[DeTomaso] Gas Tank removal
Konrad Szwab
kszwab at gmail.com
Fri Jan 8 22:19:40 EST 2016
(thinks of potential Romanian quick gas tank fix to car): bucket full of
gas dangling on the luggage rack, drawing fuel via mechanical pump powered
by pedals/chain drive used by passenger. Teamwork.
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Kirby Schrader <kirbyschrader at mac.com>
wrote:
> Bill,
>
> That would have been a solution.
>
> The race car has a custom fuel tank that CAN be removed via the left rear
> wheel well.
> You just have to remove the suspension. Much easier than the ‘remove
> engine and transmission’ route.
>
> We/Dylan were on a budget. Result?
> Fuel cell too expensive….
> Cutting firewall… cheap. Just Dad’s labor involved.
> Effectively free….
>
> Good suggestion, though!
>
> FWIW,
> Kirby
>
> > On Jan 8, 2016, at 18:49, Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > But, Kirby, why not a bladder - surely that crossed you'll's minds!
> BILL Lewis
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Kirby Schrader <
> kirbyschrader at mac.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 11:47 PM
> > To: cengles at cox.net
> > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Gas Tank removal
> >
> >> On Jan 8, 2016, at 10:53, cengles at cox.net wrote:
> >> May explanation for Kirby's approach is that 1) I suspect that Kirby
> rewelded things better than the car left Modena
> >
> > Well, that can be argued, but I did get it fully welded and buttoned up.
> Will Kooiman showed me a different technique than I was using. The metal in
> the Pantera is not known for its ‘fortitude’ and I had a hell of a time
> getting my MIG to weld it nicely. I need to get a TIG and practice more.
> Regardless, it is welded up and I have no qualms about it coming loose or
> causing havoc.
> >
> >> and 2) the Dylan car has the added reinforcement of the aforementioned
> rollcage. It is a different situation than a normal Pantera.
> > This is very true. The roll cage is actually welded into the firewall,
> so I don’t think there’s an issue.
> >
> > Why did I do it this way?
> > Well… as Dylan explained in the article, we did argue the point for
> awhile. Well, maybe you could call it a very loud discussion?
> >
> > Cutting the sheet metal of the body was NOT an option. After all, lots
> of $$$ had been spent on getting that very nice paint job on the car.
> > So, the last resort was what we went with. I took a angle grinder with a
> cutting disc and went after it.
> > It all worked out well, but I hope I am not around the day the fuel tank
> has a leak.
> > :-)
> >
> > The tank was cleaned, painted and ‘sloshed’, so I don’t think there’s a
> problem in my lifetime or Dylan’s.
> >
> > There ya’ are….
> > The explanation.
> >
> > FWIW,
> > Kirby
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I am sure that Kirby can provide his own rationale.
> >>
> >>
> >> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Sean Korb wrote:
> >>
> >>> A little off the rails here but I think I've got the right people in
> the
> >>> room :) It doesn't matter if you have a roll cage in your car anyway,
> but
> >>> is the bulkhead a stressed member? It's got that big hole in the
> middle
> >>> for engine access but do more big holes cause a problem or does the
> >>> framework around the bulkhead take up the slack? It's kind of a weird
> >>> question to ask too since the chassis looks like two rickshaws glued
> to a
> >>> tub.
> >>>
> >>> sean
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 9:44 AM, <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Dear Kirby,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course! Less sophisticated "craftsmen" have taken
> >>>> another approach to the The Shortest Distance to the Gas Tank by going
> >>>> through the sheet metal of the actual body behind the driver's door.
> This
> >>>> is known as the Billy Bob or Lonny Lunchmeat Approach. This is
> certainly
> >>>> frowned upon and your "out of the box" solution to your conundrum of
> the
> >>>> gas tank installation was a typical flash of genius.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:09 AM, Kirby Schrader wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Oh my....
