[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 18

Michael Shortt michaelsavga at gmail.com
Sat Jan 16 11:59:13 EST 2016


Best...debate follows.

If you are anal and want to do it perfectly, sure.

Best glass option, dual pane set up with small air gap.

Other wise saftey glass, or lexan.
NEVER Plexiglass, in a crash, it can crack and if pushed the wrong
way...well...cut your head off.

Michael Shortt
On Jan 16, 2016 11:40 AM, "tom ware" <ace595 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Rear window?
> Since the project I purchased (73 L) was apart I have many questions!
> Before I install the engine is it best to fit / install the rear window?
> Plexiglass? Lexan? Acrylic?
> Should I make my own? Thickness?
> I do have templates
> Thanks for everyone's help!
> And feed back
> Tom
>
>
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> >   1. Re: parking brakes (gudmund fr?land)
> >   2. Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Patrick HALS)
> >   3. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Will Kooiman)
> >   4. Re: parking brakes (B Hower)
> >   5. Re: parking brakes (Will Kooiman)
> >   6. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16 (cengles at cox.net)
> >   7. Peter Brock-designed Shelby De Tomaso P70 to appear at    Amelia
> >      Island (Dave)
> >   8. Re: parking brakes (Tomas Gunnarsson)
> >   9. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Timothy Meyer)
> >  10. Re: Pantera Perf parking brakes (Stephen)
> >  11. Re: Decent 72 on BaT (Paul Timko)
> >  12. Re: Decent 72 on BaT (Tom Shinrock)
> >  13. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Julian Kift)
> >  14. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Daniel C Jones)
> >  15. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Mike Drew)
> >  16. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Scott Martin)
> >  17. Re: Peter Brock-designed Shelby De Tomaso P70 to appear at
> >      Amelia Island (Himes, Terry (397C))
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 08:23:50 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: gudmund fr?land <gudmundfroiland at yahoo.no>
> > To: 'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,    'Tomas
> >    Gunnarsson' <guson at home.se>,  <gaino at earthlink.net>,    Stephen
> >    <steve at snclocks.com>
> > Cc: <detomaso at poca.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> > Message-ID:
> >    <903429434.8715276.1452846230404.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Is there any here who have tried to install more normal E-Brake handle
> that have the wire going in on the handle instead of the rod. I am thinking
> that if the handle are replaced with fex BMW handle it would give a lot
> better leaver force instead of the arm down under the car are about same
> length as the handle inside car.
> > Den fre 2016-01-15 skrev Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>:
> >
> > Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> > Til: "'marshall smith'" <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, "'Tomas
> Gunnarsson'" <guson at home.se>, gaino at earthlink.net
> > Kopi: detomaso at poca.com
> > Dato: Fredag 15. januar 2016 05.36
> >
> > Fortunately my wife has
> > strong arms - that is the thing about our e-brakes - the
> > passenger needs to set and release them.
> >
> > Stephen Nelson
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: marshall smith [mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09
> > AM
> > To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net;
> > Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
> > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >
> > Yikes....I could never trust
> > my E brake on 'this' hill!
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >  Subject: Re:
> > [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >  To:
> > "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <guson at home.se>, gaino at earthlink.net
> >  Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> >  Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
> >
> > ? ? Whilst
> > `inelegant',
> >  at least the stock system
> > works well.? I installed
> > ? ? Wildwoods on
> > the front of the discs and? kept the originals on the
> > ? ? back.? I did have the originals
> >  coated black - heck, doesn't look that
> > ? ? bad.
> >
> >
> >
> > ? ? Stephen Nelson
> >
> >
> > ? ? -----Original
> > Message-----
> > ? ? From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
> >  On Behalf Of Tomas
> > ? ?
> > Gunnarsson
> > ? ? Sent: Wednesday, January
> > 13, 2016 8:03 AM
> > ? ? To: gaino at earthlink.net
> > ? ? Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> > ? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >
> >
> > ? ?
> > That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't? work as
> > an emergency brake
> > ? ? and parking brake
> > function is dubious. If? you park your car with the
> > ? ? brakes hot they may release when they
> > cool? off.
> >
> > ? ? Tomas
> >
> >
> > ? ?
> > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> >
> >
> >
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> >
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> > ? ?
> > From: bill gaino [gaino at earthlink.net]
> >
> > ? ? Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29
> > PM
> >
> > ? ? To: [1]detomaso at poca.com
> >
> > ? ? Subject: [DeTomaso]
> > parking brakes
> >
> >
> > ? ? Is anybody using a solinoid based
> > parking? brake? Something that that
> > ? ?
> > blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold? calipers pressed
> > against the
> > ? ? rotors. My customer does
> > not want the? extra set of E brake calipers..
> >
> > ? ? like IPSCO offers. Bill
> > 1362
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 10:36:38 +0100
> > From: Patrick HALS <patrickhals at gmail.com>
> > To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
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> > Hi all,
> > What would be the best suggestion for a high power output, complete
> > Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit , if such complete kit exists?
> > When I mean " best suggestion " , that is the best value- reliability-
> > power-torque- fun and money ratio for a quick street engine . Complicated
> > ratio.... :>))
> > What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine ) Cleveland
> > heads.
> > Just curious....
> > Thank you !
> > Pat
> > Candy 2862 - ADA 9628
> > -------------- next part --------------
> >   Hi all,A
> >   What would be the best suggestion for a high power output, complete
> >   Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit , if such complete kit exists?A
> >   When I mean " best suggestion " , that is the best value- reliability-
> >   power-torque- fun and money ratio for a quick street engine .
> >   Complicated ratio.... :>))
> >   What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine ) Cleveland
> >   heads.
> >   Just curious....
> >   Thank you !
> >   Pat
> >   Candy 2862 - ADA 9628
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 06:38:09 -0500
> > From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> > To: Patrick HALS <patrickhals at gmail.com>,    "detomaso at poca.com"
> >    <detomaso at poca.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
> > Message-ID: <D2BE43AE.232A9%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="ISO-8859-1"
> >
> > Best will vary depending on who you talk to.
> >
> > I was very happy with my 377?, offset ground stock crank stroker kit from
> > Dennis Quella.  I killed that engine due to a mistake I made - not
> related
> > to the stroker kit.
> >
> > I am also very happy with the 408", 4? SCAT crank kit that I currently
> > have.
> >
> > These days, it?s hard to go wrong with anything.
> >
> > On 1/15/16, 4:36 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Patrick HALS"
> > <detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of patrickhals at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>  Hi all,A
> >>  What would be the best suggestion for a high power output, complete
> >>  Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit , if such complete kit exists?A
> >>  When I mean " best suggestion " , that is the best value- reliability-
> >>  power-torque- fun and money ratio for a quick street engine .
> >>  Complicated ratio.... :>))
> >>  What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine ) Cleveland
> >>  heads.
> >>  Just curious....
> >>  Thank you !
> >>  Pat
> >>  Candy 2862 - ADA 9628
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> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 11:41:05 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
> > To: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>,    'marshall smith'
> >    <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,    'Tomas Gunnarsson' <guson at home.se
> >,
> >    "gaino at earthlink.net" <gaino at earthlink.net>
> > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> > Message-ID:
> >    <286934332.5348481.1452858065317.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Question?? Aren't you supposed to apply brake pedal to apply pad
> pressure while setting the E-brake, thus you are only taking slack out of
> lever system? Am missing something here?
> > ?Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
> ! )
> >
> >
> >      From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
> > To: 'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; 'Tomas Gunnarsson'
> <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net
> > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >
> > Fortunately my wife has strong arms - that is the thing about our
> e-brakes - the passenger needs to set and release them.
> >
> > Stephen Nelson
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: marshall smith [mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09 AM
> > To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net; Stephen <
> steve at snclocks.com>
> > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >
> > Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
> >
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> > To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <guson at home.se>, gaino at earthlink.net
> > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> > Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
> >
> > ? ? Whilst `inelegant',
> > at least the stock system works well.? I installed
> > ? ? Wildwoods on the front of the discs and? kept the originals on the
> > ? ? back.? I did have the originals
> > coated black - heck, doesn't look that
> > ? ? bad.
> >
> >
> > ? ? Stephen Nelson
> >
> >
> > ? ? -----Original Message-----
> > ? ? From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
> > On Behalf Of Tomas
> > ? ? Gunnarsson
> > ? ? Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
> > ? ? To: gaino at earthlink.net
> > ? ? Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> > ? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >
> >
> > ? ? That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't? work as an emergency
> brake
> > ? ? and parking brake function is dubious. If? you park your car with the
> > ? ? brakes hot they may release when they cool? off.
> >
> > ? ? Tomas
> >
> >
> > ? ? <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> >
> >
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> > ? ? From: bill gaino [gaino at earthlink.net]
> >
> > ? ? Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
> >
> > ? ? To: [1]detomaso at poca.com
> >
> > ? ? Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >
> >
> > ? ? Is anybody using a solinoid based parking? brake? Something that that
> > ? ? blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold? calipers pressed against the
> > ? ? rotors. My customer does not want the? extra set of E brake
> calipers..
> >
> > ? ? like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
> >
> >
> >
> > ? ? [2]
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> >
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> > -------------- next part --------------
> >   Question?? Aren't you supposed to apply brake pedal to apply pad
> >   pressure while setting the E-brake, thus you are only taking slack out
> >   of lever system? Am missing something here?
> >
> >   Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
> >   ! )
> >     __________________________________________________________________
> >
> >   From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
> >   To: 'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; 'Tomas
> Gunnarsson'
> >   <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net
> >   Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> >   Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:36 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >   Fortunately my wife has strong arms - that is the thing about our
> >   e-brakes - the passenger needs to set and release them.
> >   Stephen Nelson
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: marshall smith [mailto:[1]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
> >   Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09 AM
> >   To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <[2]guson at home.se>; [3]gaino at earthlink.net;
> >   Stephen <[4]steve at snclocks.com>
> >   Cc: [5]detomaso at poca.com
> >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >   Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
> >   --------------------------------------------
> >   On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <[6]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
> >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >   To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <[7]guson at home.se>, [8]gaino at earthlink.net
> >   Cc: [9]detomaso at poca.com
> >   Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
> >       Whilst `inelegant',
> >   at least the stock system works well.  I installed
> >       Wildwoods on the front of the discs and  kept the originals on the
> >       back.  I did have the originals
> >   coated black - heck, doesn't look that
> >       bad.
> >       Stephen Nelson
> >       -----Original Message-----
> >       From: DeTomaso [mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
> >   On Behalf Of Tomas
> >       Gunnarsson
> >       Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
> >       To: [11]gaino at earthlink.net
> >       Cc: [12]detomaso at poca.com
> >       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >       That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't  work as an emergency
> >   brake
> >       and parking brake function is dubious. If  you park your car with
> >   the
> >       brakes hot they may release when they cool  off.
> >       Tomas
> >       <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> >
> >
> >       From: bill gaino [[13]gaino at earthlink.net]
> >       Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
> >       To: [1][14]detomaso at poca.com
> >       Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >       Is anybody using a solinoid based parking  brake? Something that
> >   that
> >       blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold  calipers pressed against
> >   the
> >       rotors. My customer does not want the  extra set of E brake
> >   calipers..
> >       like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
> >
> >   [2][15]
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> >   7. mailto:guson at home.se
> >   8. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
> >   9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >  10. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> >  11. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
> >  12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >  13. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
> >  14. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >  15.
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&
> >  16. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >  17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >  18. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >  19.
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref
> >  20. http://www.slickpaint.com/
> >  21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >  22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >  23. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >  24. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >  25. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >  26. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 07:59:24 -0500
> > From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> > To: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>, Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>,
> >    'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,    'Tomas
> Gunnarsson'
> >    <guson at home.se>,    "gaino at earthlink.net" <gaino at earthlink.net>
> > Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> > Message-ID: <D2BE5702.128F1E%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > You're not supposed to apply the brake pedal when you set the e-brake.
> >
> > You just yank on the handle and you're set.
> >
> > That's why it's also an emergency brake.  If your hydraulics go out, you
> > can use your hand brake in an emergency.
> >
> > --
> > Will
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 1/15/16 6:41 AM, "B Hower via DeTomaso" <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Question?? Aren't you supposed to apply brake pedal to apply pad
> >>  pressure while setting the E-brake, thus you are only taking slack out
> >>  of lever system? Am missing something here?
> >>
> >>  Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
> >>  ! )
> >>    __________________________________________________________________
> >>
> >>  From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
> >>  To: 'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; 'Tomas
> Gunnarsson'
> >>  <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net
> >>  Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> >>  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:36 PM
> >>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >>  Fortunately my wife has strong arms - that is the thing about our
> >>  e-brakes - the passenger needs to set and release them.
> >>  Stephen Nelson
> >>  -----Original Message-----
> >>  From: marshall smith [mailto:[1]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
> >>  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09 AM
> >>  To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <[2]guson at home.se>; [3]gaino at earthlink.net;
> >>  Stephen <[4]steve at snclocks.com>
> >>  Cc: [5]detomaso at poca.com
> >>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >>  Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
> >>  --------------------------------------------
> >>  On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <[6]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
> >>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >>  To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <[7]guson at home.se>, [8]gaino at earthlink.net
> >>  Cc: [9]detomaso at poca.com
> >>  Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
> >>      Whilst `inelegant',
> >>  at least the stock system works well.  I installed
> >>      Wildwoods on the front of the discs and  kept the originals on the
> >>      back.  I did have the originals
> >>  coated black - heck, doesn't look that
> >>      bad.
> >>      Stephen Nelson
> >>      -----Original Message-----
> >>      From: DeTomaso [mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
> >>  On Behalf Of Tomas
> >>      Gunnarsson
> >>      Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
> >>      To: [11]gaino at earthlink.net
> >>      Cc: [12]detomaso at poca.com
> >>      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >>      That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't  work as an emergency
> >>  brake
> >>      and parking brake function is dubious. If  you park your car with
> >>  the
> >>      brakes hot they may release when they cool  off.
> >>      Tomas
> >>      <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> >>
> >>
> >>      From: bill gaino [[13]gaino at earthlink.net]
> >>      Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
> >>      To: [1][14]detomaso at poca.com
> >>      Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >>      Is anybody using a solinoid based parking  brake? Something that
> >>  that
> >>      blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold  calipers pressed against
> >>  the
> >>      rotors. My customer does not want the  extra set of E brake
> >>  calipers..
> >>      like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
> >>
> >>  [2][15]
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref
> >>  =ts&
> >>      fref
> >>      =ts
> >>      If you want it slick.
> >>  [3]www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook
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> >>  etc.)
> >>      use the links above.
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> >>  References
> >>      1. mailto:[18]detomaso at poca.com
> >>      2.
> >>  [19]
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts
> >>  &fref
> >>      3. [20]http://www.slickpaint.com/
> >>      4. mailto:[21]DeTomaso at poca.com
> >>      5. [22]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> >> References
> >>
> >>  1. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
> >>  2. mailto:guson at home.se
> >>  3. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
> >>  4. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
> >>  5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >>  6. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
> >>  7. mailto:guson at home.se
> >>  8. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
> >>  9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >> 10. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> >> 11. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
> >> 12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >> 13. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
> >> 14. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >> 15.
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&
> >> 16. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >> 17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >> 18. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >> 19.
> >>
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref
> >> 20. http://www.slickpaint.com/
> >> 21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >> 22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >> 23. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >> 24. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >> 25. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >> 26. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> >>
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 13:19:59 +0000 (GMT)
> > From: cengles at cox.net
> > To: jderyke at aol.com
> > Cc: ace595 at hotmail.com, detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16
> > Message-ID: <2d425f.13d91.15245714f4d.Webtop.0 at cox.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
> >
> >
> > Dear Jack,
> >
> >         You wrote:
> >
> >                           " the stock al-asbestos-al heat shield. "
> >
> >  $$$$$$$$   Ah-hah!   I thought that there was some asbestos in there
> > somewhere, but I could not be sure. Obviously, it is sandwiched between
> > the aluminum layers.  Thanks for bolstering my fuzzy memory.
