[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16

cengles at cox.net cengles at cox.net
Fri Jan 15 08:19:59 EST 2016


Dear Jack,

         You wrote:

                           " the stock al-asbestos-al heat shield. "

  $$$$$$$$   Ah-hah!   I thought that there was some asbestos in there 
somewhere, but I could not be sure. Obviously, it is sandwiched between 
the aluminum layers.  Thanks for bolstering my fuzzy memory.


                         Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles




-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
To: 'tom ware' <ace595 at hotmail.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 5:26 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16

Dear Tom,

I am not an expert, but....

last year I removed the gas tank from my late '74 Pantera, which has had 
the
stainless steel treatment for the last twenty five years.  Behind the 
bling
is the base stock thick aluminum(?) which is not a single layer. There 
are
at least two layers and there *might* be a layer in between.  That is my
guess and I will defer to an expert.

I think that the normal stainless steel shield installation is over the
stock one.  Perhaps it is heavier, but it would tend to further shield 
the
gas tank from the headers' heat.

Warmest regards, Chuck Engles


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Gas tank shield ?
I have a new stainless steel shield that came with my project.
Is it the norm to insulate it for heat.?
Thanks
Tom

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> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that 
> not all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only 
> newer cars that suffer from that.
> Tomas
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> Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position to 
> use as Ebrake?  He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired 
> on the rear mounts..Bill 1362
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>    -----Original Message-----    From: Stephen    Sent: Jan 13, 2016 
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>    Whilst 'inelegant', at least the stock system works well.  I 
> installed Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals 
> on the back.  I did have the originals coated black - heck, doesn't 
> look that bad.
>
>
>    Stephen Nelson
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>
>    That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency 
> brake and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with 
> the brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
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>
>    Tomas
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>    Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that 
> that blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against 
> the rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake 
> calipers..
>    like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
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> . -------------- next part --------------   Yes Bill, most likely. I 
> have installed calipers on the front side of   the uprights, the holes 
> were threaded and all. I think I heard that not   all uprights are 
> drilled front and back but it may be that only newer   cars that 
> suffer from that.
>   Tomas   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->       From: bill gaino [ 
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> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes   Is it possible to mount the 
> stock calipers in the front position to use   as Ebrake?  He already 
> has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired on   the rear mounts..Bill 
> 1362
>     -----Original Message-----     From: Stephen     Sent: Jan 13, 
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> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>   Whilst `inelegant', at least the stock system works well.  I 
> installed   Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals 
> on the   back.  I did have the originals coated black - heck, doesn't 
> look that   bad.
>
>   Stephen Nelson
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>   That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency 
> brake   and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car 
> with the   brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>   Tomas
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>   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
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> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, guson at home.se 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
>
>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency brake 
>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the 
>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>
>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock.   He's asking about 
>>>> an
> (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the OEMs 
> and
is
> in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective to satisfy 
> government regulations worldwide).   Such systems are now available in 
> the

> aftermarket.
> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by 
> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
'arm' that
> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake?   Does anybody know that for
sure?
>
> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient to
hold
> a car for any length of time; they are designed for very short-term 
> use only.   Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than an inch)
crashing
> into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow it and the fool
parked it
> overnight on a slope in neutral with the line lock engaged.   As the
brakes
> cooled at night, they released and the car rolled through a lot 
> crowded
with
> collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a hedge and
down
> into a ditch!   Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been very 
> bad

> indeed.
> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be 
> much more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would 
> still
hold
> pressure even as the fluid cooled.   However, it would not serve as a
proper
> emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal blew out 
> in
a
> caliper) whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages the 
> components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work.
> Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30 years...park 
> wisely and hope for the best!) -------------- next part -------------- 
> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, guson at home.se 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
>     That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency 
> brake     and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car 
> with the     brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock.  He's asking about
>   an (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the 
> OEMs and is in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective 
> to satisfy government regulations worldwide).  Such systems are now 
> available in the aftermarket.   I confess I don't know if OEM electric 
> parking brake systems work by   pressurizing the fluid in the line, or 
> if they are a simple mechanical   'arm' that is pulling on a 
> mechanical parking brake?  Does anybody know   that for sure?   You're 
> correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient to   hold 
> a car for any length of time; they are designed for very   short-term 
> use only.  Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than   an 
> inch) crashing into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow 
> it and the fool parked it overnight on a slope in neutral with the 
> line   lock engaged.  As the brakes cooled at night, they released and 
> the car   rolled through a lot crowded with collector cars, brushed 
> past the   Aston and crashed through a hedge and down into a ditch! 
> Fortunately   it was unhurt, but it could have been very bad indeed. 
> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be 
> much   more effective because it has its own master cylinder that 
> would still   hold pressure even as the fluid cooled.  However, it 
> would not serve as   a proper emergency brake if there was a hydraulic 
> failure (say, a seal   blew out in a caliper) whereas a cable-type 
> system that mechanically   leverages the components of the caliper 
> requires no hydraulics to work.   Mike (who has had no parking brake 
> at all for the past 30 years...park   wisely and hope for the best!)
> ------------------------------
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> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, gaino at earthlink.net 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> 
> writes:
>
>> ?? Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position 
>> to use ?? as Ebrake?? He already has the Wilwoods installed and 
>> saftey wired on ?? the rear mounts.
>
>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.   The
> calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear of 
> the wheelwell.   If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no 
> longer
fit, plus if
> longer ones were used, they would foul the driveshafts on their way 
> forward.   The only possible way to make a system like that work would 
> be
to
> reposition the cables so they entered the wheelwells ahead of, instead 
> of
behind
> the hub carriers, and there would be a fair bit of engineering 
> involved.
I
> suppose it might be possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial
exercise.
>
> Mike -------------- next part --------------   In a message dated 
> 1/13/16 9 15 10, gaino at earthlink.net 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> 
> writes:
>        Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front 
> position     to use        as Ebrake?  He already has the Wilwoods 
> installed and saftey     wired on        the rear mounts.
>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.  The
>   calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear 
> of   the wheelwell.  If the calipers are repositioned the cables will 
> no   longer fit, plus if longer ones were used, they would foul the 
> driveshafts on their way forward.  The only possible way to make a 
> system like that work would be to reposition the cables so they 
> entered   the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind the hub carriers, 
> and there   would be a fair bit of engineering involved.  I suppose it 
> might be   possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial exercise. 
> Mike
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> In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, guson at home.se 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
>
>> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side of 
>> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that 
>> not all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only 
>> newer cars that suffer from that.
>
>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes only 
>>>> on
> one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a 
> production

> standpoint).
> Mike -------------- next part --------------   In a message dated 
> 1/13/16 11 28 28, guson at home.se 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
>     Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side 
> of     the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard 
> that     not    all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be 
> that only     newer  cars that suffer from that.
>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes only
>   on one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a 
> production standpoint).   Mike
> ------------------------------
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> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com 
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> writes:
>
>>
>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. I think that's 
>> fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the unsprung weight 
>> for track use? dave
>>
>>>> Interesting.   This was apparently a reply to an original post by
> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it wind 
> up
in my
> spam folder?
> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway, 
> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies 
> below:
>
>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: ? ?? Greetings,
>>> ? ?? After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief 
>>> inventory
>> today,
>>> ? ?? I have 21 Campy wheels,
>>
>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>
>
>
>>> ? ?? 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero 
>>> Triple ? ?? Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington 
>>> Wheels made for
>> Hall
>>> ? ?? Pantera.
>
>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?   He did 
>>>> make
> them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some 
> markedly

> better than others.   Can you share some images perhaps to help in 
> identification?
> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were
welded
> together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
>>>> ? ?? And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
>>
>>>> What kind of wheels are those?   10 spokes is a pretty vague
> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes they
have at least. :>
> )
>>>
>>> ? ?? I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use, ? ?? And 
>>> one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for Rally
and
>>> ? ?? Track use.
>>
>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
wheels
> which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake center 
> spinner?

> Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the latter being the 
> only

> genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever encountered).
>
>>> ? ?? I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>> Blackwalls
>>> ? ?? and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos, With 
>>> a
>> spare
>>> ? ?? Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>
>>>> Sounds good!
>>>
>>>> ? ?? That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of. 
>>>> Sell
>> or
>>> ? ?? Trade. Photos Available.
>>
>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?   What kind are 
>>>> they?

> Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model 
> wheels?
>>> ? ?? I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>
>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.   These 
>>>> were
> an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.   I have 
> no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any 
> other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very 
> small indeed.
Even
> 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels.
> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels 
> to appear. :>)
>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the Campy 
>>> ? ?? Wheel education.
>>
>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about 
>>>> your
> aftermarket wheels.   Simply put, I would never wish three-piece Hall
wheels
> on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.   We collectively
know
> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and a
potential
> accident.   Jack has often told of the car that was zorching down Mt. 
> Ch arleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his Hall 
> wheel dismantled himself; I believe it thrust the car into the 
> scenery, but
can't
> remember that aspect of the story for sure.   Jack?
> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to 
> sell;

> a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and he had 
> to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked 
> halfway
around.
> The other three wheels had similar cracks when they were taken apart 
> and inspected.
> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall 
> wheel;

> when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the freeway in 
> Los

> Angeles.   What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the brake 
> line
was
> damaged.   MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran the 
> Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped on the brakes at 
> the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the exhaust and 
> the rest was history.
> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were 
> woefully under-engineered, and today should be related either to a 
> display case, or
a
> recycling bin IMHO....
> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as 
> the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with, 
> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
>>>> ? ?? Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
>> primer,
>>> ? ?? I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to 
>>> see
>> the
>>> ? ?? final results. ? ?? Photo attached.
>>
>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
> either....
> Cheers!
> Mike -------------- next part --------------   In a message dated 
> 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com 
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> writes:
>     My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.     I think 
> that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the 
> unsprung weight for track use?     dave
>>>> Interesting.  This was apparently a reply to an original post by
>   Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it 
> wind   up in my spam folder?   I'm noting some irregularities with the 
> forum these days....anyway,   thankfully Dave included Michael's 
> original post, so see replies below:
>>     On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:    Greetings,
>>    After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>     inventory today,
>>    I have 21 Campy wheels,
>
>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>
>>    5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>     Triple
>>    Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
>     for Hall
>>    Pantera.
>
>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?  He did
>   make them for several other vendors, in several different styles, 
> some   markedly better than others.  Can you share some images perhaps 
> to help   in identification?   Hall did have somebody cast up 
> ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were   welded together, and perhaps 
> Coddington was the source for those?
>>>    And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
>
>>>> What kind of wheels are those?  10 spokes is a pretty vague
> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes they 
> have at least. :>)
>>
>>    I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,    And one 
>> set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>     Rally and
>>    Track use.
>
>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>   wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake 
> center   spinner?  Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with 
> the latter   being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've 
> ever   encountered).
>>    I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>     Blackwalls
>>    and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>     With a spare
>>    Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>
>>>> Sounds good!
>
>>
>>>    That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
>     Sell or
>>    Trade. Photos Available.
>
>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?  What kind are
>   they?  Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some 
> L-model   wheels?
>>    I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>
>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.  These
>   were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype. 
> I   have no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen 
> any other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is 
> very   small indeed.  Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, 
> had single   slot wheels.   So don't hold your breath waiting for a 
> full set of three-slot wheels   to appear. :>)
>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>     Campy
>>    Wheel education.
>
>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
>   your aftermarket wheels.  Simply put, I would never wish three-piece 
> Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.  We 
> collectively know about multiple failures, which always led to rapid 
> deflation and a potential accident.  Jack has often told of the car 
> that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit 
> speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe it 
> thrust the car into the scenery, but can't remember that aspect of the 
> story for sure.  Jack?   Larry Stock had a car on the grass at 
> Concorso that he was trying to   sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart 
> while the car was parked (!) and   he had to tow it back to Nevada as 
> it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked   halfway around.  The other 
> three wheels had similar cracks when they   were taken apart and 
> inspected.   And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure 
> of his Hall   wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell 
> down onto the  freeway in Los Angeles.  What wasn't seen was that 
> during the collapse,   the brake line was damaged.  MD swapped his 
> stock wheels w/race tires   on and ran the Silver State a day or two 
> later, but when he stepped on   the brakes at the finish line, the 
> line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto   the exhaust and the rest was 
> history.   And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others. 
> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were 
> woefully   under-engineered, and today should be related either to a 
> display case,   or a recycling bin IMHO....   So tell me exactly what 
> kind of wheels you're talking about here, as   the Coddington wheels 
> (which I have aesthetic problems with,   admittedly) are nothing like 
> these Hall wheels at all.
>>>    Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
>     primer,
>>    I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
>     see the
>>    final results.    Photo attached.
>
>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>   either....   Cheers!   Mike
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> When I was going through my brakes I wanted to clean out the e-brake 
> housings and the cables.  So, I cut off the cable ends, took 
> everything apart, took all the old plastic sheath off the housings, 
> replaced with
heavy
> shrink-to-fit, cut the housings to be a better fit with less excess
length,
> lubed with graphite-impregnated grease, then put new ends on the 
> cables to match the length that they needed to be.  Went together very 
> nicely.
>
>
> It would have been pretty much as simple to change length to match a 
> front mounting for the originals, but would have likely required 
> cutting a pair
of
> holes in the sheet metal - I hate extra holes.
>
>
> For what all that is worth.
>
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> Stephen Nelson
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> In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, gaino at earthlink.net 
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>
>
>
>   Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position to 
> use   as Ebrake?  He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey 
> wired on   the rear mounts.
>
>
>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.  The
calipers
> are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear of the
wheelwell.
> If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no longer fit, plus 
> if longer ones were used, they would foul the driveshafts on their way
forward.
> The only possible way to make a system like that work would be to
reposition
> the cables so they entered the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind 
> the hub carriers, and there would be a fair bit of engineering 
> involved.  I suppose it might be possible, but it certainly won't be a 
> trivial
exercise.
>
> Mike
> -------------- next part -------------- When I was going through my 
> brakes I wanted to clean out the e-brake   housings and the cables. 
> So, I cut off the cable ends, took everything   apart, took all the 
> old plastic sheath off the housings, replaced with   heavy 
> shrink-to-fit, cut the housings to be a better fit with less   excess 
> length, lubed with graphite-impregnated grease, then put new   ends on 
> the cables to match the length that they needed to be.  Went 
> together very nicely.
>
>   It would have been pretty much as simple to change length to match a 
> front mounting for the originals, but would have likely required 
> cutting a pair of holes in the sheet metal - I hate extra holes...
>
>   For what all that is worth.
>
>   Stephen Nelson
>
>
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>   In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, [1] gaino at earthlink.net 
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> writes:
>        Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front 
> position     to use        as Ebrake?  He already has the Wilwoods 
> installed and saftey     wired on        the rear mounts.
>>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.  The
>   calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear 
> of   the wheelwell.  If the calipers are repositioned the cables will 
> no   longer fit, plus if longer ones were used, they would foul the 
> driveshafts on their way forward.  The only possible way to make a 
> system like that work would be to reposition the cables so they 
> entered   the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind the hub carriers, 
> and there   would be a fair bit of engineering involved.  I suppose it 
> might be   possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial exercise. 
> Mike
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> Hate to disagree here Mike. The only uprights that were produced for a
Pantera that were right or left handed were "some" of Hall Pantera's
aluminum uprights, and they originally had mounts on front and rear. For
some reason later on in production they were built without both sets of
ears.......... never understood why .......as you said dumb idea !!
>      The Group 4 uprights were manufactured with both sets of ears. 
> Some
of you may not know that the GT 5 and the GT 5-S rear uprights were 
taken
from the competition Group 4 spares inventory.
>
> Leslie A. Gray
>> On Jan 13, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso < 
>> detomaso at poca.com 
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>>  In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, guson at home.se 
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>>    Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side 
>> of    the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard 
>> that    not    all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be 
>> that only    newer    cars that suffer from that.
>>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes only
>>  on one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a 
>> production standpoint).  Mike 
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> Message: 8 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 16:20:31 -0500 From: Michael Shortt 
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID: 
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> none of my wheels are assembled ( fasteners) 3 piece wheels, all are
welded
> or billet.
> I have driven on the wheels on street, on track and on the Tail of the 
> Dragon and have had zero issues in 12 years with 2 different designs, 
> not sure who mad ethe current wheels ( 10 spoke ), but they show no 
> signs of stress, damage either.
> It may be my luck, it could be others bad luck, it could be misuse and 
> driving style.
> My Dad owned 3 Audi 5000's, he never had any issues either, maybe 
> because he never pressed the gas instead of the brake.
>
> Michael Shortt
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, < MikeLDrew at aol.com 
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>> wrote:
>>
>> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> 
>> writes:
>>
>>
>> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. I think that's 
>> fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the unsprung weight 
>> for track use? dave
>>
>>>>> Interesting.  This was apparently a reply to an original post by
>> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it 
>> wind up in my spam folder?
>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway, 
>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies 
>> below:
>>
>>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:    Greetings,
>>>    After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief inventory
>> today,
>>>    I have 21 Campy wheels,
>>
>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>
>>
>>
>>>    5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero 
>>> Triple    Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels 
>>> made for
>> Hall
>>>    Pantera.
>>
>>
>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?  He did 
>>>>> make
>> them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some
markedly
>> better than others.  Can you share some images perhaps to help in 
>> identification?
>> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were 
>> welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
>>>>    And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
>>
>>>>> What kind of wheels are those?  10 spokes is a pretty vague
>> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes 
>> they
have
>> at least. :>)
>>>
>>>    I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,    And one 
>>> set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for Rally and 
>>> Track use.
>>
>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake 
>> center spinner?  Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the 
>> latter
being
>> the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever encountered).
>>
>>>    I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>> Blackwalls
>>>    and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos, With a
>> spare
>>>    Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>
>>>>> Sounds good!
>>
>>>
>>>>    That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of. 
>>>> Sell or
>>>    Trade. Photos Available.
>>
>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?  What kind are 
>>>>> they?
>> Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model 
>> wheels?
>>>    I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>
>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.  These 
>>>>> were
>> an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.  I have 
>> no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any 
>> other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very 
>> small indeed. Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had 
>> single slot wheels.
>> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels 
>> to appear. :>)
>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the Campy 
>>> Wheel education.
>>
>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about 
>>>>> your
>> aftermarket wheels.  Simply put, I would never wish three-piece Hall
wheels
>> on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.  We collectively
know
>> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and a 
>> potential accident.  Jack has often told of the car that was zorching
down
>> Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his 
>> Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe it thrust the car into the 
>> scenery,
but
>> can't remember that aspect of the story for sure.  Jack?
>> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to
sell;
>> a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and he 
>> had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked 
>> halfway around.  The other three wheels had similar cracks when they 
>> were taken apart and inspected.
>> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
wheel;
>> when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the freeway 
>> in
Los
>> Angeles.  What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the brake 
>> line
was
>> damaged.  MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran the 
>> Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped on the brakes at 
>> the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the exhaust 
>> and the rest was history.
>> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were 
>> woefully under-engineered, and today should be related either to a 
>> display case,
or
>> a recycling bin IMHO....
>> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as 
>> the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with, 
>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
>>>>    Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
>> primer,
>>>    I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to see 
>>> the    final results.    Photo attached.
>>
>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>> either....
>> Cheers!
>> Mike
>
>
>
> -- 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com 
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> -------------- next part --------------   none of my wheels are 
> assembled ( fasteners) 3 piece wheels, all are   welded or billet.   I 
> have driven on the wheels on street, on track and on the Tail of the 
> Dragon and have had zero issues in 12 years with 2 different designs, 
> not sure who mad ethe current wheels ( 10 spoke ), but they show no 
> signs of stress, damage either.   It may be my luck, it could be 
> others bad luck, it could be misuse and   driving style.   My Dad 
> owned 3 Audi 5000's, he never had any issues either, maybe   because 
> he never pressed the gas instead of the brake.   Michael Shortt
>   On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, <[1] MikeLDrew at aol.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> > 
> wrote:
>     In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [2] davel at emspace.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> 
> writes:     My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.     I 
> think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the 
> unsprung weight for track use?     dave
>>>> Interesting.A  This was apparently a reply to an original post by
>  Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it 
> wind up in my spam folder?     I'm noting some irregularities with the 
> forum these days....anyway,     thankfully Dave included Michael's 
> original post, so see replies     below:
>>     On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: A  A A  Greetings,
>> A  A A  After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>     inventory today,
>> A  A A  I have 21 Campy wheels,
>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>
>> A  A A  5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>     Triple
>> A  A A  Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels
>     made for Hall
>> A  A A  Pantera.
>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?A  He did
>     make them for several other vendors, in several different styles, 
> some markedly better than others.A  Can you share some images 
> perhaps to help in identification?     Hall did have somebody cast up 
> ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were     welded together, and perhaps 
> Coddington was the source for those?
>>> A  A A  And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and
>     245/40.
>>>> What kind of wheels are those?A  10 spokes is a pretty vague
>     descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes 
> they have at least. :>)
>>
>> A  A A  I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use, A  A A 
>> And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>     Rally and
>> A  A A  Track use.
>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>     wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake 
> center spinner?A  Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with 
> the latter being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've 
> ever encountered).
>> A  A A  I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>     Blackwalls
>> A  A A  and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>     With a spare
>> A  A A  Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>>> Sounds good!A
>
>>
>>> A  A A  That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose
>     of. Sell or
>> A  A A  Trade. Photos Available.
>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?A  What kind are
>     they?A  Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some 
> L-model wheels?
>> A  A A  I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.A
>  These were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile 
> prototype.A I have no idea how many were put into production but 
> I've never seen any other car wearing them, so I would have to 
> imagine the number is very small indeed.A  Even 1006, the earliest 
> known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels.     So don't hold your 
> breath waiting for a full set of three-slot     wheels to appear. :>)
>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>     Campy
>> A  A A  Wheel education.
>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
>     your aftermarket wheels.A  Simply put, I would never wish 
> three-piece Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for 
> track use.A  We collectively know about multiple failures, which 
> always led to rapid deflation and a potential accident.A  Jack has 
> often told of the car that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las 
> Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled 
> himself; I believe it thrust the car into the scenery, but can't 
> remember that aspect of the story for sure.A  Jack?     Larry Stock 
> had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to     sell; a 
> rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!)   and he had 
> to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had     cracked 
> halfway around.A  The other three wheels had similar cracks     when 
> they were taken apart and inspected.     And Mad Dog's fire was 
> indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall     wheel; when the left 
> rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the     freeway in Los 
> Angeles.A  What wasn't seen was that during the     collapse, the 
> brake line was damaged.A  MD swapped his stock wheels     w/race tires 
> on and ran the Silver State a day or two later, but     when he 
> stepped on the brakes at the finish line, the line ruptured,     fluid 
> sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest was history.     And on and on 
> and on...I'm sure there are many others.     Those wheels were a very 
> well-intentioned design but they were     woefully under-engineered, 
> and today should be related either to a     display case, or a 
> recycling bin IMHO....     So tell me exactly what kind of wheels 
> you're talking about here, as     the Coddington wheels (which I have 
> aesthetic problems with,  admittedly) are nothing like these Hall 
> wheels at all.
>>> A  A A  Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the
>     green primer,
>> A  A A  I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just
>     to see the
>> A  A A  final results. A  A A  Photo attached.
>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>     either....     Cheers! Mike
>   --   Michael L. Shortt   Savannah, Georgia   [3] 
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> Message: 9 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:23:36 -0800 From: "Tomas 
> Gunnarsson" < guson at home.se 
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> MikeLDrew at aol.com 
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: < 
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> Mike,
> Bill originally wrote: Something that that blocks fluid in the brake 
> lines to hold calipers pressed against the rotors.
>
> Aka line loc.
>
> OEM electric parking brakes work by having an electric motor actuate 
> the brake via a mechanical device, like a wire.
>
> Tomas
>
>
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso [ detomaso at poca.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> ] 
> Sent: 13/1/2016 8:51:53 PM To: guson at home.se 
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> gaino at earthlink.net 
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> Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> 
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
> In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, guson at home.se 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
>
>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency brake 
>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the 
>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>
>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about 
>>>> an
> (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the OEMs 
> and is in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective to 
> satisfy government regulations worldwide). Such systems are now 
> available in the aftermarket.
> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by 
> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical 
> 'arm' that is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know 
> that for sure?
> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient to 
> hold a car for any length of time; they are designed for very 
> short-term use only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than 
> an inch) crashing into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow 
> it and the fool parked it overnight on a slope in neutral with the 
> line lock engaged. As the brakes cooled at night, they released and 
> the car rolled through a lot crowded with collector cars, brushed past 
> the Aston and crashed through a hedge and down into a ditch! 
> Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been very bad indeed.
> A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be 
> much more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would 
> still hold pressure even as the fluid cooled. However, it would not 
> serve as a proper emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure 
> (say, a seal blew out in a caliper) whereas a cable-type system that 
> mechanically leverages the components of the caliper requires no 
> hydraulics to work.
> Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30 years...park 
> wisely and hope for the best!) -------------- next part -------------- 
> Mike,
>   Bill originally wrote: Something that that blocks fluid in the brake 
> lines to hold calipers pressed against the rotors.
>   Aka line loc.
>   OEM electric parking brakes work by having an electric motor actuate 
> the brake via a mechanical device, like a wire.
>   Tomas   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->       From: Mike Drew 
> via DeTomaso [ detomaso at poca.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> ] 
> Sent: 13/1/2016 8:51:53 PM   To: guson at home.se 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> ; 
> gaino at earthlink.net 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> 
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> 
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes   In a message dated 1/13/16 8 
> 03 59, guson at home.se 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> writes:
>> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency brake 
>> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the 
>> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
>>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about 
>>>> an
>   (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the 
> OEMs   and is   in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently 
> effective to satisfy   government regulations worldwide). Such systems 
> are now available in   the   aftermarket.   I confess I don't know if 
> OEM electric parking brake systems work by   pressurizing the fluid in 
> the line, or if they are a simple mechanical   'arm' that   is pulling 
> on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for   sure? 
> You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient to 
> hold   a car for any length of time; they are designed for very 
> short-term use   only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less 
> than an inch)   crashing   into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a 
> friend borrow it and the fool   parked it   overnight on a slope in 
> neutral with the line lock engaged. As the   brakes   cooled at night, 
> they released and the car rolled through a lot crowded   with 
> collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a hedge and 
> down   into a ditch! Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been 
> very   bad   indeed.   A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake 
> hydraulics would be much   more effective because it has its own 
> master cylinder that would still   hold   pressure even as the fluid 
> cooled. However, it would not serve as a   proper   emergency brake if 
> there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal blew out   in a   caliper) 
> whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages the 
> components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work.   Mike (who 
> has had no parking brake at all for the past 30 years...park   wisely 
> and hope for the best!)
> ------------------------------
> Message: 10 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:30:22 -0800 From: Larry Stock < 
> larrys at panteraparts.com 
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> > To: < MikeLDrew at aol.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> >, < 
> davel at emspace.com 
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> detomaso at poca.com 
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> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID: 
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> I am taking in a set of 8?s and 10?s X15? Campy?s with new tires next 
> week on a sale and trade I am doing. Since you guys are talking about 
> these, I am going to have a set available in the next week or so. 
> E-mail me for more info and details. Larrys at PanteraParts.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('Larrys at PanteraParts.com')> 
> (1-800-DeTomaso) 800-338-6627
>
> On 1/13/16, 12:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" < 
> detomaso-bounces at poca.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com')> 
> on behalf of detomaso at poca.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> > 
> wrote:
>>  In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> 
>> writes:
>>    My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.    I think 
>> that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the 
>> unsprung weight for track use?    dave
>>>>> Interesting.  This was apparently a reply to an original post by
>>  Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it 
>> wind  up in my spam folder?  I'm noting some irregularities with the 
>> forum these days....anyway,  thankfully Dave included Michael's 
>> original post, so see replies below:
>>>    On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:    Greetings,
>>>    After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>>    inventory today,
>>>    I have 21 Campy wheels,
>>
>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>
>>>    5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>>    Triple
>>>    Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
>>    for Hall
>>>    Pantera.
>>
>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?  He did
>>  make them for several other vendors, in several different styles, 
>> some  markedly better than others.  Can you share some images perhaps 
>> to help  in identification?  Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke 
>> Si-looking wheels that were  welded together, and perhaps Coddington 
>> was the source for those?
>>>>    And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
>>
>>>>> What kind of wheels are those?  10 spokes is a pretty vague
>>  descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes 
>> they  have at least. :>)
>>>
>>>    I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,    And one 
>>> set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>>    Rally and
>>>    Track use.
>>
>>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>>  wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake 
>> center  spinner?  Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with 
>> the latter  being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've 
>> ever  encountered).
>>>    I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>>    Blackwalls
>>>    and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>>    With a spare
>>>  Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>
>>>>> Sounds good!
>>
>>>
>>>>    That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
>>    Sell or
>>>    Trade. Photos Available.
>>
>>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?  What kind are
>>  they?  Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some 
>> L-model  wheels?
>>>    I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>
>>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.  These
>>  were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype. 
>> I  have no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen 
>> any  other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is 
>> very  small indeed.  Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, 
>> had single  slot wheels.  So don't hold your breath waiting for a 
>> full set of three-slot wheels  to appear. :>)
>>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>>    Campy
>>>    Wheel education.
>>
>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
>>  your aftermarket wheels.  Simply put, I would never wish three-piece 
>> Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.  We 
>> collectively know about multiple failures, which always led to rapid 
>> deflation and a potential accident.  Jack has often told of the car 
>> that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit 
>> speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe it 
>> thrust the car into the scenery, but can't remember that aspect of 
>> the  story for sure.  Jack?  Larry Stock had a car on the grass at 
>> Concorso that he was trying to  sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart 
>> while the car was parked (!) and  he had to tow it back to Nevada as 
>> it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked  halfway around.  The other 
>> three wheels had similar cracks when they  were taken apart and 
>> inspected.  And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure 
>> of his Hall  wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell 
>> down onto the  freeway in Los Angeles.  What wasn't seen was that 
>> during the collapse,  the brake line was damaged.  MD swapped his 
>> stock wheels w/race tires  on and ran the Silver State a day or two 
>> later, but when he stepped on  the brakes at the finish line, the 
>> line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto  the exhaust and the rest was 
>> history.  And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others. 
>> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were 
>> woefully  under-engineered, and today should be related either to a 
>> display case,  or a recycling bin IMHO.... So tell me exactly what 
>> kind of wheels you're talking about here, as  the Coddington wheels 
>> (which I have aesthetic problems with,  admittedly) are nothing like 
>> these Hall wheels at all.
>>>>    Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
>>    primer,
>>>    I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
>>    see the
>>>    final results.    Photo attached.
>>
>>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>>  either....  Cheers!  Mike 
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> Message: 11 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 22:53:34 +0100 From: Charles McCall 
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> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by 
> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
'arm'
> that is pulling on a mechanical parking brake?   Does anybody know 
> that for
sure?
> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
second
> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some 
> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it 
> at
any
> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Message: 12 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:02:11 -0800 From: "Tomas 
> Gunnarsson" < guson at home.se 
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> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid 
> would not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time 
> the brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip 
> the switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are 
> on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's 
> usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated, hydraulics 
> are not allowed.
> Tomas
>
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by 
> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical 
> 'arm' that is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know 
> that for sure? ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a 
> solenoid - the second case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the 
> line. They have some electronics to ease the brake on if you are 
> moving, but actuating it at any speed locks up your brakes. They are 
> either on or off.
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> -------------- next part --------------   It is more likely a linear 
> actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid would   not be good as it would 
> need to draw current for the whole time the   brakes are on. You can 
> probably hear the motor whine when you flip the   switch (or whatever) 
> and then it goes silent when the brakes are   on/off. Where there's 
> legislation requiring a parking brake it's   usually also a 
> requirement that it's mechanically actuated, hydraulics   are not 
> allowed.
>   Tomas   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->       From: Charles 
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes   I confess I don't know if OEM 
> electric parking brake systems work by   pressurizing the fluid in the 
> line, or if they are a simple mechanical   'arm'   that   is pulling 
> on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for   sure? 
> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the 
> second   case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have 
> some   electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but 
> actuating it at   any   speed locks up your brakes. They are either on 
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> Message: 13 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 23:04:27 +0100 From: Charles McCall 
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: 
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> Sorry, you are correct that it is a linear actuator. I answered 
> quickly.
In
> any case, it is a mechanical actuator and not pressurizing the 
> hydraulic line.
>
>
> From: Tomas Gunnarsson [ mailto:guson at home.se 
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>
> It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid 
> would
not
> be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the brakes 
> are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip the switch 
> (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are on/off. 
> Where
there's
> legislation requiring a parking brake it's usually also a requirement 
> that it's mechanically actuated, hydraulics are not allowed.
>
>
> Tomas
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by 
> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple mechanical
'arm'
>
> that is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that 
> for sure?

> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
second
>
> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some 
> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it 
> at
any
> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
>
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> -------------- next part --------------   Sorry, you are correct that 
> it is a linear actuator. I answered   quickly. In any case, it is a 
> mechanical actuator and not pressurizing   the hydraulic line.
>
>   From: Tomas Gunnarsson [ mailto:guson at home.se 
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>   It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid 
> would   not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole 
> time the   brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when 
> you flip the   switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the 
> brakes are   on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking 
> brake it's   usually also a requirement that it's mechanically 
> actuated, hydraulics   are not allowed.
>
>   Tomas
>   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes   I confess I don't know if OEM 
> electric parking brake systems work by   pressurizing the fluid in the 
> line, or if they are a simple mechanical   'arm'   that   is pulling 
> on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for   sure? 
> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the 
> second   case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have 
> some   electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but 
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> the caliper, no cables.
>
> Den 2016-01-13 22:53, Charles McCall skrev:
>> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by 
>> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple 
>> mechanical
'arm'
>> that is pulling on a mechanical parking brake?   Does anybody know 
>> that for
sure?
>> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the
second
>> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some 
>> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it 
>> at
any
>> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.
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> Message: 15 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 22:15:16 +0000 (UTC) From: marshall 
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID:    < 
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> FYI....
> I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and came
with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that covered the lug
nuts or you could delete the cone and go with exposed lug nuts.
> I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I 
> recall.
> Marshall -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/13/16, 
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels To: davel at emspace.com 
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> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
> ???In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com 
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> writes:
> ? ???My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags. ? ???I think 
> that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the ? 
> ???unsprung weight for track use? ? ???dave
> ???>>>Interesting.? This was apparently a reply to an original post by 
> ???Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it 
> wind ???up in my spam folder? ???I'm noting some irregularities with 
> the forum these days....anyway, ???thankfully Dave included Michael's 
> original post, so see replies below:
> ? ???On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote: ? ???>? ???Greetings, ? 
> ???> ? ???>? ???After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief 
> ? ???inventory today, ? ???>? ???I have 21 Campy wheels,
> ???>>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)
> ? ???>? ???5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero 
> ? ???Triple ? ???>? ???Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd 
> Coddington Wheels made ? ???for Hall ? ???>? ???Pantera.
> ???>>>Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?? He did 
> ???make them for several other vendors, in several different styles, 
> some ???markedly better than others.? Can you share some images 
> perhaps to help ???in identification? ???Hall did have somebody cast 
> up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were ???welded together, and 
> perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
> ? ???>>? ???And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 
> 245/40.
> ???>>>What kind of wheels are those?? 10 spokes is a pretty vague 
> ???descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes 
> they ???have at least. :>)
> ? ???> ? ???>? ???I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street 
> use, ? ???>? ???And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos 
> for ? ???Rally and ? ???>? ???Track use.
> ???>>>Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or 
> Hall ???wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a 
> fake center ???spinner?? Those are as different as chalk and cheese 
> (with the latter ???being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels 
> I've ever ???encountered).
> ? ???>? ???I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny 
> ? ???Blackwalls ? ???>? ???and a set of Double Slots with Vintage 
> Arrivas for Photos, ? ???With a spare ? ???>? ???Front and a Spare 
> Rear in case of a boo boo.
> ???>>>Sounds good!
> ? ???> ? ???>>? ???That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to 
> dispose of. ? ???Sell or ? ???>? ???Trade. Photos Available.
> ???>>>Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?? What kind are 
> ???they?? Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some 
> L-model ???wheels?
> ? ???>? ???I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
> ???>>>I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.? 
> These ???were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile 
> prototype.? I ???have no idea how many were put into production but 
> I've never seen any ???other car wearing them, so I would have to 
> imagine the number is very ???small indeed.? Even 1006, the earliest 
> known Pantera extant, had single ???slot wheels. ???So don't hold your 
> breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels ???to appear. :>)
> ? ???>I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the ? 
> ???Campy ? ???>? ???Wheel education.
> ???>>>It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about 
> ???your aftermarket wheels.? Simply put, I would never wish 
> three-piece ???Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for 
> track use.? We ???collectively know about multiple failures, which 
> always led to rapid ???deflation and a potential accident.? Jack has 
> often told of the car ???that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las 
> Vegas at triple digit ???speeds one year when his Hall wheel 
> dismantled himself; I believe it ???thrust the car into the scenery, 
> but can't remember that aspect of the ???story for sure.? Jack? 
> ???Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying 
> to ???sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked 
> (!) and ???he had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it 
> had cracked ???halfway around.? The other three wheels had similar 
> cracks when they ???were taken apart and inspected. ???And Mad Dog's 
> fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall ???wheel; when 
> the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the ???freeway in 
> Los Angeles.? What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, ???the 
> brake line was damaged.? MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires 
> ???on and ran the Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped 
> on ???the brakes at the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed 
> onto ???the exhaust and the rest was history. ???And on and on and 
> on...I'm sure there are many others. ???Those wheels were a very 
> well-intentioned design but they were woefully ???under-engineered, 
> and today should be related either to a display case, ???or a 
> recycling bin IMHO.... ???So tell me exactly what kind of wheels 
> you're talking about here, as ???the Coddington wheels (which I have 
> aesthetic problems with, ???admittedly) are nothing like these Hall 
> wheels at all.
> ? ???>>? ???Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the 
> green ? ???primer, ? ???>? ???I'll probably paint them Argent Silver 
> and Clear them just to ? ???see the ? ???>? ???final results. ? ???>? 
> ???Photo attached. ? ???>
> ???>>>Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo 
> ???either.... ???Cheers! ???Mike
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> Message: 16 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 22:24:18 +0000 (UTC) From: marshall 
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> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID:    < 
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> Additionally....Hall's 10 spoke wheels have the spokes slanted 
> slightly
inboard or towards the suspension. I believe Wilkinson made a 10 spoke 
wheel
where the spokes slant outward. These are visually better looking giving 
a
semi dished look and have slightly rounded spokes where the Hall's have
sharp edged spokes.
>
> M -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/13/16, 
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> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 2:15 PM
> FYI....
> I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and came 
> with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that covered the 
> lug nuts or you could delete the cone and go with exposed lug nuts. I 
> was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I recall.
> Marshall -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/13/16, 
> Mike Drew via DeTomaso < detomaso at poca.com 
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> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
> ???In a message dated  1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com 
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> writes:
> ? ???My 17" Hall wheels are a lot  heavier than the mags.  ? ???I 
> think that's fine for street, but  aren't you concerned about the  ? 
> ???unsprung weight for track use?  ? ???dave
>  ???>>>Interesting.? This was  apparently a reply to an original post 
> by  ???Michael Shortt, but that post never came  through to me nor did 
> it wind  ???up in my spam folder?  ???I'm noting some irregularities 
> with the  forum these days....anyway,  ???thankfully Dave included 
> Michael's  original post, so see replies below:
>  ? ???On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt  wrote:  ? ???>? 
> ???Greetings,  ? ???>  ? ???>? ???After  gathering all my wheels in 
> one place and a brief  ? ???inventory today,  ? ???>? ???I have  21 
> Campy wheels,
>  ???>>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>  ? ???>? ???5  Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and 
> Zero  ? ???Triple  ? ???>? ???Slots  ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd 
> Coddington Wheels made  ? ???for Hall  ? ???>?  ???Pantera.
>  ???>>>Uh, I don't think Coddington  every made wheels for Hall?? He 
> did  ???make them for several other vendors, in  several different 
> styles, some  ???markedly better than others.? Can you  share some 
> images perhaps to help  ???in identification?  ???Hall did have 
> somebody cast up ten-spoke  Si-looking wheels that were  ???welded 
> together, and perhaps Coddington  was the source for those?
>  ? ???>>?  ???And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with  335/35 and 
> 245/40.
>  ???>>>What kind of wheels are  those?? 10 spokes is a pretty vague 
> ???descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty  certain how many spokes 
> they  ???have at least. :>)
>  ? ???>  ? ???>? ???I am  keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street 
> use,  ? ???>? ???And  one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 
> Kumhos for  ? ???Rally and  ? ???>? ???Track  use.
>  ???>>>Wait--are you talking about  Coddington Campagnolo clones, or 
> Hall  ???wheels which are three-piece,  bolt-together affairs, with a 
> fake center  ???spinner?? Those are as different as  chalk and cheese 
> (with the latter  ???being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous 
> wheels I've ever  ???encountered).
>  ? ???>? ???I will  be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with 
> skinny  ? ???Blackwalls  ? ???>? ???and a  set of Double Slots with 
> Vintage Arrivas for Photos,  ? ???With a spare  ? ???>? ???Front  and 
> a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>  ???>>>Sounds good!
>  ? ???>  ? ???>>?  ???That leaves 2 full sets of double slot  wheels 
> to dispose of.  ? ???Sell or  ? ???>? ???Trade.  Photos Available.
>  ???>>>Somebody just asked for a  set--Guy Dellavecchia?? What kind 
> are  ???they?? Guy might want to trade his  '71 two-slot wheels for 
> some L-model  ???wheels?
>  ? ???>? ???I'd  love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>  ???>>>I have only ever seen two of  them (separately) in my life.? 
> These  ???were an experimental wheel used on the  first pushmobile 
> prototype.? I  ???have no idea how many were put into  production but 
> I've never seen any  ???other car wearing them, so I would have to 
> imagine the number is very  ???small indeed.? Even 1006, the  earliest 
> known Pantera extant, had single  ???slot wheels.  ???So don't hold 
> your breath waiting for a  full set of three-slot wheels  ???to 
> appear. :>)
>  ? ???>I will sort them this week by  design, Thanks Mike Drew for the 
> ? ???Campy  ? ???>? ???Wheel  education.
>  ???>>>It's my pleasure, but at this  point I'm far more concerned 
> about  ???your aftermarket wheels.? Simply put,  I would never wish 
> three-piece  ???Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and  especially not for 
> track use.? We  ???collectively know about multiple failures,  which 
> always led to rapid  ???deflation and a potential accident.?  Jack has 
> often told of the car  ???that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in 
> Las Vegas at triple digit  ???speeds one year when his Hall wheel 
> dismantled himself; I believe it  ???thrust the car into the scenery, 
> but can't  remember that aspect of the  ???story for sure.? Jack? 
> ???Larry Stock had a car on the grass at  Concorso that he was trying 
> to  ???sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while  the car was parked 
> (!) and  ???he had to tow it back to Nevada as it  couldn't be 
> fixed--it had cracked  ???halfway around.? The other three  wheels had 
> similar cracks when they  ???were taken apart and inspected.  ???And 
> Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused  by the failure of his Hall 
> ???wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,  the car fell down onto the 
> ???freeway in Los Angeles.? What wasn't  seen was that during the 
> collapse,  ???the brake line was damaged.? MD  swapped his stock 
> wheels w/race tires  ???on and ran the Silver State a day or two 
> later, but when he stepped on  ???the brakes at the finish line, the 
> line  ruptured, fluid sprayed onto  ???the exhaust and the rest was 
> history.  ???And on and on and on...I'm sure there are  many others. 
> ???Those wheels were a very well-intentioned  design but they were 
> woefully  ???under-engineered, and today should be  related either to 
> a display case,  ???or a recycling bin IMHO....  ???So tell me exactly 
> what kind of wheels  you're talking about here, as  ???the Coddington 
> wheels (which I have  aesthetic problems with,  ???admittedly) are 
> nothing like these Hall  wheels at all.
>  ? ???>>?  ???Just let a local guy soda blast two of  them down to the 
> green  ? ???primer,  ? ???>? ???I'll  probably paint them Argent 
> Silver and Clear them just to  ? ???see the  ? ???>? ???final 
> results.  ? ???>? ???Photo  attached.  ? ???>
>  ???>>>Since I didn't get your  original e-mail, I didn't get the 
> photo  ???either....  ???Cheers!  ???Mike
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> Message: 17 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:44:23 -0500 From: Michael Shortt 
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels Message-ID: < 
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> Marshall,
> I have those too, considered having them Powdercoated, but the center 
> treatment would look silly. I have both the spinners and the big black 
> lugs. The other set is the 5 spoke from Hall/Boyd.
> Michael Shortt On Jan 13, 2016 5:15 PM, "marshall smith" < 
> marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net 
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> > wrote:
>> FYI....
>> I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and 
>> came with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that covered 
>> the lug nuts or you could delete the cone and go with exposed lug 
>> nuts. I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I 
>> recall.
>> Marshall -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 
>> 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso < detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> > 
>> wrote:
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels To: davel at emspace.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> , 
>> detomaso at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> , 
>> michael at michaelshortt.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('michael at michaelshortt.com')> 
>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
>>    In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> 
>> writes:
>>      My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.      I think 
>> that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the 
>> unsprung weight for track use?      dave
>>>>> Interesting.  This was
>> apparently a reply to an original post by    Michael Shortt, but that 
>> post never came through to me nor did it wind   up in my spam folder? 
>> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway, 
>> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies 
>> below:
>>      On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:    Greetings,
>>>
>>>    After
>> gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief      inventory 
>> today,
>>>    I have
>> 21 Campy wheels,
>>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>>
>>>    5
>> Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero      Triple
>>>    Slots
>> ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made      for 
>> Hall    Pantera.
>>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington
>> every made wheels for Hall?  He did    make them for several other 
>> vendors, in several different styles, some    markedly better than 
>> others.  Can you share some images perhaps to help    in 
>> identification?    Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke 
>> Si-looking wheels that were    welded together, and perhaps 
>> Coddington was the source for those?
>>    And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
>>>>> What kind of wheels are
>> those?  10 spokes is a pretty vague    descriiption--although I admit 
>> I'm pretty certain how many spokes they   have at least. :>)
>>>
>>>    I am
>> keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
>>>    And
>> one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for      Rally and
>>>    Track
>> use.
>>>>> Wait--are you talking about
>> Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall    wheels which are 
>> three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake center    spinner? 
>> Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the latter    being 
>> the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever 
>> encountered).
>>>    I will
>> be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny     Blackwalls
>>>    and a
>> set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,      With a 
>> spare
>>>    Front
>> and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>>>> Sounds good!
>>
>>>
>>    That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of. 
>> Sell or
>>>    Trade.
>> Photos Available.
>>>>> Somebody just asked for a
>> set--Guy Dellavecchia?  What kind are    they?  Guy might want to 
>> trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model    wheels?
>>>    I'd
>> love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>>>> I have only ever seen two of
>> them (separately) in my life.  These    were an experimental wheel 
>> used on the first pushmobile prototype.  I    have no idea how many 
>> were put into production but I've never seen any    other car wearing 
>> them, so I would have to imagine the number is very    small indeed. 
>> Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had single    slot 
>> wheels.    So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of 
>> three-slot wheels    to appear. :>)
>>> I will sort them this week by
>> design, Thanks Mike Drew for the      Campy
>>>    Wheel
>> education.
>>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this
>> point I'm far more concerned about    your aftermarket wheels. 
>> Simply put, I would never wish three-piece    Hall wheels on my worst 
>> enemy, and especially not for track use.  We    collectively know 
>> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid    deflation and a 
>> potential accident. Jack has often told of the car    that was 
>> zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit    speeds 
>> one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe it 
>> thrust the car into the scenery, but can't remember that aspect of 
>> the   story for sure.  Jack?    Larry Stock had a car on the grass at 
>> Concorso that he was trying to    sell; a rear wheel simply blew 
>> apart while the car was parked (!) and    he had to tow it back to 
>> Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked    halfway around. 
>> The other three wheels had similar cracks when they    were taken 
>> apart and inspected.    And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by 
>> the failure of his Hall    wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, 
>> the car fell down onto the    freeway in Los Angeles.  What wasn't 
>> seen was that during the collapse,    the brake line was damaged.  MD 
>> swapped his stock wheels w/race tires    on and ran the Silver State 
>> a day or two later, but when he stepped on    the brakes at the 
>> finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto    the exhaust and 
>> the rest was history.    And on and on and on...I'm sure there are 
>> many others.    Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but 
>> they were woefully    under-engineered, and today should be related 
>> either to a display case,    or a recycling bin IMHO....    So tell 
>> me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as    the 
>> Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with, 
>> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
>>    Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green 
>> primer,
>>>    I'll
>> probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to      see the
>>>   final
>> results.
>>>    Photo
>> attached.
>>>>> Since I didn't get your
>> original e-mail, I didn't get the photo    either....    Cheers! 
>> Mike
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> -------------- next part --------------   Marshall,
>   I have those too, considered having them Powdercoated, but the 
> center   treatment would look silly. I have both the spinners and the 
> big black   lugs. The other set is the 5 spoke from Hall/Boyd.
>   Michael Shortt
>   On Jan 13, 2016 5:15 PM, "marshall smith"   <[1] 
> marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net')> 
> > wrote:
>     FYI....     I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded 
> centers and     came with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and 
> cone that     covered the lug nuts or you could delete the cone and go 
> with     exposed lug nuts.     I was told that Boyd made these. Hall 
> called them Mark 10s as I     recall.     Marshall 
> --------------------------------------------     On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike 
> Drew via DeTomaso <[2] detomaso at poca.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> > 
> wrote:     A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels     A To: [3] 
> davel at emspace.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> , 
> [4] detomaso at poca.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> , 
> [5] michael at michaelshortt.com 
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> A Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM     A A A A In a message 
> dated     A 1/10/16 21 39 38, [6] davel at emspace.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('davel at emspace.com')> 
> A writes:     A A  A A A My 17" Hall wheels are a lot     A heavier 
> than the mags.     A A  A A A I think that's fine for street, but 
> A aren't you concerned about the     A A  A A A unsprung weight for 
> track use?     A A  A A A dave     A A A A >>>Interesting.A  This was 
> A apparently a reply to an original post by A A A A Michael Shortt, 
> but that post never came     A through to me nor did it wind     A A A 
> A up in my spam folder?     A A A A I'm noting some irregularities 
> with the     A forum these days....anyway,     A A A A thankfully Dave 
> included Michael's     A original post, so see replies below:     A A 
> A A A On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt     A wrote:   A A  A A A >A 
> A A A A Greetings,     A A  A A A >     A A  A A A >A A A A After 
> A gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief     A A A A A 
> inventory today,     A A  A A A >A  A A A I have     A 21 Campy 
> wheels,     A A A A >>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)     A A  A A A >A  A A A 
> 5     A Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero 
> A A  A A A Triple     A A  A A A >A  A A A Slots     A ( No 10") Plus 
> 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made     A A  A A A for Hall 
> A A  A A A >A     A A A A Pantera.     A A A A >>>Uh, I don't think 
> Coddington     A every made wheels for Hall?A  He did     A A A A make 
> them for several other vendors, in     A several different styles, 
> some     A A A A markedly better than others.A  Can you     A share 
> some images perhaps to help     A A A A in identification?     A A A A 
> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke     A Si-looking wheels that 
> were     A A A A welded together, and perhaps Coddington     A was the 
> source for those?     A A  A A A >>A     A A A A And the 17" 10 spokes 
> on the car now with     A 335/35 and 245/40.     A A A A >>>What kind 
> of wheels are     A those?A  10 spokes is a pretty vague     A A A A 
> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty     A certain how many 
> spokes they     A A A A have at least. :>)     A A  A A A >     A A  A 
> A A >A  A A A I am     A keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street 
> use,     A A  A A A >A  A A A And     A one set of the 17" Hall Wheels 
> with 315/235 Kumhos for     A A  A A A Rally and     A A  A A A >A  A 
> A A Track     A use.     A A A A >>>Wait--are you talking about     A 
> Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall     A A A A wheels which are 
> three-piece,     A bolt-together affairs, with a fake center     A A A 
> A spinner?A  Those are as different as     A chalk and cheese (with 
> the latter     A A A A being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous 
> A wheels I've ever     A A A A encountered).     A A  A A A >A  A A A 
> I will     A be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny 
> A A  A A A Blackwalls     A A  A A A >A  A A A and a    A set of 
> Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,     A A  A A A With a 
> spare     A A  A A A >A  A A A Front     A and a Spare Rear in case of 
> a boo boo.     A A A A >>>Sounds good!     A A  A A A >     A A  A A A 
> >>A     A A A A That leaves 2 full sets of double slot     A wheels to 
> dispose of.     A A  A A A Sell or     A A  A A A >A  A A A Trade. 
> A Photos Available.     A A A A >>>Somebody just asked for a     A 
> set--Guy Dellavecchia?A  What kind are     A A A A they?A  Guy might 
> want to trade his     A '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model     A A A 
> A wheels?     A A  A A A >A  A A A I'd     A love a Triple Slot set. 
> Anybody have some?     A A A A >>>I have only ever seen two of     A 
> them (separately) in my life.A  These     A A A A were an experimental 
> wheel used on the     A first pushmobile prototype.A  I     A A A A 
> have no idea how many were put into     A production but I've never 
> seen any     A A A A other car wearing them, so I would have to     A 
> imagine the number is very     A A A A small indeed.A  Even 1006, the 
> A earliest known Pantera extant, had single     A A A A slot wheels. 
> A A A A So don't hold your breath waiting for a     A full set of 
> three-slot wheels     A A A A to appear. :>)     A A  A A A >I will 
> sort them this week by     A design, Thanks Mike Drew for the     A A 
> A A A Campy     A A  A A A >A  A A A Wheel     A education.     A A A 
> A >>>It's my pleasure, but at this A point I'm far more concerned 
> about     A A A A your aftermarket wheels.A  Simply put,     A I would 
> never wish three-piece     A A A A Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and 
> A especially not for track use.A  We     A A A A collectively know 
> about multiple failures,     A which always led to rapid     A A A A 
> deflation and a potential accident.A     A Jack has often told of the 
> car     A A A A that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in A Las Vegas 
> at triple digit     A A A A speeds one year when his Hall wheel     A 
> dismantled himself; I believe it     A A A A thrust the car into the 
> scenery, but can't     A remember that aspect of the     A A A A story 
> for sure.A  Jack?     A A A A Larry Stock had a car on the grass at  A 
> Concorso that he was trying to     A A A A sell; a rear wheel simply 
> blew apart while     A the car was parked (!) and     A A A A he had 
> to tow it back to Nevada as it     A couldn't be fixed--it had cracked 
> A A A A halfway around.A  The other three     A wheels had similar 
> cracks when they     A A A A were taken apart and inspected.     A A A 
> A And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused     A by the failure of his 
> Hall     A A A A wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,     A the car 
> fell down onto the   A A A A freeway in Los Angeles.A  What wasn't 
> A seen was that during the collapse,     A A A A the brake line was 
> damaged.A  MD     A swapped his stock wheels w/race tires     A A A A 
> on and ran the Silver State a day or two     A later, but when he 
> stepped on     A A A A the brakes at the finish line, the line     A 
> ruptured, fluid sprayed onto     A A A A the exhaust and the rest was 
> history.     A A A A And on and on and on...I'm sure there are     A 
> many others.     A A A A Those wheels were a very well-intentioned 