> >>>>> The 'Schrader approach'?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone 6+
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Jan 8, 2016, at 07:03, cengles at cox.net wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dear Owen,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yes, you must remove the drive train unless you care to
> >>>>>> use the Schrader approach and cut out the firewall behind the
> driver's seat
> >>>>>> to remove the gas tank from the front.....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bad news with the standard approach: You have to remove
> >>>>>> the drive train
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Good news with the standard approach: the gas tank
> >>>>>> removal is remarkably easy with the engine out of the way
> >>>>>> you'll have access to that nook and cranny
> >>>>>> you'll have even better access to the engine bay for your complete
> >>>>>> rustproofing and other modifications
> >>>>>> you'll have your engine out and accessible for cleaning, fixing and
> >>>>>> modifications including rebuilding
> >>>>>> you'll have your ZF out and accessible for cleaning and fixing
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 4:41 AM, Owen Cooke wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello Pantera guys
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am finishing off rustproofing a Pantera i bought recently but i
> am
> >>>>>>> concerned about the gas tank
> >>>>>>> i would like to take it out and deal with the areas behind it as
> this
> >>>>>>> is the only piece of the car not reworked by me
> >>>>>>> i am also concerned baout the tank itself
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> what i want to know is - can the tank be removed with the engine in
> >>>>>>> place
> >>>>>>> or would i have to take out the engine and or the suspension ??
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> your advice would be appreciated
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> best regards owen cooke dublin
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>" <
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> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:54 AM, David <adin at frontier.net<mailto:
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> >>>>>>>> Jeff, 14 of these cars were made. Contemporary to the 330GTC, it
> >>>>>>>> featured pop up driving lights. That must have been bugly!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> David
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> >>>>>>>> Sent from my little handheld gizmo.
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> >>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Jeff Detrich <[1]
> jjdetrich at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>> <mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Check out the nose of the Ferrari. I wonder what the circles are
> >>>>>>>> for?
> >>>>>>>> They are cutouts for something.
> >>>>>>>> Jeff
> >>>>>>>> 6559
> >>>>>>>> <image.png>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:52 PM, David <[2]adin at frontier.net
> >>>>>>>> <mailto:adin at frontier.net>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Interesting article. Wish I could sit down with Tom for a
> quiet
> >>>>>>>> hour
> >>>>>>>> and yak about this stuff. Enjoy.
> >>>>>>>> [3]http://www.velocetoday.com/tom-tjaarda-on-creativity/
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> >>>>>>>> To: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>, Bill Moore
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> >>>>>>>> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>, L GRAY <
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> >>>>>>>> ? Savannah, Georgia
> >>>>>>>> ? [19]www.michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>> ? [20]michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>> ? 912-232-9390
> >>>>>>>> ? A
> >>>>>>>> ? This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
> >>>>>>>> ? Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be
> legally
> >>>>>>>> ? privileged.A? If you are not the intended recipient, you are
> hereby
> >>>>>>>> ? notified
> >>>>>>>> ? that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of
> this
> >>>>>>>> ? communication is strictly prohibited.A? Please reply to the
> sender
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> ? you
> >>>>>>>> ? have received this message in error, then delete it.A? Thank you
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> References
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ? 1. mailto:bill at incendium.com
> >>>>>>>> ? 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> >>>>>>>> ? 3. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
> >>>>>>>> ? 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >>>>>>>> ? 5. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
> >>>>>>>> ? 6. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>> ? 7. tel:1%20-872-240-3311
> >>>>>>>> ? 8. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>>>>>> ? 9. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>> ? 10. tel:912-232-9390
> >>>>>>>> ? 11. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>>>>>> ? 12. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>> ? 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >>>>>>>> ? 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>>>>>> ? 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >>>>>>>> ? 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>>>>>> ? 17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >>>>>>>> ? 18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>>>>>> ? 19. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>>>>>> ? 20. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -------------- next part --------------
> >>>>>>>> I am not sure why I was copied on this email. I have not been on
> the
> >>>>>>>> board for a few years.
> >>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>> Scott Black
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration
> >>>>>>>> www.tprm-usa.com
> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:46 PM, Michael Shortt
> >>>>>>>> <michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> yes, on posted minutes
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Bill Moore <[1][1]
> >>>>>>>> bill at incendium.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> I'm in listening, no problem getting in.
> >>>>>>>> Will there be posted minutes after the meeting ?
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2][2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of
> >>>>>>>> Ray
> >>>>>>>> Pascarella
> >>>>>>>> Sent: January-05-16 7:21 PM
> >>>>>>>> To: L GRAY <[3][3]tipo874a at msn.com>
> >>>>>>>> Cc: [4][4]detomaso at poca.com
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
> >>>>>>>> Worked fine for me.
> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, L GRAY <[5][5]tipo874a at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I keep getting a recording that "this phone number is not in
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> service"
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> A A A Checked info two times with same result........anybody
> else
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> get this
> >>>>>>>> recording?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Leslie A. Gray
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Michael Shortt
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> <[6][6]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> A [7]1 -872-240-3311
> >>>>>>>>>> A Code A 968-849-333
> >>>>>>>>>> A --
> >>>>>>>>>> A Michael L. Shortt
> >>>>>>>>>> A Savannah, Georgia
> >>>>>>>>>> A [1][8]www.michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>>>> A [2][9][7]michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>>>> A [10]912-232-9390
> >>>>>>>>>> A A
> >>>>>>>>>> A This email is protected by the Electronic Communications
> Privacy
> >>>>>>>>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be
> legally
> >>>>>>>>>> privileged.AA If you are not the intended recipient, you are
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> hereby
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> notifiedA that any retention, dissemination, distribution or
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> copying
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> of thisA communication is strictly prohibited.AA Please reply
> to
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> sender thatA youA have received this message in error, then
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> delete
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> it.AA Thank you
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> References
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> A 1. [11][8]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>>>>>>>> A 2. mailto:[12][9]michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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> list
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
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> >>>>>>>>> etc.) use
> >>>>>>>> the links above.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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> list
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> >>>>>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
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> >>>>>>>> use
> >>>>>>>> the links above.
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> >>>>>>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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> >>>>>>>> [17][14]DeTomaso at poca.com
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> >>>>>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
> >>>>>>>> etc.)
> >>>>>>>> use the links above.
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Michael L. Shortt
> >>>>>>>> Savannah, Georgia
> >>>>>>>> [19]www.michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>> [20][16]michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>> 912-232-9390
> >>>>>>>> A
> >>>>>>>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications
> Privacy
> >>>>>>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be
> legally
> >>>>>>>> privileged.A If you are not the intended recipient, you are
> >>>>>>>> hereby
> >>>>>>>> notified
> >>>>>>>> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of
> this
> >>>>>>>> communication is strictly prohibited.A Please reply to the
> sender
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>> have received this message in error, then delete it.A Thank
> you
> >>>>>>>> References
> >>>>>>>> 1. mailto:[17]bill at incendium.com
> >>>>>>>> 2. mailto:[18]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 3. mailto:[19]tipo874a at msn.com
> >>>>>>>> 4. mailto:[20]detomaso at poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 5. mailto:[21]tipo874a at msn.com
> >>>>>>>> 6. mailto:[22]michaelsavga at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>> 7. tel:1%20-872-240-3311
> >>>>>>>> 8. [23]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>>>>>> 9. mailto:[24]michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>> 10. tel:912-232-9390
> >>>>>>>> 11. [25]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>>>>>> 12. mailto:[26]michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>> 13. mailto:[27]DeTomaso at poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 14. [28]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 15. mailto:[29]DeTomaso at poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 16. [30]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 17. mailto:[31]DeTomaso at poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 18. [32]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 19. [33]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>>>>>> 20. mailto:[34]michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
> >>>>>>>> etc.)
> >>>>>>>> use the links above.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> References
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 1. mailto:bill at incendium.com
> >>>>>>>> 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 3. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
> >>>>>>>> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 5. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
> >>>>>>>> 6. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>> 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>> 8. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>>>>>> 9. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>> 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 16. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>> 17. mailto:bill at incendium.com
> >>>>>>>> 18. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 19. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
> >>>>>>>> 20. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 21. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
> >>>>>>>> 22. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>> 23. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>>>>>> 24. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>> 25. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>>>>>> 26. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>> 27. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 28. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 29. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 30. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 31. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 32. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 33. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>>>>>> 34. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>> 35. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >>>>>>>> 36. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Message: 3
> >>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 15:07:40 -0500
> >>>>>>>> From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> To: scott black <timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>
> >>>>>>>> Cc: Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
> >>>>>>>> <detomaso at poca.com>, L GRAY <tipo874a at msn.com>
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
> >>>>>>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> <CAEWtxWpCZzt-0o++-voUs6BbbF=
> bKzfqscK09A1C-WS0GhewtQ at mail.gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I sent it to the forum Scott,
> >>>>>>>> there are no secrets any more.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I will be keeping the membership informed.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Michael Shortt
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:56 PM, scott black <
> timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I am not sure why I was copied on this email. I have not been on
> the
> >>>>>>>>> board
> >>>>>>>>> for a few years.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Scott Black
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration
> >>>>>>>>> www.tprm-usa.com
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:46 PM, Michael Shortt <
> >>>>>>>>> michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> yes, on posted minutes
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Bill Moore <[1]
> bill at incendium.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'm in listening, no problem getting in.
