[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 18

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I have some phone pics of the Peter Brock car I took at SEMA. If someone wants them to look at or post, just email me and I will send them.  Dave Ferrato
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>   1. Re: parking brakes (gudmund fr?land)
>   2. Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Patrick HALS)
>   3. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Will Kooiman)
>   4. Re: parking brakes (B Hower)
>   5. Re: parking brakes (Will Kooiman)
>   6. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16 (cengles at cox.net)
>   7. Peter Brock-designed Shelby De Tomaso P70 to appear at	Amelia
>      Island (Dave)
>   8. Re: parking brakes (Tomas Gunnarsson)
>   9. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Timothy Meyer)
>  10. Re: Pantera Perf parking brakes (Stephen)
>  11. Re: Decent 72 on BaT (Paul Timko)
>  12. Re: Decent 72 on BaT (Tom Shinrock)
>  13. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Julian Kift)
>  14. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Daniel C Jones)
>  15. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Mike Drew)
>  16. Re: Best stroker kit for a Cleveland (Scott Martin)
>  17. Re: Peter Brock-designed Shelby De Tomaso P70 to appear at
>      Amelia Island (Himes, Terry (397C))
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 08:23:50 +0000 (UTC)
> From: gudmund fr?land <gudmundfroiland at yahoo.no>
> To: 'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, 	'Tomas
> 	Gunnarsson' <guson at home.se>,  <gaino at earthlink.net>, 	Stephen
> 	<steve at snclocks.com>
> Cc: <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Is there any here who have tried to install more normal E-Brake handle that have the wire going in on the handle instead of the rod. I am thinking that if the handle are replaced with fex BMW handle it would give a lot better leaver force instead of the arm down under the car are about same length as the handle inside car. 
> Den fre 2016-01-15 skrev Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>:
> 
> Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> Til: "'marshall smith'" <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <guson at home.se>, gaino at earthlink.net
> Kopi: detomaso at poca.com
> Dato: Fredag 15. januar 2016 05.36
> 
> Fortunately my wife has
> strong arms - that is the thing about our e-brakes - the
> passenger needs to set and release them.
> 
> Stephen Nelson
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marshall smith [mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
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> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09
> AM
> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net;
> Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
> Yikes....I could never trust
> my E brake on 'this' hill!
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
> wrote:
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>  Subject: Re:
> [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>  To:
> "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <guson at home.se>, gaino at earthlink.net
>  Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>  Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
> 
> ? ? Whilst
> `inelegant',
>  at least the stock system
> works well.? I installed
> ? ? Wildwoods on
> the front of the discs and? kept the originals on the
> ? ? back.? I did have the originals
>  coated black - heck, doesn't look that
> ? ? bad.
> 
> 
> 
> ? ? Stephen Nelson
> 
> 
> ? ? -----Original
> Message-----
> ? ? From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
>  On Behalf Of Tomas
> ? ?
> Gunnarsson
> ? ? Sent: Wednesday, January
> 13, 2016 8:03 AM
> ? ? To: gaino at earthlink.net
> ? ? Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> ? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
> 
> ? ?
> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't? work as
> an emergency brake
> ? ? and parking brake
> function is dubious. If? you park your car with the
> ? ? brakes hot they may release when they
> cool? off.
> 
> ? ? Tomas
> 
> 
> ? ?
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> 
> 
> 
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> 
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
> ? ?
> From: bill gaino [gaino at earthlink.net]
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> ? ? Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29
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> ? ? To: [1]detomaso at poca.com
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> ? ? Subject: [DeTomaso]
> parking brakes
> 
> 
> ? ? Is anybody using a solinoid based
> parking? brake? Something that that
> ? ?
> blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold? calipers pressed
> against the
> ? ? rotors. My customer does
> not want the? extra set of E brake calipers..
> 
> ? ? like IPSCO offers. Bill
> 1362
> 
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> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 10:36:38 +0100
> From: Patrick HALS <patrickhals at gmail.com>
> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
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> Hi all,
> What would be the best suggestion for a high power output, complete
> Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit , if such complete kit exists?
> When I mean " best suggestion " , that is the best value- reliability-
> power-torque- fun and money ratio for a quick street engine . Complicated
> ratio.... :>))
> What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine ) Cleveland
> heads.
> Just curious....
> Thank you !
> Pat
> Candy 2862 - ADA 9628
> -------------- next part --------------
>   Hi all,A
>   What would be the best suggestion for a high power output, complete
>   Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit , if such complete kit exists?A
>   When I mean " best suggestion " , that is the best value- reliability-
>   power-torque- fun and money ratio for a quick street engine .
>   Complicated ratio.... :>))
>   What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine ) Cleveland
>   heads.
>   Just curious....
>   Thank you !
>   Pat
>   Candy 2862 - ADA 9628
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 06:38:09 -0500
> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: Patrick HALS <patrickhals at gmail.com>,	"detomaso at poca.com"
> 	<detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
> Message-ID: <D2BE43AE.232A9%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="ISO-8859-1"
> 
> Best will vary depending on who you talk to.
> 
> I was very happy with my 377?, offset ground stock crank stroker kit from
> Dennis Quella.  I killed that engine due to a mistake I made - not related
> to the stroker kit.
> 
> I am also very happy with the 408", 4? SCAT crank kit that I currently
> have.
> 
> These days, it?s hard to go wrong with anything.
> 
> On 1/15/16, 4:36 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Patrick HALS"
> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of patrickhals at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>  Hi all,A
>>  What would be the best suggestion for a high power output, complete
>>  Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit , if such complete kit exists?A
>>  When I mean " best suggestion " , that is the best value- reliability-
>>  power-torque- fun and money ratio for a quick street engine .
>>  Complicated ratio.... :>))
>>  What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine ) Cleveland
>>  heads.
>>  Just curious....
>>  Thank you !
>>  Pat
>>  Candy 2862 - ADA 9628
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 11:41:05 +0000 (UTC)
> From: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
> To: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>, 	'marshall smith'
> 	<marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, 	'Tomas Gunnarsson' <guson at home.se>,
> 	"gaino at earthlink.net" <gaino at earthlink.net>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> Message-ID:
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> Question?? Aren't you supposed to apply brake pedal to apply pad pressure while setting the E-brake, thus you are only taking slack out of lever system? Am missing something here?
> ?Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )
> 
> 
>      From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
> To: 'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net 
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
> Fortunately my wife has strong arms - that is the thing about our e-brakes - the passenger needs to set and release them.
> 
> Stephen Nelson
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marshall smith [mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09 AM
> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net; Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
> Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
> 
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <guson at home.se>, gaino at earthlink.net
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
> 
> ? ? Whilst `inelegant',
> at least the stock system works well.? I installed
> ? ? Wildwoods on the front of the discs and? kept the originals on the
> ? ? back.? I did have the originals
> coated black - heck, doesn't look that
> ? ? bad.
> 
> 
> ? ? Stephen Nelson
> 
> 
> ? ? -----Original Message-----
> ? ? From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
> On Behalf Of Tomas
> ? ? Gunnarsson
> ? ? Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
> ? ? To: gaino at earthlink.net
> ? ? Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> ? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
> 
> ? ? That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't? work as an emergency brake
> ? ? and parking brake function is dubious. If? you park your car with the
> ? ? brakes hot they may release when they cool? off.
> 
> ? ? Tomas
> 
> 
> ? ? <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> 
> 
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
> ? ? From: bill gaino [gaino at earthlink.net]
> 
> ? ? Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
> 
> ? ? To: [1]detomaso at poca.com
> 
> ? ? Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
> 
> ? ? Is anybody using a solinoid based parking? brake? Something that that
> ? ? blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold? calipers pressed against the
> ? ? rotors. My customer does not want the? extra set of E brake calipers..
> 
> ? ? like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
> 
> 
> 
> ? ? [2]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&
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> 
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>   Question?? Aren't you supposed to apply brake pedal to apply pad
>   pressure while setting the E-brake, thus you are only taking slack out
>   of lever system? Am missing something here?
> 
>   Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
>   ! )
>     __________________________________________________________________
> 
>   From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
>   To: 'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; 'Tomas Gunnarsson'
>   <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net
>   Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>   Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:36 PM
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>   Fortunately my wife has strong arms - that is the thing about our
>   e-brakes - the passenger needs to set and release them.
>   Stephen Nelson
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: marshall smith [mailto:[1]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
>   Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09 AM
>   To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <[2]guson at home.se>; [3]gaino at earthlink.net;
>   Stephen <[4]steve at snclocks.com>
>   Cc: [5]detomaso at poca.com
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>   Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
>   --------------------------------------------
>   On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <[6]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>   To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <[7]guson at home.se>, [8]gaino at earthlink.net
>   Cc: [9]detomaso at poca.com
>   Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
>       Whilst `inelegant',
>   at least the stock system works well.  I installed
>       Wildwoods on the front of the discs and  kept the originals on the
>       back.  I did have the originals
>   coated black - heck, doesn't look that
>       bad.
>       Stephen Nelson
>       -----Original Message-----
>       From: DeTomaso [mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
>   On Behalf Of Tomas
>       Gunnarsson
>       Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
>       To: [11]gaino at earthlink.net
>       Cc: [12]detomaso at poca.com
>       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>       That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't  work as an emergency
>   brake
>       and parking brake function is dubious. If  you park your car with
>   the
>       brakes hot they may release when they cool  off.
>       Tomas
>       <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> 
> 
>       From: bill gaino [[13]gaino at earthlink.net]
>       Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
>       To: [1][14]detomaso at poca.com
>       Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>       Is anybody using a solinoid based parking  brake? Something that
>   that
>       blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold  calipers pressed against
>   the
>       rotors. My customer does not want the  extra set of E brake
>   calipers..
>       like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
> 
>   [2][15]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 07:59:24 -0500
> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>, Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>,
> 	'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,	'Tomas Gunnarsson'
> 	<guson at home.se>,	"gaino at earthlink.net" <gaino at earthlink.net>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> Message-ID: <D2BE5702.128F1E%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
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> You're not supposed to apply the brake pedal when you set the e-brake.
> 
> You just yank on the handle and you're set.
> 
> That's why it's also an emergency brake.  If your hydraulics go out, you
> can use your hand brake in an emergency.
> 
> --
> Will
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/15/16 6:41 AM, "B Hower via DeTomaso" <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> 
>>  Question?? Aren't you supposed to apply brake pedal to apply pad
>>  pressure while setting the E-brake, thus you are only taking slack out
>>  of lever system? Am missing something here?
>> 
>>  Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
>>  ! )
>>    __________________________________________________________________
>> 
>>  From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
>>  To: 'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; 'Tomas Gunnarsson'
>>  <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net
>>  Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:36 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>  Fortunately my wife has strong arms - that is the thing about our
>>  e-brakes - the passenger needs to set and release them.
>>  Stephen Nelson
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: marshall smith [mailto:[1]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
>>  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09 AM
>>  To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <[2]guson at home.se>; [3]gaino at earthlink.net;
>>  Stephen <[4]steve at snclocks.com>
>>  Cc: [5]detomaso at poca.com
>>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>  Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
>>  --------------------------------------------
>>  On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <[6]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
>>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>  To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <[7]guson at home.se>, [8]gaino at earthlink.net
>>  Cc: [9]detomaso at poca.com
>>  Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
>>      Whilst `inelegant',
>>  at least the stock system works well.  I installed
>>      Wildwoods on the front of the discs and  kept the originals on the
>>      back.  I did have the originals
>>  coated black - heck, doesn't look that
>>      bad.
>>      Stephen Nelson
>>      -----Original Message-----
>>      From: DeTomaso [mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
>>  On Behalf Of Tomas
>>      Gunnarsson
>>      Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
>>      To: [11]gaino at earthlink.net
>>      Cc: [12]detomaso at poca.com
>>      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>      That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't  work as an emergency
>>  brake
>>      and parking brake function is dubious. If  you park your car with
>>  the
>>      brakes hot they may release when they cool  off.
>>      Tomas
>>      <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>> 
>> 
>>      From: bill gaino [[13]gaino at earthlink.net]
>>      Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
>>      To: [1][14]detomaso at poca.com
>>      Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>      Is anybody using a solinoid based parking  brake? Something that
>>  that
>>      blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold  calipers pressed against
>>  the
>>      rotors. My customer does not want the  extra set of E brake
>>  calipers..
>>      like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
>> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 13:19:59 +0000 (GMT)
> From: cengles at cox.net
> To: jderyke at aol.com
> Cc: ace595 at hotmail.com, detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16
> Message-ID: <2d425f.13d91.15245714f4d.Webtop.0 at cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
> 
> 
> Dear Jack,
> 
>         You wrote:
> 
>                           " the stock al-asbestos-al heat shield. "
> 
>  $$$$$$$$   Ah-hah!   I thought that there was some asbestos in there 
> somewhere, but I could not be sure. Obviously, it is sandwiched between 
> the aluminum layers.  Thanks for bolstering my fuzzy memory.
> 
> 
>                         Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> To: 'tom ware' <ace595 at hotmail.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 5:26 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16
> 
> Dear Tom,
> 
> I am not an expert, but....
> 
> last year I removed the gas tank from my late '74 Pantera, which has had 
> the
> stainless steel treatment for the last twenty five years.  Behind the 
> bling
> is the base stock thick aluminum(?) which is not a single layer. There 
> are
> at least two layers and there *might* be a layer in between.  That is my
> guess and I will defer to an expert.
> 
> I think that the normal stainless steel shield installation is over the
> stock one.  Perhaps it is heavier, but it would tend to further shield 
> the
> gas tank from the headers' heat.
> 
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [ mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com')> 
> ] On Behalf Of tom ware
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:58 PM
> To: detomaso at poca.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16
> 
> Gas tank shield ?
> I have a new stainless steel shield that came with my project.
> Is it the norm to insulate it for heat.?
> Thanks
> Tom
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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>> Gunnarsson)  10. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (Larry Stock)  11. Re: parking 
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>> 13. Re: parking brakes (Charles McCall)  14. Re: parking brakes 
>> (Thomas Tornblom)  15. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (marshall smith)  16. Re: 
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>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:27:31 -0800 From: "Tomas 
>> Gunnarsson" < guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> > To: < 
>> gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> > 
>> Cc: < steve at snclocks.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> >, 
>> < detomaso at poca.com 
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: < 
>> 46D238640B764EE3A581C2544BE74A80 at mail2world.com 
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side of 
>> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that 
>> not all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only 
>> newer cars that suffer from that.
>> Tomas
>> 
>> 
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>       From: bill gaino [ gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ] 
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 6:13:51 PM To: steve at snclocks.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> ; 
>> guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> Cc: 
>> detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> 
>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> 
>> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position to 
>> use as Ebrake?  He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired 
>> on the rear mounts..Bill 1362
>> 
>> 
>>   -----Original Message-----    From: Stephen    Sent: Jan 13, 2016 
>> 11:21 AM    To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' , gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> 
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> 
>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> 
>> 
>>   Whilst 'inelegant', at least the stock system works well.  I 
>> installed Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals 
>> on the back.  I did have the originals coated black - heck, doesn't 
>> look that bad.
>> 
>> 
>>   Stephen Nelson
>> 
>> 
>>   -----Original Message-----    From: DeTomaso [ 
>> mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com')> 
>> ] On Behalf Of Tomas Gunnarsson    Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 
>> 8:03 AM    To: gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> 
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> 
>> 
>>   That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency 
>> brake and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with 
>> the brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>> 
>> 
>>   Tomas
>> 
>> 
>>   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>> 
>> 
>>                                 From: bill gaino [ 
>> gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ]
>>   Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
>>   To: detomaso at poca.com 
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>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >
>>   Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> 
>> 
>>   Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that 
>> that blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against 
>> the rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake 
>> calipers..
>>   like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> . -------------- next part --------------   Yes Bill, most likely. I 
>> have installed calipers on the front side of   the uprights, the holes 
>> were threaded and all. I think I heard that not   all uprights are 
>> drilled front and back but it may be that only newer   cars that 
>> suffer from that.
>>  Tomas   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->       From: bill gaino [ 
>> gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ] 
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 6:13:51 PM   To: steve at snclocks.com 
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>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes   Is it possible to mount the 
>> stock calipers in the front position to use   as Ebrake?  He already 
>> has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired on   the rear mounts..Bill 
>> 1362
>>    -----Original Message-----     From: Stephen     Sent: Jan 13, 
>> 2016 11:21 AM     To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' , gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> 
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> 
>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>>  Whilst `inelegant', at least the stock system works well.  I 
>> installed   Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals 
>> on the   back.  I did have the originals coated black - heck, doesn't 
>> look that   bad.
>> 
>>  Stephen Nelson
>> 
>>  -----Original Message-----   From: DeTomaso [ 
>> mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com')> 
>> ] On Behalf Of Tomas   Gunnarsson   Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 
>> 8:03 AM   To: gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> 
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> 
>>  That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency 
>> brake   and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car 
>> with the   brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>>  Tomas
>> 
>>  <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>> 
>>                                From: bill gaino [ gaino at earthlink.net 
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>>  Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
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>>  Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> 
>>  Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that that 
>> blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against the 
>> rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake calipers..
>>  like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
>> 
>> 
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>> Message: 2 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:51:53 -0500 From: 
>> MikeLDrew at aol.com 
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>> guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> , 
>> gaino at earthlink.net 
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: < 
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>> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
>> 
>>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency brake 
>>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the 
>>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>> 
>>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock.   He's asking about 
>>>>> an
>> (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the OEMs 
>> and
> is
>> in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective to satisfy 
>> government regulations worldwide).   Such systems are now available in 
>> the
> 
>> aftermarket.
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by 
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
> 'arm' that
>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake?   Does anybody know that for
> sure?
>> 
>> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient to
> hold
>> a car for any length of time; they are designed for very short-term 
>> use only.   Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than an inch)
> crashing
>> into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow it and the fool
> parked it
>> overnight on a slope in neutral with the line lock engaged.   As the
> brakes
>> cooled at night, they released and the car rolled through a lot 
>> crowded
> with
>> collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a hedge and
> down
>> into a ditch!   Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been very 
>> bad
> 
>> indeed.
>> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be 
>> much more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would 
>> still
> hold
>> pressure even as the fluid cooled.   However, it would not serve as a
> proper
>> emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal blew out 
>> in
> a
>> caliper) whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages the 
>> components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work.
>> Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30 years...park 
>> wisely and hope for the best!) -------------- next part -------------- 
>> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
>>    That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency 
>> brake     and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car 
>> with the     brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock.  He's asking about
>>  an (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the 
>> OEMs and is in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective 
>> to satisfy government regulations worldwide).  Such systems are now 
>> available in the aftermarket.   I confess I don't know if OEM electric 
>> parking brake systems work by   pressurizing the fluid in the line, or 
>> if they are a simple mechanical   'arm' that is pulling on a 
>> mechanical parking brake?  Does anybody know   that for sure?   You're 
>> correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient to   hold 
>> a car for any length of time; they are designed for very   short-term 
>> use only.  Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than   an 
>> inch) crashing into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow 
>> it and the fool parked it overnight on a slope in neutral with the 
>> line   lock engaged.  As the brakes cooled at night, they released and 
>> the car   rolled through a lot crowded with collector cars, brushed 
>> past the   Aston and crashed through a hedge and down into a ditch! 
>> Fortunately   it was unhurt, but it could have been very bad indeed. 
>> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be 
>> much   more effective because it has its own master cylinder that 
>> would still   hold pressure even as the fluid cooled.  However, it 
>> would not serve as   a proper emergency brake if there was a hydraulic 
>> failure (say, a seal   blew out in a caliper) whereas a cable-type 
>> system that mechanically   leverages the components of the caliper 
>> requires no hydraulics to work.   Mike (who has had no parking brake 
>> at all for the past 30 years...park   wisely and hope for the best!)
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 3 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:51:57 -0500 From: 
>> MikeLDrew at aol.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> To: 
>> gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> , 
>> steve at snclocks.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> , 
>> guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> Cc: 
>> detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: < 
>> 72fdc9.23690f23.43c804dd at aol.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('72fdc9.23690f23.43c804dd at aol.com')> 
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> 
>> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> 
>> writes:
>> 
>>> ?? Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position 
>>> to use ?? as Ebrake?? He already has the Wilwoods installed and 
>>> saftey wired on ?? the rear mounts.
>> 
>>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.   The
>> calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear of 
>> the wheelwell.   If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no 
>> longer
> fit, plus if
>> longer ones were used, they would foul the driveshafts on their way 
>> forward.   The only possible way to make a system like that work would 
>> be
> to
>> reposition the cables so they entered the wheelwells ahead of, instead 
>> of
> behind
>> the hub carriers, and there would be a fair bit of engineering 
>> involved.
> I
>> suppose it might be possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial
> exercise.
>> 
>> Mike -------------- next part --------------   In a message dated 
>> 1/13/16 9 15 10, gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> 
>> writes:
>>       Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front 
>> position     to use        as Ebrake?  He already has the Wilwoods 
>> installed and saftey     wired on        the rear mounts.
>>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.  The
>>  calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear 
>> of   the wheelwell.  If the calipers are repositioned the cables will 
>> no   longer fit, plus if longer ones were used, they would foul the 
>> driveshafts on their way forward.  The only possible way to make a 
>> system like that work would be to reposition the cables so they 
>> entered   the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind the hub carriers, 
>> and there   would be a fair bit of engineering involved.  I suppose it 
>> might be   possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial exercise. 
>> Mike
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 4 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:52:03 -0500 From: 
>> MikeLDrew at aol.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> To: 
>> guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> , 
>> gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> 
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: < 
>> 72fddd.5edc2feb.43c804e3 at aol.com 
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>> 
>> In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
>> 
>>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side of 
>>> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that 
>>> not all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only 
>>> newer cars that suffer from that.
>> 
>>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes only 
>>>>> on
>> one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a 
>> production
> 
>> standpoint).
>> Mike -------------- next part --------------   In a message dated 
>> 1/13/16 11 28 28, guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
>>    Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side 
>> of     the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard 
>> that     not    all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be 
>> that only     newer  cars that suffer from that.
>>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes only
>>  on one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a 
>> production standpoint).   Mike
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 5 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 15:19:19 -0500 From: 
>> MikeLDrew at aol.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> To: 
>> davel at emspace.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> , 
>> detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> , 
>> michael at michaelshortt.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('michael at michaelshortt.com')> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID: < 
>> 73161a.56810af3.43c80b47 at aol.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('73161a.56810af3.43c80b47 at aol.com')> 
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> 
>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> 
>> writes:
>> 
>>> 
>>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. I think that's 
>>> fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the unsprung weight 
>>> for track use? dave
>>> 
>>>>> Interesting.   This was apparently a reply to an original post by
>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it wind 
>> up
> in my
>> spam folder?
>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway, 
>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies 
>> below:
>> 
>>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: ? ?? Greetings,
>>>> ? ?? After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief 
>>>> inventory
>>> today,
>>>> ? ?? I have 21 Campy wheels,
>>> 
>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> ? ?? 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero 
>>>> Triple ? ?? Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington 
>>>> Wheels made for
>>> Hall
>>>> ? ?? Pantera.
>> 
>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?   He did 
>>>>> make
>> them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some 
>> markedly
> 
>> better than others.   Can you share some images perhaps to help in 
>> identification?
>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were
> welded
>> together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
>>>>> ? ?? And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
>>> 
>>>>> What kind of wheels are those?   10 spokes is a pretty vague
>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes they
> have at least. :>
>> )
>>>> 
>>>> ? ?? I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use, ? ?? And 
>>>> one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for Rally
> and
>>>> ? ?? Track use.
>>> 
>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
> wheels
>> which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake center 
>> spinner?
> 
>> Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the latter being the 
>> only
> 
>> genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever encountered).
>> 
>>>> ? ?? I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>>> Blackwalls
>>>> ? ?? and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos, With 
>>>> a
>>> spare
>>>> ? ?? Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>> 
>>>>> Sounds good!
>>>> 
>>>>> ? ?? That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of. 
>>>>> Sell
>>> or
>>>> ? ?? Trade. Photos Available.
>>> 
>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?   What kind are 
>>>>> they?
> 
>> Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model 
>> wheels?
>>>> ? ?? I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>> 
>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.   These 
>>>>> were
>> an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.   I have 
>> no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any 
>> other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very 
>> small indeed.
> Even
>> 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels.
>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels 
>> to appear. :>)
>>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the Campy 
>>>> ? ?? Wheel education.
>>> 
>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about 
>>>>> your
>> aftermarket wheels.   Simply put, I would never wish three-piece Hall
> wheels
>> on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.   We collectively
> know
>> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and a
> potential
>> accident.   Jack has often told of the car that was zorching down Mt. 
>> Ch arleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his Hall 
>> wheel dismantled himself; I believe it thrust the car into the 
>> scenery, but
> can't
>> remember that aspect of the story for sure.   Jack?
>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to 
>> sell;
> 
>> a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and he had 
>> to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked 
>> halfway
> around.
>> The other three wheels had similar cracks when they were taken apart 
>> and inspected.
>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall 
>> wheel;
> 
>> when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the freeway in 
>> Los
> 
>> Angeles.   What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the brake 
>> line
> was
>> damaged.   MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran the 
>> Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped on the brakes at 
>> the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the exhaust and 
>> the rest was history.
>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were 
>> woefully under-engineered, and today should be related either to a 
>> display case, or
> a
>> recycling bin IMHO....
>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as 
>> the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with, 
>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
>>>>> ? ?? Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
>>> primer,
>>>> ? ?? I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to 
>>>> see
>>> the
>>>> ? ?? final results. ? ?? Photo attached.
>>> 
>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>> either....
>> Cheers!
>> Mike -------------- next part --------------   In a message dated 
>> 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> 
>> writes:
>>    My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.     I think 
>> that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the 
>> unsprung weight for track use?     dave
>>>>> Interesting.  This was apparently a reply to an original post by
>>  Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it 
>> wind   up in my spam folder?   I'm noting some irregularities with the 
>> forum these days....anyway,   thankfully Dave included Michael's 
>> original post, so see replies below:
>>>    On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:    Greetings,
>>>   After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>>    inventory today,
>>>   I have 21 Campy wheels,
>> 
>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>> 
>>>   5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>>    Triple
>>>   Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
>>    for Hall
>>>   Pantera.
>> 
>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?  He did
>>  make them for several other vendors, in several different styles, 
>> some   markedly better than others.  Can you share some images perhaps 
>> to help   in identification?   Hall did have somebody cast up 
>> ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were   welded together, and perhaps 
>> Coddington was the source for those?
>>>>   And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
>> 
>>>>> What kind of wheels are those?  10 spokes is a pretty vague
>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes they 
>> have at least. :>)
>>> 
>>>   I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,    And one 
>>> set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>>    Rally and
>>>   Track use.
>> 
>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>>  wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake 
>> center   spinner?  Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with 
>> the latter   being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've 
>> ever   encountered).
>>>   I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>>    Blackwalls
>>>   and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>>    With a spare
>>>   Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>> 
>>>>> Sounds good!
>> 
>>> 
>>>>   That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
>>    Sell or
>>>   Trade. Photos Available.
>> 
>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?  What kind are
>>  they?  Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some 
>> L-model   wheels?
>>>   I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>> 
>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.  These
>>  were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype. 
>> I   have no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen 
>> any other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is 
>> very   small indeed.  Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, 
>> had single   slot wheels.   So don't hold your breath waiting for a 
>> full set of three-slot wheels   to appear. :>)
>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>>    Campy
>>>   Wheel education.
>> 
>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
>>  your aftermarket wheels.  Simply put, I would never wish three-piece 
>> Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.  We 
>> collectively know about multiple failures, which always led to rapid 
>> deflation and a potential accident.  Jack has often told of the car 
>> that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit 
>> speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe it 
>> thrust the car into the scenery, but can't remember that aspect of the 
>> story for sure.  Jack?   Larry Stock had a car on the grass at 
>> Concorso that he was trying to   sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart 
>> while the car was parked (!) and   he had to tow it back to Nevada as 
>> it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked   halfway around.  The other 
>> three wheels had similar cracks when they   were taken apart and 
>> inspected.   And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure 
>> of his Hall   wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell 
>> down onto the  freeway in Los Angeles.  What wasn't seen was that 
>> during the collapse,   the brake line was damaged.  MD swapped his 
>> stock wheels w/race tires   on and ran the Silver State a day or two 
>> later, but when he stepped on   the brakes at the finish line, the 
>> line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto   the exhaust and the rest was 
>> history.   And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others. 
>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were 
>> woefully   under-engineered, and today should be related either to a 
>> display case,   or a recycling bin IMHO....   So tell me exactly what 
>> kind of wheels you're talking about here, as   the Coddington wheels 
>> (which I have aesthetic problems with,   admittedly) are nothing like 
>> these Hall wheels at all.
>>>>   Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
>>    primer,
>>>   I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
>>    see the
>>>   final results.    Photo attached.
>> 
>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>>  either....   Cheers!   Mike
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 6 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:23:56 -0800 From: "Stephen" < 
>> steve at snclocks.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> > 
>> To: < MikeLDrew at aol.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> >, 
>> < gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> >, 
>> < guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> > Cc: < 
>> detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> > 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: 
>> <00d501d14e40$54625920$fd270b60$@snclocks.com> Content-Type: 
>> text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> When I was going through my brakes I wanted to clean out the e-brake 
>> housings and the cables.  So, I cut off the cable ends, took 
>> everything apart, took all the old plastic sheath off the housings, 
>> replaced with
> heavy
>> shrink-to-fit, cut the housings to be a better fit with less excess
> length,
>> lubed with graphite-impregnated grease, then put new ends on the 
>> cables to match the length that they needed to be.  Went together very 
>> nicely.