> A design but they were woefully     A A A A under-engineered, and 
> today should be     A related either to a display case,     A A A A or 
> a recycling bin IMHO....     A A A A So tell me exactly what kind of 
> wheels     A you're talking about here, as     A A A A the Coddington 
> wheels (which I have     A aesthetic problems with,     A A A A 
> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall     A wheels at all.     A A A 
> A A >>A     A A A A Just let a local guy soda blast two of     A them 
> down to the green     A A  A A A primer,     A A  A A A >A  A A A I'll 
> A probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to     A A  A 
> A A see the     A A  A A A >A  A A A final     A results.     A A  A A 
> A >A  A A A Photo     A attached.     A A  A A A >     A A A A 
> >>>Since I didn't get your     A original e-mail, I didn't get the 
> photo     A A A A either....     A A A A Cheers!     A A A A Mike 
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> "    < charlesmccall at gmail.com 
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> >,    Scott Bell < scott at saccrestorations.net 
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID:    < 
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> Scott at SACC ( http://www.saccrestorations.net/ 
> <http://www.saccrestorations.net/> ) was selling an electric
parking brake actuator kit?for?Panteras.? I'm not sure if it is 
currently
available, so you'd have to ask Scott.
> Ken ?
>      From: Tomas Gunnarsson < guson at home.se 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> > To: 
> charlesmccall at gmail.com 
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> Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 
> parking brakes
> ? It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid 
> would ? not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole 
> time the ? brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when 
> you flip the ? switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the 
> brakes are ? on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking 
> brake it's ? usually also a requirement that it's mechanically 
> actuated, hydraulics ? are not allowed.
> ? Tomas ? <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> ? ? ? From: Charles 
> McCall [ charlesmccall at gmail.com 
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> ] ? Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM ? To: ? MikeLDrew at aol.com 
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes ? I confess I don't know if OEM 
> electric parking brake systems work by ? pressurizing the fluid in the 
> line, or if they are a simple mechanical ? 'arm' ? that ? is pulling 
> on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for ? sure? ? 
> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the 
> ? second ? case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They 
> have some ? electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but 
> actuating it at ? any ? speed locks up your brakes. They are either on 
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> -------------- next part --------------   Scott at SACC ([1] 
> http://www.saccrestorations.net/ <http://www.saccrestorations.net/> ) 
> was selling an   electric parking brake actuator kit for Panteras. 
> I'm not sure if it   is currently available, so you'd have to ask 
> Scott.   Ken 
> __________________________________________________________________
>   From: Tomas Gunnarsson < guson at home.se 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> >   To: 
> charlesmccall at gmail.com 
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> Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 
> parking brakes     It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a 
> motor. A solenoid   would     not be good as it would need to draw 
> current for the whole time the     brakes are on. You can probably 
> hear the motor whine when you flip   the     switch (or whatever) and 
> then it goes silent when the brakes are     on/off. Where there's 
> legislation requiring a parking brake it's     usually also a 
> requirement that it's mechanically actuated,   hydraulics     are not 
> allowed.     Tomas     <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> 
> From: Charles McCall [[2] charlesmccall at gmail.com 
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> ]     Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM     To:
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes     I confess I don't know if 
> OEM electric parking brake systems work by     pressurizing the fluid 
> in the line, or if they are a simple   mechanical     'arm'     that 
> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for 
> sure?     ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a 
> solenoid - the     second     case. They do not pressurize the fluid 
> in the line. They have some     electronics to ease the brake on if 
> you are moving, but actuating it   at     any     speed locks up your 
> brakes. They are either on or off. 
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> Message: 19 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 20:19:16 -0800 From: "Scott Bell" < 
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> > To: "'Ken Green'" < kenn_green at yahoo.com 
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID: 
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> text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> Yes, the E-Stopp Electronic Parking Brake Kit is back and available to 
> use
with the stock Pantera rear Calipers or with any aftermarket parking 
brake
caliper. I will add them back to our website later this week.
>
> We offer the kit as it is sold from E-Stopp. The do-it-yourselfer can 
> fab
the brackets needed to mount it in the Pantera. OR, we offer an 
installation
kit that makes the unit a bolt on upgrade.
>
> Interestingly, before I had the E-Stopp installed in my Pantera, I 
> almost
never set my parking brake. Not sure why, maybe because I didn?t like 
how
awkward the stock unit was to operate. For the stock unit to work it 
really
needs to be set with a bit or force. Then, to release, I needed to use 
both
hands. After installing the Electronic unit, I set the parking brake 
every
time I park the car.
>
> In addition to the Electronic Actuator, SACC Restorations is coming 
> out
with a new Parking Brake Caliper Kit that will be a bolt on unit custom
fitted specifically for the Pantera. This will give owners an 
opportunity to
upgrade to a great looking, light weight and affordable parking brake
solution. More to come on the new product in the next few weeks!
>
> Scott
> From: Ken Green [ mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('kenn_green at yahoo.com')> ] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:52 PM To: Tomas Gunnarsson; 
> charlesmccall at gmail.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')> 
> ; Scott Bell Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> 
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
> Scott at SACC ( http://www.saccrestorations.net/ 
> <http://www.saccrestorations.net/> ) was selling an electric
parking brake actuator kit for Panteras.  I'm not sure if it is 
currently
available, so you'd have to ask Scott.
>
> Ken
>
>  _____
> From: Tomas Gunnarsson < guson at home.se 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> > To: 
> charlesmccall at gmail.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')> 
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 
> parking brakes
>  It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid 
> would  not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time 
> the  brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you 
> flip the  switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes 
> are  on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's 
> usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated, hydraulics 
> are not allowed.
>  Tomas  <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->      From: Charles McCall 
> [ charlesmccall at gmail.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')> 
> ]  Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM  To: MikeLDrew at aol.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('MikeLDrew at aol.com')> ; 
> guson at home.se 
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> gaino at earthlink.net 
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> detomaso at poca.com 
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes  I confess I don't know if OEM 
> electric parking brake systems work by  pressurizing the fluid in the 
> line, or if they are a simple mechanical  'arm'  that  is pulling on a 
> mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for  sure?  ****Audis 
> use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the  second 
> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some 
> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it 
> at  any  speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off. 
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> -------------- next part --------------   Yes, the E-Stopp Electronic 
> Parking Brake Kit is back and available to   use with the stock 
> Pantera rear Calipers or with any aftermarket   parking brake caliper. 
> I will add them back to our website later this   week.
>
>   We offer the kit as it is sold from E-Stopp. The do-it-yourselfer 
> can   fab the brackets needed to mount it in the Pantera. OR, we offer 
> an   installation kit that makes the unit a bolt on upgrade.
>
>   Interestingly, before I had the E-Stopp installed in my Pantera, I 
> almost never set my parking brake. Not sure why, maybe because I 
> didn't   like how awkward the stock unit was to operate. For the stock 
> unit to   work it really needs to be set with a bit or force. Then, to 
> release, I   needed to use both hands. After installing the Electronic 
> unit, I set   the parking brake every time I park the car.
>
>   In addition to the Electronic Actuator, SACC Restorations is coming 
> out   with a new Parking Brake Caliper Kit that will be a bolt on unit 
> custom   fitted specifically for the Pantera. This will give owners an 
> opportunity to upgrade to a great looking, light weight and affordable 
> parking brake solution. More to come on the new product in the next 
> few   weeks!
>
> Scott
>
>   From: Ken Green [ mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('kenn_green at yahoo.com')> ] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:52 PM   To: Tomas Gunnarsson; 
> charlesmccall at gmail.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')> 
> ; Scott Bell   Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')> 
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
>   Scott at SACC ([1] http://www.saccrestorations.net/ 
> <http://www.saccrestorations.net/> ) was selling an   electric parking 
> brake actuator kit for Panteras.  I'm not sure if it   is currently 
> available, so you'd have to ask Scott.
>
>   Ken
> 
> _______________________________________________________________________
>   From: Tomas Gunnarsson <[2] guson at home.se 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> >   To: 
> [3] charlesmccall at gmail.com 
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> Cc: [4] detomaso at poca.com 
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 
> parking brakes
>     It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid 
> would     not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole 
> time the     brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when 
> you flip   the     switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when 
> the brakes are     on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a 
> parking brake it's     usually also a requirement that it's 
> mechanically actuated,   hydraulics     are not allowed.     Tomas 
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->         From: Charles McCall [[5] 
> charlesmccall at gmail.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('charlesmccall at gmail.com')> 
> ]     Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM     To:
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> ;[9]detomas o at poca.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('o at poca.com')> 
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes     I confess I don't know if 
> OEM electric parking brake systems work by     pressurizing the fluid 
> in the line, or if they are a simple   mechanical     'arm'     that 
> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for 
> sure?     ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a 
> solenoid - the     second     case. They do not pressurize the fluid 
> in the line. They have some     electronics to ease the brake on if 
> you are moving, but actuating it   at     any     speed locks up your 
> brakes. They are either on or off. 
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> Message: 20 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 16:50:07 +0000 (UTC) From: B Hower 
> < b.hower3400 at yahoo.com 
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> > To: De Tomaso List < detomaso at poca.com 
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> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 91 Merc parts Message-ID:    < 
> 749672874.510825.1452790207343.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com 
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> Hi all, I am scrapping a 91 Merc Marque. If anyone would happen to 
> need any parts
from same,,,,contact me off forum.
> ?Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not 
> be !
)
> -------------- next part --------------   Hi all,   I am scrapping a 
> 91 Merc Marque. If anyone would happen to need any   parts from 
> same,,,,contact me off forum.
>   Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not 
> be   ! )
> ------------------------------
> Message: 21 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:26:12 -0500 From: Rob Dumoulin < 
> rob at dumoulins.net 
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> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List < DeTomaso at poca.com 
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> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts 
> Message-ID: < 
> CAEr4y_vxSUkwzguCsUO6EJwL3z5uDV7+GGdEiL6YXMPoB4H1jw at mail.gmail.com 
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> Following Bud's lead,
> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in 
> Northwest Florida.  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M 
> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8) that 
> I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any 
> profit
he
> makes from it.  He is making it pretty to sell.  Catch it quick before 
> he sinks money into it for a better deal.
> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.  Contact me off list 
> if you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
> Rob 904.476.8744 -------------- next part --------------   Following 
> Bud's lead,   The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out 
> to pasture in   Northwest Florida.A  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M 
> body, M rims, M   transmission, and M suspension package, but a 
> regular M62 4.4 V8) that   I have dropped off at my mechanic and 
> advised him I would split any   profit he makes from it.A  He is 
> making it pretty to sell.A  Catch it   quick before he sinks money 
> into it for a better deal.   Buy it whole, or make it worth our time 
> in parts.A  Contact me off list   if you want to know what it needs 
> mechanically to be right again.   Rob   904.476.8744
> ------------------------------
> Message: 22 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:35:44 -0500 From: "Mirril M. 
> McMullen" < mirrilm at earthlink.net 
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> > To: "'Rob Dumoulin'" < rob at dumoulins.net 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> > 
> Cc: "'Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List'" < DeTomaso at poca.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('DeTomaso at poca.com')> > 
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts 
> Message-ID: <009b01d14ef1$ff563660$fe02a320$@earthlink.net> 
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> Hmmm,
> Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
> /\/\///
> -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [ 
> mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com')> 
> ] On Behalf Of Rob
Dumoulin
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail 
> List Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts
> Following Bud's lead,
> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in
Northwest Florida.  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M
transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8) that I
have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any profit 
he
makes from it.  He is making it pretty to sell.  Catch it quick before 
he
sinks money into it for a better deal.
>
> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.  Contact me off list 
> if
you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
>
> Rob 904.476.8744
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Message: 23 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:55:15 -0500 From: Rob Dumoulin < 
> rob at dumoulins.net 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> > 
> To: Mirril McMullen < mirrilm at earthlink.net 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('mirrilm at earthlink.net')> 
> > Cc: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List < DeTomaso at poca.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('DeTomaso at poca.com')> > 
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts 
> Message-ID:    < 
> CAEr4y_tsVfHd1sESiSVDnm-VZD7x5PkuiCm2OTmAZ1mJ7ZkmCw at mail.gmail.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('CAEr4y_tsVfHd1sESiSVDnm-VZD7x5PkuiCm2OTmAZ1mJ7ZkmCw at mail.gmail.com')> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> Not at all.  Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few years 
> ago. Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff.  Always 
> got synthetic oil changes regular.
> 240K miles and a transmission that will not go into reverse when 
> engine is hot was the kicker.  That and the interior is showing age.
> Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still glides 
> down the road.
> Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 rob at dumoulins.net 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> 
> www.kbsi.co <http://www.kbsi.co> 
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 
> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen
< mirrilm at earthlink.net 
<javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('mirrilm at earthlink.net')> >
> wrote:
>> Hmmm,
>> Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
>> /\/\///
>> -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [ 
>> mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com')> 
>> ] On Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM 
>> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 
>> 740i Sport for whole or parts
>> Following Bud's lead,
>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in 
>> Northwest Florida.  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M 
>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8) 
>> that I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split 
>> any profit
he
>> makes from it.  He is making it pretty to sell.  Catch it quick 
>> before he sinks money into it for a better deal.
>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.  Contact me off 
>> list if you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right 
>> again.
>> Rob 904.476.8744
> -------------- next part --------------   Not at all.A  Cam chain, 
> tensioner, waterpump all changed a few years   ago. A   Also, new fan 
> clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff.A  Always got   synthetic oil 
> changes regular.   240K miles and a transmission that will not go into 
> reverse when engine   is hot was the kicker.A  That and the interior 
> is showing age.A   Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS 
> sensor but still glides   down the road.
>   Rob DuMoulin   904.476.8744   [1] rob at dumoulins.net 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> 
> [2] www.kbsi.co <http://www.kbsi.co>   [3] 
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 
> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58>   On Thu, Jan 14, 
> 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen   <[4] mirrilm at earthlink.net 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('mirrilm at earthlink.net')> 
> > wrote:
>    Hmmm,     Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover? 
> /\/\///
>   -----Original Message-----   From: DeTomaso [ 
> mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com')> 
> ] On Behalf Of Rob   Dumoulin   Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 
> PM   To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List   Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 
> BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts   Following Bud's lead,   The finest 
> road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in   Northwest 
> Florida.A  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M 
> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8) that 
> I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any 
> profit he makes from it.A  He is making it pretty to sell.A  Catch it 
> quick before he sinks money into it for a better deal.   Buy it whole, 
> or make it worth our time in parts.A  Contact me off list   if you 
> want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.   Rob 
> 904.476.8744
> References
>   1. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')>   2. 
> http://www.kbsi.co/ <http://www.kbsi.co/>   3. 
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 
> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58>   4. 
> mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net 
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> 5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 
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> ------------------------------
> Message: 24 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:56:57 -0500 From: Rob Dumoulin < 
> rob at dumoulins.net 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> > 
> To: Mirril McMullen < mirrilm at earthlink.net 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('mirrilm at earthlink.net')> 
> > Cc: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List < DeTomaso at poca.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('DeTomaso at poca.com')> > 
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts 
> Message-ID:    <CAEr4y_ubKH1kTNF61wqfS+TpW+q2OPZuP=uwOjq5Y= 
> FhZt-Apw at mail.gmail.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('FhZt-Apw at mail.gmail.com')> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> Forgot to add....I have 6 cars. I do not need 6 cars.
> Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 rob at dumoulins.net 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> 
> www.kbsi.co <http://www.kbsi.co> 
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 
> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Rob Dumoulin < rob at dumoulins.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> > 
>> wrote:
>> Not at all.  Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few years 
>> ago. Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff.  Always 
>> got synthetic oil changes regular.
>> 240K miles and a transmission that will not go into reverse when 
>> engine
is
>> hot was the kicker.  That and the interior is showing age.
>> Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still glides
down
>> the road.
>> Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 rob at dumoulins.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> 
>> www.kbsi.co <http://www.kbsi.co> 
>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen < 
>> mirrilm at earthlink.net 
>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('mirrilm at earthlink.net')> 
>> > wrote:
>>> Hmmm,
>>> Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?
>>> /\/\///
>>> -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [ 
>>> mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 
>>> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at poca.com')> 
>>> ] On Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 
>>> PM To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 
>>> 740i Sport for whole or parts
>>> Following Bud's lead,
>>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in 
>>> Northwest Florida.  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, 
>>> M transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8) 
>>> that I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split 
>>> any profit
he
>>> makes from it.  He is making it pretty to sell.  Catch it quick 
>>> before
he
>>> sinks money into it for a better deal.
>>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.  Contact me off 
>>> list
if
>>> you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.
>>> Rob 904.476.8744
> -------------- next part --------------   Forgot to add....I have 6 
> cars.A  I do not need 6 cars.
>   Rob DuMoulin   904.476.8744  [1] rob at dumoulins.net 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> 
> [2] www.kbsi.co <http://www.kbsi.co>   [3] 
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 
> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58>   On Thu, Jan 14, 
> 2016 at 12:55 PM, Rob Dumoulin <[4] rob at dumoulins.net 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> > 
> wrote:
>   Not at all.A  Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few 
> years   ago. A   Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other 
> stuff.A  Always got   synthetic oil changes regular.   240K miles and 
> a transmission that will not go into reverse when engine   is hot was 
> the kicker.A  That and the interior is showing age.A   Needs two new 
> coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still glides   down the 
> road.
>   Rob DuMoulin   [5]904.476.8744   [6] rob at dumoulins.net 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')> 
> [7] www.kbsi.co <http://www.kbsi.co>   [8] 
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 
> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58>   On Thu, Jan 14, 
> 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen   <[9] mirrilm at earthlink.net 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('mirrilm at earthlink.net')> 
> > wrote:
>    Hmmm,     Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover? 
> /\/\///
>   -----Original Message-----   From: DeTomaso [ 
> mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com')> 
> ] On Behalf Of Rob   Dumoulin   Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 
> PM   To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List   Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 
> BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts   Following Bud's lead,   The finest 
> road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in   Northwest 
> Florida.A  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M 
> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8) that 
> I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any 
> profit he makes from it.A  He is making it pretty to sell.A  Catch it 
> quick before he sinks money into it for a better deal.   Buy it whole, 
> or make it worth our time in parts.A  Contact me off list   if you 
> want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.   Rob 
> [11]904.476.8744
> References
>   1. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')>   2. 
> http://www.kbsi.co/ <http://www.kbsi.co/>   3. 
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 
> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58>   4. 
> mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')>   5. 
> tel:904.476.8744   6. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('rob at dumoulins.net')>   7. 
> http://www.kbsi.co/ <http://www.kbsi.co/>   8. 
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 
> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58>   9. 
> mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net 
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> 10. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 
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> 11. tel:904.476.8744
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> Message: 25 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 18:08:58 +0000 (UTC) From: marshall 
> smith < marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net 
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> > To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' < guson at home.se 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('guson at home.se')> >,  < 
> gaino at earthlink.net 
> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('gaino at earthlink.net')> >, 
> Stephen < steve at snclocks.com 
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> Cc: < detomaso at poca.com 
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes Message-ID:  < 
> 819779826.4191306.1452794938797.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com 
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> Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill! 
> -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen 
> < steve at snclocks.com 
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> wrote:
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" < 
> guson at home.se 
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> gaino at earthlink.net 
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> Cc: detomaso at poca.com 
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> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM
> ???Whilst `inelegant', at least the stock system works well.? I 
> installed ???Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the 
> originals on the ???back.? I did have the originals coated black - 
> heck, doesn't look that ???bad.
>
> ???Stephen Nelson
>
> ???-----Original Message----- ???From: DeTomaso [ 
> mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com 
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> ???Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes
>
> ???That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency 
> brake ???and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car 
> with the ???brakes hot they may release when they cool off.
> ???Tomas
>
> ???<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
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> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???From: bill gaino [ 
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>
> ???Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that 
> that ???blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed 
> against the ???rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E 
> brake calipers..
> ???like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362
>
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   Dear Jack,