> >>>>>>>>> Will there be posted minutes after the meeting ?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >>>>>>>>> Ray
> >>>>>>>>> Pascarella
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: January-05-16 7:21 PM
> >>>>>>>>> To: L GRAY <[3]tipo874a at msn.com>
> >>>>>>>>> Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
> >>>>>>>>> Worked fine for me.
> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, L GRAY <[5]tipo874a at msn.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I keep getting a recording that "this phone number is not in
> service"
> >>>>>>>>>> A A A Checked info two times with same result........anybody
> else
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> get this
> >>>>>>>>> recording?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Leslie A. Gray
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Michael Shortt
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> <[6]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> A [7]1 -872-240-3311
> >>>>>>>>>>> A Code A 968-849-333
> >>>>>>>>>>> A --
> >>>>>>>>>>> A Michael L. Shortt
> >>>>>>>>>>> A Savannah, Georgia
> >>>>>>>>>>> A [1][8]www.michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>>>>> A [2][9]michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>>>>> A [10]912-232-9390
> >>>>>>>>>>> A A
> >>>>>>>>>>> A This email is protected by the Electronic Communications
> Privacy
> >>>>>>>>>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be
> legally
> >>>>>>>>>>> privileged.AA If you are not the intended recipient, you are
> hereby
> >>>>>>>>>>> notifiedA that any retention, dissemination, distribution or
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> copying
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> of thisA communication is strictly prohibited.AA Please reply
> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> sender thatA youA have received this message in error, then
> delete
> >>>>>>>>>>> it.AA Thank you
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> References
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> A 1. [11]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>>>>>>>>> A 2. mailto:[12]michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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> list
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> etc.) use
> >>>>>>>>> the links above.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
> >>>>>>>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list
> >>>>>>>>> [15]DeTomaso at poca.com
> >>>>>>>>> [16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>>>>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
> >>>>>>>>> etc.)
> >>>>>>>>> use
> >>>>>>>>> the links above.
> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>>>>> DeTomaso mailing list
> >>>>>>>>> [17]DeTomaso at poca.com
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> >>>>>>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
> >>>>>>>>> etc.)
> >>>>>>>>> use the links above.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Michael L. Shortt
> >>>>>>>>> Savannah, Georgia
> >>>>>>>>> [19]www.michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>>> [20]michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>>> 912-232-9390
> >>>>>>>>> A
> >>>>>>>>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
> >>>>>>>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
> >>>>>>>>> privileged.A If you are not the intended recipient, you are
> hereby
> >>>>>>>>> notified
> >>>>>>>>> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of
> this
> >>>>>>>>> communication is strictly prohibited.A Please reply to the
> sender
> >>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>> have received this message in error, then delete it.A Thank you
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> References
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 1. mailto:bill at incendium.com
> >>>>>>>>> 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> >>>>>>>>> 3. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
> >>>>>>>>> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> >>>>>>>>> 5. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
> >>>>>>>>> 6. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>> 7. tel:1%20-872-240-3311
> >>>>>>>>> 8. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>>>>>>> 9. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>>> 10. tel:912-232-9390
> >>>>>>>>> 11. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>>>>>>> 12. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>>> 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >>>>>>>>> 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>>>>>>> 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >>>>>>>>> 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>>>>>>> 17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >>>>>>>>> 18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>>>>>>> 19. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>>>>>>> 20. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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> etc.)
> >>>>>>>>> use
> >>>>>>>>> the links above.
> >>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>
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> use
> >>>> the links above.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org
> >>> '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera
> #1382
> >>> "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
> >>> "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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(thinks of potential Romanian quick gas tank fix to car): bucket full
of gas dangling on the luggage rack, drawing fuel via mechanical pump
powered by pedals/chain drive used by passenger. Teamwork.
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Kirby Schrader
<[1]kirbyschrader at mac.com> wrote:
Bill,
That would have been a solution.
The race car has a custom fuel tank that CAN be removed via the left
rear wheel well.
You just have to remove the suspension. Much easier than the aremove
engine and transmissiona route.
We/Dylan were on a budget. Result?
Fuel cell too expensivea|.
Cutting firewalla| cheap. Just Dadas labor involved.
Effectively freea|.
Good suggestion, though!
