[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 18
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> 1. Re: parking brakes (gudmund fr?land)
> 2. Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Patrick HALS)
> 3. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Will Kooiman)
> 4. Re: parking brakes (B Hower)
> 5. Re: parking brakes (Will Kooiman)
> 6. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16 (cengles at cox.net)
> 7. Peter Brock-designed Shelby De Tomaso P70 to appear at Amelia
> Island (Dave)
> 8. Re: parking brakes (Tomas Gunnarsson)
> 9. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Timothy Meyer)
> 10. Re: Pantera Perf parking brakes (Stephen)
> 11. Re: Decent 72 on BaT (Paul Timko)
> 12. Re: Decent 72 on BaT (Tom Shinrock)
> 13. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Julian Kift)
> 14. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Daniel C Jones)
> 15. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Mike Drew)
> 16. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Scott Martin)
> 17. Re: Peter Brock-designed Shelby De Tomaso P70 to appear at
> Amelia Island (Himes, Terry (397C))
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 08:23:50 +0000 (UTC)
> From: gudmund fr?land <gudmundfroiland at yahoo.no>
> To: 'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, 'Tomas
> Gunnarsson' <guson at home.se>, <gaino at earthlink.net>, Stephen
> <steve at snclocks.com>
> Cc: <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
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> Is there any here who have tried to install more normal E-Brake handle that have the wire going in on the handle instead of the rod. I am thinking that if the handle are replaced with fex BMW handle it would give a lot better leaver force instead of the arm down under the car are about same length as the handle inside car.
> Den fre 2016-01-15 skrev Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>:
>
> Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> Til: "'marshall smith'" <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <guson at home.se>, gaino at earthlink.net
> Kopi: detomaso at poca.com
> Dato: Fredag 15. januar 2016 05.36
>
> Fortunately my wife has
> strong arms - that is the thing about our e-brakes - the
> passenger needs to set and release them.
>
> Stephen Nelson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marshall smith [mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
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> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09
> AM
> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net;
> Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
> Yikes....I could never trust
> my E brake on 'this' hill!
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
> wrote:
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> Subject: Re:
> [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> To:
> "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <guson at home.se>, gaino at earthlink.net
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
>
> ? ? Whilst
> `inelegant',
> at least the stock system
> works well.? I installed
> ? ? Wildwoods on
> the front of the discs and? kept the originals on the
> ? ? back.? I did have the originals
> coated black - heck, doesn't look that
> ? ? bad.
>
>
>
> ? ? Stephen Nelson
>
>
> ? ? -----Original
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> ? ? From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
> On Behalf Of Tomas
> ? ?
> Gunnarsson
> ? ? Sent: Wednesday, January
> 13, 2016 8:03 AM
> ? ? To: gaino at earthlink.net
> ? ? Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> ? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>
> ? ?
> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't? work as
> an emergency brake
> ? ? and parking brake
> function is dubious. If? you park your car with the
> ? ? brakes hot they may release when they
> cool? off.
>
> ? ? Tomas
>
>
> ? ?
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ?
> From: bill gaino [gaino at earthlink.net]
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> ? ? Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29
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> ? ? To: [1]detomaso at poca.com
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> ? ? Subject: [DeTomaso]
> parking brakes
>
>
> ? ? Is anybody using a solinoid based
> parking? brake? Something that that
> ? ?
> blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold? calipers pressed
> against the
> ? ? rotors. My customer does
> not want the? extra set of E brake calipers..
>
> ? ? like IPSCO offers. Bill
> 1362
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> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 10:36:38 +0100
> From: Patrick HALS <patrickhals at gmail.com>
> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
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> Hi all,
> What would be the best suggestion for a high power output, complete
> Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit , if such complete kit exists?
> When I mean " best suggestion " , that is the best value- reliability-
> power-torque- fun and money ratio for a quick street engine . Complicated
> ratio.... :>))
> What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine ) Cleveland
> heads.
> Just curious....
> Thank you !
> Pat
> Candy 2862 - ADA 9628
> -------------- next part --------------
> Hi all,A
> What would be the best suggestion for a high power output, complete
> Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit , if such complete kit exists?A
> When I mean " best suggestion " , that is the best value- reliability-
> power-torque- fun and money ratio for a quick street engine .
> Complicated ratio.... :>))
> What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine ) Cleveland
> heads.
> Just curious....
> Thank you !
> Pat
> Candy 2862 - ADA 9628
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 06:38:09 -0500
> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: Patrick HALS <patrickhals at gmail.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
> <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
> Message-ID: <D2BE43AE.232A9%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> Best will vary depending on who you talk to.
>
> I was very happy with my 377?, offset ground stock crank stroker kit from
> Dennis Quella. I killed that engine due to a mistake I made - not related
> to the stroker kit.
>
> I am also very happy with the 408", 4? SCAT crank kit that I currently
> have.
>
> These days, it?s hard to go wrong with anything.
>
> On 1/15/16, 4:36 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Patrick HALS"
> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of patrickhals at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,A
>> What would be the best suggestion for a high power output, complete
>> Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit , if such complete kit exists?A
>> When I mean " best suggestion " , that is the best value- reliability-
>> power-torque- fun and money ratio for a quick street engine .
>> Complicated ratio.... :>))
>> What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine ) Cleveland
>> heads.
>> Just curious....
>> Thank you !
>> Pat
>> Candy 2862 - ADA 9628
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> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 11:41:05 +0000 (UTC)
> From: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
> To: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>, 'marshall smith'
> <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <guson at home.se>,
> "gaino at earthlink.net" <gaino at earthlink.net>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
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> Question?? Aren't you supposed to apply brake pedal to apply pad pressure while setting the E-brake, thus you are only taking slack out of lever system? Am missing something here?
> ?Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )
>
>
> From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
> To: 'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
> Fortunately my wife has strong arms - that is the thing about our e-brakes - the passenger needs to set and release them.
>
> Stephen Nelson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marshall smith [mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09 AM
> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net; Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
> Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <guson at home.se>, gaino at earthlink.net
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
>
> ? ? Whilst `inelegant',
> at least the stock system works well.? I installed
> ? ? Wildwoods on the front of the discs and? kept the originals on the
> ? ? back.? I did have the originals
> coated black - heck, doesn't look that
> ? ? bad.
>
>
> ? ? Stephen Nelson
>
>
> ? ? -----Original Message-----
> ? ? From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
> On Behalf Of Tomas
> ? ? Gunnarsson
> ? ? Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
> ? ? To: gaino at earthlink.net
> ? ? Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> ? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>
> ? ? That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't? work as an emergency brake
> ? ? and parking brake function is dubious. If? you park your car with the
> ? ? brakes hot they may release when they cool? off.
>
> ? ? Tomas
>
>
> ? ? <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? From: bill gaino [gaino at earthlink.net]
>
> ? ? Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
>
> ? ? To: [1]detomaso at poca.com
>
> ? ? Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>
> ? ? Is anybody using a solinoid based parking? brake? Something that that
> ? ? blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold? calipers pressed against the
> ? ? rotors. My customer does not want the? extra set of E brake calipers..
>
> ? ? like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
>
>
>
> ? ? [2]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&
> ? ? fref
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> Question?? Aren't you supposed to apply brake pedal to apply pad
> pressure while setting the E-brake, thus you are only taking slack out
> of lever system? Am missing something here?
>
> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
> ! )
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
> To: 'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; 'Tomas Gunnarsson'
> <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> Fortunately my wife has strong arms - that is the thing about our
> e-brakes - the passenger needs to set and release them.
> Stephen Nelson
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marshall smith [mailto:[1]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09 AM
> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <[2]guson at home.se>; [3]gaino at earthlink.net;
> Stephen <[4]steve at snclocks.com>
> Cc: [5]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <[6]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <[7]guson at home.se>, [8]gaino at earthlink.net
> Cc: [9]detomaso at poca.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
> Whilst `inelegant',
> at least the stock system works well. I installed
> Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals on the
> back. I did have the originals
> coated black - heck, doesn't look that
> bad.
> Stephen Nelson
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
> On Behalf Of Tomas
> Gunnarsson
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
> To: [11]gaino at earthlink.net
> Cc: [12]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
> brake
> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with
> the
> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
>
> From: bill gaino [[13]gaino at earthlink.net]
> Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
> To: [1][14]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that
> that
> blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against
> the
> rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake
> calipers..
> like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 07:59:24 -0500
> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>, Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>,
> 'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, 'Tomas Gunnarsson'
> <guson at home.se>, "gaino at earthlink.net" <gaino at earthlink.net>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
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> You're not supposed to apply the brake pedal when you set the e-brake.
>
> You just yank on the handle and you're set.
>
> That's why it's also an emergency brake. If your hydraulics go out, you
> can use your hand brake in an emergency.
>
> --
> Will
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/15/16 6:41 AM, "B Hower via DeTomaso" <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>
>> Question?? Aren't you supposed to apply brake pedal to apply pad
>> pressure while setting the E-brake, thus you are only taking slack out
>> of lever system? Am missing something here?
>>
>> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
>> ! )
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
>> To: 'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; 'Tomas Gunnarsson'
>> <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> Fortunately my wife has strong arms - that is the thing about our
>> e-brakes - the passenger needs to set and release them.
>> Stephen Nelson
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: marshall smith [mailto:[1]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09 AM
>> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <[2]guson at home.se>; [3]gaino at earthlink.net;
>> Stephen <[4]steve at snclocks.com>
>> Cc: [5]detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <[6]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <[7]guson at home.se>, [8]gaino at earthlink.net
>> Cc: [9]detomaso at poca.com
>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
>> Whilst `inelegant',
>> at least the stock system works well. I installed
>> Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals on the
>> back. I did have the originals
>> coated black - heck, doesn't look that
>> bad.
>> Stephen Nelson
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
>> On Behalf Of Tomas
>> Gunnarsson
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
>> To: [11]gaino at earthlink.net
>> Cc: [12]detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
>> brake
>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with
>> the
>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>> Tomas
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>
>>
>> From: bill gaino [[13]gaino at earthlink.net]
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
>> To: [1][14]detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that
>> that
>> blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against
>> the
>> rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake
>> calipers..
>> like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 13:19:59 +0000 (GMT)
> From: cengles at cox.net
> To: jderyke at aol.com
> Cc: ace595 at hotmail.com, detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16
> Message-ID: <2d425f.13d91.15245714f4d.Webtop.0 at cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>
>
> Dear Jack,
>
> You wrote:
>
> " the stock al-asbestos-al heat shield. "
>
> $$$$$$$$ Ah-hah! I thought that there was some asbestos in there
> somewhere, but I could not be sure. Obviously, it is sandwiched between
> the aluminum layers. Thanks for bolstering my fuzzy memory.
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> To: 'tom ware' <ace595 at hotmail.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 5:26 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16
>
> Dear Tom,
>
> I am not an expert, but....
>
> last year I removed the gas tank from my late '74 Pantera, which has had
> the
> stainless steel treatment for the last twenty five years. Behind the
> bling
> is the base stock thick aluminum(?) which is not a single layer. There
> are
> at least two layers and there *might* be a layer in between. That is my
> guess and I will defer to an expert.
>
> I think that the normal stainless steel shield installation is over the
> stock one. Perhaps it is heavier, but it would tend to further shield
> the
> gas tank from the headers' heat.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [ mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com')>
> ] On Behalf Of tom ware
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:58 PM
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16
>
> Gas tank shield ?
> I have a new stainless steel shield that came with my project.
> Is it the norm to insulate it for heat.?
> Thanks
> Tom
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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>> Re: Campagnolo Wheels (Michael Shortt) 9. Re: parking brakes (Tomas
>> Gunnarsson) 10. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (Larry Stock) 11. Re: parking
>> brakes (Charles McCall) 12. Re: parking brakes (Tomas Gunnarsson)
>> 13. Re: parking brakes (Charles McCall) 14. Re: parking brakes
>> (Thomas Tornblom) 15. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (marshall smith) 16. Re:
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>> 740i Sport for whole or parts (Rob Dumoulin) 25. Re: parking brakes
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>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:27:31 -0800 From: "Tomas
>> Gunnarsson" < guson at home.se
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> > To: <
>> gaino at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> >
>> Cc: < steve at snclocks.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> >,
>> < detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: <
>> 46D238640B764EE3A581C2544BE74A80 at mail2world.com
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side of
>> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that
>> not all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only
>> newer cars that suffer from that.
>> Tomas
>>
>>
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>> From: bill gaino [ gaino at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ]
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 6:13:51 PM To: steve at snclocks.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> ;
>> guson at home.se
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> Cc:
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>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>
>> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position to
>> use as Ebrake? He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired
>> on the rear mounts..Bill 1362
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sent: Jan 13, 2016
>> 11:21 AM To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' , gaino at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>
>>
>> Whilst 'inelegant', at least the stock system works well. I
>> installed Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals
>> on the back. I did have the originals coated black - heck, doesn't
>> look that bad.
>>
>>
>> Stephen Nelson
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [
>> mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com')>
>> ] On Behalf Of Tomas Gunnarsson Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016
>> 8:03 AM To: gaino at earthlink.net
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>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>
>>
>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
>> brake and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with
>> the brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>>
>>
>> Tomas
>>
>>
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>
>>
>> From: bill gaino [
>> gaino at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ]
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
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>> Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>
>>
>> Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that
>> that blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against
>> the rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake
>> calipers..
>> like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> . -------------- next part -------------- Yes Bill, most likely. I
>> have installed calipers on the front side of the uprights, the holes
>> were threaded and all. I think I heard that not all uprights are
>> drilled front and back but it may be that only newer cars that
>> suffer from that.
>> Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: bill gaino [
>> gaino at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ]
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 6:13:51 PM To: steve at snclocks.com
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>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Is it possible to mount the
>> stock calipers in the front position to use as Ebrake? He already
>> has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired on the rear mounts..Bill
>> 1362
>> -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sent: Jan 13,
>> 2016 11:21 AM To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' , gaino at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> Whilst `inelegant', at least the stock system works well. I
>> installed Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals
>> on the back. I did have the originals coated black - heck, doesn't
>> look that bad.
>>
>> Stephen Nelson
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [
>> mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com')>
>> ] On Behalf Of Tomas Gunnarsson Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>
>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
>> brake and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car
>> with the brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>> Tomas
>>
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>
>> From: bill gaino [ gaino at earthlink.net
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>> Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>
>> Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that that
>> blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against the
>> rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake calipers..
>> like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
>>
>>
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>> Message: 2 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:51:53 -0500 From:
>> MikeLDrew at aol.com
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>> guson at home.se
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: <
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>> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, guson at home.se
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
>>
>>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency brake
>>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the
>>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>>
>>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about
>>>>> an
>> (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the OEMs
>> and
> is
>> in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective to satisfy
>> government regulations worldwide). Such systems are now available in
>> the
>
>> aftermarket.
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
> 'arm' that
>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for
> sure?
>>
>> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient to
> hold
>> a car for any length of time; they are designed for very short-term
>> use only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than an inch)
> crashing
>> into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow it and the fool
> parked it
>> overnight on a slope in neutral with the line lock engaged. As the
> brakes
>> cooled at night, they released and the car rolled through a lot
>> crowded
> with
>> collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a hedge and
> down
>> into a ditch! Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been very
>> bad
>
>> indeed.
>> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
>> much more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would
>> still
> hold
>> pressure even as the fluid cooled. However, it would not serve as a
> proper
>> emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal blew out
>> in
> a
>> caliper) whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages the
>> components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work.
>> Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30 years...park
>> wisely and hope for the best!) -------------- next part --------------
>> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, guson at home.se
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
>> brake and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car
>> with the brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about
>> an (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the
>> OEMs and is in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective
>> to satisfy government regulations worldwide). Such systems are now
>> available in the aftermarket. I confess I don't know if OEM electric
>> parking brake systems work by pressurizing the fluid in the line, or
>> if they are a simple mechanical 'arm' that is pulling on a
>> mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for sure? You're
>> correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient to hold
>> a car for any length of time; they are designed for very short-term
>> use only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than an
>> inch) crashing into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow
>> it and the fool parked it overnight on a slope in neutral with the
>> line lock engaged. As the brakes cooled at night, they released and
>> the car rolled through a lot crowded with collector cars, brushed
>> past the Aston and crashed through a hedge and down into a ditch!
>> Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been very bad indeed.
>> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
>> much more effective because it has its own master cylinder that
>> would still hold pressure even as the fluid cooled. However, it
>> would not serve as a proper emergency brake if there was a hydraulic
>> failure (say, a seal blew out in a caliper) whereas a cable-type
>> system that mechanically leverages the components of the caliper
>> requires no hydraulics to work. Mike (who has had no parking brake
>> at all for the past 30 years...park wisely and hope for the best!)
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 3 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:51:57 -0500 From:
>> MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> To:
>> gaino at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ,
>> steve at snclocks.com
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>> guson at home.se
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: <
>> 72fdc9.23690f23.43c804dd at aol.com
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>> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, gaino at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
>> writes:
>>
>>> ?? Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position
>>> to use ?? as Ebrake?? He already has the Wilwoods installed and
>>> saftey wired on ?? the rear mounts.
>>
>>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics. The
>> calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear of
>> the wheelwell. If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no
>> longer
> fit, plus if
>> longer ones were used, they would foul the driveshafts on their way
>> forward. The only possible way to make a system like that work would
>> be
> to
>> reposition the cables so they entered the wheelwells ahead of, instead
>> of
> behind
>> the hub carriers, and there would be a fair bit of engineering
>> involved.
> I
>> suppose it might be possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial
> exercise.
>>
>> Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated
>> 1/13/16 9 15 10, gaino at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
>> writes:
>> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front
>> position to use as Ebrake? He already has the Wilwoods
>> installed and saftey wired on the rear mounts.
>>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics. The
>> calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear
>> of the wheelwell. If the calipers are repositioned the cables will
>> no longer fit, plus if longer ones were used, they would foul the
>> driveshafts on their way forward. The only possible way to make a
>> system like that work would be to reposition the cables so they
>> entered the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind the hub carriers,
>> and there would be a fair bit of engineering involved. I suppose it
>> might be possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial exercise.
>> Mike
>> ------------------------------
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>> MikeLDrew at aol.com
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>> guson at home.se
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> ,
>> gaino at earthlink.net
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>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: <
>> 72fddd.5edc2feb.43c804e3 at aol.com
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>> In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, guson at home.se
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
>>
>>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side of
>>> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that
>>> not all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only
>>> newer cars that suffer from that.
>>
>>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes only
>>>>> on
>> one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a
>> production
>
>> standpoint).
>> Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated
>> 1/13/16 11 28 28, guson at home.se
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side
>> of the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard
>> that not all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be
>> that only newer cars that suffer from that.
>>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes only
>> on one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a
>> production standpoint). Mike
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 5 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 15:19:19 -0500 From:
>> MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> To:
>> davel at emspace.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> ,
>> detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> ,
>> michael at michaelshortt.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('michael at michaelshortt.com')>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID: <
>> 73161a.56810af3.43c80b47 at aol.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('73161a.56810af3.43c80b47 at aol.com')>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')>
>> writes:
>>
>>>
>>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. I think that's
>>> fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the unsprung weight
>>> for track use? dave
>>>
>>>>> Interesting. This was apparently a reply to an original post by
>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it wind
>> up
> in my
>> spam folder?
>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,
>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
>> below:
>>
>>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: ? ?? Greetings,
>>>> ? ?? After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>>>> inventory
>>> today,
>>>> ? ?? I have 21 Campy wheels,
>>>
>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>
>>
>>
>>>> ? ?? 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>>>> Triple ? ?? Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington
>>>> Wheels made for
>>> Hall
>>>> ? ?? Pantera.
>>
>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall? He did
>>>>> make
>> them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some
>> markedly
>
>> better than others. Can you share some images perhaps to help in
>> identification?
>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were
> welded
>> together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
>>>>> ? ?? And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
>>>
>>>>> What kind of wheels are those? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes they
> have at least. :>
>> )
>>>>
>>>> ? ?? I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use, ? ?? And
>>>> one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for Rally
> and
>>>> ? ?? Track use.
>>>
>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
> wheels
>> which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
>> spinner?
>
>> Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the latter being the
>> only
>
>> genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever encountered).
>>
>>>> ? ?? I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>>> Blackwalls
>>>> ? ?? and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos, With
>>>> a
>>> spare
>>>> ? ?? Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>>
>>>>> Sounds good!
>>>>
>>>>> ? ?? That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
>>>>> Sell
>>> or
>>>> ? ?? Trade. Photos Available.
>>>
>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia? What kind are
>>>>> they?
>
>> Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
>> wheels?
>>>> ? ?? I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>>
>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life. These
>>>>> were
>> an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype. I have
>> no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any
>> other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very
>> small indeed.
> Even
>> 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels.
>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels
>> to appear. :>)
>>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the Campy
>>>> ? ?? Wheel education.
>>>
>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
>>>>> your
>> aftermarket wheels. Simply put, I would never wish three-piece Hall
> wheels
>> on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use. We collectively
> know
>> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and a
> potential
>> accident. Jack has often told of the car that was zorching down Mt.
>> Ch arleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his Hall
>> wheel dismantled himself; I believe it thrust the car into the
>> scenery, but
> can't
>> remember that aspect of the story for sure. Jack?
>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to
>> sell;
>
>> a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and he had
>> to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
>> halfway
> around.
>> The other three wheels had similar cracks when they were taken apart
>> and inspected.
>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
>> wheel;
>
>> when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the freeway in
>> Los
>
>> Angeles. What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the brake
>> line
> was
>> damaged. MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran the
>> Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped on the brakes at
>> the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the exhaust and
>> the rest was history.
>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
>> woefully under-engineered, and today should be related either to a
>> display case, or
> a
>> recycling bin IMHO....
>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as
>> the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,
>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
>>>>> ? ?? Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
>>> primer,
>>>> ? ?? I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
>>>> see
>>> the
>>>> ? ?? final results. ? ?? Photo attached.
>>>
>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>> either....
>> Cheers!
>> Mike -------------- next part -------------- In a message dated
>> 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')>
>> writes:
>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. I think
>> that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
>> unsprung weight for track use? dave
>>>>> Interesting. This was apparently a reply to an original post by
>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
>> wind up in my spam folder? I'm noting some irregularities with the
>> forum these days....anyway, thankfully Dave included Michael's
>> original post, so see replies below:
>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: Greetings,
>>> After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>> inventory today,
>>> I have 21 Campy wheels,
>>
>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>
>>> 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>> Triple
>>> Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
>> for Hall
>>> Pantera.
>>
>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall? He did
>> make them for several other vendors, in several different styles,
>> some markedly better than others. Can you share some images perhaps
>> to help in identification? Hall did have somebody cast up
>> ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were welded together, and perhaps
>> Coddington was the source for those?
>>>> And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
>>
>>>>> What kind of wheels are those? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes they
>> have at least. :>)
>>>
>>> I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use, And one
>>> set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>> Rally and
>>> Track use.
>>
>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
>> center spinner? Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with
>> the latter being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've
>> ever encountered).
>>> I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>> Blackwalls
>>> and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>> With a spare
>>> Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>
>>>>> Sounds good!
>>
>>>
>>>> That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
>> Sell or
>>> Trade. Photos Available.
>>
>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia? What kind are
>> they? Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some
>> L-model wheels?
>>> I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>
>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life. These
>> were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.
>> I have no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen
>> any other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is
>> very small indeed. Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant,
>> had single slot wheels. So don't hold your breath waiting for a
>> full set of three-slot wheels to appear. :>)
>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>> Campy
>>> Wheel education.
>>
>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
>> your aftermarket wheels. Simply put, I would never wish three-piece
>> Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use. We
>> collectively know about multiple failures, which always led to rapid
>> deflation and a potential accident. Jack has often told of the car
>> that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit
>> speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe it
>> thrust the car into the scenery, but can't remember that aspect of the
>> story for sure. Jack? Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
>> Concorso that he was trying to sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart
>> while the car was parked (!) and he had to tow it back to Nevada as
>> it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked halfway around. The other
>> three wheels had similar cracks when they were taken apart and
>> inspected. And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure
>> of his Hall wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell
>> down onto the freeway in Los Angeles. What wasn't seen was that
>> during the collapse, the brake line was damaged. MD swapped his
>> stock wheels w/race tires on and ran the Silver State a day or two
>> later, but when he stepped on the brakes at the finish line, the
>> line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest was
>> history. And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
>> woefully under-engineered, and today should be related either to a
>> display case, or a recycling bin IMHO.... So tell me exactly what
>> kind of wheels you're talking about here, as the Coddington wheels
>> (which I have aesthetic problems with, admittedly) are nothing like
>> these Hall wheels at all.
>>>> Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
>> primer,
>>> I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
>> see the
>>> final results. Photo attached.
>>
>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>> either.... Cheers! Mike
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 6 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:23:56 -0800 From: "Stephen" <
>> steve at snclocks.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> >
>> To: < MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> >,
>> < gaino at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> >,
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID:
>> <00d501d14e40$54625920$fd270b60$@snclocks.com> Content-Type:
>> text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> When I was going through my brakes I wanted to clean out the e-brake
>> housings and the cables. So, I cut off the cable ends, took
>> everything apart, took all the old plastic sheath off the housings,
>> replaced with
> heavy
>> shrink-to-fit, cut the housings to be a better fit with less excess
> length,
>> lubed with graphite-impregnated grease, then put new ends on the
>> cables to match the length that they needed to be. Went together very
>> nicely.
>>
>>
>> It would have been pretty much as simple to change length to match a
>> front mounting for the originals, but would have likely required
>> cutting a pair
> of
>> holes in the sheet metal - I hate extra holes.
>>
>>
>> For what all that is worth.
>>
>>
>> Stephen Nelson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> [
>> mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
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>> guson at home.se
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, gaino at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> <
>> mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> >
>> writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position to
>> use as Ebrake? He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey
>> wired on the rear mounts.
>>
>>
>>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics. The
> calipers
>> are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear of the
> wheelwell.
>> If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no longer fit, plus
>> if longer ones were used, they would foul the driveshafts on their way
> forward.
>> The only possible way to make a system like that work would be to
> reposition
>> the cables so they entered the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind
>> the hub carriers, and there would be a fair bit of engineering
>> involved. I suppose it might be possible, but it certainly won't be a
>> trivial
> exercise.