           You wrote:

                             " the stock al-asbestos-al heat shield. "

    $$$$$$$$   Ah-hah!   I thought that there was some asbestos in there
   somewhere, but I could not be sure. Obviously, it is sandwiched between
   the aluminum layers.  Thanks for bolstering my fuzzy memory.

                           Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

   -----Original Message-----

   From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>

   To: 'tom ware' <ace595 at hotmail.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>

   Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 5:26 pm

   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16

   Dear Tom,

   I am not an expert, but....

   last year I removed the gas tank from my late '74 Pantera, which has
   had the

   stainless steel treatment for the last twenty five years.  Behind the
   bling

   is the base stock thick aluminum(?) which is not a single layer. There
   are

   at least two layers and there *might* be a layer in between.  That is
   my

   guess and I will defer to an expert.

   I think that the normal stainless steel shield installation is over the

   stock one.  Perhaps it is heavier, but it would tend to further shield
   the

   gas tank from the headers' heat.

   Warmest regards, Chuck Engles

   -----Original Message-----

   From: DeTomaso [ [1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of tom
   ware

   Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:58 PM

   To: [2]detomaso at poca.com

   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 139, Issue 16

   Gas tank shield ?

   I have a new stainless steel shield that came with my project.

   Is it the norm to insulate it for heat.?

   Thanks

   Tom

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   >   3. Re: parking brakes ( [10]MikeLDrew at aol.com)

   >   4. Re: parking brakes ( [11]MikeLDrew at aol.com)

   >   5. Re: Campagnolo Wheels ( [12]MikeLDrew at aol.com)

   >   6. Re: parking brakes (Stephen)

   >   7. Re: parking brakes (L GRAY)

   >   8. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (Michael Shortt)

   > 9. Re: parking brakes (Tomas Gunnarsson)

   >  10. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (Larry Stock)

   >  11. Re: parking brakes (Charles McCall)

   >  12. Re: parking brakes (Tomas Gunnarsson)

   >  13. Re: parking brakes (Charles McCall)

   >  14. Re: parking brakes (Thomas Tornblom)

   >  15. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (marshall smith)

   >  16. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (marshall smith)

   >  17. Re: Campagnolo Wheels (Michael Shortt)

   >  18. Re: parking brakes (Ken Green)

   >  19. Re: parking brakes (Scott Bell)

   >  20. NPC 91 Merc parts (B Hower)

   >  21. NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts (Rob Dumoulin)

   >  22. Re: NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts

   >      (Mirril M. McMullen)

   >  23. Re: NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts (Rob Dumoulin)

   >  24. Re: NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts (Rob Dumoulin)

   >  25. Re: parking brakes (marshall smith)

   >

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   > Message: 1

   > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:27:31 -0800

   > From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" < [13]guson at home.se>

   > To: < [14]gaino at earthlink.net>

   > Cc: < [15]steve at snclocks.com>,    < [16]detomaso at poca.com>

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   > Message-ID: < [17]46D238640B764EE3A581C2544BE74A80 at mail2world.com>

   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

   >

   > Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side of

   > the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that
   not

   > all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only newer

   > cars that suffer from that.

   >

   > Tomas

   >

   >

   >

   > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->

   >

   >        From: bill gaino [ [18]gaino at earthlink.net]

   > Sent: 13/1/2016 6:13:51 PM

   > To: [19]steve at snclocks.com; [20]guson at home.se

   > Cc: [21]detomaso at poca.com

   > Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >

   >

   > Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position to
   use

   > as Ebrake?  He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired on

   > the rear mounts..Bill 1362

   >

   >

   >

   >    -----Original Message-----

   >    From: Stephen

   >    Sent: Jan 13, 2016 11:21 AM

   >    To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' , [22]gaino at earthlink.net

   >    Cc: [23]detomaso at poca.com

   >    Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >

   >

   >

   >    Whilst 'inelegant', at least the stock system works well.  I

   > installed Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals
   on

   > the back.  I did have the originals coated black - heck, doesn't look

   > that bad.

   >

   >

   >

   >    Stephen Nelson

   >

   >

   >

   >    -----Original Message-----

   >    From: DeTomaso [ [24]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
   Of

   > Tomas Gunnarsson

   >    Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM

   >    To: [25]gaino at earthlink.net

   >    Cc: [26]detomaso at poca.com

   >    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >

   >

   >

   >    That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency

   > brake and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car
   with

   > the brakes hot they may release when they cool off.

   >

   >

   >

   >    Tomas

   >

   >

   >

   >    <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->

   >

   >

   >

   >                                  From: bill gaino

   > [ [27]gaino at earthlink.net]

   >

   >    Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM

   >

   >    To: [28]detomaso at poca.com< [29]mailto:detomaso at poca.com>

   >

   >    Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >

   >

   >

   >    Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that

   > that blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against

   > the rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake

   > calipers..

   >

   >    like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362

   >

   >

   >

   >

   >

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   >   Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side
   of

   >   the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that
   not

   >   all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only
   newer

   >   cars that suffer from that.

   >

   >   Tomas

   >   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->

   >       From: bill gaino [ [40]gaino at earthlink.net]

   >   Sent: 13/1/2016 6:13:51 PM

   >   To: [41]steve at snclocks.com; [42]guson at home.se

   >   Cc: [43]detomaso at poca.com

   >   Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >   Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position to
   use

   >   as Ebrake?  He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired
   on

   >   the rear mounts..Bill 1362

   >

   >     -----Original Message-----

   >     From: Stephen

   >     Sent: Jan 13, 2016 11:21 AM

   >     To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' , [44]gaino at earthlink.net

   >     Cc: [45]detomaso at poca.com

   >     Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >

   >   Whilst `inelegant', at least the stock system works well.  I
   installed

   >   Wildwoods on the front of the discs and kept the originals on the

   >   back.  I did have the originals coated black - heck, doesn't look
   that

   >   bad.

   >

   >

   >   Stephen Nelson

   >

   >

   >   -----Original Message-----

   >   From: DeTomaso [ [46]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   Tomas

   >   Gunnarsson

   >   Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM

   >   To: [47]gaino at earthlink.net

   >   Cc: [48]detomaso at poca.com

   >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >

   >

   >   That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
   brake

   >   and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with
   the

   >   brakes hot they may release when they cool off.

   >

   >   Tomas

   >

   >

   >   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->

   >

   >

   >                                 From: bill gaino [
   [49]gaino at earthlink.net]

   >

   >   Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM

   >

   >   To: [1] [50]detomaso at poca.com

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   >   Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >

   >

   >   Is anybody using a solinoid based parking brake? Something that
   that

   >   blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold calipers pressed against
   the

   >   rotors. My customer does not want the extra set of E brake
   calipers..

   >

   >   like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362

   >

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   > Message: 2

   > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:51:53 -0500

   > From: [62]MikeLDrew at aol.com

   > To: [63]guson at home.se, [64]gaino at earthlink.net

   > Cc: [65]detomaso at poca.com

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

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   > In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, [67]guson at home.sewrites:

   >

   >

   >> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
   brake

   >> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the

   >> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.

   >

   >>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock.   He's asking
   about an

   > (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the
   OEMs and

   is

   > in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective to satisfy

   > government regulations worldwide).   Such systems are now available
   in the

   > aftermarket.

   >

   > I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by

   > pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
   mechanical

   'arm' that

   > is pulling on a mechanical parking brake?   Does anybody know that
   for

   sure?

   >

   > You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient
   to

   hold

   > a car for any length of time; they are designed for very short-term
   use

   > only.   Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than an inch)

   crashing

   > into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow it and the fool

   parked it

   > overnight on a slope in neutral with the line lock engaged.   As the

   brakes

   > cooled at night, they released and the car rolled through a lot
   crowded

   with

   > collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a hedge
   and

   down

   > into a ditch!   Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been
   very bad

   > indeed.

   >

   > A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
   much

   > more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would
   still

   hold

   > pressure even as the fluid cooled.   However, it would not serve as a

   proper

   > emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal blew
   out in

   a

   > caliper) whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages the

   > components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work.

   >

   > Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30
   years...park

   > wisely and hope for the best!)

   > -------------- next part --------------

   >   In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, [68]guson at home.sewrites:

   >

   >     That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency

   >     brake

   >     and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with
   the

   >     brakes hot they may release when they cool off.

   >

   >>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock.  He's asking about

   >   an (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by
   the

   >   OEMs and is in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently
   effective

   >   to satisfy government regulations worldwide).  Such systems are now

   >   available in the aftermarket.

   >   I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
   by

   >   pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
   mechanical

   >   'arm' that is pulling on a mechanical parking brake?  Does anybody
   know

   >   that for sure?

   >   You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient
   to

   >   hold a car for any length of time; they are designed for very

   >   short-term use only.  Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less
   than

   >   an inch) crashing into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend
   borrow

   >   it and the fool parked it overnight on a slope in neutral with the
   line

   >   lock engaged.  As the brakes cooled at night, they released and the
   car

   >   rolled through a lot crowded with collector cars, brushed past the

   >   Aston and crashed through a hedge and down into a ditch!
   Fortunately

   >   it was unhurt, but it could have been very bad indeed.

   >   A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
   much

   >   more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would
   still

   >   hold pressure even as the fluid cooled.  However, it would not
   serve as

   >   a proper emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure (say, a
   seal

   >   blew out in a caliper) whereas a cable-type system that
   mechanically

   >   leverages the components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to
   work.

   >   Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30
   years...park

   >   wisely and hope for the best!)

   >

   > ------------------------------

   >

   > Message: 3

   > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:51:57 -0500

   > From: [69]MikeLDrew at aol.com

   > To: [70]gaino at earthlink.net, [71]steve at snclocks.com,
   [72]guson at home.se

   > Cc: [73]detomaso at poca.com

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   > Message-ID: < [74]72fdc9.23690f23.43c804dd at aol.com>

   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

   >

   >

   > In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, [75]gaino at earthlink.netwrites:

   >

   >

   >> ?? Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position
   to

   >> use

   >> ?? as Ebrake?? He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey
   wired on

   >> ?? the rear mounts.

   >

   >>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.   The

   > calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear of
   the

   > wheelwell.   If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no
   longer

   fit, plus if

   > longer ones were used, they would foul the driveshafts on their way

   > forward.   The only possible way to make a system like that work
   would be

   to

   > reposition the cables so they entered the wheelwells ahead of,
   instead of

   behind

   > the hub carriers, and there would be a fair bit of engineering
   involved.

   I

   > suppose it might be possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial

   exercise.

   >

   > Mike

   > -------------- next part --------------

   >   In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, [76]gaino at earthlink.netwrites:

   >

   >        Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front
   position

   >     to use

   >        as Ebrake?  He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey

   >     wired on

   >        the rear mounts.

   >

   >>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.  The

   >   calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear
   of

   >   the wheelwell.  If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no

   >   longer fit, plus if longer ones were used, they would foul the

   >   driveshafts on their way forward.  The only possible way to make a

   >   system like that work would be to reposition the cables so they
   entered

   >   the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind the hub carriers, and
   there

   >   would be a fair bit of engineering involved.  I suppose it might be

   >   possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial exercise.

   >   Mike

   >

   > ------------------------------

   >

   > Message: 4

   > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:52:03 -0500

   > From: [77]MikeLDrew at aol.com

   > To: [78]guson at home.se, [79]gaino at earthlink.net

   > Cc: [80]detomaso at poca.com

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   > Message-ID: < [81]72fddd.5edc2feb.43c804e3 at aol.com>

   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

   >

   >

   > In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, [82]guson at home.sewrites:

   >

   >

   >> Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front side
   of

   >> the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard that
   not

   >> all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only
   newer

   >> cars that suffer from that.

   >

   >>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes only
   on

   > one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a
   production

   > standpoint).

   >

   > Mike

   > -------------- next part --------------

   >   In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, [83]guson at home.sewrites:

   >

   >     Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front
   side

   >     of

   >     the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard
   that

   >     not

   >    all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only

   >     newer

   >  cars that suffer from that.

   >

   >>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes only

   >   on one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a

   >   production standpoint).

   >   Mike

   >

   > ------------------------------

   >

   > Message: 5

   > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 15:19:19 -0500

   > From: [84]MikeLDrew at aol.com

   > To: [85]davel at emspace.com, [86]detomaso at poca.com,
   [87]michael at michaelshortt.com

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels

   > Message-ID: < [88]73161a.56810af3.43c80b47 at aol.com>

   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

   >

   >

   > In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [89]davel at emspace.comwrites:

   >

   >

   >>

   >> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.

   >> I think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the

   >> unsprung weight for track use?

   >> dave

   >>

   >>

   >>>> Interesting.   This was apparently a reply to an original post by

   > Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
   wind up

   in my

   > spam folder?