> >
> >
> >                         Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> > To: 'tom ware' <ace595 at hotmail.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> > Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 5:26 pm
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16
> >
> > Dear Tom,
> >
> > I am not an expert, but....
> >
> > last year I removed the gas tank from my late '74 Pantera, which has had
> > the
> > stainless steel treatment for the last twenty five years.  Behind the
> > bling
> > is the base stock thick aluminum(?) which is not a single layer. There
> > are
> > at least two layers and there *might* be a layer in between.  That is my
> > guess and I will defer to an expert.
> >
> > I think that the normal stainless steel shield installation is over the
> > stock one.  Perhaps it is heavier, but it would tend to further shield
> > the
> > gas tank from the headers' heat.
> >
> > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [ mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> > <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> ')>
> > ] On Behalf Of tom ware
> > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:58 PM
> > To: detomaso at poca.com
> > <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16
> >
> > Gas tank shield ?
> > I have a new stainless steel shield that came with my project.
> > Is it the norm to insulate it for heat.?
> > Thanks
> > Tom
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jan 14, 2016, at 2:00 PM, < detomaso-request at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-request at poca.com
> ')>
> > < detomaso-request at poca.com
> > <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-request at poca.com
> ')>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >> <http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com> or, via email,
> >> send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >> detomaso-request at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-request at poca.com
> ')>
> >> You can reach the person managing the list at detomaso-owner at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-owner at poca.com')>
> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >> than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..."
> >>
> >> Daily Detomaso List Digest
> >> Today's Topics:
> >>  1. Re: parking brakes (Tomas Gunnarsson)   2. Re: parking brakes (
> >> MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> )
> >> 3. Re: parking brakes ( MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> )
> >> 4. Re: parking brakes ( MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> )
> >> 5. Re: Campagnolo Wheels ( MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> )
> >> 6. Re: parking brakes (Stephen)   7. Re: parking brakes (L GRAY)   8.
> >> Re: Campagnolo Wheels (Michael Shortt) 9. Re: parking brakes (Tomas
> >> Gunnarsson)  10. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (Larry Stock)  11. Re: parking
> >> brakes (Charles McCall)  12. Re: parking brakes (Tomas Gunnarsson)
> >> 13. Re: parking brakes (Charles McCall)  14. Re: parking brakes
> >> (Thomas Tornblom)  15. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (marshall smith)  16. Re:
> >> Campagnolo Wheels (marshall smith)  17. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (Michael
> >> Shortt)  18. Re: parking brakes (Ken Green)  19. Re: parking brakes
> >> (Scott Bell)  20. NPC 91 Merc parts (B Hower)  21. NPC 2000 BMW 740i
> >> Sport for whole or parts (Rob Dumoulin)  22. Re: NPC 2000 BMW 740i
> >> Sport for whole or parts      (Mirril M. McMullen)  23. Re: NPC 2000
> >> BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts (Rob Dumoulin)  24. Re: NPC 2000 BMW
> >> 740i Sport for whole or parts (Rob Dumoulin)  25. Re: parking brakes
> >> (marshall smith)
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:27:31 -0800 From: "Tomas
> >> Gunnarsson" < guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> > To: <
> >> gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> >
> >> Cc: < steve at snclocks.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> >,
> >> < detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: <
> >> 46D238640B764EE3A581C2544BE74A80 at mail2world.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('
> 46D238640B764EE3A581C2544BE74A80 at mail2world.com')>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side of
> >> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that
> >> not all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only
> >> newer cars that suffer from that.
> >> Tomas
> >>
> >>
> >> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> >>       From: bill gaino [ gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ]
> >> Sent: 13/1/2016 6:13:51 PM To: steve at snclocks.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> ;
> >> guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> Cc:
> >> detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >>
> >> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position to
> >> use as Ebrake?  He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired
> >> on the rear mounts..Bill 1362
> >>
> >>
> >>   -----Original Message-----    From: Stephen    Sent: Jan 13, 2016
> >> 11:21 AM    To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' , gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
> >> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >>
> >>
> >>   Whilst 'inelegant', at least the stock system works well.  I
> >> installed Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals
> >> on the back.  I did have the originals coated black - heck, doesn't
> >> look that bad.
> >>
> >>
> >>   Stephen Nelson
> >>
> >>
> >>   -----Original Message-----    From: DeTomaso [
> >> mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> ')>
> >> ] On Behalf Of Tomas Gunnarsson    Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016
> >> 8:03 AM    To: gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
> >> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >>
> >>
> >>   That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
> >> brake and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with
> >> the brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
> >>
> >>
> >>   Tomas
> >>
> >>
> >>   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> >>
> >>
> >>                                 From: bill gaino [
> >> gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ]
> >>   Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
> >>   To: detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> <
> >> mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >
> >>   Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >>
> >>
> >>   Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that
> >> that blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against
> >> the rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake
> >> calipers..
> >>   like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref
> >> <
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref>
> >> <
> >> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fre
> >> <
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fre>
> >> f>
> >>   =ts
> >>   If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com
> >> <http://www.slickpaint.com> < http://www.slickpaint.com
> >> <http://www.slickpaint.com> >  like us on facebook
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> >>
> >> . -------------- next part --------------   Yes Bill, most likely. I
> >> have installed calipers on the front side of   the uprights, the holes
> >> were threaded and all. I think I heard that not   all uprights are
> >> drilled front and back but it may be that only newer   cars that
> >> suffer from that.
> >>  Tomas   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->       From: bill gaino [
> >> gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ]
> >> Sent: 13/1/2016 6:13:51 PM   To: steve at snclocks.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> ;
> >> guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')>   Cc:
> >> detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes   Is it possible to mount the
> >> stock calipers in the front position to use   as Ebrake?  He already
> >> has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired on   the rear mounts..Bill
> >> 1362
> >>    -----Original Message-----     From: Stephen     Sent: Jan 13,
> >> 2016 11:21 AM     To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' , gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
> >> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >>  Whilst `inelegant', at least the stock system works well.  I
> >> installed   Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals
> >> on the   back.  I did have the originals coated black - heck, doesn't
> >> look that   bad.
> >>
> >>  Stephen Nelson
> >>
> >>  -----Original Message-----   From: DeTomaso [
> >> mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> ')>
> >> ] On Behalf Of Tomas   Gunnarsson   Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016
> >> 8:03 AM   To: gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
> >> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >>
> >>  That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
> >> brake   and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car
> >> with the   brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
> >>  Tomas
> >>
> >>  <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> >>
> >>                                From: bill gaino [ gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ]
> >>  Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
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> >>  Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that that
> >> blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against the
> >> rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake calipers..
> >>  like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
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> >> Message: 2 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:51:53 -0500 From:
> >> MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> To:
> >> guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> ,
> >> gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
> >> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: <
> >> 72fdba.12644e17.43c804d9 at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('
> 72fdba.12644e17.43c804d9 at aol.com')>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >>
> >> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
> >>
> >>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency brake
> >>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the
> >>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
> >>
> >>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock.   He's asking about
> >>>>> an
> >> (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the OEMs
> >> and
> > is
> >> in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective to satisfy
> >> government regulations worldwide).   Such systems are now available in
> >> the
> >
> >> aftermarket.
> >> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
> >> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
> > 'arm' that
> >> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake?   Does anybody know that for
> > sure?
> >>
> >> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient to
> > hold
> >> a car for any length of time; they are designed for very short-term
> >> use only.   Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than an inch)
> > crashing
> >> into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow it and the fool
> > parked it
> >> overnight on a slope in neutral with the line lock engaged.   As the
> > brakes
> >> cooled at night, they released and the car rolled through a lot
> >> crowded
> > with
> >> collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a hedge and
> > down
> >> into a ditch!   Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been very
> >> bad
> >
> >> indeed.
> >> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
> >> much more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would
> >> still
> > hold
> >> pressure even as the fluid cooled.   However, it would not serve as a
> > proper
> >> emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal blew out
> >> in
> > a
> >> caliper) whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages the
> >> components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work.
> >> Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30 years...park
> >> wisely and hope for the best!) -------------- next part --------------
> >> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
> >>    That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
> >> brake     and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car
> >> with the     brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
> >>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock.  He's asking about
> >>  an (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the
> >> OEMs and is in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective
> >> to satisfy government regulations worldwide).  Such systems are now
> >> available in the aftermarket.   I confess I don't know if OEM electric
> >> parking brake systems work by   pressurizing the fluid in the line, or
> >> if they are a simple mechanical   'arm' that is pulling on a
> >> mechanical parking brake?  Does anybody know   that for sure?   You're
> >> correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient to   hold
> >> a car for any length of time; they are designed for very   short-term
> >> use only.  Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than   an
> >> inch) crashing into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow
> >> it and the fool parked it overnight on a slope in neutral with the
> >> line   lock engaged.  As the brakes cooled at night, they released and
> >> the car   rolled through a lot crowded with collector cars, brushed
> >> past the   Aston and crashed through a hedge and down into a ditch!
> >> Fortunately   it was unhurt, but it could have been very bad indeed.
> >> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
> >> much   more effective because it has its own master cylinder that
> >> would still   hold pressure even as the fluid cooled.  However, it
> >> would not serve as   a proper emergency brake if there was a hydraulic
> >> failure (say, a seal   blew out in a caliper) whereas a cable-type
> >> system that mechanically   leverages the components of the caliper
> >> requires no hydraulics to work.   Mike (who has had no parking brake
> >> at all for the past 30 years...park   wisely and hope for the best!)
> >> ------------------------------
> >> Message: 3 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:51:57 -0500 From:
> >> MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> To:
> >> gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ,
> >> steve at snclocks.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> ,
> >> guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> Cc:
> >> detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: <
> >> 72fdc9.23690f23.43c804dd at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('
> 72fdc9.23690f23.43c804dd at aol.com')>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>
> >> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
> >> writes:
> >>
> >>> ?? Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position
> >>> to use ?? as Ebrake?? He already has the Wilwoods installed and
> >>> saftey wired on ?? the rear mounts.
> >>
> >>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.   The
> >> calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear of
> >> the wheelwell.   If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no
> >> longer
> > fit, plus if
> >> longer ones were used, they would foul the driveshafts on their way
> >> forward.   The only possible way to make a system like that work would
> >> be
> > to
> >> reposition the cables so they entered the wheelwells ahead of, instead
> >> of
> > behind
> >> the hub carriers, and there would be a fair bit of engineering
> >> involved.
> > I
> >> suppose it might be possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial
> > exercise.
> >>
> >> Mike -------------- next part --------------   In a message dated
> >> 1/13/16 9 15 10, gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
> >> writes:
> >>       Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front
> >> position     to use        as Ebrake?  He already has the Wilwoods
> >> installed and saftey     wired on        the rear mounts.
> >>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.  The
> >>  calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear
> >> of   the wheelwell.  If the calipers are repositioned the cables will
> >> no   longer fit, plus if longer ones were used, they would foul the
> >> driveshafts on their way forward.  The only possible way to make a
> >> system like that work would be to reposition the cables so they
> >> entered   the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind the hub carriers,
> >> and there   would be a fair bit of engineering involved.  I suppose it
> >> might be   possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial exercise.
> >> Mike
> >> ------------------------------
> >> Message: 4 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:52:03 -0500 From:
> >> MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> To:
> >> guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> ,
> >> gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
> >> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: <
> >> 72fddd.5edc2feb.43c804e3 at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('
> 72fddd.5edc2feb.43c804e3 at aol.com')>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >>
> >> In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
> >>
> >>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side of
> >>> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that
> >>> not all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only
> >>> newer cars that suffer from that.
> >>
> >>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes only
> >>>>> on
> >> one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a
> >> production
> >
> >> standpoint).
> >> Mike -------------- next part --------------   In a message dated
> >> 1/13/16 11 28 28, guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
> >>    Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side
> >> of     the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard
> >> that     not    all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be
> >> that only     newer  cars that suffer from that.
> >>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes only
> >>  on one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a
> >> production standpoint).   Mike
> >> ------------------------------
> >> Message: 5 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 15:19:19 -0500 From:
> >> MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> To:
> >> davel at emspace.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> ,
> >> detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> ,
> >> michael at michaelshortt.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('michael at michaelshortt.com
> ')>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID: <
> >> 73161a.56810af3.43c80b47 at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('
> 73161a.56810af3.43c80b47 at aol.com')>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>
> >> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')>
> >> writes:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. I think that's
> >>> fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the unsprung weight
> >>> for track use? dave
> >>>
> >>>>> Interesting.   This was apparently a reply to an original post by
> >> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it wind
> >> up
> > in my
> >> spam folder?
> >> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,
> >> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
> >> below:
> >>
> >>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: ? ?? Greetings,
> >>>> ? ?? After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
> >>>> inventory
> >>> today,
> >>>> ? ?? I have 21 Campy wheels,
> >>>
> >>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> ? ?? 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
> >>>> Triple ? ?? Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington
> >>>> Wheels made for
> >>> Hall
> >>>> ? ?? Pantera.
> >>
> >>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?   He did
> >>>>> make
> >> them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some
> >> markedly
> >
> >> better than others.   Can you share some images perhaps to help in
> >> identification?
> >> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were
> > welded
> >> together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
> >>>>> ? ?? And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
> >>>
> >>>>> What kind of wheels are those?   10 spokes is a pretty vague
> >> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes they
> > have at least. :>
> >> )
> >>>>
> >>>> ? ?? I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use, ? ?? And
> >>>> one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for Rally
> > and
> >>>> ? ?? Track use.
> >>>
> >>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
> > wheels
> >> which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
> >> spinner?
> >
> >> Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the latter being the
> >> only
> >
> >> genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever encountered).
> >>
> >>>> ? ?? I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
> >>> Blackwalls
> >>>> ? ?? and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos, With
> >>>> a
> >>> spare
> >>>> ? ?? Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
> >>>
> >>>>> Sounds good!
> >>>>
> >>>>> ? ?? That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
> >>>>> Sell
> >>> or
> >>>> ? ?? Trade. Photos Available.
> >>>
> >>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?   What kind are
> >>>>> they?
> >
> >> Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
> >> wheels?
> >>>> ? ?? I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
> >>>
> >>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.   These
> >>>>> were
> >> an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.   I have
> >> no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any
> >> other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very
> >> small indeed.
> > Even
> >> 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels.
> >> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels
> >> to appear. :>)
> >>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the Campy
> >>>> ? ?? Wheel education.
> >>>
> >>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
> >>>>> your
> >> aftermarket wheels.   Simply put, I would never wish three-piece Hall
> > wheels
> >> on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.   We collectively
> > know
> >> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and a
> > potential
> >> accident.   Jack has often told of the car that was zorching down Mt.
> >> Ch arleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his Hall
> >> wheel dismantled himself; I believe it thrust the car into the
> >> scenery, but
> > can't
> >> remember that aspect of the story for sure.   Jack?
> >> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to
> >> sell;
> >
> >> a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and he had
> >> to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
> >> halfway
> > around.
> >> The other three wheels had similar cracks when they were taken apart
> >> and inspected.
> >> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
> >> wheel;
> >
> >> when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the freeway in
> >> Los
> >
> >> Angeles.   What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the brake
> >> line
> > was
> >> damaged.   MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran the
> >> Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped on the brakes at
> >> the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the exhaust and
> >> the rest was history.
> >> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
> >> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
> >> woefully under-engineered, and today should be related either to a
> >> display case, or
> > a
> >> recycling bin IMHO....
> >> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as
> >> the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,
> >> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
> >>>>> ? ?? Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
> >>> primer,
> >>>> ? ?? I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
> >>>> see
> >>> the
> >>>> ? ?? final results. ? ?? Photo attached.