>> 
>> 
>> It would have been pretty much as simple to change length to match a 
>> front mounting for the originals, but would have likely required 
>> cutting a pair
> of
>> holes in the sheet metal - I hate extra holes.
>> 
>> 
>> For what all that is worth.
>> 
>> 
>> Stephen Nelson
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> [ 
>> mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 
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>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:52 AM To: gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ; 
>> steve at snclocks.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> ; 
>> guson at home.se 
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>> detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> < 
>> mailto:gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> > 
>> writes:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position to 
>> use   as Ebrake?  He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey 
>> wired on   the rear mounts.
>> 
>> 
>>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.  The
> calipers
>> are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear of the
> wheelwell.
>> If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no longer fit, plus 
>> if longer ones were used, they would foul the driveshafts on their way
> forward.
>> The only possible way to make a system like that work would be to
> reposition
>> the cables so they entered the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind 
>> the hub carriers, and there would be a fair bit of engineering 
>> involved.  I suppose it might be possible, but it certainly won't be a 
>> trivial
> exercise.
>> 
>> Mike
>> -------------- next part -------------- When I was going through my 
>> brakes I wanted to clean out the e-brake   housings and the cables. 
>> So, I cut off the cable ends, took everything   apart, took all the 
>> old plastic sheath off the housings, replaced with   heavy 
>> shrink-to-fit, cut the housings to be a better fit with less   excess 
>> length, lubed with graphite-impregnated grease, then put new   ends on 
>> the cables to match the length that they needed to be.  Went 
>> together very nicely.
>> 
>>  It would have been pretty much as simple to change length to match a 
>> front mounting for the originals, but would have likely required 
>> cutting a pair of holes in the sheet metal - I hate extra holes...
>> 
>>  For what all that is worth.
>> 
>>  Stephen Nelson
>> 
>> 
>>  From: MikeLDrew at aol.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> [ 
>> mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> ] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:52 AM   To: gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> ; 
>> steve at snclocks.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> ; 
>> guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')>   Cc: 
>> detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> 
>>  In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, [1] gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> 
>> writes:
>>       Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front 
>> position     to use        as Ebrake?  He already has the Wilwoods 
>> installed and saftey     wired on        the rear mounts.
>>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.  The
>>  calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear 
>> of   the wheelwell.  If the calipers are repositioned the cables will 
>> no   longer fit, plus if longer ones were used, they would foul the 
>> driveshafts on their way forward.  The only possible way to make a 
>> system like that work would be to reposition the cables so they 
>> entered   the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind the hub carriers, 
>> and there   would be a fair bit of engineering involved.  I suppose it 
>> might be   possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial exercise. 
>> Mike
>> References
>>  1. mailto:gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')>
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>> Hate to disagree here Mike. The only uprights that were produced for a
> Pantera that were right or left handed were "some" of Hall Pantera's
> aluminum uprights, and they originally had mounts on front and rear. For
> some reason later on in production they were built without both sets of
> ears.......... never understood why .......as you said dumb idea !!
>>     The Group 4 uprights were manufactured with both sets of ears. 
>> Some
> of you may not know that the GT 5 and the GT 5-S rear uprights were 
> taken
> from the competition Group 4 spares inventory.
>> 
>> Leslie A. Gray
>>> On Jan 13, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso < 
>>> detomaso at poca.com 
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>>> 
>>> In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, guson at home.se 
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
>>>   Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side 
>>> of    the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard 
>>> that    not    all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be 
>>> that only    newer    cars that suffer from that.
>>>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes only
>>> on one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a 
>>> production standpoint).  Mike 
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>> Message: 8 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 16:20:31 -0500 From: Michael Shortt 
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>> Cc: Dave Londry < davel at emspace.com 
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID: 
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>> none of my wheels are assembled ( fasteners) 3 piece wheels, all are
> welded
>> or billet.
>> I have driven on the wheels on street, on track and on the Tail of the 
>> Dragon and have had zero issues in 12 years with 2 different designs, 
>> not sure who mad ethe current wheels ( 10 spoke ), but they show no 
>> signs of stress, damage either.
>> It may be my luck, it could be others bad luck, it could be misuse and 
>> driving style.
>> My Dad owned 3 Audi 5000's, he never had any issues either, maybe 
>> because he never pressed the gas instead of the brake.
>> 
>> Michael Shortt
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, < MikeLDrew at aol.com 
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com 
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> 
>>> writes:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. I think that's 
>>> fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the unsprung weight 
>>> for track use? dave
>>> 
>>>>>> Interesting.  This was apparently a reply to an original post by
>>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it 
>>> wind up in my spam folder?
>>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway, 
>>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies 
>>> below:
>>> 
>>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:    Greetings,
>>>>   After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief inventory
>>> today,
>>>>   I have 21 Campy wheels,
>>> 
>>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>   5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero 
>>>> Triple    Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels 
>>>> made for
>>> Hall
>>>>   Pantera.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?  He did 
>>>>>> make
>>> them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some
> markedly
>>> better than others.  Can you share some images perhaps to help in 
>>> identification?
>>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were 
>>> welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
>>>>>   And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
>>> 
>>>>>> What kind of wheels are those?  10 spokes is a pretty vague
>>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes 
>>> they
> have
>>> at least. :>)
>>>> 
>>>>   I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,    And one 
>>>> set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for Rally and 
>>>> Track use.
>>> 
>>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake 
>>> center spinner?  Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the 
>>> latter
> being
>>> the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever encountered).
>>> 
>>>>   I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>>> Blackwalls
>>>>   and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos, With a
>>> spare
>>>>   Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>> 
>>>>>> Sounds good!
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>   That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of. 
>>>>> Sell or
>>>>   Trade. Photos Available.
>>> 
>>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?  What kind are 
>>>>>> they?
>>> Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model 
>>> wheels?
>>>>   I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>> 
>>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.  These 
>>>>>> were
>>> an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.  I have 
>>> no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any 
>>> other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very 
>>> small indeed. Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had 
>>> single slot wheels.
>>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels 
>>> to appear. :>)
>>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the Campy 
>>>> Wheel education.
>>> 
>>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about 
>>>>>> your
>>> aftermarket wheels.  Simply put, I would never wish three-piece Hall
> wheels
>>> on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.  We collectively
> know
>>> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and a 
>>> potential accident.  Jack has often told of the car that was zorching
> down
>>> Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his 
>>> Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe it thrust the car into the 
>>> scenery,
> but
>>> can't remember that aspect of the story for sure.  Jack?
>>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to
> sell;
>>> a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and he 
>>> had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked 
>>> halfway around.  The other three wheels had similar cracks when they 
>>> were taken apart and inspected.
>>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
> wheel;
>>> when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the freeway 
>>> in
> Los
>>> Angeles.  What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the brake 
>>> line
> was
>>> damaged.  MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran the 
>>> Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped on the brakes at 
>>> the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the exhaust 
>>> and the rest was history.
>>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
>>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were 
>>> woefully under-engineered, and today should be related either to a 
>>> display case,
> or
>>> a recycling bin IMHO....
>>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as 
>>> the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with, 
>>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
>>>>>   Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
>>> primer,
>>>>   I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to see 
>>>> the    final results.    Photo attached.
>>> 
>>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>>> either....
>>> Cheers!
>>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com 
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>> -------------- next part --------------   none of my wheels are 
>> assembled ( fasteners) 3 piece wheels, all are   welded or billet.   I 
>> have driven on the wheels on street, on track and on the Tail of the 
>> Dragon and have had zero issues in 12 years with 2 different designs, 
>> not sure who mad ethe current wheels ( 10 spoke ), but they show no 
>> signs of stress, damage either.   It may be my luck, it could be 
>> others bad luck, it could be misuse and   driving style.   My Dad 
>> owned 3 Audi 5000's, he never had any issues either, maybe   because 
>> he never pressed the gas instead of the brake.   Michael Shortt
>>  On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, <[1] MikeLDrew at aol.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> > 
>> wrote:
>>    In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [2] davel at emspace.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> 
>> writes:     My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.     I 
>> think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the 
>> unsprung weight for track use?     dave
>>>>> Interesting.A  This was apparently a reply to an original post by
>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it 
>> wind up in my spam folder?     I'm noting some irregularities with the 
>> forum these days....anyway,     thankfully Dave included Michael's 
>> original post, so see replies     below:
>>>    On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: A  A A  Greetings,
>>> A  A A  After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>>    inventory today,
>>> A  A A  I have 21 Campy wheels,
>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>> 
>>> A  A A  5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>>    Triple
>>> A  A A  Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels
>>    made for Hall
>>> A  A A  Pantera.
>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?A  He did
>>    make them for several other vendors, in several different styles, 
>> some markedly better than others.A  Can you share some images 
>> perhaps to help in identification?     Hall did have somebody cast up 
>> ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were     welded together, and perhaps 
>> Coddington was the source for those?
>>>> A  A A  And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and
>>    245/40.
>>>>> What kind of wheels are those?A  10 spokes is a pretty vague
>>    descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes 
>> they have at least. :>)
>>> 
>>> A  A A  I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use, A  A A 
>>> And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>>    Rally and
>>> A  A A  Track use.
>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>>    wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake 
>> center spinner?A  Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with 
>> the latter being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've 
>> ever encountered).
>>> A  A A  I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>>    Blackwalls
>>> A  A A  and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>>    With a spare
>>> A  A A  Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>>>> Sounds good!A
>> 
>>> 
>>>> A  A A  That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose
>>    of. Sell or
>>> A  A A  Trade. Photos Available.
>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?A  What kind are
>>    they?A  Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some 
>> L-model wheels?
>>> A  A A  I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.A
>> These were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile 
>> prototype.A I have no idea how many were put into production but 
>> I've never seen any other car wearing them, so I would have to 
>> imagine the number is very small indeed.A  Even 1006, the earliest 
>> known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels.     So don't hold your 
>> breath waiting for a full set of three-slot     wheels to appear. :>)
>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>>    Campy
>>> A  A A  Wheel education.
>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
>>    your aftermarket wheels.A  Simply put, I would never wish 
>> three-piece Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for 
>> track use.A  We collectively know about multiple failures, which 
>> always led to rapid deflation and a potential accident.A  Jack has 
>> often told of the car that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las 
>> Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled 
>> himself; I believe it thrust the car into the scenery, but can't 
>> remember that aspect of the story for sure.A  Jack?     Larry Stock 
>> had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to     sell; a 
>> rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!)   and he had 
>> to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had     cracked 
>> halfway around.A  The other three wheels had similar cracks     when 
>> they were taken apart and inspected.     And Mad Dog's fire was 
>> indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall     wheel; when the left 
>> rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the     freeway in Los 
>> Angeles.A  What wasn't seen was that during the     collapse, the 
>> brake line was damaged.A  MD swapped his stock wheels     w/race tires 
>> on and ran the Silver State a day or two later, but     when he 
>> stepped on the brakes at the finish line, the line ruptured,     fluid 
>> sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest was history.     And on and on 
>> and on...I'm sure there are many others.     Those wheels were a very 
>> well-intentioned design but they were     woefully under-engineered, 
>> and today should be related either to a     display case, or a 
>> recycling bin IMHO....     So tell me exactly what kind of wheels 
>> you're talking about here, as     the Coddington wheels (which I have 
>> aesthetic problems with,  admittedly) are nothing like these Hall 
>> wheels at all.
>>>> A  A A  Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the
>>    green primer,
>>> A  A A  I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just
>>    to see the
>>> A  A A  final results. A  A A  Photo attached.
>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>>    either....     Cheers! Mike
>>  --   Michael L. Shortt   Savannah, Georgia   [3] 
>> www.michaelshortt.com <http://www.michaelshortt.com>   [4] 
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>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 9 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:23:36 -0800 From: "Tomas 
>> Gunnarsson" < guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> > To: < 
>> MikeLDrew at aol.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> > 
>> Cc: < gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> >, 
>> < detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> > 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: < 
>> F6F0EDD7F26440B0970C3CD2C70F6033 at mail2world.com 
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>> Mike,
>> Bill originally wrote: Something that that blocks fluid in the brake 
>> lines to hold calipers pressed against the rotors.
>> 
>> Aka line loc.
>> 
>> OEM electric parking brakes work by having an electric motor actuate 
>> the brake via a mechanical device, like a wire.
>> 
>> Tomas
>> 
>> 
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso [ detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> ] 
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 8:51:53 PM To: guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> ; 
>> gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> 
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> 
>> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
>> 
>>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency brake 
>>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the 
>>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>> 
>>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about 
>>>>> an
>> (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the OEMs 
>> and is in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective to 
>> satisfy government regulations worldwide). Such systems are now 
>> available in the aftermarket.
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by 
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical 
>> 'arm' that is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know 
>> that for sure?
>> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient to 
>> hold a car for any length of time; they are designed for very 
>> short-term use only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than 
>> an inch) crashing into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow 
>> it and the fool parked it overnight on a slope in neutral with the 
>> line lock engaged. As the brakes cooled at night, they released and 
>> the car rolled through a lot crowded with collector cars, brushed past 
>> the Aston and crashed through a hedge and down into a ditch! 
>> Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been very bad indeed.
>> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be 
>> much more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would 
>> still hold pressure even as the fluid cooled. However, it would not 
>> serve as a proper emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure 
>> (say, a seal blew out in a caliper) whereas a cable-type system that 
>> mechanically leverages the components of the caliper requires no 
>> hydraulics to work.
>> Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30 years...park 
>> wisely and hope for the best!) -------------- next part -------------- 
>> Mike,
>>  Bill originally wrote: Something that that blocks fluid in the brake 
>> lines to hold calipers pressed against the rotors.
>>  Aka line loc.
>>  OEM electric parking brakes work by having an electric motor actuate 
>> the brake via a mechanical device, like a wire.
>>  Tomas   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->       From: Mike Drew 
>> via DeTomaso [ detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> ] 
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 8:51:53 PM   To: guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> ; 
>> gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> 
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes   In a message dated 1/13/16 8 
>> 03 59, guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
>>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency brake 
>>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the 
>>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about 
>>>>> an
>>  (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the 
>> OEMs   and is   in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently 
>> effective to satisfy   government regulations worldwide). Such systems 
>> are now available in   the   aftermarket.   I confess I don't know if 
>> OEM electric parking brake systems work by   pressurizing the fluid in 
>> the line, or if they are a simple mechanical   'arm' that   is pulling 
>> on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for   sure? 
>> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient to 
>> hold   a car for any length of time; they are designed for very 
>> short-term use   only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less 
>> than an inch)   crashing   into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a 
>> friend borrow it and the fool   parked it   overnight on a slope in 
>> neutral with the line lock engaged. As the   brakes   cooled at night, 
>> they released and the car rolled through a lot crowded   with 
>> collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a hedge and 
>> down   into a ditch! Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been 
>> very   bad   indeed.   A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake 
>> hydraulics would be much   more effective because it has its own 
>> master cylinder that would still   hold   pressure even as the fluid 
>> cooled. However, it would not serve as a   proper   emergency brake if 
>> there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal blew out   in a   caliper) 
>> whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages the 
>> components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work.   Mike (who 
>> has had no parking brake at all for the past 30 years...park   wisely 
>> and hope for the best!)
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 10 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:30:22 -0800 From: Larry Stock < 
>> larrys at panteraparts.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('larrys at panteraparts.com')> 
>>> To: < MikeLDrew at aol.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> >, < 
>> davel at emspace.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> >, < 
>> detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >, 
>> < michael at michaelshortt.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('michael at michaelshortt.com')> 
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID: 
>> <D2BC0041.15C59F% larrys at panteraparts.com 
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>> I am taking in a set of 8?s and 10?s X15? Campy?s with new tires next 
>> week on a sale and trade I am doing. Since you guys are talking about 
>> these, I am going to have a set available in the next week or so. 
>> E-mail me for more info and details. Larrys at PanteraParts.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('Larrys at PanteraParts.com')> 
>> (1-800-DeTomaso) 800-338-6627
>> 
>> On 1/13/16, 12:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" < 
>> detomaso-bounces at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com')> 
>> on behalf of detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> > 
>> wrote:
>>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com 
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> 
>>> writes:
>>>   My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.    I think 
>>> that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the 
>>> unsprung weight for track use?    dave
>>>>>> Interesting.  This was apparently a reply to an original post by
>>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it 
>>> wind  up in my spam folder?  I'm noting some irregularities with the 
>>> forum these days....anyway,  thankfully Dave included Michael's 
>>> original post, so see replies below:
>>>>   On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:    Greetings,
>>>>   After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>>>   inventory today,
>>>>   I have 21 Campy wheels,
>>> 
>>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>> 
>>>>   5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>>>   Triple
>>>>   Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
>>>   for Hall
>>>>   Pantera.
>>> 
>>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?  He did
>>> make them for several other vendors, in several different styles, 
>>> some  markedly better than others.  Can you share some images perhaps 
>>> to help  in identification?  Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke 
>>> Si-looking wheels that were  welded together, and perhaps Coddington 
>>> was the source for those?
>>>>>   And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
>>> 
>>>>>> What kind of wheels are those?  10 spokes is a pretty vague
>>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes 
>>> they  have at least. :>)
>>>> 
>>>>   I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,    And one 
>>>> set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>>>   Rally and
>>>>   Track use.
>>> 
>>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake 
>>> center  spinner?  Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with 
>>> the latter  being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've 
>>> ever  encountered).
>>>>   I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>>>   Blackwalls
>>>>   and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>>>   With a spare
>>>> Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>> 
>>>>>> Sounds good!
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>   That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
>>>   Sell or
>>>>   Trade. Photos Available.
>>> 
>>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?  What kind are
>>> they?  Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some 
>>> L-model  wheels?
>>>>   I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>> 
>>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.  These
>>> were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype. 
>>> I  have no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen 
>>> any  other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is 
>>> very  small indeed.  Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, 
>>> had single  slot wheels.  So don't hold your breath waiting for a 
>>> full set of three-slot wheels  to appear. :>)
>>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>>>   Campy
>>>>   Wheel education.
>>> 
>>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
>>> your aftermarket wheels.  Simply put, I would never wish three-piece 
>>> Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.  We 
>>> collectively know about multiple failures, which always led to rapid 
>>> deflation and a potential accident.  Jack has often told of the car 
>>> that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit 
>>> speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe it 
>>> thrust the car into the scenery, but can't remember that aspect of 
>>> the  story for sure.  Jack?  Larry Stock had a car on the grass at 
>>> Concorso that he was trying to  sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart 
>>> while the car was parked (!) and  he had to tow it back to Nevada as 
>>> it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked  halfway around.  The other 
>>> three wheels had similar cracks when they  were taken apart and 
>>> inspected.  And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure 
>>> of his Hall  wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell 
>>> down onto the  freeway in Los Angeles.  What wasn't seen was that 
>>> during the collapse,  the brake line was damaged.  MD swapped his 
>>> stock wheels w/race tires  on and ran the Silver State a day or two 
>>> later, but when he stepped on  the brakes at the finish line, the 
>>> line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto  the exhaust and the rest was 
>>> history.  And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others. 
>>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were 
>>> woefully  under-engineered, and today should be related either to a 
>>> display case,  or a recycling bin IMHO.... So tell me exactly what 
>>> kind of wheels you're talking about here, as  the Coddington wheels 
>>> (which I have aesthetic problems with,  admittedly) are nothing like 
>>> these Hall wheels at all.
>>>>>   Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
>>>   primer,
>>>>   I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
>>>   see the
>>>>   final results.    Photo attached.
>>> 
>>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>>> either....  Cheers!  Mike 
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>> Message: 11 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 22:53:34 +0100 From: Charles McCall 
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>>> To: < MikeLDrew at aol.com 
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: 
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>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by 
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
> 'arm'
>> that is pulling on a mechanical parking brake?   Does anybody know 
>> that for
> sure?
>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
> second
>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some 
>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it 
>> at
> any
>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 12 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:02:11 -0800 From: "Tomas 
>> Gunnarsson" < guson at home.se 
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>> charlesmccall at gmail.com 
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: < 
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>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid 
>> would not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time 
>> the brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip 
>> the switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are 
>> on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's 
>> usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated, hydraulics 
>> are not allowed.
>> Tomas
>> 
>> 
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>       From: Charles McCall [ charlesmccall at gmail.com 
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by 
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical 
>> 'arm' that is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know 
>> that for sure? ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a 
>> solenoid - the second case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the 
>> line. They have some electronics to ease the brake on if you are 
>> moving, but actuating it at any speed locks up your brakes. They are 
>> either on or off.
>> 
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>> -------------- next part --------------   It is more likely a linear 
>> actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid would   not be good as it would 
>> need to draw current for the whole time the   brakes are on. You can 
>> probably hear the motor whine when you flip the   switch (or whatever) 
>> and then it goes silent when the brakes are   on/off. Where there's 
>> legislation requiring a parking brake it's   usually also a 
>> requirement that it's mechanically actuated, hydraulics   are not 
>> allowed.
>>  Tomas   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->       From: Charles 
>> McCall [ charlesmccall at gmail.com 
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes   I confess I don't know if OEM 
>> electric parking brake systems work by   pressurizing the fluid in the 
>> line, or if they are a simple mechanical   'arm'   that   is pulling 
>> on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for   sure? 
>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the 
>> second   case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have 
>> some   electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but 
>> actuating it at   any   speed locks up your brakes. They are either on 
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>> Message: 13 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 23:04:27 +0100 From: Charles McCall 
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>>> To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" < guson at home.se 
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: 
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>> Sorry, you are correct that it is a linear actuator. I answered 
>> quickly.
> In
>> any case, it is a mechanical actuator and not pressurizing the 
>> hydraulic line.
>> 
>> 
>> From: Tomas Gunnarsson [ mailto:guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> ] Sent: 
>> mi?rcoles, 13 de enero de 2016 23:02 To: charlesmccall at gmail.com 
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> 
>> 
>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid 
>> would
> not
>> be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the brakes 
>> are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip the switch 
>> (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are on/off. 
>> Where
> there's
>> legislation requiring a parking brake it's usually also a requirement 
>> that it's mechanically actuated, hydraulics are not allowed.
>> 
>> 
>> Tomas
>> 
>> 
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by 
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
> 'arm'
>> 
>> that is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that 
>> for sure?
> 
>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
> second
>> 
>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some 
>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it 
>> at
> any
>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
>> 
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>> -------------- next part --------------   Sorry, you are correct that 
>> it is a linear actuator. I answered   quickly. In any case, it is a 
>> mechanical actuator and not pressurizing   the hydraulic line.
>> 
>>  From: Tomas Gunnarsson [ mailto:guson at home.se 
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>> Sent: miercoles, 13 de enero de 2016 23:02   To: 
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> 
>>  It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid 
>> would   not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole 
>> time the   brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when 
>> you flip the   switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the 
>> brakes are   on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking 
>> brake it's   usually also a requirement that it's mechanically 
>> actuated, hydraulics   are not allowed.
>> 
>>  Tomas
>>  <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>> 
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes   I confess I don't know if OEM 
>> electric parking brake systems work by   pressurizing the fluid in the 
>> line, or if they are a simple mechanical   'arm'   that   is pulling 
>> on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for   sure? 
>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the 
>> second   case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have 
>> some   electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but 
>> actuating it at   any   speed locks up your brakes. They are either on 
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>> Message: 14 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 23:09:38 +0100 From: Thomas 
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>> I believe VW electric parking brake have an electric motor directly on 
>> the caliper, no cables.
>> 
>> Den 2016-01-13 22:53, Charles McCall skrev:
>>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by 
>>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple 
>>> mechanical
> 'arm'
>>> that is pulling on a mechanical parking brake?   Does anybody know 
>>> that for
> sure?
>>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
> second
>>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some 
>>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it 
>>> at
> any
>>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
>>> 
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>> Message: 15 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 22:15:16 +0000 (UTC) From: marshall 
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID:    < 
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>> FYI....
>> I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and came
> with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that covered the lug
> nuts or you could delete the cone and go with exposed lug nuts.
>> I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I 
>> recall.
>> Marshall -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/13/16, 
>> Mike Drew via DeTomaso < detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> > 
>> wrote:
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels To: davel at emspace.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> , 
>> detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> , 
>> michael at michaelshortt.com 
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>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
>> ???In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> 
>> writes:
>> ? ???My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. ? ???I think 
>> that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the ? 
>> ???unsprung weight for track use? ? ???dave
>> ???>>>Interesting.? This was apparently a reply to an original post by 
>> ???Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it 
>> wind ???up in my spam folder? ???I'm noting some irregularities with 
>> the forum these days....anyway, ???thankfully Dave included Michael's 
>> original post, so see replies below:
>> ? ???On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: ? ???>? ???Greetings, ? 
>> ???> ? ???>? ???After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief 
>> ? ???inventory today, ? ???>? ???I have 21 Campy wheels,
>> ???>>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>> ? ???>? ???5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero 
>> ? ???Triple ? ???>? ???Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd 
>> Coddington Wheels made ? ???for Hall ? ???>? ???Pantera.
>> ???>>>Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?? He did 
>> ???make them for several other vendors, in several different styles, 
>> some ???markedly better than others.? Can you share some images 
>> perhaps to help ???in identification? ???Hall did have somebody cast 
>> up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were ???welded together, and 
>> perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
>> ? ???>>? ???And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 
>> 245/40.
>> ???>>>What kind of wheels are those?? 10 spokes is a pretty vague 
>> ???descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes 
>> they ???have at least. :>)
>> ? ???> ? ???>? ???I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street 
>> use, ? ???>? ???And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos 
>> for ? ???Rally and ? ???>? ???Track use.
>> ???>>>Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or 
>> Hall ???wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a 
>> fake center ???spinner?? Those are as different as chalk and cheese 
>> (with the latter ???being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels 
>> I've ever ???encountered).
>> ? ???>? ???I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny 
>> ? ???Blackwalls ? ???>? ???and a set of Double Slots with Vintage 
>> Arrivas for Photos, ? ???With a spare ? ???>? ???Front and a Spare 
>> Rear in case of a boo boo.
>> ???>>>Sounds good!
>> ? ???> ? ???>>? ???That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to 
>> dispose of. ? ???Sell or ? ???>? ???Trade. Photos Available.
>> ???>>>Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?? What kind are 
>> ???they?? Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some 
>> L-model ???wheels?
>> ? ???>? ???I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>> ???>>>I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.? 
>> These ???were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile 
>> prototype.? I ???have no idea how many were put into production but 
>> I've never seen any ???other car wearing them, so I would have to 
>> imagine the number is very ???small indeed.? Even 1006, the earliest 
>> known Pantera extant, had single ???slot wheels. ???So don't hold your 
>> breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels ???to appear. :>)
>> ? ???>I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the ? 
>> ???Campy ? ???>? ???Wheel education.
>> ???>>>It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about 
>> ???your aftermarket wheels.? Simply put, I would never wish 
>> three-piece ???Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for 
>> track use.? We ???collectively know about multiple failures, which 
>> always led to rapid ???deflation and a potential accident.? Jack has 
>> often told of the car ???that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las 
>> Vegas at triple digit ???speeds one year when his Hall wheel 
>> dismantled himself; I believe it ???thrust the car into the scenery, 
>> but can't remember that aspect of the ???story for sure.? Jack? 
>> ???Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying 
>> to ???sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked 
>> (!) and ???he had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it 
>> had cracked ???halfway around.? The other three wheels had similar 
>> cracks when they ???were taken apart and inspected. ???And Mad Dog's 
>> fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall ???wheel; when 
>> the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the ???freeway in 
>> Los Angeles.? What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, ???the 
>> brake line was damaged.? MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires 
>> ???on and ran the Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped 
>> on ???the brakes at the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed 
>> onto ???the exhaust and the rest was history. ???And on and on and 
>> on...I'm sure there are many others. ???Those wheels were a very 
>> well-intentioned design but they were woefully ???under-engineered, 
>> and today should be related either to a display case, ???or a 
>> recycling bin IMHO.... ???So tell me exactly what kind of wheels 
>> you're talking about here, as ???the Coddington wheels (which I have 
>> aesthetic problems with, ???admittedly) are nothing like these Hall 
>> wheels at all.
>> ? ???>>? ???Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the 
>> green ? ???primer, ? ???>? ???I'll probably paint them Argent Silver 
>> and Clear them just to ? ???see the ? ???>? ???final results. ? ???>? 
>> ???Photo attached. ? ???>
>> ???>>>Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo 
>> ???either.... ???Cheers! ???Mike
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>> Message: 16 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 22:24:18 +0000 (UTC) From: marshall 
>> smith < marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net 
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>>> To: < davel at emspace.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> >, < 
>> detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> >, 
>> < michael at michaelshortt.com 
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>>> ,    < MikeLDrew at aol.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> >, 
>> marshall smith    < marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net 
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>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID:    < 
>> 1003982879.3795306.1452723858144.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com 
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>> Additionally....Hall's 10 spoke wheels have the spokes slanted 
>> slightly
> inboard or towards the suspension. I believe Wilkinson made a 10 spoke 
> wheel
> where the spokes slant outward. These are visually better looking giving 
> a
> semi dished look and have slightly rounded spokes where the Hall's have
> sharp edged spokes.
>> 
>> M -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/13/16, 
>> marshall smith < marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net')> 
>>> wrote:
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels To: davel at emspace.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> , 
>> detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> , 
>> michael at michaelshortt.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('michael at michaelshortt.com')> 
>> ,
> MikeLDrew at aol.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')>
>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 2:15 PM
>> FYI....
>> I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and came 
>> with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that covered the 
>> lug nuts or you could delete the cone and go with exposed lug nuts. I 
>> was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I recall.