   >

   > I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,

   > thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
   below:

   >

   >

   >>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:

   >>> ? ?? Greetings,

   >>>

   >>> ? ?? After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
   inventory

   >> today,

   >>> ? ?? I have 21 Campy wheels,

   >>

   >>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)

   >

   >

   >

   >>> ? ?? 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
   Triple

   >>> ? ?? Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
   for

   >> Hall

   >>> ? ?? Pantera.

   >

   >>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?   He did
   make

   > them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some
   markedly

   > better than others.   Can you share some images perhaps to help in

   > identification?

   >

   > Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were

   welded

   > together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?

   >

   >>>> ? ?? And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.

   >>

   >>>> What kind of wheels are those?   10 spokes is a pretty vague

   > descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
   they

   have at least. :>

   > )

   >

   >>>

   >>> ? ?? I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,

   >>> ? ?? And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
   Rally

   and

   >>> ? ?? Track use.

   >>

   >>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall

   wheels

   > which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
   spinner?

   > Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the latter being the
   only

   > genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever encountered).

   >

   >

   >>> ? ?? I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny

   >> Blackwalls

   >>> ? ?? and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
   With a

   >> spare

   >>> ? ?? Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.

   >>

   >>>> Sounds good!

   >>>

   >>>> ? ?? That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
   Sell

   >> or

   >>> ? ?? Trade. Photos Available.

   >>

   >>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?   What kind are
   they?

   > Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
   wheels?

   >

   >>> ? ?? I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?

   >>

   >>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.   These
   were

   > an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.   I
   have no

   > idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any other
   car

   > wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very small
   indeed.

   Even

   > 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels.

   >

   > So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels
   to

   > appear. :>)

   >

   >>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
   Campy

   >>> ? ?? Wheel education.

   >>

   >>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
   your

   > aftermarket wheels.   Simply put, I would never wish three-piece Hall

   wheels

   > on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.   We
   collectively

   know

   > about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and a

   potential

   > accident.   Jack has often told of the car that was zorching down Mt.
   Ch

   > arleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his Hall
   wheel

   > dismantled himself; I believe it thrust the car into the scenery, but

   can't

   > remember that aspect of the story for sure.   Jack?

   >

   > Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to
   sell;

   > a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and he
   had to

   > tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked halfway

   around.

   > The other three wheels had similar cracks when they were taken apart
   and

   > inspected.

   >

   > And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
   wheel;

   > when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the freeway
   in Los

   > Angeles.   What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the brake
   line

   was

   > damaged.   MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran the
   Silver

   > State a day or two later, but when he stepped on the brakes at the
   finish

   > line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest
   was

   > history.

   >

   > And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.

   >

   > Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
   woefully

   > under-engineered, and today should be related either to a display
   case, or

   a

   > recycling bin IMHO....

   >

   > So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as
   the

   > Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with, admittedly)
   are

   > nothing like these Hall wheels at all.

   >

   >>>> ? ?? Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green

   >> primer,

   >>> ? ?? I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
   see

   >> the

   >>> ? ?? final results.

   >>> ? ?? Photo attached.

   >>

   >>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo

   > either....

   >

   > Cheers!

   >

   > Mike

   > -------------- next part --------------

   >   In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [90]davel at emspace.comwrites:

   >

   >     My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.

   >     I think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about
   the

   >     unsprung weight for track use?

   >     dave

   >

   >>>> Interesting.  This was apparently a reply to an original post by

   >   Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
   wind

   >   up in my spam folder?

   >   I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,

   >   thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
   below:

   >

   >>     On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:

   >>    Greetings,

   >>

   >>    After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief

   >     inventory today,

   >>    I have 21 Campy wheels,

   >

   >>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)

   >

   >>    5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero

   >     Triple

   >>    Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made

   >     for Hall

   >>    Pantera.

   >

   >>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?  He did

   >   make them for several other vendors, in several different styles,
   some

   >   markedly better than others.  Can you share some images perhaps to
   help

   >   in identification?

   >   Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that
   were

   >   welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?

   >

   >>>    And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.

   >

   >>>> What kind of wheels are those?  10 spokes is a pretty vague

   > descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
   they

   >   have at least. :>)

   >

   >>

   >>    I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,

   >>    And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for

   >     Rally and

   >>    Track use.

   >

   >>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall

   >   wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
   center

   >   spinner?  Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the
   latter

   >   being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever

   >   encountered).

   >

   >>    I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny

   >     Blackwalls

   >>    and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,

   >     With a spare

   >>    Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.

   >

   >>>> Sounds good!

   >

   >>

   >>>    That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.

   >     Sell or

   >>    Trade. Photos Available.

   >

   >>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?  What kind are

   >   they?  Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some
   L-model

   >   wheels?

   >

   >>    I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?

   >

   >>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.  These

   >   were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.
   I

   >   have no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen
   any

   > other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very

   >   small indeed.  Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had
   single

   >   slot wheels.

   >   So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot
   wheels

   >   to appear. :>)

   >

   >> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the

   >     Campy

   >>    Wheel education.

   >

   >>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about

   >   your aftermarket wheels.  Simply put, I would never wish
   three-piece

   >   Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.
   We

   >   collectively know about multiple failures, which always led to
   rapid

   >   deflation and a potential accident.  Jack has often told of the car

   >   that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit

   >   speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe
   it

   >   thrust the car into the scenery, but can't remember that aspect of
   the

   >   story for sure.  Jack?

   >   Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying
   to

   >   sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!)
   and

   >   he had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had
   cracked

   >   halfway around.  The other three wheels had similar cracks when
   they

   >   were taken apart and inspected.

   >   And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall

   >   wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the

   >  freeway in Los Angeles.  What wasn't seen was that during the
   collapse,

   >   the brake line was damaged.  MD swapped his stock wheels w/race
   tires

   >   on and ran the Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped
   on

   >   the brakes at the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed
   onto

   >   the exhaust and the rest was history.

   >   And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.

   >   Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
   woefully

   >   under-engineered, and today should be related either to a display
   case,

   >   or a recycling bin IMHO....

   >   So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here,
   as

   >   the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,

   >   admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.

   >

   >>>    Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green

   >     primer,

   >>    I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to

   >     see the

   >>    final results.

   >>    Photo attached.

   >

   >>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo

   >   either....

   >   Cheers!

   >   Mike

   >

   > ------------------------------

   >

   > Message: 6

   > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:23:56 -0800

   > From: "Stephen" < [91]steve at snclocks.com>

   > To: < [92]MikeLDrew at aol.com>,    < [93]gaino at earthlink.net>,    <
   [94]guson at home.se>

   > Cc: < [95]detomaso at poca.com>

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   > Message-ID: <00d501d14e40$54625920$fd270b60$@snclocks.com>

   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

   >

   > When I was going through my brakes I wanted to clean out the e-brake

   > housings and the cables.  So, I cut off the cable ends, took
   everything

   > apart, took all the old plastic sheath off the housings, replaced
   with

   heavy

   > shrink-to-fit, cut the housings to be a better fit with less excess

   length,

   > lubed with graphite-impregnated grease, then put new ends on the
   cables to

   > match the length that they needed to be.  Went together very nicely.

   >

   >

   >

   > It would have been pretty much as simple to change length to match a
   front

   > mounting for the originals, but would have likely required cutting a
   pair

   of

   > holes in the sheet metal - I hate extra holes.

   >

   >

   >

   > For what all that is worth.

   >

   >

   >

   > Stephen Nelson

   >

   >

   >

   >

   >

   > From: [96]MikeLDrew at aol.com[ [97]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]

   > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:52 AM

   > To: [98]gaino at earthlink.net; [99]steve at snclocks.com;
   [100]guson at home.se

   > Cc: [101]detomaso at poca.com

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >

   >

   >

   >

   > In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, [102]gaino at earthlink.net

   > < [103]mailto:gaino at earthlink.net>  writes:

   >

   >

   >

   >

   >

   >   Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front position to
   use

   >   as Ebrake?  He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey wired
   on

   >   the rear mounts.

   >

   >

   >

   >>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.  The

   calipers

   > are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear of the

   wheelwell.

   > If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no longer fit, plus
   if

   > longer ones were used, they would foul the driveshafts on their way

   forward.

   > The only possible way to make a system like that work would be to

   reposition

   > the cables so they entered the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind
   the

   > hub carriers, and there would be a fair bit of engineering involved.
   I

   > suppose it might be possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial

   exercise.

   >

   > Mike

   >

   > -------------- next part --------------

   > When I was going through my brakes I wanted to clean out the e-brake

   >   housings and the cables.  So, I cut off the cable ends, took
   everything

   >   apart, took all the old plastic sheath off the housings, replaced
   with

   >   heavy shrink-to-fit, cut the housings to be a better fit with less

   >   excess length, lubed with graphite-impregnated grease, then put new

   >   ends on the cables to match the length that they needed to be.
   Went

   >   together very nicely.

   >

   >

   >   It would have been pretty much as simple to change length to match
   a

   >   front mounting for the originals, but would have likely required

   >   cutting a pair of holes in the sheet metal - I hate extra holes...

   >

   >

   >   For what all that is worth.

   >

   >

   >   Stephen Nelson

   >

   >

   >

   >   From: [104]MikeLDrew at aol.com[ [105]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]

   >   Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:52 AM

   >   To: [106]gaino at earthlink.net; [107]steve at snclocks.com;
   [108]guson at home.se

   >   Cc: [109]detomaso at poca.com

   >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >

   >

   >   In a message dated 1/13/16 9 15 10, [1]
   [110]gaino at earthlink.netwrites:

   >

   >        Is it possible to mount the stock calipers in the front
   position

   >     to use

   >        as Ebrake?  He already has the Wilwoods installed and saftey

   >     wired on

   >        the rear mounts.

   >

   >>>> People who say 'yes' are forgetting about simple mechanics.  The

   >   calipers are actuated by cables which are introduced into the rear
   of

   >   the wheelwell.  If the calipers are repositioned the cables will no

   >   longer fit, plus if longer ones were used, they would foul the

   >   driveshafts on their way forward.  The only possible way to make a

   >   system like that work would be to reposition the cables so they
   entered

   >   the wheelwells ahead of, instead of behind the hub carriers, and
   there

   >   would be a fair bit of engineering involved.  I suppose it might be

   >   possible, but it certainly won't be a trivial exercise.

   >   Mike

   >

   > References

   >

   >   1. [111]mailto:gaino at earthlink.net

   >

   > ------------------------------

   >

   > Message: 7

   > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 21:07:23 +0000

   > From: L GRAY < [112]tipo874a at msn.com>

   > To: " [113]MikeLDrew at aol.com" < [114]MikeLDrew at aol.com>

   > Cc: " [115]guson at home.se" < [116]guson at home.se>, "
   [117]gaino at earthlink.net"

   >    < [118]gaino at earthlink.net>, " [119]detomaso at poca.com" <
   [120]detomaso at poca.com>

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   > Message-ID:

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   >

   > Hate to disagree here Mike. The only uprights that were produced for
   a

   Pantera that were right or left handed were "some" of Hall Pantera's

   aluminum uprights, and they originally had mounts on front and rear.
   For

   some reason later on in production they were built without both sets of

   ears.......... never understood why .......as you said dumb idea !!

   >      The Group 4 uprights were manufactured with both sets of ears.
   Some

   of you may not know that the GT 5 and the GT 5-S rear uprights were
   taken

   from the competition Group 4 spares inventory.

   >

   > Leslie A. Gray

   >

   >> On Jan 13, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <
   [122]detomaso at poca.com>

   wrote:

   >>

   >>  In a message dated 1/13/16 11 28 28, [123]guson at home.sewrites:

   >>

   >>    Yes Bill, most likely. I have installed calipers on the front
   side

   >>    of

   >>    the uprights, the holes were threaded and all. I think I heard
   that

   >>    not

   >>    all uprights are drilled front and back but it may be that only

   >>    newer

   >>    cars that suffer from that.

   >>

   >>>>> True--the GT5/GT5-S uprights are 'handed' with mounting holes
   only

   >>  on one side (which, when you think about it, is really dumb from a

   >>  production standpoint).

   >>  Mike

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   > Message: 8

   > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 16:20:31 -0500

   > From: Michael Shortt < [126]michaelsavga at gmail.com>

   > To: 576103 < [127]MikeLDrew at aol.com>

   > Cc: Dave Londry < [128]davel at emspace.com>, " [129]detomaso at poca.com"

   >    < [130]detomaso at poca.com>

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels

   > Message-ID:

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   >

   > none of my wheels are assembled ( fasteners) 3 piece wheels, all are

   welded

   > or billet.

   >

   > I have driven on the wheels on street, on track and on the Tail of
   the

   > Dragon and have had zero issues in 12 years with 2 different designs,

   > not sure who mad ethe current wheels ( 10 spoke ), but they show no
   signs

   > of stress, damage either.

   >

   > It may be my luck, it could be others bad luck, it could be misuse
   and

   > driving style.

   >

   > My Dad owned 3 Audi 5000's, he never had any issues either, maybe
   because

   > he never pressed the gas instead of the brake.

   >

   >

   > Michael Shortt

   >

   >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, < [132]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:

   >>

   >>

   >> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [133]davel at emspace.comwrites:

   >>

   >>

   >>

   >> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.

   >> I think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the

   >> unsprung weight for track use?

   >> dave

   >>

   >>

   >>>>> Interesting.  This was apparently a reply to an original post by

   >> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
   wind up

   >> in my spam folder?

   >>

   >> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,

   >> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
   below:

   >>

   >>

   >>> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:

   >>>    Greetings,

   >>>

   >>>    After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief inventory

   >> today,

   >>>    I have 21 Campy wheels,

   >>

   >>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)

   >>

   >>

   >>

   >>>    5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
   Triple

   >>>    Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
   for

   >> Hall

   >>>    Pantera.

   >>

   >>

   >>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?  He did
   make

   >> them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some

   markedly

   >> better than others.  Can you share some images perhaps to help in

   >> identification?

   >>

   >> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were

   >> welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?

   >>

   >>>>    And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.

   >>

   >>>>> What kind of wheels are those?  10 spokes is a pretty vague

   >> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
   they

   have

   >> at least. :>)

   >>

   >>>

   >>>    I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,

   >>>    And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for Rally
   and

   >>>    Track use.

   >>

   >>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall

   >> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
   center

   >> spinner?  Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the
   latter

   being

   >> the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever encountered).

   >>

   >>

   >>>    I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny

   >> Blackwalls

   >>>    and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos, With
   a

   >> spare

   >>>    Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.

   >>

   >>>>> Sounds good!

   >>

   >>>

   >>>>    That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
   Sell or

   >>>    Trade. Photos Available.

   >>

   >>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?  What kind are
   they?

   >> Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
   wheels?

   >>

   >>>    I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?

   >>

   >>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.  These
   were

   >> an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.  I
   have no

   >> idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any other
   car

   >> wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very small
   indeed.

   >> Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had single slot
   wheels.

   >>

   >> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot
   wheels to

   >> appear. :>)

   >>

   >>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
   Campy

   >>>    Wheel education.

   >>

   >>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
   your

   >> aftermarket wheels.  Simply put, I would never wish three-piece Hall

   wheels

   >> on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.  We
   collectively

   know

   >> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and a

   >> potential accident.  Jack has often told of the car that was
   zorching

   down

   >> Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his
   Hall

   >> wheel dismantled himself; I believe it thrust the car into the
   scenery,

   but

   >> can't remember that aspect of the story for sure.  Jack?

   >>

   >> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to

   sell;

   >> a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and he
   had to

   >> tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
   halfway

   >> around.  The other three wheels had similar cracks when they were
   taken

   >> apart and inspected.

   >>

   >> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall

   wheel;

   >> when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the freeway
   in

   Los

   >> Angeles.  What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the brake
   line

   was

   >> damaged.  MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran the
   Silver

   >> State a day or two later, but when he stepped on the brakes at the
   finish

   >> line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest
   was

   >> history.

   >>

   >> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.

   >>

   >> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
   woefully

   >> under-engineered, and today should be related either to a display
   case,

   or

   >> a recycling bin IMHO....

   >>

   >> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as
   the

   >> Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with, admittedly)
   are

   >> nothing like these Hall wheels at all.

   >>

   >>>>    Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green

   >> primer,

   >>>    I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
   see the

   >>>    final results.

   >>>    Photo attached.

   >>

   >>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo

   >> either....

   >>

   >> Cheers!

   >>

   >> Mike

   >

   >

   >

   > --

   >

   >

   >

   >

   >

   >

   >

   > Michael L. Shortt

   > Savannah, Georgia

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   > 912-232-9390

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   >   none of my wheels are assembled ( fasteners) 3 piece wheels, all
   are

   >   welded or billet.

   >   I have driven on the wheels on street, on track and on the Tail of
   the

   >   Dragon and have had zero issues in 12 years with 2 different
   designs,

   >   not sure who mad ethe current wheels ( 10 spoke ), but they show no

   >   signs of stress, damage either.

   >   It may be my luck, it could be others bad luck, it could be misuse
   and

   >   driving style.

   >   My Dad owned 3 Audi 5000's, he never had any issues either, maybe

   >   because he never pressed the gas instead of the brake.

   >   Michael Shortt

   >

   >   On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, <[1] [136]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   wrote:

   >

   >     In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [2]
   [137]davel at emspace.comwrites:

   >     My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.

   >     I think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about
   the

   >     unsprung weight for track use?

   >     dave

   >>>> Interesting.A  This was apparently a reply to an original post by

   >  Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it

   >     wind up in my spam folder?

   >     I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these
   days....anyway,

   >     thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies

   >     below:

   >>     On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:

   >> A  A A  Greetings,

   >>

   >> A  A A  After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief

   >     inventory today,

   >> A  A A  I have 21 Campy wheels,

   >>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)

   >

   >> A  A A  5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero

   >     Triple

   >> A  A A  Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels

   >     made for Hall

   >> A  A A  Pantera.

   >>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?A  He did

   >     make them for several other vendors, in several different styles,

   >     some markedly better than others.A  Can you share some images

   >     perhaps to help in identification?

   >     Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that
   were

   >     welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?

   >

   >>> A  A A  And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and

   >     245/40.

   >>>> What kind of wheels are those?A  10 spokes is a pretty vague

   >     descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes

   >     they have at least. :>)

   >

   >>

   >> A  A A  I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,

   >> A  A A  And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for

   >     Rally and

   >> A  A A  Track use.

   >>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall

   >     wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake

   >     center spinner?A  Those are as different as chalk and cheese
   (with

   >     the latter being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've

   >     ever encountered).

   >

   >> A  A A  I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny

   >     Blackwalls

   >> A  A A  and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,

   >     With a spare

   >> A  A A  Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.

   >>>> Sounds good!A

   >

   >>

   >>> A  A A  That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose

   >     of. Sell or

   >> A  A A  Trade. Photos Available.

   >>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?A  What kind are

   >     they?A  Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some

   >     L-model wheels?

   >

   >> A  A A  I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?

   >>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.A

   >  These were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile

   >     prototype.A I have no idea how many were put into production but

   >     I've never seen any other car wearing them, so I would have to

   >     imagine the number is very small indeed.A  Even 1006, the
   earliest

   >     known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels.

   >     So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot

   >     wheels to appear. :>)

   >

   >> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the

   >     Campy

   >> A  A A  Wheel education.

   >>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about

   >     your aftermarket wheels.A  Simply put, I would never wish

   >     three-piece Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for

   >     track use.A  We collectively know about multiple failures, which

   >     always led to rapid deflation and a potential accident.A  Jack
   has

   >     often told of the car that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in
   Las

   >     Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his Hall wheel
   dismantled

   >     himself; I believe it thrust the car into the scenery, but can't

   >     remember that aspect of the story for sure.A  Jack?

   >     Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying
   to

   >     sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!)

   >   and he had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had

   >     cracked halfway around.A  The other three wheels had similar
   cracks

   >     when they were taken apart and inspected.

   >     And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his
   Hall

   >     wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto
   the

   >     freeway in Los Angeles.A  What wasn't seen was that during the

   >     collapse, the brake line was damaged.A  MD swapped his stock
   wheels

   >     w/race tires on and ran the Silver State a day or two later, but

   >     when he stepped on the brakes at the finish line, the line
   ruptured,

   >     fluid sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest was history.

   >     And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.

   >     Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were

   >     woefully under-engineered, and today should be related either to
   a

   >     display case, or a recycling bin IMHO....

   >     So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here,
   as

   >     the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,

   >  admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.

   >>> A  A A  Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the

   >     green primer,

   >> A  A A  I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just

   >     to see the

   >> A  A A  final results.

   >> A  A A  Photo attached.

   >>

   >>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo

   >     either....

   >     Cheers!

   > Mike

   >

   >   --

   >   Michael L. Shortt

   >   Savannah, Georgia

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   >   [4] [139]michael at michaelshortt.com

   >   912-232-9390

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   >   4. [143]mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com

   >

   > ------------------------------

   >

   > Message: 9

   > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:23:36 -0800

   > From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" < [144]guson at home.se>

   > To: < [145]MikeLDrew at aol.com>

   > Cc: < [146]gaino at earthlink.net>,    < [147]detomaso at poca.com>

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   > Message-ID: < [148]F6F0EDD7F26440B0970C3CD2C70F6033 at mail2world.com>

   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

   >

   > Mike,

   >

   > Bill originally wrote: Something that that blocks fluid in the brake

   > lines to hold calipers pressed against the rotors.

   >

   >

   > Aka line loc.

   >

   >

   > OEM electric parking brakes work by having an electric motor actuate
   the

   > brake via a mechanical device, like a wire.

   >

   >

   > Tomas

   >

   >

   >

   > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->

   >

   > From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso [ [149]detomaso at poca.com]

   > Sent: 13/1/2016 8:51:53 PM

   > To: [150]guson at home.se; [151]gaino at earthlink.net

   > Cc: [152]detomaso at poca.com

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >

   >

   > In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, [153]guson at home.sewrites:

   >

   >

   >> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
   brake

   >> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the

   >> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.

   >

   >>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about
   an

   > (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the
   OEMs

   > and is

   > in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective to satisfy

   > government regulations worldwide). Such systems are now available in
   the

   > aftermarket.

   >

   > I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by

   > pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
   mechanical

   > 'arm' that

   > is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for

   > sure?