FWIW,
Kirby
> On Jan 8, 2016, at 18:49, Bill Lewis <[2]lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> But, Kirby, why not a bladder - surely that crossed you'll's
minds!A A A BILL Lewis
>
> ________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Kirby
Schrader <[4]kirbyschrader at mac.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 11:47 PM
> To: [5]cengles at cox.net
> Cc: [6]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Gas Tank removal
>
>> On Jan 8, 2016, at 10:53, [7]cengles at cox.net wrote:
>> May explanation for Kirby's approach is that 1) I suspect that
Kirby rewelded things better than the car left Modena
>
> Well, that can be argued, but I did get it fully welded and
buttoned up. Will Kooiman showed me a different technique than I was
using. The metal in the Pantera is not known for its afortitudea and
I had a hell of a time getting my MIG to weld it nicely. I need to
get a TIG and practice more. Regardless, it is welded up and I have
no qualms about it coming loose or causing havoc.
>
>> and 2) the Dylan car has the added reinforcement of the
aforementioned rollcage.A It is a different situation than a normal
Pantera.
> This is very true. The roll cage is actually welded into the
firewall, so I donat think thereas an issue.
>
> Why did I do it this way?
> Wella| as Dylan explained in the article, we did argue the point
for awhile. Well, maybe you could call it a very loud discussion?
>
> Cutting the sheet metal of the body was NOT an option. After all,
lots of $$$ had been spent on getting that very nice paint job on
the car.
> So, the last resort was what we went with. I took a angle grinder
with a cutting disc and went after it.
> It all worked out well, but I hope I am not around the day the
fuel tank has a leak.
> :-)
>
> The tank was cleaned, painted and aslosheda, so I donat think
thereas a problem in my lifetime or Dylanas.
>
> There yaa area|.
> The explanation.
>
> FWIW,
> Kirby
>
>
>>
>>
>>A A A A A A I am sure that Kirby can provide his own
rationale.
>>
>>
>>A A A A A A A A A A A A Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Sean Korb wrote:
>>
>>> A little off the rails here but I think I've got the right
people in the
>>> room :)A It doesn't matter if you have a roll cage in your car
anyway, but
>>> is the bulkhead a stressed member?A It's got that big hole in
the middle
>>> for engine access but do more big holes cause a problem or does
the
>>> framework around the bulkhead take up the slack?A It's kind of
a weird
>>> question to ask too since the chassis looks like two rickshaws
glued to a
>>> tub.
>>>
>>> sean
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 9:44 AM, <[8]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Kirby,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>A A A A A A A Of course!A A Less sophisticated
"craftsmen" have taken
>>>> another approach to the The Shortest Distance to the Gas Tank
by going
>>>> through the sheet metal of the actual body behind the driver's
door. This
>>>> is known as the Billy Bob or Lonny Lunchmeat Approach.A This
is certainly
>>>> frowned upon and your "out of the box" solution to your
conundrum of the
>>>> gas tank installation was a typical flash of genius.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Warmest regards, Chuck
Engles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:09 AM, Kirby Schrader wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Oh my....
>>>>> The 'Schrader approach'?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 6+
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 8, 2016, at 07:03, [9]cengles at cox.net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Owen,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A A A A A A A Yes, you must remove the drive train
unless you care to
>>>>>> use the Schrader approach and cut out the firewall behind the
driver's seat
>>>>>> to remove the gas tank from the front.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A A A A A A A Bad news with the standard approach: You
have to remove
>>>>>> the drive train
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A A A A A A A Good news with the standard approach: the
gas tank
>>>>>> removal is remarkably easy with the engine out of the way
>>>>>> you'll have access to that nook and cranny
>>>>>> you'll have even better access to the engine bay for your
complete
>>>>>> rustproofing and other modifications
>>>>>> you'll have your engine out and accessible for cleaning,
fixing and
>>>>>> modifications including rebuilding
>>>>>> you'll have your ZF out and accessible for cleaning and
fixing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A Warmest regards, Chuck
Engles
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 4:41 AM, Owen Cooke wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Pantera guys
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am finishing off rustproofing a Pantera i bought recently