> >>>
> >>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
> >> either....
> >> Cheers!
> >> Mike -------------- next part --------------   In a message dated
> >> 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')>
> >> writes:
> >>    My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.     I think
> >> that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
> >> unsprung weight for track use?     dave
> >>>>> Interesting.  This was apparently a reply to an original post by
> >>  Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
> >> wind   up in my spam folder?   I'm noting some irregularities with the
> >> forum these days....anyway,   thankfully Dave included Michael's
> >> original post, so see replies below:
> >>>    On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:    Greetings,
> >>>   After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
> >>    inventory today,
> >>>   I have 21 Campy wheels,
> >>
> >>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
> >>
> >>>   5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
> >>    Triple
> >>>   Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
> >>    for Hall
> >>>   Pantera.
> >>
> >>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?  He did
> >>  make them for several other vendors, in several different styles,
> >> some   markedly better than others.  Can you share some images perhaps
> >> to help   in identification?   Hall did have somebody cast up
> >> ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were   welded together, and perhaps
> >> Coddington was the source for those?
> >>>>   And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
> >>
> >>>>> What kind of wheels are those?  10 spokes is a pretty vague
> >> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes they
> >> have at least. :>)
> >>>
> >>>   I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,    And one
> >>> set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
> >>    Rally and
> >>>   Track use.
> >>
> >>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
> >>  wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
> >> center   spinner?  Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with
> >> the latter   being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've
> >> ever   encountered).
> >>>   I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
> >>    Blackwalls
> >>>   and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
> >>    With a spare
> >>>   Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
> >>
> >>>>> Sounds good!
> >>
> >>>
> >>>>   That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
> >>    Sell or
> >>>   Trade. Photos Available.
> >>
> >>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?  What kind are
> >>  they?  Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some
> >> L-model   wheels?
> >>>   I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
> >>
> >>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.  These
> >>  were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.
> >> I   have no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen
> >> any other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is
> >> very   small indeed.  Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant,
> >> had single   slot wheels.   So don't hold your breath waiting for a
> >> full set of three-slot wheels   to appear. :>)
> >>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
> >>    Campy
> >>>   Wheel education.
> >>
> >>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
> >>  your aftermarket wheels.  Simply put, I would never wish three-piece
> >> Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.  We
> >> collectively know about multiple failures, which always led to rapid
> >> deflation and a potential accident.  Jack has often told of the car
> >> that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit
> >> speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe it
> >> thrust the car into the scenery, but can't remember that aspect of the
> >> story for sure.  Jack?   Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
> >> Concorso that he was trying to   sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart
> >> while the car was parked (!) and   he had to tow it back to Nevada as
> >> it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked   halfway around.  The other
> >> three wheels had similar cracks when they   were taken apart and
> >> inspected.   And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure
> >> of his Hall   wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell
> >> down onto the  freeway in Los Angeles.  What wasn't seen was that
> >> during the collapse,   the brake line was damaged.  MD swapped his
> >> stock wheels w/race tires   on and ran the Silver State a day or two
> >> later, but when he stepped on   the brakes at the finish line, the
> >> line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto   the exhaust and the rest was
> >> history.   And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
> >> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
> >> woefully   under-engineered, and today should be related either to a
> >> display case,   or a recycling bin IMHO....   So tell me exactly what
> >> kind of wheels you're talking about here, as   the Coddington wheels
> >> (which I have aesthetic problems with,   admittedly) are nothing like
> >> these Hall wheels at all.
> >>>>   Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
> >>    primer,
> >>>   I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
> >>    see the
> >>>   final results.    Photo attached.
> >>
> >>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
> >>  either....   Cheers!   Mike
> >> ------------------------------
> >> Message: 6 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:23:56 -0800 From: "Stephen" <
> >> steve at snclocks.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> >
> >> To: < MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> >,
> >> < gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> >,
> >> < guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> > Cc: <
> >> detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID:
> >> <00d501d14e40$54625920$fd270b60$@snclocks.com> Content-Type:
> >> text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >> When I was going through my brakes I wanted to clean out the e-brake
> >> housings and the cables.  So, I cut off the cable ends, took
> >> everything apart, took all the old plastic sheath off the housings,
> >> replaced with
> > heavy
> >> shrink-to-fit, cut the housings to be a better fit with less excess
> > length,
> >> lubed with graphite-impregnated grease, then put new ends on the
> >> cables to match the length that they needed to be.  Went together very
> >> nicely.
> >>
> >>
> >> It would have been pretty much as simple to change length to match a
> >> front mounting for the originals, but would have likely required
> >> cutting a pair
> > of
> >> holes in the sheet metal - I hate extra holes.
> >>
> >>
> >> For what all that is worth.
> >>
> >>
> >> Stephen Nelson
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> [
> >> mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> ]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:52 AM To: gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ;
> >> steve at snclocks.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> ;
> >> guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> Cc:
> >> detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> <
> >> mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> >
> >> writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position to
> >> use   as Ebrake?  He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey
> >> wired on   the rear mounts.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.  The
> > calipers
> >> are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear of the
> > wheelwell.
> >> If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no longer fit, plus
> >> if longer ones were used, they would foul the driveshafts on their way
> > forward.
> >> The only possible way to make a system like that work would be to
> > reposition
> >> the cables so they entered the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind
> >> the hub carriers, and there would be a fair bit of engineering
> >> involved.  I suppose it might be possible, but it certainly won't be a
> >> trivial
> > exercise.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> -------------- next part -------------- When I was going through my
> >> brakes I wanted to clean out the e-brake   housings and the cables.
> >> So, I cut off the cable ends, took everything   apart, took all the
> >> old plastic sheath off the housings, replaced with   heavy
> >> shrink-to-fit, cut the housings to be a better fit with less   excess
> >> length, lubed with graphite-impregnated grease, then put new   ends on
> >> the cables to match the length that they needed to be.  Went
> >> together very nicely.
> >>
> >>  It would have been pretty much as simple to change length to match a
> >> front mounting for the originals, but would have likely required
> >> cutting a pair of holes in the sheet metal - I hate extra holes...
> >>
> >>  For what all that is worth.
> >>
> >>  Stephen Nelson
> >>
> >>
> >>  From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> [
> >> mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> ]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:52 AM   To: gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ;
> >> steve at snclocks.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> ;
> >> guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')>   Cc:
> >> detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >>
> >>  In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, [1] gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
> >> writes:
> >>       Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front
> >> position     to use        as Ebrake?  He already has the Wilwoods
> >> installed and saftey     wired on        the rear mounts.
> >>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.  The
> >>  calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear
> >> of   the wheelwell.  If the calipers are repositioned the cables will
> >> no   longer fit, plus if longer ones were used, they would foul the
> >> driveshafts on their way forward.  The only possible way to make a
> >> system like that work would be to reposition the cables so they
> >> entered   the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind the hub carriers,
> >> and there   would be a fair bit of engineering involved.  I suppose it
> >> might be   possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial exercise.
> >> Mike
> >> References
> >>  1. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
> >> ------------------------------
> >> Message: 7 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 21:07:23 +0000 From: L GRAY <
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> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> >,
> >> " detomaso at poca.com
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> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID:
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> >>
> >> Hate to disagree here Mike. The only uprights that were produced for a
> > Pantera that were right or left handed were "some" of Hall Pantera's
> > aluminum uprights, and they originally had mounts on front and rear. For
> > some reason later on in production they were built without both sets of
> > ears.......... never understood why .......as you said dumb idea !!
> >>     The Group 4 uprights were manufactured with both sets of ears.
> >> Some
> > of you may not know that the GT 5 and the GT 5-S rear uprights were
> > taken
> > from the competition Group 4 spares inventory.
> >>
> >> Leslie A. Gray
> >>> On Jan 13, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <
> >>> detomaso at poca.com
> >>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >
> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, guson at home.se
> >>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
> >>>   Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side
> >>> of    the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard
> >>> that    not    all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be
> >>> that only    newer    cars that suffer from that.
> >>>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes only
> >>> on one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a
> >>> production standpoint).  Mike
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> >> Message: 8 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 16:20:31 -0500 From: Michael Shortt
> >> < michaelsavga at gmail.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('michaelsavga at gmail.com')>
> >>> To: 576103 < MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> >
> >> Cc: Dave Londry < davel at emspace.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> >, "
> >> detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> "
> >> < detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID:
> >> <CAEWtxWrnqwjnrhKaKWzkxyc4SnmmwfoeAk1gHft7eVUsB= Di5Q at mail.gmail.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('Di5Q at mail.gmail.com')> >
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >> none of my wheels are assembled ( fasteners) 3 piece wheels, all are
> > welded
> >> or billet.
> >> I have driven on the wheels on street, on track and on the Tail of the
> >> Dragon and have had zero issues in 12 years with 2 different designs,
> >> not sure who mad ethe current wheels ( 10 spoke ), but they show no
> >> signs of stress, damage either.
> >> It may be my luck, it could be others bad luck, it could be misuse and
> >> driving style.
> >> My Dad owned 3 Audi 5000's, he never had any issues either, maybe
> >> because he never pressed the gas instead of the brake.
> >>
> >> Michael Shortt
> >>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, < MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com
> >>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')>
> >>> writes:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. I think that's
> >>> fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the unsprung weight
> >>> for track use? dave
> >>>
> >>>>>> Interesting.  This was apparently a reply to an original post by
> >>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
> >>> wind up in my spam folder?
> >>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,
> >>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
> >>> below:
> >>>
> >>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:    Greetings,
> >>>>   After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief inventory
> >>> today,
> >>>>   I have 21 Campy wheels,
> >>>
> >>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>   5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
> >>>> Triple    Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels
> >>>> made for
> >>> Hall
> >>>>   Pantera.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?  He did
> >>>>>> make
> >>> them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some
> > markedly
> >>> better than others.  Can you share some images perhaps to help in
> >>> identification?
> >>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were
> >>> welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
> >>>>>   And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
> >>>
> >>>>>> What kind of wheels are those?  10 spokes is a pretty vague
> >>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
> >>> they
> > have
> >>> at least. :>)
> >>>>
> >>>>   I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,    And one
> >>>> set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for Rally and
> >>>> Track use.
> >>>
> >>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
> >>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
> >>> center spinner?  Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the
> >>> latter
> > being
> >>> the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever encountered).
> >>>
> >>>>   I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
> >>> Blackwalls
> >>>>   and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos, With a
> >>> spare
> >>>>   Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
> >>>
> >>>>>> Sounds good!
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>   That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
> >>>>> Sell or
> >>>>   Trade. Photos Available.
> >>>
> >>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?  What kind are
> >>>>>> they?
> >>> Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
> >>> wheels?
> >>>>   I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
> >>>
> >>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.  These
> >>>>>> were
> >>> an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.  I have
> >>> no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any
> >>> other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very
> >>> small indeed. Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had
> >>> single slot wheels.
> >>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels
> >>> to appear. :>)
> >>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the Campy
> >>>> Wheel education.
> >>>
> >>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
> >>>>>> your
> >>> aftermarket wheels.  Simply put, I would never wish three-piece Hall
> > wheels
> >>> on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.  We collectively
> > know
> >>> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and a
> >>> potential accident.  Jack has often told of the car that was zorching
> > down
> >>> Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his
> >>> Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe it thrust the car into the
> >>> scenery,
> > but
> >>> can't remember that aspect of the story for sure.  Jack?
> >>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to
> > sell;
> >>> a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and he
> >>> had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
> >>> halfway around.  The other three wheels had similar cracks when they
> >>> were taken apart and inspected.
> >>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
> > wheel;
> >>> when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the freeway
> >>> in
> > Los
> >>> Angeles.  What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the brake
> >>> line
> > was
> >>> damaged.  MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran the
> >>> Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped on the brakes at
> >>> the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the exhaust
> >>> and the rest was history.
> >>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
> >>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
> >>> woefully under-engineered, and today should be related either to a
> >>> display case,
> > or
> >>> a recycling bin IMHO....
> >>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as
> >>> the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,
> >>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
> >>>>>   Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
> >>> primer,
> >>>>   I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to see
> >>>> the    final results.    Photo attached.
> >>>
> >>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
> >>> either....
> >>> Cheers!
> >>> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com
> >> <http://www.michaelshortt.com> michael at michaelshortt.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('michael at michaelshortt.com
> ')>
> >> 912-232-9390
> >>
> >> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act,
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> >> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
> >> communication is strictly prohibited.  Please reply to the sender that
> >> you have received this message in error, then delete it.  Thank you
> >> -------------- next part --------------   none of my wheels are
> >> assembled ( fasteners) 3 piece wheels, all are   welded or billet.   I
> >> have driven on the wheels on street, on track and on the Tail of the
> >> Dragon and have had zero issues in 12 years with 2 different designs,
> >> not sure who mad ethe current wheels ( 10 spoke ), but they show no
> >> signs of stress, damage either.   It may be my luck, it could be
> >> others bad luck, it could be misuse and   driving style.   My Dad
> >> owned 3 Audi 5000's, he never had any issues either, maybe   because
> >> he never pressed the gas instead of the brake.   Michael Shortt
> >>  On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, <[1] MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> >
> >> wrote:
> >>    In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [2] davel at emspace.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')>
> >> writes:     My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.     I
> >> think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
> >> unsprung weight for track use?     dave
> >>>>> Interesting.A  This was apparently a reply to an original post by
> >> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
> >> wind up in my spam folder?     I'm noting some irregularities with the
> >> forum these days....anyway,     thankfully Dave included Michael's
> >> original post, so see replies     below:
> >>>    On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: A  A A  Greetings,
> >>> A  A A  After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
> >>    inventory today,
> >>> A  A A  I have 21 Campy wheels,
> >>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
> >>
> >>> A  A A  5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
> >>    Triple
> >>> A  A A  Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels
> >>    made for Hall
> >>> A  A A  Pantera.
> >>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?A  He did
> >>    make them for several other vendors, in several different styles,
> >> some markedly better than others.A  Can you share some images
> >> perhaps to help in identification?     Hall did have somebody cast up
> >> ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were     welded together, and perhaps
> >> Coddington was the source for those?
> >>>> A  A A  And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and
> >>    245/40.
> >>>>> What kind of wheels are those?A  10 spokes is a pretty vague
> >>    descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
> >> they have at least. :>)
> >>>
> >>> A  A A  I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use, A  A A
> >>> And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
> >>    Rally and
> >>> A  A A  Track use.
> >>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
> >>    wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
> >> center spinner?A  Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with
> >> the latter being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've
> >> ever encountered).
> >>> A  A A  I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
> >>    Blackwalls
> >>> A  A A  and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
> >>    With a spare
> >>> A  A A  Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
> >>>>> Sounds good!A
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> A  A A  That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose
> >>    of. Sell or
> >>> A  A A  Trade. Photos Available.
> >>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?A  What kind are
> >>    they?A  Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some
> >> L-model wheels?
> >>> A  A A  I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
> >>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.A
> >> These were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile
> >> prototype.A I have no idea how many were put into production but
> >> I've never seen any other car wearing them, so I would have to
> >> imagine the number is very small indeed.A  Even 1006, the earliest
> >> known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels.     So don't hold your
> >> breath waiting for a full set of three-slot     wheels to appear. :>)
> >>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
> >>    Campy
> >>> A  A A  Wheel education.
