[DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels

[MikeLDrew at aol.com]

In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com writes:


> 
> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.
> I think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
> unsprung weight for track use?
> dave
> 
> 
>>>Interesting.   This was apparently a reply to an original post by 
Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it wind up in my 
spam folder?

I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway, 
thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies below:


> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:
> >     Greetings,
> >
> >     After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief inventory 
> today,
> >     I have 21 Campy wheels,
> 
>>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)



> >     5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero Triple
> >     Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made for 
> Hall
> >     Pantera.
> 

>>>Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?   He did make 
them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some markedly 
better than others.   Can you share some images perhaps to help in 
identification?

Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were welded 
together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?

> >>     And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.
> 
>>>What kind of wheels are those?   10 spokes is a pretty vague 
descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes they have at least. :>
)

> >
> >     I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
> >     And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for Rally and
> >     Track use.
> 
>>>Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall wheels 
which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake center spinner?   
Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the latter being the only 
genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever encountered).


> >     I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny 
> Blackwalls
> >     and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos, With a 
> spare
> >     Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
> 
>>>Sounds good!   
> >
> >>     That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of. Sell 
> or
> >     Trade. Photos Available.
> 
>>>Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?   What kind are they?   
Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model wheels?

> >     I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
> 
>>>I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.   These were 
an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.   I have no 
idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any other car 
wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very small indeed.   Even 
1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had single slot wheels.

So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels to 
appear. :>)

> >I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the Campy
> >     Wheel education.
> 
>>>It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about your 
aftermarket wheels.   Simply put, I would never wish three-piece Hall wheels 
on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.   We collectively know 
about multiple failures, which always led to rapid deflation and a potential 
accident.   Jack has often told of the car that was zorching down Mt. Ch
arleston in Las Vegas at triple digit speeds one year when his Hall wheel 
dismantled himself; I believe it thrust the car into the scenery, but can't 
remember that aspect of the story for sure.   Jack?

Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to sell; 
a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and he had to 
tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked halfway around.  
 The other three wheels had similar cracks when they were taken apart and 
inspected.

And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall wheel; 
when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the freeway in Los 
Angeles.   What wasn't seen was that during the collapse, the brake line was 
damaged.   MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires on and ran the Silver 
State a day or two later, but when he stepped on the brakes at the finish 
line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto the exhaust and the rest was 
history.

And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.

Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were woefully 
under-engineered, and today should be related either to a display case, or a 
recycling bin IMHO....

So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as the 
Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with, admittedly) are 
nothing like these Hall wheels at all.

> >>     Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green 
> primer,
> >     I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to see 
> the
> >     final results.
> >     Photo attached.
> >
> 
>>>Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo 
either....

Cheers!

Mike
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   In a message dated 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com writes:

     My 17" Hall wheels are a lot heavier than the mags.
     I think that's fine for street, but aren't you concerned about the
     unsprung weight for track use?
     dave

   >>>Interesting.  This was apparently a reply to an original post by
   Michael Shortt, but that post never came through to me nor did it wind
   up in my spam folder?
   I'm noting some irregularities with the forum these days....anyway,
   thankfully Dave included Michael's original post, so see replies below:

     On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:
     >     Greetings,
     >
     >     After gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
     inventory today,
     >     I have 21 Campy wheels,

   >>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)

     >     5 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
     Triple
     >     Slots ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
     for Hall
     >     Pantera.

   >>>Uh, I don't think Coddington every made wheels for Hall?  He did
   make them for several other vendors, in several different styles, some
   markedly better than others.  Can you share some images perhaps to help
   in identification?
   Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke Si-looking wheels that were
   welded together, and perhaps Coddington was the source for those?

     >>     And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with 335/35 and 245/40.

   >>>What kind of wheels are those?  10 spokes is a pretty vague
   descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty certain how many spokes they
   have at least. :>)

     >
     >     I am keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
     >     And one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
     Rally and
     >     Track use.

   >>>Wait--are you talking about Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
   wheels which are three-piece, bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
   spinner?  Those are as different as chalk and cheese (with the latter
   being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous wheels I've ever
   encountered).

     >     I will be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
     Blackwalls
     >     and a set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
     With a spare
     >     Front and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.

   >>>Sounds good!

     >
     >>     That leaves 2 full sets of double slot wheels to dispose of.
     Sell or
     >     Trade. Photos Available.

   >>>Somebody just asked for a set--Guy Dellavecchia?  What kind are
   they?  Guy might want to trade his '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
   wheels?

     >     I'd love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?

   >>>I have only ever seen two of them (separately) in my life.  These
   were an experimental wheel used on the first pushmobile prototype.  I
   have no idea how many were put into production but I've never seen any
   other car wearing them, so I would have to imagine the number is very
   small indeed.  Even 1006, the earliest known Pantera extant, had single
   slot wheels.
   So don't hold your breath waiting for a full set of three-slot wheels
   to appear. :>)

     >I will sort them this week by design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
     Campy
     >     Wheel education.

   >>>It's my pleasure, but at this point I'm far more concerned about
   your aftermarket wheels.  Simply put, I would never wish three-piece
   Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and especially not for track use.  We
   collectively know about multiple failures, which always led to rapid
   deflation and a potential accident.  Jack has often told of the car
   that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in Las Vegas at triple digit
   speeds one year when his Hall wheel dismantled himself; I believe it
   thrust the car into the scenery, but can't remember that aspect of the
   story for sure.  Jack?
   Larry Stock had a car on the grass at Concorso that he was trying to
   sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while the car was parked (!) and
   he had to tow it back to Nevada as it couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
   halfway around.  The other three wheels had similar cracks when they
   were taken apart and inspected.
   And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused by the failure of his Hall
   wheel; when the left rear wheel failed, the car fell down onto the
   freeway in Los Angeles.  What wasn't seen was that during the collapse,
   the brake line was damaged.  MD swapped his stock wheels w/race tires
   on and ran the Silver State a day or two later, but when he stepped on
   the brakes at the finish line, the line ruptured, fluid sprayed onto
   the exhaust and the rest was history.
   And on and on and on...I'm sure there are many others.
   Those wheels were a very well-intentioned design but they were woefully
   under-engineered, and today should be related either to a display case,
   or a recycling bin IMHO....
   So tell me exactly what kind of wheels you're talking about here, as
   the Coddington wheels (which I have aesthetic problems with,
   admittedly) are nothing like these Hall wheels at all.

     >>     Just let a local guy soda blast two of them down to the green
     primer,
     >     I'll probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
     see the
     >     final results.
     >     Photo attached.
     >

   >>>Since I didn't get your original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
   either....
   Cheers!
   Mike