but i am
>>>>>>> concerned about the gas tank
>>>>>>> i would like to take it out and deal with the areas behind
it as this
>>>>>>> is the onlyA piece of the car not reworked by me
>>>>>>> i am also concerned baout the tank itself
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> what i want to know is - can the tank be removed with the
engine in
>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>> or would i have to take out the engine and or the suspension
??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> your advice would be appreciated
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> best regards owen cooke dublin
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>A 1. Re: Tom Tjaarda on Creativity (Larry - Ohio Time)
>>>>>>>>A 2. Re: 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call (scott black)
>>>>>>>>A 3. Re: 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call (Michael Shortt)
>>>>>>>>A 4. More Anti-Footbal Pics, comments, was Re:A Anti
Football Run
>>>>>>>>A A A (Guido deTomaso)
>>>>>>>>A 5. Fwd: DeTomaso post from [15]michaelsavga at gmail.com
requires
>>>>>>>>A A A approval (Michael Shortt)
>>>>>>>>A 6. Re: Gray makes the grade! (Tomas Gunnarsson)
>>>>>>>>A 7. 2016 Jan POCA BOD Meeting (Michael Shortt)
>>>>>>>>A 8. Re: Fwd: DeTomaso post from [16]michaelsavga at gmail.com
requires
>>>>>>>>A A A approval (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
>>>>>>>>A 9. Panteras at Le Mans Classic (davek)
>>>>>>>> 10. Re: Congratulations (Mike Thomas)
>>>>>>>> 11. Re: Congratulations (Mike Reilly)
>>>>>>>> 12. Re: More Anti-Footbal Pics, comments,A A was Re:A
Anti Football
>>>>>>>>A A A Run ([17]MikeLDrew at aol.com)
>>>>>>>> 13. Re: Gray makes the grade! ([18]MikeLDrew at aol.com)
>>>>>>>> 14. Re: More Anti-Footbal Pics, comments, was Re: Anti
Football
>>>>>>>>A A A Run (Michael Shortt)
>>>>>>>> 15. Re: More Anti-Footbal Pics, comments,A A was Re: Anti
Football
>>>>>>>>A A A Run ([19]MikeLDrew at aol.com)
>>>>>>>> 16. Re: Tom Tjaarda on Creativity (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
>>>>>>>> 17. POCA mart (Paul A Rimov)
>>>>>>>> 18. Re: Congratulations (Michael Haney)
>>>>>>>> 19. Wheels and Tires, was Re:A More Anti-Footbal Pics,
comments,
>>>>>>>>A A A was Re: Anti Football Run (Guido deTomaso)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 14:07:26 -0500
>>>>>>>> From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <[20]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "'Himes, Terry \(397C\)'"
<[21]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>>>>>>>> Cc: "'Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List'"
<[22]detomaso at poca.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <1E0F81F4FDBB4E17880A6361501BDFB0 at LarryHPPC>
>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;A A charset="UTF-8"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> << criticized for putting too much sex into his fiction >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is that even possible??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Larry (may as well read about it) - Cleveland
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
Behalf Of Himes,
>>>>>>>> Terry (397C)
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 12:08 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; 'Michael Shortt'
>>>>>>>> Cc: [24]detomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He should just give the narration and someone else could
write it?
>>>>>>>> Called collaboration.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gentry Lee (JPL) did this with Arthur C. Clark on several
books. Also
>>>>>>>> collaborated with Carl Sagan's 1980 COSMOS.
>>>>>>>> Gentry is a VERY colorful character here on lab.A Highly
criticized
>>>>>>>> for putting too much sex into his fiction.
>>>>>>>> I think he has been married 7 times and has 8 childrenA
(or is it
>>>>>>>> married 8 times with 7 children. ;-)A All boys.
>>>>>>>> Working with him is a hoot.A A 2 beer story.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
>>>>>>>> exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has
tried
>>>>>>>> to contact us!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Terry W. Himes
>>>>>>>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>>>>>>>> InSight Sequence Team Lead
>>>>>>>> Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
>>>>>>>> Phone: [25](818) 393-6261
>>>>>>>> Cell:A A A [26](818) 653-8213
>>>>>>>> Fax:A A A [27](818) 393-3147
>>>>>>>> [28]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:[29]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>>>>>>>> ??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: DeTomaso <[30]detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:
>>>>>>>> [31]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on behalf of "Joseph F.