> >>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
> >>    your aftermarket wheels.A  Simply put, I would never wish
> >> three-piece Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for
> >> track use.A  We collectively know about multiple failures, which
> >> always led to rapid deflation and a potential accident.A  Jack has
> >> often told of the car that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las
> >> Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled
> >> himself; I believe it thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
> >> remember that aspect of the story for sure.A  Jack?     Larry Stock
> >> had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to     sell; a
> >> rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!)   and he had
> >> to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had     cracked
> >> halfway around.A  The other three wheels had similar cracks     when
> >> they were taken apart and inspected.     And Mad Dog's fire was
> >> indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall     wheel; when the left
> >> rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the     freeway in Los
> >> Angeles.A  What wasn't seen was that during the     collapse, the
> >> brake line was damaged.A  MD swapped his stock wheels     w/race tires
> >> on and ran the Silver State a day or two later, but     when he
> >> stepped on the brakes at the finish line, the line ruptured,     fluid
> >> sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest was history.     And on and on
> >> and on...I'm sure there are many others.     Those wheels were a very
> >> well-intentioned design but they were     woefully under-engineered,
> >> and today should be related either to a     display case, or a
> >> recycling bin IMHO....     So tell me exactly what kind of wheels
> >> you're talking about here, as     the Coddington wheels (which I have
> >> aesthetic problems with,  admittedly) are nothing like these Hall
> >> wheels at all.
> >>>> A  A A  Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the
> >>    green primer,
> >>> A  A A  I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just
> >>    to see the
> >>> A  A A  final results. A  A A  Photo attached.
> >>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
> >>    either....     Cheers! Mike
> >>  --   Michael L. Shortt   Savannah, Georgia   [3]
> >> www.michaelshortt.com <http://www.michaelshortt.com>   [4]
> >> michael at michaelshortt.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('michael at michaelshortt.com
> ')>
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> >> strictly prohibited.A  Please reply to the sender that   you   have
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> >> mailto:davel at emspace.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')>   3.
> >> http://www.michaelshortt.com/ <http://www.michaelshortt.com/>   4.
> >> mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
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> ')>
> >> ------------------------------
> >> Message: 9 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:23:36 -0800 From: "Tomas
> >> Gunnarsson" < guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> > To: <
> >> MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> >
> >> Cc: < gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> >,
> >> < detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: <
> >> F6F0EDD7F26440B0970C3CD2C70F6033 at mail2world.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('
> F6F0EDD7F26440B0970C3CD2C70F6033 at mail2world.com')>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >> Mike,
> >> Bill originally wrote: Something that that blocks fluid in the brake
> >> lines to hold calipers pressed against the rotors.
> >>
> >> Aka line loc.
> >>
> >> OEM electric parking brakes work by having an electric motor actuate
> >> the brake via a mechanical device, like a wire.
> >>
> >> Tomas
> >>
> >>
> >> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> >> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso [ detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> ]
> >> Sent: 13/1/2016 8:51:53 PM To: guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> ;
> >> gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
> >> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> >>
> >> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
> >>
> >>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency brake
> >>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the
> >>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
> >>
> >>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about
> >>>>> an
> >> (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the OEMs
> >> and is in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective to
> >> satisfy government regulations worldwide). Such systems are now
> >> available in the aftermarket.
> >> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
> >> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
> >> 'arm' that is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know
> >> that for sure?
> >> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient to
> >> hold a car for any length of time; they are designed for very
> >> short-term use only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than
> >> an inch) crashing into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow
> >> it and the fool parked it overnight on a slope in neutral with the
> >> line lock engaged. As the brakes cooled at night, they released and
> >> the car rolled through a lot crowded with collector cars, brushed past
> >> the Aston and crashed through a hedge and down into a ditch!
> >> Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been very bad indeed.
> >> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
> >> much more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would
> >> still hold pressure even as the fluid cooled. However, it would not
> >> serve as a proper emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure
> >> (say, a seal blew out in a caliper) whereas a cable-type system that
> >> mechanically leverages the components of the caliper requires no
> >> hydraulics to work.
> >> Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30 years...park
> >> wisely and hope for the best!) -------------- next part --------------
> >> Mike,
> >>  Bill originally wrote: Something that that blocks fluid in the brake
> >> lines to hold calipers pressed against the rotors.
> >>  Aka line loc.
> >>  OEM electric parking brakes work by having an electric motor actuate
> >> the brake via a mechanical device, like a wire.
> >>  Tomas   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->       From: Mike Drew
> >> via DeTomaso [ detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> ]
> >> Sent: 13/1/2016 8:51:53 PM   To: guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> ;
> >> gaino at earthlink.net
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
> >> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes   In a message dated 1/13/16 8
> >> 03 59, guson at home.se
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
> >>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency brake
> >>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the
> >>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
> >>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about
> >>>>> an
> >>  (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the
> >> OEMs   and is   in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently
> >> effective to satisfy   government regulations worldwide). Such systems
> >> are now available in   the   aftermarket.   I confess I don't know if
> >> OEM electric parking brake systems work by   pressurizing the fluid in
> >> the line, or if they are a simple mechanical   'arm' that   is pulling
> >> on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for   sure?
> >> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient to
> >> hold   a car for any length of time; they are designed for very
> >> short-term use   only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less
> >> than an inch)   crashing   into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a
> >> friend borrow it and the fool   parked it   overnight on a slope in
> >> neutral with the line lock engaged. As the   brakes   cooled at night,
> >> they released and the car rolled through a lot crowded   with
> >> collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a hedge and
> >> down   into a ditch! Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been
> >> very   bad   indeed.   A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake
> >> hydraulics would be much   more effective because it has its own
> >> master cylinder that would still   hold   pressure even as the fluid
> >> cooled. However, it would not serve as a   proper   emergency brake if
> >> there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal blew out   in a   caliper)
> >> whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages the
> >> components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work.   Mike (who
> >> has had no parking brake at all for the past 30 years...park   wisely
> >> and hope for the best!)
> >> ------------------------------
> >> Message: 10 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:30:22 -0800 From: Larry Stock <
> >> larrys at panteraparts.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('larrys at panteraparts.com')>
> >>> To: < MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> >, <
> >> davel at emspace.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> >, <
> >> detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >,
> >> < michael at michaelshortt.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('michael at michaelshortt.com
> ')>
> >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID:
> >> <D2BC0041.15C59F% larrys at panteraparts.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('larrys at panteraparts.com')>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="ISO-8859-1"
> >> I am taking in a set of 8?s and 10?s X15? Campy?s with new tires next
> >> week on a sale and trade I am doing. Since you guys are talking about
> >> these, I am going to have a set available in the next week or so.
> >> E-mail me for more info and details. Larrys at PanteraParts.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('Larrys at PanteraParts.com')>
> >> (1-800-DeTomaso) 800-338-6627
> >>
> >> On 1/13/16, 12:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" <
> >> detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> ')>
> >> on behalf of detomaso at poca.com
> >> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >
> >> wrote:
> >>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com
> >>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')>
> >>> writes:
> >>>   My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.    I think
> >>> that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
> >>> unsprung weight for track use?    dave
> >>>>>> Interesting.  This was apparently a reply to an original post by
> >>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
> >>> wind  up in my spam folder?  I'm noting some irregularities with the
> >>> forum these days....anyway,  thankfully Dave included Michael's
> >>> original post, so see replies below:
> >>>>   On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:    Greetings,
> >>>>   After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
> >>>   inventory today,
> >>>>   I have 21 Campy wheels,
> >>>
> >>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
> >>>
> >>>>   5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
> >>>   Triple
> >>>>   Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
> >>>   for Hall
> >>>>   Pantera.
> >>>
> >>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?  He did
> >>> make them for several other vendors, in several different styles,
> >>> some  markedly better than others.  Can you share some images perhaps
> >>> to help  in identification?  Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke
> >>> Si-looking wheels that were  welded together, and perhaps Coddington
> >>> was the source for those?
> >>>>>   And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
> >>>
> >>>>>> What kind of wheels are those?  10 spokes is a pretty vague
> >>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
> >>> they  have at least. :>)
> >>>>
> >>>>   I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,    And one
> >>>> set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
> >>>   Rally and
> >>>>   Track use.
> >>>
> >>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
> >>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
> >>> center  spinner?  Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with
> >>> the latter  being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've
> >>> ever  encountered).
> >>>>   I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
> >>>   Blackwalls
> >>>>   and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
> >>>   With a spare
> >>>> Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
> >>>
> >>>>>> Sounds good!
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>   That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
> >>>   Sell or
> >>>>   Trade. Photos Available.
> >>>
> >>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?  What kind are
> >>> they?  Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some
> >>> L-model  wheels?
> >>>>   I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
> >>>
> >>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.  These
> >>> were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.
> >>> I  have no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen
> >>> any  other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is
> >>> very  small indeed.  Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant,
> >>> had single  slot wheels.  So don't hold your breath waiting for a
> >>> full set of three-slot wheels  to appear. :>)
> >>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
> >>>   Campy
> >>>>   Wheel education.
> >>>
> >>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
> >>> your aftermarket wheels.  Simply put, I would never wish three-piece
> >>> Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.  We
> >>> collectively know about multiple failures, which always led to rapid
> >>> deflation and a potential accident.  Jack has often told of the car
> >>> that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit
> >>> speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe i...
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   Best...debate follows.

   If you are anal and want to do it perfectly, sure.

   Best glass option, dual pane set up with small air gap.

   Other wise saftey glass, or lexan.
   NEVER Plexiglass, in a crash, it can crack and if pushed the wrong
   way...well...cut your head off.

   Michael Shortt

   On Jan 16, 2016 11:40 AM, "tom ware" <[1]ace595 at hotmail.com> wrote:

     Rear window?
     Since the project I purchased (73 L) was apart I have many
     questions!
     Before I install the engine is it best to fit / install the rear
     window?
     Plexiglass? Lexan? Acrylic?
     Should I make my own? Thickness?
     I do have templates
     Thanks for everyone's help!
     And feed back
     Tom
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     >A  A 1. Re: parking brakes (gudmund fr?land)
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     >A  A 4. Re: parking brakes (B Hower)
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     > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 08:23:50 +0000 (UTC)
     > From: gudmund fr?land <[9]gudmundfroiland at yahoo.no>
     > To: 'marshall smith' <[10]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,A  A
     'Tomas
     >A  A  Gunnarsson' <[11]guson at home.se>,A
     <[12]gaino at earthlink.net>,A  A  Stephen
     >A  A  <[13]steve at snclocks.com>
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     > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
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     > Is there any here who have tried to install more normal E-Brake
     handle that have the wire going in on the handle instead of the rod.
     I am thinking that if the handle are replaced with fex BMW handle it
     would give a lot better leaver force instead of the arm down under
     the car are about same length as the handle inside car.
     > Den fre 2016-01-15 skrev Stephen <[16]steve at snclocks.com>:
     >
     > Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     > Til: "'marshall smith'" <[17]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
     "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <[18]guson at home.se>, [19]gaino at earthlink.net
     > Kopi: [20]detomaso at poca.com
     > Dato: Fredag 15. januar 2016 05.36
     >
     > Fortunately my wife has
     > strong arms - that is the thing about our e-brakes - the
     > passenger needs to set and release them.
     >
     > Stephen Nelson
     >
     >
     > -----Original Message-----
     > From: marshall smith [mailto:[21]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
     >
     > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09
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     > To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <[22]guson at home.se>;
     [23]gaino at earthlink.net;
     > Stephen <[24]steve at snclocks.com>
     > Cc: [25]detomaso at poca.com
     > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >
     > Yikes....I could never trust
     > my E brake on 'this' hill!
     > --------------------------------------------
     > On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <[26]steve at snclocks.com>
     > wrote:
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     >A  Subject: Re:
     > [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >A  To:
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     >A  Cc: [29]detomaso at poca.com
     >A  Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
     >
     > ? ? Whilst
     > `inelegant',
     >A  at least the stock system
     > works well.? I installed
     > ? ? Wildwoods on
     > the front of the discs and? kept the originals on the
     > ? ? back.? I did have the originals
     >A  coated black - heck, doesn't look that
     > ? ? bad.
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     >A  On Behalf Of Tomas
     > ? ?
     > Gunnarsson
     > ? ? Sent: Wednesday, January
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     > ? ? To: [31]gaino at earthlink.net
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     > ? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >
     >
     > ? ?
     > That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't? work as
     > an emergency brake
     > ? ? and parking brake
     > function is dubious. If? you park your car with the
     > ? ? brakes hot they may release when they
     > cool? off.
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     > ? ? Tomas
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     > ? ? Is anybody using a solinoid based
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     > ? ?
     > blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold? calipers pressed
     > against the
     > ? ? rotors. My customer does
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     > From: Patrick HALS <[48]patrickhals at gmail.com>
     > To: "[49]detomaso at poca.com" <[50]detomaso at poca.com>
     > Subject: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
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     > Hi all,
     > What would be the best suggestion for a high power output,
     complete
     > Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit , if such complete kit
     exists?
     > When I mean " best suggestion " , that is the best value-
     reliability-
     > power-torque- fun and money ratio for a quick street engine .
     Complicated
     > ratio.... :>))
     > What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine )
     Cleveland
     > heads.
     > Just curious....
     > Thank you !
     > Pat
     > Candy 2862 - ADA 9628
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     >A  A Hi all,A
     >A  A What would be the best suggestion for a high power output,
     complete
     >A  A Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit , if such complete kit
     exists?A
     >A  A When I mean " best suggestion " , that is the best value-
     reliability-
     >A  A power-torque- fun and money ratio for a quick street engine .
     >A  A Complicated ratio.... :>))
     >A  A What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine )
     Cleveland
     >A  A heads.
     >A  A Just curious....
     >A  A Thank you !
     >A  A Pat
     >A  A Candy 2862 - ADA 9628
     >
     > ------------------------------
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     > Message: 3
     > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 06:38:09 -0500
     > From: Will Kooiman <[52]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
     > To: Patrick HALS <[53]patrickhals at gmail.com>,A  A
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     > Content-Type: text/plain;A  A  charset="ISO-8859-1"
     >
     > Best will vary depending on who you talk to.
     >
     > I was very happy with my 377?, offset ground stock crank stroker
     kit from
     > Dennis Quella.A  I killed that engine due to a mistake I made -
     not related
     > to the stroker kit.
     >
     > I am also very happy with the 408", 4? SCAT crank kit that I
     currently
     > have.
     >
     > These days, it?s hard to go wrong with anything.
     >
     > On 1/15/16, 4:36 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Patrick HALS"
     > <[57]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of
     [58]patrickhals at gmail.com> wrote:
     >
     >>A  Hi all,A
     >>A  What would be the best suggestion for a high power output,
     complete
     >>A  Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit , if such complete kit
     exists?A
     >>A  When I mean " best suggestion " , that is the best value-
     reliability-
     >>A  power-torque- fun and money ratio for a quick street engine .
     >>A  Complicated ratio.... :>))
     >>A  What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine )
     Cleveland
     >>A  heads.
     >>A  Just curious....
     >>A  Thank you !
     >>A  Pat
     >>A  Candy 2862 - ADA 9628
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     > Message: 4
     > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 11:41:05 +0000 (UTC)
     > From: B Hower <[61]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
     > To: Stephen <[62]steve at snclocks.com>,A  A  'marshall smith'
     >A  A  <[63]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,A  A  'Tomas Gunnarsson'
     <[64]guson at home.se>,
     >A  A  "[65]gaino at earthlink.net" <[66]gaino at earthlink.net>
     > Cc: "[67]detomaso at poca.com" <[68]detomaso at poca.com>
     > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     > Message-ID:
     >A  A
     <[69]286934332.5348481.1452858065317.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
     > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
     >
     > Question?? Aren't you supposed to apply brake pedal to apply pad
     pressure while setting the E-brake, thus you are only taking slack
     out of lever system? Am missing something here?
     > ?Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
     not be ! )
     >
     >
     >A  A  A  From: Stephen <[70]steve at snclocks.com>
     > To: 'marshall smith' <[71]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; 'Tomas
     Gunnarsson' <[72]guson at home.se>; [73]gaino at earthlink.net
     > Cc: [74]detomaso at poca.com
     > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:36 PM
     > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >
     > Fortunately my wife has strong arms - that is the thing about our
     e-brakes - the passenger needs to set and release them.
