope in neutral with the line lock engaged. As the
> > brakes
> >> cooled at night, they released and the car rolled through a lot
> >> crowded
> > with
> >> collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a hedge and
> > down
> >> into a ditch! Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been very
> >> bad
> >
> >> indeed.
> >> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
> >> much more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would
> >> still
> > hold
> >> pressure even as the fluid cooled. However, it would not serve as a
> > proper
> >> emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal blew out
> >> in
> > a
> >> caliper) whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages the
> >> components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work.
> >> Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30 years...park
> >> wisely and hope for the best!) -------------- next part --------------
> >> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
> >> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
> >> brake and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car
> >> with the brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
> >>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about
> >> an (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the
> >> OEMs and is in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective
> >> to satisfy government regulations worldwide). Such systems are now
> >> available in the aftermarket. I confess I don't know if OEM electric
> >> parking brake systems work by pressurizing the fluid in the line, or
> >> if they are a simple mechanical 'arm' that is pulling on a
> >> mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for sure? You're
> >> correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient to hold
> >> a car for any length of time; they are designed for very short-term
> >> use only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than an
> >> inch) crashing into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow
> >> it and the fool parked it overnight on a slope in neutral with the
> >> line lock engaged. As the brakes cooled at night, they released and
> >> the car rolled through a lot crowded with collector cars, brushed
> >> past the Aston and crashed through a hedge and down into a ditch!
> >> Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been very bad indeed.
> >> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
> >> much more effective because it has its own master cylinder that
> >> would still hold pressure even as the fluid cooled. However, it
> >> would not serve as a proper emergency brake if there was a hydraulic
> >> failure (say, a seal blew out in a caliper) whereas a cable-type
> >> system that mechanically leverages the components of the caliper
> >> requires no hydraulics to work. Mike (who has had no parking brake
> >> at all for the past 30 years...park wisely and hope for the best!)
> >> ------------------------------
> >> Message: 3 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:51:57 -0500 From:
> >> MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> To:
> >> gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ,
> >> steve at snclocks.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> ,
> >> guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> Cc:
> >> detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: <
> >> 72fdc9.23690f23.43c804dd at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('
> 72fdc9.23690f23.43c804dd at aol.com')>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>
> >> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
> >> writes:
> >>
> >>> ?? Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position
> >>> to use ?? as Ebrake?? He already has the Wilwoods installed and
> >>> saftey wired on ?? the rear mounts.
> >>
> >>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics. The
> >> calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear of
> >> the wheelwell. If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no
> >> longer
> > fit, plus if
> >> longer ones were used, they would foul the driveshafts on their way
> >> forward. The only possible way to make a system like that work would
> >> be
> > to
> >> reposition the cables so they entered the wheelwells ahead of, instead
> >> of
> > behind
> >> the hub carriers, and there would be a fair bit of engineering
> >> involved.
> > I
> >> suppose it might be possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial
> > exercise.
> >>
> >> Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated
> >> 1/13/16 9 15 10, gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
> >> writes:
> >> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front
> >> position to use as Ebrake? He already has the Wilwoods
> >> installed and saftey wired on the rear mounts.
> >>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics. The
> >> calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear
> >> of the wheelwell. If the calipers are repositioned the cables will
> >> no longer fit, plus if longer ones were used, they would foul the
> >> driveshafts on their way forward. The only possible way to make a
> >> system like that work would be to reposition the cables so they
> >> entered the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind the hub carriers,
> >> and there would be a fair bit of engineering involved. I suppose it
> >> might be possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial exercise.
> >> Mike
> >> ------------------------------
> >> Message: 4 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:52:03 -0500 From:
> >> MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> To:
> >> guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> ,
> >> gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
> >> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: <
> >> 72fddd.5edc2feb.43c804e3 at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('
> 72fddd.5edc2feb.43c804e3 at aol.com')>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >>
> >> In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
> >>
> >>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side of
> >>> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that
> >>> not all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only
> >>> newer cars that suffer from that.
> >>
> >>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes only
> >>>>> on
> >> one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a
> >> production
> >
> >> standpoint).
> >> Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated
> >> 1/13/16 11 28 28, guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
> >> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side
> >> of the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard
> >> that not all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be
> >> that only newer cars that suffer from that.
> >>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes only
> >> on one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a
> >> production standpoint). Mike
> >> ------------------------------
> >> Message: 5 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 15:19:19 -0500 From:
> >> MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> To:
> >> davel at emspace.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> ,
> >> detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> ,
> >> michael at michaelshortt.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('michael at michaelshortt.com
> ')>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID: <
> >> 73161a.56810af3.43c80b47 at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('
> 73161a.56810af3.43c80b47 at aol.com')>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>
> >> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')>
> >> writes:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. I think that's
> >>> fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the unsprung weight
> >>> for track use? dave
> >>>
> >>>>> Interesting. This was apparently a reply to an original post by
> >> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it wind
> >> up
> > in my
> >> spam folder?
> >> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,
> >> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
> >> below:
> >>
> >>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: ? ?? Greetings,
> >>>> ? ?? After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
> >>>> inventory
> >>> today,
> >>>> ? ?? I have 21 Campy wheels,
> >>>
> >>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> ? ?? 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
> >>>> Triple ? ?? Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington
> >>>> Wheels made for
> >>> Hall
> >>>> ? ?? Pantera.
> >>
> >>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall? He did
> >>>>> make
> >> them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some
> >> markedly
> >
> >> better than others. Can you share some images perhaps to help in
> >> identification?
> >> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were
> > welded
> >> together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
> >>>>> ? ?? And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
> >>>
> >>>>> What kind of wheels are those? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
> >> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes they
> > have at least. :>
> >> )
> >>>>
> >>>> ? ?? I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use, ? ?? And
> >>>> one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for Rally
> > and
> >>>> ? ?? Track use.
> >>>
> >>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
> > wheels
> >> which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
> >> spinner?
> >
> >> Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the latter being the
> >> only
> >
> >> genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever encountered).
> >>
> >>>> ? ?? I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
> >>> Blackwalls
> >>>> ? ?? and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos, With
> >>>> a
> >>> spare
> >>>> ? ?? Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
> >>>
> >>>>> Sounds good!
> >>>>
> >>>>> ? ?? That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
> >>>>> Sell
> >>> or
> >>>> ? ?? Trade. Photos Available.
> >>>
> >>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia? What kind are
> >>>>> they?
> >
> >> Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
> >> wheels?
> >>>> ? ?? I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
> >>>
> >>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life. These
> >>>>> were
> >> an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype. I have
> >> no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any
> >> other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very
> >> small indeed.
> > Even
> >> 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels.
> >> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels
> >> to appear. :>)
> >>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the Campy
> >>>> ? ?? Wheel education.
> >>>
> >>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
> >>>>> your
> >> aftermarket wheels. Simply put, I would never wish three-piece Hall
> > wheels
> >> on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use. We collectively
> > know
> >> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and a
> > potential
> >> accident. Jack has often told of the car that was zorching down Mt.
> >> Ch arleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his Hall
> >> wheel dismantled himself; I believe it thrust the car into the
> >> scenery, but
> > can't
> >> remember that aspect of the story for sure. Jack?
> >> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to
> >> sell;
> >
> >> a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and he had
> >> to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
> >> halfway
> > around.
> >> The other three wheels had similar cracks when they were taken apart
> >> and inspected.
> >> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
> >> wheel;
> >
> >> when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the freeway in
> >> Los
> >
> >> Angeles. What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the brake
> >> line
> > was
> >> damaged. MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran the
> >> Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped on the brakes at
> >> the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the exhaust and
> >> the rest was history.
> >> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
> >> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
> >> woefully under-engineered, and today should be related either to a
> >> display case, or
> > a
> >> recycling bin IMHO....
> >> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as
> >> the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,
> >> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
> >>>>> ? ?? Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
> >>> primer,
> >>>> ? ?? I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
> >>>> see
> >>> the
> >>>> ? ?? final results. ? ?? Photo attached.
> >>>
> >>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
> >> either....
> >> Cheers!
> >> Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated
> >> 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')>
> >> writes:
> >> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. I think
> >> that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
> >> unsprung weight for track use? dave
> >>>>> Interesting. This was apparently a reply to an original post by
> >> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
> >> wind up in my spam folder? I'm noting some irregularities with the
> >> forum these days....anyway, thankfully Dave included Michael's
> >> original post, so see replies below:
> >>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: Greetings,
> >>> After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
> >> inventory today,
> >>> I have 21 Campy wheels,
> >>
> >>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
> >>
> >>> 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
> >> Triple
> >>> Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
> >> for Hall
> >>> Pantera.
> >>
> >>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall? He did
> >> make them for several other vendors, in several different styles,
> >> some markedly better than others. Can you share some images perhaps
> >> to help in identification? Hall did have somebody cast up
> >> ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were welded together, and perhaps
> >> Coddington was the source for those?
> >>>> And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
> >>
> >>>>> What kind of wheels are those? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
> >> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes they
> >> have at least. :>)
> >>>
> >>> I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use, And one
> >>> set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
> >> Rally and
> >>> Track use.
> >>
> >>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
> >> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
> >> center spinner? Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with
> >> the latter being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've
> >> ever encountered).
> >>> I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
> >> Blackwalls
> >>> and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
> >> With a spare
> >>> Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
> >>
> >>>>> Sounds good!
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
> >> Sell or
> >>> Trade. Photos Available.
> >>
> >>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia? What kind are
> >> they? Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some
> >> L-model wheels?
> >>> I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
> >>
> >>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life. These
> >> were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.
> >> I have no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen
> >> any other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is
> >> very small indeed. Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant,
> >> had single slot wheels. So don't hold your breath waiting for a
> >> full set of three-slot wheels to appear. :>)
> >>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
> >> Campy
> >>> Wheel education.
> >>
> >>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
> >> your aftermarket wheels. Simply put, I would never wish three-piece
> >> Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use. We
> >> collectively know about multiple failures, which always led to rapid
> >> deflation and a potential accident. Jack has often told of the car
> >> that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit
> >> speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe it
> >> thrust the car into the scenery, but can't remember that aspect of the
> >> story for sure. Jack? Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
> >> Concorso that he was trying to sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart
> >> while the car was parked (!) and he had to tow it back to Nevada as
> >> it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked halfway around. The other
> >> three wheels had similar cracks when they were taken apart and
> >> inspected. And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure
> >> of his Hall wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell
> >> down onto the freeway in Los Angeles. What wasn't seen was that
> >> during the collapse, the brake line was damaged. MD swapped his
> >> stock wheels w/race tires on and ran the Silver State a day or two
> >> later, but when he stepped on the brakes at the finish line, the
> >> line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest was
> >> history. And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
> >> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
> >> woefully under-engineered, and today should be related either to a
> >> display case, or a recycling bin IMHO.... So tell me exactly what
> >> kind of wheels you're talking about here, as the Coddington wheels
> >> (which I have aesthetic problems with, admittedly) are nothing like
> >> these Hall wheels at all.