>>
>> Mike
>> -------------- next part -------------- When I was going through my
>> brakes I wanted to clean out the e-brake housings and the cables.
>> So, I cut off the cable ends, took everything apart, took all the
>> old plastic sheath off the housings, replaced with heavy
>> shrink-to-fit, cut the housings to be a better fit with less excess
>> length, lubed with graphite-impregnated grease, then put new ends on
>> the cables to match the length that they needed to be. Went
>> together very nicely.
>>
>> It would have been pretty much as simple to change length to match a
>> front mounting for the originals, but would have likely required
>> cutting a pair of holes in the sheet metal - I hate extra holes...
>>
>> For what all that is worth.
>>
>> Stephen Nelson
>>
>>
>> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> [
>> mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
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>>
>> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, [1] gaino at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
>> writes:
>> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front
>> position to use as Ebrake? He already has the Wilwoods
>> installed and saftey wired on the rear mounts.
>>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics. The
>> calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear
>> of the wheelwell. If the calipers are repositioned the cables will
>> no longer fit, plus if longer ones were used, they would foul the
>> driveshafts on their way forward. The only possible way to make a
>> system like that work would be to reposition the cables so they
>> entered the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind the hub carriers,
>> and there would be a fair bit of engineering involved. I suppose it
>> might be possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial exercise.
>> Mike
>> References
>> 1. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
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>> Hate to disagree here Mike. The only uprights that were produced for a
> Pantera that were right or left handed were "some" of Hall Pantera's
> aluminum uprights, and they originally had mounts on front and rear. For
> some reason later on in production they were built without both sets of
> ears.......... never understood why .......as you said dumb idea !!
>> The Group 4 uprights were manufactured with both sets of ears.
>> Some
> of you may not know that the GT 5 and the GT 5-S rear uprights were
> taken
> from the competition Group 4 spares inventory.
>>
>> Leslie A. Gray
>>> On Jan 13, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <
>>> detomaso at poca.com
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >
> wrote:
>>>
>>> In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, guson at home.se
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
>>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side
>>> of the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard
>>> that not all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be
>>> that only newer cars that suffer from that.
>>>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes only
>>> on one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a
>>> production standpoint). Mike
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>> Message: 8 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 16:20:31 -0500 From: Michael Shortt
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID:
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>> none of my wheels are assembled ( fasteners) 3 piece wheels, all are
> welded
>> or billet.
>> I have driven on the wheels on street, on track and on the Tail of the
>> Dragon and have had zero issues in 12 years with 2 different designs,
>> not sure who mad ethe current wheels ( 10 spoke ), but they show no
>> signs of stress, damage either.
>> It may be my luck, it could be others bad luck, it could be misuse and
>> driving style.
>> My Dad owned 3 Audi 5000's, he never had any issues either, maybe
>> because he never pressed the gas instead of the brake.
>>
>> Michael Shortt
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, < MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')>
>>> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. I think that's
>>> fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the unsprung weight
>>> for track use? dave
>>>
>>>>>> Interesting. This was apparently a reply to an original post by
>>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
>>> wind up in my spam folder?
>>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,
>>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
>>> below:
>>>
>>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: Greetings,
>>>> After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief inventory
>>> today,
>>>> I have 21 Campy wheels,
>>>
>>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>>>> Triple Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels
>>>> made for
>>> Hall
>>>> Pantera.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall? He did
>>>>>> make
>>> them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some
> markedly
>>> better than others. Can you share some images perhaps to help in
>>> identification?
>>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were
>>> welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
>>>>> And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
>>>
>>>>>> What kind of wheels are those? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
>>> they
> have
>>> at least. :>)
>>>>
>>>> I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use, And one
>>>> set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for Rally and
>>>> Track use.
>>>
>>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
>>> center spinner? Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the
>>> latter
> being
>>> the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever encountered).
>>>
>>>> I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>>> Blackwalls
>>>> and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos, With a
>>> spare
>>>> Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>>
>>>>>> Sounds good!
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
>>>>> Sell or
>>>> Trade. Photos Available.
>>>
>>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia? What kind are
>>>>>> they?
>>> Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
>>> wheels?
>>>> I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>>
>>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life. These
>>>>>> were
>>> an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype. I have
>>> no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any
>>> other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very
>>> small indeed. Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had
>>> single slot wheels.
>>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels
>>> to appear. :>)
>>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the Campy
>>>> Wheel education.
>>>
>>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
>>>>>> your
>>> aftermarket wheels. Simply put, I would never wish three-piece Hall
> wheels
>>> on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use. We collectively
> know
>>> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and a
>>> potential accident. Jack has often told of the car that was zorching
> down
>>> Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his
>>> Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe it thrust the car into the
>>> scenery,
> but
>>> can't remember that aspect of the story for sure. Jack?
>>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to
> sell;
>>> a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and he
>>> had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
>>> halfway around. The other three wheels had similar cracks when they
>>> were taken apart and inspected.
>>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
> wheel;
>>> when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the freeway
>>> in
> Los
>>> Angeles. What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the brake
>>> line
> was
>>> damaged. MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran the
>>> Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped on the brakes at
>>> the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the exhaust
>>> and the rest was history.
>>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
>>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
>>> woefully under-engineered, and today should be related either to a
>>> display case,
> or
>>> a recycling bin IMHO....
>>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as
>>> the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,
>>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
>>>>> Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
>>> primer,
>>>> I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to see
>>>> the final results. Photo attached.
>>>
>>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>>> either....
>>> Cheers!
>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com
>> <http://www.michaelshortt.com> michael at michaelshortt.com
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>> -------------- next part -------------- none of my wheels are
>> assembled ( fasteners) 3 piece wheels, all are welded or billet. I
>> have driven on the wheels on street, on track and on the Tail of the
>> Dragon and have had zero issues in 12 years with 2 different designs,
>> not sure who mad ethe current wheels ( 10 spoke ), but they show no
>> signs of stress, damage either. It may be my luck, it could be
>> others bad luck, it could be misuse and driving style. My Dad
>> owned 3 Audi 5000's, he never had any issues either, maybe because
>> he never pressed the gas instead of the brake. Michael Shortt
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, <[1] MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> >
>> wrote:
>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [2] davel at emspace.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')>
>> writes: My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. I
>> think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
>> unsprung weight for track use? dave
>>>>> Interesting.A This was apparently a reply to an original post by
>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
>> wind up in my spam folder? I'm noting some irregularities with the
>> forum these days....anyway, thankfully Dave included Michael's
>> original post, so see replies below:
>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: A A A Greetings,
>>> A A A After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>> inventory today,
>>> A A A I have 21 Campy wheels,
>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>
>>> A A A 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>> Triple
>>> A A A Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels
>> made for Hall
>>> A A A Pantera.
>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?A He did
>> make them for several other vendors, in several different styles,
>> some markedly better than others.A Can you share some images
>> perhaps to help in identification? Hall did have somebody cast up
>> ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were welded together, and perhaps
>> Coddington was the source for those?
>>>> A A A And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and
>> 245/40.
>>>>> What kind of wheels are those?A 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
>> they have at least. :>)
>>>
>>> A A A I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use, A A A
>>> And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>> Rally and
>>> A A A Track use.
>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
>> center spinner?A Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with
>> the latter being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've
>> ever encountered).
>>> A A A I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>> Blackwalls
>>> A A A and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>> With a spare
>>> A A A Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>>>> Sounds good!A
>>
>>>
>>>> A A A That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose
>> of. Sell or
>>> A A A Trade. Photos Available.
>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?A What kind are
>> they?A Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some
>> L-model wheels?
>>> A A A I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.A
>> These were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile
>> prototype.A I have no idea how many were put into production but
>> I've never seen any other car wearing them, so I would have to
>> imagine the number is very small indeed.A Even 1006, the earliest
>> known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels. So don't hold your
>> breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels to appear. :>)
>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>> Campy
>>> A A A Wheel education.
>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
>> your aftermarket wheels.A Simply put, I would never wish
>> three-piece Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for
>> track use.A We collectively know about multiple failures, which
>> always led to rapid deflation and a potential accident.A Jack has
>> often told of the car that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las
>> Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled
>> himself; I believe it thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
>> remember that aspect of the story for sure.A Jack? Larry Stock
>> had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to sell; a
>> rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and he had
>> to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
>> halfway around.A The other three wheels had similar cracks when
>> they were taken apart and inspected. And Mad Dog's fire was
>> indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall wheel; when the left
>> rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the freeway in Los
>> Angeles.A What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the
>> brake line was damaged.A MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires
>> on and ran the Silver State a day or two later, but when he
>> stepped on the brakes at the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid
>> sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest was history. And on and on
>> and on...I'm sure there are many others. Those wheels were a very
>> well-intentioned design but they were woefully under-engineered,
>> and today should be related either to a display case, or a
>> recycling bin IMHO.... So tell me exactly what kind of wheels
>> you're talking about here, as the Coddington wheels (which I have
>> aesthetic problems with, admittedly) are nothing like these Hall
>> wheels at all.
>>>> A A A Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the
>> green primer,
>>> A A A I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just
>> to see the
>>> A A A final results. A A A Photo attached.
>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>> either.... Cheers! Mike
>> -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [3]
>> www.michaelshortt.com <http://www.michaelshortt.com> [4]
>> michael at michaelshortt.com
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>> 912-232-9390 A This email is protected by the Electronic
>> Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is
>> confidential and may be legally privileged.A If you are not the
>> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention,
>> dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is
>> strictly prohibited.A Please reply to the sender that you have
>> received this message in error, then delete it.A Thank you
>> References
>> 1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> 2.
>> mailto:davel at emspace.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> 3.
>> http://www.michaelshortt.com/ <http://www.michaelshortt.com/> 4.
>> mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('michael at michaelshortt.com')>
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 9 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:23:36 -0800 From: "Tomas
>> Gunnarsson" < guson at home.se
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> > To: <
>> MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> >
>> Cc: < gaino at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> >,
>> < detomaso at poca.com
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: <
>> F6F0EDD7F26440B0970C3CD2C70F6033 at mail2world.com
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>> Mike,
>> Bill originally wrote: Something that that blocks fluid in the brake
>> lines to hold calipers pressed against the rotors.
>>
>> Aka line loc.
>>
>> OEM electric parking brakes work by having an electric motor actuate
>> the brake via a mechanical device, like a wire.
>>
>> Tomas
>>
>>
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso [ detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> ]
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 8:51:53 PM To: guson at home.se
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> ;
>> gaino at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>
>> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, guson at home.se
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
>>
>>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency brake
>>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the
>>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>>
>>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about
>>>>> an
>> (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the OEMs
>> and is in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective to
>> satisfy government regulations worldwide). Such systems are now
>> available in the aftermarket.
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
>> 'arm' that is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know
>> that for sure?
>> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient to
>> hold a car for any length of time; they are designed for very
>> short-term use only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than
>> an inch) crashing into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow
>> it and the fool parked it overnight on a slope in neutral with the
>> line lock engaged. As the brakes cooled at night, they released and
>> the car rolled through a lot crowded with collector cars, brushed past
>> the Aston and crashed through a hedge and down into a ditch!
>> Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been very bad indeed.
>> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
>> much more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would
>> still hold pressure even as the fluid cooled. However, it would not
>> serve as a proper emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure
>> (say, a seal blew out in a caliper) whereas a cable-type system that
>> mechanically leverages the components of the caliper requires no
>> hydraulics to work.
>> Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30 years...park
>> wisely and hope for the best!) -------------- next part --------------
>> Mike,
>> Bill originally wrote: Something that that blocks fluid in the brake
>> lines to hold calipers pressed against the rotors.
>> Aka line loc.
>> OEM electric parking brakes work by having an electric motor actuate
>> the brake via a mechanical device, like a wire.
>> Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Mike Drew
>> via DeTomaso [ detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> ]
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 8:51:53 PM To: guson at home.se
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> ;
>> gaino at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes In a message dated 1/13/16 8
>> 03 59, guson at home.se
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
>>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency brake
>>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the
>>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about
>>>>> an
>> (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the
>> OEMs and is in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently
>> effective to satisfy government regulations worldwide). Such systems
>> are now available in the aftermarket. I confess I don't know if
>> OEM electric parking brake systems work by pressurizing the fluid in
>> the line, or if they are a simple mechanical 'arm' that is pulling
>> on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for sure?
>> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient to
>> hold a car for any length of time; they are designed for very
>> short-term use only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less
>> than an inch) crashing into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a
>> friend borrow it and the fool parked it overnight on a slope in
>> neutral with the line lock engaged. As the brakes cooled at night,
>> they released and the car rolled through a lot crowded with
>> collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a hedge and
>> down into a ditch! Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been
>> very bad indeed. A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake
>> hydraulics would be much more effective because it has its own
>> master cylinder that would still hold pressure even as the fluid
>> cooled. However, it would not serve as a proper emergency brake if
>> there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal blew out in a caliper)
>> whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages the
>> components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work. Mike (who
>> has had no parking brake at all for the past 30 years...park wisely
>> and hope for the best!)
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 10 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:30:22 -0800 From: Larry Stock <
>> larrys at panteraparts.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('larrys at panteraparts.com')>
>>> To: < MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> >, <
>> davel at emspace.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> >, <
>> detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >,
>> < michael at michaelshortt.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('michael at michaelshortt.com')>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID:
>> <D2BC0041.15C59F% larrys at panteraparts.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('larrys at panteraparts.com')>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>> I am taking in a set of 8?s and 10?s X15? Campy?s with new tires next
>> week on a sale and trade I am doing. Since you guys are talking about
>> these, I am going to have a set available in the next week or so.
>> E-mail me for more info and details. Larrys at PanteraParts.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('Larrys at PanteraParts.com')>
>> (1-800-DeTomaso) 800-338-6627
>>
>> On 1/13/16, 12:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" <
>> detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com')>
>> on behalf of detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >
>> wrote:
>>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')>
>>> writes:
>>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. I think
>>> that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
>>> unsprung weight for track use? dave
>>>>>> Interesting. This was apparently a reply to an original post by
>>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
>>> wind up in my spam folder? I'm noting some irregularities with the
>>> forum these days....anyway, thankfully Dave included Michael's
>>> original post, so see replies below:
>>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: Greetings,
>>>> After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>>> inventory today,
>>>> I have 21 Campy wheels,
>>>
>>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>>
>>>> 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>>> Triple
>>>> Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
>>> for Hall
>>>> Pantera.
>>>
>>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall? He did
>>> make them for several other vendors, in several different styles,
>>> some markedly better than others. Can you share some images perhaps
>>> to help in identification? Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke
>>> Si-looking wheels that were welded together, and perhaps Coddington
>>> was the source for those?
>>>>> And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
>>>
>>>>>> What kind of wheels are those? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
>>> they have at least. :>)
>>>>
>>>> I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use, And one
>>>> set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>>> Rally and
>>>> Track use.
>>>
>>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
>>> center spinner? Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with
>>> the latter being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've
>>> ever encountered).
>>>> I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>>> Blackwalls
>>>> and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>>> With a spare
>>>> Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>>
>>>>>> Sounds good!
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
>>> Sell or
>>>> Trade. Photos Available.
>>>
>>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia? What kind are
>>> they? Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some
>>> L-model wheels?
>>>> I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>>
>>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life. These
>>> were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.
>>> I have no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen
>>> any other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is
>>> very small indeed. Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant,
>>> had single slot wheels. So don't hold your breath waiting for a
>>> full set of three-slot wheels to appear. :>)
>>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>>> Campy
>>>> Wheel education.
>>>
>>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
>>> your aftermarket wheels. Simply put, I would never wish three-piece
>>> Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use. We
>>> collectively know about multiple failures, which always led to rapid
>>> deflation and a potential accident. Jack has often told of the car
>>> that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit
>>> speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe it
>>> thrust the car into the scenery, but can't remember that aspect of
>>> the story for sure. Jack? Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
>>> Concorso that he was trying to sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart
>>> while the car was parked (!) and he had to tow it back to Nevada as
>>> it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked halfway around. The other
>>> three wheels had similar cracks when they were taken apart and
>>> inspected. And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure
>>> of his Hall wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell
>>> down onto the freeway in Los Angeles. What wasn't seen was that
>>> during the collapse, the brake line was damaged. MD swapped his
>>> stock wheels w/race tires on and ran the Silver State a day or two
>>> later, but when he stepped on the brakes at the finish line, the
>>> line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest was
>>> history. And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
>>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
>>> woefully under-engineered, and today should be related either to a
>>> display case, or a recycling bin IMHO.... So tell me exactly what
>>> kind of wheels you're talking about here, as the Coddington wheels
>>> (which I have aesthetic problems with, admittedly) are nothing like
>>> these Hall wheels at all.
>>>>> Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
>>> primer,
>>>> I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
>>> see the
>>>> final results. Photo attached.
>>>
>>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>>> either.... Cheers! Mike
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>> Message: 11 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 22:53:34 +0100 From: Charles McCall
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID:
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>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
> 'arm'
>> that is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know
>> that for
> sure?
>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
> second
>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
>> at
> any
>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 12 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:02:11 -0800 From: "Tomas
>> Gunnarsson" < guson at home.se
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>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
>> would not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time
>> the brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip
>> the switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are
>> on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's
>> usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated, hydraulics
>> are not allowed.
>> Tomas
>>
>>
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
>> 'arm' that is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know
>> that for sure? ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a
>> solenoid - the second case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the
>> line. They have some electronics to ease the brake on if you are
>> moving, but actuating it at any speed locks up your brakes. They are
>> either on or off.
>>
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>> -------------- next part -------------- It is more likely a linear
>> actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid would not be good as it would
>> need to draw current for the whole time the brakes are on. You can
>> probably hear the motor whine when you flip the switch (or whatever)
>> and then it goes silent when the brakes are on/off. Where there's
>> legislation requiring a parking brake it's usually also a
>> requirement that it's mechanically actuated, hydraulics are not
>> allowed.
>> Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Charles
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes I confess I don't know if OEM
>> electric parking brake systems work by pressurizing the fluid in the
>> line, or if they are a simple mechanical 'arm' that is pulling
>> on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for sure?
>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
>> second case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have
>> some electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but
>> actuating it at any speed locks up your brakes. They are either on
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>> Message: 13 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 23:04:27 +0100 From: Charles McCall
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>>> To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" < guson at home.se
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>> Sorry, you are correct that it is a linear actuator. I answered
>> quickly.
> In
>> any case, it is a mechanical actuator and not pressurizing the
>> hydraulic line.
>>
>>
>> From: Tomas Gunnarsson [ mailto:guson at home.se
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>
>>
>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
>> would
> not
>> be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the brakes
>> are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip the switch
>> (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are on/off.
>> Where
> there's
>> legislation requiring a parking brake it's usually also a requirement
>> that it's mechanically actuated, hydraulics are not allowed.
>>
>>
>> Tomas
>>
>>
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
> 'arm'
>>
>> that is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that
>> for sure?
>
>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
> second
>>
>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
>> at
> any
>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
>>
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>> -------------- next part -------------- Sorry, you are correct that
>> it is a linear actuator. I answered quickly. In any case, it is a
>> mechanical actuator and not pressurizing the hydraulic line.
>>
>> From: Tomas Gunnarsson [ mailto:guson at home.se
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>
>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
>> would not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole
>> time the brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when
>> you flip the switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the
>> brakes are on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking
>> brake it's usually also a requirement that it's mechanically
>> actuated, hydraulics are not allowed.
>>
>> Tomas
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>
>>
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes I confess I don't know if OEM
>> electric parking brake systems work by pressurizing the fluid in the
>> line, or if they are a simple mechanical 'arm' that is pulling
>> on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for sure?
>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
>> second case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have
>> some electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but
>> actuating it at any speed locks up your brakes. They are either on
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>> I believe VW electric parking brake have an electric motor directly on
>> the caliper, no cables.
>>
>> Den 2016-01-13 22:53, Charles McCall skrev:
>>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
>>> mechanical
> 'arm'
>>> that is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know
>>> that for
> sure?
>>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
> second
>>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
>>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
>>> at
> any
>>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
>>>
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>> Message: 15 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 22:15:16 +0000 (UTC) From: marshall
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>> FYI....
>> I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and came
> with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that covered the lug
> nuts or you could delete the cone and go with exposed lug nuts.
>> I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I
>> recall.
>> Marshall -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/13/16,
>> Mike Drew via DeTomaso < detomaso at poca.com
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels To: davel at emspace.com
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>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
>> ???In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')>
>> writes:
>> ? ???My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. ? ???I think
>> that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the ?
>> ???unsprung weight for track use? ? ???dave
>> ???>>>Interesting.? This was apparently a reply to an original post by
>> ???Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
>> wind ???up in my spam folder? ???I'm noting some irregularities with
>> the forum these days....anyway, ???thankfully Dave included Michael's
>> original post, so see replies below:
>> ? ???On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: ? ???>? ???Greetings, ?
>> ???> ? ???>? ???After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>> ? ???inventory today, ? ???>? ???I have 21 Campy wheels,
>> ???>>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>> ? ???>? ???5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>> ? ???Triple ? ???>? ???Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd
>> Coddington Wheels made ? ???for Hall ? ???>? ???Pantera.
>> ???>>>Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?? He did
>> ???make them for several other vendors, in several different styles,
>> some ???markedly better than others.? Can you share some images
>> perhaps to help ???in identification? ???Hall did have somebody cast
>> up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were ???welded together, and
>> perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
>> ? ???>>? ???And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and
>> 245/40.
>> ???>>>What kind of wheels are those?? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>> ???descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
>> they ???have at least. :>)
>> ? ???> ? ???>? ???I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street
>> use, ? ???>? ???And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos
>> for ? ???Rally and ? ???>? ???Track use.
>> ???>>>Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or
>> Hall ???wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a
>> fake center ???spinner?? Those are as different as chalk and cheese
>> (with the latter ???being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels
>> I've ever ???encountered).
>> ? ???>? ???I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>> ? ???Blackwalls ? ???>? ???and a set of Double Slots with Vintage
>> Arrivas for Photos, ? ???With a spare ? ???>? ???Front and a Spare
>> Rear in case of a boo boo.
>> ???>>>Sounds good!
>> ? ???> ? ???>>? ???That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to
>> dispose of. ? ???Sell or ? ???>? ???Trade. Photos Available.
>> ???>>>Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?? What kind are
>> ???they?? Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some
>> L-model ???wheels?
>> ? ???>? ???I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>> ???>>>I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.?
>> These ???were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile
>> prototype.? I ???have no idea how many were put into production but
>> I've never seen any ???other car wearing them, so I would have to
>> imagine the number is very ???small indeed.? Even 1006, the earliest
>> known Pantera extant, had single ???slot wheels. ???So don't hold your
>> breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels ???to appear. :>)
>> ? ???>I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the ?
>> ???Campy ? ???>? ???Wheel education.
>> ???>>>It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
>> ???your aftermarket wheels.? Simply put, I would never wish
>> three-piece ???Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for
>> track use.? We ???collectively know about multiple failures, which
>> always led to rapid ???deflation and a potential accident.? Jack has
>> often told of the car ???that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las
>> Vegas at triple digit ???speeds one year when his Hall wheel
>> dismantled himself; I believe it ???thrust the car into the scenery,
>> but can't remember that aspect of the ???story for sure.? Jack?
>> ???Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying
>> to ???sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked
>> (!) and ???he had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it
>> had cracked ???halfway around.? The other three wheels had similar
>> cracks when they ???were taken apart and inspected. ???And Mad Dog's
>> fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall ???wheel; when
>> the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the ???freeway in
>> Los Angeles.? What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, ???the
>> brake line was damaged.? MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires
>> ???on and ran the Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped
>> on ???the brakes at the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed
>> onto ???the exhaust and the rest was history. ???And on and on and
>> on...I'm sure there are many others. ???Those wheels were a very
>> well-intentioned design but they were woefully ???under-engineered,
>> and today should be related either to a display case, ???or a
>> recycling bin IMHO.... ???So tell me exactly what kind of wheels
>> you're talking about here, as ???the Coddington wheels (which I have
>> aesthetic problems with, ???admittedly) are nothing like these Hall
>> wheels at all.
>> ? ???>>? ???Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the
>> green ? ???primer, ? ???>? ???I'll probably paint them Argent Silver
>> and Clear them just to ? ???see the ? ???>? ???final results. ? ???>?
>> ???Photo attached. ? ???>
>> ???>>>Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>> ???either.... ???Cheers! ???Mike
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>> Message: 16 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 22:24:18 +0000 (UTC) From: marshall
>> smith < marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
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>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> >, <
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>> marshall smith < marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
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>> Additionally....Hall's 10 spoke wheels have the spokes slanted
>> slightly
> inboard or towards the suspension. I believe Wilkinson made a 10 spoke
> wheel
> where the spokes slant outward. These are visually better looking giving
> a
> semi dished look and have slightly rounded spokes where the Hall's have
> sharp edged spokes.
>>
>> M -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/13/16,
>> marshall smith < marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net')>
>>> wrote:
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels To: davel at emspace.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> ,
>> detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> ,
>> michael at michaelshortt.com
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> MikeLDrew at aol.com
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>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 2:15 PM
>> FYI....
>> I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and came
>> with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that covered the
>> lug nuts or you could delete the cone and go with exposed lug nuts. I
>> was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I recall.
>> Marshall -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/13/16,
>> Mike Drew via DeTomaso < detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >
>> wrote:
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels To: davel at emspace.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> ,
>> detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> ,
>> michael at michaelshortt.com
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>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
>> ???In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')>
>> writes:
>> ? ???My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. ? ???I
>> think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the ?
>> ???unsprung weight for track use? ? ???dave
>> ???>>>Interesting.? This was apparently a reply to an original post
>> by ???Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did
>> it wind ???up in my spam folder? ???I'm noting some irregularities
>> with the forum these days....anyway, ???thankfully Dave included
>> Michael's original post, so see replies below:
>> ? ???On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: ? ???>?