     >
     > Stephen Nelson
     >
     >
     > -----Original Message-----
     > From: marshall smith [mailto:[75]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
     > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09 AM
     > To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <[76]guson at home.se>;
     [77]gaino at earthlink.net; Stephen <[78]steve at snclocks.com>
     > Cc: [79]detomaso at poca.com
     > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >
     > Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
     > --------------------------------------------
     > On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <[80]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
     >
     > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     > To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <[81]guson at home.se>,
     [82]gaino at earthlink.net
     > Cc: [83]detomaso at poca.com
     > Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
     >
     > ? ? Whilst `inelegant',
     > at least the stock system works well.? I installed
     > ? ? Wildwoods on the front of the discs and? kept the originals on
     the
     > ? ? back.? I did have the originals
     > coated black - heck, doesn't look that
     > ? ? bad.
     >
     >
     > ? ? Stephen Nelson
     >
     >
     > ? ? -----Original Message-----
     > ? ? From: DeTomaso [mailto:[84]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
     > On Behalf Of Tomas
     > ? ? Gunnarsson
     > ? ? Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
     > ? ? To: [85]gaino at earthlink.net
     > ? ? Cc: [86]detomaso at poca.com
     > ? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >
     >
     > ? ? That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't? work as an
     emergency brake
     > ? ? and parking brake function is dubious. If? you park your car
     with the
     > ? ? brakes hot they may release when they cool? off.
     >
     > ? ? Tomas
     >
     >
     > ? ? <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
     >
     >
     > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
     > ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
     > ? ? From: bill gaino [[87]gaino at earthlink.net]
     >
     > ? ? Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
     >
     > ? ? To: [1][88]detomaso at poca.com
     >
     > ? ? Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >
     >
     > ? ? Is anybody using a solinoid based parking? brake? Something
     that that
     > ? ? blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold? calipers pressed
     against the
     > ? ? rotors. My customer does not want the? extra set of E brake
     calipers..
     >
     > ? ? like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
     >
     >
     >
     > ? ?
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     ref=ts&
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     >
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     >
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     >A  A Question?? Aren't you supposed to apply brake pedal to apply
     pad
     >A  A pressure while setting the E-brake, thus you are only taking
     slack out
     >A  A of lever system? Am missing something here?
     >
     >A  A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there
     may not be
     >A  A ! )
     >A  A
     A __________________________________________________________________
     >
     >A  A From: Stephen <[102]steve at snclocks.com>
     >A  A To: 'marshall smith' <[103]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>;
     'Tomas Gunnarsson'
     >A  A <[104]guson at home.se>; [105]gaino at earthlink.net
     >A  A Cc: [106]detomaso at poca.com
     >A  A Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:36 PM
     >A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >A  A Fortunately my wife has strong arms - that is the thing about
     our
     >A  A e-brakes - the passenger needs to set and release them.
     >A  A Stephen Nelson
     >A  A -----Original Message-----
     >A  A From: marshall smith
     [mailto:[1][107]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
     >A  A Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09 AM
     >A  A To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <[2][108]guson at home.se>;
     [3][109]gaino at earthlink.net;
     >A  A Stephen <[4][110]steve at snclocks.com>
     >A  A Cc: [5][111]detomaso at poca.com
     >A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >A  A Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
     >A  A --------------------------------------------
     >A  A On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <[6][112]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
     >A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >A  A To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <[7][113]guson at home.se>,
     [8][114]gaino at earthlink.net
     >A  A Cc: [9][115]detomaso at poca.com
     >A  A Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
     >A  A  A  A Whilst `inelegant',
     >A  A at least the stock system works well.A  I installed
     >A  A  A  A Wildwoods on the front of the discs andA  kept the
     originals on the
     >A  A  A  A back.A  I did have the originals
     >A  A coated black - heck, doesn't look that
     >A  A  A  A bad.
     >A  A  A  A Stephen Nelson
     >A  A  A  A -----Original Message-----
     >A  A  A  A From: DeTomaso
     [mailto:[10][116]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
     >A  A On Behalf Of Tomas
     >A  A  A  A Gunnarsson
     >A  A  A  A Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
     >A  A  A  A To: [11][117]gaino at earthlink.net
     >A  A  A  A Cc: [12][118]detomaso at poca.com
     >A  A  A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >A  A  A  A That's simply not a good solution. Doesn'tA  work as an
     emergency
     >A  A brake
     >A  A  A  A and parking brake function is dubious. IfA  you park
     your car with
     >A  A the
     >A  A  A  A brakes hot they may release when they coolA  off.
     >A  A  A  A Tomas
     >A  A  A  A <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
     >
     >
     >A  A  A  A From: bill gaino [[13][119]gaino at earthlink.net]
     >A  A  A  A Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
     >A  A  A  A To: [1][14][120]detomaso at poca.com
     >A  A  A  A Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >A  A  A  A Is anybody using a solinoid based parkingA  brake?
     Something that
     >A  A that
     >A  A  A  A blocks fluid in the brake lines to holdA  calipers
     pressed against
     >A  A the
     >A  A  A  A rotors. My customer does not want theA  extra set of E
     brake
     >A  A calipers..
     >A  A  A  A like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
     >
     >A
     A [2][15][121]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637
     149634?ref
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     >
     > Message: 5
     > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 07:59:24 -0500
     > From: Will Kooiman <[160]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
     > To: B Hower <[161]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>, Stephen
     <[162]steve at snclocks.com>,
     >A  A  'marshall smith' <[163]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,A  A
     'Tomas Gunnarsson'
     >A  A  <[164]guson at home.se>,A  A  "[165]gaino at earthlink.net"
     <[166]gaino at earthlink.net>
     > Cc: "[167]detomaso at poca.com" <[168]detomaso at poca.com>
     > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     > Message-ID: <[169]D2BE5702.128F1E%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
     > Content-Type: text/plain;A  A  charset="US-ASCII"
     >
     > You're not supposed to apply the brake pedal when you set the
     e-brake.
     >
     > You just yank on the handle and you're set.
     >
     > That's why it's also an emergency brake.A  If your hydraulics go
     out, you
     > can use your hand brake in an emergency.
     >
     > --
     > Will
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >> On 1/15/16 6:41 AM, "B Hower via DeTomaso"
     <[170]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
     >>
     >>A  Question?? Aren't you supposed to apply brake pedal to apply
     pad
     >>A  pressure while setting the E-brake, thus you are only taking
     slack out
     >>A  of lever system? Am missing something here?
     >>
     >>A  Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
     not be
     >>A  ! )
     >>A  A
     __________________________________________________________________
     >>
     >>A  From: Stephen <[171]steve at snclocks.com>
     >>A  To: 'marshall smith' <[172]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>;
     'Tomas Gunnarsson'
     >>A  <[173]guson at home.se>; [174]gaino at earthlink.net
     >>A  Cc: [175]detomaso at poca.com
     >>A  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:36 PM
     >>A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >>A  Fortunately my wife has strong arms - that is the thing about
     our
     >>A  e-brakes - the passenger needs to set and release them.
     >>A  Stephen Nelson
     >>A  -----Original Message-----
     >>A  From: marshall smith
     [mailto:[1][176]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
     >>A  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09 AM
     >>A  To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <[2][177]guson at home.se>;
     [3][178]gaino at earthlink.net;
     >>A  Stephen <[4][179]steve at snclocks.com>
     >>A  Cc: [5][180]detomaso at poca.com
     >>A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >>A  Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
     >>A  --------------------------------------------
     >>A  On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <[6][181]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
     >>A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >>A  To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <[7][182]guson at home.se>,
     [8][183]gaino at earthlink.net
     >>A  Cc: [9][184]detomaso at poca.com
     >>A  Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
     >>A  A  A  Whilst `inelegant',
     >>A  at least the stock system works well.A  I installed
     >>A  A  A  Wildwoods on the front of the discs andA  kept the
     originals on the
     >>A  A  A  back.A  I did have the originals
     >>A  coated black - heck, doesn't look that
     >>A  A  A  bad.
     >>A  A  A  Stephen Nelson
     >>A  A  A  -----Original Message-----
     >>A  A  A  From: DeTomaso
     [mailto:[10][185]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
     >>A  On Behalf Of Tomas
     >>A  A  A  Gunnarsson
     >>A  A  A  Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
     >>A  A  A  To: [11][186]gaino at earthlink.net
     >>A  A  A  Cc: [12][187]detomaso at poca.com
     >>A  A  A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >>A  A  A  That's simply not a good solution. Doesn'tA  work as an
     emergency
     >>A  brake
     >>A  A  A  and parking brake function is dubious. IfA  you park your
     car with
     >>A  the
     >>A  A  A  brakes hot they may release when they coolA  off.
     >>A  A  A  Tomas
     >>A  A  A  <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
     >>
     >>
     >>A  A  A  From: bill gaino [[13][188]gaino at earthlink.net]
     >>A  A  A  Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
     >>A  A  A  To: [1][14][189]detomaso at poca.com
     >>A  A  A  Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >>A  A  A  Is anybody using a solinoid based parkingA  brake?
     Something that
     >>A  that
     >>A  A  A  blocks fluid in the brake lines to holdA  calipers
     pressed against
     >>A  the
     >>A  A  A  rotors. My customer does not want theA  extra set of E
     brake
     >>A  calipers..
     >>A  A  A  like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
     >>
     >>A
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     9634?ref
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     > Message: 6
     > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 13:19:59 +0000 (GMT)
     > From: [231]cengles at cox.net
     > To: [232]jderyke at aol.com
     > Cc: [233]ace595 at hotmail.com, [234]detomaso at poca.com
     > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16
     > Message-ID: <[235]2d425f.13d91.15245714f4d.Webtop.0 at cox.net>
     > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
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     >
     > Dear Jack,
     >
     >A  A  A  A  A You wrote:
     >
     >A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A " the stock al-asbestos-al
     heat shield. "
     >
     >A  $$$$$$$$A  A Ah-hah!A  A I thought that there was some asbestos
     in there
     > somewhere, but I could not be sure. Obviously, it is sandwiched
     between
     > the aluminum layers.A  Thanks for bolstering my fuzzy memory.
     >
     >
     >A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A Warmest regards,A  Chuck
     Engles
     >
     >
     >
     >
     > -----Original Message-----
     > From: Charles Engles <[236]cengles at cox.net>
     > To: 'tom ware' <[237]ace595 at hotmail.com>; detomaso
     <[238]detomaso at poca.com>
     > Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 5:26 pm
     > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16
     >
     > Dear Tom,
     >
     > I am not an expert, but....
     >
     > last year I removed the gas tank from my late '74 Pantera, which
     has had
     > the
     > stainless steel treatment for the last twenty five years.A  Behind
     the
     > bling
     > is the base stock thick aluminum(?) which is not a single layer.
     There
     > are
     > at least two layers and there *might* be a layer in between.A
     That is my
     > guess and I will defer to an expert.
     >
     > I think that the normal stainless steel shield installation is
     over the
     > stock one.A  Perhaps it is heavier, but it would tend to further
     shield
     > the
     > gas tank from the headers' heat.
     >
     > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
     >
     >
     > -----Original Message-----
     > From: DeTomaso [ mailto:[239]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
     >
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[240]detomaso-bounces at p
     oca.com')>
     > ] On Behalf Of tom ware
     > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:58 PM
     > To: [241]detomaso at poca.com
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     > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16
     >
     > Gas tank shield ?
     > I have a new stainless steel shield that came with my project.
     > Is it the norm to insulate it for heat.?
     > Thanks
     > Tom
     >
     > Sent from my iPhone
     >
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     >> Daily Detomaso List Digest
     >> Today's Topics:
     >>A  1. Re: parking brakes (Tomas Gunnarsson)A  A 2. Re: parking
     brakes (
     >> [255]MikeLDrew at aol.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[256]MikeLDrew at aol.com'
     )> )
     >> 3. Re: parking brakes ( [257]MikeLDrew at aol.com
     >>
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     >> 4. Re: parking brakes ( [259]MikeLDrew at aol.com
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     >> 5. Re: Campagnolo Wheels ( [261]MikeLDrew at aol.com
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     >> 6. Re: parking brakes (Stephen)A  A 7. Re: parking brakes (L
     GRAY)A  A 8.
     >> Re: Campagnolo Wheels (Michael Shortt) 9. Re: parking brakes
     (Tomas
     >> Gunnarsson)A  10. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (Larry Stock)A  11. Re:
     parking
     >> brakes (Charles McCall)A  12. Re: parking brakes (Tomas
     Gunnarsson)
     >> 13. Re: parking brakes (Charles McCall)A  14. Re: parking brakes
     >> (Thomas Tornblom)A  15. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (marshall smith)A
     16. Re:
     >> Campagnolo Wheels (marshall smith)A  17. Re: Campagnolo Wheels
     (Michael
     >> Shortt)A  18. Re: parking brakes (Ken Green)A  19. Re: parking
     brakes
     >> (Scott Bell)A  20. NPC 91 Merc parts (B Hower)A  21. NPC 2000 BMW
     740i
     >> Sport for whole or parts (Rob Dumoulin)A  22. Re: NPC 2000 BMW
     740i
     >> Sport for whole or partsA  A  A  (Mirril M. McMullen)A  23. Re:
     NPC 2000
     >> BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts (Rob Dumoulin)A  24. Re: NPC
     2000 BMW
     >> 740i Sport for whole or parts (Rob Dumoulin)A  25. Re: parking
     brakes
     >> (marshall smith)
     >>
     >>
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     >> Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:27:31 -0800 From: "Tomas
     >> Gunnarsson" < [263]guson at home.se
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[264]guson at home.se')> >
     To: <
     >> [265]gaino at earthlink.net
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[266]gaino at earthlink.ne
     t')> >
     >> Cc: < [267]steve at snclocks.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[268]steve at snclocks.com
     ')> >,
     >> < [269]detomaso at poca.com
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     )> >
     >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: <
     >> [271]46D238640B764EE3A581C2544BE74A80 at mail2world.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[272]46D238640B764EE3A5
     81C2544BE74A80 at mail2world.com')>
     >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
     >> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front
     side of
     >> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard
     that
     >> not all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that
     only
     >> newer cars that suffer from that.
     >> Tomas
     >>
     >>
     >> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
     >>A  A  A  A From: bill gaino [ [273]gaino at earthlink.net
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[274]gaino at earthlink.ne
     t')> ]
     >> Sent: 13/1/2016 6:13:51 PM To: [275]steve at snclocks.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[276]steve at snclocks.com
     ')> ;
     >> [277]guson at home.se
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[278]guson at home.se')>
     Cc:
     >> [279]detomaso at poca.com
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     )>
     >> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >>
     >> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position
     to
     >> use as Ebrake?A  He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey
     wired
     >> on the rear mounts..Bill 1362
     >>
     >>
     >>A  A -----Original Message-----A  A  From: StephenA  A  Sent: Jan
     13, 2016
     >> 11:21 AMA  A  To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' , [281]gaino at earthlink.net
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[282]gaino at earthlink.ne
     t')>
     >> Cc: [283]detomaso at poca.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[284]detomaso at poca.com'
     )>
     >> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >>
     >>
     >>A  A Whilst 'inelegant', at least the stock system works well.A  I
     >> installed Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the
     originals
     >> on the back.A  I did have the originals coated black - heck,
     doesn't
     >> look that bad.
