[DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
Michael Shortt
michaelsavga at gmail.com
Wed Jan 13 16:20:31 EST 2016
none of my wheels are assembled ( fasteners) 3 piece wheels, all are welded
or billet.
I have driven on the wheels on street, on track and on the Tail of the
Dragon and have had zero issues in 12 years with 2 different designs,
not sure who mad ethe current wheels ( 10 spoke ), but they show no signs
of stress, damage either.
It may be my luck, it could be others bad luck, it could be misuse and
driving style.
My Dad owned 3 Audi 5000's, he never had any issues either, maybe because
he never pressed the gas instead of the brake.
Michael Shortt
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com writes:
>
>
>
> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.
> I think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
> unsprung weight for track use?
> dave
>
>
> >>>Interesting. This was apparently a reply to an original post by
> Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it wind up
> in my spam folder?
>
> I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,
> thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies below:
>
>
> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief inventory
> today,
> > I have 21 Campy wheels,
>
> >>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>
>
>
> > 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero Triple
> > Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made for
> Hall
> > Pantera.
>
>
> >>>Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall? He did make
> them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some markedly
> better than others. Can you share some images perhaps to help in
> identification?
>
> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were
> welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
>
> >> And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
>
> >>>What kind of wheels are those? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes they have
> at least. :>)
>
> >
> > I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
> > And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for Rally and
> > Track use.
>
> >>>Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
> wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
> spinner? Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the latter being
> the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever encountered).
>
>
> > I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
> Blackwalls
> > and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos, With a
> spare
> > Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>
> >>>Sounds good!
>
> >
> >> That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of. Sell or
> > Trade. Photos Available.
>
> >>>Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia? What kind are they?
> Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model wheels?
>
> > I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>
> >>>I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life. These were
> an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype. I have no
> idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any other car
> wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very small indeed.
> Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels.
>
> So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels to
> appear. :>)
>
> >I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the Campy
> > Wheel education.
>
> >>>It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about your
> aftermarket wheels. Simply put, I would never wish three-piece Hall wheels
> on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use. We collectively know
> about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and a
> potential accident. Jack has often told of the car that was zorching down
> Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his Hall
> wheel dismantled himself; I believe it thrust the car into the scenery, but
> can't remember that aspect of the story for sure. Jack?
>
> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to sell;
> a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and he had to
> tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked halfway
> around. The other three wheels had similar cracks when they were taken
> apart and inspected.
>
> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall wheel;
> when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the freeway in Los
> Angeles. What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the brake line was
> damaged. MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran the Silver
> State a day or two later, but when he stepped on the brakes at the finish
> line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest was
> history.
>
> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
>
> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were woefully
> under-engineered, and today should be related either to a display case, or
> a recycling bin IMHO....
>
> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as the
> Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with, admittedly) are
> nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
>
> >> Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
> primer,
> > I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to see the
> > final results.
> > Photo attached.
> >
>
> >>>Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
> either....
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mike
>
--
Michael L. Shortt
Savannah, Georgia
www.michaelshortt.com
michael at michaelshortt.com
912-232-9390
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none of my wheels are assembled ( fasteners) 3 piece wheels, all are
welded or billet.
I have driven on the wheels on street, on track and on the Tail of the
Dragon and have had zero issues in 12 years with 2 different designs,
not sure who mad ethe current wheels ( 10 spoke ), but they show no
signs of stress, damage either.
It may be my luck, it could be others bad luck, it could be misuse and
driving style.
My Dad owned 3 Audi 5000's, he never had any issues either, maybe
because he never pressed the gas instead of the brake.
Michael Shortt
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, [2]davel at emspace.com writes:
My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.
I think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
unsprung weight for track use?
dave
>>>Interesting.A This was apparently a reply to an original post by
Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it
wind up in my spam folder?
I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,
thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies
below:
On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:
>A A A Greetings,
>
>A A A After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
inventory today,
>A A A I have 21 Campy wheels,
>>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>A A A 5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
Triple
>A A A Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels
made for Hall
>A A A Pantera.
>>>Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?A He did
make them for several other vendors, in several different styles,
some markedly better than others.A Can you share some images
perhaps to help in identification?
Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were
welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?
>>A A A And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and
245/40.
>>>What kind of wheels are those?A 10 spokes is a pretty vague
descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes
they have at least. :>)
>
>A A A I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
>A A A And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
Rally and
>A A A Track use.
>>>Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake
center spinner?A Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with
the latter being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've
ever encountered).
>A A A I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
Blackwalls
>A A A and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
With a spare
>A A A Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>>>Sounds good!A
>
>>A A A That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose
of. Sell or
>A A A Trade. Photos Available.
>>>Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?A What kind are
they?A Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some
L-model wheels?
>A A A I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>>>I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.A
These were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile
prototype.A I have no idea how many were put into production but
I've never seen any other car wearing them, so I would have to
imagine the number is very small indeed.A Even 1006, the earliest
known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels.
So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot
wheels to appear. :>)
>I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
Campy
>A A A Wheel education.
>>>It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
your aftermarket wheels.A Simply put, I would never wish
three-piece Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for
track use.A We collectively know about multiple failures, which
always led to rapid deflation and a potential accident.A Jack has
often told of the car that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las
Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled
himself; I believe it thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
remember that aspect of the story for sure.A Jack?
Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to
sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!)
and he had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had
cracked halfway around.A The other three wheels had similar cracks
when they were taken apart and inspected.
And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the
freeway in Los Angeles.A What wasn't seen was that during the
collapse, the brake line was damaged.A MD swapped his stock wheels
w/race tires on and ran the Silver State a day or two later, but
when he stepped on the brakes at the finish line, the line ruptured,
fluid sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest was history.
And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were
woefully under-engineered, and today should be related either to a
display case, or a recycling bin IMHO....
So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as
the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,
admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.
>>A A A Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the
green primer,
>A A A I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just
to see the
>A A A final results.
>A A A Photo attached.
>
>>>Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
either....
Cheers!
Mike
--
Michael L. Shortt
Savannah, Georgia
[3]www.michaelshortt.com
[4]michael at michaelshortt.com
912-232-9390
A
This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
privileged.A If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
notified
that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
communication is strictly prohibited.A Please reply to the sender that
you
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