>> Marshall -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/13/16, 
>> Mike Drew via DeTomaso < detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> > 
>> wrote:
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels  To: davel at emspace.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> , 
>> detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> , 
>> michael at michaelshortt.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('michael at michaelshortt.com')> 
>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
>> ???In a message dated  1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> 
>> writes:
>> ? ???My 17" Hall wheels are a lot  heavier than the mags.  ? ???I 
>> think that's fine for street, but  aren't you concerned about the  ? 
>> ???unsprung weight for track use?  ? ???dave
>> ???>>>Interesting.? This was  apparently a reply to an original post 
>> by  ???Michael Shortt, but that post never came  through to me nor did 
>> it wind  ???up in my spam folder?  ???I'm noting some irregularities 
>> with the  forum these days....anyway,  ???thankfully Dave included 
>> Michael's  original post, so see replies below:
>> ? ???On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt  wrote:  ? ???>? 
>> ???Greetings,  ? ???>  ? ???>? ???After  gathering all my wheels in 
>> one place and a brief  ? ???inventory today,  ? ???>? ???I have  21 
>> Campy wheels,
>> ???>>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>> ? ???>? ???5  Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and 
>> Zero  ? ???Triple  ? ???>? ???Slots  ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd 
>> Coddington Wheels made  ? ???for Hall  ? ???>?  ???Pantera.
>> ???>>>Uh, I don't think Coddington  every made wheels for Hall?? He 
>> did  ???make them for several other vendors, in  several different 
>> styles, some  ???markedly better than others.? Can you  share some 
>> images perhaps to help  ???in identification?  ???Hall did have 
>> somebody cast up ten-spoke  Si-looking wheels that were  ???welded 
>> together, and perhaps Coddington  was the source for those?
>> ? ???>>?  ???And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with  335/35 and 
>> 245/40.
>> ???>>>What kind of wheels are  those?? 10 spokes is a pretty vague 
>> ???descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty  certain how many spokes 
>> they  ???have at least. :>)
>> ? ???>  ? ???>? ???I am  keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street 
>> use,  ? ???>? ???And  one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 
>> Kumhos for  ? ???Rally and  ? ???>? ???Track  use.
>> ???>>>Wait--are you talking about  Coddington Campagnolo clones, or 
>> Hall  ???wheels which are three-piece,  bolt-together affairs, with a 
>> fake center  ???spinner?? Those are as different as  chalk and cheese 
>> (with the latter  ???being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous 
>> wheels I've ever  ???encountered).
>> ? ???>? ???I will  be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with 
>> skinny  ? ???Blackwalls  ? ???>? ???and a  set of Double Slots with 
>> Vintage Arrivas for Photos,  ? ???With a spare  ? ???>? ???Front  and 
>> a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>> ???>>>Sounds good!
>> ? ???>  ? ???>>?  ???That leaves 2 full sets of double slot  wheels 
>> to dispose of.  ? ???Sell or  ? ???>? ???Trade.  Photos Available.
>> ???>>>Somebody just asked for a  set--Guy Dellavecchia?? What kind 
>> are  ???they?? Guy might want to trade his  '71 two-slot wheels for 
>> some L-model  ???wheels?
>> ? ???>? ???I'd  love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>> ???>>>I have only ever seen two of  them (separately) in my life.? 
>> These  ???were an experimental wheel used on the  first pushmobile 
>> prototype.? I  ???have no idea how many were put into  production but 
>> I've never seen any  ???other car wearing them, so I would have to 
>> imagine the number is very  ???small indeed.? Even 1006, the  earliest 
>> known Pantera extant, had single  ???slot wheels.  ???So don't hold 
>> your breath waiting for a  full set of three-slot wheels  ???to 
>> appear. :>)
>> ? ???>I will sort them this week by  design, Thanks Mike Drew for the 
>> ? ???Campy  ? ???>? ???Wheel  education.
>> ???>>>It's my pleasure, but at this  point I'm far more concerned 
>> about  ???your aftermarket wheels.? Simply put,  I would never wish 
>> three-piece  ???Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and  especially not for 
>> track use.? We  ???collectively know about multiple failures,  which 
>> always led to rapid  ???deflation and a potential accident.?  Jack has 
>> often told of the car  ???that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in 
>> Las Vegas at triple digit  ???speeds one year when his Hall wheel 
>> dismantled himself; I believe it  ???thrust the car into the scenery, 
>> but can't  remember that aspect of the  ???story for sure.? Jack? 
>> ???Larry Stock had a car on the grass at  Concorso that he was trying 
>> to  ???sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while  the car was parked 
>> (!) and  ???he had to tow it back to Nevada as it  couldn't be 
>> fixed--it had cracked  ???halfway around.? The other three  wheels had 
>> similar cracks when they  ???were taken apart and inspected.  ???And 
>> Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused  by the failure of his Hall 
>> ???wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,  the car fell down onto the 
>> ???freeway in Los Angeles.? What wasn't  seen was that during the 
>> collapse,  ???the brake line was damaged.? MD  swapped his stock 
>> wheels w/race tires  ???on and ran the Silver State a day or two 
>> later, but when he stepped on  ???the brakes at the finish line, the 
>> line  ruptured, fluid sprayed onto  ???the exhaust and the rest was 
>> history.  ???And on and on and on...I'm sure there are  many others. 
>> ???Those wheels were a very well-intentioned  design but they were 
>> woefully  ???under-engineered, and today should be  related either to 
>> a display case,  ???or a recycling bin IMHO....  ???So tell me exactly 
>> what kind of wheels  you're talking about here, as  ???the Coddington 
>> wheels (which I have  aesthetic problems with,  ???admittedly) are 
>> nothing like these Hall  wheels at all.
>> ? ???>>?  ???Just let a local guy soda blast two of  them down to the 
>> green  ? ???primer,  ? ???>? ???I'll  probably paint them Argent 
>> Silver and Clear them just to  ? ???see the  ? ???>? ???final 
>> results.  ? ???>? ???Photo  attached.  ? ???>
>> ???>>>Since I didn't get your  original e-mail, I didn't get the 
>> photo  ???either....  ???Cheers!  ???Mike
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>> Message: 17 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:44:23 -0500 From: Michael Shortt 
>> < michaelsavga at gmail.com 
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>>> To: marshall smith < marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net')> 
>>> , detomaso at poca.com 
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID: < 
>> CAEWtxWoBoP_w8V4hEH2fJDsmEVnwB4ueWkX8rJqC7R-FWTFj0A at mail.gmail.com 
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>> Marshall,
>> I have those too, considered having them Powdercoated, but the center 
>> treatment would look silly. I have both the spinners and the big black 
>> lugs. The other set is the 5 spoke from Hall/Boyd.
>> Michael Shortt On Jan 13, 2016 5:15 PM, "marshall smith" < 
>> marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net')> 
>>> wrote:
>>> FYI....
>>> I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and 
>>> came with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that covered 
>>> the lug nuts or you could delete the cone and go with exposed lug 
>>> nuts. I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I 
>>> recall.
>>> Marshall -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 
>>> 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso < detomaso at poca.com 
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels To: davel at emspace.com 
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> , 
>>> detomaso at poca.com 
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> , 
>>> michael at michaelshortt.com 
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('michael at michaelshortt.com')> 
>>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
>>>   In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com 
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> 
>>> writes:
>>>     My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.      I think 
>>> that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the 
>>> unsprung weight for track use?      dave
>>>>>> Interesting.  This was
>>> apparently a reply to an original post by    Michael Shortt, but that 
>>> post never came through to me nor did it wind   up in my spam folder? 
>>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway, 
>>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies 
>>> below:
>>>     On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:    Greetings,
>>>> 
>>>>   After
>>> gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief      inventory 
>>> today,
>>>>   I have
>>> 21 Campy wheels,
>>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>> 
>>>>   5
>>> Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero      Triple
>>>>   Slots
>>> ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made      for 
>>> Hall    Pantera.
>>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington
>>> every made wheels for Hall?  He did    make them for several other 
>>> vendors, in several different styles, some    markedly better than 
>>> others.  Can you share some images perhaps to help    in 
>>> identification?    Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke 
>>> Si-looking wheels that were    welded together, and perhaps 
>>> Coddington was the source for those?
>>>   And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
>>>>>> What kind of wheels are
>>> those?  10 spokes is a pretty vague    descriiption--although I admit 
>>> I'm pretty certain how many spokes they   have at least. :>)
>>>> 
>>>>   I am
>>> keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
>>>>   And
>>> one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for      Rally and
>>>>   Track
>>> use.
>>>>>> Wait--are you talking about
>>> Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall    wheels which are 
>>> three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake center    spinner? 
>>> Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the latter    being 
>>> the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever 
>>> encountered).
>>>>   I will
>>> be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny     Blackwalls
>>>>   and a
>>> set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,      With a 
>>> spare
>>>>   Front
>>> and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>>>>> Sounds good!
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>   That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of. 
>>> Sell or
>>>>   Trade.
>>> Photos Available.
>>>>>> Somebody just asked for a
>>> set--Guy Dellavecchia?  What kind are    they?  Guy might want to 
>>> trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model    wheels?
>>>>   I'd
>>> love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>>>>> I have only ever seen two of
>>> them (separately) in my life.  These    were an experimental wheel 
>>> used on the first pushmobile prototype.  I    have no idea how many 
>>> were put into production but I've never seen any    other car wearing 
>>> them, so I would have to imagine the number is very    small indeed. 
>>> Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had single    slot 
>>> wheels.    So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of 
>>> three-slot wheels    to appear. :>)
>>>> I will sort them this week by
>>> design, Thanks Mike Drew for the      Campy
>>>>   Wheel
>>> education.
>>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this
>>> point I'm far more concerned about    your aftermarket wheels. 
>>> Simply put, I would never wish three-piece    Hall wheels on my worst 
>>> enemy, and especially not for track use.  We    collectively know 
>>> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid    deflation and a 
>>> potential accident. Jack has often told of the car    that was 
>>> zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit    speeds 
>>> one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe it 
>>> thrust the car into the scenery, but can't remember that aspect of 
>>> the   story for sure.  Jack?    Larry Stock had a car on the grass at 
>>> Concorso that he was trying to    sell; a rear wheel simply blew 
>>> apart while the car was parked (!) and    he had to tow it back to 
>>> Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked    halfway around. 
>>> The other three wheels had similar cracks when they    were taken 
>>> apart and inspected.    And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by 
>>> the failure of his Hall    wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, 
>>> the car fell down onto the    freeway in Los Angeles.  What wasn't 
>>> seen was that during the collapse,    the brake line was damaged.  MD 
>>> swapped his stock wheels w/race tires    on and ran the Silver State 
>>> a day or two later, but when he stepped on    the brakes at the 
>>> finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto    the exhaust and 
>>> the rest was history.    And on and on and on...I'm sure there are 
>>> many others.    Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but 
>>> they were woefully    under-engineered, and today should be related 
>>> either to a display case,    or a recycling bin IMHO....    So tell 
>>> me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as    the 
>>> Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with, 
>>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
>>>   Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green 
>>> primer,
>>>>   I'll
>>> probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to      see the
>>>>  final
>>> results.
>>>>   Photo
>>> attached.
>>>>>> Since I didn't get your
>>> original e-mail, I didn't get the photo    either....    Cheers! 
>>> Mike
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>> -------------- next part --------------   Marshall,
>>  I have those too, considered having them Powdercoated, but the 
>> center   treatment would look silly. I have both the spinners and the 
>> big black   lugs. The other set is the 5 spoke from Hall/Boyd.
>>  Michael Shortt
>>  On Jan 13, 2016 5:15 PM, "marshall smith"   <[1] 
>> marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net')> 
>>> wrote:
>>    FYI....     I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded 
>> centers and     came with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and 
>> cone that     covered the lug nuts or you could delete the cone and go 
>> with     exposed lug nuts.     I was told that Boyd made these. Hall 
>> called them Mark 10s as I     recall.     Marshall 
>> --------------------------------------------     On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike 
>> Drew via DeTomaso <[2] detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> > 
>> wrote:     A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels     A To: [3] 
>> davel at emspace.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> , 
>> [4] detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> , 
>> [5] michael at michaelshortt.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('michael at michaelshortt.com')> 
>> A Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM     A A A A In a message 
>> dated     A 1/10/16 21 39 38, [6] davel at emspace.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> 
>> A writes:     A A  A A A My 17" Hall wheels are a lot     A heavier 
>> than the mags.     A A  A A A I think that's fine for street, but 
>> A aren't you concerned about the     A A  A A A unsprung weight for 
>> track use?     A A  A A A dave     A A A A >>>Interesting.A  This was 
>> A apparently a reply to an original post by A A A A Michael Shortt, 
>> but that post never came     A through to me nor did it wind     A A A 
>> A up in my spam folder?     A A A A I'm noting some irregularities 
>> with the     A forum these days....anyway,     A A A A thankfully Dave 
>> included Michael's     A original post, so see replies below:     A A 
>> A A A On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt     A wrote:   A A  A A A >A 
>> A A A A Greetings,     A A  A A A >     A A  A A A >A A A A After 
>> A gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief     A A A A A 
>> inventory today,     A A  A A A >A  A A A I have     A 21 Campy 
>> wheels,     A A A A >>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)     A A  A A A >A  A A A 
>> 5     A Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero 
>> A A  A A A Triple     A A  A A A >A  A A A Slots     A ( No 10") Plus 
>> 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made     A A  A A A for Hall 
>> A A  A A A >A     A A A A Pantera.     A A A A >>>Uh, I don't think 
>> Coddington     A every made wheels for Hall?A  He did     A A A A make 
>> them for several other vendors, in     A several different styles, 
>> some     A A A A markedly better than others.A  Can you     A share 
>> some images perhaps to help     A A A A in identification?     A A A A 
>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke     A Si-looking wheels that 
>> were     A A A A welded together, and perhaps Coddington     A was the 
>> source for those?     A A  A A A >>A     A A A A And the 17" 10 spokes 
>> on the car now with     A 335/35 and 245/40.     A A A A >>>What kind 
>> of wheels are     A those?A  10 spokes is a pretty vague     A A A A 
>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty     A certain how many 
>> spokes they     A A A A have at least. :>)     A A  A A A >     A A  A 
>> A A >A  A A A I am     A keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street 
>> use,     A A  A A A >A  A A A And     A one set of the 17" Hall Wheels 
>> with 315/235 Kumhos for     A A  A A A Rally and     A A  A A A >A  A 
>> A A Track     A use.     A A A A >>>Wait--are you talking about     A 
>> Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall     A A A A wheels which are 
>> three-piece,     A bolt-together affairs, with a fake center     A A A 
>> A spinner?A  Those are as different as     A chalk and cheese (with 
>> the latter     A A A A being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous 
>> A wheels I've ever     A A A A encountered).     A A  A A A >A  A A A 
>> I will     A be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny 
>> A A  A A A Blackwalls     A A  A A A >A  A A A and a    A set of 
>> Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,     A A  A A A With a 
>> spare     A A  A A A >A  A A A Front     A and a Spare Rear in case of 
>> a boo boo.     A A A A >>>Sounds good!     A A  A A A >     A A  A A A 
>>>> A     A A A A That leaves 2 full sets of double slot     A wheels to 
>> dispose of.     A A  A A A Sell or     A A  A A A >A  A A A Trade. 
>> A Photos Available.     A A A A >>>Somebody just asked for a     A 
>> set--Guy Dellavecchia?A  What kind are     A A A A they?A  Guy might 
>> want to trade his     A '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model     A A A 
>> A wheels?     A A  A A A >A  A A A I'd     A love a Triple Slot set. 
>> Anybody have some?     A A A A >>>I have only ever seen two of     A 
>> them (separately) in my life.A  These     A A A A were an experimental 
>> wheel used on the     A first pushmobile prototype.A  I     A A A A 
>> have no idea how many were put into     A production but I've never 
>> seen any     A A A A other car wearing them, so I would have to     A 
>> imagine the number is very     A A A A small indeed.A  Even 1006, the 
>> A earliest known Pantera extant, had single     A A A A slot wheels. 
>> A A A A So don't hold your breath waiting for a     A full set of 
>> three-slot wheels     A A A A to appear. :>)     A A  A A A >I will 
>> sort them this week by     A design, Thanks Mike Drew for the     A A 
>> A A A Campy     A A  A A A >A  A A A Wheel     A education.     A A A 
>> A >>>It's my pleasure, but at this A point I'm far more concerned 
>> about     A A A A your aftermarket wheels.A  Simply put,     A I would 
>> never wish three-piece     A A A A Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and 
>> A especially not for track use.A  We     A A A A collectively know 
>> about multiple failures,     A which always led to rapid     A A A A 
>> deflation and a potential accident.A     A Jack has often told of the 
>> car     A A A A that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in A Las Vegas 
>> at triple digit     A A A A speeds one year when his Hall wheel     A 
>> dismantled himself; I believe it     A A A A thrust the car into the 
>> scenery, but can't     A remember that aspect of the     A A A A story 
>> for sure.A  Jack?     A A A A Larry Stock had a car on the grass at  A 
>> Concorso that he was trying to     A A A A sell; a rear wheel simply 
>> blew apart while     A the car was parked (!) and     A A A A he had 
>> to tow it back to Nevada as it     A couldn't be fixed--it had cracked 
>> A A A A halfway around.A  The other three     A wheels had similar 
>> cracks when they     A A A A were taken apart and inspected.     A A A 
>> A And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused     A by the failure of his 
>> Hall     A A A A wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,     A the car 
>> fell down onto the   A A A A freeway in Los Angeles.A  What wasn't 
>> A seen was that during the collapse,     A A A A the brake line was 
>> damaged.A  MD     A swapped his stock wheels w/race tires     A A A A 
>> on and ran the Silver State a day or two     A later, but when he 
>> stepped on     A A A A the brakes at the finish line, the line     A 
>> ruptured, fluid sprayed onto     A A A A the exhaust and the rest was 
>> history.     A A A A And on and on and on...I'm sure there are     A 
>> many others.     A A A A Those wheels were a very well-intentioned 
>> A design but they were woefully     A A A A under-engineered, and 
>> today should be     A related either to a display case,     A A A A or 
>> a recycling bin IMHO....     A A A A So tell me exactly what kind of 
>> wheels     A you're talking about here, as     A A A A the Coddington 
>> wheels (which I have     A aesthetic problems with,     A A A A 
>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall     A wheels at all.     A A A 
>> A A >>A     A A A A Just let a local guy soda blast two of     A them 
>> down to the green     A A  A A A primer,     A A  A A A >A  A A A I'll 
>> A probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to     A A  A 
>> A A see the     A A  A A A >A  A A A final     A results.     A A  A A 
>> A >A  A A A Photo     A attached.     A A  A A A >     A A A A 
>>>>> Since I didn't get your     A original e-mail, I didn't get the 
>> photo     A A A A either....     A A A A Cheers!     A A A A Mike 
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>> Message: 18 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 03:51:32 +0000 (UTC) From: Ken 
>> Green < kenn_green at yahoo.com 
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>> To: Tomas Gunnarsson < guson at home.se 
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>> charlesmccall at gmail.com 
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>>> ,    Scott Bell < scott at saccrestorations.net 
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>>> Cc: " detomaso at poca.com 
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID:    < 
>> 1037889853.5193710.1452743492663.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com 
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> Scott at SACC ( http://www.saccrestorations.net/ 
>> <http://www.saccrestorations.net/> ) was selling an electric
> parking brake actuator kit?for?Panteras.? I'm not sure if it is 
> currently
> available, so you'd have to ask Scott.
>> Ken ?
>>     From: Tomas Gunnarsson < guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> > To: 
>> charlesmccall at gmail.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')> 
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
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>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 
>> parking brakes
>> ? It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid 
>> would ? not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole 
>> time the ? brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when 
>> you flip the ? switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the 
>> brakes are ? on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking 
>> brake it's ? usually also a requirement that it's mechanically 
>> actuated, hydraulics ? are not allowed.
>> ? Tomas ? <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> ? ? ? From: Charles 
>> McCall [ charlesmccall at gmail.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')> 
>> ] ? Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM ? To: ? MikeLDrew at aol.com 
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes ? I confess I don't know if OEM 
>> electric parking brake systems work by ? pressurizing the fluid in the 
>> line, or if they are a simple mechanical ? 'arm' ? that ? is pulling 
>> on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for ? sure? ? 
>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the 
>> ? second ? case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They 
>> have some ? electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but 
>> actuating it at ? any ? speed locks up your brakes. They are either on 
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>> -------------- next part --------------   Scott at SACC ([1] 
>> http://www.saccrestorations.net/ <http://www.saccrestorations.net/> ) 
>> was selling an   electric parking brake actuator kit for Panteras. 
>> I'm not sure if it   is currently available, so you'd have to ask 
>> Scott.   Ken 
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>  From: Tomas Gunnarsson < guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> >   To: 
>> charlesmccall at gmail.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')> 
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
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>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 
>> parking brakes     It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a 
>> motor. A solenoid   would     not be good as it would need to draw 
>> current for the whole time the     brakes are on. You can probably 
>> hear the motor whine when you flip   the     switch (or whatever) and 
>> then it goes silent when the brakes are     on/off. Where there's 
>> legislation requiring a parking brake it's     usually also a 
>> requirement that it's mechanically actuated,   hydraulics     are not 
>> allowed.     Tomas     <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> 
>> From: Charles McCall [[2] charlesmccall at gmail.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')> 
>> ]     Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM     To:
>>  [3] MikeLDrew at aol.com 
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>> guson at home.se 
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>> ;[6]detomas o at poca.com 
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes     I confess I don't know if 
>> OEM electric parking brake systems work by     pressurizing the fluid 
>> in the line, or if they are a simple   mechanical     'arm'     that 
>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for 
>> sure?     ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a 
>> solenoid - the     second     case. They do not pressurize the fluid 
>> in the line. They have some     electronics to ease the brake on if 
>> you are moving, but actuating it   at     any     speed locks up your 
>> brakes. They are either on or off. 
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>> Message: 19 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 20:19:16 -0800 From: "Scott Bell" < 
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>>> To: "'Ken Green'" < kenn_green at yahoo.com 
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>> Cc: < detomaso at poca.com 
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: 
>> <013501d14e82$bc2e21f0$348a65d0$@saccrestorations.net> Content-Type: 
>> text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> Yes, the E-Stopp Electronic Parking Brake Kit is back and available to 
>> use
> with the stock Pantera rear Calipers or with any aftermarket parking 
> brake
> caliper. I will add them back to our website later this week.
>> 
>> We offer the kit as it is sold from E-Stopp. The do-it-yourselfer can 
>> fab
> the brackets needed to mount it in the Pantera. OR, we offer an 
> installation
> kit that makes the unit a bolt on upgrade.
>> 
>> Interestingly, before I had the E-Stopp installed in my Pantera, I 
>> almost
> never set my parking brake. Not sure why, maybe because I didn?t like 
> how
> awkward the stock unit was to operate. For the stock unit to work it 
> really
> needs to be set with a bit or force. Then, to release, I needed to use 
> both
> hands. After installing the Electronic unit, I set the parking brake 
> every
> time I park the car.
>> 
>> In addition to the Electronic Actuator, SACC Restorations is coming 
>> out
> with a new Parking Brake Caliper Kit that will be a bolt on unit custom
> fitted specifically for the Pantera. This will give owners an 
> opportunity to
> upgrade to a great looking, light weight and affordable parking brake
> solution. More to come on the new product in the next few weeks!
>> 
>> Scott
>> From: Ken Green [ mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('kenn_green at yahoo.com')> ] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:52 PM To: Tomas Gunnarsson; 
>> charlesmccall at gmail.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')> 
>> ; Scott Bell Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> Scott at SACC ( http://www.saccrestorations.net/ 
>> <http://www.saccrestorations.net/> ) was selling an electric
> parking brake actuator kit for Panteras.  I'm not sure if it is 
> currently
> available, so you'd have to ask Scott.
>> 
>> Ken
>> 
>> _____
>> From: Tomas Gunnarsson < guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> > To: 
>> charlesmccall at gmail.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')> 
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 
>> parking brakes
>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid 
>> would  not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time 
>> the  brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you 
>> flip the  switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes 
>> are  on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's 
>> usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated, hydraulics 
>> are not allowed.
>> Tomas  <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->      From: Charles McCall 
>> [ charlesmccall at gmail.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')> 
>> ]  Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM  To: MikeLDrew at aol.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> ; 
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>> detomaso at poca.com 
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes  I confess I don't know if OEM 
>> electric parking brake systems work by  pressurizing the fluid in the 
>> line, or if they are a simple mechanical  'arm'  that  is pulling on a 
>> mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for  sure?  ****Audis 
>> use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the  second 
>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some 
>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it 
>> at  any  speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off. 
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>> -------------- next part --------------   Yes, the E-Stopp Electronic 
>> Parking Brake Kit is back and available to   use with the stock 
>> Pantera rear Calipers or with any aftermarket   parking brake caliper. 
>> I will add them back to our website later this   week.
>> 
>>  We offer the kit as it is sold from E-Stopp. The do-it-yourselfer 
>> can   fab the brackets needed to mount it in the Pantera. OR, we offer 
>> an   installation kit that makes the unit a bolt on upgrade.
>> 
>>  Interestingly, before I had the E-Stopp installed in my Pantera, I 
>> almost never set my parking brake. Not sure why, maybe because I 
>> didn't   like how awkward the stock unit was to operate. For the stock 
>> unit to   work it really needs to be set with a bit or force. Then, to 
>> release, I   needed to use both hands. After installing the Electronic 
>> unit, I set   the parking brake every time I park the car.
>> 
>>  In addition to the Electronic Actuator, SACC Restorations is coming 
>> out   with a new Parking Brake Caliper Kit that will be a bolt on unit 
>> custom   fitted specifically for the Pantera. This will give owners an 
>> opportunity to upgrade to a great looking, light weight and affordable 
>> parking brake solution. More to come on the new product in the next 
>> few   weeks!
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>>  From: Ken Green [ mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('kenn_green at yahoo.com')> ] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:52 PM   To: Tomas Gunnarsson; 
>> charlesmccall at gmail.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')> 
>> ; Scott Bell   Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> 
>>  Scott at SACC ([1] http://www.saccrestorations.net/ 
>> <http://www.saccrestorations.net/> ) was selling an   electric parking 
>> brake actuator kit for Panteras.  I'm not sure if it   is currently 
>> available, so you'd have to ask Scott.
>> 
>>  Ken
>> 
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>>  From: Tomas Gunnarsson <[2] guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> >   To: 
>> [3] charlesmccall at gmail.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')> 
>> Cc: [4] detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 
>> parking brakes
>>    It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid 
>> would     not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole 
>> time the     brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when 
>> you flip   the     switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when 
>> the brakes are     on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a 
>> parking brake it's     usually also a requirement that it's 
>> mechanically actuated,   hydraulics     are not allowed.     Tomas 
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->         From: Charles McCall [[5] 
>> charlesmccall at gmail.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')> 
>> ]     Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM     To:
>>  [6] MikeLDrew at aol.com 
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>> guson at home.se 
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>> gaino at earthlink.net 
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>> ;[9]detomas o at poca.com 
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes     I confess I don't know if 
>> OEM electric parking brake systems work by     pressurizing the fluid 
>> in the line, or if they are a simple   mechanical     'arm'     that 
>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for 
>> sure?     ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a 
>> solenoid - the     second     case. They do not pressurize the fluid 
>> in the line. They have some     electronics to ease the brake on if 
>> you are moving, but actuating it   at     any     speed locks up your 
>> brakes. They are either on or off. 
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>> <http://www.saccrestorations.net/>   2. mailto:guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')>   3. 
>> mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com 
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>> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>   5. 
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>> 6. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')>   7. 
>> mailto:guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')>   8. 
>> mailto:gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> 
>> 9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')>  10. 
>> mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('DeTomaso at poca.com')>  11. 
>> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 
>> <http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com>  12. 
>> mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('DeTomaso at poca.com')>  13. 
>> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com 
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>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 20 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 16:50:07 +0000 (UTC) From: B Hower 
>> < b.hower3400 at yahoo.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('b.hower3400 at yahoo.com')> 
>>> To: De Tomaso List < detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> > 
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 91 Merc parts Message-ID:    < 
>> 749672874.510825.1452790207343.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('749672874.510825.1452790207343.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com')> 
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> Hi all, I am scrapping a 91 Merc Marque. If anyone would happen to 
>> need any parts
> from same,,,,contact me off forum.
>> ?Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not 
>> be !
> )
>> -------------- next part --------------   Hi all,   I am scrapping a 
>> 91 Merc Marque. If anyone would happen to need any   parts from 
>> same,,,,contact me off forum.
>>  Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not 
>> be   ! )
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 21 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:26:12 -0500 From: Rob Dumoulin < 
>> rob at dumoulins.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> > 
>> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List < DeTomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('DeTomaso at poca.com')> > 
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts 
>> Message-ID: < 
>> CAEr4y_vxSUkwzguCsUO6EJwL3z5uDV7+GGdEiL6YXMPoB4H1jw at mail.gmail.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('CAEr4y_vxSUkwzguCsUO6EJwL3z5uDV7 
>> GGdEiL6YXMPoB4H1jw at mail.gmail.com')> > Content-Type: text/plain; 
>> charset="utf-8"
>> Following Bud's lead,
>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in 
>> Northwest Florida.  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M 
>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8) that 
>> I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any 
>> profit
> he
>> makes from it.  He is making it pretty to sell.  Catch it quick before 
>> he sinks money into it for a better deal.