>> ???Greetings, ? ???> ? ???>? ???After gathering all my wheels in
>> one place and a brief ? ???inventory today, ? ???>? ???I have 21
>> Campy wheels,
>> ???>>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>> ? ???>? ???5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and
>> Zero ? ???Triple ? ???>? ???Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd
>> Coddington Wheels made ? ???for Hall ? ???>? ???Pantera.
>> ???>>>Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?? He
>> did ???make them for several other vendors, in several different
>> styles, some ???markedly better than others.? Can you share some
>> images perhaps to help ???in identification? ???Hall did have
>> somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were ???welded
>> together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
>> ? ???>>? ???And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and
>> 245/40.
>> ???>>>What kind of wheels are those?? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>> ???descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
>> they ???have at least. :>)
>> ? ???> ? ???>? ???I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street
>> use, ? ???>? ???And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235
>> Kumhos for ? ???Rally and ? ???>? ???Track use.
>> ???>>>Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or
>> Hall ???wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a
>> fake center ???spinner?? Those are as different as chalk and cheese
>> (with the latter ???being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous
>> wheels I've ever ???encountered).
>> ? ???>? ???I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with
>> skinny ? ???Blackwalls ? ???>? ???and a set of Double Slots with
>> Vintage Arrivas for Photos, ? ???With a spare ? ???>? ???Front and
>> a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>> ???>>>Sounds good!
>> ? ???> ? ???>>? ???That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels
>> to dispose of. ? ???Sell or ? ???>? ???Trade. Photos Available.
>> ???>>>Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?? What kind
>> are ???they?? Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for
>> some L-model ???wheels?
>> ? ???>? ???I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>> ???>>>I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.?
>> These ???were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile
>> prototype.? I ???have no idea how many were put into production but
>> I've never seen any ???other car wearing them, so I would have to
>> imagine the number is very ???small indeed.? Even 1006, the earliest
>> known Pantera extant, had single ???slot wheels. ???So don't hold
>> your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels ???to
>> appear. :>)
>> ? ???>I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>> ? ???Campy ? ???>? ???Wheel education.
>> ???>>>It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned
>> about ???your aftermarket wheels.? Simply put, I would never wish
>> three-piece ???Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for
>> track use.? We ???collectively know about multiple failures, which
>> always led to rapid ???deflation and a potential accident.? Jack has
>> often told of the car ???that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in
>> Las Vegas at triple digit ???speeds one year when his Hall wheel
>> dismantled himself; I believe it ???thrust the car into the scenery,
>> but can't remember that aspect of the ???story for sure.? Jack?
>> ???Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying
>> to ???sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked
>> (!) and ???he had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be
>> fixed--it had cracked ???halfway around.? The other three wheels had
>> similar cracks when they ???were taken apart and inspected. ???And
>> Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
>> ???wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the
>> ???freeway in Los Angeles.? What wasn't seen was that during the
>> collapse, ???the brake line was damaged.? MD swapped his stock
>> wheels w/race tires ???on and ran the Silver State a day or two
>> later, but when he stepped on ???the brakes at the finish line, the
>> line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto ???the exhaust and the rest was
>> history. ???And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
>> ???Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
>> woefully ???under-engineered, and today should be related either to
>> a display case, ???or a recycling bin IMHO.... ???So tell me exactly
>> what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as ???the Coddington
>> wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with, ???admittedly) are
>> nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
>> ? ???>>? ???Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the
>> green ? ???primer, ? ???>? ???I'll probably paint them Argent
>> Silver and Clear them just to ? ???see the ? ???>? ???final
>> results. ? ???>? ???Photo attached. ? ???>
>> ???>>>Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the
>> photo ???either.... ???Cheers! ???Mike
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>> Message: 17 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:44:23 -0500 From: Michael Shortt
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID: <
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>> Marshall,
>> I have those too, considered having them Powdercoated, but the center
>> treatment would look silly. I have both the spinners and the big black
>> lugs. The other set is the 5 spoke from Hall/Boyd.
>> Michael Shortt On Jan 13, 2016 5:15 PM, "marshall smith" <
>> marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net')>
>>> wrote:
>>> FYI....
>>> I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and
>>> came with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that covered
>>> the lug nuts or you could delete the cone and go with exposed lug
>>> nuts. I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I
>>> recall.
>>> Marshall -------------------------------------------- On Wed,
>>> 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso < detomaso at poca.com
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >
>>> wrote:
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels To: davel at emspace.com
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> ,
>>> detomaso at poca.com
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> ,
>>> michael at michaelshortt.com
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('michael at michaelshortt.com')>
>>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
>>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')>
>>> writes:
>>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. I think
>>> that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
>>> unsprung weight for track use? dave
>>>>>> Interesting. This was
>>> apparently a reply to an original post by Michael Shortt, but that
>>> post never came through to me nor did it wind up in my spam folder?
>>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,
>>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
>>> below:
>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: Greetings,
>>>>
>>>> After
>>> gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief inventory
>>> today,
>>>> I have
>>> 21 Campy wheels,
>>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>>
>>>> 5
>>> Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero Triple
>>>> Slots
>>> ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made for
>>> Hall Pantera.
>>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington
>>> every made wheels for Hall? He did make them for several other
>>> vendors, in several different styles, some markedly better than
>>> others. Can you share some images perhaps to help in
>>> identification? Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke
>>> Si-looking wheels that were welded together, and perhaps
>>> Coddington was the source for those?
>>> And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
>>>>>> What kind of wheels are
>>> those? 10 spokes is a pretty vague descriiption--although I admit
>>> I'm pretty certain how many spokes they have at least. :>)
>>>>
>>>> I am
>>> keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
>>>> And
>>> one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for Rally and
>>>> Track
>>> use.
>>>>>> Wait--are you talking about
>>> Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall wheels which are
>>> three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake center spinner?
>>> Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the latter being
>>> the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever
>>> encountered).
>>>> I will
>>> be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny Blackwalls
>>>> and a
>>> set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos, With a
>>> spare
>>>> Front
>>> and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>>>>> Sounds good!
>>>
>>>>
>>> That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
>>> Sell or
>>>> Trade.
>>> Photos Available.
>>>>>> Somebody just asked for a
>>> set--Guy Dellavecchia? What kind are they? Guy might want to
>>> trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model wheels?
>>>> I'd
>>> love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>>>>> I have only ever seen two of
>>> them (separately) in my life. These were an experimental wheel
>>> used on the first pushmobile prototype. I have no idea how many
>>> were put into production but I've never seen any other car wearing
>>> them, so I would have to imagine the number is very small indeed.
>>> Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had single slot
>>> wheels. So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of
>>> three-slot wheels to appear. :>)
>>>> I will sort them this week by
>>> design, Thanks Mike Drew for the Campy
>>>> Wheel
>>> education.
>>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this
>>> point I'm far more concerned about your aftermarket wheels.
>>> Simply put, I would never wish three-piece Hall wheels on my worst
>>> enemy, and especially not for track use. We collectively know
>>> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and a
>>> potential accident. Jack has often told of the car that was
>>> zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds
>>> one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe it
>>> thrust the car into the scenery, but can't remember that aspect of
>>> the story for sure. Jack? Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
>>> Concorso that he was trying to sell; a rear wheel simply blew
>>> apart while the car was parked (!) and he had to tow it back to
>>> Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked halfway around.
>>> The other three wheels had similar cracks when they were taken
>>> apart and inspected. And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by
>>> the failure of his Hall wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,
>>> the car fell down onto the freeway in Los Angeles. What wasn't
>>> seen was that during the collapse, the brake line was damaged. MD
>>> swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran the Silver State
>>> a day or two later, but when he stepped on the brakes at the
>>> finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the exhaust and
>>> the rest was history. And on and on and on...I'm sure there are
>>> many others. Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but
>>> they were woefully under-engineered, and today should be related
>>> either to a display case, or a recycling bin IMHO.... So tell
>>> me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as the
>>> Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,
>>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
>>> Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
>>> primer,
>>>> I'll
>>> probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to see the
>>>> final
>>> results.
>>>> Photo
>>> attached.
>>>>>> Since I didn't get your
>>> original e-mail, I didn't get the photo either.... Cheers!
>>> Mike
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>> -------------- next part -------------- Marshall,
>> I have those too, considered having them Powdercoated, but the
>> center treatment would look silly. I have both the spinners and the
>> big black lugs. The other set is the 5 spoke from Hall/Boyd.
>> Michael Shortt
>> On Jan 13, 2016 5:15 PM, "marshall smith" <[1]
>> marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net')>
>>> wrote:
>> FYI.... I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded
>> centers and came with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and
>> cone that covered the lug nuts or you could delete the cone and go
>> with exposed lug nuts. I was told that Boyd made these. Hall
>> called them Mark 10s as I recall. Marshall
>> -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike
>> Drew via DeTomaso <[2] detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >
>> wrote: A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels A To: [3]
>> davel at emspace.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> ,
>> [4] detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> ,
>> [5] michael at michaelshortt.com
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>> A Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM A A A A In a message
>> dated A 1/10/16 21 39 38, [6] davel at emspace.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')>
>> A writes: A A A A A My 17" Hall wheels are a lot A heavier
>> than the mags. A A A A A I think that's fine for street, but
>> A aren't you concerned about the A A A A A unsprung weight for
>> track use? A A A A A dave A A A A >>>Interesting.A This was
>> A apparently a reply to an original post by A A A A Michael Shortt,
>> but that post never came A through to me nor did it wind A A A
>> A up in my spam folder? A A A A I'm noting some irregularities
>> with the A forum these days....anyway, A A A A thankfully Dave
>> included Michael's A original post, so see replies below: A A
>> A A A On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt A wrote: A A A A A >A
>> A A A A Greetings, A A A A A > A A A A A >A A A A After
>> A gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief A A A A A
>> inventory today, A A A A A >A A A A I have A 21 Campy
>> wheels, A A A A >>>Uh...that's a lot. :>) A A A A A >A A A A
>> 5 A Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>> A A A A A Triple A A A A A >A A A A Slots A ( No 10") Plus
>> 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made A A A A A for Hall
>> A A A A A >A A A A A Pantera. A A A A >>>Uh, I don't think
>> Coddington A every made wheels for Hall?A He did A A A A make
>> them for several other vendors, in A several different styles,
>> some A A A A markedly better than others.A Can you A share
>> some images perhaps to help A A A A in identification? A A A A
>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke A Si-looking wheels that
>> were A A A A welded together, and perhaps Coddington A was the
>> source for those? A A A A A >>A A A A A And the 17" 10 spokes
>> on the car now with A 335/35 and 245/40. A A A A >>>What kind
>> of wheels are A those?A 10 spokes is a pretty vague A A A A
>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty A certain how many
>> spokes they A A A A have at least. :>) A A A A A > A A A
>> A A >A A A A I am A keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street
>> use, A A A A A >A A A A And A one set of the 17" Hall Wheels
>> with 315/235 Kumhos for A A A A A Rally and A A A A A >A A
>> A A Track A use. A A A A >>>Wait--are you talking about A
>> Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall A A A A wheels which are
>> three-piece, A bolt-together affairs, with a fake center A A A
>> A spinner?A Those are as different as A chalk and cheese (with
>> the latter A A A A being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous
>> A wheels I've ever A A A A encountered). A A A A A >A A A A
>> I will A be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>> A A A A A Blackwalls A A A A A >A A A A and a A set of
>> Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos, A A A A A With a
>> spare A A A A A >A A A A Front A and a Spare Rear in case of
>> a boo boo. A A A A >>>Sounds good! A A A A A > A A A A A
>>>> A A A A A That leaves 2 full sets of double slot A wheels to
>> dispose of. A A A A A Sell or A A A A A >A A A A Trade.
>> A Photos Available. A A A A >>>Somebody just asked for a A
>> set--Guy Dellavecchia?A What kind are A A A A they?A Guy might
>> want to trade his A '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model A A A
>> A wheels? A A A A A >A A A A I'd A love a Triple Slot set.
>> Anybody have some? A A A A >>>I have only ever seen two of A
>> them (separately) in my life.A These A A A A were an experimental
>> wheel used on the A first pushmobile prototype.A I A A A A
>> have no idea how many were put into A production but I've never
>> seen any A A A A other car wearing them, so I would have to A
>> imagine the number is very A A A A small indeed.A Even 1006, the
>> A earliest known Pantera extant, had single A A A A slot wheels.
>> A A A A So don't hold your breath waiting for a A full set of
>> three-slot wheels A A A A to appear. :>) A A A A A >I will
>> sort them this week by A design, Thanks Mike Drew for the A A
>> A A A Campy A A A A A >A A A A Wheel A education. A A A
>> A >>>It's my pleasure, but at this A point I'm far more concerned
>> about A A A A your aftermarket wheels.A Simply put, A I would
>> never wish three-piece A A A A Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and
>> A especially not for track use.A We A A A A collectively know
>> about multiple failures, A which always led to rapid A A A A
>> deflation and a potential accident.A A Jack has often told of the
>> car A A A A that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in A Las Vegas
>> at triple digit A A A A speeds one year when his Hall wheel A
>> dismantled himself; I believe it A A A A thrust the car into the
>> scenery, but can't A remember that aspect of the A A A A story
>> for sure.A Jack? A A A A Larry Stock had a car on the grass at A
>> Concorso that he was trying to A A A A sell; a rear wheel simply
>> blew apart while A the car was parked (!) and A A A A he had
>> to tow it back to Nevada as it A couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
>> A A A A halfway around.A The other three A wheels had similar
>> cracks when they A A A A were taken apart and inspected. A A A
>> A And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused A by the failure of his
>> Hall A A A A wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, A the car
>> fell down onto the A A A A freeway in Los Angeles.A What wasn't
>> A seen was that during the collapse, A A A A the brake line was
>> damaged.A MD A swapped his stock wheels w/race tires A A A A
>> on and ran the Silver State a day or two A later, but when he
>> stepped on A A A A the brakes at the finish line, the line A
>> ruptured, fluid sprayed onto A A A A the exhaust and the rest was
>> history. A A A A And on and on and on...I'm sure there are A
>> many others. A A A A Those wheels were a very well-intentioned
>> A design but they were woefully A A A A under-engineered, and
>> today should be A related either to a display case, A A A A or
>> a recycling bin IMHO.... A A A A So tell me exactly what kind of
>> wheels A you're talking about here, as A A A A the Coddington
>> wheels (which I have A aesthetic problems with, A A A A
>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall A wheels at all. A A A
>> A A >>A A A A A Just let a local guy soda blast two of A them
>> down to the green A A A A A primer, A A A A A >A A A A I'll
>> A probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to A A A
>> A A see the A A A A A >A A A A final A results. A A A A
>> A >A A A A Photo A attached. A A A A A > A A A A
>>>>> Since I didn't get your A original e-mail, I didn't get the
>> photo A A A A either.... A A A A Cheers! A A A A Mike
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>> Message: 18 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 03:51:32 +0000 (UTC) From: Ken
>> Green < kenn_green at yahoo.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('kenn_green at yahoo.com')> >
>> To: Tomas Gunnarsson < guson at home.se
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> >, "
>> charlesmccall at gmail.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')>
>> " < charlesmccall at gmail.com
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>>> , Scott Bell < scott at saccrestorations.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('scott at saccrestorations.net')>
>>> Cc: " detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> " <
>> detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: <
>> 1037889853.5193710.1452743492663.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('1037889853.5193710.1452743492663.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com')>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> Scott at SACC ( http://www.saccrestorations.net/
>> <http://www.saccrestorations.net/> ) was selling an electric
> parking brake actuator kit?for?Panteras.? I'm not sure if it is
> currently
> available, so you'd have to ask Scott.
>> Ken ?
>> From: Tomas Gunnarsson < guson at home.se
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> > To:
>> charlesmccall at gmail.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')>
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]
>> parking brakes
>> ? It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
>> would ? not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole
>> time the ? brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when
>> you flip the ? switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the
>> brakes are ? on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking
>> brake it's ? usually also a requirement that it's mechanically
>> actuated, hydraulics ? are not allowed.
>> ? Tomas ? <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> ? ? ? From: Charles
>> McCall [ charlesmccall at gmail.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')>
>> ] ? Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM ? To: ? MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> ;
>> guson at home.se
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>> detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> ?
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes ? I confess I don't know if OEM
>> electric parking brake systems work by ? pressurizing the fluid in the
>> line, or if they are a simple mechanical ? 'arm' ? that ? is pulling
>> on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for ? sure? ?
>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
>> ? second ? case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They
>> have some ? electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but
>> actuating it at ? any ? speed locks up your brakes. They are either on
>> or off. ? _______________________________________________ ? Detomaso
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>> -------------- next part -------------- Scott at SACC ([1]
>> http://www.saccrestorations.net/ <http://www.saccrestorations.net/> )
>> was selling an electric parking brake actuator kit for Panteras.
>> I'm not sure if it is currently available, so you'd have to ask
>> Scott. Ken
>> __________________________________________________________________
>> From: Tomas Gunnarsson < guson at home.se
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> > To:
>> charlesmccall at gmail.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')>
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]
>> parking brakes It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a
>> motor. A solenoid would not be good as it would need to draw
>> current for the whole time the brakes are on. You can probably
>> hear the motor whine when you flip the switch (or whatever) and
>> then it goes silent when the brakes are on/off. Where there's
>> legislation requiring a parking brake it's usually also a
>> requirement that it's mechanically actuated, hydraulics are not
>> allowed. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>> From: Charles McCall [[2] charlesmccall at gmail.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')>
>> ] Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM To:
>> [3] MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> ;[4]
>> guson at home.se
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>> gaino at earthlink.net
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>> ;[6]detomas o at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('o at poca.com')>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes I confess I don't know if
>> OEM electric parking brake systems work by pressurizing the fluid
>> in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical 'arm' that
>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for
>> sure? ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a
>> solenoid - the second case. They do not pressurize the fluid
>> in the line. They have some electronics to ease the brake on if
>> you are moving, but actuating it at any speed locks up your
>> brakes. They are either on or off.
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>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 19 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 20:19:16 -0800 From: "Scott Bell" <
>> scott at saccrestorations.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('scott at saccrestorations.net')>
>>> To: "'Ken Green'" < kenn_green at yahoo.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('kenn_green at yahoo.com')> >
>> Cc: < detomaso at poca.com
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID:
>> <013501d14e82$bc2e21f0$348a65d0$@saccrestorations.net> Content-Type:
>> text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> Yes, the E-Stopp Electronic Parking Brake Kit is back and available to
>> use
> with the stock Pantera rear Calipers or with any aftermarket parking
> brake
> caliper. I will add them back to our website later this week.
>>
>> We offer the kit as it is sold from E-Stopp. The do-it-yourselfer can
>> fab
> the brackets needed to mount it in the Pantera. OR, we offer an
> installation
> kit that makes the unit a bolt on upgrade.
>>
>> Interestingly, before I had the E-Stopp installed in my Pantera, I
>> almost
> never set my parking brake. Not sure why, maybe because I didn?t like
> how
> awkward the stock unit was to operate. For the stock unit to work it
> really
> needs to be set with a bit or force. Then, to release, I needed to use
> both
> hands. After installing the Electronic unit, I set the parking brake
> every
> time I park the car.
>>
>> In addition to the Electronic Actuator, SACC Restorations is coming
>> out
> with a new Parking Brake Caliper Kit that will be a bolt on unit custom
> fitted specifically for the Pantera. This will give owners an
> opportunity to
> upgrade to a great looking, light weight and affordable parking brake
> solution. More to come on the new product in the next few weeks!
>>
>> Scott
>> From: Ken Green [ mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('kenn_green at yahoo.com')> ]
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:52 PM To: Tomas Gunnarsson;
>> charlesmccall at gmail.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')>
>> ; Scott Bell Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> Scott at SACC ( http://www.saccrestorations.net/
>> <http://www.saccrestorations.net/> ) was selling an electric
> parking brake actuator kit for Panteras. I'm not sure if it is
> currently
> available, so you'd have to ask Scott.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> _____
>> From: Tomas Gunnarsson < guson at home.se
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> > To:
>> charlesmccall at gmail.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')>
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]
>> parking brakes
>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
>> would not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time
>> the brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you
>> flip the switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes
>> are on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's
>> usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated, hydraulics
>> are not allowed.
>> Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Charles McCall
>> [ charlesmccall at gmail.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')>
>> ] Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM To: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> ;
>> guson at home.se
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> ;
>> gaino at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ;
>> detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes I confess I don't know if OEM
>> electric parking brake systems work by pressurizing the fluid in the
>> line, or if they are a simple mechanical 'arm' that is pulling on a
>> mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for sure? ****Audis
>> use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the second
>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
>> at any speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
>> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum
>> Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso
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>> -------------- next part -------------- Yes, the E-Stopp Electronic
>> Parking Brake Kit is back and available to use with the stock
>> Pantera rear Calipers or with any aftermarket parking brake caliper.
>> I will add them back to our website later this week.
>>
>> We offer the kit as it is sold from E-Stopp. The do-it-yourselfer
>> can fab the brackets needed to mount it in the Pantera. OR, we offer
>> an installation kit that makes the unit a bolt on upgrade.
>>
>> Interestingly, before I had the E-Stopp installed in my Pantera, I
>> almost never set my parking brake. Not sure why, maybe because I
>> didn't like how awkward the stock unit was to operate. For the stock
>> unit to work it really needs to be set with a bit or force. Then, to
>> release, I needed to use both hands. After installing the Electronic
>> unit, I set the parking brake every time I park the car.
>>
>> In addition to the Electronic Actuator, SACC Restorations is coming
>> out with a new Parking Brake Caliper Kit that will be a bolt on unit
>> custom fitted specifically for the Pantera. This will give owners an
>> opportunity to upgrade to a great looking, light weight and affordable
>> parking brake solution. More to come on the new product in the next
>> few weeks!
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> From: Ken Green [ mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('kenn_green at yahoo.com')> ]
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:52 PM To: Tomas Gunnarsson;
>> charlesmccall at gmail.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')>
>> ; Scott Bell Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>
>> Scott at SACC ([1] http://www.saccrestorations.net/
>> <http://www.saccrestorations.net/> ) was selling an electric parking
>> brake actuator kit for Panteras. I'm not sure if it is currently
>> available, so you'd have to ask Scott.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>> From: Tomas Gunnarsson <[2] guson at home.se
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> > To:
>> [3] charlesmccall at gmail.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')>
>> Cc: [4] detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]
>> parking brakes
>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
>> would not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole
>> time the brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when
>> you flip the switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when
>> the brakes are on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a
>> parking brake it's usually also a requirement that it's
>> mechanically actuated, hydraulics are not allowed. Tomas
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Charles McCall [[5]
>> charlesmccall at gmail.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')>
>> ] Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM To:
>> [6] MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> ;[7]
>> guson at home.se
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> ;[8]
>> gaino at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
>> ;[9]detomas o at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('o at poca.com')>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes I confess I don't know if
>> OEM electric parking brake systems work by pressurizing the fluid
>> in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical 'arm' that
>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for
>> sure? ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a
>> solenoid - the second case. They do not pressurize the fluid
>> in the line. They have some electronics to ease the brake on if
>> you are moving, but actuating it at any speed locks up your
>> brakes. They are either on or off.
>> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum
>> Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
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>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 20 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 16:50:07 +0000 (UTC) From: B Hower
>> < b.hower3400 at yahoo.com
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>>> To: De Tomaso List < detomaso at poca.com
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>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 91 Merc parts Message-ID: <
>> 749672874.510825.1452790207343.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> Hi all, I am scrapping a 91 Merc Marque. If anyone would happen to
>> need any parts
> from same,,,,contact me off forum.
>> ?Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
>> be !
> )
>> -------------- next part -------------- Hi all, I am scrapping a
>> 91 Merc Marque. If anyone would happen to need any parts from
>> same,,,,contact me off forum.
>> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
>> be ! )
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 21 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:26:12 -0500 From: Rob Dumoulin <
>> rob at dumoulins.net
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>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
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>> Following Bud's lead,
>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in
>> Northwest Florida. I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M
>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8) that
>> I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
>> profit
> he
>> makes from it. He is making it pretty to sell. Catch it quick before
>> he sinks money into it for a better deal.
>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts. Contact me off list
>> if you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
>> Rob 904.476.8744 -------------- next part -------------- Following
>> Bud's lead, The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out
>> to pasture in Northwest Florida.A I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M
>> body, M rims, M transmission, and M suspension package, but a
>> regular M62 4.4 V8) that I have dropped off at my mechanic and
>> advised him I would split any profit he makes from it.A He is
>> making it pretty to sell.A Catch it quick before he sinks money
>> into it for a better deal. Buy it whole, or make it worth our time
>> in parts.A Contact me off list if you want to know what it needs
>> mechanically to be right again. Rob 904.476.8744
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 22 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:35:44 -0500 From: "Mirril M.
>> McMullen" < mirrilm at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('mirrilm at earthlink.net')>
>>> To: "'Rob Dumoulin'" < rob at dumoulins.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> >
>> Cc: "'Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List'" < DeTomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('DeTomaso at poca.com')> >
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
>> Message-ID: <009b01d14ef1$ff563660$fe02a320$@earthlink.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> Hmmm,
>> Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
>> /\/\///
>> -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [
>> mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com')>
>> ] On Behalf Of Rob
> Dumoulin
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail
>> List Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
>> Following Bud's lead,
>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in
> Northwest Florida. I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M
> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8) that I
> have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any profit
> he
> makes from it. He is making it pretty to sell. Catch it quick before
> he
> sinks money into it for a better deal.
>>
>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts. Contact me off list
>> if
> you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
>>
>> Rob 904.476.8744
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 23 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:55:15 -0500 From: Rob Dumoulin <
>> rob at dumoulins.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> >
>> To: Mirril McMullen < mirrilm at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('mirrilm at earthlink.net')>
>>> Cc: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List < DeTomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('DeTomaso at poca.com')> >
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
>> Message-ID: <
>> CAEr4y_tsVfHd1sESiSVDnm-VZD7x5PkuiCm2OTmAZ1mJ7ZkmCw at mail.gmail.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('CAEr4y_tsVfHd1sESiSVDnm-VZD7x5PkuiCm2OTmAZ1mJ7ZkmCw at mail.gmail.com')>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> Not at all. Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few years
>> ago. Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff. Always
>> got synthetic oil changes regular.