     >>
     >>
     >>A  A Stephen Nelson
     >>
     >>
     >>A  A -----Original Message-----A  A  From: DeTomaso [
     >> mailto:[285]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[286]detomaso-bounces at p
     oca.com')>
     >> ] On Behalf Of Tomas GunnarssonA  A  Sent: Wednesday, January 13,
     2016
     >> 8:03 AMA  A  To: [287]gaino at earthlink.net
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[288]gaino at earthlink.ne
     t')>
     >> Cc: [289]detomaso at poca.com
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     )>
     >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >>
     >>
     >>A  A That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an
     emergency
     >> brake and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car
     with
     >> the brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
     >>
     >>
     >>A  A Tomas
     >>
     >>
     >>A  A <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
     >>
     >>
     >>A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A From: bill gaino
     [
     >> [291]gaino at earthlink.net
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[292]gaino at earthlink.ne
     t')> ]
     >>A  A Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
     >>A  A To: [293]detomaso at poca.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[294]detomaso at poca.com'
     )> <
     >> mailto:[295]detomaso at poca.com
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     )> >
     >>A  A Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >>
     >>
     >>A  A Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something
     that
     >> that blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed
     against
     >> the rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake
     >> calipers..
     >>A  A like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >>
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     f=ts&fref
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     >>
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     >> f>
     >>A  A =ts
     >>A  A If you want it slick. [301]www.slickpaint.com
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     >> . -------------- next part --------------A  A Yes Bill, most
     likely. I
     >> have installed calipers on the front side ofA  A the uprights,
     the holes
     >> were threaded and all. I think I heard that notA  A all uprights
     are
     >> drilled front and back but it may be that only newerA  A cars
     that
     >> suffer from that.
     >>A  TomasA  A <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->A  A  A  A From:
     bill gaino [
     >> [317]gaino at earthlink.net
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     t')> ]
     >> Sent: 13/1/2016 6:13:51 PMA  A To: [319]steve at snclocks.com
     >>
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     ')> ;
     >> [321]guson at home.se
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     A Cc:
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     >> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakesA  A Is it possible to
     mount the
     >> stock calipers in the front position to useA  A as Ebrake?A  He
     already
     >> has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired onA  A the rear
     mounts..Bill
     >> 1362
     >>A  A  -----Original Message-----A  A  A From: StephenA  A  A Sent:
     Jan 13,
     >> 2016 11:21 AMA  A  A To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' ,
     [325]gaino at earthlink.net
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     t')>
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     >> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >>A  Whilst `inelegant', at least the stock system works well.A  I
     >> installedA  A Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the
     originals
     >> on theA  A back.A  I did have the originals coated black - heck,
     doesn't
     >> look thatA  A bad.
     >>
     >>A  Stephen Nelson
     >>
     >>A  -----Original Message-----A  A From: DeTomaso [
     >> mailto:[329]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
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     >> ] On Behalf Of TomasA  A GunnarssonA  A Sent: Wednesday, January
     13, 2016
     >> 8:03 AMA  A To: [331]gaino at earthlink.net
     >>
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     t')>
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     >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >>
     >>A  That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
     >> brakeA  A and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your
     car
     >> with theA  A brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
     >>A  Tomas
     >>
     >>A  <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
     >>
     >>A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  From: bill gaino [
     [335]gaino at earthlink.net
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     >>A  Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >>
     >>A  Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that
     that
     >> blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against
     the
     >> rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake
     calipers..
     >>A  like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
     >>
     >>
     >>A  [2]
     >>
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     f=ts&
     >>
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     ef=ts&>
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     >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
     >>
     >> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, [371]guson at home.se
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[372]guson at home.se')>
     writes:
     >>
     >>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
     brake
     >>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with
     the
     >>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
     >>
     >>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock.A  A He's
     asking about
     >>>>> an
     >> (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the
     OEMs
     >> and
     > is
     >> in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective to
     satisfy
     >> government regulations worldwide).A  A Such systems are now
     available in
     >> the
     >
     >> aftermarket.
     >> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
     by
     >> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
     mechanical
     > 'arm' that
     >> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake?A  A Does anybody know
     that for
     > sure?
     >>
     >> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is
     insufficient to
     > hold
     >> a car for any length of time; they are designed for very
     short-term
     >> use only.A  A Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than
     an inch)
     > crashing
     >> into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow it and the
     fool
     > parked it
     >> overnight on a slope in neutral with the line lock engaged.A
     A As the
     > brakes
     >> cooled at night, they released and the car rolled through a lot
     >> crowded
     > with
     >> collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a
     hedge and
     > down
     >> into a ditch!A  A Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have
     been very
     >> bad
     >
     >> indeed.
     >> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would
     be
     >> much more effective because it has its own master cylinder that
     would
     >> still
     > hold
     >> pressure even as the fluid cooled.A  A However, it would not
     serve as a
     > proper
     >> emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal
     blew out
     >> in
     > a
     >> caliper) whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages
     the
     >> components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work.
     >> Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30
     years...park
     >> wisely and hope for the best!) -------------- next part
     --------------
     >> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, [373]guson at home.se
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[374]guson at home.se')>
     writes:
     >>A  A  That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an
     emergency
     >> brakeA  A  A and parking brake function is dubious. If you park
     your car
     >> with theA  A  A brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
     >>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock.A  He's asking
     about
     >>A  an (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered
     by the
     >> OEMs and is in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently
     effective
     >> to satisfy government regulations worldwide).A  Such systems are
     now
     >> available in the aftermarket.A  A I confess I don't know if OEM
     electric
     >> parking brake systems work byA  A pressurizing the fluid in the
     line, or
     >> if they are a simple mechanicalA  A 'arm' that is pulling on a
     >> mechanical parking brake?A  Does anybody knowA  A that for
     sure?A  A You're
     >> correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient toA
     A hold
     >> a car for any length of time; they are designed for veryA
     A short-term
     >> use only.A  Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less thanA
     A an
     >> inch) crashing into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend
     borrow
     >> it and the fool parked it overnight on a slope in neutral with
     the
     >> lineA  A lock engaged.A  As the brakes cooled at night, they
     released and
     >> the carA  A rolled through a lot crowded with collector cars,
     brushed
     >> past theA  A Aston and crashed through a hedge and down into a
     ditch!
     >> FortunatelyA  A it was unhurt, but it could have been very bad
     indeed.
     >> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would
     be
     >> muchA  A more effective because it has its own master cylinder
     that
     >> would stillA  A hold pressure even as the fluid cooled.A
     However, it
     >> would not serve asA  A a proper emergency brake if there was a
     hydraulic
     >> failure (say, a sealA  A blew out in a caliper) whereas a
     cable-type
     >> system that mechanicallyA  A leverages the components of the
     caliper
     >> requires no hydraulics to work.A  A Mike (who has had no parking
     brake
     >> at all for the past 30 years...parkA  A wisely and hope for the
     best!)
     >> ------------------------------
     >> Message: 3 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:51:57 -0500 From:
     >> [375]MikeLDrew at aol.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[376]MikeLDrew at aol.com'
     )> To:
     >> [377]gaino at earthlink.net
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[378]gaino at earthlink.ne
     t')> ,
     >> [379]steve at snclocks.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[380]steve at snclocks.com
     ')> ,
     >> [381]guson at home.se
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[382]guson at home.se')>
     Cc:
     >> [383]detomaso at poca.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[384]detomaso at poca.com'
     )>
     >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: <
     >> [385]72fdc9.23690f23.43c804dd at aol.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[386]72fdc9.23690f23.43
     c804dd at aol.com')>
     >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
     >>
     >> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, [387]gaino at earthlink.net
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[388]gaino at earthlink.ne
     t')>
     >> writes:
     >>
     >>> ?? Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front
     position
     >>> to use ?? as Ebrake?? He already has the Wilwoods installed and
     >>> saftey wired on ?? the rear mounts.
     >>
     >>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.A
     A The
     >> calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the
     rear of
     >> the wheelwell.A  A If the calipers are repositioned the cables
     will no
     >> longer
     > fit, plus if
     >> longer ones were used, they would foul the driveshafts on their
     way
     >> forward.A  A The only possible way to make a system like that
     work would
     >> be
     > to
     >> reposition the cables so they entered the wheelwells ahead of,
     instead
     >> of
     > behind
     >> the hub carriers, and there would be a fair bit of engineering
     >> involved.
     > I
     >> suppose it might be possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial
     > exercise.
     >>
     >> Mike -------------- next part --------------A  A In a message
     dated
     >> 1/13/16 9 15 10, [389]gaino at earthlink.net
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[390]gaino at earthlink.ne
     t')>
     >> writes:
     >>A  A  A  A Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front
     >> positionA  A  A to useA  A  A  A  as Ebrake?A  He already has the
     Wilwoods
     >> installed and safteyA  A  A wired onA  A  A  A  the rear mounts.
     >>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.A
     The
     >>A  calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the
     rear
     >> ofA  A the wheelwell.A  If the calipers are repositioned the
     cables will
     >> noA  A longer fit, plus if longer ones were used, they would foul
     the
     >> driveshafts on their way forward.A  The only possible way to make
     a
     >> system like that work would be to reposition the cables so they
     >> enteredA  A the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind the hub
     carriers,
     >> and thereA  A would be a fair bit of engineering involved.A  I
     suppose it
     >> might beA  A possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial
     exercise.
     >> Mike
     >> ------------------------------
     >> Message: 4 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:52:03 -0500 From:
     >> [391]MikeLDrew at aol.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[392]MikeLDrew at aol.com'
     )> To:
     >> [393]guson at home.se
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[394]guson at home.se')> ,
     >> [395]gaino at earthlink.net
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[396]gaino at earthlink.ne
     t')>
     >> Cc: [397]detomaso at poca.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[398]detomaso at poca.com'
     )>
     >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: <
     >> [399]72fddd.5edc2feb.43c804e3 at aol.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[400]72fddd.5edc2feb.43
     c804e3 at aol.com')>
     >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
     >>
     >> In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, [401]guson at home.se
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[402]guson at home.se')>
     writes:
     >>
     >>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front
     side of
     >>> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard
     that
     >>> not all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that
     only
     >>> newer cars that suffer from that.
     >>
     >>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes
     only
     >>>>> on
     >> one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a
     >> production
     >
     >> standpoint).
     >> Mike -------------- next part --------------A  A In a message
     dated
     >> 1/13/16 11 28 28, [403]guson at home.se
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[404]guson at home.se')>
     writes:
     >>A  A  Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the
     front side
     >> ofA  A  A the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think
     I heard
     >> thatA  A  A notA  A  all uprights are drilled front and back but
     it may be
     >> that onlyA  A  A newerA  cars that suffer from that.
     >>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes
     only
     >>A  on one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb
     from a
     >> production standpoint).A  A Mike
     >> ------------------------------
     >> Message: 5 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 15:19:19 -0500 From:
     >> [405]MikeLDrew at aol.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[406]MikeLDrew at aol.com'
     )> To:
     >> [407]davel at emspace.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[408]davel at emspace.com'
     )> ,
     >> [409]detomaso at poca.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[410]detomaso at poca.com'
     )> ,
     >> [411]michael at michaelshortt.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[412]michael at michaelsho
     rtt.com')>
     >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID: <
     >> [413]73161a.56810af3.43c80b47 at aol.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[414]73161a.56810af3.43
     c80b47 at aol.com')>
     >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
     >>
     >> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [415]davel at emspace.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[416]davel at emspace.com'
     )>
     >> writes:
     >>
     >>>
     >>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. I think
     that's
     >>> fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the unsprung
     weight
     >>> for track use? dave
     >>>
     >>>>> Interesting.A  A This was apparently a reply to an original
     post by
     >> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
     wind
     >> up
     > in my
     >> spam folder?
     >> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these
     days....anyway,
     >> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
     >> below:
     >>
     >>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: ? ?? Greetings,
     >>>> ? ?? After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
     >>>> inventory
     >>> today,
     >>>> ? ?? I have 21 Campy wheels,
     >>>
     >>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >>>> ? ?? 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and
     Zero
     >>>> Triple ? ?? Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington
     >>>> Wheels made for
     >>> Hall
     >>>> ? ?? Pantera.
     >>
     >>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?A
     A He did
     >>>>> make
     >> them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some
     >> markedly
     >
     >> better than others.A  A Can you share some images perhaps to help
     in
     >> identification?
     >> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that
     were
     > welded
     >> together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
     >>>>> ? ?? And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and
     245/40.
     >>>
     >>>>> What kind of wheels are those?A  A 10 spokes is a pretty vague
     >> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
     they
     > have at least. :>
     >> )
     >>>>
     >>>> ? ?? I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use, ?
     ?? And
     >>>> one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for Rally
     > and
     >>>> ? ?? Track use.
     >>>
     >>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or
     Hall
     > wheels
     >> which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
     >> spinner?
     >
     >> Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the latter being
     the
     >> only
     >
     >> genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever encountered).
     >>
     >>>> ? ?? I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with
     skinny
     >>> Blackwalls
     >>>> ? ?? and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
     With
     >>>> a
     >>> spare
     >>>> ? ?? Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
     >>>
     >>>>> Sounds good!
     >>>>
     >>>>> ? ?? That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose
     of.
     >>>>> Sell
     >>> or
     >>>> ? ?? Trade. Photos Available.
     >>>
     >>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?A  A What kind
     are
     >>>>> they?
     >
     >> Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
     >> wheels?
     >>>> ? ?? I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
     >>>
     >>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.A
     A These
     >>>>> were
     >> an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.A
     A I have
     >> no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any
     >> other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is
     very
     >> small indeed.
     > Even
     >> 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels.
     >> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot
     wheels
     >> to appear. :>)
     >>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
     Campy
     >>>> ? ?? Wheel education.
     >>>
     >>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned
     about
     >>>>> your
     >> aftermarket wheels.A  A Simply put, I would never wish
     three-piece Hall
     > wheels
     >> on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.A  A We
     collectively
     > know
     >> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and
     a
     > potential
     >> accident.A  A Jack has often told of the car that was zorching
     down Mt.
     >> Ch arleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his
     Hall
     >> wheel dismantled himself; I believe it thrust the car into the
     >> scenery, but
     > can't
     >> remember that aspect of the story for sure.A  A Jack?
     >> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying
     to
     >> sell;
     >
     >> a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and
     he had
     >> to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
     >> halfway
     > around.
     >> The other three wheels had similar cracks when they were taken
     apart
     >> and inspected.
     >> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his
     Hall
     >> wheel;
     >
     >> when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the
     freeway in
     >> Los
     >
     >> Angeles.A  A What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the
     brake
     >> line
     > was
     >> damaged.A  A MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran
     the
     >> Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped on the
     brakes at
     >> the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the
     exhaust and
     >> the rest was history.
     >> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
     >> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
     >> woefully under-engineered, and today should be related either to
     a
     >> display case, or
     > a
     >> recycling bin IMHO....
     >> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here,
     as
     >> the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,
     >> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
     >>>>> ? ?? Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the
     green
     >>> primer,
     >>>> ? ?? I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just
     to
     >>>> see
     >>> the
     >>>> ? ?? final results. ? ?? Photo attached.
     >>>
     >>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the
     photo
     >> either....
     >> Cheers!
     >> Mike -------------- next part --------------A  A In a message
     dated
     >> 1/10/16 21 39 38, [417]davel at emspace.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[418]davel at emspace.com'
     )>
     >> writes:
     >>A  A  My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.A  A  A I
     think
     >> that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
     >> unsprung weight for track use?A  A  A dave
     >>>>> Interesting.A  This was apparently a reply to an original post
     by
     >>A  Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did
     it
     >> windA  A up in my spam folder?A  A I'm noting some irregularities
     with the
     >> forum these days....anyway,A  A thankfully Dave included
     Michael's
     >> original post, so see replies below:
     >>>A  A  On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:A  A  Greetings,
     >>>A  A After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
     >>A  A  inventory today,
     >>>A  A I have 21 Campy wheels,
     >>
     >>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
     >>
     >>>A  A 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
     >>A  A  Triple
     >>>A  A Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels
     made
     >>A  A  for Hall
     >>>A  A Pantera.