>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.  Contact me off list 
>> if you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
>> Rob 904.476.8744 -------------- next part --------------   Following 
>> Bud's lead,   The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out 
>> to pasture in   Northwest Florida.A  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M 
>> body, M rims, M   transmission, and M suspension package, but a 
>> regular M62 4.4 V8) that   I have dropped off at my mechanic and 
>> advised him I would split any   profit he makes from it.A  He is 
>> making it pretty to sell.A  Catch it   quick before he sinks money 
>> into it for a better deal.   Buy it whole, or make it worth our time 
>> in parts.A  Contact me off list   if you want to know what it needs 
>> mechanically to be right again.   Rob   904.476.8744
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 22 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:35:44 -0500 From: "Mirril M. 
>> McMullen" < mirrilm at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('mirrilm at earthlink.net')> 
>>> To: "'Rob Dumoulin'" < rob at dumoulins.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> > 
>> Cc: "'Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List'" < DeTomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('DeTomaso at poca.com')> > 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts 
>> Message-ID: <009b01d14ef1$ff563660$fe02a320$@earthlink.net> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
>> Hmmm,
>> Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
>> /\/\///
>> -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [ 
>> mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com')> 
>> ] On Behalf Of Rob
> Dumoulin
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail 
>> List Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
>> Following Bud's lead,
>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in
> Northwest Florida.  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M
> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8) that I
> have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any profit 
> he
> makes from it.  He is making it pretty to sell.  Catch it quick before 
> he
> sinks money into it for a better deal.
>> 
>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.  Contact me off list 
>> if
> you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
>> 
>> Rob 904.476.8744
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 23 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:55:15 -0500 From: Rob Dumoulin < 
>> rob at dumoulins.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> > 
>> To: Mirril McMullen < mirrilm at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('mirrilm at earthlink.net')> 
>>> Cc: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List < DeTomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('DeTomaso at poca.com')> > 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts 
>> Message-ID:    < 
>> CAEr4y_tsVfHd1sESiSVDnm-VZD7x5PkuiCm2OTmAZ1mJ7ZkmCw at mail.gmail.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('CAEr4y_tsVfHd1sESiSVDnm-VZD7x5PkuiCm2OTmAZ1mJ7ZkmCw at mail.gmail.com')> 
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> Not at all.  Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few years 
>> ago. Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff.  Always 
>> got synthetic oil changes regular.
>> 240K miles and a transmission that will not go into reverse when 
>> engine is hot was the kicker.  That and the interior is showing age.
>> Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still glides 
>> down the road.
>> Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 rob at dumoulins.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> 
>> www.kbsi.co <http://www.kbsi.co> 
>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
> < mirrilm at earthlink.net 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('mirrilm at earthlink.net')> >
>> wrote:
>>> Hmmm,
>>> Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
>>> /\/\///
>>> -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [ 
>>> mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com')> 
>>> ] On Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM 
>>> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 
>>> 740i Sport for whole or parts
>>> Following Bud's lead,
>>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in 
>>> Northwest Florida.  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M 
>>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8) 
>>> that I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split 
>>> any profit
> he
>>> makes from it.  He is making it pretty to sell.  Catch it quick 
>>> before he sinks money into it for a better deal.
>>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.  Contact me off 
>>> list if you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right 
>>> again.
>>> Rob 904.476.8744
>> -------------- next part --------------   Not at all.A  Cam chain, 
>> tensioner, waterpump all changed a few years   ago. A   Also, new fan 
>> clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff.A  Always got   synthetic oil 
>> changes regular.   240K miles and a transmission that will not go into 
>> reverse when engine   is hot was the kicker.A  That and the interior 
>> is showing age.A   Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS 
>> sensor but still glides   down the road.
>>  Rob DuMoulin   904.476.8744   [1] rob at dumoulins.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> 
>> [2] www.kbsi.co <http://www.kbsi.co>   [3] 
>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58>   On Thu, Jan 14, 
>> 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen   <[4] mirrilm at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('mirrilm at earthlink.net')> 
>>> wrote:
>>   Hmmm,     Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover? 
>> /\/\///
>>  -----Original Message-----   From: DeTomaso [ 
>> mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com')> 
>> ] On Behalf Of Rob   Dumoulin   Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 
>> PM   To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List   Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 
>> BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts   Following Bud's lead,   The finest 
>> road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in   Northwest 
>> Florida.A  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M 
>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8) that 
>> I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any 
>> profit he makes from it.A  He is making it pretty to sell.A  Catch it 
>> quick before he sinks money into it for a better deal.   Buy it whole, 
>> or make it worth our time in parts.A  Contact me off list   if you 
>> want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.   Rob 
>> 904.476.8744
>> References
>>  1. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')>   2. 
>> http://www.kbsi.co/ <http://www.kbsi.co/>   3. 
>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58>   4. 
>> mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('mirrilm at earthlink.net')> 
>> 5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com')>
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 24 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:56:57 -0500 From: Rob Dumoulin < 
>> rob at dumoulins.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> > 
>> To: Mirril McMullen < mirrilm at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('mirrilm at earthlink.net')> 
>>> Cc: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List < DeTomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('DeTomaso at poca.com')> > 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts 
>> Message-ID:    <CAEr4y_ubKH1kTNF61wqfS+TpW+q2OPZuP=uwOjq5Y= 
>> FhZt-Apw at mail.gmail.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('FhZt-Apw at mail.gmail.com')> 
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> Forgot to add....I have 6 cars. I do not need 6 cars.
>> Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 rob at dumoulins.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> 
>> www.kbsi.co <http://www.kbsi.co> 
>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58>
>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Rob Dumoulin < rob at dumoulins.net 
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> Not at all.  Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few years 
>>> ago. Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff.  Always 
>>> got synthetic oil changes regular.
>>> 240K miles and a transmission that will not go into reverse when 
>>> engine
> is
>>> hot was the kicker.  That and the interior is showing age.
>>> Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still glides
> down
>>> the road.
>>> Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 rob at dumoulins.net 
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> 
>>> www.kbsi.co <http://www.kbsi.co> 
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 
>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58>
>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen < 
>>> mirrilm at earthlink.net 
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('mirrilm at earthlink.net')> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Hmmm,
>>>> Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
>>>> /\/\///
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [ 
>>>> mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 
>>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com')> 
>>>> ] On Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 
>>>> PM To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 
>>>> 740i Sport for whole or parts
>>>> Following Bud's lead,
>>>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in 
>>>> Northwest Florida.  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, 
>>>> M transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8) 
>>>> that I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split 
>>>> any profit
> he
>>>> makes from it.  He is making it pretty to sell.  Catch it quick 
>>>> before
> he
>>>> sinks money into it for a better deal.
>>>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.  Contact me off 
>>>> list
> if
>>>> you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
>>>> Rob 904.476.8744
>> -------------- next part --------------   Forgot to add....I have 6 
>> cars.A  I do not need 6 cars.
>>  Rob DuMoulin   904.476.8744  [1] rob at dumoulins.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> 
>> [2] www.kbsi.co <http://www.kbsi.co>   [3] 
>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58>   On Thu, Jan 14, 
>> 2016 at 12:55 PM, Rob Dumoulin <[4] rob at dumoulins.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> > 
>> wrote:
>>  Not at all.A  Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few 
>> years   ago. A   Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other 
>> stuff.A  Always got   synthetic oil changes regular.   240K miles and 
>> a transmission that will not go into reverse when engine   is hot was 
>> the kicker.A  That and the interior is showing age.A   Needs two new 
>> coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still glides   down the 
>> road.
>>  Rob DuMoulin   [5]904.476.8744   [6] rob at dumoulins.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> 
>> [7] www.kbsi.co <http://www.kbsi.co>   [8] 
>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58>   On Thu, Jan 14, 
>> 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen   <[9] mirrilm at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('mirrilm at earthlink.net')> 
>>> wrote:
>>   Hmmm,     Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover? 
>> /\/\///
>>  -----Original Message-----   From: DeTomaso [ 
>> mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com')> 
>> ] On Behalf Of Rob   Dumoulin   Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 
>> PM   To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List   Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 
>> BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts   Following Bud's lead,   The finest 
>> road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in   Northwest 
>> Florida.A  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M 
>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8) that 
>> I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any 
>> profit he makes from it.A  He is making it pretty to sell.A  Catch it 
>> quick before he sinks money into it for a better deal.   Buy it whole, 
>> or make it worth our time in parts.A  Contact me off list   if you 
>> want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.   Rob 
>> [11]904.476.8744
>> References
>>  1. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')>   2. 
>> http://www.kbsi.co/ <http://www.kbsi.co/>   3. 
>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58>   4. 
>> mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')>   5. 
>> tel:904.476.8744   6. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')>   7. 
>> http://www.kbsi.co/ <http://www.kbsi.co/>   8. 
>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58>   9. 
>> mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('mirrilm at earthlink.net')> 
>> 10. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com')> 
>> 11. tel:904.476.8744
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 25 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 18:08:58 +0000 (UTC) From: marshall 
>> smith < marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net')> 
>>> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' < guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> >,  < 
>> gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> >, 
>> Stephen < steve at snclocks.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> > 
>> Cc: < detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> > 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID:  < 
>> 819779826.4191306.1452794938797.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('819779826.4191306.1452794938797.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com')> 
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>> Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill! 
>> -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen 
>> < steve at snclocks.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('steve at snclocks.com')> > 
>> wrote:
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" < 
>> guson at home.se 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> >, 
>> gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> 
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> 
>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
>> ???Whilst `inelegant', at least the stock system works well.? I 
>> installed ???Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the 
>> originals on the ???back.? I did have the originals coated black - 
>> heck, doesn't look that ???bad.
>> 
>> ???Stephen Nelson
>> 
>> ???-----Original Message----- ???From: DeTomaso [ 
>> mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com')> 
>> ] On Behalf Of Tomas ???Gunnarsson ???Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 
>> 2016 8:03 AM ???To: gaino at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> 
>> ???Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> 
>> ???Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> 
>> ???That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency 
>> brake ???and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car 
>> with the ???brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>> ???Tomas
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>> ???<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
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>   Dear Jack,
> 
>           You wrote:
> 
>                             " the stock al-asbestos-al heat shield. "
> 
>    $$$$$$$$   Ah-hah!   I thought that there was some asbestos in there
>   somewhere, but I could not be sure. Obviously, it is sandwiched between
>   the aluminum layers.  Thanks for bolstering my fuzzy memory.
> 
>                           Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
> 
>   From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> 
>   To: 'tom ware' <ace595 at hotmail.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> 
>   Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 5:26 pm
> 
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16
> 
>   Dear Tom,
> 
>   I am not an expert, but....
> 
>   last year I removed the gas tank from my late '74 Pantera, which has
>   had the
> 
>   stainless steel treatment for the last twenty five years.  Behind the
>   bling
> 
>   is the base stock thick aluminum(?) which is not a single layer. There
>   are
> 
>   at least two layers and there *might* be a layer in between.  That is
>   my
> 
>   guess and I will defer to an expert.
> 
>   I think that the normal stainless steel shield installation is over the
> 
>   stock one.  Perhaps it is heavier, but it would tend to further shield
>   the
> 
>   gas tank from the headers' heat.
> 
>   Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
> 
>   From: DeTomaso [ [1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of tom
>   ware
> 
>   Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:58 PM
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>   To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
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>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16
> 
>   Gas tank shield ?
> 
>   I have a new stainless steel shield that came with my project.
> 
>   Is it the norm to insulate it for heat.?
> 
>   Thanks
> 
>   Tom
> 
>   Sent from my iPhone
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> 
>>  1. Re: parking brakes (Tomas Gunnarsson)
> 
>>  2. Re: parking brakes ( [9]MikeLDrew at aol.com)
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>>  3. Re: parking brakes ( [10]MikeLDrew at aol.com)
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>>  4. Re: parking brakes ( [11]MikeLDrew at aol.com)
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>>  5. Re: Campagnolo Wheels ( [12]MikeLDrew at aol.com)
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>>  6. Re: parking brakes (Stephen)
> 
>>  7. Re: parking brakes (L GRAY)
> 
>>  8. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (Michael Shortt)
> 
>> 9. Re: parking brakes (Tomas Gunnarsson)
> 
>> 10. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (Larry Stock)
> 
>> 11. Re: parking brakes (Charles McCall)
> 
>> 12. Re: parking brakes (Tomas Gunnarsson)
> 
>> 13. Re: parking brakes (Charles McCall)
> 
>> 14. Re: parking brakes (Thomas Tornblom)
> 
>> 15. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (marshall smith)
> 
>> 16. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (marshall smith)
> 
>> 17. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (Michael Shortt)
> 
>> 18. Re: parking brakes (Ken Green)
> 
>> 19. Re: parking brakes (Scott Bell)
> 
>> 20. NPC 91 Merc parts (B Hower)
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>> 21. NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts (Rob Dumoulin)
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>> 22. Re: NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
> 
>>     (Mirril M. McMullen)
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>> 23. Re: NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts (Rob Dumoulin)
> 
>> 24. Re: NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts (Rob Dumoulin)
> 
>> 25. Re: parking brakes (marshall smith)
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>> Message: 1
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>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:27:31 -0800
> 
>> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" < [13]guson at home.se>
> 
>> To: < [14]gaino at earthlink.net>
> 
>> Cc: < [15]steve at snclocks.com>,    < [16]detomaso at poca.com>
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> Message-ID: < [17]46D238640B764EE3A581C2544BE74A80 at mail2world.com>
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
>> 
> 
>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side of
> 
>> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that
>   not
> 
>> all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only newer
> 
>> cars that suffer from that.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Tomas
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> 
>> 
> 
>>       From: bill gaino [ [18]gaino at earthlink.net]
> 
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 6:13:51 PM
> 
>> To: [19]steve at snclocks.com; [20]guson at home.se
> 
>> Cc: [21]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position to
>   use
> 
>> as Ebrake?  He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired on
> 
>> the rear mounts..Bill 1362
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>   -----Original Message-----
> 
>>   From: Stephen
> 
>>   Sent: Jan 13, 2016 11:21 AM
> 
>>   To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' , [22]gaino at earthlink.net
> 
>>   Cc: [23]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>>   Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>   Whilst 'inelegant', at least the stock system works well.  I
> 
>> installed Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals
>   on
> 
>> the back.  I did have the originals coated black - heck, doesn't look
> 
>> that bad.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>   Stephen Nelson
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>   -----Original Message-----
> 
>>   From: DeTomaso [ [24]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
>   Of
> 
>> Tomas Gunnarsson
> 
>>   Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
> 
>>   To: [25]gaino at earthlink.net
> 
>>   Cc: [26]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>   That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
> 
>> brake and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car
>   with
> 
>> the brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>   Tomas
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>                                 From: bill gaino
> 
>> [ [27]gaino at earthlink.net]
> 
>> 
> 
>>   Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
> 
>> 
> 
>>   To: [28]detomaso at poca.com< [29]mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
> 
>> 
> 
>>   Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>   Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that
> 
>> that blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against
> 
>> the rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake
> 
>> calipers..
> 
>> 
> 
>>   like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
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>> <
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>> f>
> 
>> 
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>>   =ts
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>>  Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side
>   of
> 
>>  the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that
>   not
> 
>>  all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only
>   newer
> 
>>  cars that suffer from that.
> 
>> 
> 
>>  Tomas
> 
>>  <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> 
>>      From: bill gaino [ [40]gaino at earthlink.net]
> 
>>  Sent: 13/1/2016 6:13:51 PM
> 
>>  To: [41]steve at snclocks.com; [42]guson at home.se
> 
>>  Cc: [43]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>>  Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>>  Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position to
>   use
> 
>>  as Ebrake?  He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired
>   on
> 
>>  the rear mounts..Bill 1362
> 
>> 
> 
>>    -----Original Message-----
> 
>>    From: Stephen
> 
>>    Sent: Jan 13, 2016 11:21 AM
> 
>>    To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' , [44]gaino at earthlink.net
> 
>>    Cc: [45]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>>    Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> 
> 
>>  Whilst `inelegant', at least the stock system works well.  I
>   installed
> 
>>  Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals on the
> 
>>  back.  I did have the originals coated black - heck, doesn't look
>   that
> 
>>  bad.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>  Stephen Nelson
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>  -----Original Message-----
> 
>>  From: DeTomaso [ [46]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
>   Tomas
> 
>>  Gunnarsson
> 
>>  Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
> 
>>  To: [47]gaino at earthlink.net
> 
>>  Cc: [48]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>  That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
>   brake
> 
>>  and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with
>   the
> 
>>  brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
> 
>> 
> 
>>  Tomas
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>  <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>                                From: bill gaino [
>   [49]gaino at earthlink.net]
> 
>> 
> 
>>  Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
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>> 
> 
>>  To: [1] [50]detomaso at poca.com
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>> 
> 
>>  Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>  Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that
>   that
> 
>>  blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against
>   the
> 
>>  rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake
>   calipers..
> 
>> 
> 
>>  like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>  [2]
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>> Message: 2
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>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:51:53 -0500
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>> From: [62]MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 
>> To: [63]guson at home.se, [64]gaino at earthlink.net
> 
>> Cc: [65]detomaso at poca.com
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
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>> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, [67]guson at home.sewrites:
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
>   brake
> 
>>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the
> 
>>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
> 
>> 
> 
>>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock.   He's asking
>   about an
> 
>> (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the
>   OEMs and
> 
>   is
> 
>> in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective to satisfy
> 
>> government regulations worldwide).   Such systems are now available
>   in the
> 
>> aftermarket.
> 
>> 
> 
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
> 
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
>   mechanical
> 
>   'arm' that
> 
>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake?   Does anybody know that
>   for
> 
>   sure?
> 
>> 
> 
>> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient
>   to
> 
>   hold
> 
>> a car for any length of time; they are designed for very short-term
>   use
> 
>> only.   Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than an inch)
> 
>   crashing
> 
>> into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow it and the fool
> 
>   parked it
> 
>> overnight on a slope in neutral with the line lock engaged.   As the
> 
>   brakes
> 
>> cooled at night, they released and the car rolled through a lot
>   crowded
> 
>   with
> 
>> collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a hedge
>   and
> 
>   down
> 
>> into a ditch!   Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been
>   very bad
> 
>> indeed.
> 
>> 
> 
>> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
>   much
> 
>> more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would
>   still
> 
>   hold
> 
>> pressure even as the fluid cooled.   However, it would not serve as a
> 
>   proper
> 
>> emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal blew
>   out in
> 
>   a
> 
>> caliper) whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages the
> 
>> components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30
>   years...park
> 
>> wisely and hope for the best!)
> 
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> 
>>  In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, [68]guson at home.sewrites:
> 
>> 
> 
>>    That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
> 
>>    brake
> 
>>    and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with
>   the
> 
>>    brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
> 
>> 
> 
>>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock.  He's asking about
> 
>>  an (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by
>   the
> 
>>  OEMs and is in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently
>   effective
> 
>>  to satisfy government regulations worldwide).  Such systems are now
> 
>>  available in the aftermarket.
> 
>>  I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
>   by
> 
>>  pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
>   mechanical
> 
>>  'arm' that is pulling on a mechanical parking brake?  Does anybody
>   know
> 
>>  that for sure?
> 
>>  You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient
>   to
> 
>>  hold a car for any length of time; they are designed for very
> 
>>  short-term use only.  Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less
>   than
> 
>>  an inch) crashing into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend
>   borrow
> 
>>  it and the fool parked it overnight on a slope in neutral with the
>   line
> 
>>  lock engaged.  As the brakes cooled at night, they released and the
>   car
> 
>>  rolled through a lot crowded with collector cars, brushed past the
> 
>>  Aston and crashed through a hedge and down into a ditch!
>   Fortunately
> 
>>  it was unhurt, but it could have been very bad indeed.
> 
>>  A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
>   much
> 
>>  more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would
>   still
> 
>>  hold pressure even as the fluid cooled.  However, it would not
>   serve as
> 
>>  a proper emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure (say, a
>   seal
> 
>>  blew out in a caliper) whereas a cable-type system that
>   mechanically
> 
>>  leverages the components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to
>   work.
> 
>>  Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30
>   years...park
> 
>>  wisely and hope for the best!)
> 
>> 
> 
>> ------------------------------
> 
>> 
> 
>> Message: 3
> 
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:51:57 -0500
> 
>> From: [69]MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 
>> To: [70]gaino at earthlink.net, [71]steve at snclocks.com,
>   [72]guson at home.se
> 
>> Cc: [73]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> Message-ID: < [74]72fdc9.23690f23.43c804dd at aol.com>
> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, [75]gaino at earthlink.netwrites:
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>> ?? Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position
>   to
> 
>>> use
> 
>>> ?? as Ebrake?? He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey
>   wired on
> 
>>> ?? the rear mounts.
> 
>> 
> 
>>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.   The
> 
>> calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear of
>   the
> 
>> wheelwell.   If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no
>   longer
> 
>   fit, plus if
> 
>> longer ones were used, they would foul the driveshafts on their way
> 
>> forward.   The only possible way to make a system like that work
>   would be
> 
>   to
> 
>> reposition the cables so they entered the wheelwells ahead of,
>   instead of
> 
>   behind
> 
>> the hub carriers, and there would be a fair bit of engineering
>   involved.
> 
>   I
> 
>> suppose it might be possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial
> 
>   exercise.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Mike
> 
>> -------------- next part --------------
> 
>>  In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, [76]gaino at earthlink.netwrites:
> 
>> 
> 
>>       Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front
>   position
> 
>>    to use
> 
>>       as Ebrake?  He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey
> 
>>    wired on
> 
>>       the rear mounts.
> 
>> 
> 
>>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.  The
> 
>>  calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear
>   of
> 
>>  the wheelwell.  If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no
> 
>>  longer fit, plus if longer ones were used, they would foul the
> 
>>  driveshafts on their way forward.  The only possible way to make a
> 
>>  system like that work would be to reposition the cables so they
>   entered
> 
>>  the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind the hub carriers, and
>   there
> 
>>  would be a fair bit of engineering involved.  I suppose it might be
> 
>>  possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial exercise.
> 
>>  Mike
> 
>> 
> 
>> ------------------------------
> 
>> 
> 
>> Message: 4
> 
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:52:03 -0500
> 
>> From: [77]MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 
>> To: [78]guson at home.se, [79]gaino at earthlink.net
> 
>> Cc: [80]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> Message-ID: < [81]72fddd.5edc2feb.43c804e3 at aol.com>
> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, [82]guson at home.sewrites:
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side
>   of
> 
>>> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that
>   not
> 
>>> all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only
>   newer
> 
>>> cars that suffer from that.
> 
>> 
> 
>>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes only
>   on
> 
>> one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a
>   production
> 
>> standpoint).
> 
>> 
> 
>> Mike
> 
>> -------------- next part --------------
> 
>>  In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, [83]guson at home.sewrites:
> 
>> 
> 
>>    Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front
>   side
> 
>>    of
> 
>>    the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard
>   that
> 
>>    not
> 
>>   all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only
> 
>>    newer
> 
>> cars that suffer from that.
> 
>> 
> 
>>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes only
> 
>>  on one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a
> 
>>  production standpoint).
> 
>>  Mike
> 
>> 
> 
>> ------------------------------
> 
>> 
> 
>> Message: 5
> 
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 15:19:19 -0500
> 
>> From: [84]MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 
>> To: [85]davel at emspace.com, [86]detomaso at poca.com,
>   [87]michael at michaelshortt.com
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
> 
>> Message-ID: < [88]73161a.56810af3.43c80b47 at aol.com>
> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [89]davel at emspace.comwrites:
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.
> 
>>> I think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
> 
>>> unsprung weight for track use?
> 
>>> dave
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>> Interesting.   This was apparently a reply to an original post by
> 
>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
>   wind up
> 
>   in my
> 
>> spam folder?
> 
>> 
> 
>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,
> 
>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
>   below:
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:
> 
>>>> ? ?? Greetings,
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>> ? ?? After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>   inventory
> 
>>> today,
> 
>>>> ? ?? I have 21 Campy wheels,
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>>> ? ?? 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>   Triple
> 
>>>> ? ?? Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
>   for
> 
>>> Hall
> 
>>>> ? ?? Pantera.
> 
>> 
> 
>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?   He did
>   make
> 
>> them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some
>   markedly
> 
>> better than others.   Can you share some images perhaps to help in
> 
>> identification?
> 
>> 
> 
>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were
> 
>   welded
> 
>> together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
> 
>> 
> 
>>>>> ? ?? And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>> What kind of wheels are those?   10 spokes is a pretty vague
> 
>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
>   they
> 
>   have at least. :>
> 
>> )
> 
>> 
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>> ? ?? I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
> 
>>>> ? ?? And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>   Rally
> 
>   and
> 
>>>> ? ?? Track use.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
> 
>   wheels
> 
>> which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
>   spinner?
> 
>> Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the latter being the
>   only
> 
>> genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever encountered).
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>>> ? ?? I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
> 
>>> Blackwalls
> 
>>>> ? ?? and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>   With a
> 
>>> spare
> 
>>>> ? ?? Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>> Sounds good!
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>>> ? ?? That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
>   Sell
> 
>>> or
> 
>>>> ? ?? Trade. Photos Available.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?   What kind are
>   they?
> 
>> Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
>   wheels?
> 
>> 
> 
>>>> ? ?? I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.   These
>   were
> 
>> an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.   I
>   have no
> 
>> idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any other
>   car
> 
>> wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very small
>   indeed.
> 
>   Even
> 
>> 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels.
> 
>> 
> 
>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels
>   to
> 
>> appear. :>)
> 
>> 
> 
>>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>   Campy
> 
>>>> ? ?? Wheel education.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
>   your
> 
>> aftermarket wheels.   Simply put, I would never wish three-piece Hall
> 
>   wheels
> 
>> on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.   We
>   collectively
> 
>   know
> 
>> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and a
> 
>   potential
> 
>> accident.   Jack has often told of the car that was zorching down Mt.
>   Ch
> 
>> arleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his Hall
>   wheel
> 
>> dismantled himself; I believe it thrust the car into the scenery, but
> 
>   can't
> 
>> remember that aspect of the story for sure.   Jack?
> 
>> 
> 
>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to
>   sell;
> 
>> a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and he
>   had to
> 
>> tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked halfway
> 
>   around.
> 
>> The other three wheels had similar cracks when they were taken apart
>   and
> 
>> inspected.
> 
>> 
> 
>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
>   wheel;
> 
>> when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the freeway
>   in Los
> 
>> Angeles.   What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the brake
>   line
> 
>   was
> 
>> damaged.   MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran the
>   Silver
> 
>> State a day or two later, but when he stepped on the brakes at the
>   finish
> 
>> line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest
>   was
> 
>> history.
> 
>> 
> 
>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
>   woefully
> 
>> under-engineered, and today should be related either to a display
>   case, or
> 
>   a
> 
>> recycling bin IMHO....
> 
>> 
> 
>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as
>   the
> 
>> Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with, admittedly)
>   are
> 
>> nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
> 
>> 
> 
>>>>> ? ?? Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
> 
>>> primer,
> 
>>>> ? ?? I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
>   see
> 
>>> the
> 
>>>> ? ?? final results.
> 
>>>> ? ?? Photo attached.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
> 
>> either....
> 
>> 
> 
>> Cheers!
> 
>> 
> 
>> Mike
> 
>> -------------- next part --------------
> 
>>  In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [90]davel at emspace.comwrites:
> 
>> 
> 
>>    My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.
> 
>>    I think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about
>   the
> 
>>    unsprung weight for track use?
> 
>>    dave
> 
>> 
> 
>>>>> Interesting.  This was apparently a reply to an original post by
> 
>>  Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
>   wind
> 
>>  up in my spam folder?
> 
>>  I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,
> 
>>  thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
>   below:
> 
>> 
> 
>>>    On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:
> 
>>>   Greetings,
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>   After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
> 
>>    inventory today,
> 
>>>   I have 21 Campy wheels,
> 
>> 
> 
>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
> 
>> 
> 
>>>   5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
> 
>>    Triple
> 
>>>   Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
> 
>>    for Hall
> 
>>>   Pantera.
> 
>> 
> 
>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?  He did
> 
>>  make them for several other vendors, in several different styles,
>   some
> 
>>  markedly better than others.  Can you share some images perhaps to
>   help
> 
>>  in identification?
> 
>>  Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that
>   were
> 
>>  welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
> 
>> 
> 
>>>>   And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
> 
>> 
> 
>>>>> What kind of wheels are those?  10 spokes is a pretty vague
> 
>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
>   they
> 
>>  have at least. :>)
> 
>> 
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>   I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
> 
>>>   And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
> 
>>    Rally and
> 
>>>   Track use.
> 
>> 
> 
>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
> 
>>  wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
>   center
> 
>>  spinner?  Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the
>   latter
> 
>>  being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever
> 
>>  encountered).
> 
>> 
> 
>>>   I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
> 
>>    Blackwalls
> 
>>>   and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
> 
>>    With a spare
> 
>>>   Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
> 
>> 
> 
>>>>> Sounds good!
> 
>> 
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>   That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
> 
>>    Sell or
> 
>>>   Trade. Photos Available.
> 
>> 
> 
>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?  What kind are
> 
>>  they?  Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some
>   L-model
> 
>>  wheels?
> 
>> 
> 
>>>   I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
> 
>> 
> 
>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.  These
> 
>>  were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.
>   I
> 
>>  have no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen
>   any
> 
>> other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very
> 
>>  small indeed.  Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had
>   single
> 
>>  slot wheels.
> 
>>  So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot
>   wheels
> 
>>  to appear. :>)
> 
>> 
> 
>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
> 
>>    Campy
> 
>>>   Wheel education.
> 
>> 
> 
>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
> 
>>  your aftermarket wheels.  Simply put, I would never wish
>   three-piece
> 
>>  Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.