>> 240K miles and a transmission that will not go into reverse when
>> engine is hot was the kicker. That and the interior is showing age.
>> Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still glides
>> down the road.
>> Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 rob at dumoulins.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')>
>> www.kbsi.co <http://www.kbsi.co>
>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
> < mirrilm at earthlink.net
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('mirrilm at earthlink.net')> >
>> wrote:
>>> Hmmm,
>>> Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
>>> /\/\///
>>> -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [
>>> mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com')>
>>> ] On Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM
>>> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW
>>> 740i Sport for whole or parts
>>> Following Bud's lead,
>>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in
>>> Northwest Florida. I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M
>>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8)
>>> that I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split
>>> any profit
> he
>>> makes from it. He is making it pretty to sell. Catch it quick
>>> before he sinks money into it for a better deal.
>>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts. Contact me off
>>> list if you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right
>>> again.
>>> Rob 904.476.8744
>> -------------- next part -------------- Not at all.A Cam chain,
>> tensioner, waterpump all changed a few years ago. A Also, new fan
>> clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff.A Always got synthetic oil
>> changes regular. 240K miles and a transmission that will not go into
>> reverse when engine is hot was the kicker.A That and the interior
>> is showing age.A Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS
>> sensor but still glides down the road.
>> Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 [1] rob at dumoulins.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')>
>> [2] www.kbsi.co <http://www.kbsi.co> [3]
>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58> On Thu, Jan 14,
>> 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen <[4] mirrilm at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('mirrilm at earthlink.net')>
>>> wrote:
>> Hmmm, Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
>> /\/\///
>> -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [
>> mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com')>
>> ] On Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26
>> PM To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000
>> BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts Following Bud's lead, The finest
>> road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in Northwest
>> Florida.A I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M
>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8) that
>> I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
>> profit he makes from it.A He is making it pretty to sell.A Catch it
>> quick before he sinks money into it for a better deal. Buy it whole,
>> or make it worth our time in parts.A Contact me off list if you
>> want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again. Rob
>> 904.476.8744
>> References
>> 1. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> 2.
>> http://www.kbsi.co/ <http://www.kbsi.co/> 3.
>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58> 4.
>> mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('mirrilm at earthlink.net')>
>> 5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com')>
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 24 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:56:57 -0500 From: Rob Dumoulin <
>> rob at dumoulins.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> >
>> To: Mirril McMullen < mirrilm at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('mirrilm at earthlink.net')>
>>> Cc: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List < DeTomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('DeTomaso at poca.com')> >
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
>> Message-ID: <CAEr4y_ubKH1kTNF61wqfS+TpW+q2OPZuP=uwOjq5Y=
>> FhZt-Apw at mail.gmail.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('FhZt-Apw at mail.gmail.com')>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> Forgot to add....I have 6 cars. I do not need 6 cars.
>> Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 rob at dumoulins.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')>
>> www.kbsi.co <http://www.kbsi.co>
>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58>
>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Rob Dumoulin < rob at dumoulins.net
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> >
>>> wrote:
>>> Not at all. Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few years
>>> ago. Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff. Always
>>> got synthetic oil changes regular.
>>> 240K miles and a transmission that will not go into reverse when
>>> engine
> is
>>> hot was the kicker. That and the interior is showing age.
>>> Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still glides
> down
>>> the road.
>>> Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 rob at dumoulins.net
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')>
>>> www.kbsi.co <http://www.kbsi.co>
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58>
>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen <
>>> mirrilm at earthlink.net
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('mirrilm at earthlink.net')>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Hmmm,
>>>> Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
>>>> /\/\///
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [
>>>> mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com')>
>>>> ] On Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26
>>>> PM To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW
>>>> 740i Sport for whole or parts
>>>> Following Bud's lead,
>>>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in
>>>> Northwest Florida. I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims,
>>>> M transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8)
>>>> that I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split
>>>> any profit
> he
>>>> makes from it. He is making it pretty to sell. Catch it quick
>>>> before
> he
>>>> sinks money into it for a better deal.
>>>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts. Contact me off
>>>> list
> if
>>>> you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
>>>> Rob 904.476.8744
>> -------------- next part -------------- Forgot to add....I have 6
>> cars.A I do not need 6 cars.
>> Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 [1] rob at dumoulins.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')>
>> [2] www.kbsi.co <http://www.kbsi.co> [3]
>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58> On Thu, Jan 14,
>> 2016 at 12:55 PM, Rob Dumoulin <[4] rob at dumoulins.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> >
>> wrote:
>> Not at all.A Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few
>> years ago. A Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other
>> stuff.A Always got synthetic oil changes regular. 240K miles and
>> a transmission that will not go into reverse when engine is hot was
>> the kicker.A That and the interior is showing age.A Needs two new
>> coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still glides down the
>> road.
>> Rob DuMoulin [5]904.476.8744 [6] rob at dumoulins.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')>
>> [7] www.kbsi.co <http://www.kbsi.co> [8]
>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58> On Thu, Jan 14,
>> 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen <[9] mirrilm at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('mirrilm at earthlink.net')>
>>> wrote:
>> Hmmm, Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
>> /\/\///
>> -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [
>> mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com')>
>> ] On Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26
>> PM To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000
>> BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts Following Bud's lead, The finest
>> road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in Northwest
>> Florida.A I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M
>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8) that
>> I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
>> profit he makes from it.A He is making it pretty to sell.A Catch it
>> quick before he sinks money into it for a better deal. Buy it whole,
>> or make it worth our time in parts.A Contact me off list if you
>> want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again. Rob
>> [11]904.476.8744
>> References
>> 1. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> 2.
>> http://www.kbsi.co/ <http://www.kbsi.co/> 3.
>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58> 4.
>> mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> 5.
>> tel:904.476.8744 6. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> 7.
>> http://www.kbsi.co/ <http://www.kbsi.co/> 8.
>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58> 9.
>> mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('mirrilm at earthlink.net')>
>> 10. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com')>
>> 11. tel:904.476.8744
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 25 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 18:08:58 +0000 (UTC) From: marshall
>> smith < marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net')>
>>> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' < guson at home.se
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> >, <
>> gaino at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> >,
>> Stephen < steve at snclocks.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> >
>> Cc: < detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: <
>> 819779826.4191306.1452794938797.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com
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>> Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
>> -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen
>> < steve at snclocks.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> >
>> wrote:
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <
>> guson at home.se
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> >,
>> gaino at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
>> ???Whilst `inelegant', at least the stock system works well.? I
>> installed ???Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the
>> originals on the ???back.? I did have the originals coated black -
>> heck, doesn't look that ???bad.
>>
>> ???Stephen Nelson
>>
>> ???-----Original Message----- ???From: DeTomaso [
>> mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com')>
>> ] On Behalf Of Tomas ???Gunnarsson ???Sent: Wednesday, January 13,
>> 2016 8:03 AM ???To: gaino at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
>> ???Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
>> ???Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>
>> ???That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
>> brake ???and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car
>> with the ???brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>> ???Tomas
>>
>> ???<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???From: bill gaino [
>> gaino at earthlink.net
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ]
>> ???Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
>> ???To: [1] detomaso at poca.com
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>> ???Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>
>> ???Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that
>> that ???blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed
>> against the ???rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E
>> brake calipers..
>> ???like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
>>
>>
>> ???[2]
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> Dear Jack,
>
> You wrote:
>
> " the stock al-asbestos-al heat shield. "
>
> $$$$$$$$ Ah-hah! I thought that there was some asbestos in there
> somewhere, but I could not be sure. Obviously, it is sandwiched between
> the aluminum layers. Thanks for bolstering my fuzzy memory.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
>
> To: 'tom ware' <ace595 at hotmail.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 5:26 pm
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16
>
> Dear Tom,
>
> I am not an expert, but....
>
> last year I removed the gas tank from my late '74 Pantera, which has
> had the
>
> stainless steel treatment for the last twenty five years. Behind the
> bling
>
> is the base stock thick aluminum(?) which is not a single layer. There
> are
>
> at least two layers and there *might* be a layer in between. That is
> my
>
> guess and I will defer to an expert.
>
> I think that the normal stainless steel shield installation is over the
>
> stock one. Perhaps it is heavier, but it would tend to further shield
> the
>
> gas tank from the headers' heat.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: DeTomaso [ [1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of tom
> ware
>
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:58 PM
>
> To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16
>
> Gas tank shield ?
>
> I have a new stainless steel shield that came with my project.
>
> Is it the norm to insulate it for heat.?
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> 14. Re: parking brakes (Thomas Tornblom)
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>> Message: 1
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>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:27:31 -0800
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>> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" < [13]guson at home.se>
>
>> To: < [14]gaino at earthlink.net>
>
>> Cc: < [15]steve at snclocks.com>, < [16]detomaso at poca.com>
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
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>> Message-ID: < [17]46D238640B764EE3A581C2544BE74A80 at mail2world.com>
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>>
>
>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side of
>
>> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that
> not
>
>> all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only newer
>
>> cars that suffer from that.
>
>>
>
>> Tomas
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
>>
>
>> From: bill gaino [ [18]gaino at earthlink.net]
>
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 6:13:51 PM
>
>> To: [19]steve at snclocks.com; [20]guson at home.se
>
>> Cc: [21]detomaso at poca.com
>
>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position to
> use
>
>> as Ebrake? He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired on
>
>> the rear mounts..Bill 1362
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>>
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>>
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>>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: Stephen
>
>> Sent: Jan 13, 2016 11:21 AM
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>> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' , [22]gaino at earthlink.net
>
>> Cc: [23]detomaso at poca.com
>
>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Whilst 'inelegant', at least the stock system works well. I
>
>> installed Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals
> on
>
>> the back. I did have the originals coated black - heck, doesn't look
>
>> that bad.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Stephen Nelson
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: DeTomaso [ [24]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
> Of
>
>> Tomas Gunnarsson
>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
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>> To: [25]gaino at earthlink.net
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>> Cc: [26]detomaso at poca.com
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
>
>> brake and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car
> with
>
>> the brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Tomas
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> From: bill gaino
>
>> [ [27]gaino at earthlink.net]
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>>
>
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
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>> To: [28]detomaso at poca.com< [29]mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
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>>
>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
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>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that
>
>> that blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against
>
>> the rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake
>
>> calipers..
>
>>
>
>> like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side
> of
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>> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that
> not
>
>> all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only
> newer
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>> Tomas
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>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
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>> From: bill gaino [ [40]gaino at earthlink.net]
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>> To: [41]steve at snclocks.com; [42]guson at home.se
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>> Cc: [43]detomaso at poca.com
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>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position to
> use
>
>> as Ebrake? He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired
> on
>
>> the rear mounts..Bill 1362
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>> From: Stephen
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>> Sent: Jan 13, 2016 11:21 AM
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>> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' , [44]gaino at earthlink.net
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>> Cc: [45]detomaso at poca.com
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>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
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>>
>
>> Whilst `inelegant', at least the stock system works well. I
> installed
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>
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> that
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> Tomas
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>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
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>>
>
>>
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>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
> brake
>
>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with
> the
>
>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>
>>
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>> Tomas
>
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>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
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>>
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>> Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that
> that
>
>> blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against
> the
>
>> rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake
> calipers..
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>> like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
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>> Message: 2
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>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:51:53 -0500
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>> From: [62]MikeLDrew at aol.com
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>> To: [63]guson at home.se, [64]gaino at earthlink.net
>
>> Cc: [65]detomaso at poca.com
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
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>> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, [67]guson at home.sewrites:
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>>
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>>
>
>>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
> brake
>
>>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the
>
>>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>
>>
>
>>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking
> about an
>
>> (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the
> OEMs and
>
> is
>
>> in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective to satisfy
>
>> government regulations worldwide). Such systems are now available
> in the
>
>> aftermarket.
>
>>
>
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
> mechanical
>
> 'arm' that
>
>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that
> for
>
> sure?
>
>>
>
>> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient
> to
>
> hold
>
>> a car for any length of time; they are designed for very short-term
> use
>
>> only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than an inch)
>
> crashing
>
>> into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow it and the fool
>
> parked it
>
>> overnight on a slope in neutral with the line lock engaged. As the
>
> brakes
>
>> cooled at night, they released and the car rolled through a lot
> crowded
>
> with
>
>> collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a hedge
> and
>
> down
>
>> into a ditch! Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been
> very bad
>
>> indeed.
>
>>
>
>> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
> much
>
>> more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would
> still
>
> hold
>
>> pressure even as the fluid cooled. However, it would not serve as a
>
> proper
>
>> emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal blew
> out in
>
> a
>
>> caliper) whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages the
>
>> components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work.
>
>>
>
>> Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30
> years...park
>
>> wisely and hope for the best!)
>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>
>> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, [68]guson at home.sewrites:
>
>>
>
>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
>
>> brake
>
>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with
> the
>
>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>
>>
>
>>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about
>
>> an (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by
> the
>
>> OEMs and is in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently
> effective
>
>> to satisfy government regulations worldwide). Such systems are now
>
>> available in the aftermarket.
>
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
> by
>
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
> mechanical
>
>> 'arm' that is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody
> know
>
>> that for sure?
>
>> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient
> to
>
>> hold a car for any length of time; they are designed for very
>
>> short-term use only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less
> than
>
>> an inch) crashing into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend
> borrow
>
>> it and the fool parked it overnight on a slope in neutral with the
> line
>
>> lock engaged. As the brakes cooled at night, they released and the
> car
>
>> rolled through a lot crowded with collector cars, brushed past the
>
>> Aston and crashed through a hedge and down into a ditch!
> Fortunately
>
>> it was unhurt, but it could have been very bad indeed.
>
>> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
> much
>
>> more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would
> still
>
>> hold pressure even as the fluid cooled. However, it would not
> serve as
>
>> a proper emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure (say, a
> seal
>
>> blew out in a caliper) whereas a cable-type system that
> mechanically
>
>> leverages the components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to
> work.
>
>> Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30
> years...park
>
>> wisely and hope for the best!)
>
>>
>
>> ------------------------------
>
>>
>
>> Message: 3
>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:51:57 -0500
>
>> From: [69]MikeLDrew at aol.com
>
>> To: [70]gaino at earthlink.net, [71]steve at snclocks.com,
> [72]guson at home.se
>
>> Cc: [73]detomaso at poca.com
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>> Message-ID: < [74]72fdc9.23690f23.43c804dd at aol.com>
>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, [75]gaino at earthlink.netwrites:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>> ?? Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position
> to
>
>>> use
>
>>> ?? as Ebrake?? He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey
> wired on
>
>>> ?? the rear mounts.
>
>>
>
>>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics. The
>
>> calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear of
> the
>
>> wheelwell. If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no
> longer
>
> fit, plus if
>
>> longer ones were used, they would foul the driveshafts on their way
>
>> forward. The only possible way to make a system like that work
> would be
>
> to
>
>> reposition the cables so they entered the wheelwells ahead of,
> instead of
>
> behind
>
>> the hub carriers, and there would be a fair bit of engineering
> involved.
>
> I
>
>> suppose it might be possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial
>
> exercise.
>
>>
>
>> Mike
>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>
>> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, [76]gaino at earthlink.netwrites:
>
>>
>
>> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front
> position
>
>> to use
>
>> as Ebrake? He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey
>
>> wired on
>
>> the rear mounts.
>
>>
>
>>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics. The
>
>> calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear
> of
>
>> the wheelwell. If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no
>
>> longer fit, plus if longer ones were used, they would foul the
>
>> driveshafts on their way forward. The only possible way to make a
>
>> system like that work would be to reposition the cables so they
> entered
>
>> the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind the hub carriers, and
> there
>
>> would be a fair bit of engineering involved. I suppose it might be
>
>> possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial exercise.
>
>> Mike
>
>>
>
>> ------------------------------
>
>>
>
>> Message: 4
>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:52:03 -0500
>
>> From: [77]MikeLDrew at aol.com
>
>> To: [78]guson at home.se, [79]gaino at earthlink.net
>
>> Cc: [80]detomaso at poca.com
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>> Message-ID: < [81]72fddd.5edc2feb.43c804e3 at aol.com>
>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, [82]guson at home.sewrites:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side
> of
>
>>> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that
> not
>
>>> all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only
> newer
>
>>> cars that suffer from that.
>
>>
>
>>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes only
> on
>
>> one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a
> production
>
>> standpoint).
>
>>
>
>> Mike
>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>
>> In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, [83]guson at home.sewrites:
>
>>
>
>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front
> side
>
>> of
>
>> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard
> that
>
>> not
>
>> all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only
>
>> newer
>
>> cars that suffer from that.
>
>>
>
>>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes only
>
>> on one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a
>
>> production standpoint).
>
>> Mike
>
>>
>
>> ------------------------------
>
>>
>
>> Message: 5
>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 15:19:19 -0500
>
>> From: [84]MikeLDrew at aol.com
>
>> To: [85]davel at emspace.com, [86]detomaso at poca.com,
> [87]michael at michaelshortt.com
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
>
>> Message-ID: < [88]73161a.56810af3.43c80b47 at aol.com>
>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>>
>
>>
>
>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [89]davel at emspace.comwrites:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.
>
>>> I think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
>
>>> unsprung weight for track use?
>
>>> dave
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>>> Interesting. This was apparently a reply to an original post by
>
>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
> wind up
>
> in my
>
>> spam folder?
>
>>
>
>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,
>
>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
> below:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:
>
>>>> ? ?? Greetings,
>
>>>>
>
>>>> ? ?? After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
> inventory
>
>>> today,
>
>>>> ? ?? I have 21 Campy wheels,
>
>>>
>
>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>>> ? ?? 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
> Triple
>
>>>> ? ?? Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
> for
>
>>> Hall
>
>>>> ? ?? Pantera.
>
>>
>
>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall? He did
> make
>
>> them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some
> markedly
>
>> better than others. Can you share some images perhaps to help in
>
>> identification?
>
>>
>
>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were
>
> welded
>
>> together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
>
>>
>
>>>>> ? ?? And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
>
>>>
>
>>>>> What kind of wheels are those? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>
>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
> they
>
> have at least. :>
>
>> )
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>> ? ?? I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
>
>>>> ? ?? And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
> Rally
>
> and
>
>>>> ? ?? Track use.
>
>>>
>
>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>
> wheels
>
>> which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
> spinner?
>
>> Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the latter being the
> only
>
>> genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever encountered).
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>>> ? ?? I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>
>>> Blackwalls
>
>>>> ? ?? and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
> With a
>
>>> spare
>
>>>> ? ?? Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>
>>>
>
>>>>> Sounds good!
>
>>>>
>
>>>>> ? ?? That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
> Sell
>
>>> or
>
>>>> ? ?? Trade. Photos Available.
>
>>>
>
>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia? What kind are
> they?
>
>> Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
> wheels?
>
>>
>
>>>> ? ?? I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>
>>>
>
>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life. These
> were
>
>> an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype. I
> have no
>
>> idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any other
> car
>
>> wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very small
> indeed.
>
> Even
>
>> 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels.
>
>>
>
>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels
> to
>
>> appear. :>)
>
>>
>
>>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
> Campy
>
>>>> ? ?? Wheel education.
>
>>>
>
>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
> your
>
>> aftermarket wheels. Simply put, I would never wish three-piece Hall
>
> wheels
>
>> on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use. We
> collectively
>
> know
>
>> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and a
>
> potential
>
>> accident. Jack has often told of the car that was zorching down Mt.
> Ch
>
>> arleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his Hall
> wheel
>
>> dismantled himself; I believe it thrust the car into the scenery, but
>
> can't
>
>> remember that aspect of the story for sure. Jack?
>
>>
>
>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to
> sell;
>
>> a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and he
> had to
>
>> tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked halfway
>
> around.
>
>> The other three wheels had similar cracks when they were taken apart
> and
>
>> inspected.
>
>>
>
>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
> wheel;
>
>> when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the freeway
> in Los
>
>> Angeles. What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the brake
> line
>
> was
>
>> damaged. MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran the
> Silver
>
>> State a day or two later, but when he stepped on the brakes at the
> finish
>
>> line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest
> was
>
>> history.
>
>>
>
>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
>
>>
>
>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
> woefully
>
>> under-engineered, and today should be related either to a display
> case, or
>
> a
>
>> recycling bin IMHO....
>
>>
>
>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as
> the
>
>> Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with, admittedly)
> are
>
>> nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
>
>>
>
>>>>> ? ?? Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
>
>>> primer,
>
>>>> ? ?? I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
> see
>
>>> the
>
>>>> ? ?? final results.
>
>>>> ? ?? Photo attached.
>
>>>
>
>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>
>> either....
>
>>
>
>> Cheers!
>
>>
>
>> Mike
>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>
>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [90]davel at emspace.comwrites:
>
>>
>
>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.
>
>> I think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about
> the
>
>> unsprung weight for track use?
>
>> dave
>
>>
>
>>>>> Interesting. This was apparently a reply to an original post by
>
>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
> wind
>
>> up in my spam folder?
>
>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,
>
>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
> below:
>
>>
>
>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:
>
>>> Greetings,
>
>>>
>
>>> After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>
>> inventory today,
>
>>> I have 21 Campy wheels,
>
>>
>
>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>
>>
>
>>> 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>
>> Triple
>
>>> Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
>
>> for Hall
>
>>> Pantera.
>
>>
>
>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall? He did
>
>> make them for several other vendors, in several different styles,
> some
>
>> markedly better than others. Can you share some images perhaps to
> help
>
>> in identification?
>
>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that
> were
>
>> welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
>
>>
>
>>>> And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
>
>>
>
>>>>> What kind of wheels are those? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>
>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
> they
>
>> have at least. :>)
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>> I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
>
>>> And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>
>> Rally and
>
>>> Track use.
>
>>
>
>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>
>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
> center
>
>> spinner? Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the
> latter
>
>> being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever
>
>> encountered).
>
>>
>
>>> I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>
>> Blackwalls
>
>>> and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>
>> With a spare
>
>>> Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>
>>
>
>>>>> Sounds good!
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>>> That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
>
>> Sell or
>
>>> Trade. Photos Available.
>
>>
>
>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia? What kind are
>
>> they? Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some
> L-model
>
>> wheels?
>
>>
>
>>> I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>
>>
>
>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life. These
>
>> were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.
> I
>
>> have no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen
> any
>
>> other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very
>
>> small indeed. Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had
> single
>
>> slot wheels.
>
>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot
> wheels
>
>> to appear. :>)
>
>>
>
>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>
>> Campy
>
>>> Wheel education.
>
>>
>
>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
>
>> your aftermarket wheels. Simply put, I would never wish
> three-piece
>
>> Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.
> We
>
>> collectively know about multiple failures, which always led to
> rapid
>
>> deflation and a potential accident. Jack has often told of the car
>
>> that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit
>
>> speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe
> it
>
>> thrust the car into the scenery, but can't remember that aspect of
> the
>
>> story for sure. Jack?
>
>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying
> to
>
>> sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!)
> and
>
>> he had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had
> cracked
>
>> halfway around. The other three wheels had similar cracks when
> they
>
>> were taken apart and inspected.
>
>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
>
>> wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the
>
>> freeway in Los Angeles. What wasn't seen was that during the
> collapse,
>
>> the brake line was damaged. MD swapped his stock wheels w/race
> tires
>
>> on and ran the Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped
> on
>
>> the brakes at the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed
> onto
>
>> the exhaust and the rest was history.
>
>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
>
>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
> woefully
>
>> under-engineered, and today should be related either to a display
> case,
>
>> or a recycling bin IMHO....
>
>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here,
> as
>
>> the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,
>
>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
>
>>
>
>>>> Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
>
>> primer,
>
>>> I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
>
>> see the
>
>>> final results.
>
>>> Photo attached.
>
>>
>
>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>
>> either....
>
>> Cheers!
>
>> Mike
>
>>
>
>> ------------------------------
>
>>
>
>> Message: 6
>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:23:56 -0800
>
>> From: "Stephen" < [91]steve at snclocks.com>
>
>> To: < [92]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, < [93]gaino at earthlink.net>, <
> [94]guson at home.se>
>
>> Cc: < [95]detomaso at poca.com>
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>> Message-ID: <00d501d14e40$54625920$fd270b60$@snclocks.com>
>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>>
>
>> When I was going through my brakes I wanted to clean out the e-brake
>
>> housings and the cables. So, I cut off the cable ends, took
> everything
>
>> apart, took all the old plastic sheath off the housings, replaced
> with
>
> heavy
>
>> shrink-to-fit, cut the housings to be a better fit with less excess
>
> length,
>
>> lubed with graphite-impregnated grease, then put new ends on the
> cables to
>
>> match the length that they needed to be. Went together very nicely.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> It would have been pretty much as simple to change length to match a
> front
>
>> mounting for the originals, but would have likely required cutting a
> pair
>
> of
>
>> holes in the sheet metal - I hate extra holes.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> For what all that is worth.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Stephen Nelson
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> From: [96]MikeLDrew at aol.com[ [97]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:52 AM
>
>> To: [98]gaino at earthlink.net; [99]steve at snclocks.com;
> [100]guson at home.se
>
>> Cc: [101]detomaso at poca.com
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, [102]gaino at earthlink.net
>
>> < [103]mailto:gaino at earthlink.net> writes:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position to
> use
>
>> as Ebrake? He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired
> on
>
>> the rear mounts.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics. The
>
> calipers
>
>> are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear of the
>
> wheelwell.
>
>> If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no longer fit, plus
> if
>
>> longer ones were used, they would foul the driveshafts on their way
>
> forward.
>
>> The only possible way to make a system like that work would be to
>
> reposition
>
>> the cables so they entered the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind
> the
>
>> hub carriers, and there would be a fair bit of engineering involved.
> I
>
>> suppose it might be possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial
>
> exercise.
>
>>
>
>> Mike
>
>>
>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>
>> When I was going through my brakes I wanted to clean out the e-brake
>
>> housings and the cables. So, I cut off the cable ends, took
> everything
>
>> apart, took all the old plastic sheath off the housings, replaced
> with
>
>> heavy shrink-to-fit, cut the housings to be a better fit with less
>
>> excess length, lubed with graphite-impregnated grease, then put new
>
>> ends on the cables to match the length that they needed to be.