> >>>> Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
> >> primer,
> >>> I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
> >> see the
> >>> final results. Photo attached.
> >>
> >>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
> >> either.... Cheers! Mike
> >> ------------------------------
> >> Message: 6 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:23:56 -0800 From: "Stephen" <
> >> steve at snclocks.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> >
> >> To: < MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> >,
> >> < gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> >,
> >> < guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> > Cc: <
> >> detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID:
> >> <00d501d14e40$54625920$fd270b60$@snclocks.com> Content-Type:
> >> text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >> When I was going through my brakes I wanted to clean out the e-brake
> >> housings and the cables. So, I cut off the cable ends, took
> >> everything apart, took all the old plastic sheath off the housings,
> >> replaced with
> > heavy
> >> shrink-to-fit, cut the housings to be a better fit with less excess
> > length,
> >> lubed with graphite-impregnated grease, then put new ends on the
> >> cables to match the length that they needed to be. Went together very
> >> nicely.
> >>
> >>
> >> It would have been pretty much as simple to change length to match a
> >> front mounting for the originals, but would have likely required
> >> cutting a pair
> > of
> >> holes in the sheet metal - I hate extra holes.
> >>
> >>
> >> For what all that is worth.
> >>
> >>
> >> Stephen Nelson
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> [
> >> mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> ]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:52 AM To: gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ;
> >> steve at snclocks.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> ;
> >> guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> Cc:
> >> detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> <
> >> mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> >
> >> writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position to
> >> use as Ebrake? He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey
> >> wired on the rear mounts.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics. The
> > calipers
> >> are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear of the
> > wheelwell.
> >> If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no longer fit, plus
> >> if longer ones were used, they would foul the driveshafts on their way
> > forward.
> >> The only possible way to make a system like that work would be to
> > reposition
> >> the cables so they entered the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind
> >> the hub carriers, and there would be a fair bit of engineering
> >> involved. I suppose it might be possible, but it certainly won't be a
> >> trivial
> > exercise.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> -------------- next part -------------- When I was going through my
> >> brakes I wanted to clean out the e-brake housings and the cables.
> >> So, I cut off the cable ends, took everything apart, took all the
> >> old plastic sheath off the housings, replaced with heavy
> >> shrink-to-fit, cut the housings to be a better fit with less excess
> >> length, lubed with graphite-impregnated grease, then put new ends on
> >> the cables to match the length that they needed to be. Went
> >> together very nicely.
> >>
> >> It would have been pretty much as simple to change length to match a
> >> front mounting for the originals, but would have likely required
> >> cutting a pair of holes in the sheet metal - I hate extra holes...
> >>
> >> For what all that is worth.
> >>
> >> Stephen Nelson
> >>
> >>
> >> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> [
> >> mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> ]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:52 AM To: gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ;
> >> steve at snclocks.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> ;
> >> guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> Cc:
> >> detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >>
> >> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, [1] gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
> >> writes:
> >> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front
> >> position to use as Ebrake? He already has the Wilwoods
> >> installed and saftey wired on the rear mounts.
> >>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics. The
> >> calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear
> >> of the wheelwell. If the calipers are repositioned the cables will
> >> no longer fit, plus if longer ones were used, they would foul the
> >> driveshafts on their way forward. The only possible way to make a
> >> system like that work would be to reposition the cables so they
> >> entered the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind the hub carriers,
> >> and there would be a fair bit of engineering involved. I suppose it
> >> might be possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial exercise.
> >> Mike
> >> References
> >> 1. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
> >> ------------------------------
> >> Message: 7 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 21:07:23 +0000 From: L GRAY <
> >> tipo874a at msn.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('tipo874a at msn.com')> > To:
> >> " MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> " <
> >> MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> >
> >> Cc: " guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> " <
> >> guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> >, "
> >> gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> "
> >> < gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> >,
> >> " detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> " <
> >> detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID:
> > <
> >
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> >
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('BLUPR19MB0163500785FD9792060E49A29DCB0 at BLUPR19MB0163.namprd19.prod.outlook
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> > .
> > com>
> >>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >>
> >> Hate to disagree here Mike. The only uprights that were produced for a
> > Pantera that were right or left handed were "some" of Hall Pantera's
> > aluminum uprights, and they originally had mounts on front and rear. For
> > some reason later on in production they were built without both sets of
> > ears.......... never understood why .......as you said dumb idea !!
> >> The Group 4 uprights were manufactured with both sets of ears.
> >> Some
> > of you may not know that the GT 5 and the GT 5-S rear uprights were
> > taken
> > from the competition Group 4 spares inventory.
> >>
> >> Leslie A. Gray
> >>> On Jan 13, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <
> >>> detomaso at poca.com
> >>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >
> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, guson at home.se
> >>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
> >>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side
> >>> of the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard
> >>> that not all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be
> >>> that only newer cars that suffer from that.
> >>>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes only
> >>> on one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a
> >>> production standpoint). Mike
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> >> ------------------------------
> >> Message: 8 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 16:20:31 -0500 From: Michael Shortt
> >> < michaelsavga at gmail.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('michaelsavga at gmail.com')>
> >>> To: 576103 < MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> >
> >> Cc: Dave Londry < davel at emspace.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> >, "
> >> detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> "
> >> < detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID:
> >> <CAEWtxWrnqwjnrhKaKWzkxyc4SnmmwfoeAk1gHft7eVUsB= Di5Q at mail.gmail.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('Di5Q at mail.gmail.com')> >
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >> none of my wheels are assembled ( fasteners) 3 piece wheels, all are
> > welded
> >> or billet.
> >> I have driven on the wheels on street, on track and on the Tail of the
> >> Dragon and have had zero issues in 12 years with 2 different designs,
> >> not sure who mad ethe current wheels ( 10 spoke ), but they show no
> >> signs of stress, damage either.
> >> It may be my luck, it could be others bad luck, it could be misuse and
> >> driving style.
> >> My Dad owned 3 Audi 5000's, he never had any issues either, maybe
> >> because he never pressed the gas instead of the brake.
> >>
> >> Michael Shortt
> >>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, < MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com
> >>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')>
> >>> writes:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. I think that's
> >>> fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the unsprung weight
> >>> for track use? dave
> >>>
> >>>>>> Interesting. This was apparently a reply to an original post by
> >>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
> >>> wind up in my spam folder?
> >>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,
> >>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
> >>> below:
> >>>
> >>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: Greetings,
> >>>> After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief inventory
> >>> today,
> >>>> I have 21 Campy wheels,
> >>>
> >>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
> >>>> Triple Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels
> >>>> made for
> >>> Hall
> >>>> Pantera.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall? He did
> >>>>>> make
> >>> them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some
> > markedly
> >>> better than others. Can you share some images perhaps to help in
> >>> identification?
> >>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were
> >>> welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
> >>>>> And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
> >>>
> >>>>>> What kind of wheels are those? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
> >>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
> >>> they
> > have
> >>> at least. :>)
> >>>>
> >>>> I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use, And one
> >>>> set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for Rally and
> >>>> Track use.
> >>>
> >>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
> >>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
> >>> center spinner? Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the
> >>> latter
> > being
> >>> the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever encountered).
> >>>
> >>>> I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
> >>> Blackwalls
> >>>> and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos, With a
> >>> spare
> >>>> Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
> >>>
> >>>>>> Sounds good!
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
> >>>>> Sell or
> >>>> Trade. Photos Available.
> >>>
> >>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia? What kind are
> >>>>>> they?
> >>> Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
> >>> wheels?
> >>>> I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
> >>>
> >>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life. These
> >>>>>> were
> >>> an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype. I have
> >>> no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any
> >>> other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very
> >>> small indeed. Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had
> >>> single slot wheels.
> >>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels
> >>> to appear. :>)
> >>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the Campy
> >>>> Wheel education.
> >>>
> >>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
> >>>>>> your
> >>> aftermarket wheels. Simply put, I would never wish three-piece Hall
> > wheels
> >>> on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use. We collectively
> > know
> >>> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and a
> >>> potential accident. Jack has often told of the car that was zorching
> > down
> >>> Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his
> >>> Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe it thrust the car into the
> >>> scenery,
> > but
> >>> can't remember that aspect of the story for sure. Jack?
> >>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to
> > sell;
> >>> a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and he
> >>> had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
> >>> halfway around. The other three wheels had similar cracks when they
> >>> were taken apart and inspected.
> >>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
> > wheel;
> >>> when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the freeway
> >>> in
> > Los
> >>> Angeles. What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the brake
> >>> line
> > was
> >>> damaged. MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran the
> >>> Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped on the brakes at
> >>> the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the exhaust
> >>> and the rest was history.
> >>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
> >>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
> >>> woefully under-engineered, and today should be related either to a
> >>> display case,
> > or
> >>> a recycling bin IMHO....
> >>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as
> >>> the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,
> >>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
> >>>>> Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
> >>> primer,
> >>>> I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to see
> >>>> the final results. Photo attached.
> >>>
> >>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
> >>> either....
> >>> Cheers!
> >>> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com
> >> <http://www.michaelshortt.com> michael at michaelshortt.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('michael at michaelshortt.com
> ')>
> >> 912-232-9390
> >>
> >> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act,
> >> 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
> >> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
> > notified
> >> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
> >> communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that
> >> you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you
> >> -------------- next part -------------- none of my wheels are
> >> assembled ( fasteners) 3 piece wheels, all are welded or billet. I
> >> have driven on the wheels on street, on track and on the Tail of the
> >> Dragon and have had zero issues in 12 years with 2 different designs,
> >> not sure who mad ethe current wheels ( 10 spoke ), but they show no
> >> signs of stress, damage either. It may be my luck, it could be
> >> others bad luck, it could be misuse and driving style. My Dad
> >> owned 3 Audi 5000's, he never had any issues either, maybe because
> >> he never pressed the gas instead of the brake. Michael Shortt
> >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, <[1] MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> >
> >> wrote:
> >> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [2] davel at emspace.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')>
> >> writes: My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. I
> >> think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
> >> unsprung weight for track use? dave
> >>>>> Interesting.A This was apparently a reply to an original post by
> >> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
> >> wind up in my spam folder? I'm noting some irregularities with the
> >> forum these days....anyway, thankfully Dave included Michael's
> >> original post, so see replies below:
> >>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: A A A Greetings,
> >>> A A A After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
> >> inventory today,
> >>> A A A I have 21 Campy wheels,
> >>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
> >>
> >>> A A A 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
> >> Triple
> >>> A A A Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels
> >> made for Hall
> >>> A A A Pantera.