   >

   > You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient
   to

   > hold

   > a car for any length of time; they are designed for very short-term
   use

   > only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than an inch)

   > crashing

   > into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow it and the fool

   > parked it

   > overnight on a slope in neutral with the line lock engaged. As the

   > brakes

   > cooled at night, they released and the car rolled through a lot
   crowded

   > with

   > collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a hedge
   and

   > down

   > into a ditch! Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been very
   bad

   > indeed.

   >

   > A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
   much

   > more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would
   still

   > hold

   > pressure even as the fluid cooled. However, it would not serve as a

   > proper

   > emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal blew
   out

   > in a

   > caliper) whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages the

   > components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work.

   >

   > Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30
   years...park

   > wisely and hope for the best!)

   > -------------- next part --------------

   >   Mike,

   >

   >   Bill originally wrote: Something that that blocks fluid in the
   brake

   >   lines to hold calipers pressed against the rotors.

   >

   >   Aka line loc.

   >

   >   OEM electric parking brakes work by having an electric motor
   actuate

   >   the brake via a mechanical device, like a wire.

   >

   >   Tomas

   >   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->

   >       From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso [ [154]detomaso at poca.com]

   >   Sent: 13/1/2016 8:51:53 PM

   >   To: [155]guson at home.se; [156]gaino at earthlink.net

   >   Cc: [157]detomaso at poca.com

   >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >   In a message dated 1/13/16 8 03 59, [158]guson at home.sewrites:

   >> That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't work as an emergency
   brake

   >> and parking brake function is dubious. If you park your car with the

   >> brakes hot they may release when they cool off.

   >>

   >>>> Tomas, you're talking about a simple line lock. He's asking about
   an

   >   (electrical) solenoid-operated system, which was pioneered by the
   OEMs

   >   and is

   >   in wide use (and is, significantly, sufficiently effective to
   satisfy

   >   government regulations worldwide). Such systems are now available
   in

   >   the

   >   aftermarket.

   >   I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
   by

   >   pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
   mechanical

   >   'arm' that

   >   is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that
   for

   >   sure?

   >   You're correct in asserting that a simple line lock is insufficient
   to

   >   hold

   >   a car for any length of time; they are designed for very short-term
   use

   >   only. Geoff Peters' Pantera nearly missed (by less than an inch)

   >   crashing

   >   into an Aston Martin DB4 when he let a friend borrow it and the
   fool

   >   parked it

   >   overnight on a slope in neutral with the line lock engaged. As the

   >   brakes

   >   cooled at night, they released and the car rolled through a lot
   crowded

   >   with

   >   collector cars, brushed past the Aston and crashed through a hedge
   and

   >   down

   >   into a ditch! Fortunately it was unhurt, but it could have been
   very

   >   bad

   >   indeed.

   >   A solenoid-type system that actuated the brake hydraulics would be
   much

   >   more effective because it has its own master cylinder that would
   still

   >   hold

   >   pressure even as the fluid cooled. However, it would not serve as a

   >   proper

   >   emergency brake if there was a hydraulic failure (say, a seal blew
   out

   >   in a

   >   caliper) whereas a cable-type system that mechanically leverages
   the

   >   components of the caliper requires no hydraulics to work.

   >   Mike (who has had no parking brake at all for the past 30
   years...park

   >   wisely and hope for the best!)

   >

   > ------------------------------

   >

   > Message: 10

   > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:30:22 -0800

   > From: Larry Stock < [159]larrys at panteraparts.com>

   > To: < [160]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, < [161]davel at emspace.com>, <
   [162]detomaso at poca.com>,

   >    < [163]michael at michaelshortt.com>

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels

   > Message-ID: <D2BC0041.15C59F% [164]larrys at panteraparts.com>

   > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="ISO-8859-1"

   >

   > I am taking in a set of 8?s and 10?s X15? Campy?s with new tires next
   week

   > on a sale and trade I am doing. Since you guys are talking about
   these, I

   > am going to have a set available in the next week or so.

   > E-mail me for more info and details.

   > [165]Larrys at PanteraParts.com(1-800-DeTomaso) 800-338-6627

   >

   >

   > On 1/13/16, 12:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"

   > < [166]detomaso-bounces at poca.comon behalf of [167]detomaso at poca.com>
   wrote:

   >

   >>  In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [168]davel at emspace.comwrites:

   >>

   >>    My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.

   >>    I think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about
   the

   >>    unsprung weight for track use?

   >>    dave

   >>

   >>>>> Interesting.  This was apparently a reply to an original post by

   >>  Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
   wind

   >>  up in my spam folder?

   >>  I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,

   >>  thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
   below:

   >>

   >>>    On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:

   >>>    Greetings,

   >>>

   >>>    After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief

   >>    inventory today,

   >>>    I have 21 Campy wheels,

   >>

   >>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)

   >>

   >>>    5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero

   >>    Triple

   >>>    Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made

   >>    for Hall

   >>>    Pantera.

   >>

   >>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?  He did

   >>  make them for several other vendors, in several different styles,
   some

   >>  markedly better than others.  Can you share some images perhaps to
   help

   >>  in identification?

   >>  Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that
   were

   >>  welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?

   >>

   >>>>    And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.

   >>

   >>>>> What kind of wheels are those?  10 spokes is a pretty vague

   >>  descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
   they

   >>  have at least. :>)

   >>

   >>>

   >>>    I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,

   >>>    And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for

   >>    Rally and

   >>>    Track use.

   >>

   >>>>> Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall

   >>  wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
   center

   >>  spinner?  Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the
   latter

   >>  being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever

   >>  encountered).

   >>

   >>>    I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny

   >>    Blackwalls

   >>>    and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,

   >>    With a spare

   >>>  Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.

   >>

   >>>>> Sounds good!

   >>

   >>>

   >>>>    That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.

   >>    Sell or

   >>>    Trade. Photos Available.

   >>

   >>>>> Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?  What kind are

   >>  they?  Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some
   L-model

   >>  wheels?

   >>

   >>>    I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?

   >>

   >>>>> I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.  These

   >>  were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.
   I

   >>  have no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen
   any

   >>  other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is
   very

   >>  small indeed.  Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had
   single

   >>  slot wheels.

   >>  So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot
   wheels

   >>  to appear. :>)

   >>

   >>> I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the

   >>    Campy

   >>>    Wheel education.

   >>

   >>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about

   >>  your aftermarket wheels.  Simply put, I would never wish
   three-piece

   >>  Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.
   We

   >>  collectively know about multiple failures, which always led to
   rapid

   >>  deflation and a potential accident.  Jack has often told of the car

   >>  that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit

   >>  speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe
   it

   >>  thrust the car into the scenery, but can't remember that aspect of
   the

   >>  story for sure.  Jack?

   >>  Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying
   to

   >>  sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!)
   and

   >>  he had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had
   cracked

   >>  halfway around.  The other three wheels had similar cracks when
   they

   >>  were taken apart and inspected.

   >>  And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall

   >>  wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the

   >>  freeway in Los Angeles.  What wasn't seen was that during the
   collapse,

   >>  the brake line was damaged.  MD swapped his stock wheels w/race
   tires

   >>  on and ran the Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped
   on

   >>  the brakes at the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed
   onto

   >>  the exhaust and the rest was history.

   >>  And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.

   >>  Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
   woefully

   >>  under-engineered, and today should be related either to a display
   case,

   >>  or a recycling bin IMHO....

   >> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as

   >>  the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,

   >>  admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.

   >>

   >>>>    Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green

   >>    primer,

   >>>    I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to

   >>    see the

   >>>    final results.

   >>>    Photo attached.

   >>

   >>>>> Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo

   >>  either....

   >>  Cheers!

   >>  Mike

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   >

   > Message: 11

   > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 22:53:34 +0100

   > From: Charles McCall < [171]charlesmccall at gmail.com>

   > To: < [172]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, < [173]guson at home.se>, <
   [174]gaino at earthlink.net>,

   >    < [175]detomaso at poca.com>

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   > Message-ID: <00fd01d14e4c$dac3a170$904ae450$@gmail.com>

   > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"

   >

   > I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by

   > pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
   mechanical

   'arm'

   > that

   > is pulling on a mechanical parking brake?   Does anybody know that
   for

   sure?

   > ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the

   second

   > case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some

   > electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
   at

   any

   > speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.

   >

   >

   >

   >

   >

   > ------------------------------

   >

   > Message: 12

   > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:02:11 -0800

   > From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" < [176]guson at home.se>

   > To: < [177]charlesmccall at gmail.com>

   > Cc: < [178]detomaso at poca.com>

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   > Message-ID: < [179]72F2415F8F0A41A0BC5857747006BB5D at mail2world.com>

   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

   >

   > It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
   would

   > not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the

   > brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip
   the

   > switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are
   on/off.

   > Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's usually also
   a

   > requirement that it's mechanically actuated, hydraulics are not
   allowed.

   >

   > Tomas

   >

   >

   >

   > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->

   >

   >        From: Charles McCall [ [180]charlesmccall at gmail.com]

   > Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM

   > To:

   > [181]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [182]guson at home.se; [183]gaino at earthlink.net;
   [184]detomaso at poca.com

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >

   > I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by

   > pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
   mechanical

   > 'arm'

   > that

   > is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for

   > sure?

   > ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the

   > second

   > case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some

   > electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
   at

   > any

   > speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.

   >

   >

   >

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   >

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   > -------------- next part --------------

   >   It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
   would

   >   not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the

   >   brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip
   the

   >   switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are

   >   on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's

   >   usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated,
   hydraulics

   >   are not allowed.

   >

   >   Tomas

   >   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->

   >       From: Charles McCall [ [187]charlesmccall at gmail.com]

   >   Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM

   >   To:

   > [188]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [189]guson at home.se; [190]gaino at earthlink.net;
   [191]detomaso at poca.com

   >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >   I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
   by

   >   pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
   mechanical

   >   'arm'

   >   that

   >   is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that
   for

   >   sure?

   >   ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid -
   the

   >   second

   >   case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some

   >   electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating
   it at

   >   any

   >   speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.

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   >

   > Message: 13

   > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 23:04:27 +0100

   > From: Charles McCall < [194]charlesmccall at gmail.com>

   > To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" < [195]guson at home.se>

   > Cc: < [196]detomaso at poca.com>

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   > Message-ID: <010701d14e4e$5fc90440$1f5b0cc0$@gmail.com>

   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

   >

   > Sorry, you are correct that it is a linear actuator. I answered
   quickly.

   In

   > any case, it is a mechanical actuator and not pressurizing the
   hydraulic

   > line.

   >

   >

   >

   > From: Tomas Gunnarsson [ [197]mailto:guson at home.se]

   > Sent: mi?rcoles, 13 de enero de 2016 23:02

   > To: [198]charlesmccall at gmail.com

   > Cc: [199]detomaso at poca.com

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >

   >

   >

   > It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
   would

   not

   > be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the
   brakes are

   > on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip the switch
   (or

   > whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are on/off. Where

   there's

   > legislation requiring a parking brake it's usually also a requirement
   that

   > it's mechanically actuated, hydraulics are not allowed.

   >

   >

   >

   > Tomas

   >

   >

   >

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   >

   >

   >

   >

   >

   >

   > From: Charles McCall [ [200]charlesmccall at gmail.com]

   > Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM

   > To: [201]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [202]guson at home.se;
   [203]gaino at earthlink.net; [204]detomaso at poca.com

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >

   > I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by

   > pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
   mechanical

   'arm'

   >

   > that

   > is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for
   sure?

   > ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid - the

   second

   >

   > case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some

   > electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
   at

   any

   > speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.

   >

   >

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   >   Sorry, you are correct that it is a linear actuator. I answered

   >   quickly. In any case, it is a mechanical actuator and not
   pressurizing

   >   the hydraulic line.

   >

   >

   >   From: Tomas Gunnarsson [ [207]mailto:guson at home.se]

   >   Sent: miercoles, 13 de enero de 2016 23:02

   >   To: [208]charlesmccall at gmail.com

   >   Cc: [209]detomaso at poca.com

   >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >

   >

   >   It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
   would

   >   not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the

   >   brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip
   the

   >   switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are

   >   on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's

   >   usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated,
   hydraulics

   >   are not allowed.

   >

   >

   >   Tomas

   >

   >   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->

   >

   >

   >

   >   From: Charles McCall [ [210]charlesmccall at gmail.com]

   >   Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM

   >   To:

   >   [1] [211]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [212]guson at home.se;
   [213]gaino at earthlink.net; [214]detomaso at poca.co

   >   m

   >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >   I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
   by

   >   pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
   mechanical

   >   'arm'

   >   that

   >   is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that
   for

   >   sure?

   >   ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid -
   the

   >   second

   >   case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some

   >   electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating
   it at

   >   any

   >   speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.

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   > Message: 14

   > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 23:09:38 +0100

   > From: Thomas Tornblom < [220]thomas at hax.se>

   > To: [221]detomaso at poca.com

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

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   > I believe VW electric parking brake have an electric motor directly
   on

   > the caliper, no cables.

   >

   >

   > Den 2016-01-13 22:53, Charles McCall skrev:

   >> I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by

   >> pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
   mechanical

   'arm'

   >> that

   >> is pulling on a mechanical parking brake?   Does anybody know that
   for

   sure?

   >> ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid -
   the

   second

   >> case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some

   >> electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
   at

   any

   >> speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.

   >>

   >>

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   > Message: 15

   > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 22:15:16 +0000 (UTC)

   > From: marshall smith < [226]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>

   > To: < [227]davel at emspace.com>, < [228]detomaso at poca.com>,

   >    < [229]michael at michaelshortt.com>,    < [230]MikeLDrew at aol.com>

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels

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   > FYI....

   >

   > I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and
   came

   with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that covered the
   lug

   nuts or you could delete the cone and go with exposed lug nuts.

   > I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I
   recall.

   >

   > Marshall

   > --------------------------------------------

   > On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso < [232]detomaso at poca.com>
   wrote:

   >

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels

   > To: [233]davel at emspace.com, [234]detomaso at poca.com,
   [235]michael at michaelshortt.com

   > Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM

   >

   > ???In a message dated

   > 1/10/16 21 39 38, [236]davel at emspace.com

   > writes:

   >

   > ? ???My 17" Hall wheels are a lot

   > heavier than the mags.

   > ? ???I think that's fine for street, but

   > aren't you concerned about the

   > ? ???unsprung weight for track use?

   > ? ???dave

   >

   > ???>>>Interesting.? This was

   > apparently a reply to an original post by

   > ???Michael Shortt, but that post never came

   > through to me nor did it wind

   > ???up in my spam folder?

   > ???I'm noting some irregularities with the

   > forum these days....anyway,

   > ???thankfully Dave included Michael's

   > original post, so see replies below:

   >

   > ? ???On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt

   > wrote:

   > ? ???>?

   > ???Greetings,

   > ? ???>

   > ? ???>? ???After

   > gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief

   > ? ???inventory today,

   > ? ???>? ???I have

   > 21 Campy wheels,

   >

   > ???>>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)

   >

   > ? ???>? ???5

   > Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero

   > ? ???Triple

   > ? ???>? ???Slots

   > ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made

   > ? ???for Hall

   > ? ???>?

   > ???Pantera.

   >

   > ???>>>Uh, I don't think Coddington

   > every made wheels for Hall?? He did

   > ???make them for several other vendors, in

   > several different styles, some

   > ???markedly better than others.? Can you

   > share some images perhaps to help

   > ???in identification?

   > ???Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke

   > Si-looking wheels that were

   > ???welded together, and perhaps Coddington

   > was the source for those?

   >

   > ? ???>>?

   > ???And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with

   > 335/35 and 245/40.

   >

   > ???>>>What kind of wheels are

   > those?? 10 spokes is a pretty vague

   > ???descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty

   > certain how many spokes they

   > ???have at least. :>)

   >

   > ? ???>

   > ? ???>? ???I am

   > keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,

   > ? ???>? ???And

   > one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for

   > ? ???Rally and

   > ? ???>? ???Track

   > use.

   >

   > ???>>>Wait--are you talking about

   > Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall

   > ???wheels which are three-piece,

   > bolt-together affairs, with a fake center

   > ???spinner?? Those are as different as

   > chalk and cheese (with the latter

   > ???being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous

   > wheels I've ever

   > ???encountered).

   >

   > ? ???>? ???I will

   > be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny

   > ? ???Blackwalls

   > ? ???>? ???and a

   > set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,

   > ? ???With a spare

   > ? ???>? ???Front

   > and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.

   >

   > ???>>>Sounds good!

   >

   > ? ???>

   > ? ???>>?

   > ???That leaves 2 full sets of double slot

   > wheels to dispose of.

   > ? ???Sell or

   > ? ???>? ???Trade.

   > Photos Available.

   >

   > ???>>>Somebody just asked for a

   > set--Guy Dellavecchia?? What kind are

   > ???they?? Guy might want to trade his

   > '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model

   > ???wheels?

   >

   > ? ???>? ???I'd

   > love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?

   >

   > ???>>>I have only ever seen two of

   > them (separately) in my life.? These

   > ???were an experimental wheel used on the

   > first pushmobile prototype.? I

   > ???have no idea how many were put into

   > production but I've never seen any

   > ???other car wearing them, so I would have to

   > imagine the number is very

   > ???small indeed.? Even 1006, the

   > earliest known Pantera extant, had single

   > ???slot wheels.

   > ???So don't hold your breath waiting for a

   > full set of three-slot wheels

   > ???to appear. :>)

   >

   > ? ???>I will sort them this week by

   > design, Thanks Mike Drew for the

   > ? ???Campy

   > ? ???>? ???Wheel

   > education.

   >

   > ???>>>It's my pleasure, but at this

   > point I'm far more concerned about

   > ???your aftermarket wheels.? Simply put,

   > I would never wish three-piece

   > ???Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and

   > especially not for track use.? We

   > ???collectively know about multiple failures,

   > which always led to rapid

   > ???deflation and a potential accident.?

   > Jack has often told of the car

   > ???that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in

   > Las Vegas at triple digit

   > ???speeds one year when his Hall wheel

   > dismantled himself; I believe it

   > ???thrust the car into the scenery, but can't

   > remember that aspect of the

   > ???story for sure.? Jack?

   > ???Larry Stock had a car on the grass at

   > Concorso that he was trying to

   > ???sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while

   > the car was parked (!) and

   > ???he had to tow it back to Nevada as it

   > couldn't be fixed--it had cracked

   > ???halfway around.? The other three

   > wheels had similar cracks when they

   > ???were taken apart and inspected.

   > ???And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused

   > by the failure of his Hall

   > ???wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,

   > the car fell down onto the

   > ???freeway in Los Angeles.? What wasn't

   > seen was that during the collapse,

   > ???the brake line was damaged.? MD

   > swapped his stock wheels w/race tires

   > ???on and ran the Silver State a day or two

   > later, but when he stepped on

   > ???the brakes at the finish line, the line

   > ruptured, fluid sprayed onto

   > ???the exhaust and the rest was history.

   > ???And on and on and on...I'm sure there are

   > many others.

   > ???Those wheels were a very well-intentioned

   > design but they were woefully

   > ???under-engineered, and today should be

   > related either to a display case,

   > ???or a recycling bin IMHO....

   > ???So tell me exactly what kind of wheels

   > you're talking about here, as

   > ???the Coddington wheels (which I have

   > aesthetic problems with,

   > ???admittedly) are nothing like these Hall

   > wheels at all.

   >

   > ? ???>>?

   > ???Just let a local guy soda blast two of

   > them down to the green

   > ? ???primer,

   > ? ???>? ???I'll

   > probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to

   > ? ???see the

   > ? ???>? ???final

   > results.

   > ? ???>? ???Photo

   > attached.

   > ? ???>

   >

   > ???>>>Since I didn't get your

   > original e-mail, I didn't get the photo

   > ???either....

   > ???Cheers!

   > ???Mike

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   > Message: 16

   > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 22:24:18 +0000 (UTC)

   > From: marshall smith < [239]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>

   > To: < [240]davel at emspace.com>, < [241]detomaso at poca.com>,

   >    < [242]michael at michaelshortt.com>,    < [243]MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
   marshall smith

   >    < [244]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels

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   >

   > Additionally....Hall's 10 spoke wheels have the spokes slanted
   slightly

   inboard or towards the suspension. I believe Wilkinson made a 10 spoke
   wheel

   where the spokes slant outward. These are visually better looking
   giving  a

   semi dished look and have slightly rounded spokes where the Hall's have

   sharp edged spokes.

   >

   > M

   > --------------------------------------------

   > On Wed, 1/13/16, marshall smith < [246]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
   wrote:

   >

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels

   > To: [247]davel at emspace.com, [248]detomaso at poca.com,
   [249]michael at michaelshortt.com,

   [250]MikeLDrew at aol.com

   > Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 2:15 PM

   >

   > FYI....

   >

   > I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded

   > centers and came with a center hub that had a dummy spinner

   > and cone that covered the lug nuts or you could delete the

   > cone and go with exposed lug nuts.

   > I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s

   > as I recall.

   >

   > Marshall

   > --------------------------------------------

   > On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso < [251]detomaso at poca.com>

   > wrote:

   >

   >  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels

   >  To: [252]davel at emspace.com,

   > [253]detomaso at poca.com,

   > [254]michael at michaelshortt.com

   >  Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM

   >

   > ???In a message dated

   >  1/10/16 21 39 38, [255]davel at emspace.com

   >  writes:

   >

   > ? ???My 17" Hall wheels are a lot

   >  heavier than the mags.

   >  ? ???I think that's fine for street, but

   >  aren't you concerned about the

   >  ? ???unsprung weight for track use?

   >  ? ???dave

   >

   >  ???>>>Interesting.? This was

   >  apparently a reply to an original post by

   >  ???Michael Shortt, but that post never came

   >  through to me nor did it wind

   >  ???up in my spam folder?

   >  ???I'm noting some irregularities with the

   >  forum these days....anyway,

   >  ???thankfully Dave included Michael's

   >  original post, so see replies below:

   >

   >  ? ???On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt

   >  wrote:

   >  ? ???>?