> Went
>
>> together very nicely.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> It would have been pretty much as simple to change length to match
> a
>
>> front mounting for the originals, but would have likely required
>
>> cutting a pair of holes in the sheet metal - I hate extra holes...
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> For what all that is worth.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Stephen Nelson
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> From: [104]MikeLDrew at aol.com[ [105]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:52 AM
>
>> To: [106]gaino at earthlink.net; [107]steve at snclocks.com;
> [108]guson at home.se
>
>> Cc: [109]detomaso at poca.com
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, [1]
> [110]gaino at earthlink.netwrites:
>
>>
>
>> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front
> position
>
>> to use
>
>> as Ebrake? He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey
>
>> wired on
>
>> the rear mounts.
>
>>
>
>>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics. The
>
>> calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear
> of
>
>> the wheelwell. If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no
>
>> longer fit, plus if longer ones were used, they would foul the
>
>> driveshafts on their way forward. The only possible way to make a
>
>> system like that work would be to reposition the cables so they
> entered
>
>> the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind the hub carriers, and
> there
>
>> would be a fair bit of engineering involved. I suppose it might be
>
>> possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial exercise.
>
>> Mike
>
>>
>
>> References
>
>>
>
>> 1. [111]mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
>
>>
>
>> ------------------------------
>
>>
>
>> Message: 7
>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 21:07:23 +0000
>
>> From: L GRAY < [112]tipo874a at msn.com>
>
>> To: " [113]MikeLDrew at aol.com" < [114]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>
>> Cc: " [115]guson at home.se" < [116]guson at home.se>, "
> [117]gaino at earthlink.net"
>
>> < [118]gaino at earthlink.net>, " [119]detomaso at poca.com" <
> [120]detomaso at poca.com>
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>> Message-ID:
>
>>
>
> <
> [121]BLUPR19MB0163500785FD9792060E49A29DCB0 at BLUPR19MB0163.namprd19.prod
> .outlook.
>
> com>
>
>>
>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Hate to disagree here Mike. The only uprights that were produced for
> a
>
> Pantera that were right or left handed were "some" of Hall Pantera's
>
> aluminum uprights, and they originally had mounts on front and rear.
> For
>
> some reason later on in production they were built without both sets of
>
> ears.......... never understood why .......as you said dumb idea !!
>
>> The Group 4 uprights were manufactured with both sets of ears.
> Some
>
> of you may not know that the GT 5 and the GT 5-S rear uprights were
> taken
>
> from the competition Group 4 spares inventory.
>
>>
>
>> Leslie A. Gray
>
>>
>
>>> On Jan 13, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <
> [122]detomaso at poca.com>
>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>
>>> In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, [123]guson at home.sewrites:
>
>>>
>
>>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front
> side
>
>>> of
>
>>> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard
> that
>
>>> not
>
>>> all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only
>
>>> newer
>
>>> cars that suffer from that.
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes
> only
>
>>> on one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a
>
>>> production standpoint).
>
>>> Mike
>
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>
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>>
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>>
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>> ------------------------------
>
>>
>
>> Message: 8
>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 16:20:31 -0500
>
>> From: Michael Shortt < [126]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>
>> To: 576103 < [127]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>
>> Cc: Dave Londry < [128]davel at emspace.com>, " [129]detomaso at poca.com"
>
>> < [130]detomaso at poca.com>
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
>
>> Message-ID:
>
>> <CAEWtxWrnqwjnrhKaKWzkxyc4SnmmwfoeAk1gHft7eVUsB=
> [131]Di5Q at mail.gmail.com>
>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>>
>
>> none of my wheels are assembled ( fasteners) 3 piece wheels, all are
>
> welded
>
>> or billet.
>
>>
>
>> I have driven on the wheels on street, on track and on the Tail of
> the
>
>> Dragon and have had zero issues in 12 years with 2 different designs,
>
>> not sure who mad ethe current wheels ( 10 spoke ), but they show no
> signs
>
>> of stress, damage either.
>
>>
>
>> It may be my luck, it could be others bad luck, it could be misuse
> and
>
>> driving style.
>
>>
>
>> My Dad owned 3 Audi 5000's, he never had any issues either, maybe
> because
>
>> he never pressed the gas instead of the brake.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Michael Shortt
>
>>
>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, < [132]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [133]davel at emspace.comwrites:
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.
>
>>> I think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
>
>>> unsprung weight for track use?
>
>>> dave
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> Interesting. This was apparently a reply to an original post by
>
>>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
> wind up
>
>>> in my spam folder?
>
>>>
>
>>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,
>
>>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
> below:
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:
>
>>>> Greetings,
>
>>>>
>
>>>> After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief inventory
>
>>> today,
>
>>>> I have 21 Campy wheels,
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>> 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
> Triple
>
>>>> Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
> for
>
>>> Hall
>
>>>> Pantera.
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall? He did
> make
>
>>> them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some
>
> markedly
>
>>> better than others. Can you share some images perhaps to help in
>
>>> identification?
>
>>>
>
>>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were
>
>>> welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
>
>>>
>
>>>>> And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> What kind of wheels are those? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>
>>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
> they
>
> have
>
>>> at least. :>)
>
>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>> I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
>
>>>> And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for Rally
> and
>
>>>> Track use.
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>
>>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
> center
>
>>> spinner? Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the
> latter
>
> being
>
>>> the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever encountered).
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>> I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>
>>> Blackwalls
>
>>>> and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos, With
> a
>
>>> spare
>
>>>> Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> Sounds good!
>
>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>>> That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
> Sell or
>
>>>> Trade. Photos Available.
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia? What kind are
> they?
>
>>> Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
> wheels?
>
>>>
>
>>>> I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life. These
> were
>
>>> an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype. I
> have no
>
>>> idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any other
> car
>
>>> wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very small
> indeed.
>
>>> Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had single slot
> wheels.
>
>>>
>
>>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot
> wheels to
>
>>> appear. :>)
>
>>>
>
>>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
> Campy
>
>>>> Wheel education.
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
> your
>
>>> aftermarket wheels. Simply put, I would never wish three-piece Hall
>
> wheels
>
>>> on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use. We
> collectively
>
> know
>
>>> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and a
>
>>> potential accident. Jack has often told of the car that was
> zorching
>
> down
>
>>> Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his
> Hall
>
>>> wheel dismantled himself; I believe it thrust the car into the
> scenery,
>
> but
>
>>> can't remember that aspect of the story for sure. Jack?
>
>>>
>
>>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to
>
> sell;
>
>>> a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and he
> had to
>
>>> tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
> halfway
>
>>> around. The other three wheels had similar cracks when they were
> taken
>
>>> apart and inspected.
>
>>>
>
>>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
>
> wheel;
>
>>> when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the freeway
> in
>
> Los
>
>>> Angeles. What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the brake
> line
>
> was
>
>>> damaged. MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran the
> Silver
>
>>> State a day or two later, but when he stepped on the brakes at the
> finish
>
>>> line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest
> was
>
>>> history.
>
>>>
>
>>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
>
>>>
>
>>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
> woefully
>
>>> under-engineered, and today should be related either to a display
> case,
>
> or
>
>>> a recycling bin IMHO....
>
>>>
>
>>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as
> the
>
>>> Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with, admittedly)
> are
>
>>> nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
>
>>>
>
>>>>> Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
>
>>> primer,
>
>>>> I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
> see the
>
>>>> final results.
>
>>>> Photo attached.
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>
>>> either....
>
>>>
>
>>> Cheers!
>
>>>
>
>>> Mike
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> --
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Michael L. Shortt
>
>> Savannah, Georgia
>
>> [134]www.michaelshortt.com
>
>> [135]michael at michaelshortt.com
>
>> 912-232-9390
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
>
>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
>
>> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
>
> notified
>
>> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
>
>> communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender
> that you
>
>> have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you
>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>
>> none of my wheels are assembled ( fasteners) 3 piece wheels, all
> are
>
>> welded or billet.
>
>> I have driven on the wheels on street, on track and on the Tail of
> the
>
>> Dragon and have had zero issues in 12 years with 2 different
> designs,
>
>> not sure who mad ethe current wheels ( 10 spoke ), but they show no
>
>> signs of stress, damage either.
>
>> It may be my luck, it could be others bad luck, it could be misuse
> and
>
>> driving style.
>
>> My Dad owned 3 Audi 5000's, he never had any issues either, maybe
>
>> because he never pressed the gas instead of the brake.
>
>> Michael Shortt
>
>>
>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, <[1] [136]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [2]
> [137]davel at emspace.comwrites:
>
>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.
>
>> I think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about
> the
>
>> unsprung weight for track use?
>
>> dave
>
>>>>> Interesting.A This was apparently a reply to an original post by
>
>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
>
>> wind up in my spam folder?
>
>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these
> days....anyway,
>
>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
>
>> below:
>
>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:
>
>>> A A A Greetings,
>
>>>
>
>>> A A A After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>
>> inventory today,
>
>>> A A A I have 21 Campy wheels,
>
>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>
>>
>
>>> A A A 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>
>> Triple
>
>>> A A A Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels
>
>> made for Hall
>
>>> A A A Pantera.
>
>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?A He did
>
>> make them for several other vendors, in several different styles,
>
>> some markedly better than others.A Can you share some images
>
>> perhaps to help in identification?
>
>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that
> were
>
>> welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
>
>>
>
>>>> A A A And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and
>
>> 245/40.
>
>>>>> What kind of wheels are those?A 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>
>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
>
>> they have at least. :>)
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>> A A A I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
>
>>> A A A And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>
>> Rally and
>
>>> A A A Track use.
>
>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>
>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
>
>> center spinner?A Those are as different as chalk and cheese
> (with
>
>> the latter being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've
>
>> ever encountered).
>
>>
>
>>> A A A I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>
>> Blackwalls
>
>>> A A A and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>
>> With a spare
>
>>> A A A Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>
>>>>> Sounds good!A
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>>> A A A That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose
>
>> of. Sell or
>
>>> A A A Trade. Photos Available.
>
>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?A What kind are
>
>> they?A Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some
>
>> L-model wheels?
>
>>
>
>>> A A A I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>
>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.A
>
>> These were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile
>
>> prototype.A I have no idea how many were put into production but
>
>> I've never seen any other car wearing them, so I would have to
>
>> imagine the number is very small indeed.A Even 1006, the
> earliest
>
>> known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels.
>
>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot
>
>> wheels to appear. :>)
>
>>
>
>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>
>> Campy
>
>>> A A A Wheel education.
>
>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
>
>> your aftermarket wheels.A Simply put, I would never wish
>
>> three-piece Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for
>
>> track use.A We collectively know about multiple failures, which
>
>> always led to rapid deflation and a potential accident.A Jack
> has
>
>> often told of the car that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in
> Las
>
>> Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his Hall wheel
> dismantled
>
>> himself; I believe it thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
>
>> remember that aspect of the story for sure.A Jack?
>
>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying
> to
>
>> sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!)
>
>> and he had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had
>
>> cracked halfway around.A The other three wheels had similar
> cracks
>
>> when they were taken apart and inspected.
>
>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his
> Hall
>
>> wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto
> the
>
>> freeway in Los Angeles.A What wasn't seen was that during the
>
>> collapse, the brake line was damaged.A MD swapped his stock
> wheels
>
>> w/race tires on and ran the Silver State a day or two later, but
>
>> when he stepped on the brakes at the finish line, the line
> ruptured,
>
>> fluid sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest was history.
>
>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
>
>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
>
>> woefully under-engineered, and today should be related either to
> a
>
>> display case, or a recycling bin IMHO....
>
>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here,
> as
>
>> the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,
>
>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
>
>>>> A A A Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the
>
>> green primer,
>
>>> A A A I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just
>
>> to see the
>
>>> A A A final results.
>
>>> A A A Photo attached.
>
>>>
>
>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>
>> either....
>
>> Cheers!
>
>> Mike
>
>>
>
>> --
>
>> Michael L. Shortt
>
>> Savannah, Georgia
>
>> [3] [138]www.michaelshortt.com
>
>> [4] [139]michael at michaelshortt.com
>
>> 912-232-9390
>
>> A
>
>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
>
>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
>
>> privileged.A If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
>
>> notified
>
>> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
>
>> communication is strictly prohibited.A Please reply to the sender
> that
>
>> you
>
>> have received this message in error, then delete it.A Thank you
>
>>
>
>> References
>
>>
>
>> 1. [140]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>
>> 2. [141]mailto:davel at emspace.com
>
>> 3. [142]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>
>> 4. [143]mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>
>>
>
>> ------------------------------
>
>>
>
>> Message: 9
>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:23:36 -0800
>
>> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" < [144]guson at home.se>
>
>> To: < [145]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>
>> Cc: < [146]gaino at earthlink.net>, < [147]detomaso at poca.com>
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>> Message-ID: < [148]F6F0EDD7F26440B0970C3CD2C70F6033 at mail2world.com>
>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>>
>
>> Mike,
>
>>
>
>> Bill originally wrote: Something that that blocks fluid in the brake
>
>> lines to hold calipers pressed against the rotors.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Aka line loc.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> OEM electric parking brakes work by having an electric motor actuate
> the
>
>> brake via a mechanical device, like a wire.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Tomas
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
>>
>
>> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso [ [149]detomaso at poca.com]
>
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 8:51:53 PM
>
>> To: [150]guson at home.se; [151]gaino at earthlink.net
>
>> Cc: [152]detomaso at poca.com
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, [153]guson at home.sewrites:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
> brake
>
>>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the
>
>>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>
>>
>
>>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about
> an
>
>> (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the
> OEMs
>
>> and is
>
>> in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective to satisfy
>
>> government regulations worldwide). Such systems are now available in
> the
>
>> aftermarket.
>
>>
>
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
> mechanical
>
>> 'arm' that
>
>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for
>
>> sure?
>
>>
>
>> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient
> to
>
>> hold
>
>> a car for any length of time; they are designed for very short-term
> use
>
>> only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than an inch)
>
>> crashing
>
>> into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow it and the fool
>
>> parked it
>
>> overnight on a slope in neutral with the line lock engaged. As the
>
>> brakes
>
>> cooled at night, they released and the car rolled through a lot
> crowded
>
>> with
>
>> collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a hedge
> and
>
>> down
>
>> into a ditch! Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been very
> bad
>
>> indeed.
>
>>
>
>> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
> much
>
>> more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would
> still
>
>> hold
>
>> pressure even as the fluid cooled. However, it would not serve as a
>
>> proper
>
>> emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal blew
> out
>
>> in a
>
>> caliper) whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages the
>
>> components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work.
>
>>
>
>> Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30
> years...park
>
>> wisely and hope for the best!)
>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>
>> Mike,
>
>>
>
>> Bill originally wrote: Something that that blocks fluid in the
> brake
>
>> lines to hold calipers pressed against the rotors.
>
>>
>
>> Aka line loc.
>
>>
>
>> OEM electric parking brakes work by having an electric motor
> actuate
>
>> the brake via a mechanical device, like a wire.
>
>>
>
>> Tomas
>
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
>> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso [ [154]detomaso at poca.com]
>
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 8:51:53 PM
>
>> To: [155]guson at home.se; [156]gaino at earthlink.net
>
>> Cc: [157]detomaso at poca.com
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, [158]guson at home.sewrites:
>
>>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
> brake
>
>>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the
>
>>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>
>>>
>
>>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about
> an
>
>> (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the
> OEMs
>
>> and is
>
>> in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective to
> satisfy
>
>> government regulations worldwide). Such systems are now available
> in
>
>> the
>
>> aftermarket.
>
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
> by
>
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
> mechanical
>
>> 'arm' that
>
>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that
> for
>
>> sure?
>
>> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient
> to
>
>> hold
>
>> a car for any length of time; they are designed for very short-term
> use
>
>> only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than an inch)
>
>> crashing
>
>> into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow it and the
> fool
>
>> parked it
>
>> overnight on a slope in neutral with the line lock engaged. As the
>
>> brakes
>
>> cooled at night, they released and the car rolled through a lot
> crowded
>
>> with
>
>> collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a hedge
> and
>
>> down
>
>> into a ditch! Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been
> very
>
>> bad
>
>> indeed.
>
>> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
> much
>
>> more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would
> still
>
>> hold
>
>> pressure even as the fluid cooled. However, it would not serve as a
>
>> proper
>
>> emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal blew
> out
>
>> in a
>
>> caliper) whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages
> the
>
>> components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work.
>
>> Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30
> years...park
>
>> wisely and hope for the best!)
>
>>
>
>> ------------------------------
>
>>
>
>> Message: 10
>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:30:22 -0800
>
>> From: Larry Stock < [159]larrys at panteraparts.com>
>
>> To: < [160]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, < [161]davel at emspace.com>, <
> [162]detomaso at poca.com>,
>
>> < [163]michael at michaelshortt.com>
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
>
>> Message-ID: <D2BC0041.15C59F% [164]larrys at panteraparts.com>
>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
>>
>
>> I am taking in a set of 8?s and 10?s X15? Campy?s with new tires next
> week
>
>> on a sale and trade I am doing. Since you guys are talking about
> these, I
>
>> am going to have a set available in the next week or so.
>
>> E-mail me for more info and details.
>
>> [165]Larrys at PanteraParts.com(1-800-DeTomaso) 800-338-6627
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> On 1/13/16, 12:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
>
>> < [166]detomaso-bounces at poca.comon behalf of [167]detomaso at poca.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>
>>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [168]davel at emspace.comwrites:
>
>>>
>
>>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.
>
>>> I think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about
> the
>
>>> unsprung weight for track use?
>
>>> dave
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> Interesting. This was apparently a reply to an original post by
>
>>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
> wind
>
>>> up in my spam folder?
>
>>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,
>
>>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
> below:
>
>>>
>
>>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:
>
>>>> Greetings,
>
>>>>
>
>>>> After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>
>>> inventory today,
>
>>>> I have 21 Campy wheels,
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>
>>>
>
>>>> 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>
>>> Triple
>
>>>> Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
>
>>> for Hall
>
>>>> Pantera.
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall? He did
>
>>> make them for several other vendors, in several different styles,
> some
>
>>> markedly better than others. Can you share some images perhaps to
> help
>
>>> in identification?
>
>>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that
> were
>
>>> welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
>
>>>
>
>>>>> And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> What kind of wheels are those? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>
>>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
> they
>
>>> have at least. :>)
>
>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>> I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
>
>>>> And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>
>>> Rally and
>
>>>> Track use.
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>
>>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
> center
>
>>> spinner? Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the
> latter
>
>>> being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever
>
>>> encountered).
>
>>>
>
>>>> I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>
>>> Blackwalls
>
>>>> and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>
>>> With a spare
>
>>>> Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> Sounds good!
>
>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>>> That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
>
>>> Sell or
>
>>>> Trade. Photos Available.
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia? What kind are
>
>>> they? Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some
> L-model
>
>>> wheels?
>
>>>
>
>>>> I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life. These
>
>>> were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.
> I
>
>>> have no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen
> any
>
>>> other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is
> very
>
>>> small indeed. Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had
> single
>
>>> slot wheels.
>
>>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot
> wheels
>
>>> to appear. :>)
>
>>>
>
>>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>
>>> Campy
>
>>>> Wheel education.
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
>
>>> your aftermarket wheels. Simply put, I would never wish
> three-piece
>
>>> Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.
> We
>
>>> collectively know about multiple failures, which always led to
> rapid
>
>>> deflation and a potential accident. Jack has often told of the car
>
>>> that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit
>
>>> speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe
> it
>
>>> thrust the car into the scenery, but can't remember that aspect of
> the
>
>>> story for sure. Jack?
>
>>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying
> to
>
>>> sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!)
> and
>
>>> he had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had
> cracked
>
>>> halfway around. The other three wheels had similar cracks when
> they
>
>>> were taken apart and inspected.
>
>>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
>
>>> wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the
>
>>> freeway in Los Angeles. What wasn't seen was that during the
> collapse,
>
>>> the brake line was damaged. MD swapped his stock wheels w/race
> tires
>
>>> on and ran the Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped
> on
>
>>> the brakes at the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed
> onto
>
>>> the exhaust and the rest was history.
>
>>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
>
>>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
> woefully
>
>>> under-engineered, and today should be related either to a display
> case,
>
>>> or a recycling bin IMHO....
>
>>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as
>
>>> the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,
>
>>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
>
>>>
>
>>>>> Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
>
>>> primer,
>
>>>> I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
>
>>> see the
>
>>>> final results.
>
>>>> Photo attached.
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>
>>> either....
>
>>> Cheers!
>
>>> Mike
>
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>>
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>> Message: 11
>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 22:53:34 +0100
>
>> From: Charles McCall < [171]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>
>> To: < [172]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, < [173]guson at home.se>, <
> [174]gaino at earthlink.net>,
>
>> < [175]detomaso at poca.com>
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>> Message-ID: <00fd01d14e4c$dac3a170$904ae450$@gmail.com>
>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>>
>
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
> mechanical
>
> 'arm'
>
>> that
>
>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that
> for
>
> sure?
>
>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
>
> second
>
>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
>
>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
> at
>
> any
>
>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> ------------------------------
>
>>
>
>> Message: 12
>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:02:11 -0800
>
>> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" < [176]guson at home.se>
>
>> To: < [177]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>
>> Cc: < [178]detomaso at poca.com>
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>> Message-ID: < [179]72F2415F8F0A41A0BC5857747006BB5D at mail2world.com>
>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>>
>
>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
> would
>
>> not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the
>
>> brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip
> the
>
>> switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are
> on/off.
>
>> Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's usually also
> a
>
>> requirement that it's mechanically actuated, hydraulics are not
> allowed.
>
>>
>
>> Tomas
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
>>
>
>> From: Charles McCall [ [180]charlesmccall at gmail.com]
>
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM
>
>> To:
>
>> [181]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [182]guson at home.se; [183]gaino at earthlink.net;
> [184]detomaso at poca.com
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>>
>
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
> mechanical
>
>> 'arm'
>
>> that
>
>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for
>
>> sure?
>
>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
>
>> second
>
>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
>
>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
> at
>
>> any
>
>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
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>> -------------- next part --------------
>
>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
> would
>
>> not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the
>
>> brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip
> the
>
>> switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are
>
>> on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's
>
>> usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated,
> hydraulics
>
>> are not allowed.
>
>>
>
>> Tomas
>
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
>> From: Charles McCall [ [187]charlesmccall at gmail.com]
>
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM
>
>> To:
>
>> [188]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [189]guson at home.se; [190]gaino at earthlink.net;
> [191]detomaso at poca.com
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
> by
>
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
> mechanical
>
>> 'arm'
>
>> that
>
>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that
> for
>
>> sure?
>
>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid -
> the
>
>> second
>
>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
>
>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating
> it at
>
>> any
>
>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
>
>> _______________________________________________
>
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>> Message: 13
>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 23:04:27 +0100
>
>> From: Charles McCall < [194]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>
>> To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" < [195]guson at home.se>
>
>> Cc: < [196]detomaso at poca.com>
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>> Message-ID: <010701d14e4e$5fc90440$1f5b0cc0$@gmail.com>
>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>>
>
>> Sorry, you are correct that it is a linear actuator. I answered
> quickly.
>
> In
>
>> any case, it is a mechanical actuator and not pressurizing the
> hydraulic
>
>> line.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> From: Tomas Gunnarsson [ [197]mailto:guson at home.se]
>
>> Sent: mi?rcoles, 13 de enero de 2016 23:02
>
>> To: [198]charlesmccall at gmail.com
>
>> Cc: [199]detomaso at poca.com
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
> would
>
> not
>
>> be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the
> brakes are
>
>> on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip the switch
> (or
>
>> whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are on/off. Where
>
> there's
>
>> legislation requiring a parking brake it's usually also a requirement
> that
>
>> it's mechanically actuated, hydraulics are not allowed.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Tomas
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> From: Charles McCall [ [200]charlesmccall at gmail.com]
>
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM
>
>> To: [201]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [202]guson at home.se;
> [203]gaino at earthlink.net; [204]detomaso at poca.com
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>>
>
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
> mechanical
>
> 'arm'
>
>>
>
>> that
>
>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for
> sure?
>
>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
>
> second
>
>>
>
>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
>
>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
> at
>
> any
>
>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
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>> -------------- next part --------------
>
>> Sorry, you are correct that it is a linear actuator. I answered
>
>> quickly. In any case, it is a mechanical actuator and not
> pressurizing
>
>> the hydraulic line.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> From: Tomas Gunnarsson [ [207]mailto:guson at home.se]
>
>> Sent: miercoles, 13 de enero de 2016 23:02
>
>> To: [208]charlesmccall at gmail.com
>
>> Cc: [209]detomaso at poca.com
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
> would
>
>> not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the
>
>> brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip
> the
>
>> switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are
>
>> on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's
>
>> usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated,
> hydraulics
>
>> are not allowed.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Tomas
>
>>
>
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> From: Charles McCall [ [210]charlesmccall at gmail.com]
>
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM
>
>> To:
>
>> [1] [211]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [212]guson at home.se;
> [213]gaino at earthlink.net; [214]detomaso at poca.co
>
>> m
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
> by
>
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
> mechanical
>
>> 'arm'
>
>> that
>
>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that
> for
>
>> sure?
>
>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid -
> the
>
>> second
>
>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
>
>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating
> it at
>
>> any
>
>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
>
>> _______________________________________________
>
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>> References
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>>
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>> 1.
>
> [217]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com;guson at home.se;gaino at earthlink.net;detomas
> o at poca.com
>
>> 2. [218]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>
>> 3. [219]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>
>>
>
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>>
>
>> Message: 14
>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 23:09:38 +0100
>
>> From: Thomas Tornblom < [220]thomas at hax.se>
>
>> To: [221]detomaso at poca.com
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>> Message-ID: < [222]5696CB22.5070902 at hax.se>
>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>>
>
>> I believe VW electric parking brake have an electric motor directly
> on
>
>> the caliper, no cables.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Den 2016-01-13 22:53, Charles McCall skrev:
>
>>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>
>>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
> mechanical
>
> 'arm'
>
>>> that
>
>>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that
> for
>
> sure?