> >>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?A He did
> >> make them for several other vendors, in several different styles,
> >> some markedly better than others.A Can you share some images
> >> perhaps to help in identification? Hall did have somebody cast up
> >> ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were welded together, and perhaps
> >> Coddington was the source for those?
> >>>> A A A And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and
> >> 245/40.
> >>>>> What kind of wheels are those?A 10 spokes is a pretty vague
> >> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
> >> they have at least. :>)
> >>>
> >>> A A A I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use, A A A
> >>> And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
> >> Rally and
> >>> A A A Track use.
> >>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
> >> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
> >> center spinner?A Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with
> >> the latter being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've
> >> ever encountered).
> >>> A A A I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
> >> Blackwalls
> >>> A A A and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
> >> With a spare
> >>> A A A Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
> >>>>> Sounds good!A
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> A A A That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose
> >> of. Sell or
> >>> A A A Trade. Photos Available.
> >>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?A What kind are
> >> they?A Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some
> >> L-model wheels?
> >>> A A A I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
> >>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.A
> >> These were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile
> >> prototype.A I have no idea how many were put into production but
> >> I've never seen any other car wearing them, so I would have to
> >> imagine the number is very small indeed.A Even 1006, the earliest
> >> known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels. So don't hold your
> >> breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels to appear. :>)
> >>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
> >> Campy
> >>> A A A Wheel education.
> >>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
> >> your aftermarket wheels.A Simply put, I would never wish
> >> three-piece Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for
> >> track use.A We collectively know about multiple failures, which
> >> always led to rapid deflation and a potential accident.A Jack has
> >> often told of the car that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las
> >> Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled
> >> himself; I believe it thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
> >> remember that aspect of the story for sure.A Jack? Larry Stock
> >> had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to sell; a
> >> rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and he had
> >> to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
> >> halfway around.A The other three wheels had similar cracks when
> >> they were taken apart and inspected. And Mad Dog's fire was
> >> indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall wheel; when the left
> >> rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the freeway in Los
> >> Angeles.A What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the
> >> brake line was damaged.A MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires
> >> on and ran the Silver State a day or two later, but when he
> >> stepped on the brakes at the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid
> >> sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest was history. And on and on
> >> and on...I'm sure there are many others. Those wheels were a very
> >> well-intentioned design but they were woefully under-engineered,
> >> and today should be related either to a display case, or a
> >> recycling bin IMHO.... So tell me exactly what kind of wheels
> >> you're talking about here, as the Coddington wheels (which I have
> >> aesthetic problems with, admittedly) are nothing like these Hall
> >> wheels at all.
> >>>> A A A Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the
> >> green primer,
> >>> A A A I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just
> >> to see the
> >>> A A A final results. A A A Photo attached.
> >>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
> >> either.... Cheers! Mike
> >> -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [3]
> >> www.michaelshortt.com <http://www.michaelshortt.com> [4]
> >> michael at michaelshortt.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('michael at michaelshortt.com
> ')>
> >> 912-232-9390 A This email is protected by the Electronic
> >> Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is
> >> confidential and may be legally privileged.A If you are not the
> >> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention,
> >> dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is
> >> strictly prohibited.A Please reply to the sender that you have
> >> received this message in error, then delete it.A Thank you
> >> References
> >> 1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> 2.
> >> mailto:davel at emspace.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> 3.
> >> http://www.michaelshortt.com/ <http://www.michaelshortt.com/> 4.
> >> mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('michael at michaelshortt.com
> ')>
> >> ------------------------------
> >> Message: 9 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:23:36 -0800 From: "Tomas
> >> Gunnarsson" < guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> > To: <
> >> MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> >
> >> Cc: < gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> >,
> >> < detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: <
> >> F6F0EDD7F26440B0970C3CD2C70F6033 at mail2world.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('
> F6F0EDD7F26440B0970C3CD2C70F6033 at mail2world.com')>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >> Mike,
> >> Bill originally wrote: Something that that blocks fluid in the brake
> >> lines to hold calipers pressed against the rotors.
> >>
> >> Aka line loc.
> >>
> >> OEM electric parking brakes work by having an electric motor actuate
> >> the brake via a mechanical device, like a wire.
> >>
> >> Tomas
> >>
> >>
> >> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> >> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso [ detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> ]
> >> Sent: 13/1/2016 8:51:53 PM To: guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> ;
> >> gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
> >> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >>
> >> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
> >>
> >>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency brake
> >>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the
> >>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
> >>
> >>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about
> >>>>> an
> >> (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the OEMs
> >> and is in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective to
> >> satisfy government regulations worldwide). Such systems are now
> >> available in the aftermarket.
> >> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
> >> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
> >> 'arm' that is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know
> >> that for sure?
> >> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient to
> >> hold a car for any length of time; they are designed for very
> >> short-term use only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than
> >> an inch) crashing into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow
> >> it and the fool parked it overnight on a slope in neutral with the
> >> line lock engaged. As the brakes cooled at night, they released and
> >> the car rolled through a lot crowded with collector cars, brushed past
> >> the Aston and crashed through a hedge and down into a ditch!
> >> Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been very bad indeed.
> >> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
> >> much more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would
> >> still hold pressure even as the fluid cooled. However, it would not
> >> serve as a proper emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure
> >> (say, a seal blew out in a caliper) whereas a cable-type system that
> >> mechanically leverages the components of the caliper requires no
> >> hydraulics to work.
> >> Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30 years...park
> >> wisely and hope for the best!) -------------- next part --------------
> >> Mike,
> >> Bill originally wrote: Something that that blocks fluid in the brake
> >> lines to hold calipers pressed against the rotors.
> >> Aka line loc.
> >> OEM electric parking brakes work by having an electric motor actuate
> >> the brake via a mechanical device, like a wire.
> >> Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Mike Drew
> >> via DeTomaso [ detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> ]
> >> Sent: 13/1/2016 8:51:53 PM To: guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> ;
> >> gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
> >> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes In a message dated 1/13/16 8
> >> 03 59, guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
> >>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency brake
> >>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the
> >>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
> >>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about
> >>>>> an
> >> (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the
> >> OEMs and is in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently
> >> effective to satisfy government regulations worldwide). Such systems
> >> are now available in the aftermarket. I confess I don't know if
> >> OEM electric parking brake systems work by pressurizing the fluid in
> >> the line, or if they are a simple mechanical 'arm' that is pulling
> >> on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for sure?
> >> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient to
> >> hold a car for any length of time; they are designed for very
> >> short-term use only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less
> >> than an inch) crashing into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a
> >> friend borrow it and the fool parked it overnight on a slope in
> >> neutral with the line lock engaged. As the brakes cooled at night,
> >> they released and the car rolled through a lot crowded with
> >> collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a hedge and
> >> down into a ditch! Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been
> >> very bad indeed. A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake
> >> hydraulics would be much more effective because it has its own
> >> master cylinder that would still hold pressure even as the fluid
> >> cooled. However, it would not serve as a proper emergency brake if
> >> there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal blew out in a caliper)
> >> whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages the
> >> components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work. Mike (who
> >> has had no parking brake at all for the past 30 years...park wisely
> >> and hope for the best!)
> >> ------------------------------
> >> Message: 10 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:30:22 -0800 From: Larry Stock <
> >> larrys at panteraparts.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('larrys at panteraparts.com')>
> >>> To: < MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> >, <
> >> davel at emspace.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> >, <
> >> detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >,
> >> < michael at michaelshortt.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('michael at michaelshortt.com
> ')>
> >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID:
> >> <D2BC0041.15C59F% larrys at panteraparts.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('larrys at panteraparts.com')>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
> >> I am taking in a set of 8?s and 10?s X15? Campy?s with new tires next
> >> week on a sale and trade I am doing. Since you guys are talking about
> >> these, I am going to have a set available in the next week or so.
> >> E-mail me for more info and details. Larrys at PanteraParts.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('Larrys at PanteraParts.com')>
> >> (1-800-DeTomaso) 800-338-6627
> >>
> >> On 1/13/16, 12:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" <
> >> detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> ')>
> >> on behalf of detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >
> >> wrote:
> >>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com
> >>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')>
> >>> writes:
> >>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. I think
> >>> that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
> >>> unsprung weight for track use? dave
> >>>>>> Interesting. This was apparently a reply to an original post by
> >>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
> >>> wind up in my spam folder? I'm noting some irregularities with the
> >>> forum these days....anyway, thankfully Dave included Michael's
> >>> original post, so see replies below:
> >>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: Greetings,
> >>>> After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
> >>> inventory today,
> >>>> I have 21 Campy wheels,
> >>>
> >>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
> >>>
> >>>> 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
> >>> Triple
> >>>> Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
> >>> for Hall
> >>>> Pantera.
> >>>
> >>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall? He did
> >>> make them for several other vendors, in several different styles,
> >>> some markedly better than others. Can you share some images perhaps
> >>> to help in identification? Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke
> >>> Si-looking wheels that were welded together, and perhaps Coddington
> >>> was the source for those?
> >>>>> And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
> >>>
> >>>>>> What kind of wheels are those? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
> >>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
> >>> they have at least. :>)
> >>>>
> >>>> I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use, And one
> >>>> set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
> >>> Rally and
> >>>> Track use.
> >>>
> >>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
> >>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
> >>> center spinner? Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with
> >>> the latter being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've
> >>> ever encountered).
> >>>> I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
> >>> Blackwalls
> >>>> and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
> >>> With a spare
> >>>> Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
> >>>
> >>>>>> Sounds good!
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
> >>> Sell or
> >>>> Trade. Photos Available.
> >>>
> >>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia? What kind are
> >>> they? Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some
> >>> L-model wheels?