     >>
     >>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?A  He
     did
     >>A  make them for several other vendors, in several different
     styles,
     >> someA  A markedly better than others.A  Can you share some images
     perhaps
     >> to helpA  A in identification?A  A Hall did have somebody cast up
     >> ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that wereA  A welded together, and
     perhaps
     >> Coddington was the source for those?
     >>>>A  A And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and
     245/40.
     >>
     >>>>> What kind of wheels are those?A  10 spokes is a pretty vague
     >> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
     they
     >> have at least. :>)
     >>>
     >>>A  A I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,A  A
     And one
     >>> set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
     >>A  A  Rally and
     >>>A  A Track use.
     >>
     >>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or
     Hall
     >>A  wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a
     fake
     >> centerA  A spinner?A  Those are as different as chalk and cheese
     (with
     >> the latterA  A being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels
     I've
     >> everA  A encountered).
     >>>A  A I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
     >>A  A  Blackwalls
     >>>A  A and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
     >>A  A  With a spare
     >>>A  A Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
     >>
     >>>>> Sounds good!
     >>
     >>>
     >>>>A  A That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose
     of.
     >>A  A  Sell or
     >>>A  A Trade. Photos Available.
     >>
     >>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?A  What kind
     are
     >>A  they?A  Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for
     some
     >> L-modelA  A wheels?
     >>>A  A I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
     >>
     >>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.A
     These
     >>A  were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile
     prototype.
     >> IA  A have no idea how many were put into production but I've
     never seen
     >> any other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number
     is
     >> veryA  A small indeed.A  Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera
     extant,
     >> had singleA  A slot wheels.A  A So don't hold your breath waiting
     for a
     >> full set of three-slot wheelsA  A to appear. :>)
     >>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
     >>A  A  Campy
     >>>A  A Wheel education.
     >>
     >>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned
     about
     >>A  your aftermarket wheels.A  Simply put, I would never wish
     three-piece
     >> Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for track
     use.A  We
     >> collectively know about multiple failures, which always led to
     rapid
     >> deflation and a potential accident.A  Jack has often told of the
     car
     >> that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple
     digit
     >> speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe
     it
     >> thrust the car into the scenery, but can't remember that aspect
     of the
     >> story for sure.A  Jack?A  A Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
     >> Concorso that he was trying toA  A sell; a rear wheel simply blew
     apart
     >> while the car was parked (!) andA  A he had to tow it back to
     Nevada as
     >> it couldn't be fixed--it had crackedA  A halfway around.A  The
     other
     >> three wheels had similar cracks when theyA  A were taken apart
     and
     >> inspected.A  A And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the
     failure
     >> of his HallA  A wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car
     fell
     >> down onto theA  freeway in Los Angeles.A  What wasn't seen was
     that
     >> during the collapse,A  A the brake line was damaged.A  MD swapped
     his
     >> stock wheels w/race tiresA  A on and ran the Silver State a day
     or two
     >> later, but when he stepped onA  A the brakes at the finish line,
     the
     >> line ruptured, fluid sprayed ontoA  A the exhaust and the rest
     was
     >> history.A  A And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many
     others.
     >> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
     >> woefullyA  A under-engineered, and today should be related either
     to a
     >> display case,A  A or a recycling bin IMHO....A  A So tell me
     exactly what
     >> kind of wheels you're talking about here, asA  A the Coddington
     wheels
     >> (which I have aesthetic problems with,A  A admittedly) are
     nothing like
     >> these Hall wheels at all.
     >>>>A  A Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the
     green
     >>A  A  primer,
     >>>A  A I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just
     to
     >>A  A  see the
     >>>A  A final results.A  A  Photo attached.
     >>
     >>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the
     photo
     >>A  either....A  A Cheers!A  A Mike
     >> ------------------------------
     >> Message: 6 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:23:56 -0800 From: "Stephen"
     <
     >> [419]steve at snclocks.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[420]steve at snclocks.com
     ')> >
     >> To: < [421]MikeLDrew at aol.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[422]MikeLDrew at aol.com'
     )> >,
     >> < [423]gaino at earthlink.net
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[424]gaino at earthlink.ne
     t')> >,
     >> < [425]guson at home.se
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[426]guson at home.se')> >
     Cc: <
     >> [427]detomaso at poca.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[428]detomaso at poca.com'
     )> >
     >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID:
     >> <00d501d14e40$54625920$fd270b60$@[429]snclocks.com> Content-Type:
     >> text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
     >> When I was going through my brakes I wanted to clean out the
     e-brake
     >> housings and the cables.A  So, I cut off the cable ends, took
     >> everything apart, took all the old plastic sheath off the
     housings,
     >> replaced with
     > heavy
     >> shrink-to-fit, cut the housings to be a better fit with less
     excess
     > length,
     >> lubed with graphite-impregnated grease, then put new ends on the
     >> cables to match the length that they needed to be.A  Went
     together very
     >> nicely.
     >>
     >>
     >> It would have been pretty much as simple to change length to
     match a
     >> front mounting for the originals, but would have likely required
     >> cutting a pair
     > of
     >> holes in the sheet metal - I hate extra holes.
     >>
     >>
     >> For what all that is worth.
     >>
     >>
     >> Stephen Nelson
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >> From: [430]MikeLDrew at aol.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[431]MikeLDrew at aol.com'
     )> [
     >> mailto:[432]MikeLDrew at aol.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[433]MikeLDrew at aol.com'
     )> ]
     >> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:52 AM To:
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     >>
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     t')> ;
     >> [436]steve at snclocks.com
     >>
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     ')> ;
     >> [438]guson at home.se
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[439]guson at home.se')>
     Cc:
     >> [440]detomaso at poca.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[441]detomaso at poca.com'
     )>
     >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, [442]gaino at earthlink.net
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[443]gaino at earthlink.ne
     t')> <
     >> mailto:[444]gaino at earthlink.net
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[445]gaino at earthlink.ne
     t')> >
     >> writes:
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >>A  Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front
     position to
     >> useA  A as Ebrake?A  He already has the Wilwoods installed and
     saftey
     >> wired onA  A the rear mounts.
     >>
     >>
     >>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.A
     The
     > calipers
     >> are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear of the
     > wheelwell.
     >> If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no longer fit,
     plus
     >> if longer ones were used, they would foul the driveshafts on
     their way
     > forward.
     >> The only possible way to make a system like that work would be to
     > reposition
     >> the cables so they entered the wheelwells ahead of, instead of
     behind
     >> the hub carriers, and there would be a fair bit of engineering
     >> involved.A  I suppose it might be possible, but it certainly
     won't be a
     >> trivial
     > exercise.
     >>
     >> Mike
     >> -------------- next part -------------- When I was going through
     my
     >> brakes I wanted to clean out the e-brakeA  A housings and the
     cables.
     >> So, I cut off the cable ends, took everythingA  A apart, took all
     the
     >> old plastic sheath off the housings, replaced withA  A heavy
     >> shrink-to-fit, cut the housings to be a better fit with lessA
     A excess
     >> length, lubed with graphite-impregnated grease, then put newA
     A ends on
     >> the cables to match the length that they needed to be.A  Went
     >> together very nicely.
     >>
     >>A  It would have been pretty much as simple to change length to
     match a
     >> front mounting for the originals, but would have likely required
     >> cutting a pair of holes in the sheet metal - I hate extra
     holes...
     >>
     >>A  For what all that is worth.
     >>
     >>A  Stephen Nelson
     >>
     >>
     >>A  From: [446]MikeLDrew at aol.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[447]MikeLDrew at aol.com'
     )> [
     >> mailto:[448]MikeLDrew at aol.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[449]MikeLDrew at aol.com'
     )> ]
     >> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:52 AMA  A To:
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     >>
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     t')> ;
     >> [452]steve at snclocks.com
     >>
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     ')> ;
     >> [454]guson at home.se
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[455]guson at home.se')>A
     A Cc:
     >> [456]detomaso at poca.com
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     )>
     >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >>
     >>A  In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, [1]
     [458]gaino at earthlink.net
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[459]gaino at earthlink.ne
     t')>
     >> writes:
     >>A  A  A  A Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front
     >> positionA  A  A to useA  A  A  A  as Ebrake?A  He already has the
     Wilwoods
     >> installed and safteyA  A  A wired onA  A  A  A  the rear mounts.
     >>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.A
     The
     >>A  calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the
     rear
     >> ofA  A the wheelwell.A  If the calipers are repositioned the
     cables will
     >> noA  A longer fit, plus if longer ones were used, they would foul
     the
     >> driveshafts on their way forward.A  The only possible way to make
     a
     >> system like that work would be to reposition the cables so they
     >> enteredA  A the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind the hub
     carriers,
     >> and thereA  A would be a fair bit of engineering involved.A  I
     suppose it
     >> might beA  A possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial
     exercise.
     >> Mike
     >> References
     >>A  1. mailto:[460]gaino at earthlink.net
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[461]gaino at earthlink.ne
     t')>
     >> ------------------------------
     >> Message: 7 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 21:07:23 +0000 From: L GRAY <
     >> [462]tipo874a at msn.com
     >>
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     > > To:
     >> " [464]MikeLDrew at aol.com
     >>
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     )> " <
     >> [466]MikeLDrew at aol.com
     >>
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     )> >
     >> Cc: " [468]guson at home.se
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     >> [470]guson at home.se
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     >, "
     >> [472]gaino at earthlink.net
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     >> " [476]detomaso at poca.com
     >>
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     >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID:
     > <
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     utlook
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     >>
     >> Hate to disagree here Mike. The only uprights that were produced
     for a
     > Pantera that were right or left handed were "some" of Hall
     Pantera's
     > aluminum uprights, and they originally had mounts on front and
     rear. For
     > some reason later on in production they were built without both
     sets of
     > ears.......... never understood why .......as you said dumb idea
     !!
     >>A  A  A The Group 4 uprights were manufactured with both sets of
     ears.
     >> Some
     > of you may not know that the GT 5 and the GT 5-S rear uprights
     were
     > taken
     > from the competition Group 4 spares inventory.
     >>
     >> Leslie A. Gray
     >>> On Jan 13, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <
     >>> [480]detomaso at poca.com
     >>>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[481]detomaso at poca.com'
     )> >
     > wrote:
     >>>
     >>> In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, [482]guson at home.se
     >>>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[483]guson at home.se')>
     writes:
     >>>A  A Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the
     front side
     >>> ofA  A  the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I
     heard
     >>> thatA  A  notA  A  all uprights are drilled front and back but
     it may be
     >>> that onlyA  A  newerA  A  cars that suffer from that.
     >>>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes
     only
     >>> on one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from
     a
     >>> production standpoint).A  Mike
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     >> ------------------------------
     >> Message: 8 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 16:20:31 -0500 From: Michael
     Shortt
     >> < [488]michaelsavga at gmail.com
     >>
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     >>> To: 576103 < [490]MikeLDrew at aol.com
     >>
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     )> >
     >> Cc: Dave Londry < [492]davel at emspace.com
     >>
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     )> >, "
     >> [494]detomaso at poca.com
     >>
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     >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID:
     >> <CAEWtxWrnqwjnrhKaKWzkxyc4SnmmwfoeAk1gHft7eVUsB=
     [498]Di5Q at mail.gmail.com
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     >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
     >> none of my wheels are assembled ( fasteners) 3 piece wheels, all
     are
     > welded
     >> or billet.
     >> I have driven on the wheels on street, on track and on the Tail
     of the
     >> Dragon and have had zero issues in 12 years with 2 different
     designs,
     >> not sure who mad ethe current wheels ( 10 spoke ), but they show
     no
     >> signs of stress, damage either.
     >> It may be my luck, it could be others bad luck, it could be
     misuse and
     >> driving style.
     >> My Dad owned 3 Audi 5000's, he never had any issues either, maybe
     >> because he never pressed the gas instead of the brake.
     >>
     >> Michael Shortt
     >>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, < [500]MikeLDrew at aol.com
     >>>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[501]MikeLDrew at aol.com'
     )> >
     >>> wrote:
     >>>
     >>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [502]davel at emspace.com
     >>>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[503]davel at emspace.com'
     )>
     >>> writes:
     >>>
     >>>
     >>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. I think
     that's
     >>> fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the unsprung
     weight
     >>> for track use? dave
     >>>
     >>>>>> Interesting.A  This was apparently a reply to an original
     post by
     >>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did
     it
     >>> wind up in my spam folder?
     >>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these
     days....anyway,
     >>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
     >>> below:
     >>>
     >>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:A  A  Greetings,
     >>>>A  A After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
     inventory
     >>> today,
     >>>>A  A I have 21 Campy wheels,
     >>>
     >>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>>A  A 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
     >>>> TripleA  A  Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington
     Wheels
     >>>> made for
     >>> Hall
     >>>>A  A Pantera.
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?A  He
     did
     >>>>>> make
     >>> them for several other vendors, in several different styles,
     some
     > markedly
     >>> better than others.A  Can you share some images perhaps to help
     in
     >>> identification?
     >>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that
     were
     >>> welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for
     those?
     >>>>>A  A And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and
     245/40.
     >>>
     >>>>>> What kind of wheels are those?A  10 spokes is a pretty vague
     >>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many
     spokes
     >>> they
     > have
     >>> at least. :>)
     >>>>
     >>>>A  A I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,A  A
     And one
     >>>> set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for Rally and
     >>>> Track use.
     >>>
     >>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or
     Hall
     >>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
     >>> center spinner?A  Those are as different as chalk and cheese
     (with the
     >>> latter
     > being
     >>> the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever
     encountered).
     >>>
     >>>>A  A I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
     >>> Blackwalls
     >>>>A  A and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
     With a
     >>> spare
     >>>>A  A Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
     >>>
     >>>>>> Sounds good!
     >>>
     >>>>
     >>>>>A  A That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose
     of.
     >>>>> Sell or
     >>>>A  A Trade. Photos Available.
     >>>
     >>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?A  What kind
     are
     >>>>>> they?
     >>> Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
     >>> wheels?
     >>>>A  A I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
     >>>
     >>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.A
     These
     >>>>>> were
     >>> an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.A
     I have
     >>> no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen
     any
     >>> other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is
     very
     >>> small indeed. Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had
     >>> single slot wheels.
     >>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot
     wheels
     >>> to appear. :>)
     >>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
     Campy
     >>>> Wheel education.
     >>>
     >>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned
     about
     >>>>>> your
     >>> aftermarket wheels.A  Simply put, I would never wish three-piece
     Hall
     > wheels
     >>> on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.A  We
     collectively
     > know
     >>> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and
     a
     >>> potential accident.A  Jack has often told of the car that was
     zorching
     > down
     >>> Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when
     his
     >>> Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe it thrust the car into
     the
     >>> scenery,
     > but
     >>> can't remember that aspect of the story for sure.A  Jack?
     >>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was
     trying to
     > sell;
     >>> a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and
     he
     >>> had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had
     cracked
     >>> halfway around.A  The other three wheels had similar cracks when
     they
     >>> were taken apart and inspected.
     >>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his
     Hall
     > wheel;
     >>> when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the
     freeway
     >>> in
     > Los
     >>> Angeles.A  What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the
     brake
     >>> line
     > was
     >>> damaged.A  MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran
     the
     >>> Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped on the
     brakes at
     >>> the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the
     exhaust
     >>> and the rest was history.
     >>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
     >>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
     >>> woefully under-engineered, and today should be related either to
     a
     >>> display case,
     > or
     >>> a recycling bin IMHO....
     >>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about
     here, as
     >>> the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,
     >>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
     >>>>>A  A Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the
     green
     >>> primer,
     >>>>A  A I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just
     to see
     >>>> theA  A  final results.A  A  Photo attached.
     >>>
     >>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the
     photo
     >>> either....
     >>> Cheers!