>
>>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid -
> the
>
> second
>
>>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
>
>>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
> at
>
> any
>
>>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
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>> Message: 15
>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 22:15:16 +0000 (UTC)
>
>> From: marshall smith < [226]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>
>> To: < [227]davel at emspace.com>, < [228]detomaso at poca.com>,
>
>> < [229]michael at michaelshortt.com>, < [230]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
>
>> Message-ID:
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> [231]621399975.3851038.1452723316243.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
>>
>
>> FYI....
>
>>
>
>> I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and
> came
>
> with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that covered the
> lug
>
> nuts or you could delete the cone and go with exposed lug nuts.
>
>> I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I
> recall.
>
>>
>
>> Marshall
>
>> --------------------------------------------
>
>> On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso < [232]detomaso at poca.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
>
>> To: [233]davel at emspace.com, [234]detomaso at poca.com,
> [235]michael at michaelshortt.com
>
>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
>
>>
>
>> ???In a message dated
>
>> 1/10/16 21 39 38, [236]davel at emspace.com
>
>> writes:
>
>>
>
>> ? ???My 17" Hall wheels are a lot
>
>> heavier than the mags.
>
>> ? ???I think that's fine for street, but
>
>> aren't you concerned about the
>
>> ? ???unsprung weight for track use?
>
>> ? ???dave
>
>>
>
>> ???>>>Interesting.? This was
>
>> apparently a reply to an original post by
>
>> ???Michael Shortt, but that post never came
>
>> through to me nor did it wind
>
>> ???up in my spam folder?
>
>> ???I'm noting some irregularities with the
>
>> forum these days....anyway,
>
>> ???thankfully Dave included Michael's
>
>> original post, so see replies below:
>
>>
>
>> ? ???On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt
>
>> wrote:
>
>> ? ???>?
>
>> ???Greetings,
>
>> ? ???>
>
>> ? ???>? ???After
>
>> gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>
>> ? ???inventory today,
>
>> ? ???>? ???I have
>
>> 21 Campy wheels,
>
>>
>
>> ???>>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>
>>
>
>> ? ???>? ???5
>
>> Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>
>> ? ???Triple
>
>> ? ???>? ???Slots
>
>> ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
>
>> ? ???for Hall
>
>> ? ???>?
>
>> ???Pantera.
>
>>
>
>> ???>>>Uh, I don't think Coddington
>
>> every made wheels for Hall?? He did
>
>> ???make them for several other vendors, in
>
>> several different styles, some
>
>> ???markedly better than others.? Can you
>
>> share some images perhaps to help
>
>> ???in identification?
>
>> ???Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke
>
>> Si-looking wheels that were
>
>> ???welded together, and perhaps Coddington
>
>> was the source for those?
>
>>
>
>> ? ???>>?
>
>> ???And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with
>
>> 335/35 and 245/40.
>
>>
>
>> ???>>>What kind of wheels are
>
>> those?? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>
>> ???descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty
>
>> certain how many spokes they
>
>> ???have at least. :>)
>
>>
>
>> ? ???>
>
>> ? ???>? ???I am
>
>> keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
>
>> ? ???>? ???And
>
>> one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>
>> ? ???Rally and
>
>> ? ???>? ???Track
>
>> use.
>
>>
>
>> ???>>>Wait--are you talking about
>
>> Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>
>> ???wheels which are three-piece,
>
>> bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
>
>> ???spinner?? Those are as different as
>
>> chalk and cheese (with the latter
>
>> ???being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous
>
>> wheels I've ever
>
>> ???encountered).
>
>>
>
>> ? ???>? ???I will
>
>> be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>
>> ? ???Blackwalls
>
>> ? ???>? ???and a
>
>> set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>
>> ? ???With a spare
>
>> ? ???>? ???Front
>
>> and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>
>>
>
>> ???>>>Sounds good!
>
>>
>
>> ? ???>
>
>> ? ???>>?
>
>> ???That leaves 2 full sets of double slot
>
>> wheels to dispose of.
>
>> ? ???Sell or
>
>> ? ???>? ???Trade.
>
>> Photos Available.
>
>>
>
>> ???>>>Somebody just asked for a
>
>> set--Guy Dellavecchia?? What kind are
>
>> ???they?? Guy might want to trade his
>
>> '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
>
>> ???wheels?
>
>>
>
>> ? ???>? ???I'd
>
>> love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>
>>
>
>> ???>>>I have only ever seen two of
>
>> them (separately) in my life.? These
>
>> ???were an experimental wheel used on the
>
>> first pushmobile prototype.? I
>
>> ???have no idea how many were put into
>
>> production but I've never seen any
>
>> ???other car wearing them, so I would have to
>
>> imagine the number is very
>
>> ???small indeed.? Even 1006, the
>
>> earliest known Pantera extant, had single
>
>> ???slot wheels.
>
>> ???So don't hold your breath waiting for a
>
>> full set of three-slot wheels
>
>> ???to appear. :>)
>
>>
>
>> ? ???>I will sort them this week by
>
>> design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>
>> ? ???Campy
>
>> ? ???>? ???Wheel
>
>> education.
>
>>
>
>> ???>>>It's my pleasure, but at this
>
>> point I'm far more concerned about
>
>> ???your aftermarket wheels.? Simply put,
>
>> I would never wish three-piece
>
>> ???Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and
>
>> especially not for track use.? We
>
>> ???collectively know about multiple failures,
>
>> which always led to rapid
>
>> ???deflation and a potential accident.?
>
>> Jack has often told of the car
>
>> ???that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in
>
>> Las Vegas at triple digit
>
>> ???speeds one year when his Hall wheel
>
>> dismantled himself; I believe it
>
>> ???thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
>
>> remember that aspect of the
>
>> ???story for sure.? Jack?
>
>> ???Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
>
>> Concorso that he was trying to
>
>> ???sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while
>
>> the car was parked (!) and
>
>> ???he had to tow it back to Nevada as it
>
>> couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
>
>> ???halfway around.? The other three
>
>> wheels had similar cracks when they
>
>> ???were taken apart and inspected.
>
>> ???And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused
>
>> by the failure of his Hall
>
>> ???wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,
>
>> the car fell down onto the
>
>> ???freeway in Los Angeles.? What wasn't
>
>> seen was that during the collapse,
>
>> ???the brake line was damaged.? MD
>
>> swapped his stock wheels w/race tires
>
>> ???on and ran the Silver State a day or two
>
>> later, but when he stepped on
>
>> ???the brakes at the finish line, the line
>
>> ruptured, fluid sprayed onto
>
>> ???the exhaust and the rest was history.
>
>> ???And on and on and on...I'm sure there are
>
>> many others.
>
>> ???Those wheels were a very well-intentioned
>
>> design but they were woefully
>
>> ???under-engineered, and today should be
>
>> related either to a display case,
>
>> ???or a recycling bin IMHO....
>
>> ???So tell me exactly what kind of wheels
>
>> you're talking about here, as
>
>> ???the Coddington wheels (which I have
>
>> aesthetic problems with,
>
>> ???admittedly) are nothing like these Hall
>
>> wheels at all.
>
>>
>
>> ? ???>>?
>
>> ???Just let a local guy soda blast two of
>
>> them down to the green
>
>> ? ???primer,
>
>> ? ???>? ???I'll
>
>> probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
>
>> ? ???see the
>
>> ? ???>? ???final
>
>> results.
>
>> ? ???>? ???Photo
>
>> attached.
>
>> ? ???>
>
>>
>
>> ???>>>Since I didn't get your
>
>> original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>
>> ???either....
>
>> ???Cheers!
>
>> ???Mike
>
>>
>
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>
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>> Message: 16
>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 22:24:18 +0000 (UTC)
>
>> From: marshall smith < [239]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>
>> To: < [240]davel at emspace.com>, < [241]detomaso at poca.com>,
>
>> < [242]michael at michaelshortt.com>, < [243]MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
> marshall smith
>
>> < [244]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
>
>> Message-ID:
>
>> <
> [245]1003982879.3795306.1452723858144.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
>>
>
>> Additionally....Hall's 10 spoke wheels have the spokes slanted
> slightly
>
> inboard or towards the suspension. I believe Wilkinson made a 10 spoke
> wheel
>
> where the spokes slant outward. These are visually better looking
> giving a
>
> semi dished look and have slightly rounded spokes where the Hall's have
>
> sharp edged spokes.
>
>>
>
>> M
>
>> --------------------------------------------
>
>> On Wed, 1/13/16, marshall smith < [246]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
>
>> To: [247]davel at emspace.com, [248]detomaso at poca.com,
> [249]michael at michaelshortt.com,
>
> [250]MikeLDrew at aol.com
>
>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 2:15 PM
>
>>
>
>> FYI....
>
>>
>
>> I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded
>
>> centers and came with a center hub that had a dummy spinner
>
>> and cone that covered the lug nuts or you could delete the
>
>> cone and go with exposed lug nuts.
>
>> I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s
>
>> as I recall.
>
>>
>
>> Marshall
>
>> --------------------------------------------
>
>> On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso < [251]detomaso at poca.com>
>
>> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
>
>> To: [252]davel at emspace.com,
>
>> [253]detomaso at poca.com,
>
>> [254]michael at michaelshortt.com
>
>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
>
>>
>
>> ???In a message dated
>
>> 1/10/16 21 39 38, [255]davel at emspace.com
>
>> writes:
>
>>
>
>> ? ???My 17" Hall wheels are a lot
>
>> heavier than the mags.
>
>> ? ???I think that's fine for street, but
>
>> aren't you concerned about the
>
>> ? ???unsprung weight for track use?
>
>> ? ???dave
>
>>
>
>> ???>>>Interesting.? This was
>
>> apparently a reply to an original post by
>
>> ???Michael Shortt, but that post never came
>
>> through to me nor did it wind
>
>> ???up in my spam folder?
>
>> ???I'm noting some irregularities with the
>
>> forum these days....anyway,
>
>> ???thankfully Dave included Michael's
>
>> original post, so see replies below:
>
>>
>
>> ? ???On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt
>
>> wrote:
>
>> ? ???>?
>
>> ???Greetings,
>
>> ? ???>
>
>> ? ???>? ???After
>
>> gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>
>> ? ???inventory today,
>
>> ? ???>? ???I have
>
>> 21 Campy wheels,
>
>>
>
>> ???>>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>
>>
>
>> ? ???>? ???5
>
>> Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>
>> ? ???Triple
>
>> ? ???>? ???Slots
>
>> ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
>
>> ? ???for Hall
>
>> ? ???>?
>
>> ???Pantera.
>
>>
>
>> ???>>>Uh, I don't think Coddington
>
>> every made wheels for Hall?? He did
>
>> ???make them for several other vendors, in
>
>> several different styles, some
>
>> ???markedly better than others.? Can you
>
>> share some images perhaps to help
>
>> ???in identification?
>
>> ???Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke
>
>> Si-looking wheels that were
>
>> ???welded together, and perhaps Coddington
>
>> was the source for those?
>
>>
>
>> ? ???>>?
>
>> ???And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with
>
>> 335/35 and 245/40.
>
>>
>
>> ???>>>What kind of wheels are
>
>> those?? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>
>> ???descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty
>
>> certain how many spokes they
>
>> ???have at least. :>)
>
>>
>
>> ? ???>
>
>> ? ???>? ???I am
>
>> keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
>
>> ? ???>? ???And
>
>> one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>
>> ? ???Rally and
>
>> ? ???>? ???Track
>
>> use.
>
>>
>
>> ???>>>Wait--are you talking about
>
>> Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>
>> ???wheels which are three-piece,
>
>> bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
>
>> ???spinner?? Those are as different as
>
>> chalk and cheese (with the latter
>
>> ???being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous
>
>> wheels I've ever
>
>> ???encountered).
>
>>
>
>> ? ???>? ???I will
>
>> be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>
>> ? ???Blackwalls
>
>> ? ???>? ???and a
>
>> set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>
>> ? ???With a spare
>
>> ? ???>? ???Front
>
>> and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>
>>
>
>> ???>>>Sounds good!
>
>>
>
>> ? ???>
>
>> ? ???>>?
>
>> ???That leaves 2 full sets of double slot
>
>> wheels to dispose of.
>
>> ? ???Sell or
>
>> ? ???>? ???Trade.
>
>> Photos Available.
>
>>
>
>> ???>>>Somebody just asked for a
>
>> set--Guy Dellavecchia?? What kind are
>
>> ???they?? Guy might want to trade his
>
>> '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
>
>> ???wheels?
>
>>
>
>> ? ???>? ???I'd
>
>> love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>
>>
>
>> ???>>>I have only ever seen two of
>
>> them (separately) in my life.? These
>
>> ???were an experimental wheel used on the
>
>> first pushmobile prototype.? I
>
>> ???have no idea how many were put into
>
>> production but I've never seen any
>
>> ???other car wearing them, so I would have to
>
>> imagine the number is very
>
>> ???small indeed.? Even 1006, the
>
>> earliest known Pantera extant, had single
>
>> ???slot wheels.
>
>> ???So don't hold your breath waiting for a
>
>> full set of three-slot wheels
>
>> ???to appear. :>)
>
>>
>
>> ? ???>I will sort them this week by
>
>> design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>
>> ? ???Campy
>
>> ? ???>? ???Wheel
>
>> education.
>
>>
>
>> ???>>>It's my pleasure, but at this
>
>> point I'm far more concerned about
>
>> ???your aftermarket wheels.? Simply put,
>
>> I would never wish three-piece
>
>> ???Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and
>
>> especially not for track use.? We
>
>> ???collectively know about multiple failures,
>
>> which always led to rapid
>
>> ???deflation and a potential accident.?
>
>> Jack has often told of the car
>
>> ???that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in
>
>> Las Vegas at triple digit
>
>> ???speeds one year when his Hall wheel
>
>> dismantled himself; I believe it
>
>> ???thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
>
>> remember that aspect of the
>
>> ???story for sure.? Jack?
>
>> ???Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
>
>> Concorso that he was trying to
>
>> ???sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while
>
>> the car was parked (!) and
>
>> ???he had to tow it back to Nevada as it
>
>> couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
>
>> ???halfway around.? The other three
>
>> wheels had similar cracks when they
>
>> ???were taken apart and inspected.
>
>> ???And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused
>
>> by the failure of his Hall
>
>> ???wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,
>
>> the car fell down onto the
>
>> ???freeway in Los Angeles.? What wasn't
>
>> seen was that during the collapse,
>
>> ???the brake line was damaged.? MD
>
>> swapped his stock wheels w/race tires
>
>> ???on and ran the Silver State a day or two
>
>> later, but when he stepped on
>
>> ???the brakes at the finish line, the line
>
>> ruptured, fluid sprayed onto
>
>> ???the exhaust and the rest was history.
>
>> ???And on and on and on...I'm sure there are
>
>> many others.
>
>> ???Those wheels were a very well-intentioned
>
>> design but they were woefully
>
>> ???under-engineered, and today should be
>
>> related either to a display case,
>
>> ???or a recycling bin IMHO....
>
>> ???So tell me exactly what kind of wheels
>
>> you're talking about here, as
>
>> ???the Coddington wheels (which I have
>
>> aesthetic problems with,
>
>> ???admittedly) are nothing like these Hall
>
>> wheels at all.
>
>>
>
>> ? ???>>?
>
>> ???Just let a local guy soda blast two of
>
>> them down to the green
>
>> ? ???primer,
>
>> ? ???>? ???I'll
>
>> probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
>
>> ? ???see the
>
>> ? ???>? ???final
>
>> results.
>
>> ? ???>? ???Photo
>
>> attached.
>
>> ? ???>
>
>>
>
>> ???>>>Since I didn't get your
>
>> original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>
>> ???either....
>
>> ???Cheers!
>
>> ???Mike
>
>>
>
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>
>>
>
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>> Message: 17
>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:44:23 -0500
>
>> From: Michael Shortt < [260]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>
>> To: marshall smith < [261]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
> [262]detomaso at poca.com
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
>
>> Message-ID:
>
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>>
>
>> Marshall,
>
>>
>
>> I have those too, considered having them Powdercoated, but the center
>
>> treatment would look silly. I have both the spinners and the big
> black
>
>> lugs. The other set is the 5 spoke from Hall/Boyd.
>
>>
>
>> Michael Shortt
>
>> On Jan 13, 2016 5:15 PM, "marshall smith" <
> [264]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>
>> wrote:
>
>>
>
>>> FYI....
>
>>>
>
>>> I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and
> came
>
>>> with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that covered the
> lug
>
>>> nuts or you could delete the cone and go with exposed lug nuts.
>
>>> I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I
> recall.
>
>>>
>
>>> Marshall
>
>>> --------------------------------------------
>
>>> On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso < [265]detomaso at poca.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
>
>>> To: [266]davel at emspace.com, [267]detomaso at poca.com,
> [268]michael at michaelshortt.com
>
>>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
>
>>>
>
>>> In a message dated
>
>>> 1/10/16 21 39 38, [269]davel at emspace.com
>
>>> writes:
>
>>>
>
>>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot
>
>>> heavier than the mags.
>
>>> I think that's fine for street, but
>
>>> aren't you concerned about the
>
>>> unsprung weight for track use?
>
>>> dave
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> Interesting. This was
>
>>> apparently a reply to an original post by
>
>>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came
>
>>> through to me nor did it wind
>
>>> up in my spam folder?
>
>>> I'm noting some irregularities with the
>
>>> forum these days....anyway,
>
>>> thankfully Dave included Michael's
>
>>> original post, so see replies below:
>
>>>
>
>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt
>
>>> wrote:
>
>>> Greetings,
>
>>>>
>
>>>> After
>
>>> gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>
>>> inventory today,
>
>>>> I have
>
>>> 21 Campy wheels,
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>
>>>
>
>>>> 5
>
>>> Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>
>>> Triple
>
>>>> Slots
>
>>> ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
>
>>> for Hall
>
>>> Pantera.
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington
>
>>> every made wheels for Hall? He did
>
>>> make them for several other vendors, in
>
>>> several different styles, some
>
>>> markedly better than others. Can you
>
>>> share some images perhaps to help
>
>>> in identification?
>
>>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke
>
>>> Si-looking wheels that were
>
>>> welded together, and perhaps Coddington
>
>>> was the source for those?
>
>>>
>
>>> And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with
>
>>> 335/35 and 245/40.
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> What kind of wheels are
>
>>> those? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>
>>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty
>
>>> certain how many spokes they
>
>>> have at least. :>)
>
>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>> I am
>
>>> keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
>
>>>> And
>
>>> one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>
>>> Rally and
>
>>>> Track
>
>>> use.
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> Wait--are you talking about
>
>>> Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>
>>> wheels which are three-piece,
>
>>> bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
>
>>> spinner? Those are as different as
>
>>> chalk and cheese (with the latter
>
>>> being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous
>
>>> wheels I've ever
>
>>> encountered).
>
>>>
>
>>>> I will
>
>>> be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>
>>> Blackwalls
>
>>>> and a
>
>>> set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>
>>> With a spare
>
>>>> Front
>
>>> and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> Sounds good!
>
>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>> That leaves 2 full sets of double slot
>
>>> wheels to dispose of.
>
>>> Sell or
>
>>>> Trade.
>
>>> Photos Available.
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> Somebody just asked for a
>
>>> set--Guy Dellavecchia? What kind are
>
>>> they? Guy might want to trade his
>
>>> '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
>
>>> wheels?
>
>>>
>
>>>> I'd
>
>>> love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> I have only ever seen two of
>
>>> them (separately) in my life. These
>
>>> were an experimental wheel used on the
>
>>> first pushmobile prototype. I
>
>>> have no idea how many were put into
>
>>> production but I've never seen any
>
>>> other car wearing them, so I would have to
>
>>> imagine the number is very
>
>>> small indeed. Even 1006, the
>
>>> earliest known Pantera extant, had single
>
>>> slot wheels.
>
>>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a
>
>>> full set of three-slot wheels
>
>>> to appear. :>)
>
>>>
>
>>>> I will sort them this week by
>
>>> design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>
>>> Campy
>
>>>> Wheel
>
>>> education.
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this
>
>>> point I'm far more concerned about
>
>>> your aftermarket wheels. Simply put,
>
>>> I would never wish three-piece
>
>>> Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and
>
>>> especially not for track use. We
>
>>> collectively know about multiple failures,
>
>>> which always led to rapid
>
>>> deflation and a potential accident.
>
>>> Jack has often told of the car
>
>>> that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in
>
>>> Las Vegas at triple digit
>
>>> speeds one year when his Hall wheel
>
>>> dismantled himself; I believe it
>
>>> thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
>
>>> remember that aspect of the
>
>>> story for sure. Jack?
>
>>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
>
>>> Concorso that he was trying to
>
>>> sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while
>
>>> the car was parked (!) and
>
>>> he had to tow it back to Nevada as it
>
>>> couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
>
>>> halfway around. The other three
>
>>> wheels had similar cracks when they
>
>>> were taken apart and inspected.
>
>>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused
>
>>> by the failure of his Hall
>
>>> wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,
>
>>> the car fell down onto the
>
>>> freeway in Los Angeles. What wasn't
>
>>> seen was that during the collapse,
>
>>> the brake line was damaged. MD
>
>>> swapped his stock wheels w/race tires
>
>>> on and ran the Silver State a day or two
>
>>> later, but when he stepped on
>
>>> the brakes at the finish line, the line
>
>>> ruptured, fluid sprayed onto
>
>>> the exhaust and the rest was history.
>
>>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are
>
>>> many others.
>
>>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned
>
>>> design but they were woefully
>
>>> under-engineered, and today should be
>
>>> related either to a display case,
>
>>> or a recycling bin IMHO....
>
>>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels
>
>>> you're talking about here, as
>
>>> the Coddington wheels (which I have
>
>>> aesthetic problems with,
>
>>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall
>
>>> wheels at all.
>
>>>
>
>>> Just let a local guy soda blast two of
>
>>> them down to the green
>
>>> primer,
>
>>>> I'll
>
>>> probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
>
>>> see the
>
>>>> final
>
>>> results.
>
>>>> Photo
>
>>> attached.
>
>>>
>
>>>>>> Since I didn't get your
>
>>> original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>
>>> either....
>
>>> Cheers!
>
>>> Mike
>
>>>
>
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>
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>
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>
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>> Marshall,
>
>>
>
>> I have those too, considered having them Powdercoated, but the
> center
>
>> treatment would look silly. I have both the spinners and the big
> black
>
>> lugs. The other set is the 5 spoke from Hall/Boyd.
>
>>
>
>> Michael Shortt
>
>>
>
>> On Jan 13, 2016 5:15 PM, "marshall smith"
>
>> <[1] [272]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> FYI....
>
>> I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and
>
>> came with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that
>
>> covered the lug nuts or you could delete the cone and go with
>
>> exposed lug nuts.
>
>> I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I
>
>> recall.
>
>> Marshall
>
>> --------------------------------------------
>
>> On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[2]
> [273]detomaso at poca.com>
>
>> wrote:
>
>> A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
>
>> A To: [3] [274]davel at emspace.com, [4] [275]detomaso at poca.com,
>
>> [5] [276]michael at michaelshortt.com
>
>> A Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
>
>> A A A A In a message dated
>
>> A 1/10/16 21 39 38, [6] [277]davel at emspace.com
>
>> A writes:
>
>> A A A A A My 17" Hall wheels are a lot
>
>> A heavier than the mags.
>
>> A A A A A I think that's fine for street, but
>
>> A aren't you concerned about the
>
>> A A A A A unsprung weight for track use?
>
>> A A A A A dave
>
>> A A A A >>>Interesting.A This was
>
>> A apparently a reply to an original post by
>
>> A A A A Michael Shortt, but that post never came
>
>> A through to me nor did it wind
>
>> A A A A up in my spam folder?
>
>> A A A A I'm noting some irregularities with the
>
>> A forum these days....anyway,
>
>> A A A A thankfully Dave included Michael's
>
>> A original post, so see replies below:
>
>> A A A A A On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt
>
>> A wrote:
>
>> A A A A A >A
>
>> A A A A Greetings,
>
>> A A A A A >
>
>> A A A A A >A A A A After
>
>> A gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>
>> A A A A A inventory today,
>
>> A A A A A >A A A A I have
>
>> A 21 Campy wheels,
>
>> A A A A >>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>
>> A A A A A >A A A A 5
>
>> A Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>
>> A A A A A Triple
>
>> A A A A A >A A A A Slots
>
>> A ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
>
>> A A A A A for Hall
>
>> A A A A A >A
>
>> A A A A Pantera.
>
>> A A A A >>>Uh, I don't think Coddington
>
>> A every made wheels for Hall?A He did
>
>> A A A A make them for several other vendors, in
>
>> A several different styles, some
>
>> A A A A markedly better than others.A Can you
>
>> A share some images perhaps to help
>
>> A A A A in identification?
>
>> A A A A Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke
>
>> A Si-looking wheels that were
>
>> A A A A welded together, and perhaps Coddington
>
>> A was the source for those?
>
>> A A A A A >>A
>
>> A A A A And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with
>
>> A 335/35 and 245/40.
>
>> A A A A >>>What kind of wheels are
>
>> A those?A 10 spokes is a pretty vague
>
>> A A A A descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty
>
>> A certain how many spokes they
>
>> A A A A have at least. :>)
>
>> A A A A A >
>
>> A A A A A >A A A A I am
>
>> A keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
>
>> A A A A A >A A A A And
>
>> A one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>
>> A A A A A Rally and
>
>> A A A A A >A A A A Track
>
>> A use.
>
>> A A A A >>>Wait--are you talking about
>
>> A Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>
>> A A A A wheels which are three-piece,
>
>> A bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
>
>> A A A A spinner?A Those are as different as
>
>> A chalk and cheese (with the latter
>
>> A A A A being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous
>
>> A wheels I've ever
>
>> A A A A encountered).
>
>> A A A A A >A A A A I will
>
>> A be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>
>> A A A A A Blackwalls
>
>> A A A A A >A A A A and a
>
>> A set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>
>> A A A A A With a spare
>
>> A A A A A >A A A A Front
>
>> A and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>
>> A A A A >>>Sounds good!
>
>> A A A A A >
>
>> A A A A A >>A
>
>> A A A A That leaves 2 full sets of double slot
>
>> A wheels to dispose of.