> >>>> I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
> >>>
> >>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life. These
> >>> were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.
> >>> I have no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen
> >>> any other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is
> >>> very small indeed. Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant,
> >>> had single slot wheels. So don't hold your breath waiting for a
> >>> full set of three-slot wheels to appear. :>)
> >>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
> >>> Campy
> >>>> Wheel education.
> >>>
> >>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
> >>> your aftermarket wheels. Simply put, I would never wish three-piece
> >>> Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use. We
> >>> collectively know about multiple failures, which always led to rapid
> >>> deflation and a potential accident. Jack has often told of the car
> >>> that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit
> >>> speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe i...
-------------- next part --------------
Best...debate follows.
If you are anal and want to do it perfectly, sure.
Best glass option, dual pane set up with small air gap.
Other wise saftey glass, or lexan.
NEVER Plexiglass, in a crash, it can crack and if pushed the wrong
way...well...cut your head off.
Michael Shortt
On Jan 16, 2016 11:40 AM, "tom ware" <[1]ace595 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Rear window?
Since the project I purchased (73 L) was apart I have many
questions!
Before I install the engine is it best to fit / install the rear
window?
Plexiglass? Lexan? Acrylic?
Should I make my own? Thickness?
I do have templates
Thanks for everyone's help!
And feed back
Tom
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>A A 4. Re: parking brakes (B Hower)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 08:23:50 +0000 (UTC)
> From: gudmund fr?land <[9]gudmundfroiland at yahoo.no>
> To: 'marshall smith' <[10]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,A A
'Tomas
>A A Gunnarsson' <[11]guson at home.se>,A
<[12]gaino at earthlink.net>,A A Stephen
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
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> Is there any here who have tried to install more normal E-Brake
handle that have the wire going in on the handle instead of the rod.
I am thinking that if the handle are replaced with fex BMW handle it
would give a lot better leaver force instead of the arm down under
the car are about same length as the handle inside car.
> Den fre 2016-01-15 skrev Stephen <[16]steve at snclocks.com>:
>
> Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> Til: "'marshall smith'" <[17]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
"'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <[18]guson at home.se>, [19]gaino at earthlink.net
> Kopi: [20]detomaso at poca.com
> Dato: Fredag 15. januar 2016 05.36
>
> Fortunately my wife has
> strong arms - that is the thing about our e-brakes - the
> passenger needs to set and release them.
>
> Stephen Nelson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marshall smith [mailto:[21]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
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> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09
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> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <[22]guson at home.se>;
[23]gaino at earthlink.net;
> Stephen <[24]steve at snclocks.com>
> Cc: [25]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
> Yikes....I could never trust
> my E brake on 'this' hill!
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <[26]steve at snclocks.com>
> wrote:
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>A Subject: Re:
> [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>A To:
> "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <[27]guson at home.se>, [28]gaino at earthlink.net
>A Cc: [29]detomaso at poca.com
>A Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
>
> ? ? Whilst
> `inelegant',
>A at least the stock system
> works well.? I installed
> ? ? Wildwoods on
> the front of the discs and? kept the originals on the
> ? ? back.? I did have the originals
>A coated black - heck, doesn't look that
> ? ? bad.
>
>
>
> ? ? Stephen Nelson
>
>
> ? ? -----Original
> Message-----
> ? ? From: DeTomaso [mailto:[30]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
>A On Behalf Of Tomas
> ? ?
> Gunnarsson
> ? ? Sent: Wednesday, January
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> ? ? To: [31]gaino at earthlink.net
> ? ? Cc: [32]detomaso at poca.com
> ? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>
> ? ?
> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't? work as
> an emergency brake
> ? ? and parking brake
> function is dubious. If? you park your car with the
> ? ? brakes hot they may release when they
> cool? off.
>
> ? ? Tomas
>
>
> ? ?
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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> ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ?
> From: bill gaino [[33]gaino at earthlink.net]
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> ? ? Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29
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> ? ? Subject: [DeTomaso]
> parking brakes
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> ? ? Is anybody using a solinoid based
> parking? brake? Something that that
> ? ?
> blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold? calipers pressed
> against the
> ? ? rotors. My customer does
> not want the? extra set of E brake calipers..
>
> ? ? like IPSCO offers. Bill
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> Subject: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
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> Hi all,
> What would be the best suggestion for a high power output,
complete
> Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit , if such complete kit
exists?
> When I mean " best suggestion " , that is the best value-
reliability-
> power-torque- fun and money ratio for a quick street engine .
Complicated
> ratio.... :>))
> What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine )
Cleveland
> heads.
> Just curious....
> Thank you !
> Pat
> Candy 2862 - ADA 9628
> -------------- next part --------------
>A A Hi all,A
>A A What would be the best suggestion for a high power output,
complete
>A A Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit , if such complete kit
exists?A
>A A When I mean " best suggestion " , that is the best value-
reliability-
>A A power-torque- fun and money ratio for a quick street engine .
>A A Complicated ratio.... :>))
>A A What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine )
Cleveland
>A A heads.
>A A Just curious....
>A A Thank you !
>A A Pat
>A A Candy 2862 - ADA 9628
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 06:38:09 -0500
> From: Will Kooiman <[52]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: Patrick HALS <[53]patrickhals at gmail.com>,A A
"[54]detomaso at poca.com"
>A A <[55]detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
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> Best will vary depending on who you talk to.
>
> I was very happy with my 377?, offset ground stock crank stroker
kit from
> Dennis Quella.A I killed that engine due to a mistake I made -
not related
> to the stroker kit.
>
> I am also very happy with the 408", 4? SCAT crank kit that I
currently
> have.
>
> These days, it?s hard to go wrong with anything.
>
> On 1/15/16, 4:36 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Patrick HALS"
> <[57]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of
[58]patrickhals at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>A Hi all,A
>>A What would be the best suggestion for a high power output,
complete
>>A Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit , if such complete kit
exists?A
>>A When I mean " best suggestion " , that is the best value-
reliability-
>>A power-torque- fun and money ratio for a quick street engine .
>>A Complicated ratio.... :>))
>>A What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine )
Cleveland
>>A heads.
>>A Just curious....
>>A Thank you !
>>A Pat
>>A Candy 2862 - ADA 9628
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> From: B Hower <[61]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
> To: Stephen <[62]steve at snclocks.com>,A A 'marshall smith'
>A A <[63]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,A A 'Tomas Gunnarsson'
<[64]guson at home.se>,
>A A "[65]gaino at earthlink.net" <[66]gaino at earthlink.net>
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> Question?? Aren't you supposed to apply brake pedal to apply pad
pressure while setting the E-brake, thus you are only taking slack
out of lever system? Am missing something here?
> ?Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
not be ! )
>
>
>A A A From: Stephen <[70]steve at snclocks.com>
> To: 'marshall smith' <[71]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; 'Tomas
Gunnarsson' <[72]guson at home.se>; [73]gaino at earthlink.net
> Cc: [74]detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
> Fortunately my wife has strong arms - that is the thing about our
e-brakes - the passenger needs to set and release them.
>
> Stephen Nelson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marshall smith [mailto:[75]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09 AM
> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <[76]guson at home.se>;
[77]gaino at earthlink.net; Stephen <[78]steve at snclocks.com>
> Cc: [79]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
> Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <[80]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <[81]guson at home.se>,
[82]gaino at earthlink.net
> Cc: [83]detomaso at poca.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
>
> ? ? Whilst `inelegant',
> at least the stock system works well.? I installed
> ? ? Wildwoods on the front of the discs and? kept the originals on
the
> ? ? back.? I did have the originals
> coated black - heck, doesn't look that
> ? ? bad.
>
>
> ? ? Stephen Nelson
>
>
> ? ? -----Original Message-----
> ? ? From: DeTomaso [mailto:[84]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
> On Behalf Of Tomas
> ? ? Gunnarsson
> ? ? Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
> ? ? To: [85]gaino at earthlink.net
> ? ? Cc: [86]detomaso at poca.com
> ? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>
> ? ? That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't? work as an
emergency brake
> ? ? and parking brake function is dubious. If? you park your car
with the
> ? ? brakes hot they may release when they cool? off.
>
> ? ? Tomas
>
>
> ? ? <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? From: bill gaino [[87]gaino at earthlink.net]
>
> ? ? Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
>
> ? ? To: [1][88]detomaso at poca.com
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> ? ? Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>
> ? ? Is anybody using a solinoid based parking? brake? Something
that that
> ? ? blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold? calipers pressed
against the
> ? ? rotors. My customer does not want the? extra set of E brake
calipers..
>
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>A A Question?? Aren't you supposed to apply brake pedal to apply
pad
>A A pressure while setting the E-brake, thus you are only taking
slack out
>A A of lever system? Am missing something here?
>
>A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there
may not be
>A A ! )
>A A
A __________________________________________________________________
>
>A A From: Stephen <[102]steve at snclocks.com>
>A A To: 'marshall smith' <[103]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>;
'Tomas Gunnarsson'
>A A <[104]guson at home.se>; [105]gaino at earthlink.net
>A A Cc: [106]detomaso at poca.com
>A A Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:36 PM
>A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>A A Fortunately my wife has strong arms - that is the thing about
our
>A A e-brakes - the passenger needs to set and release them.
>A A Stephen Nelson
>A A -----Original Message-----
>A A From: marshall smith
[mailto:[1][107]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
>A A Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09 AM
>A A To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <[2][108]guson at home.se>;
[3][109]gaino at earthlink.net;
>A A Stephen <[4][110]steve at snclocks.com>
>A A Cc: [5][111]detomaso at poca.com
>A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>A A Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
>A A --------------------------------------------
>A A On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <[6][112]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
>A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>A A To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <[7][113]guson at home.se>,
[8][114]gaino at earthlink.net
>A A Cc: [9][115]detomaso at poca.com
>A A Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
>A A A A Whilst `inelegant',
>A A at least the stock system works well.A I installed
>A A A A Wildwoods on the front of the discs andA kept the
originals on the
>A A A A back.A I did have the originals
>A A coated black - heck, doesn't look that
>A A A A bad.
>A A A A Stephen Nelson
>A A A A -----Original Message-----
>A A A A From: DeTomaso
[mailto:[10][116]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
>A A On Behalf Of Tomas
>A A A A Gunnarsson
>A A A A Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
>A A A A To: [11][117]gaino at earthlink.net
>A A A A Cc: [12][118]detomaso at poca.com
>A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>A A A A That's simply not a good solution. Doesn'tA work as an
emergency
>A A brake
>A A A A and parking brake function is dubious. IfA you park
your car with
>A A the
>A A A A brakes hot they may release when they coolA off.