>   We
> 
>>  collectively know about multiple failures, which always led to
>   rapid
> 
>>  deflation and a potential accident.  Jack has often told of the car
> 
>>  that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit
> 
>>  speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe
>   it
> 
>>  thrust the car into the scenery, but can't remember that aspect of
>   the
> 
>>  story for sure.  Jack?
> 
>>  Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying
>   to
> 
>>  sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!)
>   and
> 
>>  he had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had
>   cracked
> 
>>  halfway around.  The other three wheels had similar cracks when
>   they
> 
>>  were taken apart and inspected.
> 
>>  And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
> 
>>  wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the
> 
>> freeway in Los Angeles.  What wasn't seen was that during the
>   collapse,
> 
>>  the brake line was damaged.  MD swapped his stock wheels w/race
>   tires
> 
>>  on and ran the Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped
>   on
> 
>>  the brakes at the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed
>   onto
> 
>>  the exhaust and the rest was history.
> 
>>  And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
> 
>>  Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
>   woefully
> 
>>  under-engineered, and today should be related either to a display
>   case,
> 
>>  or a recycling bin IMHO....
> 
>>  So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here,
>   as
> 
>>  the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,
> 
>>  admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
> 
>> 
> 
>>>>   Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
> 
>>    primer,
> 
>>>   I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
> 
>>    see the
> 
>>>   final results.
> 
>>>   Photo attached.
> 
>> 
> 
>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
> 
>>  either....
> 
>>  Cheers!
> 
>>  Mike
> 
>> 
> 
>> ------------------------------
> 
>> 
> 
>> Message: 6
> 
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:23:56 -0800
> 
>> From: "Stephen" < [91]steve at snclocks.com>
> 
>> To: < [92]MikeLDrew at aol.com>,    < [93]gaino at earthlink.net>,    <
>   [94]guson at home.se>
> 
>> Cc: < [95]detomaso at poca.com>
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> Message-ID: <00d501d14e40$54625920$fd270b60$@snclocks.com>
> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
>> 
> 
>> When I was going through my brakes I wanted to clean out the e-brake
> 
>> housings and the cables.  So, I cut off the cable ends, took
>   everything
> 
>> apart, took all the old plastic sheath off the housings, replaced
>   with
> 
>   heavy
> 
>> shrink-to-fit, cut the housings to be a better fit with less excess
> 
>   length,
> 
>> lubed with graphite-impregnated grease, then put new ends on the
>   cables to
> 
>> match the length that they needed to be.  Went together very nicely.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> It would have been pretty much as simple to change length to match a
>   front
> 
>> mounting for the originals, but would have likely required cutting a
>   pair
> 
>   of
> 
>> holes in the sheet metal - I hate extra holes.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> For what all that is worth.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> Stephen Nelson
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> From: [96]MikeLDrew at aol.com[ [97]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:52 AM
> 
>> To: [98]gaino at earthlink.net; [99]steve at snclocks.com;
>   [100]guson at home.se
> 
>> Cc: [101]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, [102]gaino at earthlink.net
> 
>> < [103]mailto:gaino at earthlink.net>  writes:
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>  Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position to
>   use
> 
>>  as Ebrake?  He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired
>   on
> 
>>  the rear mounts.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.  The
> 
>   calipers
> 
>> are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear of the
> 
>   wheelwell.
> 
>> If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no longer fit, plus
>   if
> 
>> longer ones were used, they would foul the driveshafts on their way
> 
>   forward.
> 
>> The only possible way to make a system like that work would be to
> 
>   reposition
> 
>> the cables so they entered the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind
>   the
> 
>> hub carriers, and there would be a fair bit of engineering involved.
>   I
> 
>> suppose it might be possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial
> 
>   exercise.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Mike
> 
>> 
> 
>> -------------- next part --------------
> 
>> When I was going through my brakes I wanted to clean out the e-brake
> 
>>  housings and the cables.  So, I cut off the cable ends, took
>   everything
> 
>>  apart, took all the old plastic sheath off the housings, replaced
>   with
> 
>>  heavy shrink-to-fit, cut the housings to be a better fit with less
> 
>>  excess length, lubed with graphite-impregnated grease, then put new
> 
>>  ends on the cables to match the length that they needed to be.
>   Went
> 
>>  together very nicely.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>  It would have been pretty much as simple to change length to match
>   a
> 
>>  front mounting for the originals, but would have likely required
> 
>>  cutting a pair of holes in the sheet metal - I hate extra holes...
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>  For what all that is worth.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>  Stephen Nelson
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>  From: [104]MikeLDrew at aol.com[ [105]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
> 
>>  Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:52 AM
> 
>>  To: [106]gaino at earthlink.net; [107]steve at snclocks.com;
>   [108]guson at home.se
> 
>>  Cc: [109]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>  In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, [1]
>   [110]gaino at earthlink.netwrites:
> 
>> 
> 
>>       Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front
>   position
> 
>>    to use
> 
>>       as Ebrake?  He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey
> 
>>    wired on
> 
>>       the rear mounts.
> 
>> 
> 
>>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.  The
> 
>>  calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear
>   of
> 
>>  the wheelwell.  If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no
> 
>>  longer fit, plus if longer ones were used, they would foul the
> 
>>  driveshafts on their way forward.  The only possible way to make a
> 
>>  system like that work would be to reposition the cables so they
>   entered
> 
>>  the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind the hub carriers, and
>   there
> 
>>  would be a fair bit of engineering involved.  I suppose it might be
> 
>>  possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial exercise.
> 
>>  Mike
> 
>> 
> 
>> References
> 
>> 
> 
>>  1. [111]mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
> 
>> 
> 
>> ------------------------------
> 
>> 
> 
>> Message: 7
> 
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 21:07:23 +0000
> 
>> From: L GRAY < [112]tipo874a at msn.com>
> 
>> To: " [113]MikeLDrew at aol.com" < [114]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> 
>> Cc: " [115]guson at home.se" < [116]guson at home.se>, "
>   [117]gaino at earthlink.net"
> 
>>   < [118]gaino at earthlink.net>, " [119]detomaso at poca.com" <
>   [120]detomaso at poca.com>
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> Message-ID:
> 
>> 
> 
>   <
>   [121]BLUPR19MB0163500785FD9792060E49A29DCB0 at BLUPR19MB0163.namprd19.prod
>   .outlook.
> 
>   com>
> 
>> 
> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> Hate to disagree here Mike. The only uprights that were produced for
>   a
> 
>   Pantera that were right or left handed were "some" of Hall Pantera's
> 
>   aluminum uprights, and they originally had mounts on front and rear.
>   For
> 
>   some reason later on in production they were built without both sets of
> 
>   ears.......... never understood why .......as you said dumb idea !!
> 
>>     The Group 4 uprights were manufactured with both sets of ears.
>   Some
> 
>   of you may not know that the GT 5 and the GT 5-S rear uprights were
>   taken
> 
>   from the competition Group 4 spares inventory.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Leslie A. Gray
> 
>> 
> 
>>> On Jan 13, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <
>   [122]detomaso at poca.com>
> 
>   wrote:
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, [123]guson at home.sewrites:
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>   Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front
>   side
> 
>>>   of
> 
>>>   the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard
>   that
> 
>>>   not
> 
>>>   all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only
> 
>>>   newer
> 
>>>   cars that suffer from that.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes
>   only
> 
>>> on one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a
> 
>>> production standpoint).
> 
>>> Mike
> 
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> 
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>> Message: 8
> 
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 16:20:31 -0500
> 
>> From: Michael Shortt < [126]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> 
>> To: 576103 < [127]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> 
>> Cc: Dave Londry < [128]davel at emspace.com>, " [129]detomaso at poca.com"
> 
>>   < [130]detomaso at poca.com>
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
> 
>> Message-ID:
> 
>>   <CAEWtxWrnqwjnrhKaKWzkxyc4SnmmwfoeAk1gHft7eVUsB=
>   [131]Di5Q at mail.gmail.com>
> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
>> 
> 
>> none of my wheels are assembled ( fasteners) 3 piece wheels, all are
> 
>   welded
> 
>> or billet.
> 
>> 
> 
>> I have driven on the wheels on street, on track and on the Tail of
>   the
> 
>> Dragon and have had zero issues in 12 years with 2 different designs,
> 
>> not sure who mad ethe current wheels ( 10 spoke ), but they show no
>   signs
> 
>> of stress, damage either.
> 
>> 
> 
>> It may be my luck, it could be others bad luck, it could be misuse
>   and
> 
>> driving style.
> 
>> 
> 
>> My Dad owned 3 Audi 5000's, he never had any issues either, maybe
>   because
> 
>> he never pressed the gas instead of the brake.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> Michael Shortt
> 
>> 
> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, < [132]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [133]davel at emspace.comwrites:
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.
> 
>>> I think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
> 
>>> unsprung weight for track use?
> 
>>> dave
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Interesting.  This was apparently a reply to an original post by
> 
>>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
>   wind up
> 
>>> in my spam folder?
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,
> 
>>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
>   below:
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:
> 
>>>>   Greetings,
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>>   After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief inventory
> 
>>> today,
> 
>>>>   I have 21 Campy wheels,
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>   5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>   Triple
> 
>>>>   Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
>   for
> 
>>> Hall
> 
>>>>   Pantera.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?  He did
>   make
> 
>>> them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some
> 
>   markedly
> 
>>> better than others.  Can you share some images perhaps to help in
> 
>>> identification?
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were
> 
>>> welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>   And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> What kind of wheels are those?  10 spokes is a pretty vague
> 
>>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
>   they
> 
>   have
> 
>>> at least. :>)
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>>   I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
> 
>>>>   And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for Rally
>   and
> 
>>>>   Track use.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
> 
>>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
>   center
> 
>>> spinner?  Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the
>   latter
> 
>   being
> 
>>> the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever encountered).
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>   I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
> 
>>> Blackwalls
> 
>>>>   and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos, With
>   a
> 
>>> spare
> 
>>>>   Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Sounds good!
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>>>   That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
>   Sell or
> 
>>>>   Trade. Photos Available.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?  What kind are
>   they?
> 
>>> Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
>   wheels?
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>   I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.  These
>   were
> 
>>> an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.  I
>   have no
> 
>>> idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any other
>   car
> 
>>> wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very small
>   indeed.
> 
>>> Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had single slot
>   wheels.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot
>   wheels to
> 
>>> appear. :>)
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>   Campy
> 
>>>>   Wheel education.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
>   your
> 
>>> aftermarket wheels.  Simply put, I would never wish three-piece Hall
> 
>   wheels
> 
>>> on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.  We
>   collectively
> 
>   know
> 
>>> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and a
> 
>>> potential accident.  Jack has often told of the car that was
>   zorching
> 
>   down
> 
>>> Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his
>   Hall
> 
>>> wheel dismantled himself; I believe it thrust the car into the
>   scenery,
> 
>   but
> 
>>> can't remember that aspect of the story for sure.  Jack?
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to
> 
>   sell;
> 
>>> a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and he
>   had to
> 
>>> tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
>   halfway
> 
>>> around.  The other three wheels had similar cracks when they were
>   taken
> 
>>> apart and inspected.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
> 
>   wheel;
> 
>>> when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the freeway
>   in
> 
>   Los
> 
>>> Angeles.  What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the brake
>   line
> 
>   was
> 
>>> damaged.  MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran the
>   Silver
> 
>>> State a day or two later, but when he stepped on the brakes at the
>   finish
> 
>>> line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest
>   was
> 
>>> history.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
>   woefully
> 
>>> under-engineered, and today should be related either to a display
>   case,
> 
>   or
> 
>>> a recycling bin IMHO....
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as
>   the
> 
>>> Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with, admittedly)
>   are
> 
>>> nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>   Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
> 
>>> primer,
> 
>>>>   I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
>   see the
> 
>>>>   final results.
> 
>>>>   Photo attached.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
> 
>>> either....
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> Cheers!
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> Mike
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> --
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> Michael L. Shortt
> 
>> Savannah, Georgia
> 
>> [134]www.michaelshortt.com
> 
>> [135]michael at michaelshortt.com
> 
>> 912-232-9390
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
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> 
>>  none of my wheels are assembled ( fasteners) 3 piece wheels, all
>   are
> 
>>  welded or billet.
> 
>>  I have driven on the wheels on street, on track and on the Tail of
>   the
> 
>>  Dragon and have had zero issues in 12 years with 2 different
>   designs,
> 
>>  not sure who mad ethe current wheels ( 10 spoke ), but they show no
> 
>>  signs of stress, damage either.
> 
>>  It may be my luck, it could be others bad luck, it could be misuse
>   and
> 
>>  driving style.
> 
>>  My Dad owned 3 Audi 5000's, he never had any issues either, maybe
> 
>>  because he never pressed the gas instead of the brake.
> 
>>  Michael Shortt
> 
>> 
> 
>>  On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, <[1] [136]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>   wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
>>    In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [2]
>   [137]davel at emspace.comwrites:
> 
>>    My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.
> 
>>    I think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about
>   the
> 
>>    unsprung weight for track use?
> 
>>    dave
> 
>>>>> Interesting.A  This was apparently a reply to an original post by
> 
>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
> 
>>    wind up in my spam folder?
> 
>>    I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these
>   days....anyway,
> 
>>    thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
> 
>>    below:
> 
>>>    On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:
> 
>>> A  A A  Greetings,
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> A  A A  After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
> 
>>    inventory today,
> 
>>> A  A A  I have 21 Campy wheels,
> 
>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
> 
>> 
> 
>>> A  A A  5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
> 
>>    Triple
> 
>>> A  A A  Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels
> 
>>    made for Hall
> 
>>> A  A A  Pantera.
> 
>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?A  He did
> 
>>    make them for several other vendors, in several different styles,
> 
>>    some markedly better than others.A  Can you share some images
> 
>>    perhaps to help in identification?
> 
>>    Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that
>   were
> 
>>    welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
> 
>> 
> 
>>>> A  A A  And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and
> 
>>    245/40.
> 
>>>>> What kind of wheels are those?A  10 spokes is a pretty vague
> 
>>    descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
> 
>>    they have at least. :>)
> 
>> 
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> A  A A  I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
> 
>>> A  A A  And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
> 
>>    Rally and
> 
>>> A  A A  Track use.
> 
>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
> 
>>    wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
> 
>>    center spinner?A  Those are as different as chalk and cheese
>   (with
> 
>>    the latter being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've
> 
>>    ever encountered).
> 
>> 
> 
>>> A  A A  I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
> 
>>    Blackwalls
> 
>>> A  A A  and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
> 
>>    With a spare
> 
>>> A  A A  Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
> 
>>>>> Sounds good!A
> 
>> 
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>> A  A A  That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose
> 
>>    of. Sell or
> 
>>> A  A A  Trade. Photos Available.
> 
>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?A  What kind are
> 
>>    they?A  Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some
> 
>>    L-model wheels?
> 
>> 
> 
>>> A  A A  I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
> 
>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.A
> 
>> These were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile
> 
>>    prototype.A I have no idea how many were put into production but
> 
>>    I've never seen any other car wearing them, so I would have to
> 
>>    imagine the number is very small indeed.A  Even 1006, the
>   earliest
> 
>>    known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels.
> 
>>    So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot
> 
>>    wheels to appear. :>)
> 
>> 
> 
>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
> 
>>    Campy
> 
>>> A  A A  Wheel education.
> 
>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
> 
>>    your aftermarket wheels.A  Simply put, I would never wish
> 
>>    three-piece Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for
> 
>>    track use.A  We collectively know about multiple failures, which
> 
>>    always led to rapid deflation and a potential accident.A  Jack
>   has
> 
>>    often told of the car that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in
>   Las
> 
>>    Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his Hall wheel
>   dismantled
> 
>>    himself; I believe it thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
> 
>>    remember that aspect of the story for sure.A  Jack?
> 
>>    Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying
>   to
> 
>>    sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!)
> 
>>  and he had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had
> 
>>    cracked halfway around.A  The other three wheels had similar
>   cracks
> 
>>    when they were taken apart and inspected.
> 
>>    And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his
>   Hall
> 
>>    wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto
>   the
> 
>>    freeway in Los Angeles.A  What wasn't seen was that during the
> 
>>    collapse, the brake line was damaged.A  MD swapped his stock
>   wheels
> 
>>    w/race tires on and ran the Silver State a day or two later, but
> 
>>    when he stepped on the brakes at the finish line, the line
>   ruptured,
> 
>>    fluid sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest was history.
> 
>>    And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
> 
>>    Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
> 
>>    woefully under-engineered, and today should be related either to
>   a
> 
>>    display case, or a recycling bin IMHO....
> 
>>    So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here,
>   as
> 
>>    the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,
> 
>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
> 
>>>> A  A A  Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the
> 
>>    green primer,
> 
>>> A  A A  I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just
> 
>>    to see the
> 
>>> A  A A  final results.
> 
>>> A  A A  Photo attached.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
> 
>>    either....
> 
>>    Cheers!
> 
>> Mike
> 
>> 
> 
>>  --
> 
>>  Michael L. Shortt
> 
>>  Savannah, Georgia
> 
>>  [3] [138]www.michaelshortt.com
> 
>>  [4] [139]michael at michaelshortt.com
> 
>>  912-232-9390
> 
>> A
> 
>>  This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
> 
>>  Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
> 
>>  privileged.A  If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
> 
>>  notified
> 
>>  that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
> 
>>  communication is strictly prohibited.A  Please reply to the sender
>   that
> 
>>  you
> 
>>  have received this message in error, then delete it.A  Thank you
> 
>> 
> 
>> References
> 
>> 
> 
>>  1. [140]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 
>>  2. [141]mailto:davel at emspace.com
> 
>>  3. [142]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> 
>>  4. [143]mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> 
>> 
> 
>> ------------------------------
> 
>> 
> 
>> Message: 9
> 
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:23:36 -0800
> 
>> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" < [144]guson at home.se>
> 
>> To: < [145]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> 
>> Cc: < [146]gaino at earthlink.net>,    < [147]detomaso at poca.com>
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> Message-ID: < [148]F6F0EDD7F26440B0970C3CD2C70F6033 at mail2world.com>
> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
>> 
> 
>> Mike,
> 
>> 
> 
>> Bill originally wrote: Something that that blocks fluid in the brake
> 
>> lines to hold calipers pressed against the rotors.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> Aka line loc.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> OEM electric parking brakes work by having an electric motor actuate
>   the
> 
>> brake via a mechanical device, like a wire.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> Tomas
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> 
>> 
> 
>> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso [ [149]detomaso at poca.com]
> 
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 8:51:53 PM
> 
>> To: [150]guson at home.se; [151]gaino at earthlink.net
> 
>> Cc: [152]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, [153]guson at home.sewrites:
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
>   brake
> 
>>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the
> 
>>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
> 
>> 
> 
>>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about
>   an
> 
>> (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the
>   OEMs
> 
>> and is
> 
>> in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective to satisfy
> 
>> government regulations worldwide). Such systems are now available in
>   the
> 
>> aftermarket.
> 
>> 
> 
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
> 
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
>   mechanical
> 
>> 'arm' that
> 
>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for
> 
>> sure?
> 
>> 
> 
>> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient
>   to
> 
>> hold
> 
>> a car for any length of time; they are designed for very short-term
>   use
> 
>> only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than an inch)
> 
>> crashing
> 
>> into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow it and the fool
> 
>> parked it
> 
>> overnight on a slope in neutral with the line lock engaged. As the
> 
>> brakes
> 
>> cooled at night, they released and the car rolled through a lot
>   crowded
> 
>> with
> 
>> collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a hedge
>   and
> 
>> down
> 
>> into a ditch! Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been very
>   bad
> 
>> indeed.
> 
>> 
> 
>> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
>   much
> 
>> more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would
>   still
> 
>> hold
> 
>> pressure even as the fluid cooled. However, it would not serve as a
> 
>> proper
> 
>> emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal blew
>   out
> 
>> in a
> 
>> caliper) whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages the
> 
>> components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30
>   years...park
> 
>> wisely and hope for the best!)
> 
>> -------------- next part --------------
> 
>>  Mike,
> 
>> 
> 
>>  Bill originally wrote: Something that that blocks fluid in the
>   brake
> 
>>  lines to hold calipers pressed against the rotors.
> 
>> 
> 
>>  Aka line loc.
> 
>> 
> 
>>  OEM electric parking brakes work by having an electric motor
>   actuate
> 
>>  the brake via a mechanical device, like a wire.
> 
>> 
> 
>>  Tomas
> 
>>  <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> 
>>      From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso [ [154]detomaso at poca.com]
> 
>>  Sent: 13/1/2016 8:51:53 PM
> 
>>  To: [155]guson at home.se; [156]gaino at earthlink.net
> 
>>  Cc: [157]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>>  In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, [158]guson at home.sewrites:
> 
>>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
>   brake
> 
>>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the
> 
>>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about
>   an
> 
>>  (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the
>   OEMs
> 
>>  and is
> 
>>  in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective to
>   satisfy
> 
>>  government regulations worldwide). Such systems are now available
>   in
> 
>>  the
> 
>>  aftermarket.
> 
>>  I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
>   by
> 
>>  pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
>   mechanical
> 
>>  'arm' that
> 
>>  is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that
>   for
> 
>>  sure?
> 
>>  You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient
>   to
> 
>>  hold
> 
>>  a car for any length of time; they are designed for very short-term
>   use
> 
>>  only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than an inch)
> 
>>  crashing
> 
>>  into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow it and the
>   fool
> 
>>  parked it
> 
>>  overnight on a slope in neutral with the line lock engaged. As the
> 
>>  brakes
> 
>>  cooled at night, they released and the car rolled through a lot
>   crowded
> 
>>  with
> 
>>  collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a hedge
>   and
> 
>>  down
> 
>>  into a ditch! Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been
>   very
> 
>>  bad
> 
>>  indeed.
> 
>>  A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
>   much
> 
>>  more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would
>   still
> 
>>  hold
> 
>>  pressure even as the fluid cooled. However, it would not serve as a
> 
>>  proper
> 
>>  emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal blew
>   out
> 
>>  in a
> 
>>  caliper) whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages
>   the
> 
>>  components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work.
> 
>>  Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30
>   years...park
> 
>>  wisely and hope for the best!)
> 
>> 
> 
>> ------------------------------
> 
>> 
> 
>> Message: 10
> 
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:30:22 -0800
> 
>> From: Larry Stock < [159]larrys at panteraparts.com>
> 
>> To: < [160]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, < [161]davel at emspace.com>, <
>   [162]detomaso at poca.com>,
> 
>>   < [163]michael at michaelshortt.com>
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
> 
>> Message-ID: <D2BC0041.15C59F% [164]larrys at panteraparts.com>
> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="ISO-8859-1"
> 
>> 
> 
>> I am taking in a set of 8?s and 10?s X15? Campy?s with new tires next
>   week
> 
>> on a sale and trade I am doing. Since you guys are talking about
>   these, I
> 
>> am going to have a set available in the next week or so.
> 
>> E-mail me for more info and details.
> 
>> [165]Larrys at PanteraParts.com(1-800-DeTomaso) 800-338-6627
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> On 1/13/16, 12:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
> 
>> < [166]detomaso-bounces at poca.comon behalf of [167]detomaso at poca.com>
>   wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
>>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [168]davel at emspace.comwrites:
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>   My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.
> 
>>>   I think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about
>   the
> 
>>>   unsprung weight for track use?
> 
>>>   dave
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Interesting.  This was apparently a reply to an original post by
> 
>>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
>   wind
> 
>>> up in my spam folder?
> 
>>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,
> 
>>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
>   below:
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>   On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:
> 
>>>>   Greetings,
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>>   After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
> 
>>>   inventory today,
> 
>>>>   I have 21 Campy wheels,
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>   5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
> 
>>>   Triple
> 
>>>>   Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
> 
>>>   for Hall
> 
>>>>   Pantera.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?  He did
> 
>>> make them for several other vendors, in several different styles,
>   some
> 
>>> markedly better than others.  Can you share some images perhaps to
>   help
> 
>>> in identification?
> 
>>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that
>   were
> 
>>> welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>   And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> What kind of wheels are those?  10 spokes is a pretty vague
> 
>>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
>   they
> 
>>> have at least. :>)
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>>   I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
> 
>>>>   And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
> 
>>>   Rally and
> 
>>>>   Track use.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
> 
>>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
>   center
> 
>>> spinner?  Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the
>   latter
> 
>>> being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever
> 
>>> encountered).
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>   I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
> 
>>>   Blackwalls
> 
>>>>   and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
> 
>>>   With a spare
> 
>>>> Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Sounds good!
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>>>   That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
> 
>>>   Sell or
> 
>>>>   Trade. Photos Available.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?  What kind are
> 
>>> they?  Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some
>   L-model
> 
>>> wheels?
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>   I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.  These
> 
>>> were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.
>   I
> 
>>> have no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen
>   any
> 
>>> other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is
>   very
> 
>>> small indeed.  Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had
>   single
> 
>>> slot wheels.
> 
>>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot
>   wheels
> 
>>> to appear. :>)
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
> 
>>>   Campy
> 
>>>>   Wheel education.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
> 
>>> your aftermarket wheels.  Simply put, I would never wish
>   three-piece
> 
>>> Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.
>   We
> 
>>> collectively know about multiple failures, which always led to
>   rapid
> 
>>> deflation and a potential accident.  Jack has often told of the car
> 
>>> that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit
> 
>>> speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe
>   it
> 
>>> thrust the car into the scenery, but can't remember that aspect of
>   the
> 
>>> story for sure.  Jack?
> 
>>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying
>   to
> 
>>> sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!)
>   and
> 
>>> he had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had
>   cracked
> 
>>> halfway around.  The other three wheels had similar cracks when
>   they
> 
>>> were taken apart and inspected.
> 
>>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
> 
>>> wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the
> 
>>> freeway in Los Angeles.  What wasn't seen was that during the
>   collapse,
> 
>>> the brake line was damaged.  MD swapped his stock wheels w/race
>   tires
> 
>>> on and ran the Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped
>   on
> 
>>> the brakes at the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed
>   onto
> 
>>> the exhaust and the rest was history.
> 
>>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
> 
>>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
>   woefully
> 
>>> under-engineered, and today should be related either to a display
>   case,
> 
>>> or a recycling bin IMHO....
> 
>>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as
> 
>>> the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,
> 
>>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>   Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
> 
>>>   primer,
> 
>>>>   I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
> 
>>>   see the
> 
>>>>   final results.
> 
>>>>   Photo attached.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
> 
>>> either....
> 
>>> Cheers!
> 
>>> Mike
> 
>>> _______________________________________________
> 
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> 
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>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> ------------------------------
> 
>> 
> 
>> Message: 11
> 
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 22:53:34 +0100
> 
>> From: Charles McCall < [171]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> 
>> To: < [172]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, < [173]guson at home.se>, <
>   [174]gaino at earthlink.net>,
> 
>>   < [175]detomaso at poca.com>
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> Message-ID: <00fd01d14e4c$dac3a170$904ae450$@gmail.com>
> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
>> 
> 
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
> 
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
>   mechanical
> 
>   'arm'
> 
>> that
> 
>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake?   Does anybody know that
>   for
> 
>   sure?
> 
>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
> 
>   second
> 
>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
> 
>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
>   at
> 
>   any
> 
>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> ------------------------------
> 
>> 
> 
>> Message: 12
> 
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:02:11 -0800
> 
>> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" < [176]guson at home.se>
> 
>> To: < [177]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> 
>> Cc: < [178]detomaso at poca.com>
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> Message-ID: < [179]72F2415F8F0A41A0BC5857747006BB5D at mail2world.com>
> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
>> 
> 
>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
>   would
> 
>> not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the
> 
>> brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip
>   the
> 
>> switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are
>   on/off.
> 
>> Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's usually also
>   a
> 
>> requirement that it's mechanically actuated, hydraulics are not
>   allowed.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Tomas
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> 
>> 
> 
>>       From: Charles McCall [ [180]charlesmccall at gmail.com]
> 
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM
> 
>> To:
> 
>> [181]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [182]guson at home.se; [183]gaino at earthlink.net;
>   [184]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> 
> 
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
> 
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
>   mechanical
> 
>> 'arm'
> 
>> that
> 
>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for
> 
>> sure?
> 
>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
> 
>> second
> 
>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
> 
>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
>   at
> 
>> any
> 
>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> _______________________________________________
> 
>> 
> 
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> 
>> -------------- next part --------------
> 
>>  It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
>   would
> 
>>  not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the
> 
>>  brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip
>   the
> 
>>  switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are
> 
>>  on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's
> 
>>  usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated,
>   hydraulics
> 
>>  are not allowed.
> 
>> 
> 
>>  Tomas
> 
>>  <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> 
>>      From: Charles McCall [ [187]charlesmccall at gmail.com]
> 
>>  Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM
> 
>>  To:
> 
>> [188]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [189]guson at home.se; [190]gaino at earthlink.net;
>   [191]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>>  I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
>   by
> 
>>  pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
>   mechanical
> 
>>  'arm'
> 
>>  that
> 
>>  is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that
>   for
> 
>>  sure?
> 
>>  ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid -
>   the
> 
>>  second
> 
>>  case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
> 
>>  electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating
>   it at
> 
>>  any
> 
>>  speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
> 
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> 
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> 
>> Message: 13
> 
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 23:04:27 +0100
> 
>> From: Charles McCall < [194]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> 
>> To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" < [195]guson at home.se>
> 
>> Cc: < [196]detomaso at poca.com>
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> Message-ID: <010701d14e4e$5fc90440$1f5b0cc0$@gmail.com>
> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
>> 
> 
>> Sorry, you are correct that it is a linear actuator. I answered
>   quickly.