Byrd, Jr." <
>>>>>>>>
[32]byrdjf at embarqmail.com<mailto:[33]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 8:40 AM
>>>>>>>> To: 'Michael Shortt' <[34]michaelsavga at gmail.com<mailto:
>>>>>>>> [35]michaelsavga at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> Cc: "[36]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[37]detomaso at poca.com>"
<[38]detomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:[39]detomaso at poca.com>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trying to compose my thoughts on the review of the recent
released
>>>>>>>> deTomaso book, I was trying to figure out how to express
the desire for a
>>>>>>>> book not documenting the people that are responsible for
the Pantera, but
>>>>>>>> could a book be about the development of the Pantera
detailing the work of
>>>>>>>> those people, more of an technical/engineering/design
documentation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then reading the stories of meetings with Tom Tjaarda and
how much he
>>>>>>>> enjoys sharing the details of his work, I realized the only
one that could
>>>>>>>> write a book that would be of a highly technical aspect
would be T
>>>>>>>> Tjaarda.A If he would undertake such a task, I would hope
he could gather
>>>>>>>> the recollection of the engineers he worked with.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was also thinking if I attend Hilton Head event, what
?item? would I
>>>>>>>> want personalized by Tjaarda.A I would think a
reproduction of one of the
>>>>>>>> construction drawings during the design would be my most
lusted after.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could POCA ask if he would?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe in NC/5177
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[40]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> Michael Shortt
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 10:17 AM
>>>>>>>> To: David; Jeff Cobb
>>>>>>>> Cc: [41]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[42]detomaso at poca.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good Morning,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tom has accepted my invitation to be a Special Guest Judge
at the 2016
>>>>>>>> Hiltion Head Island Motoring Festival and Concours.
>>>>>>>> He will be hosting and judging a special Detomaso exhibit
on Saturday
>>>>>>>> and be a Special Guest Judge on Sunday at the Concours.
>>>>>>>> Additionally, he has agreed to come one week early and
attend the
>>>>>>>> Speed Classic races as my guest.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will be seeking supreme examples of all Detomaso cars, we
are
>>>>>>>> limited to 12.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would like a authentic factory racer, a GT5-S, a Targa,
GTS, Pre L,
>>>>>>>> L, L GTS, Deauville, Longchamp, Vallelunga and a Isis Race
car.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The concours dates are November 5 and 6
>>>>>>>> the spped classic will be Oct 28,29 and 30.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I can arrange enough Pantera Race cars, we will also
have an
>>>>>>>> opportunity for a sprint race each day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> additionally, I have invited the Aston Martin Lagonda, Fiat
124 and MB
>>>>>>>> Pagoda owners to attend the car corral on Saturday, Oct
29th during the
>>>>>>>> speed classic,A I will be extending this offer to all
Detomaso owners as
>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>> Drive your aforementioned car and get into the race for
free that day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Savannah is lovely in fall, if you can attend, please do,
when the new
>>>>>>>> website is up, we will post a registration area.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you have a car suitable for the concours, please send
info and lots
>>>>>>>> of photos to me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Shortt
>>>>>>>> President
>>>>>>>> POCA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:54 AM, David
<[43]adin at frontier.net<mailto:
>>>>>>>> [44]adin at frontier.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>A A Jeff, 14 of these cars were made. Contemporary to the
330GTC, it
>>>>>>>>A A featured pop up driving lights. That must have been
bugly!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>A A Cheers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>A A David
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>A A Sent from my little handheld gizmo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>A A On Jan 5, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Jeff Detrich
<[1][45]jjdetrich at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:[46]jjdetrich at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>A A wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>A A Check out the nose of the Ferrari. I wonder what the
circles are
>>>>>>>> for?
>>>>>>>>A A They are cutouts for something.
>>>>>>>>A A Jeff
>>>>>>>>A A 6559
>>>>>>>>A A <image.png>
>>>>>>>>A A On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:52 PM, David
<[2][47]adin at frontier.net
>>>>>>>> <mailto:[48]adin at frontier.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>A A A Interesting article. Wish I could sit down with Tom
for a quiet
>>>>>>>> hour
>>>>>>>>A A A and yak about this stuff. Enjoy.
>>>>>>>>A A
A [3][49]http://www.velocetoday.com/tom-tjaarda-on-creativity/
>>>>>>>>A A A Sent from my little handheld gizmo.
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael L. Shortt
>>>>>>>> Savannah, Georgia
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>>>>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 19:56:32 +0000 (UTC)
>>>>>>>> From: scott black <[68]timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> To: Michael Shortt <[69]michaelsavga at gmail.com>, Bill Moore
>>>>>>>>A <[70]bill at incendium.com>
>>>>>>>> Cc: "[71]detomaso at poca.com" <[72]detomaso at poca.com>, L GRAY
<[73]tipo874a at msn.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
>>>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>>>>
<[74]1503538904.927401.1452110192674.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not sure why I was copied on this email. I have not
been on the
>>>>>>>> board for a few years.