   > ???Greetings,

   >  ? ???>

   >  ? ???>? ???After

   >  gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief

   >  ? ???inventory today,

   >  ? ???>? ???I have

   >  21 Campy wheels,

   >

   >  ???>>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)

   >

   >  ? ???>? ???5

   >  Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero

   >  ? ???Triple

   >  ? ???>? ???Slots

   >  ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made

   >  ? ???for Hall

   >  ? ???>?

   >  ???Pantera.

   >

   >  ???>>>Uh, I don't think Coddington

   >  every made wheels for Hall?? He did

   >  ???make them for several other vendors, in

   >  several different styles, some

   >  ???markedly better than others.? Can you

   >  share some images perhaps to help

   >  ???in identification?

   >  ???Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke

   >  Si-looking wheels that were

   >  ???welded together, and perhaps Coddington

   >  was the source for those?

   >

   >  ? ???>>?

   >  ???And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with

   >  335/35 and 245/40.

   >

   >  ???>>>What kind of wheels are

   >  those?? 10 spokes is a pretty vague

   >  ???descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty

   >  certain how many spokes they

   >  ???have at least. :>)

   >

   >  ? ???>

   >  ? ???>? ???I am

   >  keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,

   >  ? ???>? ???And

   >  one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for

   >  ? ???Rally and

   >  ? ???>? ???Track

   >  use.

   >

   >  ???>>>Wait--are you talking about

   >  Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall

   >  ???wheels which are three-piece,

   >  bolt-together affairs, with a fake center

   >  ???spinner?? Those are as different as

   >  chalk and cheese (with the latter

   >  ???being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous

   >  wheels I've ever

   >  ???encountered).

   >

   >  ? ???>? ???I will

   >  be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny

   >  ? ???Blackwalls

   >  ? ???>? ???and a

   >  set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,

   >  ? ???With a spare

   >  ? ???>? ???Front

   >  and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.

   >

   >  ???>>>Sounds good!

   >

   >  ? ???>

   >  ? ???>>?

   >  ???That leaves 2 full sets of double slot

   >  wheels to dispose of.

   >  ? ???Sell or

   >  ? ???>? ???Trade.

   >  Photos Available.

   >

   >  ???>>>Somebody just asked for a

   >  set--Guy Dellavecchia?? What kind are

   >  ???they?? Guy might want to trade his

   >  '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model

   >  ???wheels?

   >

   >  ? ???>? ???I'd

   >  love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?

   >

   >  ???>>>I have only ever seen two of

   >  them (separately) in my life.? These

   >  ???were an experimental wheel used on the

   >  first pushmobile prototype.? I

   >  ???have no idea how many were put into

   >  production but I've never seen any

   >  ???other car wearing them, so I would have to

   >  imagine the number is very

   >  ???small indeed.? Even 1006, the

   >  earliest known Pantera extant, had single

   >  ???slot wheels.

   >  ???So don't hold your breath waiting for a

   >  full set of three-slot wheels

   >  ???to appear. :>)

   >

   >  ? ???>I will sort them this week by

   >  design, Thanks Mike Drew for the

   >  ? ???Campy

   >  ? ???>? ???Wheel

   >  education.

   >

   >  ???>>>It's my pleasure, but at this

   >  point I'm far more concerned about

   >  ???your aftermarket wheels.? Simply put,

   >  I would never wish three-piece

   >  ???Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and

   >  especially not for track use.? We

   >  ???collectively know about multiple failures,

   >  which always led to rapid

   >  ???deflation and a potential accident.?

   >  Jack has often told of the car

   >  ???that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in

   >  Las Vegas at triple digit

   >  ???speeds one year when his Hall wheel

   >  dismantled himself; I believe it

   >  ???thrust the car into the scenery, but can't

   >  remember that aspect of the

   >  ???story for sure.? Jack?

   >  ???Larry Stock had a car on the grass at

   >  Concorso that he was trying to

   >  ???sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while

   >  the car was parked (!) and

   >  ???he had to tow it back to Nevada as it

   >  couldn't be fixed--it had cracked

   >  ???halfway around.? The other three

   >  wheels had similar cracks when they

   >  ???were taken apart and inspected.

   >  ???And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused

   >  by the failure of his Hall

   >  ???wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,

   >  the car fell down onto the

   >  ???freeway in Los Angeles.? What wasn't

   >  seen was that during the collapse,

   >  ???the brake line was damaged.? MD

   >  swapped his stock wheels w/race tires

   >  ???on and ran the Silver State a day or two

   >  later, but when he stepped on

   >  ???the brakes at the finish line, the line

   >  ruptured, fluid sprayed onto

   >  ???the exhaust and the rest was history.

   >  ???And on and on and on...I'm sure there are

   >  many others.

   >  ???Those wheels were a very well-intentioned

   >  design but they were woefully

   >  ???under-engineered, and today should be

   >  related either to a display case,

   >  ???or a recycling bin IMHO....

   >  ???So tell me exactly what kind of wheels

   >  you're talking about here, as

   >  ???the Coddington wheels (which I have

   >  aesthetic problems with,

   >  ???admittedly) are nothing like these Hall

   >  wheels at all.

   >

   >  ? ???>>?

   >  ???Just let a local guy soda blast two of

   >  them down to the green

   >  ? ???primer,

   >  ? ???>? ???I'll

   >  probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to

   >  ? ???see the

   >  ? ???>? ???final

   >  results.

   >  ? ???>? ???Photo

   >  attached.

   >  ? ???>

   >

   >  ???>>>Since I didn't get your

   >  original e-mail, I didn't get the photo

   >  ???either....

   >  ???Cheers!

   >  ???Mike

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   > Message: 17

   > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:44:23 -0500

   > From: Michael Shortt < [260]michaelsavga at gmail.com>

   > To: marshall smith < [261]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
   [262]detomaso at poca.com

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels

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   > Marshall,

   >

   > I have those too, considered having them Powdercoated, but the center

   > treatment would look silly. I have both the spinners and the big
   black

   > lugs. The other set is the 5 spoke from Hall/Boyd.

   >

   > Michael Shortt

   > On Jan 13, 2016 5:15 PM, "marshall smith" <
   [264]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>

   > wrote:

   >

   >> FYI....

   >>

   >> I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and
   came

   >> with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that covered the
   lug

   >> nuts or you could delete the cone and go with exposed lug nuts.

   >> I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I
   recall.

   >>

   >> Marshall

   >> --------------------------------------------

   >> On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso < [265]detomaso at poca.com>
   wrote:

   >>

   >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels

   >> To: [266]davel at emspace.com, [267]detomaso at poca.com,
   [268]michael at michaelshortt.com

   >> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM

   >>

   >>    In a message dated

   >> 1/10/16 21 39 38, [269]davel at emspace.com

   >> writes:

   >>

   >>      My 17" Hall wheels are a lot

   >> heavier than the mags.

   >>      I think that's fine for street, but

   >> aren't you concerned about the

   >>      unsprung weight for track use?

   >>      dave

   >>

   >>>>> Interesting.  This was

   >> apparently a reply to an original post by

   >>    Michael Shortt, but that post never came

   >> through to me nor did it wind

   >>   up in my spam folder?

   >>    I'm noting some irregularities with the

   >> forum these days....anyway,

   >>    thankfully Dave included Michael's

   >> original post, so see replies below:

   >>

   >>      On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt

   >> wrote:

   >>    Greetings,

   >>>

   >>>    After

   >> gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief

   >>      inventory today,

   >>>    I have

   >> 21 Campy wheels,

   >>

   >>>>> Uh...that's a lot. :>)

   >>

   >>>    5

   >> Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero

   >>      Triple

   >>>    Slots

   >> ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made

   >>      for Hall

   >>    Pantera.

   >>

   >>>>> Uh, I don't think Coddington

   >> every made wheels for Hall?  He did

   >>    make them for several other vendors, in

   >> several different styles, some

   >>    markedly better than others.  Can you

   >> share some images perhaps to help

   >>    in identification?

   >>    Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke

   >> Si-looking wheels that were

   >>    welded together, and perhaps Coddington

   >> was the source for those?

   >>

   >>    And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with

   >> 335/35 and 245/40.

   >>

   >>>>> What kind of wheels are

   >> those?  10 spokes is a pretty vague

   >>    descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty

   >> certain how many spokes they

   >>   have at least. :>)

   >>

   >>>

   >>>    I am

   >> keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,

   >>>    And

   >> one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for

   >>      Rally and

   >>>    Track

   >> use.

   >>

   >>>>> Wait--are you talking about

   >> Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall

   >>    wheels which are three-piece,

   >> bolt-together affairs, with a fake center

   >>    spinner?  Those are as different as

   >> chalk and cheese (with the latter

   >>    being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous

   >> wheels I've ever

   >>    encountered).

   >>

   >>>    I will

   >> be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny

   >>     Blackwalls

   >>>    and a

   >> set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,

   >>      With a spare

   >>>    Front

   >> and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.

   >>

   >>>>> Sounds good!

   >>

   >>>

   >>    That leaves 2 full sets of double slot

   >> wheels to dispose of.

   >>      Sell or

   >>>    Trade.

   >> Photos Available.

   >>

   >>>>> Somebody just asked for a

   >> set--Guy Dellavecchia?  What kind are

   >>    they?  Guy might want to trade his

   >> '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model

   >>    wheels?

   >>

   >>>    I'd

   >> love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?

   >>

   >>>>> I have only ever seen two of

   >> them (separately) in my life.  These

   >>    were an experimental wheel used on the

   >> first pushmobile prototype.  I

   >>    have no idea how many were put into

   >> production but I've never seen any

   >>    other car wearing them, so I would have to

   >> imagine the number is very

   >>    small indeed.  Even 1006, the

   >> earliest known Pantera extant, had single

   >>    slot wheels.

   >>    So don't hold your breath waiting for a

   >> full set of three-slot wheels

   >>    to appear. :>)

   >>

   >>> I will sort them this week by

   >> design, Thanks Mike Drew for the

   >>      Campy

   >>>    Wheel

   >> education.

   >>

   >>>>> It's my pleasure, but at this

   >> point I'm far more concerned about

   >>    your aftermarket wheels.  Simply put,

   >> I would never wish three-piece

   >>    Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and

   >> especially not for track use.  We

   >>    collectively know about multiple failures,

   >> which always led to rapid

   >>    deflation and a potential accident.

   >> Jack has often told of the car

   >>    that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in

   >> Las Vegas at triple digit

   >>    speeds one year when his Hall wheel

   >> dismantled himself; I believe it

   >>    thrust the car into the scenery, but can't

   >> remember that aspect of the

   >>   story for sure.  Jack?

   >>    Larry Stock had a car on the grass at

   >> Concorso that he was trying to

   >>    sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while

   >> the car was parked (!) and

   >>    he had to tow it back to Nevada as it

   >> couldn't be fixed--it had cracked

   >>    halfway around.  The other three

   >> wheels had similar cracks when they

   >>    were taken apart and inspected.

   >>    And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused

   >> by the failure of his Hall

   >>    wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,

   >> the car fell down onto the

   >>    freeway in Los Angeles.  What wasn't

   >> seen was that during the collapse,

   >>    the brake line was damaged.  MD

   >> swapped his stock wheels w/race tires

   >>    on and ran the Silver State a day or two

   >> later, but when he stepped on

   >>    the brakes at the finish line, the line

   >> ruptured, fluid sprayed onto

   >>    the exhaust and the rest was history.

   >>    And on and on and on...I'm sure there are

   >> many others.

   >>    Those wheels were a very well-intentioned

   >> design but they were woefully

   >>    under-engineered, and today should be

   >> related either to a display case,

   >>    or a recycling bin IMHO....

   >>    So tell me exactly what kind of wheels

   >> you're talking about here, as

   >>    the Coddington wheels (which I have

   >> aesthetic problems with,

   >>    admittedly) are nothing like these Hall

   >> wheels at all.

   >>

   >>    Just let a local guy soda blast two of

   >> them down to the green

   >>      primer,

   >>>    I'll

   >> probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to

   >>      see the

   >>>   final

   >> results.

   >>>    Photo

   >> attached.

   >>

   >>>>> Since I didn't get your

   >> original e-mail, I didn't get the photo

   >>    either....

   >>    Cheers!

   >>    Mike

   >>

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   >   Marshall,

   >

   >   I have those too, considered having them Powdercoated, but the
   center

   >   treatment would look silly. I have both the spinners and the big
   black

   >   lugs. The other set is the 5 spoke from Hall/Boyd.

   >

   >   Michael Shortt

   >

   >   On Jan 13, 2016 5:15 PM, "marshall smith"

   >   <[1] [272]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

   >

   >     FYI....

   >     I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and

   >     came with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that

   >     covered the lug nuts or you could delete the cone and go with

   >     exposed lug nuts.

   >     I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I

   >     recall.

   >     Marshall

   >     --------------------------------------------

   >     On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[2]
   [273]detomaso at poca.com>

   >     wrote:

   >     A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels

   >     A To: [3] [274]davel at emspace.com, [4] [275]detomaso at poca.com,

   >     [5] [276]michael at michaelshortt.com

   >     A Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM

   >     A A A A In a message dated

   >     A 1/10/16 21 39 38, [6] [277]davel at emspace.com

   >     A writes:

   >     A A  A A A My 17" Hall wheels are a lot

   >     A heavier than the mags.

   >     A A  A A A I think that's fine for street, but

   >     A aren't you concerned about the

   >     A A  A A A unsprung weight for track use?

   >     A A  A A A dave

   >     A A A A >>>Interesting.A  This was

   >     A apparently a reply to an original post by

   > A A A A Michael Shortt, but that post never came

   >     A through to me nor did it wind

   >     A A A A up in my spam folder?

   >     A A A A I'm noting some irregularities with the

   >     A forum these days....anyway,

   >     A A A A thankfully Dave included Michael's

   >     A original post, so see replies below:

   >     A A  A A A On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt

   >     A wrote:

   >   A A  A A A >A

   >     A A A A Greetings,

   >     A A  A A A >

   >     A A  A A A >A A A A After

   >     A gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief

   >     A A A A A inventory today,

   >     A A  A A A >A  A A A I have

   >     A 21 Campy wheels,

   >     A A A A >>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)

   >     A A  A A A >A  A A A 5

   >     A Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero

   >     A A  A A A Triple

   >     A A  A A A >A  A A A Slots

   >     A ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made

   >     A A  A A A for Hall

   >     A A  A A A >A

   >     A A A A Pantera.

   >     A A A A >>>Uh, I don't think Coddington

   >     A every made wheels for Hall?A  He did

   >     A A A A make them for several other vendors, in

   >     A several different styles, some

   >     A A A A markedly better than others.A  Can you

   >     A share some images perhaps to help

   >     A A A A in identification?

   >     A A A A Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke

   >     A Si-looking wheels that were

   >     A A A A welded together, and perhaps Coddington

   >     A was the source for those?

   >     A A  A A A >>A

   >     A A A A And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with

   >     A 335/35 and 245/40.

   >     A A A A >>>What kind of wheels are

   >     A those?A  10 spokes is a pretty vague

   >     A A A A descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty

   >     A certain how many spokes they

   >     A A A A have at least. :>)

   >     A A  A A A >

   >     A A  A A A >A  A A A I am

   >     A keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,

   >     A A  A A A >A  A A A And

   >     A one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for

   >     A A  A A A Rally and

   >     A A  A A A >A  A A A Track

   >     A use.

   >     A A A A >>>Wait--are you talking about

   >     A Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall

   >     A A A A wheels which are three-piece,

   >     A bolt-together affairs, with a fake center

   >     A A A A spinner?A  Those are as different as

   >     A chalk and cheese (with the latter

   >     A A A A being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous

   >     A wheels I've ever

   >     A A A A encountered).

   >     A A  A A A >A  A A A I will

   >     A be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny

   >     A A  A A A Blackwalls

   >     A A  A A A >A  A A A and a

   >    A set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,

   >     A A  A A A With a spare

   >     A A  A A A >A  A A A Front

   >     A and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.

   >     A A A A >>>Sounds good!

   >     A A  A A A >

   >     A A  A A A >>A

   >     A A A A That leaves 2 full sets of double slot

   >     A wheels to dispose of.

   >     A A  A A A Sell or

   >     A A  A A A >A  A A A Trade.

   >     A Photos Available.

   >     A A A A >>>Somebody just asked for a

   >     A set--Guy Dellavecchia?A  What kind are

   >     A A A A they?A  Guy might want to trade his

   >     A '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model

   >     A A A A wheels?

   >     A A  A A A >A  A A A I'd

   >     A love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?

   >     A A A A >>>I have only ever seen two of

   >     A them (separately) in my life.A  These

   >     A A A A were an experimental wheel used on the

   >     A first pushmobile prototype.A  I

   >     A A A A have no idea how many were put into

   >     A production but I've never seen any

   >     A A A A other car wearing them, so I would have to

   >     A imagine the number is very

   >     A A A A small indeed.A  Even 1006, the

   >     A earliest known Pantera extant, had single

   >     A A A A slot wheels.

   >     A A A A So don't hold your breath waiting for a

   >     A full set of three-slot wheels

   >     A A A A to appear. :>)

   >     A A  A A A >I will sort them this week by

   >     A design, Thanks Mike Drew for the

   >     A A  A A A Campy

   >     A A  A A A >A  A A A Wheel

   >     A education.

   >     A A A A >>>It's my pleasure, but at this

   > A point I'm far more concerned about

   >     A A A A your aftermarket wheels.A  Simply put,

   >     A I would never wish three-piece

   >     A A A A Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and

   >     A especially not for track use.A  We

   >     A A A A collectively know about multiple failures,

   >     A which always led to rapid

   >     A A A A deflation and a potential accident.A

   >     A Jack has often told of the car

   >     A A A A that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in

   > A Las Vegas at triple digit

   >     A A A A speeds one year when his Hall wheel

   >     A dismantled himself; I believe it

   >     A A A A thrust the car into the scenery, but can't

   >     A remember that aspect of the

   >     A A A A story for sure.A  Jack?

   >     A A A A Larry Stock had a car on the grass at

   >  A Concorso that he was trying to

   >     A A A A sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while

   >     A the car was parked (!) and

   >     A A A A he had to tow it back to Nevada as it

   >     A couldn't be fixed--it had cracked

   >     A A A A halfway around.A  The other three

   >     A wheels had similar cracks when they

   >     A A A A were taken apart and inspected.

   >     A A A A And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused

   >     A by the failure of his Hall

   >     A A A A wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,

   >     A the car fell down onto the

   >   A A A A freeway in Los Angeles.A  What wasn't

   >     A seen was that during the collapse,

   >     A A A A the brake line was damaged.A  MD

   >     A swapped his stock wheels w/race tires

   >     A A A A on and ran the Silver State a day or two

   >     A later, but when he stepped on

   >     A A A A the brakes at the finish line, the line

   >     A ruptured, fluid sprayed onto

   >     A A A A the exhaust and the rest was history.

   >     A A A A And on and on and on...I'm sure there are

   >     A many others.

   >     A A A A Those wheels were a very well-intentioned

   >     A design but they were woefully

   >     A A A A under-engineered, and today should be

   >     A related either to a display case,

   >     A A A A or a recycling bin IMHO....

   >     A A A A So tell me exactly what kind of wheels

   >     A you're talking about here, as

   >     A A A A the Coddington wheels (which I have

   >     A aesthetic problems with,

   >     A A A A admittedly) are nothing like these Hall

   >     A wheels at all.

   >     A A A A A >>A

   >     A A A A Just let a local guy soda blast two of

   >     A them down to the green

   >     A A  A A A primer,

   >     A A  A A A >A  A A A I'll

   >  A probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to

   >     A A  A A A see the

   >     A A  A A A >A  A A A final

   >     A results.

   >     A A  A A A >A  A A A Photo

   >     A attached.

   >     A A  A A A >

   >     A A A A >>>Since I didn't get your

   >     A original e-mail, I didn't get the photo

   >     A A A A either....

   >     A A A A Cheers!

   >     A A A A Mike

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   >   3. [282]mailto:davel at emspace.com

   >   4. [283]mailto:detomaso at poca.com

   >   5. [284]mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com

   >   6. [285]mailto:davel at emspace.com

   >   7. [286]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com

   >   8. [287]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

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   > Message: 18

   > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 03:51:32 +0000 (UTC)

   > From: Ken Green < [288]kenn_green at yahoo.com>

   > To: Tomas Gunnarsson < [289]guson at home.se>,    "
   [290]charlesmccall at gmail.com"

   >    < [291]charlesmccall at gmail.com>,    Scott Bell <
   [292]scott at saccrestorations.net>

   > Cc: " [293]detomaso at poca.com" < [294]detomaso at poca.com>

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   > Message-ID:

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   [295]1037889853.5193710.1452743492663.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>

   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

   >

   > Scott at SACC ( [296]http://www.saccrestorations.net/) was selling an
   electric

   parking brake actuator kit?for?Panteras.? I'm not sure if it is
   currently

   available, so you'd have to ask Scott.

   > Ken

   > ?

   >

   >      From: Tomas Gunnarsson < [297]guson at home.se>

   > To: [298]charlesmccall at gmail.com

   > Cc: [299]detomaso at poca.com

   > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >

   > ? It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
   would

   > ? not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the

   > ? brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip
   the

   > ? switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are

   > ? on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's

   > ? usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated,
   hydraulics

   > ? are not allowed.

   >

   > ? Tomas

   > ? <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->

   > ? ? ? From: Charles McCall [ [300]charlesmccall at gmail.com]

   > ? Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM

   > ? To:

   > ? [301]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [302]guson at home.se;
   [303]gaino at earthlink.net; [304]detomaso at poca.com

   > ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   > ? I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
   by

   > ? pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
   mechanical

   > ? 'arm'

   > ? that

   > ? is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that
   for

   > ? sure?

   > ? ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid -
   the

   > ? second

   > ? case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some

   > ? electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating
   it at

   > ? any

   > ? speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.

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   >   Scott at SACC ([1] [309]http://www.saccrestorations.net/) was
   selling an

   >   electric parking brake actuator kit for Panteras.  I'm not sure if
   it

   >   is currently available, so you'd have to ask Scott.