> 
>   In
> 
>> any case, it is a mechanical actuator and not pressurizing the
>   hydraulic
> 
>> line.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> From: Tomas Gunnarsson [ [197]mailto:guson at home.se]
> 
>> Sent: mi?rcoles, 13 de enero de 2016 23:02
> 
>> To: [198]charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 
>> Cc: [199]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
>   would
> 
>   not
> 
>> be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the
>   brakes are
> 
>> on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip the switch
>   (or
> 
>> whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are on/off. Where
> 
>   there's
> 
>> legislation requiring a parking brake it's usually also a requirement
>   that
> 
>> it's mechanically actuated, hydraulics are not allowed.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> Tomas
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> From: Charles McCall [ [200]charlesmccall at gmail.com]
> 
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM
> 
>> To: [201]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [202]guson at home.se;
>   [203]gaino at earthlink.net; [204]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> 
> 
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
> 
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
>   mechanical
> 
>   'arm'
> 
>> 
> 
>> that
> 
>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for
>   sure?
> 
>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
> 
>   second
> 
>> 
> 
>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
> 
>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
>   at
> 
>   any
> 
>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> _______________________________________________
> 
>> 
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>> 
> 
>> -------------- next part --------------
> 
>>  Sorry, you are correct that it is a linear actuator. I answered
> 
>>  quickly. In any case, it is a mechanical actuator and not
>   pressurizing
> 
>>  the hydraulic line.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>  From: Tomas Gunnarsson [ [207]mailto:guson at home.se]
> 
>>  Sent: miercoles, 13 de enero de 2016 23:02
> 
>>  To: [208]charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 
>>  Cc: [209]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>  It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
>   would
> 
>>  not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the
> 
>>  brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip
>   the
> 
>>  switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are
> 
>>  on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's
> 
>>  usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated,
>   hydraulics
> 
>>  are not allowed.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>  Tomas
> 
>> 
> 
>>  <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>  From: Charles McCall [ [210]charlesmccall at gmail.com]
> 
>>  Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM
> 
>>  To:
> 
>>  [1] [211]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [212]guson at home.se;
>   [213]gaino at earthlink.net; [214]detomaso at poca.co
> 
>>  m
> 
>>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>>  I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
>   by
> 
>>  pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
>   mechanical
> 
>>  'arm'
> 
>>  that
> 
>>  is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that
>   for
> 
>>  sure?
> 
>>  ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid -
>   the
> 
>>  second
> 
>>  case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
> 
>>  electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating
>   it at
> 
>>  any
> 
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>> Message: 14
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>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 23:09:38 +0100
> 
>> From: Thomas Tornblom < [220]thomas at hax.se>
> 
>> To: [221]detomaso at poca.com
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> Message-ID: < [222]5696CB22.5070902 at hax.se>
> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
>> 
> 
>> I believe VW electric parking brake have an electric motor directly
>   on
> 
>> the caliper, no cables.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> Den 2016-01-13 22:53, Charles McCall skrev:
> 
>>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
> 
>>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
>   mechanical
> 
>   'arm'
> 
>>> that
> 
>>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake?   Does anybody know that
>   for
> 
>   sure?
> 
>>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid -
>   the
> 
>   second
> 
>>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
> 
>>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
>   at
> 
>   any
> 
>>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
> 
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> 
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>> Message: 15
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>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 22:15:16 +0000 (UTC)
> 
>> From: marshall smith < [226]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> 
>> To: < [227]davel at emspace.com>, < [228]detomaso at poca.com>,
> 
>>   < [229]michael at michaelshortt.com>,    < [230]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
> 
>> Message-ID:
> 
>>   <
>   [231]621399975.3851038.1452723316243.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
>> 
> 
>> FYI....
> 
>> 
> 
>> I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and
>   came
> 
>   with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that covered the
>   lug
> 
>   nuts or you could delete the cone and go with exposed lug nuts.
> 
>> I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I
>   recall.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Marshall
> 
>> --------------------------------------------
> 
>> On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso < [232]detomaso at poca.com>
>   wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
> 
>> To: [233]davel at emspace.com, [234]detomaso at poca.com,
>   [235]michael at michaelshortt.com
> 
>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???In a message dated
> 
>> 1/10/16 21 39 38, [236]davel at emspace.com
> 
>> writes:
> 
>> 
> 
>> ? ???My 17" Hall wheels are a lot
> 
>> heavier than the mags.
> 
>> ? ???I think that's fine for street, but
> 
>> aren't you concerned about the
> 
>> ? ???unsprung weight for track use?
> 
>> ? ???dave
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???>>>Interesting.? This was
> 
>> apparently a reply to an original post by
> 
>> ???Michael Shortt, but that post never came
> 
>> through to me nor did it wind
> 
>> ???up in my spam folder?
> 
>> ???I'm noting some irregularities with the
> 
>> forum these days....anyway,
> 
>> ???thankfully Dave included Michael's
> 
>> original post, so see replies below:
> 
>> 
> 
>> ? ???On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt
> 
>> wrote:
> 
>> ? ???>?
> 
>> ???Greetings,
> 
>> ? ???>
> 
>> ? ???>? ???After
> 
>> gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
> 
>> ? ???inventory today,
> 
>> ? ???>? ???I have
> 
>> 21 Campy wheels,
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???>>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)
> 
>> 
> 
>> ? ???>? ???5
> 
>> Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
> 
>> ? ???Triple
> 
>> ? ???>? ???Slots
> 
>> ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
> 
>> ? ???for Hall
> 
>> ? ???>?
> 
>> ???Pantera.
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???>>>Uh, I don't think Coddington
> 
>> every made wheels for Hall?? He did
> 
>> ???make them for several other vendors, in
> 
>> several different styles, some
> 
>> ???markedly better than others.? Can you
> 
>> share some images perhaps to help
> 
>> ???in identification?
> 
>> ???Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke
> 
>> Si-looking wheels that were
> 
>> ???welded together, and perhaps Coddington
> 
>> was the source for those?
> 
>> 
> 
>> ? ???>>?
> 
>> ???And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with
> 
>> 335/35 and 245/40.
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???>>>What kind of wheels are
> 
>> those?? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
> 
>> ???descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty
> 
>> certain how many spokes they
> 
>> ???have at least. :>)
> 
>> 
> 
>> ? ???>
> 
>> ? ???>? ???I am
> 
>> keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
> 
>> ? ???>? ???And
> 
>> one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
> 
>> ? ???Rally and
> 
>> ? ???>? ???Track
> 
>> use.
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???>>>Wait--are you talking about
> 
>> Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
> 
>> ???wheels which are three-piece,
> 
>> bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
> 
>> ???spinner?? Those are as different as
> 
>> chalk and cheese (with the latter
> 
>> ???being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous
> 
>> wheels I've ever
> 
>> ???encountered).
> 
>> 
> 
>> ? ???>? ???I will
> 
>> be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
> 
>> ? ???Blackwalls
> 
>> ? ???>? ???and a
> 
>> set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
> 
>> ? ???With a spare
> 
>> ? ???>? ???Front
> 
>> and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???>>>Sounds good!
> 
>> 
> 
>> ? ???>
> 
>> ? ???>>?
> 
>> ???That leaves 2 full sets of double slot
> 
>> wheels to dispose of.
> 
>> ? ???Sell or
> 
>> ? ???>? ???Trade.
> 
>> Photos Available.
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???>>>Somebody just asked for a
> 
>> set--Guy Dellavecchia?? What kind are
> 
>> ???they?? Guy might want to trade his
> 
>> '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
> 
>> ???wheels?
> 
>> 
> 
>> ? ???>? ???I'd
> 
>> love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???>>>I have only ever seen two of
> 
>> them (separately) in my life.? These
> 
>> ???were an experimental wheel used on the
> 
>> first pushmobile prototype.? I
> 
>> ???have no idea how many were put into
> 
>> production but I've never seen any
> 
>> ???other car wearing them, so I would have to
> 
>> imagine the number is very
> 
>> ???small indeed.? Even 1006, the
> 
>> earliest known Pantera extant, had single
> 
>> ???slot wheels.
> 
>> ???So don't hold your breath waiting for a
> 
>> full set of three-slot wheels
> 
>> ???to appear. :>)
> 
>> 
> 
>> ? ???>I will sort them this week by
> 
>> design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
> 
>> ? ???Campy
> 
>> ? ???>? ???Wheel
> 
>> education.
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???>>>It's my pleasure, but at this
> 
>> point I'm far more concerned about
> 
>> ???your aftermarket wheels.? Simply put,
> 
>> I would never wish three-piece
> 
>> ???Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and
> 
>> especially not for track use.? We
> 
>> ???collectively know about multiple failures,
> 
>> which always led to rapid
> 
>> ???deflation and a potential accident.?
> 
>> Jack has often told of the car
> 
>> ???that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in
> 
>> Las Vegas at triple digit
> 
>> ???speeds one year when his Hall wheel
> 
>> dismantled himself; I believe it
> 
>> ???thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
> 
>> remember that aspect of the
> 
>> ???story for sure.? Jack?
> 
>> ???Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
> 
>> Concorso that he was trying to
> 
>> ???sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while
> 
>> the car was parked (!) and
> 
>> ???he had to tow it back to Nevada as it
> 
>> couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
> 
>> ???halfway around.? The other three
> 
>> wheels had similar cracks when they
> 
>> ???were taken apart and inspected.
> 
>> ???And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused
> 
>> by the failure of his Hall
> 
>> ???wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,
> 
>> the car fell down onto the
> 
>> ???freeway in Los Angeles.? What wasn't
> 
>> seen was that during the collapse,
> 
>> ???the brake line was damaged.? MD
> 
>> swapped his stock wheels w/race tires
> 
>> ???on and ran the Silver State a day or two
> 
>> later, but when he stepped on
> 
>> ???the brakes at the finish line, the line
> 
>> ruptured, fluid sprayed onto
> 
>> ???the exhaust and the rest was history.
> 
>> ???And on and on and on...I'm sure there are
> 
>> many others.
> 
>> ???Those wheels were a very well-intentioned
> 
>> design but they were woefully
> 
>> ???under-engineered, and today should be
> 
>> related either to a display case,
> 
>> ???or a recycling bin IMHO....
> 
>> ???So tell me exactly what kind of wheels
> 
>> you're talking about here, as
> 
>> ???the Coddington wheels (which I have
> 
>> aesthetic problems with,
> 
>> ???admittedly) are nothing like these Hall
> 
>> wheels at all.
> 
>> 
> 
>> ? ???>>?
> 
>> ???Just let a local guy soda blast two of
> 
>> them down to the green
> 
>> ? ???primer,
> 
>> ? ???>? ???I'll
> 
>> probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
> 
>> ? ???see the
> 
>> ? ???>? ???final
> 
>> results.
> 
>> ? ???>? ???Photo
> 
>> attached.
> 
>> ? ???>
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???>>>Since I didn't get your
> 
>> original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
> 
>> ???either....
> 
>> ???Cheers!
> 
>> ???Mike
> 
>> 
> 
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> 
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> 
>> Message: 16
> 
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 22:24:18 +0000 (UTC)
> 
>> From: marshall smith < [239]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> 
>> To: < [240]davel at emspace.com>, < [241]detomaso at poca.com>,
> 
>>   < [242]michael at michaelshortt.com>,    < [243]MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
>   marshall smith
> 
>>   < [244]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
> 
>> Message-ID:
> 
>>   <
>   [245]1003982879.3795306.1452723858144.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
>> 
> 
>> Additionally....Hall's 10 spoke wheels have the spokes slanted
>   slightly
> 
>   inboard or towards the suspension. I believe Wilkinson made a 10 spoke
>   wheel
> 
>   where the spokes slant outward. These are visually better looking
>   giving  a
> 
>   semi dished look and have slightly rounded spokes where the Hall's have
> 
>   sharp edged spokes.
> 
>> 
> 
>> M
> 
>> --------------------------------------------
> 
>> On Wed, 1/13/16, marshall smith < [246]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>   wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
> 
>> To: [247]davel at emspace.com, [248]detomaso at poca.com,
>   [249]michael at michaelshortt.com,
> 
>   [250]MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 
>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 2:15 PM
> 
>> 
> 
>> FYI....
> 
>> 
> 
>> I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded
> 
>> centers and came with a center hub that had a dummy spinner
> 
>> and cone that covered the lug nuts or you could delete the
> 
>> cone and go with exposed lug nuts.
> 
>> I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s
> 
>> as I recall.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Marshall
> 
>> --------------------------------------------
> 
>> On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso < [251]detomaso at poca.com>
> 
>> wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
> 
>> To: [252]davel at emspace.com,
> 
>> [253]detomaso at poca.com,
> 
>> [254]michael at michaelshortt.com
> 
>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???In a message dated
> 
>> 1/10/16 21 39 38, [255]davel at emspace.com
> 
>> writes:
> 
>> 
> 
>> ? ???My 17" Hall wheels are a lot
> 
>> heavier than the mags.
> 
>> ? ???I think that's fine for street, but
> 
>> aren't you concerned about the
> 
>> ? ???unsprung weight for track use?
> 
>> ? ???dave
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???>>>Interesting.? This was
> 
>> apparently a reply to an original post by
> 
>> ???Michael Shortt, but that post never came
> 
>> through to me nor did it wind
> 
>> ???up in my spam folder?
> 
>> ???I'm noting some irregularities with the
> 
>> forum these days....anyway,
> 
>> ???thankfully Dave included Michael's
> 
>> original post, so see replies below:
> 
>> 
> 
>> ? ???On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt
> 
>> wrote:
> 
>> ? ???>?
> 
>> ???Greetings,
> 
>> ? ???>
> 
>> ? ???>? ???After
> 
>> gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
> 
>> ? ???inventory today,
> 
>> ? ???>? ???I have
> 
>> 21 Campy wheels,
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???>>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)
> 
>> 
> 
>> ? ???>? ???5
> 
>> Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
> 
>> ? ???Triple
> 
>> ? ???>? ???Slots
> 
>> ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
> 
>> ? ???for Hall
> 
>> ? ???>?
> 
>> ???Pantera.
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???>>>Uh, I don't think Coddington
> 
>> every made wheels for Hall?? He did
> 
>> ???make them for several other vendors, in
> 
>> several different styles, some
> 
>> ???markedly better than others.? Can you
> 
>> share some images perhaps to help
> 
>> ???in identification?
> 
>> ???Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke
> 
>> Si-looking wheels that were
> 
>> ???welded together, and perhaps Coddington
> 
>> was the source for those?
> 
>> 
> 
>> ? ???>>?
> 
>> ???And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with
> 
>> 335/35 and 245/40.
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???>>>What kind of wheels are
> 
>> those?? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
> 
>> ???descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty
> 
>> certain how many spokes they
> 
>> ???have at least. :>)
> 
>> 
> 
>> ? ???>
> 
>> ? ???>? ???I am
> 
>> keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
> 
>> ? ???>? ???And
> 
>> one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
> 
>> ? ???Rally and
> 
>> ? ???>? ???Track
> 
>> use.
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???>>>Wait--are you talking about
> 
>> Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
> 
>> ???wheels which are three-piece,
> 
>> bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
> 
>> ???spinner?? Those are as different as
> 
>> chalk and cheese (with the latter
> 
>> ???being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous
> 
>> wheels I've ever
> 
>> ???encountered).
> 
>> 
> 
>> ? ???>? ???I will
> 
>> be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
> 
>> ? ???Blackwalls
> 
>> ? ???>? ???and a
> 
>> set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
> 
>> ? ???With a spare
> 
>> ? ???>? ???Front
> 
>> and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???>>>Sounds good!
> 
>> 
> 
>> ? ???>
> 
>> ? ???>>?
> 
>> ???That leaves 2 full sets of double slot
> 
>> wheels to dispose of.
> 
>> ? ???Sell or
> 
>> ? ???>? ???Trade.
> 
>> Photos Available.
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???>>>Somebody just asked for a
> 
>> set--Guy Dellavecchia?? What kind are
> 
>> ???they?? Guy might want to trade his
> 
>> '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
> 
>> ???wheels?
> 
>> 
> 
>> ? ???>? ???I'd
> 
>> love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???>>>I have only ever seen two of
> 
>> them (separately) in my life.? These
> 
>> ???were an experimental wheel used on the
> 
>> first pushmobile prototype.? I
> 
>> ???have no idea how many were put into
> 
>> production but I've never seen any
> 
>> ???other car wearing them, so I would have to
> 
>> imagine the number is very
> 
>> ???small indeed.? Even 1006, the
> 
>> earliest known Pantera extant, had single
> 
>> ???slot wheels.
> 
>> ???So don't hold your breath waiting for a
> 
>> full set of three-slot wheels
> 
>> ???to appear. :>)
> 
>> 
> 
>> ? ???>I will sort them this week by
> 
>> design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
> 
>> ? ???Campy
> 
>> ? ???>? ???Wheel
> 
>> education.
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???>>>It's my pleasure, but at this
> 
>> point I'm far more concerned about
> 
>> ???your aftermarket wheels.? Simply put,
> 
>> I would never wish three-piece
> 
>> ???Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and
> 
>> especially not for track use.? We
> 
>> ???collectively know about multiple failures,
> 
>> which always led to rapid
> 
>> ???deflation and a potential accident.?
> 
>> Jack has often told of the car
> 
>> ???that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in
> 
>> Las Vegas at triple digit
> 
>> ???speeds one year when his Hall wheel
> 
>> dismantled himself; I believe it
> 
>> ???thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
> 
>> remember that aspect of the
> 
>> ???story for sure.? Jack?
> 
>> ???Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
> 
>> Concorso that he was trying to
> 
>> ???sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while
> 
>> the car was parked (!) and
> 
>> ???he had to tow it back to Nevada as it
> 
>> couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
> 
>> ???halfway around.? The other three
> 
>> wheels had similar cracks when they
> 
>> ???were taken apart and inspected.
> 
>> ???And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused
> 
>> by the failure of his Hall
> 
>> ???wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,
> 
>> the car fell down onto the
> 
>> ???freeway in Los Angeles.? What wasn't
> 
>> seen was that during the collapse,
> 
>> ???the brake line was damaged.? MD
> 
>> swapped his stock wheels w/race tires
> 
>> ???on and ran the Silver State a day or two
> 
>> later, but when he stepped on
> 
>> ???the brakes at the finish line, the line
> 
>> ruptured, fluid sprayed onto
> 
>> ???the exhaust and the rest was history.
> 
>> ???And on and on and on...I'm sure there are
> 
>> many others.
> 
>> ???Those wheels were a very well-intentioned
> 
>> design but they were woefully
> 
>> ???under-engineered, and today should be
> 
>> related either to a display case,
> 
>> ???or a recycling bin IMHO....
> 
>> ???So tell me exactly what kind of wheels
> 
>> you're talking about here, as
> 
>> ???the Coddington wheels (which I have
> 
>> aesthetic problems with,
> 
>> ???admittedly) are nothing like these Hall
> 
>> wheels at all.
> 
>> 
> 
>> ? ???>>?
> 
>> ???Just let a local guy soda blast two of
> 
>> them down to the green
> 
>> ? ???primer,
> 
>> ? ???>? ???I'll
> 
>> probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
> 
>> ? ???see the
> 
>> ? ???>? ???final
> 
>> results.
> 
>> ? ???>? ???Photo
> 
>> attached.
> 
>> ? ???>
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???>>>Since I didn't get your
> 
>> original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
> 
>> ???either....
> 
>> ???Cheers!
> 
>> ???Mike
> 
>> 
> 
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> 
>> 
> 
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>> Message: 17
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>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:44:23 -0500
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>> From: Michael Shortt < [260]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> 
>> To: marshall smith < [261]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
>   [262]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
> 
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> 
>> Marshall,
> 
>> 
> 
>> I have those too, considered having them Powdercoated, but the center
> 
>> treatment would look silly. I have both the spinners and the big
>   black
> 
>> lugs. The other set is the 5 spoke from Hall/Boyd.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Michael Shortt
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2016 5:15 PM, "marshall smith" <
>   [264]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> 
>> wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
>>> FYI....
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and
>   came
> 
>>> with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that covered the
>   lug
> 
>>> nuts or you could delete the cone and go with exposed lug nuts.
> 
>>> I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I
>   recall.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> Marshall
> 
>>> --------------------------------------------
> 
>>> On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso < [265]detomaso at poca.com>
>   wrote:
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
> 
>>> To: [266]davel at emspace.com, [267]detomaso at poca.com,
>   [268]michael at michaelshortt.com
> 
>>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>   In a message dated
> 
>>> 1/10/16 21 39 38, [269]davel at emspace.com
> 
>>> writes:
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>     My 17" Hall wheels are a lot
> 
>>> heavier than the mags.
> 
>>>     I think that's fine for street, but
> 
>>> aren't you concerned about the
> 
>>>     unsprung weight for track use?
> 
>>>     dave
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Interesting.  This was
> 
>>> apparently a reply to an original post by
> 
>>>   Michael Shortt, but that post never came
> 
>>> through to me nor did it wind
> 
>>>  up in my spam folder?
> 
>>>   I'm noting some irregularities with the
> 
>>> forum these days....anyway,
> 
>>>   thankfully Dave included Michael's
> 
>>> original post, so see replies below:
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>     On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt
> 
>>> wrote:
> 
>>>   Greetings,
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>>   After
> 
>>> gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
> 
>>>     inventory today,
> 
>>>>   I have
> 
>>> 21 Campy wheels,
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>   5
> 
>>> Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
> 
>>>     Triple
> 
>>>>   Slots
> 
>>> ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
> 
>>>     for Hall
> 
>>>   Pantera.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington
> 
>>> every made wheels for Hall?  He did
> 
>>>   make them for several other vendors, in
> 
>>> several different styles, some
> 
>>>   markedly better than others.  Can you
> 
>>> share some images perhaps to help
> 
>>>   in identification?
> 
>>>   Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke
> 
>>> Si-looking wheels that were
> 
>>>   welded together, and perhaps Coddington
> 
>>> was the source for those?
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>   And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with
> 
>>> 335/35 and 245/40.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> What kind of wheels are
> 
>>> those?  10 spokes is a pretty vague
> 
>>>   descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty
> 
>>> certain how many spokes they
> 
>>>  have at least. :>)
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>>   I am
> 
>>> keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
> 
>>>>   And
> 
>>> one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
> 
>>>     Rally and
> 
>>>>   Track
> 
>>> use.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Wait--are you talking about
> 
>>> Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
> 
>>>   wheels which are three-piece,
> 
>>> bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
> 
>>>   spinner?  Those are as different as
> 
>>> chalk and cheese (with the latter
> 
>>>   being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous
> 
>>> wheels I've ever
> 
>>>   encountered).
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>   I will
> 
>>> be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
> 
>>>    Blackwalls
> 
>>>>   and a
> 
>>> set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
> 
>>>     With a spare
> 
>>>>   Front
> 
>>> and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Sounds good!
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>   That leaves 2 full sets of double slot
> 
>>> wheels to dispose of.
> 
>>>     Sell or
> 
>>>>   Trade.
> 
>>> Photos Available.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Somebody just asked for a
> 
>>> set--Guy Dellavecchia?  What kind are
> 
>>>   they?  Guy might want to trade his
> 
>>> '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
> 
>>>   wheels?
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>   I'd
> 
>>> love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> I have only ever seen two of
> 
>>> them (separately) in my life.  These
> 
>>>   were an experimental wheel used on the
> 
>>> first pushmobile prototype.  I
> 
>>>   have no idea how many were put into
> 
>>> production but I've never seen any
> 
>>>   other car wearing them, so I would have to
> 
>>> imagine the number is very
> 
>>>   small indeed.  Even 1006, the
> 
>>> earliest known Pantera extant, had single
> 
>>>   slot wheels.
> 
>>>   So don't hold your breath waiting for a
> 
>>> full set of three-slot wheels
> 
>>>   to appear. :>)
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>> I will sort them this week by
> 
>>> design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
> 
>>>     Campy
> 
>>>>   Wheel
> 
>>> education.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this
> 
>>> point I'm far more concerned about
> 
>>>   your aftermarket wheels.  Simply put,
> 
>>> I would never wish three-piece
> 
>>>   Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and
> 
>>> especially not for track use.  We
> 
>>>   collectively know about multiple failures,
> 
>>> which always led to rapid
> 
>>>   deflation and a potential accident.
> 
>>> Jack has often told of the car
> 
>>>   that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in
> 
>>> Las Vegas at triple digit
> 
>>>   speeds one year when his Hall wheel
> 
>>> dismantled himself; I believe it
> 
>>>   thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
> 
>>> remember that aspect of the
> 
>>>  story for sure.  Jack?
> 
>>>   Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
> 
>>> Concorso that he was trying to
> 
>>>   sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while
> 
>>> the car was parked (!) and
> 
>>>   he had to tow it back to Nevada as it
> 
>>> couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
> 
>>>   halfway around.  The other three
> 
>>> wheels had similar cracks when they
> 
>>>   were taken apart and inspected.
> 
>>>   And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused
> 
>>> by the failure of his Hall
> 
>>>   wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,
> 
>>> the car fell down onto the
> 
>>>   freeway in Los Angeles.  What wasn't
> 
>>> seen was that during the collapse,
> 
>>>   the brake line was damaged.  MD
> 
>>> swapped his stock wheels w/race tires
> 
>>>   on and ran the Silver State a day or two
> 
>>> later, but when he stepped on
> 
>>>   the brakes at the finish line, the line
> 
>>> ruptured, fluid sprayed onto
> 
>>>   the exhaust and the rest was history.
> 
>>>   And on and on and on...I'm sure there are
> 
>>> many others.
> 
>>>   Those wheels were a very well-intentioned
> 
>>> design but they were woefully
> 
>>>   under-engineered, and today should be
> 
>>> related either to a display case,
> 
>>>   or a recycling bin IMHO....
> 
>>>   So tell me exactly what kind of wheels
> 
>>> you're talking about here, as
> 
>>>   the Coddington wheels (which I have
> 
>>> aesthetic problems with,
> 
>>>   admittedly) are nothing like these Hall
> 
>>> wheels at all.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>   Just let a local guy soda blast two of
> 
>>> them down to the green
> 
>>>     primer,
> 
>>>>   I'll
> 
>>> probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
> 
>>>     see the
> 
>>>>  final
> 
>>> results.
> 
>>>>   Photo
> 
>>> attached.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>>>> Since I didn't get your
> 
>>> original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
> 
>>>   either....
> 
>>>   Cheers!
> 
>>>   Mike
> 
>>> 
> 
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> 
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> 
>>  Marshall,
> 
>> 
> 
>>  I have those too, considered having them Powdercoated, but the
>   center
> 
>>  treatment would look silly. I have both the spinners and the big
>   black
> 
>>  lugs. The other set is the 5 spoke from Hall/Boyd.
> 
>> 
> 
>>  Michael Shortt
> 
>> 
> 
>>  On Jan 13, 2016 5:15 PM, "marshall smith"
> 
>>  <[1] [272]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
>>    FYI....
> 
>>    I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and
> 
>>    came with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that
> 
>>    covered the lug nuts or you could delete the cone and go with
> 
>>    exposed lug nuts.
> 
>>    I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I
> 
>>    recall.
> 
>>    Marshall
> 
>>    --------------------------------------------
> 
>>    On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[2]
>   [273]detomaso at poca.com>
> 
>>    wrote:
> 
>>    A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
> 
>>    A To: [3] [274]davel at emspace.com, [4] [275]detomaso at poca.com,
> 
>>    [5] [276]michael at michaelshortt.com
> 
>>    A Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
> 
>>    A A A A In a message dated
> 
>>    A 1/10/16 21 39 38, [6] [277]davel at emspace.com
> 
>>    A writes:
> 
>>    A A  A A A My 17" Hall wheels are a lot
> 
>>    A heavier than the mags.
> 
>>    A A  A A A I think that's fine for street, but
> 
>>    A aren't you concerned about the
> 
>>    A A  A A A unsprung weight for track use?
> 
>>    A A  A A A dave
> 
>>    A A A A >>>Interesting.A  This was
> 
>>    A apparently a reply to an original post by
> 
>> A A A A Michael Shortt, but that post never came
> 
>>    A through to me nor did it wind
> 
>>    A A A A up in my spam folder?
> 
>>    A A A A I'm noting some irregularities with the
> 
>>    A forum these days....anyway,
> 
>>    A A A A thankfully Dave included Michael's
> 
>>    A original post, so see replies below:
> 
>>    A A  A A A On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt
> 
>>    A wrote:
> 
>>  A A  A A A >A
> 
>>    A A A A Greetings,
> 
>>    A A  A A A >
> 
>>    A A  A A A >A A A A After
> 
>>    A gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
> 
>>    A A A A A inventory today,
> 
>>    A A  A A A >A  A A A I have
> 
>>    A 21 Campy wheels,
> 
>>    A A A A >>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)
> 
>>    A A  A A A >A  A A A 5
> 
>>    A Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
> 
>>    A A  A A A Triple
> 
>>    A A  A A A >A  A A A Slots
> 
>>    A ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
> 
>>    A A  A A A for Hall
> 
>>    A A  A A A >A
> 
>>    A A A A Pantera.
> 
>>    A A A A >>>Uh, I don't think Coddington
> 
>>    A every made wheels for Hall?A  He did
> 
>>    A A A A make them for several other vendors, in
> 
>>    A several different styles, some
> 
>>    A A A A markedly better than others.A  Can you
> 
>>    A share some images perhaps to help
> 
>>    A A A A in identification?