>
>> A A A A A Sell or
>
>> A A A A A >A A A A Trade.
>
>> A Photos Available.
>
>> A A A A >>>Somebody just asked for a
>
>> A set--Guy Dellavecchia?A What kind are
>
>> A A A A they?A Guy might want to trade his
>
>> A '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
>
>> A A A A wheels?
>
>> A A A A A >A A A A I'd
>
>> A love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>
>> A A A A >>>I have only ever seen two of
>
>> A them (separately) in my life.A These
>
>> A A A A were an experimental wheel used on the
>
>> A first pushmobile prototype.A I
>
>> A A A A have no idea how many were put into
>
>> A production but I've never seen any
>
>> A A A A other car wearing them, so I would have to
>
>> A imagine the number is very
>
>> A A A A small indeed.A Even 1006, the
>
>> A earliest known Pantera extant, had single
>
>> A A A A slot wheels.
>
>> A A A A So don't hold your breath waiting for a
>
>> A full set of three-slot wheels
>
>> A A A A to appear. :>)
>
>> A A A A A >I will sort them this week by
>
>> A design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>
>> A A A A A Campy
>
>> A A A A A >A A A A Wheel
>
>> A education.
>
>> A A A A >>>It's my pleasure, but at this
>
>> A point I'm far more concerned about
>
>> A A A A your aftermarket wheels.A Simply put,
>
>> A I would never wish three-piece
>
>> A A A A Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and
>
>> A especially not for track use.A We
>
>> A A A A collectively know about multiple failures,
>
>> A which always led to rapid
>
>> A A A A deflation and a potential accident.A
>
>> A Jack has often told of the car
>
>> A A A A that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in
>
>> A Las Vegas at triple digit
>
>> A A A A speeds one year when his Hall wheel
>
>> A dismantled himself; I believe it
>
>> A A A A thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
>
>> A remember that aspect of the
>
>> A A A A story for sure.A Jack?
>
>> A A A A Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
>
>> A Concorso that he was trying to
>
>> A A A A sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while
>
>> A the car was parked (!) and
>
>> A A A A he had to tow it back to Nevada as it
>
>> A couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
>
>> A A A A halfway around.A The other three
>
>> A wheels had similar cracks when they
>
>> A A A A were taken apart and inspected.
>
>> A A A A And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused
>
>> A by the failure of his Hall
>
>> A A A A wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,
>
>> A the car fell down onto the
>
>> A A A A freeway in Los Angeles.A What wasn't
>
>> A seen was that during the collapse,
>
>> A A A A the brake line was damaged.A MD
>
>> A swapped his stock wheels w/race tires
>
>> A A A A on and ran the Silver State a day or two
>
>> A later, but when he stepped on
>
>> A A A A the brakes at the finish line, the line
>
>> A ruptured, fluid sprayed onto
>
>> A A A A the exhaust and the rest was history.
>
>> A A A A And on and on and on...I'm sure there are
>
>> A many others.
>
>> A A A A Those wheels were a very well-intentioned
>
>> A design but they were woefully
>
>> A A A A under-engineered, and today should be
>
>> A related either to a display case,
>
>> A A A A or a recycling bin IMHO....
>
>> A A A A So tell me exactly what kind of wheels
>
>> A you're talking about here, as
>
>> A A A A the Coddington wheels (which I have
>
>> A aesthetic problems with,
>
>> A A A A admittedly) are nothing like these Hall
>
>> A wheels at all.
>
>> A A A A A >>A
>
>> A A A A Just let a local guy soda blast two of
>
>> A them down to the green
>
>> A A A A A primer,
>
>> A A A A A >A A A A I'll
>
>> A probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
>
>> A A A A A see the
>
>> A A A A A >A A A A final
>
>> A results.
>
>> A A A A A >A A A A Photo
>
>> A attached.
>
>> A A A A A >
>
>> A A A A >>>Since I didn't get your
>
>> A original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>
>> A A A A either....
>
>> A A A A Cheers!
>
>> A A A A Mike
>
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>
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>
>> 5. [284]mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>
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>
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>
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>> Message: 18
>
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 03:51:32 +0000 (UTC)
>
>> From: Ken Green < [288]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>
>> To: Tomas Gunnarsson < [289]guson at home.se>, "
> [290]charlesmccall at gmail.com"
>
>> < [291]charlesmccall at gmail.com>, Scott Bell <
> [292]scott at saccrestorations.net>
>
>> Cc: " [293]detomaso at poca.com" < [294]detomaso at poca.com>
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
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>>
>
>> Scott at SACC ( [296]http://www.saccrestorations.net/) was selling an
> electric
>
> parking brake actuator kit?for?Panteras.? I'm not sure if it is
> currently
>
> available, so you'd have to ask Scott.
>
>> Ken
>
>> ?
>
>>
>
>> From: Tomas Gunnarsson < [297]guson at home.se>
>
>> To: [298]charlesmccall at gmail.com
>
>> Cc: [299]detomaso at poca.com
>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>>
>
>> ? It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
> would
>
>> ? not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the
>
>> ? brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip
> the
>
>> ? switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are
>
>> ? on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's
>
>> ? usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated,
> hydraulics
>
>> ? are not allowed.
>
>>
>
>> ? Tomas
>
>> ? <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
>> ? ? ? From: Charles McCall [ [300]charlesmccall at gmail.com]
>
>> ? Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM
>
>> ? To:
>
>> ? [301]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [302]guson at home.se;
> [303]gaino at earthlink.net; [304]detomaso at poca.com
>
>> ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>> ? I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
> by
>
>> ? pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
> mechanical
>
>> ? 'arm'
>
>> ? that
>
>> ? is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that
> for
>
>> ? sure?
>
>> ? ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid -
> the
>
>> ? second
>
>> ? case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
>
>> ? electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating
> it at
>
>> ? any
>
>> ? speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
>
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>> Scott at SACC ([1] [309]http://www.saccrestorations.net/) was
> selling an
>
>> electric parking brake actuator kit for Panteras. I'm not sure if
> it
>
>> is currently available, so you'd have to ask Scott.
>
>> Ken
>
>>
> __________________________________________________________________
>
>>
>
>> From: Tomas Gunnarsson < [310]guson at home.se>
>
>> To: [311]charlesmccall at gmail.com
>
>> Cc: [312]detomaso at poca.com
>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
>
>> would
>
>> not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time
> the
>
>> brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you
> flip
>
>> the
>
>> switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are
>
>> on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's
>
>> usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated,
>
>> hydraulics
>
>> are not allowed.
>
>> Tomas
>
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
>> From: Charles McCall [[2] [313]charlesmccall at gmail.com]
>
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM
>
>> To:
>
>>
>
>> [3] [314]MikeLDrew at aol.com;[4] [315]guson at home.se;[5]
> [316]gaino at earthlink.net;[6]detomas
>
>> [317]o at poca.com
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
> by
>
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
>
>> mechanical
>
>> 'arm'
>
>> that
>
>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that
> for
>
>> sure?
>
>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid -
> the
>
>> second
>
>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have
> some
>
>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating
> it
>
>> at
>
>> any
>
>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
>
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>
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>
>> 4. [325]mailto:guson at home.se
>
>> 5. [326]mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
>
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>>
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>> Message: 19
>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 20:19:16 -0800
>
>> From: "Scott Bell" < [332]scott at saccrestorations.net>
>
>> To: "'Ken Green'" < [333]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>
>> Cc: < [334]detomaso at poca.com>
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>> Message-ID: <013501d14e82$bc2e21f0$348a65d0$@saccrestorations.net>
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>>
>
>> Yes, the E-Stopp Electronic Parking Brake Kit is back and available
> to use
>
> with the stock Pantera rear Calipers or with any aftermarket parking
> brake
>
> caliper. I will add them back to our website later this week.
>
>>
>
>> We offer the kit as it is sold from E-Stopp. The do-it-yourselfer can
> fab
>
> the brackets needed to mount it in the Pantera. OR, we offer an
> installation
>
> kit that makes the unit a bolt on upgrade.
>
>>
>
>> Interestingly, before I had the E-Stopp installed in my Pantera, I
> almost
>
> never set my parking brake. Not sure why, maybe because I didn?t like
> how
>
> awkward the stock unit was to operate. For the stock unit to work it
> really
>
> needs to be set with a bit or force. Then, to release, I needed to use
> both
>
> hands. After installing the Electronic unit, I set the parking brake
> every
>
> time I park the car.
>
>>
>
>> In addition to the Electronic Actuator, SACC Restorations is coming
> out
>
> with a new Parking Brake Caliper Kit that will be a bolt on unit custom
>
> fitted specifically for the Pantera. This will give owners an
> opportunity to
>
> upgrade to a great looking, light weight and affordable parking brake
>
> solution. More to come on the new product in the next few weeks!
>
>>
>
>> Scott
>
>>
>
>> From: Ken Green [ [335]mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:52 PM
>
>> To: Tomas Gunnarsson; [336]charlesmccall at gmail.com; Scott Bell
>
>> Cc: [337]detomaso at poca.com
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>>
>
>> Scott at SACC ( [338]http://www.saccrestorations.net/) was selling an
> electric
>
> parking brake actuator kit for Panteras. I'm not sure if it is
> currently
>
> available, so you'd have to ask Scott.
>
>>
>
>> Ken
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> _____
>
>>
>
>> From: Tomas Gunnarsson < [339]guson at home.se>
>
>> To: [340]charlesmccall at gmail.com
>
>> Cc: [341]detomaso at poca.com
>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>>
>
>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
> would
>
>> not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the
>
>> brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip
> the
>
>> switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are
>
>> on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's
>
>> usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated,
> hydraulics
>
>> are not allowed.
>
>>
>
>> Tomas
>
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
>> From: Charles McCall [ [342]charlesmccall at gmail.com]
>
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM
>
>> To:
>
>> [343]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [344]guson at home.se; [345]gaino at earthlink.net;
> [346]detomaso at poca.com
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
>
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
> mechanical
>
>> 'arm'
>
>> that
>
>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for
>
>> sure?
>
>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid -
> the
>
>> second
>
>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
>
>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
> at
>
>> any
>
>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
>
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> use
>
> the links above.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>
>> Yes, the E-Stopp Electronic Parking Brake Kit is back and available
> to
>
>> use with the stock Pantera rear Calipers or with any aftermarket
>
>> parking brake caliper. I will add them back to our website later
> this
>
>> week.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> We offer the kit as it is sold from E-Stopp. The do-it-yourselfer
> can
>
>> fab the brackets needed to mount it in the Pantera. OR, we offer an
>
>> installation kit that makes the unit a bolt on upgrade.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Interestingly, before I had the E-Stopp installed in my Pantera, I
>
>> almost never set my parking brake. Not sure why, maybe because I
> didn't
>
>> like how awkward the stock unit was to operate. For the stock unit
> to
>
>> work it really needs to be set with a bit or force. Then, to
> release, I
>
>> needed to use both hands. After installing the Electronic unit, I
> set
>
>> the parking brake every time I park the car.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> In addition to the Electronic Actuator, SACC Restorations is coming
> out
>
>> with a new Parking Brake Caliper Kit that will be a bolt on unit
> custom
>
>> fitted specifically for the Pantera. This will give owners an
>
>> opportunity to upgrade to a great looking, light weight and
> affordable
>
>> parking brake solution. More to come on the new product in the next
> few
>
>> weeks!
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Scott
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> From: Ken Green [ [351]mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:52 PM
>
>> To: Tomas Gunnarsson; [352]charlesmccall at gmail.com; Scott Bell
>
>> Cc: [353]detomaso at poca.com
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Scott at SACC ([1] [354]http://www.saccrestorations.net/) was
> selling an
>
>> electric parking brake actuator kit for Panteras. I'm not sure if
> it
>
>> is currently available, so you'd have to ask Scott.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Ken
>
>>
>
>>
> _______________________________________________________________________
>
>>
>
>> From: Tomas Gunnarsson <[2] [355]guson at home.se>
>
>> To: [3] [356]charlesmccall at gmail.com
>
>> Cc: [4] [357]detomaso at poca.com
>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>>
>
>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
>
>> would
>
>> not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time
> the
>
>> brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you
> flip
>
>> the
>
>> switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are
>
>> on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's
>
>> usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated,
>
>> hydraulics
>
>> are not allowed.
>
>> Tomas
>
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
>> From: Charles McCall [[5] [358]charlesmccall at gmail.com]
>
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM
>
>> To:
>
>>
>
>> [6] [359]MikeLDrew at aol.com;[7] [360]guson at home.se;[8]
> [361]gaino at earthlink.net;[9]detomas
>
>> [362]o at poca.com
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
> by
>
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
>
>> mechanical
>
>> 'arm'
>
>> that
>
>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that
> for
>
>> sure?
>
>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid -
> the
>
>> second
>
>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have
> some
>
>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating
> it
>
>> at
>
>> any
>
>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
>
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>> References
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>>
>
>> 1. [367]http://www.saccrestorations.net/
>
>> 2. [368]mailto:guson at home.se
>
>> 3. [369]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
>
>> 4. [370]mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>
>> 5. [371]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
>
>> 6. [372]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>
>> 7. [373]mailto:guson at home.se
>
>> 8. [374]mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
>
>> 9. [375]mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>
>> 10. [376]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>
>> 11. [377]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>
>> 12. [378]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>
>> 13. [379]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>
>>
>
>> ------------------------------
>
>>
>
>> Message: 20
>
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 16:50:07 +0000 (UTC)
>
>> From: B Hower < [380]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
>
>> To: De Tomaso List < [381]detomaso at poca.com>
>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 91 Merc parts
>
>> Message-ID:
>
>> <
> [382]749672874.510825.1452790207343.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>>
>
>> Hi all,
>
>> I am scrapping a 91 Merc Marque. If anyone would happen to need any
> parts
>
> from same,,,,contact me off forum.
>
>> ?Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
> be !
>
> )
>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>
>> Hi all,
>
>> I am scrapping a 91 Merc Marque. If anyone would happen to need any
>
>> parts from same,,,,contact me off forum.
>
>>
>
>> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
> be
>
>> ! )
>
>>
>
>> ------------------------------
>
>>
>
>> Message: 21
>
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:26:12 -0500
>
>> From: Rob Dumoulin < [383]rob at dumoulins.net>
>
>> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List < [384]DeTomaso at poca.com>
>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
>
>> Message-ID:
>
>> <
> [385]CAEr4y_vxSUkwzguCsUO6EJwL3z5uDV7+GGdEiL6YXMPoB4H1jw at mail.gmail.com
>>
>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>>
>
>> Following Bud's lead,
>
>>
>
>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in
>
>> Northwest Florida. I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M
>
>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8)
> that I
>
>> have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
> profit
>
> he
>
>> makes from it. He is making it pretty to sell. Catch it quick
> before he
>
>> sinks money into it for a better deal.
>
>>
>
>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts. Contact me off
> list if
>
>> you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
>
>>
>
>> Rob
>
>> 904.476.8744
>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>
>> Following Bud's lead,
>
>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture
> in
>
>> Northwest Florida.A I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M
> rims, M
>
>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8)
> that
>
>> I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
>
>> profit he makes from it.A He is making it pretty to sell.A Catch
> it
>
>> quick before he sinks money into it for a better deal.
>
>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.A Contact me off
> list
>
>> if you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
>
>> Rob
>
>> 904.476.8744
>
>>
>
>> ------------------------------
>
>>
>
>> Message: 22
>
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:35:44 -0500
>
>> From: "Mirril M. McMullen" < [386]mirrilm at earthlink.net>
>
>> To: "'Rob Dumoulin'" < [387]rob at dumoulins.net>
>
>> Cc: "'Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List'" < [388]DeTomaso at poca.com>
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
>
>> Message-ID: <009b01d14ef1$ff563660$fe02a320$@earthlink.net>
>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
>>
>
>> Hmmm,
>
>>
>
>> Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
>
>>
>
>> /\/\///
>
>>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: DeTomaso [ [389]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
> Rob
>
> Dumoulin
>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM
>
>> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List
>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
>
>>
>
>> Following Bud's lead,
>
>>
>
>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in
>
> Northwest Florida. I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M
>
> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8) that
> I
>
> have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
> profit he
>
> makes from it. He is making it pretty to sell. Catch it quick before
> he
>
> sinks money into it for a better deal.
>
>>
>
>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts. Contact me off
> list if
>
> you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
>
>>
>
>> Rob
>
>> 904.476.8744
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> ------------------------------
>
>>
>
>> Message: 23
>
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:55:15 -0500
>
>> From: Rob Dumoulin < [390]rob at dumoulins.net>
>
>> To: Mirril McMullen < [391]mirrilm at earthlink.net>
>
>> Cc: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List < [392]DeTomaso at poca.com>
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
>
>> Message-ID:
>
>> <
> [393]CAEr4y_tsVfHd1sESiSVDnm-VZD7x5PkuiCm2OTmAZ1mJ7ZkmCw at mail.gmail.com
>>
>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>>
>
>> Not at all. Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few years
> ago.
>
>> Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff. Always got
>
>> synthetic oil changes regular.
>
>>
>
>> 240K miles and a transmission that will not go into reverse when
> engine is
>
>> hot was the kicker. That and the interior is showing age.
>
>>
>
>> Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still glides
> down
>
>> the road.
>
>>
>
>> Rob DuMoulin
>
>> 904.476.8744
>
>> [394]rob at dumoulins.net
>
>> [395]www.kbsi.co
>
>> [396]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>
>>
>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
>
> < [397]mirrilm at earthlink.net>
>
>> wrote:
>
>>
>
>>> Hmmm,
>
>>>
>
>>> Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
>
>>>
>
>>> /\/\///
>
>>>
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>
>>> From: DeTomaso [ [398]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
> Rob
>
>>> Dumoulin
>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM
>
>>> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List
>
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
>
>>>
>
>>> Following Bud's lead,
>
>>>
>
>>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in
>
>>> Northwest Florida. I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims,
> M
>
>>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8)
> that I
>
>>> have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
> profit
>
> he
>
>>> makes from it. He is making it pretty to sell. Catch it quick
> before he
>
>>> sinks money into it for a better deal.
>
>>>
>
>>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts. Contact me off
> list if
>
>>> you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
>
>>>
>
>>> Rob
>
>>> 904.476.8744
>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>
>> Not at all.A Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few
> years
>
>> ago. A
>
>> Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff.A Always
> got
>
>> synthetic oil changes regular.
>
>> 240K miles and a transmission that will not go into reverse when
> engine
>
>> is hot was the kicker.A That and the interior is showing age.A
>
>> Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still
> glides
>
>> down the road.
>
>>
>
>> Rob DuMoulin
>
>> 904.476.8744
>
>> [1] [399]rob at dumoulins.net
>
>> [2] [400]www.kbsi.co
>
>> [3] [401]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
>
>> <[4] [402]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> Hmmm,
>
>> Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
>
>> /\/\///
>
>>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: DeTomaso [ [403]mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
> Behalf Of Rob
>
>> Dumoulin
>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM
>
>> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List
>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
>
>> Following Bud's lead,
>
>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture
> in
>
>> Northwest Florida.A I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M
> rims, M
>
>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8)
> that
>
>> I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
>
>> profit he makes from it.A He is making it pretty to sell.A Catch it
>
>> quick before he sinks money into it for a better deal.
>
>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.A Contact me off
> list
>
>> if you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
>
>> Rob
>
>> 904.476.8744
>
>>
>
>> References
>
>>
>
>> 1. [404]mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
>
>> 2. [405]http://www.kbsi.co/
>
>> 3. [406]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>
>> 4. [407]mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
>
>> 5. [408]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>
>>
>
>> ------------------------------
>
>>
>
>> Message: 24
>
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:56:57 -0500
>
>> From: Rob Dumoulin < [409]rob at dumoulins.net>
>
>> To: Mirril McMullen < [410]mirrilm at earthlink.net>
>
>> Cc: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List < [411]DeTomaso at poca.com>
>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
>
>> Message-ID:
>
>> <CAEr4y_ubKH1kTNF61wqfS+TpW+q2OPZuP=uwOjq5Y=
> [412]FhZt-Apw at mail.gmail.com>
>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>>
>
>> Forgot to add....I have 6 cars. I do not need 6 cars.
>
>>
>
>> Rob DuMoulin
>
>> 904.476.8744
>
>> [413]rob at dumoulins.net
>
>> [414]www.kbsi.co
>
>> [415]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>
>>
>
>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Rob Dumoulin <
> [416]rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
>
>>>
>
>>> Not at all. Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few years
> ago.
>
>>> Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff. Always got
>
>>> synthetic oil changes regular.
>
>>>
>
>>> 240K miles and a transmission that will not go into reverse when
> engine
>
> is
>
>>> hot was the kicker. That and the interior is showing age.
>
>>>
>
>>> Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still
> glides
>
> down
>
>>> the road.
>
>>>
>
>>> Rob DuMoulin
>
>>> 904.476.8744
>
>>> [417]rob at dumoulins.net
>
>>> [418]www.kbsi.co
>
>>> [419]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>
>>>
>
>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen <
>
>>> [420]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>>
>
>>>> Hmmm,
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
>
>>>>
>
>>>> /\/\///
>
>>>>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>
>>>> From: DeTomaso [ [421]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
> Of Rob
>
>>>> Dumoulin
>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM
>
>>>> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List
>
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Following Bud's lead,
>
>>>>
>
>>>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture
> in
>
>>>> Northwest Florida. I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims,
> M
>
>>>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8)
> that I
>
>>>> have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
> profit
>
> he
>
>>>> makes from it. He is making it pretty to sell. Catch it quick
> before
>
> he
>
>>>> sinks money into it for a better deal.
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts. Contact me off
> list
>
> if
>
>>>> you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Rob
>
>>>> 904.476.8744
>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>
>> Forgot to add....I have 6 cars.A I do not need 6 cars.
>
>>
>
>> Rob DuMoulin
>
>> 904.476.8744
>
>> [1] [422]rob at dumoulins.net
>
>> [2] [423]www.kbsi.co
>
>> [3] [424]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Rob Dumoulin <[4]
> [425]rob at dumoulins.net>
>
>> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> Not at all.A Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few
> years
>
>> ago. A
>
>> Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff.A Always
> got
>
>> synthetic oil changes regular.
>
>> 240K miles and a transmission that will not go into reverse when
> engine
>
>> is hot was the kicker.A That and the interior is showing age.A
>
>> Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still
> glides
>
>> down the road.
>
>>
>
>> Rob DuMoulin
>
>> [5]904.476.8744
>
>> [6] [426]rob at dumoulins.net
>
>> [7] [427]www.kbsi.co
>
>> [8] [428]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
>
>> <[9] [429]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> Hmmm,
>
>> Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
>
>> /\/\///
>
>>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: DeTomaso [ [430]mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
> Behalf Of Rob
>
>> Dumoulin
>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM
>
>> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List
>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
>
>> Following Bud's lead,
>
>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture
> in
>
>> Northwest Florida.A I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M
> rims, M
>
>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8)
> that
>
>> I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
>
>> profit he makes from it.A He is making it pretty to sell.A Catch it
>
>> quick before he sinks money into it for a better deal.
>
>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.A Contact me off
> list
>
>> if you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
>
>> Rob
>
>> [11]904.476.8744
>
>>
>
>> References
>
>>
>
>> 1. [431]mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
>
>> 2. [432]http://www.kbsi.co/
>
>> 3. [433]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>
>> 4. [434]mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
>
>> 5. tel:904.476.8744
>
>> 6. [435]mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
>
>> 7. [436]http://www.kbsi.co/
>
>> 8. [437]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>
>> 9. [438]mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
>
>> 10. [439]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>
>> 11. tel:904.476.8744
>
>>
>
>> ------------------------------
>
>>
>
>> Message: 25
>
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 18:08:58 +0000 (UTC)
>
>> From: marshall smith < [440]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>
>> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' < [441]guson at home.se>, <
> [442]gaino at earthlink.net>,
>
>> Stephen < [443]steve at snclocks.com>
>
>> Cc: < [444]detomaso at poca.com>
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
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>> Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
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>> On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen < [446]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
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>> To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" < [447]guson at home.se>,
> [448]gaino at earthlink.net
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>> Cc: [449]detomaso at poca.com
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>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
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>>
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>> ???Whilst `inelegant',
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>> at least the stock system works well.? I installed
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>> ???Wildwoods on the front of the discs and
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>> kept the originals on the
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>> ???back.? I did have the originals
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>> coated black - heck, doesn't look that
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>> ???bad.
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>>
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>>
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>> ???Stephen Nelson
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>>
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>>
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>> ???-----Original Message-----
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>> ???From: DeTomaso [ [450]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
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>> On Behalf Of Tomas
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>> ???Gunnarsson
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>> ???Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
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>> ???To: [451]gaino at earthlink.net
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>> ???Cc: [452]detomaso at poca.com
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>> ???Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
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>>
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>>
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>> ???That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't
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>> work as an emergency brake
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>> ???and parking brake function is dubious. If
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>> you park your car with the
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>> ???brakes hot they may release when they cool
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>> off.
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>>
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>> ???Tomas
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>>
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>>
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>> ???<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
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>>
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>>
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>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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>> ???From: bill gaino [ [453]gaino at earthlink.net]
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>>
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>> ???Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
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>>
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>> ???To: [1] [454]detomaso at poca.com
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>>
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>> ???Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
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>>
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>>
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>> ???Is anybody using a solinoid based parking
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>> brake? Something that that
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>> ???blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold
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>> calipers pressed against the
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>> ???rotors. My customer does not want the
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>> extra set of E brake calipers..