>A A A A Tomas
>A A A A <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
>
>A A A A From: bill gaino [[13][119]gaino at earthlink.net]
>A A A A Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
>A A A A To: [1][14][120]detomaso at poca.com
>A A A A Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>A A A A Is anybody using a solinoid based parkingA brake?
Something that
>A A that
>A A A A blocks fluid in the brake lines to holdA calipers
pressed against
>A A the
>A A A A rotors. My customer does not want theA extra set of E
brake
>A A calipers..
>A A A A like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 07:59:24 -0500
> From: Will Kooiman <[160]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: B Hower <[161]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>, Stephen
<[162]steve at snclocks.com>,
>A A 'marshall smith' <[163]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,A A
'Tomas Gunnarsson'
>A A <[164]guson at home.se>,A A "[165]gaino at earthlink.net"
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> Cc: "[167]detomaso at poca.com" <[168]detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> Message-ID: <[169]D2BE5702.128F1E%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
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> You're not supposed to apply the brake pedal when you set the
e-brake.
>
> You just yank on the handle and you're set.
>
> That's why it's also an emergency brake.A If your hydraulics go
out, you
> can use your hand brake in an emergency.
>
> --
> Will
>
>
>
>
>
>> On 1/15/16 6:41 AM, "B Hower via DeTomaso"
<[170]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>>
>>A Question?? Aren't you supposed to apply brake pedal to apply
pad
>>A pressure while setting the E-brake, thus you are only taking
slack out
>>A of lever system? Am missing something here?
>>
>>A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
not be
>>A ! )
>>A A
__________________________________________________________________
>>
>>A From: Stephen <[171]steve at snclocks.com>
>>A To: 'marshall smith' <[172]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>;
'Tomas Gunnarsson'
>>A <[173]guson at home.se>; [174]gaino at earthlink.net
>>A Cc: [175]detomaso at poca.com
>>A Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:36 PM
>>A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>A Fortunately my wife has strong arms - that is the thing about
our
>>A e-brakes - the passenger needs to set and release them.
>>A Stephen Nelson
>>A -----Original Message-----
>>A From: marshall smith
[mailto:[1][176]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
>>A Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09 AM
>>A To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <[2][177]guson at home.se>;
[3][178]gaino at earthlink.net;
>>A Stephen <[4][179]steve at snclocks.com>
>>A Cc: [5][180]detomaso at poca.com
>>A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>A Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
>>A --------------------------------------------
>>A On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <[6][181]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
>>A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>A To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <[7][182]guson at home.se>,
[8][183]gaino at earthlink.net
>>A Cc: [9][184]detomaso at poca.com
>>A Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
>>A A A Whilst `inelegant',
>>A at least the stock system works well.A I installed
>>A A A Wildwoods on the front of the discs andA kept the
originals on the
>>A A A back.A I did have the originals
>>A coated black - heck, doesn't look that
>>A A A bad.
>>A A A Stephen Nelson
>>A A A -----Original Message-----
>>A A A From: DeTomaso
[mailto:[10][185]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
>>A On Behalf Of Tomas
>>A A A Gunnarsson
>>A A A Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
>>A A A To: [11][186]gaino at earthlink.net
>>A A A Cc: [12][187]detomaso at poca.com
>>A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>A A A That's simply not a good solution. Doesn'tA work as an
emergency
>>A brake
>>A A A and parking brake function is dubious. IfA you park your
car with
>>A the
>>A A A brakes hot they may release when they coolA off.
>>A A A Tomas
>>A A A <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>
>>
>>A A A From: bill gaino [[13][188]gaino at earthlink.net]
>>A A A Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
>>A A A To: [1][14][189]detomaso at poca.com
>>A A A Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>A A A Is anybody using a solinoid based parkingA brake?
Something that
>>A that
>>A A A blocks fluid in the brake lines to holdA calipers
pressed against
>>A the
>>A A A rotors. My customer does not want theA extra set of E
brake
>>A calipers..
>>A A A like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
>>
>>A
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 13:19:59 +0000 (GMT)
> From: [231]cengles at cox.net
> To: [232]jderyke at aol.com
> Cc: [233]ace595 at hotmail.com, [234]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16
> Message-ID: <[235]2d425f.13d91.15245714f4d.Webtop.0 at cox.net>
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> Dear Jack,
>
>A A A A A You wrote:
>
>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A " the stock al-asbestos-al
heat shield. "
>
>A $$$$$$$$A A Ah-hah!A A I thought that there was some asbestos
in there
> somewhere, but I could not be sure. Obviously, it is sandwiched
between
> the aluminum layers.A Thanks for bolstering my fuzzy memory.
>
>
>A A A A A A A A A A A A A Warmest regards,A Chuck
Engles
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Engles <[236]cengles at cox.net>
> To: 'tom ware' <[237]ace595 at hotmail.com>; detomaso
<[238]detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 5:26 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16
>
> Dear Tom,
>
> I am not an expert, but....
>
> last year I removed the gas tank from my late '74 Pantera, which
has had
> the
> stainless steel treatment for the last twenty five years.A Behind
the
> bling
> is the base stock thick aluminum(?) which is not a single layer.
There
> are
> at least two layers and there *might* be a layer in between.A
That is my
> guess and I will defer to an expert.
>
> I think that the normal stainless steel shield installation is
over the
> stock one.A Perhaps it is heavier, but it would tend to further
shield
> the
> gas tank from the headers' heat.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [ mailto:[239]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>
<javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[240]detomaso-bounces at p
oca.com')>
> ] On Behalf Of tom ware
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:58 PM
> To: [241]detomaso at poca.com
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<javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[242]detomaso at poca.com'
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16
>
> Gas tank shield ?
> I have a new stainless steel shield that came with my project.
> Is it the norm to insulate it for heat.?
> Thanks
> Tom
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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>> brakes (Charles McCall)A 12. Re: parking brakes (Tomas
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>> Campagnolo Wheels (marshall smith)A 17. Re: Campagnolo Wheels
(Michael
>> Shortt)A 18. Re: parking brakes (Ken Green)A 19. Re: parking
brakes
>> (Scott Bell)A 20. NPC 91 Merc parts (B Hower)A 21. NPC 2000 BMW
740i
>> Sport for whole or parts (Rob Dumoulin)A 22. Re: NPC 2000 BMW
740i
>> Sport for whole or partsA A A (Mirril M. McMullen)A 23. Re:
NPC 2000
>> BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts (Rob Dumoulin)A 24. Re: NPC
2000 BMW
>> 740i Sport for whole or parts (Rob Dumoulin)A 25. Re: parking
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>> Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:27:31 -0800 From: "Tomas
>> Gunnarsson" < [263]guson at home.se
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>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front
side of
>> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard
that
>> not all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that
only
>> newer cars that suffer from that.
>> Tomas
>>
>>
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>A A A A From: bill gaino [ [273]gaino at earthlink.net
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>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>
>> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position
to
>> use as Ebrake?A He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey
wired
>> on the rear mounts..Bill 1362
>>
>>
>>A A -----Original Message-----A A From: StephenA A Sent: Jan
13, 2016
>> 11:21 AMA A To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' , [281]gaino at earthlink.net
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>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>
>>
>>A A Whilst 'inelegant', at least the stock system works well.A I
>> installed Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the
originals
>> on the back.A I did have the originals coated black - heck,
doesn't
>> look that bad.
>>
>>
>>A A Stephen Nelson
>>
>>
>>A A -----Original Message-----A A From: DeTomaso [
>> mailto:[285]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>
>>
>>A A That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an
emergency
>> brake and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car
with
>> the brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>>
>>
>>A A Tomas
>>
>>
>>A A <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>
>>
>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A From: bill gaino
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>>A A Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
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>>
>>A A Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something
that
>> that blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed
against
>> the rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake
>> calipers..
>>A A like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
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>> . -------------- next part --------------A A Yes Bill, most
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>> have installed calipers on the front side ofA A the uprights,
the holes
>> were threaded and all. I think I heard that notA A all uprights
are
>> drilled front and back but it may be that only newerA A cars
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>> stock calipers in the front position to useA A as Ebrake?A He
already
>> has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired onA A the rear
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>> 1362
>>A A -----Original Message-----A A A From: StephenA A A Sent:
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>>A Whilst `inelegant', at least the stock system works well.A I
>> installedA A Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the
originals
>> on theA A back.A I did have the originals coated black - heck,
doesn't
>> look thatA A bad.
>>
>>A Stephen Nelson
>>
>>A -----Original Message-----A A From: DeTomaso [
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>>A That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
>> brakeA A and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your
car
>> with theA A brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>>A Tomas
>>
>>A <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
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>>A Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>
>>A Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that
that
>> blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against
the
>> rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake
calipers..
>>A like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
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>> [361]MikeLDrew at aol.com
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>> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, [371]guson at home.se
>>
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writes:
>>
>>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
brake
>>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with
the
>>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>>
>>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock.A A He's
asking about
>>>>> an
>> (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the
OEMs
>> and
> is
>> in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective to
satisfy
>> government regulations worldwide).A A Such systems are now
available in
>> the
>
>> aftermarket.
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
by
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
mechanical
> 'arm' that
>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake?A A Does anybody know
that for
> sure?
>>
>> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is
insufficient to
> hold
>> a car for any length of time; they are designed for very
short-term
>> use only.A A Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than
an inch)
> crashing
>> into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow it and the
fool
> parked it
>> overnight on a slope in neutral with the line lock engaged.A
A As the
> brakes
>> cooled at night, they released and the car rolled through a lot
>> crowded
> with
>> collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a
hedge and
> down
>> into a ditch!A A Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have
been very
>> bad
>
>> indeed.
>> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would
be
>> much more effective because it has its own master cylinder that
would
>> still
> hold
>> pressure even as the fluid cooled.A A However, it would not
serve as a
> proper
>> emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal
blew out
>> in
> a
>> caliper) whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages
the
>> components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work.
>> Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30
years...park
>> wisely and hope for the best!) -------------- next part
--------------
>> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, [373]guson at home.se
>>
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writes:
>>A A That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an
emergency
>> brakeA A A and parking brake function is dubious. If you park
your car
>> with theA A A brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock.A He's asking
about
>>A an (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered
by the
>> OEMs and is in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently
effective
>> to satisfy government regulations worldwide).A Such systems are
now
>> available in the aftermarket.A A I confess I don't know if OEM
electric
>> parking brake systems work byA A pressurizing the fluid in the
line, or
>> if they are a simple mechanicalA A 'arm' that is pulling on a
>> mechanical parking brake?A Does anybody knowA A that for
sure?A A You're
>> correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient toA
A hold
>> a car for any length of time; they are designed for veryA
A short-term
>> use only.A Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less thanA
A an
>> inch) crashing into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend
borrow
>> it and the fool parked it overnight on a slope in neutral with
the
>> lineA A lock engaged.A As the brakes cooled at night, they
released and
>> the carA A rolled through a lot crowded with collector cars,
brushed
>> past theA A Aston and crashed through a hedge and down into a
ditch!
>> FortunatelyA A it was unhurt, but it could have been very bad
indeed.
>> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would
be
>> muchA A more effective because it has its own master cylinder
that
>> would stillA A hold pressure even as the fluid cooled.A
However, it
>> would not serve asA A a proper emergency brake if there was a
hydraulic
>> failure (say, a sealA A blew out in a caliper) whereas a
cable-type
>> system that mechanicallyA A leverages the components of the
caliper
>> requires no hydraulics to work.A A Mike (who has had no parking
brake
>> at all for the past 30 years...parkA A wisely and hope for the
best!)
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 3 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:51:57 -0500 From:
>> [375]MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>
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>> [377]gaino at earthlink.net
>>
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t')> ,
>> [379]steve at snclocks.com
>>
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: <
>> [385]72fdc9.23690f23.43c804dd at aol.com
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>> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, [387]gaino at earthlink.net
>>
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t')>
>> writes:
>>
>>> ?? Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front
position
>>> to use ?? as Ebrake?? He already has the Wilwoods installed and
>>> saftey wired on ?? the rear mounts.
>>
>>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.A
A The
>> calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the
rear of
>> the wheelwell.A A If the calipers are repositioned the cables
will no
>> longer
> fit, plus if
>> longer ones were used, they would foul the driveshafts on their
way
>> forward.A A The only possible way to make a system like that
work would
>> be
> to
>> reposition the cables so they entered the wheelwells ahead of,
instead
>> of
> behind
>> the hub carriers, and there would be a fair bit of engineering
>> involved.
> I
>> suppose it might be possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial
> exercise.
>>
>> Mike -------------- next part --------------A A In a message
dated
>> 1/13/16 9 15 10, [389]gaino at earthlink.net
>>
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t')>
>> writes:
>>A A A A Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front
>> positionA A A to useA A A A as Ebrake?A He already has the
Wilwoods
>> installed and safteyA A A wired onA A A A the rear mounts.
>>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.A
The
>>A calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the
rear
>> ofA A the wheelwell.A If the calipers are repositioned the
cables will
>> noA A longer fit, plus if longer ones were used, they would foul
the
>> driveshafts on their way forward.A The only possible way to make
a
>> system like that work would be to reposition the cables so they
>> enteredA A the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind the hub
carriers,
>> and thereA A would be a fair bit of engineering involved.A I
suppose it
>> might beA A possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial
exercise.
>> Mike
>> ------------------------------
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>> [399]72fddd.5edc2feb.43c804e3 at aol.com
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>> In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, [401]guson at home.se
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writes:
>>
>>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front
side of
>>> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard
that
>>> not all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that
only
>>> newer cars that suffer from that.
>>
>>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes
only
>>>>> on
>> one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a
>> production
>
>> standpoint).
>> Mike -------------- next part --------------A A In a message
dated
>> 1/13/16 11 28 28, [403]guson at home.se
>>
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writes:
>>A A Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the
front side
>> ofA A A the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think
I heard
>> thatA A A notA A all uprights are drilled front and back but
it may be
>> that onlyA A A newerA cars that suffer from that.
>>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes
only
>>A on one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb
from a
>> production standpoint).A A Mike
>> ------------------------------
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>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [415]davel at emspace.com
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>>
>>>
>>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. I think
that's
>>> fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the unsprung
weight
>>> for track use? dave
>>>
>>>>> Interesting.A A This was apparently a reply to an original
post by
>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
wind
>> up
> in my
>> spam folder?
>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these
days....anyway,
>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
>> below:
>>
>>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: ? ?? Greetings,
>>>> ? ?? After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>>>> inventory
>>> today,
>>>> ? ?? I have 21 Campy wheels,
>>>
>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>
>>
>>
>>>> ? ?? 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and
Zero
>>>> Triple ? ?? Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington
>>>> Wheels made for
>>> Hall
>>>> ? ?? Pantera.
>>
>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?A
A He did
>>>>> make
>> them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some
>> markedly
>
>> better than others.A A Can you share some images perhaps to help
in
>> identification?
>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that
were
> welded
>> together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
>>>>> ? ?? And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and
245/40.
>>>
>>>>> What kind of wheels are those?A A 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
they
> have at least. :>
>> )
>>>>
>>>> ? ?? I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use, ?
?? And
>>>> one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for Rally
> and
>>>> ? ?? Track use.
>>>
>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or
Hall
> wheels
>> which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
>> spinner?
>
>> Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the latter being
the
>> only
>
>> genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever encountered).
>>
>>>> ? ?? I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with
skinny
>>> Blackwalls
>>>> ? ?? and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
With
>>>> a
>>> spare
>>>> ? ?? Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>>
>>>>> Sounds good!
>>>>
>>>>> ? ?? That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose
of.
>>>>> Sell
>>> or
>>>> ? ?? Trade. Photos Available.
>>>
>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?A A What kind
are
>>>>> they?
>
>> Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
>> wheels?
>>>> ? ?? I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>>
>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.A
A These
>>>>> were
>> an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.A
A I have
>> no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any
>> other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is
very
>> small indeed.
> Even
>> 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels.
>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot
wheels
>> to appear. :>)
>>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
Campy
>>>> ? ?? Wheel education.
>>>
>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned
about
>>>>> your
>> aftermarket wheels.A A Simply put, I would never wish
three-piece Hall
> wheels
>> on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.A A We
collectively
> know
>> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and
a
> potential
>> accident.A A Jack has often told of the car that was zorching
down Mt.
>> Ch arleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his
Hall
>> wheel dismantled himself; I believe it thrust the car into the
>> scenery, but
> can't
>> remember that aspect of the story for sure.A A Jack?
>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying
to
>> sell;
>
>> a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and
he had
>> to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
>> halfway
> around.
>> The other three wheels had similar cracks when they were taken
apart
>> and inspected.
>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his
Hall
>> wheel;
>
>> when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the
freeway in
>> Los
>
>> Angeles.A A What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the
brake
>> line
> was
>> damaged.A A MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran
the
>> Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped on the
brakes at
>> the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the
exhaust and
>> the rest was history.
>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
>> woefully under-engineered, and today should be related either to
a
>> display case, or
> a
>> recycling bin IMHO....
>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here,
as
>> the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,
>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
>>>>> ? ?? Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the
green
>>> primer,
>>>> ? ?? I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just
to
>>>> see
>>> the
>>>> ? ?? final results. ? ?? Photo attached.
>>>
>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the
photo
>> either....
>> Cheers!
>> Mike -------------- next part --------------A A In a message
dated
>> 1/10/16 21 39 38, [417]davel at emspace.com
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>> writes:
>>A A My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.A A A I
think
>> that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
>> unsprung weight for track use?A A A dave
>>>>> Interesting.A This was apparently a reply to an original post
by
>>A Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did
it
>> windA A up in my spam folder?A A I'm noting some irregularities
with the
>> forum these days....anyway,A A thankfully Dave included
Michael's
>> original post, so see replies below:
>>>A A On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:A A Greetings,
>>>A A After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>>A A inventory today,
>>>A A I have 21 Campy wheels,
>>
>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>
>>>A A 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>>A A Triple
>>>A A Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels
made
>>A A for Hall
>>>A A Pantera.
>>
>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?A He
did
>>A make them for several other vendors, in several different
styles,
>> someA A markedly better than others.A Can you share some images
perhaps
>> to helpA A in identification?A A Hall did have somebody cast up
>> ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that wereA A welded together, and
perhaps
>> Coddington was the source for those?
>>>>A A And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and
245/40.
>>
>>>>> What kind of wheels are those?A 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
they
>> have at least. :>)
>>>
>>>A A I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,A A
And one
>>> set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>>A A Rally and
>>>A A Track use.
>>
>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or
Hall
>>A wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a
fake
>> centerA A spinner?A Those are as different as chalk and cheese
(with
>> the latterA A being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels
I've
>> everA A encountered).
>>>A A I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>>A A Blackwalls
>>>A A and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>>A A With a spare
>>>A A Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>
>>>>> Sounds good!
>>
>>>
>>>>A A That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose
of.
>>A A Sell or
>>>A A Trade. Photos Available.
>>
>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?A What kind
are
>>A they?A Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for
some
>> L-modelA A wheels?
>>>A A I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>
>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.A
These
>>A were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile
prototype.
>> IA A have no idea how many were put into production but I've
never seen
>> any other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number
is
>> veryA A small indeed.A Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera
extant,
>> had singleA A slot wheels.A A So don't hold your breath waiting
for a
>> full set of three-slot wheelsA A to appear. :>)
>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>>A A Campy
>>>A A Wheel education.
>>
>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned
about
>>A your aftermarket wheels.A Simply put, I would never wish
three-piece
>> Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for track
use.A We
>> collectively know about multiple failures, which always led to
rapid
>> deflation and a potential accident.A Jack has often told of the
car
>> that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple
digit
>> speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe
it
>> thrust the car into the scenery, but can't remember that aspect
of the
>> story for sure.A Jack?A A Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
>> Concorso that he was trying toA A sell; a rear wheel simply blew
apart
>> while the car was parked (!) andA A he had to tow it back to
Nevada as
>> it couldn't be fixed--it had crackedA A halfway around.A The
other
>> three wheels had similar cracks when theyA A were taken apart
and
>> inspected.A A And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the
failure
>> of his HallA A wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car
fell
>> down onto theA freeway in Los Angeles.A What wasn't seen was
that
>> during the collapse,A A the brake line was damaged.A MD swapped
his
>> stock wheels w/race tiresA A on and ran the Silver State a day
or two
>> later, but when he stepped onA A the brakes at the finish line,
the
>> line ruptured, fluid sprayed ontoA A the exhaust and the rest
was
>> history.A A And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many
others.