> 
>>    A A A A Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke
> 
>>    A Si-looking wheels that were
> 
>>    A A A A welded together, and perhaps Coddington
> 
>>    A was the source for those?
> 
>>    A A  A A A >>A
> 
>>    A A A A And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with
> 
>>    A 335/35 and 245/40.
> 
>>    A A A A >>>What kind of wheels are
> 
>>    A those?A  10 spokes is a pretty vague
> 
>>    A A A A descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty
> 
>>    A certain how many spokes they
> 
>>    A A A A have at least. :>)
> 
>>    A A  A A A >
> 
>>    A A  A A A >A  A A A I am
> 
>>    A keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
> 
>>    A A  A A A >A  A A A And
> 
>>    A one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
> 
>>    A A  A A A Rally and
> 
>>    A A  A A A >A  A A A Track
> 
>>    A use.
> 
>>    A A A A >>>Wait--are you talking about
> 
>>    A Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
> 
>>    A A A A wheels which are three-piece,
> 
>>    A bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
> 
>>    A A A A spinner?A  Those are as different as
> 
>>    A chalk and cheese (with the latter
> 
>>    A A A A being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous
> 
>>    A wheels I've ever
> 
>>    A A A A encountered).
> 
>>    A A  A A A >A  A A A I will
> 
>>    A be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
> 
>>    A A  A A A Blackwalls
> 
>>    A A  A A A >A  A A A and a
> 
>>   A set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
> 
>>    A A  A A A With a spare
> 
>>    A A  A A A >A  A A A Front
> 
>>    A and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
> 
>>    A A A A >>>Sounds good!
> 
>>    A A  A A A >
> 
>>    A A  A A A >>A
> 
>>    A A A A That leaves 2 full sets of double slot
> 
>>    A wheels to dispose of.
> 
>>    A A  A A A Sell or
> 
>>    A A  A A A >A  A A A Trade.
> 
>>    A Photos Available.
> 
>>    A A A A >>>Somebody just asked for a
> 
>>    A set--Guy Dellavecchia?A  What kind are
> 
>>    A A A A they?A  Guy might want to trade his
> 
>>    A '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
> 
>>    A A A A wheels?
> 
>>    A A  A A A >A  A A A I'd
> 
>>    A love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
> 
>>    A A A A >>>I have only ever seen two of
> 
>>    A them (separately) in my life.A  These
> 
>>    A A A A were an experimental wheel used on the
> 
>>    A first pushmobile prototype.A  I
> 
>>    A A A A have no idea how many were put into
> 
>>    A production but I've never seen any
> 
>>    A A A A other car wearing them, so I would have to
> 
>>    A imagine the number is very
> 
>>    A A A A small indeed.A  Even 1006, the
> 
>>    A earliest known Pantera extant, had single
> 
>>    A A A A slot wheels.
> 
>>    A A A A So don't hold your breath waiting for a
> 
>>    A full set of three-slot wheels
> 
>>    A A A A to appear. :>)
> 
>>    A A  A A A >I will sort them this week by
> 
>>    A design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
> 
>>    A A  A A A Campy
> 
>>    A A  A A A >A  A A A Wheel
> 
>>    A education.
> 
>>    A A A A >>>It's my pleasure, but at this
> 
>> A point I'm far more concerned about
> 
>>    A A A A your aftermarket wheels.A  Simply put,
> 
>>    A I would never wish three-piece
> 
>>    A A A A Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and
> 
>>    A especially not for track use.A  We
> 
>>    A A A A collectively know about multiple failures,
> 
>>    A which always led to rapid
> 
>>    A A A A deflation and a potential accident.A
> 
>>    A Jack has often told of the car
> 
>>    A A A A that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in
> 
>> A Las Vegas at triple digit
> 
>>    A A A A speeds one year when his Hall wheel
> 
>>    A dismantled himself; I believe it
> 
>>    A A A A thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
> 
>>    A remember that aspect of the
> 
>>    A A A A story for sure.A  Jack?
> 
>>    A A A A Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
> 
>> A Concorso that he was trying to
> 
>>    A A A A sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while
> 
>>    A the car was parked (!) and
> 
>>    A A A A he had to tow it back to Nevada as it
> 
>>    A couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
> 
>>    A A A A halfway around.A  The other three
> 
>>    A wheels had similar cracks when they
> 
>>    A A A A were taken apart and inspected.
> 
>>    A A A A And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused
> 
>>    A by the failure of his Hall
> 
>>    A A A A wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,
> 
>>    A the car fell down onto the
> 
>>  A A A A freeway in Los Angeles.A  What wasn't
> 
>>    A seen was that during the collapse,
> 
>>    A A A A the brake line was damaged.A  MD
> 
>>    A swapped his stock wheels w/race tires
> 
>>    A A A A on and ran the Silver State a day or two
> 
>>    A later, but when he stepped on
> 
>>    A A A A the brakes at the finish line, the line
> 
>>    A ruptured, fluid sprayed onto
> 
>>    A A A A the exhaust and the rest was history.
> 
>>    A A A A And on and on and on...I'm sure there are
> 
>>    A many others.
> 
>>    A A A A Those wheels were a very well-intentioned
> 
>>    A design but they were woefully
> 
>>    A A A A under-engineered, and today should be
> 
>>    A related either to a display case,
> 
>>    A A A A or a recycling bin IMHO....
> 
>>    A A A A So tell me exactly what kind of wheels
> 
>>    A you're talking about here, as
> 
>>    A A A A the Coddington wheels (which I have
> 
>>    A aesthetic problems with,
> 
>>    A A A A admittedly) are nothing like these Hall
> 
>>    A wheels at all.
> 
>>    A A A A A >>A
> 
>>    A A A A Just let a local guy soda blast two of
> 
>>    A them down to the green
> 
>>    A A  A A A primer,
> 
>>    A A  A A A >A  A A A I'll
> 
>> A probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
> 
>>    A A  A A A see the
> 
>>    A A  A A A >A  A A A final
> 
>>    A results.
> 
>>    A A  A A A >A  A A A Photo
> 
>>    A attached.
> 
>>    A A  A A A >
> 
>>    A A A A >>>Since I didn't get your
> 
>>    A original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
> 
>>    A A A A either....
> 
>>    A A A A Cheers!
> 
>>    A A A A Mike
> 
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> 
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>> 
> 
>>  1. [280]mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
> 
>>  2. [281]mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 
>>  3. [282]mailto:davel at emspace.com
> 
>>  4. [283]mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 
>>  5. [284]mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> 
>>  6. [285]mailto:davel at emspace.com
> 
>>  7. [286]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 
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>> ------------------------------
> 
>> 
> 
>> Message: 18
> 
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 03:51:32 +0000 (UTC)
> 
>> From: Ken Green < [288]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> 
>> To: Tomas Gunnarsson < [289]guson at home.se>,    "
>   [290]charlesmccall at gmail.com"
> 
>>   < [291]charlesmccall at gmail.com>,    Scott Bell <
>   [292]scott at saccrestorations.net>
> 
>> Cc: " [293]detomaso at poca.com" < [294]detomaso at poca.com>
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> Message-ID:
> 
>>   <
>   [295]1037889853.5193710.1452743492663.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
>> 
> 
>> Scott at SACC ( [296]http://www.saccrestorations.net/) was selling an
>   electric
> 
>   parking brake actuator kit?for?Panteras.? I'm not sure if it is
>   currently
> 
>   available, so you'd have to ask Scott.
> 
>> Ken
> 
>> ?
> 
>> 
> 
>>     From: Tomas Gunnarsson < [297]guson at home.se>
> 
>> To: [298]charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 
>> Cc: [299]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> 
> 
>> ? It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
>   would
> 
>> ? not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the
> 
>> ? brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip
>   the
> 
>> ? switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are
> 
>> ? on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's
> 
>> ? usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated,
>   hydraulics
> 
>> ? are not allowed.
> 
>> 
> 
>> ? Tomas
> 
>> ? <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> 
>> ? ? ? From: Charles McCall [ [300]charlesmccall at gmail.com]
> 
>> ? Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM
> 
>> ? To:
> 
>> ? [301]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [302]guson at home.se;
>   [303]gaino at earthlink.net; [304]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>> ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> ? I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
>   by
> 
>> ? pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
>   mechanical
> 
>> ? 'arm'
> 
>> ? that
> 
>> ? is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that
>   for
> 
>> ? sure?
> 
>> ? ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid -
>   the
> 
>> ? second
> 
>> ? case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
> 
>> ? electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating
>   it at
> 
>> ? any
> 
>> ? speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
> 
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> 
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>> -------------- next part --------------
> 
>>  Scott at SACC ([1] [309]http://www.saccrestorations.net/) was
>   selling an
> 
>>  electric parking brake actuator kit for Panteras.  I'm not sure if
>   it
> 
>>  is currently available, so you'd have to ask Scott.
> 
>>  Ken
> 
>> 
>   __________________________________________________________________
> 
>> 
> 
>>  From: Tomas Gunnarsson < [310]guson at home.se>
> 
>>  To: [311]charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 
>>  Cc: [312]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>>  Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM
> 
>>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>>    It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
> 
>>  would
> 
>>    not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time
>   the
> 
>>    brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you
>   flip
> 
>>  the
> 
>>    switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are
> 
>>    on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's
> 
>>    usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated,
> 
>>  hydraulics
> 
>>    are not allowed.
> 
>>    Tomas
> 
>>    <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> 
>>        From: Charles McCall [[2] [313]charlesmccall at gmail.com]
> 
>>    Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM
> 
>>    To:
> 
>> 
> 
>>  [3] [314]MikeLDrew at aol.com;[4] [315]guson at home.se;[5]
>   [316]gaino at earthlink.net;[6]detomas
> 
>> [317]o at poca.com
> 
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>>    I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
>   by
> 
>>    pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
> 
>>  mechanical
> 
>>    'arm'
> 
>>    that
> 
>>    is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that
>   for
> 
>>    sure?
> 
>>    ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid -
>   the
> 
>>    second
> 
>>    case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have
>   some
> 
>>    electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating
>   it
> 
>>  at
> 
>>    any
> 
>>    speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
> 
>>    _______________________________________________
> 
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> 
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> 
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>   etc.)
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>>  use the links above.
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>> 
> 
>> References
> 
>> 
> 
>>  1. [322]http://www.saccrestorations.net/
> 
>>  2. [323]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 
>>  3. [324]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 
>>  4. [325]mailto:guson at home.se
> 
>>  5. [326]mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
> 
>>  6. [327]mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 
>>  7. [328]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 
>>  8. [329]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 
>>  9. [330]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 
>> 10. [331]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 
>> 
> 
>> ------------------------------
> 
>> 
> 
>> Message: 19
> 
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 20:19:16 -0800
> 
>> From: "Scott Bell" < [332]scott at saccrestorations.net>
> 
>> To: "'Ken Green'" < [333]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> 
>> Cc: < [334]detomaso at poca.com>
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> Message-ID: <013501d14e82$bc2e21f0$348a65d0$@saccrestorations.net>
> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
>> 
> 
>> Yes, the E-Stopp Electronic Parking Brake Kit is back and available
>   to use
> 
>   with the stock Pantera rear Calipers or with any aftermarket parking
>   brake
> 
>   caliper. I will add them back to our website later this week.
> 
>> 
> 
>> We offer the kit as it is sold from E-Stopp. The do-it-yourselfer can
>   fab
> 
>   the brackets needed to mount it in the Pantera. OR, we offer an
>   installation
> 
>   kit that makes the unit a bolt on upgrade.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Interestingly, before I had the E-Stopp installed in my Pantera, I
>   almost
> 
>   never set my parking brake. Not sure why, maybe because I didn?t like
>   how
> 
>   awkward the stock unit was to operate. For the stock unit to work it
>   really
> 
>   needs to be set with a bit or force. Then, to release, I needed to use
>   both
> 
>   hands. After installing the Electronic unit, I set the parking brake
>   every
> 
>   time I park the car.
> 
>> 
> 
>> In addition to the Electronic Actuator, SACC Restorations is coming
>   out
> 
>   with a new Parking Brake Caliper Kit that will be a bolt on unit custom
> 
>   fitted specifically for the Pantera. This will give owners an
>   opportunity to
> 
>   upgrade to a great looking, light weight and affordable parking brake
> 
>   solution. More to come on the new product in the next few weeks!
> 
>> 
> 
>> Scott
> 
>> 
> 
>> From: Ken Green [ [335]mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:52 PM
> 
>> To: Tomas Gunnarsson; [336]charlesmccall at gmail.com; Scott Bell
> 
>> Cc: [337]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> 
> 
>> Scott at SACC ( [338]http://www.saccrestorations.net/) was selling an
>   electric
> 
>   parking brake actuator kit for Panteras.  I'm not sure if it is
>   currently
> 
>   available, so you'd have to ask Scott.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Ken
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> _____
> 
>> 
> 
>> From: Tomas Gunnarsson < [339]guson at home.se>
> 
>> To: [340]charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 
>> Cc: [341]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> 
> 
>> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
>   would
> 
>> not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the
> 
>> brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip
>   the
> 
>> switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are
> 
>> on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's
> 
>> usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated,
>   hydraulics
> 
>> are not allowed.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Tomas
> 
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> 
>>     From: Charles McCall [ [342]charlesmccall at gmail.com]
> 
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM
> 
>> To:
> 
>> [343]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [344]guson at home.se; [345]gaino at earthlink.net;
>   [346]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by
> 
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
>   mechanical
> 
>> 'arm'
> 
>> that
> 
>> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for
> 
>> sure?
> 
>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid -
>   the
> 
>> second
> 
>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some
> 
>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
>   at
> 
>> any
> 
>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
> 
>> _______________________________________________
> 
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> 
>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
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> 
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>   etc.)
> 
>> use the links above.
> 
>> .
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>> 
> 
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> 
>> 
> 
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> 
>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
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> 
>> [349]DeTomaso at poca.com
> 
>> [350]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 
>> 
> 
>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
>   use
> 
>   the links above.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> -------------- next part --------------
> 
>>  Yes, the E-Stopp Electronic Parking Brake Kit is back and available
>   to
> 
>>  use with the stock Pantera rear Calipers or with any aftermarket
> 
>>  parking brake caliper. I will add them back to our website later
>   this
> 
>>  week.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>  We offer the kit as it is sold from E-Stopp. The do-it-yourselfer
>   can
> 
>>  fab the brackets needed to mount it in the Pantera. OR, we offer an
> 
>>  installation kit that makes the unit a bolt on upgrade.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>  Interestingly, before I had the E-Stopp installed in my Pantera, I
> 
>>  almost never set my parking brake. Not sure why, maybe because I
>   didn't
> 
>>  like how awkward the stock unit was to operate. For the stock unit
>   to
> 
>>  work it really needs to be set with a bit or force. Then, to
>   release, I
> 
>>  needed to use both hands. After installing the Electronic unit, I
>   set
> 
>>  the parking brake every time I park the car.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>  In addition to the Electronic Actuator, SACC Restorations is coming
>   out
> 
>>  with a new Parking Brake Caliper Kit that will be a bolt on unit
>   custom
> 
>>  fitted specifically for the Pantera. This will give owners an
> 
>>  opportunity to upgrade to a great looking, light weight and
>   affordable
> 
>>  parking brake solution. More to come on the new product in the next
>   few
> 
>>  weeks!
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> Scott
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>  From: Ken Green [ [351]mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
> 
>>  Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:52 PM
> 
>>  To: Tomas Gunnarsson; [352]charlesmccall at gmail.com; Scott Bell
> 
>>  Cc: [353]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>  Scott at SACC ([1] [354]http://www.saccrestorations.net/) was
>   selling an
> 
>>  electric parking brake actuator kit for Panteras.  I'm not sure if
>   it
> 
>>  is currently available, so you'd have to ask Scott.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>  Ken
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
>   _______________________________________________________________________
> 
>> 
> 
>>  From: Tomas Gunnarsson <[2] [355]guson at home.se>
> 
>>  To: [3] [356]charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 
>> Cc: [4] [357]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>>  Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM
> 
>>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> 
> 
>>    It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
> 
>>  would
> 
>>    not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time
>   the
> 
>>    brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you
>   flip
> 
>>  the
> 
>>    switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are
> 
>>    on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's
> 
>>    usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated,
> 
>>  hydraulics
> 
>>    are not allowed.
> 
>>    Tomas
> 
>>    <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> 
>>        From: Charles McCall [[5] [358]charlesmccall at gmail.com]
> 
>>    Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM
> 
>>    To:
> 
>> 
> 
>>  [6] [359]MikeLDrew at aol.com;[7] [360]guson at home.se;[8]
>   [361]gaino at earthlink.net;[9]detomas
> 
>> [362]o at poca.com
> 
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>>    I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
>   by
> 
>>    pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
> 
>>  mechanical
> 
>>    'arm'
> 
>>    that
> 
>>    is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that
>   for
> 
>>    sure?
> 
>>    ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid -
>   the
> 
>>    second
> 
>>    case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have
>   some
> 
>>    electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating
>   it
> 
>>  at
> 
>>    any
> 
>>    speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
> 
>>    _______________________________________________
> 
>>    Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
> 
>>    Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
> 
>>    DeTomaso mailing list
> 
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> 
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> 
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>   etc.)
> 
>>    use the links above.
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> 
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> 
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> 
>>  To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
>   etc.)
> 
>>  use the links above.
> 
>> 
> 
>> References
> 
>> 
> 
>>  1. [367]http://www.saccrestorations.net/
> 
>>  2. [368]mailto:guson at home.se
> 
>>  3. [369]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 
>>  4. [370]mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 
>>  5. [371]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 
>>  6. [372]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 
>>  7. [373]mailto:guson at home.se
> 
>>  8. [374]mailto:gaino at earthlink.net
> 
>>  9. [375]mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 
>> 10. [376]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 
>> 11. [377]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 
>> 12. [378]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 
>> 13. [379]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 
>> 
> 
>> ------------------------------
> 
>> 
> 
>> Message: 20
> 
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 16:50:07 +0000 (UTC)
> 
>> From: B Hower < [380]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
> 
>> To: De Tomaso List < [381]detomaso at poca.com>
> 
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 91 Merc parts
> 
>> Message-ID:
> 
>>   <
>   [382]749672874.510825.1452790207343.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
>> 
> 
>> Hi all,
> 
>> I am scrapping a 91 Merc Marque. If anyone would happen to need any
>   parts
> 
>   from same,,,,contact me off forum.
> 
>> ?Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
>   be !
> 
>   )
> 
>> -------------- next part --------------
> 
>>  Hi all,
> 
>>  I am scrapping a 91 Merc Marque. If anyone would happen to need any
> 
>>  parts from same,,,,contact me off forum.
> 
>> 
> 
>>  Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
>   be
> 
>>  ! )
> 
>> 
> 
>> ------------------------------
> 
>> 
> 
>> Message: 21
> 
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:26:12 -0500
> 
>> From: Rob Dumoulin < [383]rob at dumoulins.net>
> 
>> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List < [384]DeTomaso at poca.com>
> 
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
> 
>> Message-ID:
> 
>> <
>   [385]CAEr4y_vxSUkwzguCsUO6EJwL3z5uDV7+GGdEiL6YXMPoB4H1jw at mail.gmail.com
>> 
> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
>> 
> 
>> Following Bud's lead,
> 
>> 
> 
>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in
> 
>> Northwest Florida.  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M
> 
>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8)
>   that I
> 
>> have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
>   profit
> 
>   he
> 
>> makes from it.  He is making it pretty to sell.  Catch it quick
>   before he
> 
>> sinks money into it for a better deal.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.  Contact me off
>   list if
> 
>> you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Rob
> 
>> 904.476.8744
> 
>> -------------- next part --------------
> 
>>  Following Bud's lead,
> 
>>  The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture
>   in
> 
>>  Northwest Florida.A  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M
>   rims, M
> 
>>  transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8)
>   that
> 
>>  I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
> 
>>  profit he makes from it.A  He is making it pretty to sell.A  Catch
>   it
> 
>>  quick before he sinks money into it for a better deal.
> 
>>  Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.A  Contact me off
>   list
> 
>>  if you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
> 
>>  Rob
> 
>>  904.476.8744
> 
>> 
> 
>> ------------------------------
> 
>> 
> 
>> Message: 22
> 
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:35:44 -0500
> 
>> From: "Mirril M. McMullen" < [386]mirrilm at earthlink.net>
> 
>> To: "'Rob Dumoulin'" < [387]rob at dumoulins.net>
> 
>> Cc: "'Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List'" < [388]DeTomaso at poca.com>
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
> 
>> Message-ID: <009b01d14ef1$ff563660$fe02a320$@earthlink.net>
> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> 
>> 
> 
>> Hmmm,
> 
>> 
> 
>> Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
> 
>> 
> 
>> /\/\///
> 
>> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
> 
>> From: DeTomaso [ [389]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
>   Rob
> 
>   Dumoulin
> 
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM
> 
>> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List
> 
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
> 
>> 
> 
>> Following Bud's lead,
> 
>> 
> 
>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in
> 
>   Northwest Florida.  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M
> 
>   transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8) that
>   I
> 
>   have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
>   profit he
> 
>   makes from it.  He is making it pretty to sell.  Catch it quick before
>   he
> 
>   sinks money into it for a better deal.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.  Contact me off
>   list if
> 
>   you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Rob
> 
>> 904.476.8744
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> ------------------------------
> 
>> 
> 
>> Message: 23
> 
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:55:15 -0500
> 
>> From: Rob Dumoulin < [390]rob at dumoulins.net>
> 
>> To: Mirril McMullen < [391]mirrilm at earthlink.net>
> 
>> Cc: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List < [392]DeTomaso at poca.com>
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
> 
>> Message-ID:
> 
>>   <
>   [393]CAEr4y_tsVfHd1sESiSVDnm-VZD7x5PkuiCm2OTmAZ1mJ7ZkmCw at mail.gmail.com
>> 
> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
>> 
> 
>> Not at all.  Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few years
>   ago.
> 
>> Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff.  Always got
> 
>> synthetic oil changes regular.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 240K miles and a transmission that will not go into reverse when
>   engine is
> 
>> hot was the kicker.  That and the interior is showing age.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still glides
>   down
> 
>> the road.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Rob DuMoulin
> 
>> 904.476.8744
> 
>> [394]rob at dumoulins.net
> 
>> [395]www.kbsi.co
> 
>> [396]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
> 
>> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
> 
>   < [397]mirrilm at earthlink.net>
> 
>> wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
>>> Hmmm,
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> /\/\///
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
> 
>>> From: DeTomaso [ [398]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
>   Rob
> 
>>> Dumoulin
> 
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM
> 
>>> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List
> 
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> Following Bud's lead,
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in
> 
>>> Northwest Florida.  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims,
>   M
> 
>>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8)
>   that I
> 
>>> have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
>   profit
> 
>   he
> 
>>> makes from it.  He is making it pretty to sell.  Catch it quick
>   before he
> 
>>> sinks money into it for a better deal.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.  Contact me off
>   list if
> 
>>> you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> Rob
> 
>>> 904.476.8744
> 
>> -------------- next part --------------
> 
>>  Not at all.A  Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few
>   years
> 
>>  ago. A
> 
>>  Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff.A  Always
>   got
> 
>>  synthetic oil changes regular.
> 
>>  240K miles and a transmission that will not go into reverse when
>   engine
> 
>>  is hot was the kicker.A  That and the interior is showing age.A
> 
>>  Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still
>   glides
> 
>>  down the road.
> 
>> 
> 
>>  Rob DuMoulin
> 
>>  904.476.8744
> 
>>  [1] [399]rob at dumoulins.net
> 
>>  [2] [400]www.kbsi.co
> 
>>  [3] [401]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
> 
>>  On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
> 
>>  <[4] [402]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
>>   Hmmm,
> 
>>    Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
> 
>>    /\/\///
> 
>> 
> 
>>  -----Original Message-----
> 
>>  From: DeTomaso [ [403]mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
>   Behalf Of Rob
> 
>>  Dumoulin
> 
>>  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM
> 
>>  To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List
> 
>>  Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
> 
>>  Following Bud's lead,
> 
>>  The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture
>   in
> 
>>  Northwest Florida.A  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M
>   rims, M
> 
>>  transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8)
>   that
> 
>>  I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
> 
>> profit he makes from it.A  He is making it pretty to sell.A  Catch it
> 
>>  quick before he sinks money into it for a better deal.
> 
>>  Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.A  Contact me off
>   list
> 
>>  if you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
> 
>>  Rob
> 
>>  904.476.8744
> 
>> 
> 
>> References
> 
>> 
> 
>>  1. [404]mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
> 
>>  2. [405]http://www.kbsi.co/
> 
>>  3. [406]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
> 
>>  4. [407]mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
> 
>>  5. [408]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> 
>> 
> 
>> ------------------------------
> 
>> 
> 
>> Message: 24
> 
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:56:57 -0500
> 
>> From: Rob Dumoulin < [409]rob at dumoulins.net>
> 
>> To: Mirril McMullen < [410]mirrilm at earthlink.net>
> 
>> Cc: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List < [411]DeTomaso at poca.com>
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
> 
>> Message-ID:
> 
>>   <CAEr4y_ubKH1kTNF61wqfS+TpW+q2OPZuP=uwOjq5Y=
>   [412]FhZt-Apw at mail.gmail.com>
> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
>> 
> 
>> Forgot to add....I have 6 cars. I do not need 6 cars.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Rob DuMoulin
> 
>> 904.476.8744
> 
>> [413]rob at dumoulins.net
> 
>> [414]www.kbsi.co
> 
>> [415]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
> 
>> 
> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Rob Dumoulin <
>   [416]rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> Not at all.  Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few years
>   ago.
> 
>>> Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff.  Always got
> 
>>> synthetic oil changes regular.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> 240K miles and a transmission that will not go into reverse when
>   engine
> 
>   is
> 
>>> hot was the kicker.  That and the interior is showing age.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still
>   glides
> 
>   down
> 
>>> the road.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> Rob DuMoulin
> 
>>> 904.476.8744
> 
>>> [417]rob at dumoulins.net
> 
>>> [418]www.kbsi.co
> 
>>> [419]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen <
> 
>>> [420]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>>> 
> 
>>>> Hmmm,
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>> Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>> /\/\///
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
> 
>>>> From: DeTomaso [ [421]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
>   Of Rob
> 
>>>> Dumoulin
> 
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM
> 
>>>> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List
> 
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>> Following Bud's lead,
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture
>   in
> 
>>>> Northwest Florida.  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims,
>   M
> 
>>>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8)
>   that I
> 
>>>> have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
>   profit
> 
>   he
> 
>>>> makes from it.  He is making it pretty to sell.  Catch it quick
>   before
> 
>   he
> 
>>>> sinks money into it for a better deal.
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.  Contact me off
>   list
> 
>   if
> 
>>>> you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
> 
>>>> 
> 
>>>> Rob
> 
>>>> 904.476.8744
> 
>> -------------- next part --------------
> 
>>  Forgot to add....I have 6 cars.A  I do not need 6 cars.
> 
>> 
> 
>>  Rob DuMoulin
> 
>>  904.476.8744
> 
>> [1] [422]rob at dumoulins.net
> 
>>  [2] [423]www.kbsi.co
> 
>>  [3] [424]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
> 
>>  On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Rob Dumoulin <[4]
>   [425]rob at dumoulins.net>
> 
>>  wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
>>  Not at all.A  Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few
>   years
> 
>>  ago. A
> 
>>  Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff.A  Always
>   got
> 
>>  synthetic oil changes regular.
> 
>>  240K miles and a transmission that will not go into reverse when
>   engine
> 
>>  is hot was the kicker.A  That and the interior is showing age.A
> 
>>  Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still
>   glides
> 
>>  down the road.
> 
>> 
> 
>>  Rob DuMoulin
> 
>>  [5]904.476.8744
> 
>>  [6] [426]rob at dumoulins.net
> 
>>  [7] [427]www.kbsi.co
> 
>>  [8] [428]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
> 
>>  On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
> 
>>  <[9] [429]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
>>   Hmmm,
> 
>>    Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
> 
>>    /\/\///
> 
>> 
> 
>>  -----Original Message-----
> 
>>  From: DeTomaso [ [430]mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
>   Behalf Of Rob
> 
>>  Dumoulin
> 
>>  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM
> 
>>  To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List
> 
>>  Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
> 
>>  Following Bud's lead,
> 
>>  The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture
>   in
> 
>>  Northwest Florida.A  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M
>   rims, M
> 
>>  transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8)
>   that
> 
>>  I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
> 
>> profit he makes from it.A  He is making it pretty to sell.A  Catch it
> 
>>  quick before he sinks money into it for a better deal.