     >>> Mike
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >> --
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >> Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [504]www.michaelshortt.com
     >> <[505]http://www.michaelshortt.com>
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     >> you have received this message in error, then delete it.A  Thank
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     >> -------------- next part --------------A  A none of my wheels are
     >> assembled ( fasteners) 3 piece wheels, all areA  A welded or
     billet.A  A I
     >> have driven on the wheels on street, on track and on the Tail of
     the
     >> Dragon and have had zero issues in 12 years with 2 different
     designs,
     >> not sure who mad ethe current wheels ( 10 spoke ), but they show
     no
     >> signs of stress, damage either.A  A It may be my luck, it could
     be
     >> others bad luck, it could be misuse andA  A driving style.A  A My
     Dad
     >> owned 3 Audi 5000's, he never had any issues either, maybeA
     A because
     >> he never pressed the gas instead of the brake.A  A Michael Shortt
     >>A  On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, <[1] [508]MikeLDrew at aol.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[509]MikeLDrew at aol.com'
     )> >
     >> wrote:
     >>A  A  In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [2]
     [510]davel at emspace.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[511]davel at emspace.com'
     )>
     >> writes:A  A  A My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the
     mags.A  A  A I
     >> think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
     >> unsprung weight for track use?A  A  A dave
     >>>>> Interesting.AA  This was apparently a reply to an original
     post by
     >> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
     >> wind up in my spam folder?A  A  A I'm noting some irregularities
     with the
     >> forum these days....anyway,A  A  A thankfully Dave included
     Michael's
     >> original post, so see repliesA  A  A below:
     >>>A  A  On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: AA  A AA
     Greetings,
     >>> AA  A AA  After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
     >>A  A  inventory today,
     >>> AA  A AA  I have 21 Campy wheels,
     >>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
     >>
     >>> AA  A AA  5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and
     Zero
     >>A  A  Triple
     >>> AA  A AA  Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington
     Wheels
     >>A  A  made for Hall
     >>> AA  A AA  Pantera.
     >>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?AA  He
     did
     >>A  A  make them for several other vendors, in several different
     styles,
     >> some markedly better than others.AA  Can you share some images
     >> perhaps to help in identification?A  A  A Hall did have somebody
     cast up
     >> ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that wereA  A  A welded together, and
     perhaps
     >> Coddington was the source for those?
     >>>> AA  A AA  And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and
     >>A  A  245/40.
     >>>>> What kind of wheels are those?AA  10 spokes is a pretty vague
     >>A  A  descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many
     spokes
     >> they have at least. :>)
     >>>
     >>> AA  A AA  I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
     AA  A A
     >>> And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
     >>A  A  Rally and
     >>> AA  A AA  Track use.
     >>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or
     Hall
     >>A  A  wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a
     fake
     >> center spinner?AA  Those are as different as chalk and cheese
     (with
     >> the latter being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've
     >> ever encountered).
     >>> AA  A AA  I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with
     skinny
     >>A  A  Blackwalls
     >>> AA  A AA  and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for
     Photos,
     >>A  A  With a spare
     >>> AA  A AA  Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
     >>>>> Sounds good!A
     >>
     >>>
     >>>> AA  A AA  That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to
     dispose
     >>A  A  of. Sell or
     >>> AA  A AA  Trade. Photos Available.
     >>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?AA  What kind
     are
     >>A  A  they?AA  Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for
     some
     >> L-model wheels?
     >>> AA  A AA  I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
     >>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.A
     >> These were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile
     >> prototype.A I have no idea how many were put into production but
     >> I've never seen any other car wearing them, so I would have to
     >> imagine the number is very small indeed.AA  Even 1006, the
     earliest
     >> known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels.A  A  A So don't
     hold your
     >> breath waiting for a full set of three-slotA  A  A wheels to
     appear. :>)
     >>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
     >>A  A  Campy
     >>> AA  A AA  Wheel education.
     >>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned
     about
     >>A  A  your aftermarket wheels.AA  Simply put, I would never wish
     >> three-piece Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for
     >> track use.AA  We collectively know about multiple failures, which
     >> always led to rapid deflation and a potential accident.AA  Jack
     has
     >> often told of the car that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in
     Las
     >> Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his Hall wheel
     dismantled
     >> himself; I believe it thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
     >> remember that aspect of the story for sure.AA  Jack?A  A  A Larry
     Stock
     >> had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying toA  A
     A sell; a
     >> rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!)A  A and
     he had
     >> to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it hadA  A
     A cracked
     >> halfway around.AA  The other three wheels had similar cracksA  A
     A when
     >> they were taken apart and inspected.A  A  A And Mad Dog's fire
     was
     >> indirectly caused by the failure of his HallA  A  A wheel; when
     the left
     >> rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto theA  A  A freeway in
     Los
     >> Angeles.AA  What wasn't seen was that during theA  A  A collapse,
     the
     >> brake line was damaged.AA  MD swapped his stock wheelsA  A
     A w/race tires
     >> on and ran the Silver State a day or two later, butA  A  A when
     he
     >> stepped on the brakes at the finish line, the line ruptured,A  A
     A fluid
     >> sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest was history.A  A  A And on
     and on
     >> and on...I'm sure there are many others.A  A  A Those wheels were
     a very
     >> well-intentioned design but they wereA  A  A woefully
     under-engineered,
     >> and today should be related either to aA  A  A display case, or a
     >> recycling bin IMHO....A  A  A So tell me exactly what kind of
     wheels
     >> you're talking about here, asA  A  A the Coddington wheels (which
     I have
     >> aesthetic problems with,A  admittedly) are nothing like these
     Hall
     >> wheels at all.
     >>>> AA  A AA  Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to
     the
     >>A  A  green primer,
     >>> AA  A AA  I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them
     just
     >>A  A  to see the
     >>> AA  A AA  final results. AA  A AA  Photo attached.
     >>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the
     photo
     >>A  A  either....A  A  A Cheers! Mike
     >>A  --A  A Michael L. ShorttA  A Savannah, GeorgiaA  A [3]
     >> [512]www.michaelshortt.com <[513]http://www.michaelshortt.com>A
     A [4]
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     rtt.com')>
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     )>A  A 2.
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     )>A  A 3.
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     >> ------------------------------
     >> Message: 9 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:23:36 -0800 From: "Tomas
     >> Gunnarsson" < [524]guson at home.se
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[525]guson at home.se')> >
     To: <
     >> [526]MikeLDrew at aol.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[527]MikeLDrew at aol.com'
     )> >
     >> Cc: < [528]gaino at earthlink.net
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[529]gaino at earthlink.ne
     t')> >,
     >> < [530]detomaso at poca.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[531]detomaso at poca.com'
     )> >
     >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: <
     >> [532]F6F0EDD7F26440B0970C3CD2C70F6033 at mail2world.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[533]F6F0EDD7F26440B097
     0C3CD2C70F6033 at mail2world.com')>
     >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
     >> Mike,
     >> Bill originally wrote: Something that that blocks fluid in the
     brake
     >> lines to hold calipers pressed against the rotors.
     >>
     >> Aka line loc.
     >>
     >> OEM electric parking brakes work by having an electric motor
     actuate
     >> the brake via a mechanical device, like a wire.
     >>
     >> Tomas
     >>
     >>
     >> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
     >> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso [ [534]detomaso at poca.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[535]detomaso at poca.com'
     )> ]
     >> Sent: 13/1/2016 8:51:53 PM To: [536]guson at home.se
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[537]guson at home.se')> ;
     >> [538]gaino at earthlink.net
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[539]gaino at earthlink.ne
     t')>
     >> Cc: [540]detomaso at poca.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[541]detomaso at poca.com'
     )>
     >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
     >>
     >> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, [542]guson at home.se
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[543]guson at home.se')>
     writes:
     >>
     >>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
     brake
     >>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with
     the
     >>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
     >>
     >>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking
     about
     >>>>> an
     >> (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the
     OEMs
     >> and is in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective
     to
     >> satisfy government regulations worldwide). Such systems are now
     >> available in the aftermarket.
     >> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
     by
     >> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
     mechanical
     >> 'arm' that is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody
     know
     >> that for sure?
     >> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is
     insufficient to
     >> hold a car for any length of time; they are designed for very
     >> short-term use only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less
     than
     >> an inch) crashing into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend
     borrow
     >> it and the fool parked it overnight on a slope in neutral with
     the
     >> line lock engaged. As the brakes cooled at night, they released
     and
     >> the car rolled through a lot crowded with collector cars, brushed
     past
     >> the Aston and crashed through a hedge and down into a ditch!
     >> Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been very bad
     indeed.
     >> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would
     be
     >> much more effective because it has its own master cylinder that
     would
     >> still hold pressure even as the fluid cooled. However, it would
     not
     >> serve as a proper emergency brake if there was a hydraulic
     failure
     >> (say, a seal blew out in a caliper) whereas a cable-type system
     that
     >> mechanically leverages the components of the caliper requires no
     >> hydraulics to work.
     >> Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30
     years...park
     >> wisely and hope for the best!) -------------- next part
     --------------
     >> Mike,
     >>A  Bill originally wrote: Something that that blocks fluid in the
     brake
     >> lines to hold calipers pressed against the rotors.
     >>A  Aka line loc.
     >>A  OEM electric parking brakes work by having an electric motor
     actuate
     >> the brake via a mechanical device, like a wire.
     >>A  TomasA  A <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->A  A  A  A From:
     Mike Drew
     >> via DeTomaso [ [544]detomaso at poca.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[545]detomaso at poca.com'
     )> ]
     >> Sent: 13/1/2016 8:51:53 PMA  A To: [546]guson at home.se
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[547]guson at home.se')> ;
     >> [548]gaino at earthlink.net
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[549]gaino at earthlink.ne
     t')>
     >> Cc: [550]detomaso at poca.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[551]detomaso at poca.com'
     )>
     >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakesA  A In a message dated
     1/13/16 8
     >> 03 59, [552]guson at home.se
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[553]guson at home.se')>
     writes:
     >>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
     brake
     >>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with
     the
     >>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
     >>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking
     about
     >>>>> an
     >>A  (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by
     the
     >> OEMsA  A and isA  A in wide use (and is, significantly,
     sufficiently
     >> effective to satisfyA  A government regulations worldwide). Such
     systems
     >> are now available inA  A theA  A aftermarket.A  A I confess I
     don't know if
     >> OEM electric parking brake systems work byA  A pressurizing the
     fluid in
     >> the line, or if they are a simple mechanicalA  A 'arm' thatA
     A is pulling
     >> on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that forA
     A sure?
     >> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is
     insufficient to
     >> holdA  A a car for any length of time; they are designed for very
     >> short-term useA  A only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by
     less
     >> than an inch)A  A crashingA  A into an Aston Martin DB4 when he
     let a
     >> friend borrow it and the foolA  A parked itA  A overnight on a
     slope in
     >> neutral with the line lock engaged. As theA  A brakesA  A cooled
     at night,
     >> they released and the car rolled through a lot crowdedA  A with
     >> collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a
     hedge and
     >> downA  A into a ditch! Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could
     have been
     >> veryA  A badA  A indeed.A  A A solenoid-type system that actuated
     the brake
     >> hydraulics would be muchA  A more effective because it has its
     own
     >> master cylinder that would stillA  A holdA  A pressure even as
     the fluid
     >> cooled. However, it would not serve as aA  A properA  A emergency
     brake if
     >> there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal blew outA  A in aA
     A caliper)
     >> whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages the
     >> components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work.A
     A Mike (who
     >> has had no parking brake at all for the past 30 years...parkA
     A wisely
     >> and hope for the best!)
     >> ------------------------------
     >> Message: 10 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:30:22 -0800 From: Larry
     Stock <
     >> [554]larrys at panteraparts.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[555]larrys at panterapart
     s.com')>
     >>> To: < [556]MikeLDrew at aol.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[557]MikeLDrew at aol.com'
     )> >, <
     >> [558]davel at emspace.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[559]davel at emspace.com'
     )> >, <
     >> [560]detomaso at poca.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[561]detomaso at poca.com'
     )> >,
     >> < [562]michael at michaelshortt.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[563]michael at michaelsho
     rtt.com')>
     >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID:
     >> <D2BC0041.15C59F% [564]larrys at panteraparts.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[565]larrys at panterapart
     s.com')>
     >>> Content-Type: text/plain;A  A  charset="ISO-8859-1"
     >> I am taking in a set of 8?s and 10?s X15? Campy?s with new tires
     next
     >> week on a sale and trade I am doing. Since you guys are talking
     about
     >> these, I am going to have a set available in the next week or so.
     >> E-mail me for more info and details. Larrys at PanteraParts.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('Larrys at PanteraParts.com
     ')>
     >> (1-800-DeTomaso) 800-338-6627
     >>
     >> On 1/13/16, 12:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
     DeTomaso" <
     >> [566]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[567]detomaso-bounces at p
     oca.com')>
     >> on behalf of [568]detomaso at poca.com
     >>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[569]detomaso at poca.com'
     )> >
     >> wrote:
     >>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [570]davel at emspace.com
     >>>
     <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[571]davel at emspace.com'
     )>
     >>> writes:
     >>>A  A My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.A  A  I
     think
     >>> that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
     >>> unsprung weight for track use?A  A  dave
     >>>>>> Interesting.A  This was apparently a reply to an original
     post by
     >>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did
     it
     >>> windA  up in my spam folder?A  I'm noting some irregularities
     with the
     >>> forum these days....anyway,A  thankfully Dave included Michael's
     >>> original post, so see replies below:
     >>>>A  A On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:A  A  Greetings,
     >>>>A  A After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
     >>>A  A inventory today,
     >>>>A  A I have 21 Campy wheels,
     >>>
     >>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
     >>>
     >>>>A  A 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
     >>>A  A Triple
     >>>>A  A Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels
     made
     >>>A  A for Hall
     >>>>A  A Pantera.
     >>>
     >>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?A  He
     did
     >>> make them for several other vendors, in several different
     styles,
     >>> someA  markedly better than others.A  Can you share some images
     perhaps
     >>> to helpA  in identification?A  Hall did have somebody cast up
     ten-spoke
     >>> Si-looking wheels that wereA  welded together, and perhaps
     Coddington
     >>> was the source for those?
     >>>>>A  A And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and
     245/40.
     >>>
     >>>>>> What kind of wheels are those?A  10 spokes is a pretty vague
     >>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many
     spokes
     >>> theyA  have at least. :>)
     >>>>
     >>>>A  A I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,A  A
     And one
     >>>> set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
     >>>A  A Rally and
     >>>>A  A Track use.
     >>>
     >>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or
     Hall
     >>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
     >>> centerA  spinner?A  Those are as different as chalk and cheese
     (with
     >>> the latterA  being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels
     I've
     >>> everA  encountered).
     >>>>A  A I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
     >>>A  A Blackwalls
     >>>>A  A and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
     >>>A  A With a spare
     >>>> Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
     >>>
     >>>>>> Sounds good!
     >>>
     >>>>
     >>>>>A  A That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose
     of.
     >>>A  A Sell or
     >>>>A  A Trade. Photos Available.
     >>>
     >>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?A  What kind
     are
     >>> they?A  Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some
     >>> L-modelA  wheels?
     >>>>A  A I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
     >>>
     >>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.A
     These
     >>> were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile
     prototype.
     >>> IA  have no idea how many were put into production but I've
     never seen
     >>> anyA  other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the
     number is
     >>> veryA  small indeed.A  Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera
     extant,
     >>> had singleA  slot wheels.A  So don't hold your breath waiting
     for a
     >>> full set of three-slot wheelsA  to appear. :>)
     >>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
     >>>A  A Campy
     >>>>A  A Wheel education.
     >>>
     >>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned
     about
     >>> your aftermarket wheels.A  Simply put, I would never wish
     three-piece
     >>> Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for track
     use.A  We
     >>> collectively know about multiple failures, which always led to
     rapid
     >>> deflation and a potential accident.A  Jack has often told of the
     car
     >>> that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple
     digit
     >>> speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I
     believe i...

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