>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
>> woefullyA A under-engineered, and today should be related either
to a
>> display case,A A or a recycling bin IMHO....A A So tell me
exactly what
>> kind of wheels you're talking about here, asA A the Coddington
wheels
>> (which I have aesthetic problems with,A A admittedly) are
nothing like
>> these Hall wheels at all.
>>>>A A Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the
green
>>A A primer,
>>>A A I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just
to
>>A A see the
>>>A A final results.A A Photo attached.
>>
>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the
photo
>>A either....A A Cheers!A A Mike
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>> When I was going through my brakes I wanted to clean out the
e-brake
>> housings and the cables.A So, I cut off the cable ends, took
>> everything apart, took all the old plastic sheath off the
housings,
>> replaced with
> heavy
>> shrink-to-fit, cut the housings to be a better fit with less
excess
> length,
>> lubed with graphite-impregnated grease, then put new ends on the
>> cables to match the length that they needed to be.A Went
together very
>> nicely.
>>
>>
>> It would have been pretty much as simple to change length to
match a
>> front mounting for the originals, but would have likely required
>> cutting a pair
> of
>> holes in the sheet metal - I hate extra holes.
>>
>>
>> For what all that is worth.
>>
>>
>> Stephen Nelson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: [430]MikeLDrew at aol.com
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>> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, [442]gaino at earthlink.net
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>>
>>
>>
>>A Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front
position to
>> useA A as Ebrake?A He already has the Wilwoods installed and
saftey
>> wired onA A the rear mounts.
>>
>>
>>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.A
The
> calipers
>> are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear of the
> wheelwell.
>> If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no longer fit,
plus
>> if longer ones were used, they would foul the driveshafts on
their way
> forward.
>> The only possible way to make a system like that work would be to
> reposition
>> the cables so they entered the wheelwells ahead of, instead of
behind
>> the hub carriers, and there would be a fair bit of engineering
>> involved.A I suppose it might be possible, but it certainly
won't be a
>> trivial
> exercise.
>>
>> Mike
>> -------------- next part -------------- When I was going through
my
>> brakes I wanted to clean out the e-brakeA A housings and the
cables.
>> So, I cut off the cable ends, took everythingA A apart, took all
the
>> old plastic sheath off the housings, replaced withA A heavy
>> shrink-to-fit, cut the housings to be a better fit with lessA
A excess
>> length, lubed with graphite-impregnated grease, then put newA
A ends on
>> the cables to match the length that they needed to be.A Went
>> together very nicely.
>>
>>A It would have been pretty much as simple to change length to
match a
>> front mounting for the originals, but would have likely required
>> cutting a pair of holes in the sheet metal - I hate extra
holes...
>>
>>A For what all that is worth.
>>
>>A Stephen Nelson
>>
>>
>>A From: [446]MikeLDrew at aol.com
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>>A In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, [1]
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>> writes:
>>A A A A Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front
>> positionA A A to useA A A A as Ebrake?A He already has the
Wilwoods
>> installed and safteyA A A wired onA A A A the rear mounts.
>>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.A
The
>>A calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the
rear
>> ofA A the wheelwell.A If the calipers are repositioned the
cables will
>> noA A longer fit, plus if longer ones were used, they would foul
the
>> driveshafts on their way forward.A The only possible way to make
a
>> system like that work would be to reposition the cables so they
>> enteredA A the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind the hub
carriers,
>> and thereA A would be a fair bit of engineering involved.A I
suppose it
>> might beA A possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial
exercise.
>> Mike
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>> Hate to disagree here Mike. The only uprights that were produced
for a
> Pantera that were right or left handed were "some" of Hall
Pantera's
> aluminum uprights, and they originally had mounts on front and
rear. For
> some reason later on in production they were built without both
sets of
> ears.......... never understood why .......as you said dumb idea
!!
>>A A A The Group 4 uprights were manufactured with both sets of
ears.
>> Some
> of you may not know that the GT 5 and the GT 5-S rear uprights
were
> taken
> from the competition Group 4 spares inventory.
>>
>> Leslie A. Gray
>>> On Jan 13, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <
>>> [480]detomaso at poca.com
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>>> In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, [482]guson at home.se
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>>>A A Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the
front side
>>> ofA A the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I
heard
>>> thatA A notA A all uprights are drilled front and back but
it may be
>>> that onlyA A newerA A cars that suffer from that.
>>>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes
only
>>> on one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from
a
>>> production standpoint).A Mike
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>> Message: 8 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 16:20:31 -0500 From: Michael
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID:
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>> none of my wheels are assembled ( fasteners) 3 piece wheels, all
are
> welded
>> or billet.
>> I have driven on the wheels on street, on track and on the Tail
of the
>> Dragon and have had zero issues in 12 years with 2 different
designs,
>> not sure who mad ethe current wheels ( 10 spoke ), but they show
no
>> signs of stress, damage either.
>> It may be my luck, it could be others bad luck, it could be
misuse and
>> driving style.
>> My Dad owned 3 Audi 5000's, he never had any issues either, maybe
>> because he never pressed the gas instead of the brake.
>>
>> Michael Shortt
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, < [500]MikeLDrew at aol.com
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>>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [502]davel at emspace.com
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>>> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. I think
that's
>>> fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the unsprung
weight
>>> for track use? dave
>>>
>>>>>> Interesting.A This was apparently a reply to an original
post by
>>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did
it
>>> wind up in my spam folder?
>>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these
days....anyway,
>>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
>>> below:
>>>
>>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:A A Greetings,
>>>>A A After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
inventory
>>> today,
>>>>A A I have 21 Campy wheels,
>>>
>>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>A A 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>>>> TripleA A Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington
Wheels
>>>> made for
>>> Hall
>>>>A A Pantera.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?A He
did
>>>>>> make
>>> them for several other vendors, in several different styles,
some
> markedly
>>> better than others.A Can you share some images perhaps to help
in
>>> identification?
>>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that
were
>>> welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for
those?
>>>>>A A And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and
245/40.
>>>
>>>>>> What kind of wheels are those?A 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many
spokes
>>> they
> have
>>> at least. :>)
>>>>
>>>>A A I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,A A
And one
>>>> set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for Rally and
>>>> Track use.
>>>
>>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or
Hall
>>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
>>> center spinner?A Those are as different as chalk and cheese
(with the
>>> latter
> being
>>> the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever
encountered).
>>>
>>>>A A I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>>> Blackwalls
>>>>A A and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
With a
>>> spare
>>>>A A Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>>
>>>>>> Sounds good!
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>A A That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose
of.
>>>>> Sell or
>>>>A A Trade. Photos Available.
>>>
>>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?A What kind
are
>>>>>> they?
>>> Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
>>> wheels?
>>>>A A I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>>
>>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.A
These
>>>>>> were
>>> an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.A
I have
>>> no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen
any
>>> other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is
very
>>> small indeed. Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had
>>> single slot wheels.
>>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot
wheels
>>> to appear. :>)
>>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
Campy
>>>> Wheel education.
>>>
>>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned
about
>>>>>> your
>>> aftermarket wheels.A Simply put, I would never wish three-piece
Hall
> wheels
>>> on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.A We
collectively
> know
>>> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and
a
>>> potential accident.A Jack has often told of the car that was
zorching
> down
>>> Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when
his
>>> Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe it thrust the car into
the
>>> scenery,
> but
>>> can't remember that aspect of the story for sure.A Jack?
>>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was
trying to
> sell;
>>> a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and
he
>>> had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had
cracked
>>> halfway around.A The other three wheels had similar cracks when
they
>>> were taken apart and inspected.
>>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his
Hall
> wheel;
>>> when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the
freeway
>>> in
> Los
>>> Angeles.A What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the
brake
>>> line
> was
>>> damaged.A MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran
the
>>> Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped on the
brakes at
>>> the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the
exhaust
>>> and the rest was history.
>>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
>>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
>>> woefully under-engineered, and today should be related either to
a
>>> display case,
> or
>>> a recycling bin IMHO....
>>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about
here, as
>>> the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,
>>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
>>>>>A A Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the
green
>>> primer,
>>>>A A I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just
to see
>>>> theA A final results.A A Photo attached.
>>>
>>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the
photo
>>> either....
>>> Cheers!
>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [504]www.michaelshortt.com
>> <[505]http://www.michaelshortt.com>
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>> communication is strictly prohibited.A Please reply to the
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>> -------------- next part --------------A A none of my wheels are
>> assembled ( fasteners) 3 piece wheels, all areA A welded or
billet.A A I
>> have driven on the wheels on street, on track and on the Tail of
the
>> Dragon and have had zero issues in 12 years with 2 different
designs,
>> not sure who mad ethe current wheels ( 10 spoke ), but they show
no
>> signs of stress, damage either.A A It may be my luck, it could
be
>> others bad luck, it could be misuse andA A driving style.A A My
Dad
>> owned 3 Audi 5000's, he never had any issues either, maybeA
A because
>> he never pressed the gas instead of the brake.A A Michael Shortt
>>A On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, <[1] [508]MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>
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>> wrote:
>>A A In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [2]
[510]davel at emspace.com
>>
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)>
>> writes:A A A My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the
mags.A A A I
>> think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
>> unsprung weight for track use?A A A dave
>>>>> Interesting.AA This was apparently a reply to an original
post by
>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
>> wind up in my spam folder?A A A I'm noting some irregularities
with the
>> forum these days....anyway,A A A thankfully Dave included
Michael's
>> original post, so see repliesA A A below:
>>>A A On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: AA A AA
Greetings,
>>> AA A AA After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>>A A inventory today,
>>> AA A AA I have 21 Campy wheels,
>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>
>>> AA A AA 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and
Zero
>>A A Triple
>>> AA A AA Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington
Wheels
>>A A made for Hall
>>> AA A AA Pantera.
>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?AA He
did
>>A A make them for several other vendors, in several different
styles,
>> some markedly better than others.AA Can you share some images
>> perhaps to help in identification?A A A Hall did have somebody
cast up
>> ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that wereA A A welded together, and
perhaps
>> Coddington was the source for those?
>>>> AA A AA And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and
>>A A 245/40.
>>>>> What kind of wheels are those?AA 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>>A A descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many
spokes
>> they have at least. :>)
>>>
>>> AA A AA I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
AA A A
>>> And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>>A A Rally and
>>> AA A AA Track use.