> 
>>  Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.A  Contact me off
>   list
> 
>>  if you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
> 
>>  Rob
> 
>>  [11]904.476.8744
> 
>> 
> 
>> References
> 
>> 
> 
>>  1. [431]mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
> 
>>  2. [432]http://www.kbsi.co/
> 
>>  3. [433]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
> 
>>  4. [434]mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
> 
>>  5. tel:904.476.8744
> 
>>  6. [435]mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
> 
>>  7. [436]http://www.kbsi.co/
> 
>>  8. [437]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
> 
>>  9. [438]mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net
> 
>> 10. [439]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> 
>> 11. tel:904.476.8744
> 
>> 
> 
>> ------------------------------
> 
>> 
> 
>> Message: 25
> 
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 18:08:58 +0000 (UTC)
> 
>> From: marshall smith < [440]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> 
>> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' < [441]guson at home.se>,  <
>   [442]gaino at earthlink.net>,
> 
>>   Stephen < [443]steve at snclocks.com>
> 
>> Cc: < [444]detomaso at poca.com>
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> Message-ID:
> 
>> <
>   [445]819779826.4191306.1452794938797.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
>> 
> 
>> Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
> 
>> --------------------------------------------
> 
>> On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen < [446]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" < [447]guson at home.se>,
>   [448]gaino at earthlink.net
> 
>> Cc: [449]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???Whilst `inelegant',
> 
>> at least the stock system works well.? I installed
> 
>> ???Wildwoods on the front of the discs and
> 
>> kept the originals on the
> 
>> ???back.? I did have the originals
> 
>> coated black - heck, doesn't look that
> 
>> ???bad.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???Stephen Nelson
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???-----Original Message-----
> 
>> ???From: DeTomaso [ [450]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
> 
>> On Behalf Of Tomas
> 
>> ???Gunnarsson
> 
>> ???Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
> 
>> ???To: [451]gaino at earthlink.net
> 
>> ???Cc: [452]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>> ???Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't
> 
>> work as an emergency brake
> 
>> ???and parking brake function is dubious. If
> 
>> you park your car with the
> 
>> ???brakes hot they may release when they cool
> 
>> off.
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???Tomas
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> 
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> 
>> ???From: bill gaino [ [453]gaino at earthlink.net]
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???To: [1] [454]detomaso at poca.com
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???Is anybody using a solinoid based parking
> 
>> brake? Something that that
> 
>> ???blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold
> 
>> calipers pressed against the
> 
>> ???rotors. My customer does not want the
> 
>> extra set of E brake calipers..
> 
>> 
> 
>> ???like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:21:13 -0500
> From: Dave <dave at damardirect.com>
> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Peter Brock-designed Shelby De Tomaso P70 to
> 	appear at	Amelia Island
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> http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2016/01/15/peter-brock-designed-shelby-de-tomaso-p70-to-appear-at-amelia-island/?refer=news
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> IndyDave (still kickin')
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>   [1]http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2016/01/15/peter-brock-designed-s
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 07:19:12 -0800
> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
> To: <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Cc: <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> Message-ID: <6B6AB7A68C1546F59AD7812E9C5B9825 at mail2world.com>
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> 
> When I park on an incline the brakes are for obvious reasons applied
> when I pull the handle. It works that way too of course. :-)
> 
> Tomas
> 
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> 
> 	  	 From: Will Kooiman [will.kooiman at gmail.com]
> Sent: 15/1/2016 1:57:24 PM
> To:
> b.hower3400 at yahoo.com;steve at snclocks.com;marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net;gu
> son at home.se;gaino at earthlink.net
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes 
> 
> You're not supposed to apply the brake pedal when you set the e-brake. 
> 
> You just yank on the handle and you're set. 
> 
> That's why it's also an emergency brake. If your hydraulics go out, you 
> can use your hand brake in an emergency. 
> 
> -- 
> Will 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/15/16 6:41 AM, "B Hower via DeTomaso" <detomaso at poca.com> wrote: 
> 
>> Question?? Aren't you supposed to apply brake pedal to apply pad 
>> pressure while setting the E-brake, thus you are only taking slack out
>> of lever system? Am missing something here? 
>> 
>> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
>> ! ) 
>> __________________________________________________________________ 
>> 
>> From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com> 
>> To: 'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; 'Tomas
> Gunnarsson' 
>> <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net 
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:36 PM 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes 
>> Fortunately my wife has strong arms - that is the thing about our 
>> e-brakes - the passenger needs to set and release them. 
>> Stephen Nelson 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: marshall smith [mailto:[1]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net] 
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09 AM 
>> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <[2]guson at home.se>; [3]gaino at earthlink.net; 
>> Stephen <[4]steve at snclocks.com> 
>> Cc: [5]detomaso at poca.com 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes 
>> Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill! 
>> -------------------------------------------- 
>> On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <[6]steve at snclocks.com> wrote: 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes 
>> To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <[7]guson at home.se>, [8]gaino at earthlink.net 
>> Cc: [9]detomaso at poca.com 
>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM 
>> Whilst `inelegant', 
>> at least the stock system works well. I installed 
>> Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals on the 
>> back. I did have the originals 
>> coated black - heck, doesn't look that 
>> bad. 
>> Stephen Nelson 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] 
>> On Behalf Of Tomas 
>> Gunnarsson 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM 
>> To: [11]gaino at earthlink.net 
>> Cc: [12]detomaso at poca.com 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes 
>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency 
>> brake 
>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with 
>> the 
>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off. 
>> Tomas 
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: bill gaino [[13]gaino at earthlink.net] 
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM 
>> To: [1][14]detomaso at poca.com 
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes 
>> Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that 
>> that 
>> blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against 
>> the 
>> rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake 
>> calipers.. 
>> like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362 
>> 
>> 
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>   When I park on an incline the brakes are for obvious reasons applied
>   when I pull the handle. It works that way too of course. :-)
> 
> 
> 
>   Tomas
>   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> 
>       From: Will Kooiman [will.kooiman at gmail.com]
>   Sent: 15/1/2016 1:57:24 PM
>   To:
>   b.hower3400 at yahoo.com;steve at snclocks.com;marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net;g
>   uson at home.se;gaino at earthlink.net
>   Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>   You're not supposed to apply the brake pedal when you set the e-brake.
>   You just yank on the handle and you're set.
>   That's why it's also an emergency brake. If your hydraulics go out, you
>   can use your hand brake in an emergency.
>   --
>   Will
>   On 1/15/16 6:41 AM, "B Hower via DeTomaso" <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>> Question?? Aren't you supposed to apply brake pedal to apply pad
>> pressure while setting the E-brake, thus you are only taking slack
>   out
>> of lever system? Am missing something here?
>> 
>> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
>   be
>> ! )
>> __________________________________________________________________
>> 
>> From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
>> To: 'marshall smith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; 'Tomas
>   Gunnarsson'
>> <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> Fortunately my wife has strong arms - that is the thing about our
>> e-brakes - the passenger needs to set and release them.
>> Stephen Nelson
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: marshall smith [mailto:[1]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:09 AM
>> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <[2]guson at home.se>; [3]gaino at earthlink.net;
>> Stephen <[4]steve at snclocks.com>
>> Cc: [5]detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen <[6]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <[7]guson at home.se>, [8]gaino at earthlink.net
>> Cc: [9]detomaso at poca.com
>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
>> Whilst `inelegant',
>> at least the stock system works well. I installed
>> Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals on the
>> back. I did have the originals
>> coated black - heck, doesn't look that
>> bad.
>> Stephen Nelson
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
>> On Behalf Of Tomas
>> Gunnarsson
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
>> To: [11]gaino at earthlink.net
>> Cc: [12]detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
>> brake
>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with
>> the
>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>> Tomas
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>> 
>> 
>> From: bill gaino [[13]gaino at earthlink.net]
>> Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
>> To: [1][14]detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>> Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that
>> that
>> blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against
>> the
>> rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake
>> calipers..
>> like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
>> 
>> 
>   [2][15]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref
>> =ts&
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:34:37 -0600
> From: "Timothy Meyer" <fordmachinist at gmail.com>
> To: "'Patrick HALS'" <patrickhals at gmail.com>,	<detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
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> We are working with a company that is attempting to make us forged crank and rods stroker packages
> that is internally balanced already.
> At this point nobody has an internal balanced package for a 9.200" block
> 
> It may be a few months until they hit the market.
> 
> Tim Meyer
> TMeyer Inc.
> 
> www.tmeyerinc.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Patrick HALS
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 3:37 AM
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
> 
> Hi all,
> What would be the best suggestion for a high power output, complete Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit , if such complete kit exists?
> When I mean " best suggestion " , that is the best value- reliability-
> power-torque- fun and money ratio for a quick street engine . Complicated ratio.... :>)) What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine ) Cleveland heads.
> Just curious....
> Thank you !
> Pat
> Candy 2862 - ADA 9628
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 07:34:41 -0800
> From: "Stephen" <steve at snclocks.com>
> To: "'Mikael'" <mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>,	"'Tomas Gunnarsson'"
> 	<guson at home.se>, <gaino at earthlink.net>
> Cc: <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Perf parking brakes
> Message-ID: <006101d14faa$413d8340$c3b889c0$@snclocks.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Very nice - they didn't mention this option (or at least I don't remember
> it) when I was setting up my calipers...
> 
> Stephen Nelson
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mikael [mailto:mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk] 
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 11:14 PM
> To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' <guson at home.se>; gaino at earthlink.net
> Cc: steve at snclocks.com; detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Pantera Perf parking brakes
> 
> Sorry to be late to the party, and this may already have been addressed. I
> bought new brakes from Pantera Performance, including a parking brake only
> rear billet calipers. A lot lighter and prettier than keeping the old rear
> caliper IMO. Pictures from during installation, adjusting nuts go on each
> side of bracket
> 
> Mvh/Regards
> Mikael
> 
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Tomas Gunnarsson [mailto:guson at home.se]
> Sendt: 13. januar 2016 20:28
> Til: gaino at earthlink.net
> Cc: steve at snclocks.com; detomaso at poca.com
> Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side of the
> uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that not all
> uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only newer cars that
> suffer from that.
> 
> Tomas
> 
> 
> 
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> 
> 	 	From: bill gaino [gaino at earthlink.net]
> Sent: 13/1/2016 6:13:51 PM
> To: steve at snclocks.com;guson at home.se
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes 
> 
> 
> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position to use as
> Ebrake?  He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired on the rear
> mounts..Bill 1362
> 
> 
> 
> 	-----Original Message----- 
> 	From: Stephen 
> 	Sent: Jan 13, 2016 11:21 AM 
> 	To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' , gaino at earthlink.net 
> 	Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
> 	Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes 
> 	
> 	
> 
> 	Whilst 'inelegant', at least the stock system works well.  I
> installed Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals on the
> back.  I did have the originals coated black - heck, doesn't look that bad.
> 
> 	 
> 
> 	Stephen Nelson
> 
> 	 
> 
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Tomas
> Gunnarsson
> 	Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM
> 	To: gaino at earthlink.net
> 	Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> 	Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> 
> 	 
> 
> 	That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
> brake and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the
> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
> 
> 	
> 
> 	Tomas
> 
> 	 
> 
> 	<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> 
> 	 
> 
> 	                              From: bill gaino [gaino at earthlink.net]
> 
> 	Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM
> 
> 	To: detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com> 
> 
> 	Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes 
> 
> 	 
> 
> 	Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that that
> blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against the rotors.
> My customer does not want the extra set of E brake calipers..
> 
> 	like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362 
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:41:06 -0600
> From: Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Decent 72 on BaT
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> No rear roll bar?
> 
> Paul
> #9270
> 
> On 1/14/2016 10:47 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso wrote:
>>    Looks like a very clean, well-maintained, stock car.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>    Based on our recent discussions of what one should insure a car for, it
>>    should go for $80K. We'll see.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>    Jim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>    -----Original Message-----
>>    From: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>>    To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>>    Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 5:48 pm
>>    Subject: [DeTomaso] Decent 72 on BaT
>>    Here's a '72 that just went up on BAT auctions. It looks like it's out
>>    of Dallas, TX.
>>    [1][1]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-3/
>>    References
>>    1. [2]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-3/
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> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 10:49:27 -0500
> From: Tom Shinrock <tmshinro at aol.com>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Decent 72 on BaT
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> Saw the same thing with the missing rear roll bar but the next picture shows it installed.
> 
> 
> Tom
> 5176
> 
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com>
> To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2016 9:41 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Decent 72 on BaT
> 
> No rear roll bar?
> 
> Paul
> #9270
> 
> On 1/14/2016 10:47 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso wrote:
>>    Looks like a very clean, well-maintained, stock car.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Based on our recent discussions of what one should insure a car for, it
>>    should go for $80K. We'll see.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>    Jim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>>    From: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>> To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>>    Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 5:48 pm
>>    Subject: [DeTomaso] Decent 72 on BaT
>>    Here's a '72 that just went up on BAT auctions. It looks like it's out
>>    of Dallas, TX.
>>    [1][1]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-3/
>>    References
>>    1. [2]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-3/
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>   Saw the same thing with the missing rear roll bar but the next picture
>   shows it installed.
> 
>   Tom
> 
>   5176
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com>
>   To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>   Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2016 9:41 am
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Decent 72 on BaT
>   No rear roll bar?
>   Paul
>   #9270
>   On 1/14/2016 10:47 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso wrote:
>> Looks like a very clean, well-maintained, stock car.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Based on our recent discussions of what one should insure a car for,
>   it
>> should go for $80K. We'll see.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>> To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 5:48 pm
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Decent 72 on BaT
>> Here's a '72 that just went up on BAT auctions. It looks like it's
>   out
>> of Dallas, TX.
>> [1][1]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-3/
>> References
>> 1. [2]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-3/
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> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 16:18:07 +0000
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, Patrick HALS
> 	<patrickhals at gmail.com>, "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
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>> From what I have heard and seen documented Dan Jones has perfected an ideal combination of parts for a 408 stroker. I believe that is all documented somewhere in a shopping list style format, so albeit not an "off one shelf kit", it is a complete list of parts required for assembly.
> 
> I would expect the success (longevity) of any stroker kit to lie in the careful selection of the block, especially if that is a used block as opposed to one of the aftermarket offerings now available.
> 
> Julian
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 3:38 AM
> To: Patrick HALS; detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
> 
> Best will vary depending on who you talk to.
> 
> I was very happy with my 377?, offset ground stock crank stroker kit from
> Dennis Quella.  I killed that engine due to a mistake I made - not related
> to the stroker kit.
> 
> I am also very happy with the 408", 4? SCAT crank kit that I currently
> have.
> 
> These days, it?s hard to go wrong with anything.
> 
> On 1/15/16, 4:36 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Patrick HALS"
> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of patrickhals at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>  Hi all,A
>>  What would be the best suggestion for a high power output, complete
>>  Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit , if such complete kit exists?A
>>  When I mean " best suggestion " , that is the best value- reliability-
>>  power-torque- fun and money ratio for a quick street engine .
>>  Complicated ratio.... :>))
>>  What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine ) Cleveland
>>  heads.
>>  Just curious....
>>  Thank you !
>>  Pat
>>  Candy 2862 - ADA 9628
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> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 11:38:34 -0600
> From: Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, Patrick HALS
> 	<patrickhals at gmail.com>,	"detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
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>> What would be the best suggestion for a high power output, complete Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit
> 
> The best bang-for-the-buck kit for a street driven Cleveland is the 4"
> stroke Scat 9000 series cast crank, forged I-beam rod and forged
> piston kit.  9000 series crankshafts have a 351C crank snout (takes
> standard 351C balancer and timing set).  Note that all of the
> reasonably priced forged crank kits, including Scat's, use a 351W
> snout crank with 351C main bearing diameters and require either a
> snout spacer or a timing set with integral spacer.  Depending upon the
> desired compression ratio and your cylinder head compression ratio,
> the 393C Scat kit may be a better fit but custom or option pistons can
> usually be substituted for a small price increase.  The cost to
> upgrade to a forged crank is only a few hundred dollars and is
> recommended for higher HP applications or racing applications which
> shock load the crank.  Note that some of the low cost 4" stroker kits
> are designed for 9.5" blocks with 6.2" long rods and will have piston
> skirt to crank clearance issues.  Turning down the OD of such a crank
> and re-balancing can be a very expensive proposition.  For higher RPM
> applications, there are shorter strokes which can be used to keep the
> piston speed down as desired.  The Scat 3.85" (393 cubic inch if
> 4.030" bore) and 4.0" (408 cubic inch if 4.030" bore) are both
> designed to require no expensive Mallory metal to balance to 28.2
> oz-in.  Depending upon the rod and piston weight, they can often be
> internally balanced with only a small amount of Mallory metal.  My own
> 403 (4.005" bore by 4" stroke) is internally balanced.
> 
> Like all the reasonable cost stroker kits, Scat's raw forgings are
> Chinese sourced.  Scat can claim "Made in the USA" in their catalogs
> because they do final machining on their forged crankshafts in
> California while the cast 9000 series cranks are machined in China.
> Mike Drew and I toured Scat's facility in California and had an
> interesting discussion with Tom Lieb (Scat's founder) on Scat's OEM
> level quality control process and the difficulty of running a
> manufacturing business in the United States (and California in
> particular).
> 
> If you know what you are doing, it's no big deal to piece together a
> custom kit of crank, rods and pistons to fit your specific needs.
> 
>> What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine ) Cleveland heads.
> 
> In our testing of 8 different intakes (along with various spacers) on
> a 408C, the Holley Strip Dominator and Edelbrock Scorpion single
> planes and a ported Blue Thunder dual plane were very close in
> performance.  Note that none of these fit under a stock engine screen.
> Our best results have come with a custom Holley carb from Bobby Oliver
> at Competition Carburetion.
> 
>> We are working with a company that is attempting to make us forged crank and rods stroker packages that is internally balanced already. At this point nobody has an internal balanced package for a 9.200" block
> 
> That will be a welcome addition Tim.
> 
> Dan Jones
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:48:39 -0800
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>,	Patrick HALS
> 	<patrickhals at gmail.com>,	"detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
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> Dan,
> 
> Excellent write up, but you forgot that of the intakes tested the blue thunder was among the best, and it DOES fit under the stock screen....
> 
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jan 15, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> What would be the best suggestion for a high power output, complete Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit
>> 
>> The best bang-for-the-buck kit for a street driven Cleveland is the 4"
>> stroke Scat 9000 series cast crank, forged I-beam rod and forged
>> piston kit.  9000 series crankshafts have a 351C crank snout (takes
>> standard 351C balancer and timing set).  Note that all of the
>> reasonably priced forged crank kits, including Scat's, use a 351W
>> snout crank with 351C main bearing diameters and require either a
>> snout spacer or a timing set with integral spacer.  Depending upon the
>> desired compression ratio and your cylinder head compression ratio,
>> the 393C Scat kit may be a better fit but custom or option pistons can
>> usually be substituted for a small price increase.  The cost to
>> upgrade to a forged crank is only a few hundred dollars and is
>> recommended for higher HP applications or racing applications which
>> shock load the crank.  Note that some of the low cost 4" stroker kits
>> are designed for 9.5" blocks with 6.2" long rods and will have piston
>> skirt to crank clearance issues.  Turning down the OD of such a crank
>> and re-balancing can be a very expensive proposition.  For higher RPM
>> applications, there are shorter strokes which can be used to keep the
>> piston speed down as desired.  The Scat 3.85" (393 cubic inch if
>> 4.030" bore) and 4.0" (408 cubic inch if 4.030" bore) are both
>> designed to require no expensive Mallory metal to balance to 28.2
>> oz-in.  Depending upon the rod and piston weight, they can often be
>> internally balanced with only a small amount of Mallory metal.  My own
>> 403 (4.005" bore by 4" stroke) is internally balanced.
>> 
>> Like all the reasonable cost stroker kits, Scat's raw forgings are
>> Chinese sourced.  Scat can claim "Made in the USA" in their catalogs
>> because they do final machining on their forged crankshafts in
>> California while the cast 9000 series cranks are machined in China.
>> Mike Drew and I toured Scat's facility in California and had an
>> interesting discussion with Tom Lieb (Scat's founder) on Scat's OEM
>> level quality control process and the difficulty of running a
>> manufacturing business in the United States (and California in
>> particular).
>> 
>> If you know what you are doing, it's no big deal to piece together a
>> custom kit of crank, rods and pistons to fit your specific needs.
>> 
>>> What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine ) Cleveland heads.
>> 
>> In our testing of 8 different intakes (along with various spacers) on
>> a 408C, the Holley Strip Dominator and Edelbrock Scorpion single
>> planes and a ported Blue Thunder dual plane were very close in
>> performance.  Note that none of these fit under a stock engine screen.
>> Our best results have come with a custom Holley carb from Bobby Oliver
>> at Competition Carburetion.
>> 
>>> We are working with a company that is attempting to make us forged crank and rods stroker packages that is internally balanced already. At this point nobody has an internal balanced package for a 9.200" block
>> 
>> That will be a welcome addition Tim.
>> 
>> Dan Jones
>> 
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> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 13:17:08 -0500
> From: Scott Martin <smmartin7 at netscape.net>
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
> Message-ID: <15246815bf9-7eac-ed28 at webprd-m89.mail.aol.com>
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> Does anyone have experience with the Titus Cleveland http://www.titusperformanceproducts.com/, how do they compare to the other options?
> 
> Scott Martin
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> To: Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>; Patrick HALS <patrickhals at gmail.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2016 12:49 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
> 
> Dan,
> 
> Excellent write up, but you forgot that of the intakes tested the blue thunder was among the best, and it DOES fit under the stock screen....
> 
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jan 15, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> What would be the best suggestion for a high power output, complete Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit
>> 
>> The best bang-for-the-buck kit for a street driven Cleveland is the 4"
>> stroke Scat 9000 series cast crank, forged I-beam rod and forged
>> piston kit.  9000 series crankshafts have a 351C crank snout (takes
>> standard 351C balancer and timing set).  Note that all of the
>> reasonably priced forged crank kits, including Scat's, use a 351W
>> snout crank with 351C main bearing diameters and require either a
>> snout spacer or a timing set with integral spacer.  Depending upon the
>> desired compression ratio and your cylinder head compression ratio,
>> the 393C Scat kit may be a better fit but custom or option pistons can
>> usually be substituted for a small price increase.  The cost to
>> upgrade to a forged crank is only a few hundred dollars and is
>> recommended for higher HP applications or racing applications which
>> shock load the crank.  Note that some of the low cost 4" stroker kits
>> are designed for 9.5" blocks with 6.2" long rods and will have piston
>> skirt to crank clearance issues.  Turning down the OD of such a crank
>> and re-balancing can be a very expensive proposition.  For higher RPM
>> applications, there are shorter strokes which can be used to keep the
>> piston speed down as desired.  The Scat 3.85" (393 cubic inch if
>> 4.030" bore) and 4.0" (408 cubic inch if 4.030" bore) are both
>> designed to require no expensive Mallory metal to balance to 28.2
>> oz-in.  Depending upon the rod and piston weight, they can often be
>> internally balanced with only a small amount of Mallory metal.  My own
>> 403 (4.005" bore by 4" stroke) is internally balanced.
>> 
>> Like all the reasonable cost stroker kits, Scat's raw forgings are
>> Chinese sourced.  Scat can claim "Made in the USA" in their catalogs
>> because they do final machining on their forged crankshafts in
>> California while the cast 9000 series cranks are machined in China.
>> Mike Drew and I toured Scat's facility in California and had an
>> interesting discussion with Tom Lieb (Scat's founder) on Scat's OEM
>> level quality control process and the difficulty of running a
>> manufacturing business in the United States (and California in
>> particular).
>> 
>> If you know what you are doing, it's no big deal to piece together a
>> custom kit of crank, rods and pistons to fit your specific needs.
>> 
>>> What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine ) Cleveland heads.
>> 
>> In our testing of 8 different intakes (along with various spacers) on
>> a 408C, the Holley Strip Dominator and Edelbrock Scorpion single
>> planes and a ported Blue Thunder dual plane were very close in
>> performance.  Note that none of these fit under a stock engine screen.
>> Our best results have come with a custom Holley carb from Bobby Oliver
>> at Competition Carburetion.
>> 
>>> We are working with a company that is attempting to make us forged crank and rods stroker packages that is internally balanced already. At this point nobody has an internal balanced package for a 9.200" block
>> 
>> That will be a welcome addition Tim.
>> 
>> Dan Jones
>> 
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>   Does anyone have experience with the Titus
>   Cleveland http://www.titusperformanceproducts.com/, how do they compare
>   to the other options?
>   Scott Martin
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>   To: Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
>   Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>; Patrick HALS <patrickhals at gmail.com>
>   Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2016 12:49 pm
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best stroker kit for a Cleveland
>   Dan,
>   Excellent write up, but you forgot that of the intakes tested the blue
>   thunder was among the best, and it DOES fit under the stock screen....
>   Mike
>   Sent from my iPad
>   On Jan 15, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Daniel C Jones
>   <[1]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> What would be the best suggestion for a high power output, complete
>   Cleveland ( or Windsor ) stroker kit
>> 
>> The best bang-for-the-buck kit for a street driven Cleveland is the
>   4"
>> stroke Scat 9000 series cast crank, forged I-beam rod and forged
>> piston kit. 9000 series crankshafts have a 351C crank snout (takes
>> standard 351C balancer and timing set). Note that all of the
>> reasonably priced forged crank kits, including Scat's, use a 351W
>> snout crank with 351C main bearing diameters and require either a
>> snout spacer or a timing set with integral spacer. Depending upon the
>> desired compression ratio and your cylinder head compression ratio,
>> the 393C Scat kit may be a better fit but custom or option pistons
>   can
>> usually be substituted for a small price increase. The cost to
>> upgrade to a forged crank is only a few hundred dollars and is
>> recommended for higher HP applications or racing applications which
>> shock load the crank. Note that some of the low cost 4" stroker kits
>> are designed for 9.5" blocks with 6.2" long rods and will have piston
>> skirt to crank clearance issues. Turning down the OD of such a crank
>> and re-balancing can be a very expensive proposition. For higher RPM
>> applications, there are shorter strokes which can be used to keep the
>> piston speed down as desired. The Scat 3.85" (393 cubic inch if
>> 4.030" bore) and 4.0" (408 cubic inch if 4.030" bore) are both
>> designed to require no expensive Mallory metal to balance to 28.2
>> oz-in. Depending upon the rod and piston weight, they can often be
>> internally balanced with only a small amount of Mallory metal. My own
>> 403 (4.005" bore by 4" stroke) is internally balanced.
>> 
>> Like all the reasonable cost stroker kits, Scat's raw forgings are
>> Chinese sourced. Scat can claim "Made in the USA" in their catalogs
>> because they do final machining on their forged crankshafts in
>> California while the cast 9000 series cranks are machined in China.
>> Mike Drew and I toured Scat's facility in California and had an
>> interesting discussion with Tom Lieb (Scat's founder) on Scat's OEM
>> level quality control process and the difficulty of running a
>> manufacturing business in the United States (and California in
>> particular).
>> 
>> If you know what you are doing, it's no big deal to piece together a
>> custom kit of crank, rods and pistons to fit your specific needs.
>> 
>>> What carburettor and intake ? Wet sump ( not a race engine )
>   Cleveland heads.
>> 
>> In our testing of 8 different intakes (along with various spacers) on
>> a 408C, the Holley Strip Dominator and Edelbrock Scorpion single
>> planes and a ported Blue Thunder dual plane were very close in
>> performance. Note that none of these fit under a stock engine screen.
>> Our best results have come with a custom Holley carb from Bobby
>   Oliver
>> at Competition Carburetion.
>> 
>>> We are working with a company that is attempting to make us forged
>   crank and rods stroker packages that is internally balanced already. At
>   this point nobody has an internal balanced package for a 9.200" block
>> 
>> That will be a welcome addition Tim.
>> 
>> Dan Jones
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
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> 
> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 18:18:37 +0000
> From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> To: Dave <dave at damardirect.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
> 	<detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Peter Brock-designed Shelby De Tomaso P70 to
> 	appear at Amelia Island
> Message-ID: <D2BE77A0.83534%thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Whaaat??  Really.  I did not know this!.  Interesting?
> 
> 
> "[snip]
> Entered in three races, the Sport 5000 arrived at just one, the 1966 Grand Prix of Mugello, where the car failed to complete the first lap.
> Still, the P70 development effort paid off for De Tomaso, which used a variant of the P70 chassis to underpin the Mangusta (Italian for Mongoose,
> a not-so-subtle jab at Shelby and his Cobra) and the later Pantera.
> 
> 
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
> 
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> InSight Sequence Team Lead
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell:     (818) 653-8213
> Fax:     (818) 393-3147
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> ??
> 
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on behalf of Dave <dave at damardirect.com<mailto:dave at damardirect.com>>
> Date: Friday, January 15, 2016 6:21 AM
> To: "detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>" <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Peter Brock-designed Shelby De Tomaso P70 to appear at Amelia Island
> 
> http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2016/01/15/peter-brock-designed-shelby-de-tomaso-p70-to-appear-at-amelia-island/?refer=news
> 
> IndyDave (still kickin')
> 
> -------------- next part --------------
>   Whaaat??  Really.  I did not know this!.  Interesting...
>   "[snip]
>   Entered in three races, the Sport 5000 arrived at just one, the 1966
>   Grand Prix of Mugello, where the car failed to complete the first lap.
>   Still, the P70 development effort paid off for De Tomaso, which used a
>   variant of the P70 chassis to underpin the Mangusta (Italian for
>   Mongoose,
>   a not-so-subtle jab at Shelby and his Cobra) and the later Pantera.
> 
>   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> 
>    stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
> 
>   Terry W. Himes
> 
>   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> 
>   InSight Sequence Team Lead
> 
>   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> 
>   Phone: (818) 393-6261
> 
>   Cell:     (818) 653-8213
> 
>   Fax:     (818) 393-3147
> 
>   [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> 
>   From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Dave
>   <[3]dave at damardirect.com>
>   Date: Friday, January 15, 2016 6:21 AM
>   To: "[4]detomaso at poca.com" <[5]detomaso at poca.com>
>   Subject: [DeTomaso] Peter Brock-designed Shelby De Tomaso P70 to appear
>   at Amelia Island
> 
>   [6]http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2016/01/15/peter-brock-designed-s
>   helby-de-tomaso-p70-to-appear-at-amelia-island/?refer=news
>   IndyDave (still kickin')
> 
> References
> 
>   1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>   2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>   3. mailto:dave at damardirect.com
>   4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   6. http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2016/01/15/peter-brock-designed-shelby-de-tomaso-p70-to-appear-at-amelia-island/?refer=news
> 
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