   >   Ken

   >
   __________________________________________________________________

   >

   >   From: Tomas Gunnarsson < [310]guson at home.se>

   >   To: [311]charlesmccall at gmail.com

   >   Cc: [312]detomaso at poca.com

   >   Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM

   >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >     It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid

   >   would

   >     not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time
   the

   >     brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you
   flip

   >   the

   >     switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are

   >     on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's

   >     usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated,

   >   hydraulics

   >     are not allowed.

   >     Tomas

   >     <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->

   >         From: Charles McCall [[2] [313]charlesmccall at gmail.com]

   >     Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM

   >     To:

   >

   >   [3] [314]MikeLDrew at aol.com;[4] [315]guson at home.se;[5]
   [316]gaino at earthlink.net;[6]detomas

   > [317]o at poca.com

   >     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >     I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
   by

   >     pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple

   >   mechanical

   >     'arm'

   >     that

   >     is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that
   for

   >     sure?

   >     ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid -
   the

   >     second

   >     case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have
   some

   >     electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating
   it

   >   at

   >     any

   >     speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.

   >     _______________________________________________

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   >     [7] [318]DeTomaso at poca.com

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   >     To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.)

   >     use the links above.

   >     .

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   >   DeTomaso mailing list

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   >   [10] [321]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

   >   To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
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   >   use the links above.

   >

   > References

   >

   >   1. [322]http://www.saccrestorations.net/

   >   2. [323]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com

   >   3. [324]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com

   >   4. [325]mailto:guson at home.se

   >   5. [326]mailto:gaino at earthlink.net

   >   6. [327]mailto:detomaso at poca.com

   >   7. [328]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com

   >   8. [329]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

   >   9. [330]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com

   >  10. [331]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

   >

   > ------------------------------

   >

   > Message: 19

   > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 20:19:16 -0800

   > From: "Scott Bell" < [332]scott at saccrestorations.net>

   > To: "'Ken Green'" < [333]kenn_green at yahoo.com>

   > Cc: < [334]detomaso at poca.com>

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   > Message-ID: <013501d14e82$bc2e21f0$348a65d0$@saccrestorations.net>

   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

   >

   > Yes, the E-Stopp Electronic Parking Brake Kit is back and available
   to use

   with the stock Pantera rear Calipers or with any aftermarket parking
   brake

   caliper. I will add them back to our website later this week.

   >

   > We offer the kit as it is sold from E-Stopp. The do-it-yourselfer can
   fab

   the brackets needed to mount it in the Pantera. OR, we offer an
   installation

   kit that makes the unit a bolt on upgrade.

   >

   > Interestingly, before I had the E-Stopp installed in my Pantera, I
   almost

   never set my parking brake. Not sure why, maybe because I didn?t like
   how

   awkward the stock unit was to operate. For the stock unit to work it
   really

   needs to be set with a bit or force. Then, to release, I needed to use
   both

   hands. After installing the Electronic unit, I set the parking brake
   every

   time I park the car.

   >

   > In addition to the Electronic Actuator, SACC Restorations is coming
   out

   with a new Parking Brake Caliper Kit that will be a bolt on unit custom

   fitted specifically for the Pantera. This will give owners an
   opportunity to

   upgrade to a great looking, light weight and affordable parking brake

   solution. More to come on the new product in the next few weeks!

   >

   > Scott

   >

   > From: Ken Green [ [335]mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]

   > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:52 PM

   > To: Tomas Gunnarsson; [336]charlesmccall at gmail.com; Scott Bell

   > Cc: [337]detomaso at poca.com

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >

   > Scott at SACC ( [338]http://www.saccrestorations.net/) was selling an
   electric

   parking brake actuator kit for Panteras.  I'm not sure if it is
   currently

   available, so you'd have to ask Scott.

   >

   > Ken

   >

   >

   >  _____

   >

   > From: Tomas Gunnarsson < [339]guson at home.se>

   > To: [340]charlesmccall at gmail.com

   > Cc: [341]detomaso at poca.com

   > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >

   >  It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid
   would

   >  not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time the

   >  brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you flip
   the

   >  switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are

   >  on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's

   >  usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated,
   hydraulics

   >  are not allowed.

   >

   >  Tomas

   >  <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->

   >      From: Charles McCall [ [342]charlesmccall at gmail.com]

   >  Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM

   >  To:

   > [343]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [344]guson at home.se; [345]gaino at earthlink.net;
   [346]detomaso at poca.com

   >  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >  I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work by

   >  pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple
   mechanical

   >  'arm'

   >  that

   >  is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that for

   >  sure?

   >  ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid -
   the

   >  second

   >  case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have some

   >  electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating it
   at

   >  any

   >  speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.

   >  _______________________________________________

   >  Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA

   >  Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes

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   >  To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
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   >  use the links above.

   >  .

   >

   > _______________________________________________

   >

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   >

   > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   use

   the links above.

   >

   >

   > -------------- next part --------------

   >   Yes, the E-Stopp Electronic Parking Brake Kit is back and available
   to

   >   use with the stock Pantera rear Calipers or with any aftermarket

   >   parking brake caliper. I will add them back to our website later
   this

   >   week.

   >

   >

   >   We offer the kit as it is sold from E-Stopp. The do-it-yourselfer
   can

   >   fab the brackets needed to mount it in the Pantera. OR, we offer an

   >   installation kit that makes the unit a bolt on upgrade.

   >

   >

   >   Interestingly, before I had the E-Stopp installed in my Pantera, I

   >   almost never set my parking brake. Not sure why, maybe because I
   didn't

   >   like how awkward the stock unit was to operate. For the stock unit
   to

   >   work it really needs to be set with a bit or force. Then, to
   release, I

   >   needed to use both hands. After installing the Electronic unit, I
   set

   >   the parking brake every time I park the car.

   >

   >

   >   In addition to the Electronic Actuator, SACC Restorations is coming
   out

   >   with a new Parking Brake Caliper Kit that will be a bolt on unit
   custom

   >   fitted specifically for the Pantera. This will give owners an

   >   opportunity to upgrade to a great looking, light weight and
   affordable

   >   parking brake solution. More to come on the new product in the next
   few

   >   weeks!

   >

   >

   > Scott

   >

   >

   >   From: Ken Green [ [351]mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]

   >   Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:52 PM

   >   To: Tomas Gunnarsson; [352]charlesmccall at gmail.com; Scott Bell

   >   Cc: [353]detomaso at poca.com

   >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >

   >

   >   Scott at SACC ([1] [354]http://www.saccrestorations.net/) was
   selling an

   >   electric parking brake actuator kit for Panteras.  I'm not sure if
   it

   >   is currently available, so you'd have to ask Scott.

   >

   >

   >   Ken

   >

   >
   _______________________________________________________________________

   >

   >   From: Tomas Gunnarsson <[2] [355]guson at home.se>

   >   To: [3] [356]charlesmccall at gmail.com

   > Cc: [4] [357]detomaso at poca.com

   >   Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:02 PM

   >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >

   >     It is more likely a linear actuator driven by a motor. A solenoid

   >   would

   >     not be good as it would need to draw current for the whole time
   the

   >     brakes are on. You can probably hear the motor whine when you
   flip

   >   the

   >     switch (or whatever) and then it goes silent when the brakes are

   >     on/off. Where there's legislation requiring a parking brake it's

   >     usually also a requirement that it's mechanically actuated,

   >   hydraulics

   >     are not allowed.

   >     Tomas

   >     <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->

   >         From: Charles McCall [[5] [358]charlesmccall at gmail.com]

   >     Sent: 13/1/2016 10:53:34 PM

   >     To:

   >

   >   [6] [359]MikeLDrew at aol.com;[7] [360]guson at home.se;[8]
   [361]gaino at earthlink.net;[9]detomas

   > [362]o at poca.com

   >     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >     I confess I don't know if OEM electric parking brake systems work
   by

   >     pressurizing the fluid in the line, or if they are a simple

   >   mechanical

   >     'arm'

   >     that

   >     is pulling on a mechanical parking brake? Does anybody know that
   for

   >     sure?

   >     ****Audis use a mechanical parking brake actuated by a solenoid -
   the

   >     second

   >     case. They do not pressurize the fluid in the line. They have
   some

   >     electronics to ease the brake on if you are moving, but actuating
   it

   >   at

   >     any

   >     speed locks up your brakes. They are either on or off.

   >     _______________________________________________

   >     Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA

   >     Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes

   >     DeTomaso mailing list

   >     [10] [363]DeTomaso at poca.com

   >     [11] [364]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

   >     To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.)

   >     use the links above.

   >     .

   >   _______________________________________________

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   >   Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes

   >   DeTomaso mailing list

   >   [12] [365]DeTomaso at poca.com

   >   [13] [366]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

   >   To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.)

   >   use the links above.

   >

   > References

   >

   >   1. [367]http://www.saccrestorations.net/

   >   2. [368]mailto:guson at home.se

   >   3. [369]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com

   >   4. [370]mailto:detomaso at poca.com

   >   5. [371]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com

   >   6. [372]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com

   >   7. [373]mailto:guson at home.se

   >   8. [374]mailto:gaino at earthlink.net

   >   9. [375]mailto:detomaso at poca.com

   >  10. [376]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com

   >  11. [377]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

   >  12. [378]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com

   >  13. [379]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

   >

   > ------------------------------

   >

   > Message: 20

   > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 16:50:07 +0000 (UTC)

   > From: B Hower < [380]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>

   > To: De Tomaso List < [381]detomaso at poca.com>

   > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 91 Merc parts

   > Message-ID:

   >    <
   [382]749672874.510825.1452790207343.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>

   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

   >

   > Hi all,

   > I am scrapping a 91 Merc Marque. If anyone would happen to need any
   parts

   from same,,,,contact me off forum.

   > ?Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
   be !

   )

   > -------------- next part --------------

   >   Hi all,

   >   I am scrapping a 91 Merc Marque. If anyone would happen to need any

   >   parts from same,,,,contact me off forum.

   >

   >   Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
   be

   >   ! )

   >

   > ------------------------------

   >

   > Message: 21

   > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:26:12 -0500

   > From: Rob Dumoulin < [383]rob at dumoulins.net>

   > To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List < [384]DeTomaso at poca.com>

   > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts

   > Message-ID:

   > <
   [385]CAEr4y_vxSUkwzguCsUO6EJwL3z5uDV7+GGdEiL6YXMPoB4H1jw at mail.gmail.com
   >

   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

   >

   > Following Bud's lead,

   >

   > The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in

   > Northwest Florida.  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M

   > transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8)
   that I

   > have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
   profit

   he

   > makes from it.  He is making it pretty to sell.  Catch it quick
   before he

   > sinks money into it for a better deal.

   >

   > Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.  Contact me off
   list if

   > you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.

   >

   > Rob

   > 904.476.8744

   > -------------- next part --------------

   >   Following Bud's lead,

   >   The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture
   in

   >   Northwest Florida.A  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M
   rims, M

   >   transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8)
   that

   >   I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any

   >   profit he makes from it.A  He is making it pretty to sell.A  Catch
   it

   >   quick before he sinks money into it for a better deal.

   >   Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.A  Contact me off
   list

   >   if you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.

   >   Rob

   >   904.476.8744

   >

   > ------------------------------

   >

   > Message: 22

   > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:35:44 -0500

   > From: "Mirril M. McMullen" < [386]mirrilm at earthlink.net>

   > To: "'Rob Dumoulin'" < [387]rob at dumoulins.net>

   > Cc: "'Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List'" < [388]DeTomaso at poca.com>

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts

   > Message-ID: <009b01d14ef1$ff563660$fe02a320$@earthlink.net>

   > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"

   >

   > Hmmm,

   >

   > Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?

   >

   > /\/\///

   >

   > -----Original Message-----

   > From: DeTomaso [ [389]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   Rob

   Dumoulin

   > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM

   > To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List

   > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts

   >

   > Following Bud's lead,

   >

   > The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in

   Northwest Florida.  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims, M

   transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8) that
   I

   have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
   profit he

   makes from it.  He is making it pretty to sell.  Catch it quick before
   he

   sinks money into it for a better deal.

   >

   > Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.  Contact me off
   list if

   you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.

   >

   > Rob

   > 904.476.8744

   >

   >

   >

   >

   > ------------------------------

   >

   > Message: 23

   > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:55:15 -0500

   > From: Rob Dumoulin < [390]rob at dumoulins.net>

   > To: Mirril McMullen < [391]mirrilm at earthlink.net>

   > Cc: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List < [392]DeTomaso at poca.com>

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts

   > Message-ID:

   >    <
   [393]CAEr4y_tsVfHd1sESiSVDnm-VZD7x5PkuiCm2OTmAZ1mJ7ZkmCw at mail.gmail.com
   >

   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

   >

   > Not at all.  Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few years
   ago.

   > Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff.  Always got

   > synthetic oil changes regular.

   >

   > 240K miles and a transmission that will not go into reverse when
   engine is

   > hot was the kicker.  That and the interior is showing age.

   >

   > Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still glides
   down

   > the road.

   >

   > Rob DuMoulin

   > 904.476.8744

   > [394]rob at dumoulins.net

   > [395]www.kbsi.co

   > [396]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58

   >

   > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen

   < [397]mirrilm at earthlink.net>

   > wrote:

   >

   >> Hmmm,

   >>

   >> Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?

   >>

   >> /\/\///

   >>

   >> -----Original Message-----

   >> From: DeTomaso [ [398]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   Rob

   >> Dumoulin

   >> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM

   >> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List

   >> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts

   >>

   >> Following Bud's lead,

   >>

   >> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture in

   >> Northwest Florida.  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims,
   M

   >> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8)
   that I

   >> have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
   profit

   he

   >> makes from it.  He is making it pretty to sell.  Catch it quick
   before he

   >> sinks money into it for a better deal.

   >>

   >> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.  Contact me off
   list if

   >> you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.

   >>

   >> Rob

   >> 904.476.8744

   > -------------- next part --------------

   >   Not at all.A  Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few
   years

   >   ago. A

   >   Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff.A  Always
   got

   >   synthetic oil changes regular.

   >   240K miles and a transmission that will not go into reverse when
   engine

   >   is hot was the kicker.A  That and the interior is showing age.A

   >   Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still
   glides

   >   down the road.

   >

   >   Rob DuMoulin

   >   904.476.8744

   >   [1] [399]rob at dumoulins.net

   >   [2] [400]www.kbsi.co

   >   [3] [401]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58

   >   On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen

   >   <[4] [402]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:

   >

   >    Hmmm,

   >     Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?

   >     /\/\///

   >

   >   -----Original Message-----

   >   From: DeTomaso [ [403]mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
   Behalf Of Rob

   >   Dumoulin

   >   Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM

   >   To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List

   >   Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts

   >   Following Bud's lead,

   >   The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture
   in

   >   Northwest Florida.A  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M
   rims, M

   >   transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8)
   that

   >   I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any

   > profit he makes from it.A  He is making it pretty to sell.A  Catch it

   >   quick before he sinks money into it for a better deal.

   >   Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.A  Contact me off
   list

   >   if you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.

   >   Rob

   >   904.476.8744

   >

   > References

   >

   >   1. [404]mailto:rob at dumoulins.net

   >   2. [405]http://www.kbsi.co/

   >   3. [406]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58

   >   4. [407]mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net

   >   5. [408]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com

   >

   > ------------------------------

   >

   > Message: 24

   > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:56:57 -0500

   > From: Rob Dumoulin < [409]rob at dumoulins.net>

   > To: Mirril McMullen < [410]mirrilm at earthlink.net>

   > Cc: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List < [411]DeTomaso at poca.com>

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts

   > Message-ID:

   >    <CAEr4y_ubKH1kTNF61wqfS+TpW+q2OPZuP=uwOjq5Y=
   [412]FhZt-Apw at mail.gmail.com>

   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

   >

   > Forgot to add....I have 6 cars. I do not need 6 cars.

   >

   > Rob DuMoulin

   > 904.476.8744

   > [413]rob at dumoulins.net

   > [414]www.kbsi.co

   > [415]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58

   >

   >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Rob Dumoulin <
   [416]rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:

   >>

   >> Not at all.  Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few years
   ago.

   >> Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff.  Always got

   >> synthetic oil changes regular.

   >>

   >> 240K miles and a transmission that will not go into reverse when
   engine

   is

   >> hot was the kicker.  That and the interior is showing age.

   >>

   >> Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still
   glides

   down

   >> the road.

   >>

   >> Rob DuMoulin

   >> 904.476.8744

   >> [417]rob at dumoulins.net

   >> [418]www.kbsi.co

   >> [419]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58

   >>

   >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen <

   >> [420]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:

   >>

   >>> Hmmm,

   >>>

   >>> Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?

   >>>

   >>> /\/\///

   >>>

   >>> -----Original Message-----

   >>> From: DeTomaso [ [421]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
   Of Rob

   >>> Dumoulin

   >>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM

   >>> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List

   >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts

   >>>

   >>> Following Bud's lead,

   >>>

   >>> The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture
   in

   >>> Northwest Florida.  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M rims,
   M

   >>> transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8)
   that I

   >>> have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any
   profit

   he

   >>> makes from it.  He is making it pretty to sell.  Catch it quick
   before

   he

   >>> sinks money into it for a better deal.

   >>>

   >>> Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.  Contact me off
   list

   if

   >>> you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.

   >>>

   >>> Rob

   >>> 904.476.8744

   > -------------- next part --------------

   >   Forgot to add....I have 6 cars.A  I do not need 6 cars.

   >

   >   Rob DuMoulin

   >   904.476.8744

   >  [1] [422]rob at dumoulins.net

   >   [2] [423]www.kbsi.co

   >   [3] [424]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58

   >   On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Rob Dumoulin <[4]
   [425]rob at dumoulins.net>

   >   wrote:

   >

   >   Not at all.A  Cam chain, tensioner, waterpump all changed a few
   years

   >   ago. A

   >   Also, new fan clutch, radiator, belts, and other stuff.A  Always
   got

   >   synthetic oil changes regular.

   >   240K miles and a transmission that will not go into reverse when
   engine

   >   is hot was the kicker.A  That and the interior is showing age.A

   >   Needs two new coil packs and possibly a VANOS sensor but still
   glides

   >   down the road.

   >

   >   Rob DuMoulin

   >   [5]904.476.8744

   >   [6] [426]rob at dumoulins.net

   >   [7] [427]www.kbsi.co

   >   [8] [428]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58

   >   On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Mirril M. McMullen

   >   <[9] [429]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:

   >

   >    Hmmm,

   >     Let me guess, cam chains eating the timing cover?

   >     /\/\///

   >

   >   -----Original Message-----

   >   From: DeTomaso [ [430]mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
   Behalf Of Rob

   >   Dumoulin

   >   Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:26 PM

   >   To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List

   >   Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 2000 BMW 740i Sport for whole or parts

   >   Following Bud's lead,

   >   The finest road car I have ever owned is being put out to pasture
   in

   >   Northwest Florida.A  I've got a 2000 BMW 740i Sport (M body, M
   rims, M

   >   transmission, and M suspension package, but a regular M62 4.4 V8)
   that

   >   I have dropped off at my mechanic and advised him I would split any

   > profit he makes from it.A  He is making it pretty to sell.A  Catch it

   >   quick before he sinks money into it for a better deal.

   >   Buy it whole, or make it worth our time in parts.A  Contact me off
   list

   >   if you want to know what it needs mechanically to be right again.

   >   Rob

   >   [11]904.476.8744

   >

   > References

   >

   >   1. [431]mailto:rob at dumoulins.net

   >   2. [432]http://www.kbsi.co/

   >   3. [433]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58

   >   4. [434]mailto:rob at dumoulins.net

   >   5. tel:904.476.8744

   >   6. [435]mailto:rob at dumoulins.net

   >   7. [436]http://www.kbsi.co/

   >   8. [437]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58

   >   9. [438]mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net

   >  10. [439]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com

   >  11. tel:904.476.8744

   >

   > ------------------------------

   >

   > Message: 25

   > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 18:08:58 +0000 (UTC)

   > From: marshall smith < [440]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>

   > To: 'Tomas Gunnarsson' < [441]guson at home.se>,  <
   [442]gaino at earthlink.net>,

   >    Stephen < [443]steve at snclocks.com>

   > Cc: < [444]detomaso at poca.com>

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   > Message-ID:

   >  <
   [445]819779826.4191306.1452794938797.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>

   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

   >

   > Yikes....I could never trust my E brake on 'this' hill!

   > --------------------------------------------

   > On Wed, 1/13/16, Stephen < [446]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:

   >

   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   > To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" < [447]guson at home.se>,
   [448]gaino at earthlink.net

   > Cc: [449]detomaso at poca.com

   > Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 8:21 AM

   >

   > ???Whilst `inelegant',

   > at least the stock system works well.? I installed

   > ???Wildwoods on the front of the discs and

   > kept the originals on the

   > ???back.? I did have the originals

   > coated black - heck, doesn't look that

   > ???bad.

   >

   >

   > ???Stephen Nelson

   >

   >

   > ???-----Original Message-----

   > ???From: DeTomaso [ [450]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com]

   > On Behalf Of Tomas

   > ???Gunnarsson

   > ???Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:03 AM

   > ???To: [451]gaino at earthlink.net

   > ???Cc: [452]detomaso at poca.com

   > ???Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >

   >

   > ???That's simply not a good solution. Doesn't

   > work as an emergency brake

   > ???and parking brake function is dubious. If

   > you park your car with the

   > ???brakes hot they may release when they cool

   > off.

   >

   > ???Tomas

   >

   >

   > ???<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->

   >

   >

   > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

   > ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

   > ???From: bill gaino [ [453]gaino at earthlink.net]

   >

   > ???Sent: 13/1/2016 4:52:29 PM

   >

   > ???To: [1] [454]detomaso at poca.com

   >

   > ???Subject: [DeTomaso] parking brakes

   >

   >

   > ???Is anybody using a solinoid based parking

   > brake? Something that that

   > ???blocks fluid in the brake lines to hold

   > calipers pressed against the

   > ???rotors. My customer does not want the

   > extra set of E brake calipers..

   >

   > ???like IPSCO offers. Bill 1362

   >

   >

   >

   > ???[2]
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   s&

   > ???fref

   >

   > ???=ts

   >

   > ???If you want it slick.

   > [3] [456]www.slickpaint.comlike us on facebook

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