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>>
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>> ???like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:21:13 -0500
> From: Dave <dave at damardirect.com>
> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Peter Brock-designed Shelby De Tomaso P70 to
> appear at Amelia Island
> Message-ID:
> <BF2E96FA630B704D89F8B22E4284D550048C3445E8 at tbfg-dc-vm028.bgdc3.local>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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> http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2016/01/15/peter-brock-designed-shelby-de-tomaso-p70-to-appear-at-amelia-island/?refer=news
>
> IndyDave (still kickin')
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> [1]http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2016/01/15/peter-brock-designed-s
> helby-de-tomaso-p70-to-appear-at-amelia-island/?refer=news
>
>
> IndyDave (still kickin')
>
> References
>
> 1. http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2016/01/15/peter-brock-designed-shelby-de-tomaso-p70-to-appear-at-amelia-island/?refer=news
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 07:19:12 -0800
> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
> To: <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Cc: <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> Message-ID: <6B6AB7A68C1546F59AD7812E9C5B9825 at mail2world.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> When I park on an incline the brakes are for obvious reasons applied
> when I pull the handle. It works that way too of course. :-)
>
> Tomas
>
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
> From: Will Kooiman [will.kooiman at gmail.com]
> Sent: 15/1/2016 1:57:24 PM
> To:
> b.hower3400 at yahoo.com;steve at snclocks.com;marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net;gu
> son at home.se;gaino at earthlink.net
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
> You're not supposed to apply the brake pedal when you set the e-brake.
>
> You just yank on the handle and you're set.
>
> That's why it's also an emergency brake. If your hydraulics go out, you
> can use your hand brake in an emergency.
>
> --
> Will
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/15/16 6:41 AM, "B Hower via DeTomaso" <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>
>> Question?? Aren't you supposed to apply brake pedal to apply pad
>> pressure while setting the E-brake, thus you are only taking slack out
>> of lever system? Am missing something here?
>>
>> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
>> ! )
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
>> To: 'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; 'Tomas
> Gunnarsson'
>> <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> Fortunately my wife has strong arms - that is the thing about our
>> e-brakes - the passenger needs to set and release them.
>> Stephen Nelson
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: marshall smith [mailto:[1]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09 AM
>> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <[2]guson at home.se>; [3]gaino at earthlink.net;
>> Stephen <[4]steve at snclocks.com>
>> Cc: [5]detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <[6]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <[7]guson at home.se>, [8]gaino at earthlink.net
>> Cc: [9]detomaso at poca.com
>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
>> Whilst `inelegant',
>> at least the stock system works well. I installed
>> Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals on the
>> back. I did have the originals
>> coated black - heck, doesn't look that
>> bad.
>> Stephen Nelson
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
>> On Behalf Of Tomas
>> Gunnarsson
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
>> To: [11]gaino at earthlink.net
>> Cc: [12]detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
>> brake
>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with
>> the
>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>> Tomas
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>
>>
>> From: bill gaino [[13]gaino at earthlink.net]
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
>> To: [1][14]detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that
>> that
>> blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against
>> the
>> rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake
>> calipers..
>> like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
>>
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>> 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 6. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
>> 7. mailto:guson at home.se
>> 8. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
>> 9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 10. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>> 11. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
>> 12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 13. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
>> 14. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 15.
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>> 16. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 18. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 19.
>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fre
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>> 21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 23. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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> When I park on an incline the brakes are for obvious reasons applied
> when I pull the handle. It works that way too of course. :-)
>
>
>
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
> From: Will Kooiman [will.kooiman at gmail.com]
> Sent: 15/1/2016 1:57:24 PM
> To:
> b.hower3400 at yahoo.com;steve at snclocks.com;marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net;g
> uson at home.se;gaino at earthlink.net
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> You're not supposed to apply the brake pedal when you set the e-brake.
> You just yank on the handle and you're set.
> That's why it's also an emergency brake. If your hydraulics go out, you
> can use your hand brake in an emergency.
> --
> Will
> On 1/15/16 6:41 AM, "B Hower via DeTomaso" <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>> Question?? Aren't you supposed to apply brake pedal to apply pad
>> pressure while setting the E-brake, thus you are only taking slack
> out
>> of lever system? Am missing something here?
>>
>> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
> be
>> ! )
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
>> To: 'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; 'Tomas
> Gunnarsson'
>> <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> Fortunately my wife has strong arms - that is the thing about our
>> e-brakes - the passenger needs to set and release them.
>> Stephen Nelson
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: marshall smith [mailto:[1]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09 AM
>> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <[2]guson at home.se>; [3]gaino at earthlink.net;
>> Stephen <[4]steve at snclocks.com>
>> Cc: [5]detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <[6]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <[7]guson at home.se>, [8]gaino at earthlink.net
>> Cc: [9]detomaso at poca.com
>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
>> Whilst `inelegant',
>> at least the stock system works well. I installed
>> Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals on the
>> back. I did have the originals
>> coated black - heck, doesn't look that
>> bad.
>> Stephen Nelson
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
>> On Behalf Of Tomas
>> Gunnarsson
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
>> To: [11]gaino at earthlink.net
>> Cc: [12]detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
>> brake
>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with
>> the
>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>> Tomas
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>
>>
>> From: bill gaino [[13]gaino at earthlink.net]
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
>> To: [1][14]detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that
>> that
>> blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against
>> the
>> rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake
>> calipers..
>> like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
>>
>>
> [2][15]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref
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>> 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
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>> 8. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
>> 9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 10. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>> 11. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
>> 12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 13. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
>> 14. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 15.
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>> 16. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 18. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 19.
>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fr
> ef
>> 20. http://www.slickpaint.com/
>> 21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 23. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:34:37 -0600
> From: "Timothy Meyer" <fordmachinist at gmail.com>
> To: "'Patrick HALS'" <patrickhals at gmail.com>, <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
> Message-ID: <003901d14faa$3ebf63e0$bc3e2ba0$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> We are working with a company that is attempting to make us forged crank and rods stroker packages
> that is internally balanced already.
> At this point nobody has an internal balanced package for a 9.200" block
>
> It may be a few months until they hit the market.
>
> Tim Meyer
> TMeyer Inc.
>
> www.tmeyerinc.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Patrick HALS
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 3:37 AM
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
>
> Hi all,
> What would be the best suggestion for a high power output, complete Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit , if such complete kit exists?
> When I mean " best suggestion " , that is the best value- reliability-
> power-torque- fun and money ratio for a quick street engine . Complicated ratio.... :>)) What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine ) Cleveland heads.
> Just curious....
> Thank you !
> Pat
> Candy 2862 - ADA 9628
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 07:34:41 -0800
> From: "Stephen" <steve at snclocks.com>
> To: "'Mikael'" <mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>, "'Tomas Gunnarsson'"
> <guson at home.se>, <gaino at earthlink.net>
> Cc: <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Perf parking brakes
> Message-ID: <006101d14faa$413d8340$c3b889c0$@snclocks.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Very nice - they didn't mention this option (or at least I don't remember
> it) when I was setting up my calipers...
>
> Stephen Nelson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mikael [mailto:mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk]
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 11:14 PM
> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net
> Cc: steve at snclocks.com; detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Pantera Perf parking brakes
>
> Sorry to be late to the party, and this may already have been addressed. I
> bought new brakes from Pantera Performance, including a parking brake only
> rear billet calipers. A lot lighter and prettier than keeping the old rear
> caliper IMO. Pictures from during installation, adjusting nuts go on each
> side of bracket
>
> Mvh/Regards
> Mikael
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Tomas Gunnarsson [mailto:guson at home.se]
> Sendt: 13. januar 2016 20:28
> Til: gaino at earthlink.net
> Cc: steve at snclocks.com; detomaso at poca.com
> Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side of the
> uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that not all
> uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only newer cars that
> suffer from that.
>
> Tomas
>
>
>
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
> From: bill gaino [gaino at earthlink.net]
> Sent: 13/1/2016 6:13:51 PM
> To: steve at snclocks.com;guson at home.se
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>
> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position to use as
> Ebrake? He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired on the rear
> mounts..Bill 1362
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen
> Sent: Jan 13, 2016 11:21 AM
> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' , gaino at earthlink.net
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>
>
> Whilst 'inelegant', at least the stock system works well. I
> installed Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals on the
> back. I did have the originals coated black - heck, doesn't look that bad.
>
>
>
> Stephen Nelson
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Tomas
> Gunnarsson
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
> To: gaino at earthlink.net
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>
>
> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
> brake and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the
> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>
>
>
> Tomas
>
>
>
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
>
>
> From: bill gaino [gaino at earthlink.net]
>
> Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
>
> To: detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>
>
> Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that that
> blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against the rotors.
> My customer does not want the extra set of E brake calipers..
>
> like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:41:06 -0600
> From: Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Decent 72 on BaT
> Message-ID: <56991312.3000804 at pobox.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> No rear roll bar?
>
> Paul
> #9270
>
> On 1/14/2016 10:47 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso wrote:
>> Looks like a very clean, well-maintained, stock car.
>>
>>
>>
>> Based on our recent discussions of what one should insure a car for, it
>> should go for $80K. We'll see.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>> To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 5:48 pm
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Decent 72 on BaT
>> Here's a '72 that just went up on BAT auctions. It looks like it's out
>> of Dallas, TX.
>> [1][1]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-3/
>> References
>> 1. [2]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-3/
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> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 10:49:27 -0500
> From: Tom Shinrock <tmshinro at aol.com>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Decent 72 on BaT
> Message-ID: <15245fa2542-69a0-ec68 at webprd-a19.mail.aol.com>
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> Saw the same thing with the missing rear roll bar but the next picture shows it installed.
>
>
> Tom
> 5176
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com>
> To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2016 9:41 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Decent 72 on BaT
>
> No rear roll bar?
>
> Paul
> #9270
>
> On 1/14/2016 10:47 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso wrote:
>> Looks like a very clean, well-maintained, stock car.
>>
>>
>>
>> Based on our recent discussions of what one should insure a car for, it
>> should go for $80K. We'll see.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>> To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 5:48 pm
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Decent 72 on BaT
>> Here's a '72 that just went up on BAT auctions. It looks like it's out
>> of Dallas, TX.
>> [1][1]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-3/
>> References
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> Saw the same thing with the missing rear roll bar but the next picture
> shows it installed.
>
> Tom
>
> 5176
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> To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2016 9:41 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Decent 72 on BaT
> No rear roll bar?
> Paul
> #9270
> On 1/14/2016 10:47 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso wrote:
>> Looks like a very clean, well-maintained, stock car.
>>
>>
>>
>> Based on our recent discussions of what one should insure a car for,
> it
>> should go for $80K. We'll see.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>> To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 5:48 pm
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Decent 72 on BaT
>> Here's a '72 that just went up on BAT auctions. It looks like it's
> out
>> of Dallas, TX.
>> [1][1]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-3/
>> References
>> 1. [2]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-3/
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> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 16:18:07 +0000
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, Patrick HALS
> <patrickhals at gmail.com>, "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
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>> From what I have heard and seen documented Dan Jones has perfected an ideal combination of parts for a 408 stroker. I believe that is all documented somewhere in a shopping list style format, so albeit not an "off one shelf kit", it is a complete list of parts required for assembly.
>
> I would expect the success (longevity) of any stroker kit to lie in the careful selection of the block, especially if that is a used block as opposed to one of the aftermarket offerings now available.
>
> Julian
>
> ________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 3:38 AM
> To: Patrick HALS; detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
>
> Best will vary depending on who you talk to.
>
> I was very happy with my 377?, offset ground stock crank stroker kit from
> Dennis Quella. I killed that engine due to a mistake I made - not related
> to the stroker kit.
>
> I am also very happy with the 408", 4? SCAT crank kit that I currently
> have.
>
> These days, it?s hard to go wrong with anything.
>
> On 1/15/16, 4:36 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Patrick HALS"
> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of patrickhals at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,A
>> What would be the best suggestion for a high power output, complete
>> Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit , if such complete kit exists?A
>> When I mean " best suggestion " , that is the best value- reliability-
>> power-torque- fun and money ratio for a quick street engine .
>> Complicated ratio.... :>))
>> What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine ) Cleveland
>> heads.
>> Just curious....
>> Thank you !
>> Pat
>> Candy 2862 - ADA 9628
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> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 11:38:34 -0600
> From: Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, Patrick HALS
> <patrickhals at gmail.com>, "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
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>> What would be the best suggestion for a high power output, complete Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit
>
> The best bang-for-the-buck kit for a street driven Cleveland is the 4"
> stroke Scat 9000 series cast crank, forged I-beam rod and forged
> piston kit. 9000 series crankshafts have a 351C crank snout (takes
> standard 351C balancer and timing set). Note that all of the
> reasonably priced forged crank kits, including Scat's, use a 351W
> snout crank with 351C main bearing diameters and require either a
> snout spacer or a timing set with integral spacer. Depending upon the
> desired compression ratio and your cylinder head compression ratio,
> the 393C Scat kit may be a better fit but custom or option pistons can
> usually be substituted for a small price increase. The cost to
> upgrade to a forged crank is only a few hundred dollars and is
> recommended for higher HP applications or racing applications which
> shock load the crank. Note that some of the low cost 4" stroker kits
> are designed for 9.5" blocks with 6.2" long rods and will have piston
> skirt to crank clearance issues. Turning down the OD of such a crank
> and re-balancing can be a very expensive proposition. For higher RPM
> applications, there are shorter strokes which can be used to keep the
> piston speed down as desired. The Scat 3.85" (393 cubic inch if
> 4.030" bore) and 4.0" (408 cubic inch if 4.030" bore) are both
> designed to require no expensive Mallory metal to balance to 28.2
> oz-in. Depending upon the rod and piston weight, they can often be
> internally balanced with only a small amount of Mallory metal. My own
> 403 (4.005" bore by 4" stroke) is internally balanced.
>
> Like all the reasonable cost stroker kits, Scat's raw forgings are
> Chinese sourced. Scat can claim "Made in the USA" in their catalogs
> because they do final machining on their forged crankshafts in
> California while the cast 9000 series cranks are machined in China.
> Mike Drew and I toured Scat's facility in California and had an
> interesting discussion with Tom Lieb (Scat's founder) on Scat's OEM
> level quality control process and the difficulty of running a
> manufacturing business in the United States (and California in
> particular).
>
> If you know what you are doing, it's no big deal to piece together a
> custom kit of crank, rods and pistons to fit your specific needs.
>
>> What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine ) Cleveland heads.
>
> In our testing of 8 different intakes (along with various spacers) on
> a 408C, the Holley Strip Dominator and Edelbrock Scorpion single
> planes and a ported Blue Thunder dual plane were very close in
> performance. Note that none of these fit under a stock engine screen.
> Our best results have come with a custom Holley carb from Bobby Oliver
> at Competition Carburetion.
>
>> We are working with a company that is attempting to make us forged crank and rods stroker packages that is internally balanced already. At this point nobody has an internal balanced package for a 9.200" block
>
> That will be a welcome addition Tim.
>
> Dan Jones
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:48:39 -0800
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, Patrick HALS
> <patrickhals at gmail.com>, "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
> Message-ID: <D757D915-502E-4859-9A73-1F9A39BA7CEA at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Dan,
>
> Excellent write up, but you forgot that of the intakes tested the blue thunder was among the best, and it DOES fit under the stock screen....
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 15, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> What would be the best suggestion for a high power output, complete Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit
>>
>> The best bang-for-the-buck kit for a street driven Cleveland is the 4"
>> stroke Scat 9000 series cast crank, forged I-beam rod and forged
>> piston kit. 9000 series crankshafts have a 351C crank snout (takes
>> standard 351C balancer and timing set). Note that all of the
>> reasonably priced forged crank kits, including Scat's, use a 351W
>> snout crank with 351C main bearing diameters and require either a
>> snout spacer or a timing set with integral spacer. Depending upon the
>> desired compression ratio and your cylinder head compression ratio,
>> the 393C Scat kit may be a better fit but custom or option pistons can
>> usually be substituted for a small price increase. The cost to
>> upgrade to a forged crank is only a few hundred dollars and is
>> recommended for higher HP applications or racing applications which
>> shock load the crank. Note that some of the low cost 4" stroker kits
>> are designed for 9.5" blocks with 6.2" long rods and will have piston
>> skirt to crank clearance issues. Turning down the OD of such a crank
>> and re-balancing can be a very expensive proposition. For higher RPM
>> applications, there are shorter strokes which can be used to keep the
>> piston speed down as desired. The Scat 3.85" (393 cubic inch if
>> 4.030" bore) and 4.0" (408 cubic inch if 4.030" bore) are both
>> designed to require no expensive Mallory metal to balance to 28.2
>> oz-in. Depending upon the rod and piston weight, they can often be
>> internally balanced with only a small amount of Mallory metal. My own
>> 403 (4.005" bore by 4" stroke) is internally balanced.
>>
>> Like all the reasonable cost stroker kits, Scat's raw forgings are
>> Chinese sourced. Scat can claim "Made in the USA" in their catalogs
>> because they do final machining on their forged crankshafts in
>> California while the cast 9000 series cranks are machined in China.
>> Mike Drew and I toured Scat's facility in California and had an
>> interesting discussion with Tom Lieb (Scat's founder) on Scat's OEM
>> level quality control process and the difficulty of running a
>> manufacturing business in the United States (and California in
>> particular).
>>
>> If you know what you are doing, it's no big deal to piece together a
>> custom kit of crank, rods and pistons to fit your specific needs.
>>
>>> What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine ) Cleveland heads.
>>
>> In our testing of 8 different intakes (along with various spacers) on
>> a 408C, the Holley Strip Dominator and Edelbrock Scorpion single
>> planes and a ported Blue Thunder dual plane were very close in
>> performance. Note that none of these fit under a stock engine screen.
>> Our best results have come with a custom Holley carb from Bobby Oliver
>> at Competition Carburetion.
>>
>>> We are working with a company that is attempting to make us forged crank and rods stroker packages that is internally balanced already. At this point nobody has an internal balanced package for a 9.200" block
>>
>> That will be a welcome addition Tim.
>>
>> Dan Jones
>>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 13:17:08 -0500
> From: Scott Martin <smmartin7 at netscape.net>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
> Message-ID: <15246815bf9-7eac-ed28 at webprd-m89.mail.aol.com>
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> Does anyone have experience with the Titus Cleveland http://www.titusperformanceproducts.com/, how do they compare to the other options?
>
> Scott Martin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> To: Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>; Patrick HALS <patrickhals at gmail.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2016 12:49 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
>
> Dan,
>
> Excellent write up, but you forgot that of the intakes tested the blue thunder was among the best, and it DOES fit under the stock screen....
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 15, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> What would be the best suggestion for a high power output, complete Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit
>>
>> The best bang-for-the-buck kit for a street driven Cleveland is the 4"
>> stroke Scat 9000 series cast crank, forged I-beam rod and forged
>> piston kit. 9000 series crankshafts have a 351C crank snout (takes
>> standard 351C balancer and timing set). Note that all of the
>> reasonably priced forged crank kits, including Scat's, use a 351W
>> snout crank with 351C main bearing diameters and require either a
>> snout spacer or a timing set with integral spacer. Depending upon the
>> desired compression ratio and your cylinder head compression ratio,
>> the 393C Scat kit may be a better fit but custom or option pistons can
>> usually be substituted for a small price increase. The cost to
>> upgrade to a forged crank is only a few hundred dollars and is
>> recommended for higher HP applications or racing applications which
>> shock load the crank. Note that some of the low cost 4" stroker kits
>> are designed for 9.5" blocks with 6.2" long rods and will have piston
>> skirt to crank clearance issues. Turning down the OD of such a crank
>> and re-balancing can be a very expensive proposition. For higher RPM
>> applications, there are shorter strokes which can be used to keep the
>> piston speed down as desired. The Scat 3.85" (393 cubic inch if
>> 4.030" bore) and 4.0" (408 cubic inch if 4.030" bore) are both
>> designed to require no expensive Mallory metal to balance to 28.2
>> oz-in. Depending upon the rod and piston weight, they can often be
>> internally balanced with only a small amount of Mallory metal. My own
>> 403 (4.005" bore by 4" stroke) is internally balanced.
>>
>> Like all the reasonable cost stroker kits, Scat's raw forgings are
>> Chinese sourced. Scat can claim "Made in the USA" in their catalogs
>> because they do final machining on their forged crankshafts in
>> California while the cast 9000 series cranks are machined in China.
>> Mike Drew and I toured Scat's facility in California and had an
>> interesting discussion with Tom Lieb (Scat's founder) on Scat's OEM
>> level quality control process and the difficulty of running a
>> manufacturing business in the United States (and California in
>> particular).
>>
>> If you know what you are doing, it's no big deal to piece together a
>> custom kit of crank, rods and pistons to fit your specific needs.
>>
>>> What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine ) Cleveland heads.
>>
>> In our testing of 8 different intakes (along with various spacers) on
>> a 408C, the Holley Strip Dominator and Edelbrock Scorpion single
>> planes and a ported Blue Thunder dual plane were very close in
>> performance. Note that none of these fit under a stock engine screen.
>> Our best results have come with a custom Holley carb from Bobby Oliver
>> at Competition Carburetion.
>>
>>> We are working with a company that is attempting to make us forged crank and rods stroker packages that is internally balanced already. At this point nobody has an internal balanced package for a 9.200" block
>>
>> That will be a welcome addition Tim.
>>
>> Dan Jones
>>
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> Does anyone have experience with the Titus
> Cleveland http://www.titusperformanceproducts.com/, how do they compare
> to the other options?
> Scott Martin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> To: Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>; Patrick HALS <patrickhals at gmail.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2016 12:49 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
> Dan,
> Excellent write up, but you forgot that of the intakes tested the blue
> thunder was among the best, and it DOES fit under the stock screen....
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 15, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Daniel C Jones
> <[1]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> What would be the best suggestion for a high power output, complete
> Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit
>>
>> The best bang-for-the-buck kit for a street driven Cleveland is the
> 4"
>> stroke Scat 9000 series cast crank, forged I-beam rod and forged
>> piston kit. 9000 series crankshafts have a 351C crank snout (takes
>> standard 351C balancer and timing set). Note that all of the
>> reasonably priced forged crank kits, including Scat's, use a 351W
>> snout crank with 351C main bearing diameters and require either a
>> snout spacer or a timing set with integral spacer. Depending upon the
>> desired compression ratio and your cylinder head compression ratio,
>> the 393C Scat kit may be a better fit but custom or option pistons
> can
>> usually be substituted for a small price increase. The cost to
>> upgrade to a forged crank is only a few hundred dollars and is
>> recommended for higher HP applications or racing applications which
>> shock load the crank. Note that some of the low cost 4" stroker kits
>> are designed for 9.5" blocks with 6.2" long rods and will have piston
>> skirt to crank clearance issues. Turning down the OD of such a crank
>> and re-balancing can be a very expensive proposition. For higher RPM
>> applications, there are shorter strokes which can be used to keep the
>> piston speed down as desired. The Scat 3.85" (393 cubic inch if
>> 4.030" bore) and 4.0" (408 cubic inch if 4.030" bore) are both
>> designed to require no expensive Mallory metal to balance to 28.2
>> oz-in. Depending upon the rod and piston weight, they can often be
>> internally balanced with only a small amount of Mallory metal. My own
>> 403 (4.005" bore by 4" stroke) is internally balanced.
>>
>> Like all the reasonable cost stroker kits, Scat's raw forgings are
>> Chinese sourced. Scat can claim "Made in the USA" in their catalogs
>> because they do final machining on their forged crankshafts in
>> California while the cast 9000 series cranks are machined in China.
>> Mike Drew and I toured Scat's facility in California and had an
>> interesting discussion with Tom Lieb (Scat's founder) on Scat's OEM
>> level quality control process and the difficulty of running a
>> manufacturing business in the United States (and California in
>> particular).
>>
>> If you know what you are doing, it's no big deal to piece together a
>> custom kit of crank, rods and pistons to fit your specific needs.
>>
>>> What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine )
> Cleveland heads.
>>
>> In our testing of 8 different intakes (along with various spacers) on
>> a 408C, the Holley Strip Dominator and Edelbrock Scorpion single
>> planes and a ported Blue Thunder dual plane were very close in
>> performance. Note that none of these fit under a stock engine screen.
>> Our best results have come with a custom Holley carb from Bobby
> Oliver
>> at Competition Carburetion.
>>
>>> We are working with a company that is attempting to make us forged
> crank and rods stroker packages that is internally balanced already. At
> this point nobody has an internal balanced package for a 9.200" block
>>
>> That will be a welcome addition Tim.
>>
>> Dan Jones
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 18:18:37 +0000
> From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> To: Dave <dave at damardirect.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
> <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Peter Brock-designed Shelby De Tomaso P70 to
> appear at Amelia Island
> Message-ID: <D2BE77A0.83534%thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Whaaat?? Really. I did not know this!. Interesting?
>
>
> "[snip]
> Entered in three races, the Sport 5000 arrived at just one, the 1966 Grand Prix of Mugello, where the car failed to complete the first lap.
> Still, the P70 development effort paid off for De Tomaso, which used a variant of the P70 chassis to underpin the Mangusta (Italian for Mongoose,
> a not-so-subtle jab at Shelby and his Cobra) and the later Pantera.
>
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> InSight Sequence Team Lead
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> Fax: (818) 393-3147
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> ??
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on behalf of Dave <dave at damardirect.com<mailto:dave at damardirect.com>>
> Date: Friday, January 15, 2016 6:21 AM
> To: "detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>" <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Peter Brock-designed Shelby De Tomaso P70 to appear at Amelia Island
>
> http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2016/01/15/peter-brock-designed-shelby-de-tomaso-p70-to-appear-at-amelia-island/?refer=news
>
> IndyDave (still kickin')
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> Whaaat?? Really. I did not know this!. Interesting...
> "[snip]
> Entered in three races, the Sport 5000 arrived at just one, the 1966
> Grand Prix of Mugello, where the car failed to complete the first lap.
> Still, the P70 development effort paid off for De Tomaso, which used a
> variant of the P70 chassis to underpin the Mangusta (Italian for
> Mongoose,
> a not-so-subtle jab at Shelby and his Cobra) and the later Pantera.
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
>
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>
> InSight Sequence Team Lead
>
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>
> Fax: (818) 393-3147
>
> [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Dave
> <[3]dave at damardirect.com>
> Date: Friday, January 15, 2016 6:21 AM
> To: "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Peter Brock-designed Shelby De Tomaso P70 to appear
> at Amelia Island
>
> [6]http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2016/01/15/peter-brock-designed-s
> helby-de-tomaso-p70-to-appear-at-amelia-island/?refer=news
> IndyDave (still kickin')
>
> References
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> 5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 6. http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2016/01/15/peter-brock-designed-shelby-de-tomaso-p70-to-appear-at-amelia-island/?refer=news
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