>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or
Hall
>>A A wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a
fake
>> center spinner?AA Those are as different as chalk and cheese
(with
>> the latter being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've
>> ever encountered).
>>> AA A AA I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with
skinny
>>A A Blackwalls
>>> AA A AA and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for
Photos,
>>A A With a spare
>>> AA A AA Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>>>> Sounds good!A
>>
>>>
>>>> AA A AA That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to
dispose
>>A A of. Sell or
>>> AA A AA Trade. Photos Available.
>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?AA What kind
are
>>A A they?AA Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for
some
>> L-model wheels?
>>> AA A AA I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.A
>> These were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile
>> prototype.A I have no idea how many were put into production but
>> I've never seen any other car wearing them, so I would have to
>> imagine the number is very small indeed.AA Even 1006, the
earliest
>> known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels.A A A So don't
hold your
>> breath waiting for a full set of three-slotA A A wheels to
appear. :>)
>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>>A A Campy
>>> AA A AA Wheel education.
>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned
about
>>A A your aftermarket wheels.AA Simply put, I would never wish
>> three-piece Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for
>> track use.AA We collectively know about multiple failures, which
>> always led to rapid deflation and a potential accident.AA Jack
has
>> often told of the car that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in
Las
>> Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his Hall wheel
dismantled
>> himself; I believe it thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
>> remember that aspect of the story for sure.AA Jack?A A A Larry
Stock
>> had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying toA A
A sell; a
>> rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!)A A and
he had
>> to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it hadA A
A cracked
>> halfway around.AA The other three wheels had similar cracksA A
A when
>> they were taken apart and inspected.A A A And Mad Dog's fire
was
>> indirectly caused by the failure of his HallA A A wheel; when
the left
>> rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto theA A A freeway in
Los
>> Angeles.AA What wasn't seen was that during theA A A collapse,
the
>> brake line was damaged.AA MD swapped his stock wheelsA A
A w/race tires
>> on and ran the Silver State a day or two later, butA A A when
he
>> stepped on the brakes at the finish line, the line ruptured,A A
A fluid
>> sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest was history.A A A And on
and on
>> and on...I'm sure there are many others.A A A Those wheels were
a very
>> well-intentioned design but they wereA A A woefully
under-engineered,
>> and today should be related either to aA A A display case, or a
>> recycling bin IMHO....A A A So tell me exactly what kind of
wheels
>> you're talking about here, asA A A the Coddington wheels (which
I have
>> aesthetic problems with,A admittedly) are nothing like these
Hall
>> wheels at all.
>>>> AA A AA Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to
the
>>A A green primer,
>>> AA A AA I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them
just
>>A A to see the
>>> AA A AA final results. AA A AA Photo attached.
>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the
photo
>>A A either....A A A Cheers! Mike
>>A --A A Michael L. ShorttA A Savannah, GeorgiaA A [3]
>> [512]www.michaelshortt.com <[513]http://www.michaelshortt.com>A
A [4]
>> [514]michael at michaelshortt.com
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>> dissemination, distribution or copying of thisA A communication
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>> mailto:[518]davel at emspace.com
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 9 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:23:36 -0800 From: "Tomas
>> Gunnarsson" < [524]guson at home.se
>>
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To: <
>> [526]MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>
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>> Cc: < [528]gaino at earthlink.net
>>
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t')> >,
>> < [530]detomaso at poca.com
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: <
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> Mike,
>> Bill originally wrote: Something that that blocks fluid in the
brake
>> lines to hold calipers pressed against the rotors.
>>
>> Aka line loc.
>>
>> OEM electric parking brakes work by having an electric motor
actuate
>> the brake via a mechanical device, like a wire.
>>
>> Tomas
>>
>>
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso [ [534]detomaso at poca.com
>>
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)> ]
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 8:51:53 PM To: [536]guson at home.se
>>
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>> [538]gaino at earthlink.net
>>
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>> Cc: [540]detomaso at poca.com
>>
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>
>> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, [542]guson at home.se
>>
<javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[543]guson at home.se')>
writes:
>>
>>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
brake
>>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with
the
>>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>>
>>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking
about
>>>>> an
>> (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the
OEMs
>> and is in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective
to
>> satisfy government regulations worldwide). Such systems are now
>> available in the aftermarket.
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
by
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
mechanical
>> 'arm' that is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody
know
>> that for sure?
>> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is
insufficient to
>> hold a car for any length of time; they are designed for very
>> short-term use only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less
than
>> an inch) crashing into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend
borrow
>> it and the fool parked it overnight on a slope in neutral with
the
>> line lock engaged. As the brakes cooled at night, they released
and
>> the car rolled through a lot crowded with collector cars, brushed
past
>> the Aston and crashed through a hedge and down into a ditch!
>> Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been very bad
indeed.
>> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would
be
>> much more effective because it has its own master cylinder that
would
>> still hold pressure even as the fluid cooled. However, it would
not
>> serve as a proper emergency brake if there was a hydraulic
failure
>> (say, a seal blew out in a caliper) whereas a cable-type system
that
>> mechanically leverages the components of the caliper requires no
>> hydraulics to work.
>> Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30
years...park
>> wisely and hope for the best!) -------------- next part
--------------
>> Mike,
>>A Bill originally wrote: Something that that blocks fluid in the
brake
>> lines to hold calipers pressed against the rotors.
>>A Aka line loc.
>>A OEM electric parking brakes work by having an electric motor
actuate
>> the brake via a mechanical device, like a wire.
>>A TomasA A <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->A A A A From:
Mike Drew
>> via DeTomaso [ [544]detomaso at poca.com
>>
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)> ]
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 8:51:53 PMA A To: [546]guson at home.se
>>
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>> [548]gaino at earthlink.net
>>
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t')>
>> Cc: [550]detomaso at poca.com
>>
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakesA A In a message dated
1/13/16 8
>> 03 59, [552]guson at home.se
>>
<javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[553]guson at home.se')>
writes:
>>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
brake
>>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with
the
>>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking
about
>>>>> an
>>A (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by
the
>> OEMsA A and isA A in wide use (and is, significantly,
sufficiently
>> effective to satisfyA A government regulations worldwide). Such
systems
>> are now available inA A theA A aftermarket.A A I confess I
don't know if
>> OEM electric parking brake systems work byA A pressurizing the
fluid in
>> the line, or if they are a simple mechanicalA A 'arm' thatA
A is pulling
>> on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that forA
A sure?
>> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is
insufficient to
>> holdA A a car for any length of time; they are designed for very
>> short-term useA A only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by
less
>> than an inch)A A crashingA A into an Aston Martin DB4 when he
let a
>> friend borrow it and the foolA A parked itA A overnight on a
slope in
>> neutral with the line lock engaged. As theA A brakesA A cooled
at night,
>> they released and the car rolled through a lot crowdedA A with
>> collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a
hedge and
>> downA A into a ditch! Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could
have been
>> veryA A badA A indeed.A A A solenoid-type system that actuated
the brake
>> hydraulics would be muchA A more effective because it has its
own
>> master cylinder that would stillA A holdA A pressure even as
the fluid
>> cooled. However, it would not serve as aA A properA A emergency
brake if
>> there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal blew outA A in aA
A caliper)
>> whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages the
>> components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work.A
A Mike (who
>> has had no parking brake at all for the past 30 years...parkA
A wisely
>> and hope for the best!)
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 10 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:30:22 -0800 From: Larry
Stock <
>> [554]larrys at panteraparts.com
>>
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>>> To: < [556]MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>
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>> [558]davel at emspace.com
>>
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>> [560]detomaso at poca.com
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>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID:
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>> I am taking in a set of 8?s and 10?s X15? Campy?s with new tires
next
>> week on a sale and trade I am doing. Since you guys are talking
about
>> these, I am going to have a set available in the next week or so.
>> E-mail me for more info and details. Larrys at PanteraParts.com
>>
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>> (1-800-DeTomaso) 800-338-6627
>>
>> On 1/13/16, 12:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
DeTomaso" <
>> [566]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>
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>> wrote:
>>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [570]davel at emspace.com
>>>
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>>> writes:
>>>A A My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.A A I
think
>>> that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
>>> unsprung weight for track use?A A dave
>>>>>> Interesting.A This was apparently a reply to an original
post by
>>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did
it
>>> windA up in my spam folder?A I'm noting some irregularities
with the
>>> forum these days....anyway,A thankfully Dave included Michael's
>>> original post, so see replies below:
>>>>A A On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:A A Greetings,
>>>>A A After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>>>A A inventory today,
>>>>A A I have 21 Campy wheels,
>>>
>>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>>
>>>>A A 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>>>A A Triple
>>>>A A Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels
made
>>>A A for Hall
>>>>A A Pantera.
>>>
>>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?A He
did
>>> make them for several other vendors, in several different
styles,
>>> someA markedly better than others.A Can you share some images
perhaps
>>> to helpA in identification?A Hall did have somebody cast up
ten-spoke
>>> Si-looking wheels that wereA welded together, and perhaps
Coddington
>>> was the source for those?
>>>>>A A And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and
245/40.
>>>
>>>>>> What kind of wheels are those?A 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many
spokes
>>> theyA have at least. :>)
>>>>
>>>>A A I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,A A
And one
>>>> set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>>>A A Rally and
>>>>A A Track use.
>>>
>>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or
Hall
>>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
>>> centerA spinner?A Those are as different as chalk and cheese
(with
>>> the latterA being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels
I've
>>> everA encountered).
>>>>A A I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>>>A A Blackwalls
>>>>A A and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>>>A A With a spare
>>>> Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>>
>>>>>> Sounds good!
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>A A That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose
of.
>>>A A Sell or
>>>>A A Trade. Photos Available.
>>>
>>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?A What kind
are
>>> they?A Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some
>>> L-modelA wheels?
>>>>A A I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>>
>>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.A
These
>>> were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile
prototype.
>>> IA have no idea how many were put into production but I've
never seen
>>> anyA other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the
number is
>>> veryA small indeed.A Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera
extant,
>>> had singleA slot wheels.A So don't hold your breath waiting
for a
>>> full set of three-slot wheelsA to appear. :>)
>>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>>>A A Campy
>>>>A A Wheel education.
>>>
>>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned
about
>>> your aftermarket wheels.A Simply put, I would never wish
three-piece
>>> Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for track
use.A We
>>> collectively know about multiple failures, which always led to
rapid
>>> deflation and a potential accident.A Jack has often told of the
car
>>> that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple
digit
>>> speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I
believe i...
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