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Scott Black
>>>>>>>> ?TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing
Acceleration
>>>>>>>> [75]www.tprm-usa.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>A A On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:46 PM, Michael Shortt <
>>>>>>>> [76]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ? yes, on posted minutes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ? On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Bill Moore
<[1][77]bill at incendium.com>
>>>>>>>> ? wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ? ? I'm in listening, no problem getting in.
>>>>>>>> ? ? Will there be posted minutes after the meeting ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ? -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> ? From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2][78]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>>> ? Pascarella
>>>>>>>> ? Sent: January-05-16 7:21 PM
>>>>>>>> ? To: L GRAY <[3][79]tipo874a at msn.com>
>>>>>>>> ? Cc: [4][80]detomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>> ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
>>>>>>>> ? Worked fine for me.
>>>>>>>> ? Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>> ? > On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, L GRAY
<[5][81]tipo874a at msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> ? >
>>>>>>>> ? > I keep getting a recording that "this phone number is
not in
>>>>>>>> service"
>>>>>>>> ? >A? A? A Checked info two times with same
result........anybody else
>>>>>>>> ? get this
>>>>>>>> ? recording?
>>>>>>>> ? >
>>>>>>>> ? > Leslie A. Gray
>>>>>>>> ? >
>>>>>>>> ? >> On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Michael Shortt
>>>>>>>> ? <[6][82]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> ? wrote:
>>>>>>>> ? >>
>>>>>>>> ? >>A? [7]1 -[83]872-240-3311
>>>>>>>> ? >>A? Code A 968-849-333
>>>>>>>> ? >>A? --
>>>>>>>> ? >>A? Michael L. Shortt
>>>>>>>> ? >>A? Savannah, Georgia
>>>>>>>> ? >>A? [1][8][84]www.michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>> ? >>A? [2][9][85]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>> ? >>A? [10]912-232-9390
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>>>>>>>>A I am not sure why I was copied on this email. I have not
been on the
>>>>>>>>A board for a few years.
>>>>>>>>A Thanks,
>>>>>>>>A Scott Black
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>A TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing
Acceleration
>>>>>>>>A [118]www.tprm-usa.com
>>>>>>>>A On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:46 PM, Michael Shortt
>>>>>>>>A <[119]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>A A yes, on posted minutes
>>>>>>>>A A On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Bill Moore <[1][1]
>>>>>>>> [120]bill at incendium.com>
>>>>>>>>A A wrote:
>>>>>>>>A A A I'm in listening, no problem getting in.
>>>>>>>>A A A Will there be posted minutes after the meeting ?
>>>>>>>>A A -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>A A From: DeTomaso
[mailto:[2][2][121]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>A Ray
>>>>>>>>A A Pascarella
>>>>>>>>A A Sent: January-05-16 7:21 PM
>>>>>>>>A A To: L GRAY <[3][3][122]tipo874a at msn.com>
>>>>>>>>A A Cc: [4][4][123]detomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>>A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
>>>>>>>>A A Worked fine for me.
>>>>>>>>A A Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, L GRAY
<[5][5][124]tipo874a at msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I keep getting a recording that "this phone number is not
in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>A service"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> AA AA A Checked info two times with same
result........anybody else
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>A A get this
>>>>>>>>A A recording?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Leslie A. Gray
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Michael Shortt
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>A A <[6][6][125]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>A A wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> AA [7]1 -[126]872-240-3311
>>>>>>>>>> AA Code A 968-849-333
>>>>>>>>>> AA --
>>>>>>>>>> AA Michael L. Shortt
>>>>>>>>>> AA Savannah, Georgia
>>>>>>>>>> AA [1][8][127]www.michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>>>> AA [2][9][7][128]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>>>> AA [10]912-232-9390
>>>>>>>>>> AA A
>>>>>>>>>> AA This email is protected by the Electronic
Communications Privacy
>>>>>>>>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be
legally
>>>>>>>>>> privileged.AAA If you are not the intended recipient,
you are
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>A hereby
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> notifiedAA that any retention, dissemination,
distribution or
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>A A copying
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of thisAA communication is strictly prohibited.AAA
Please reply to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>A A the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sender thatAA youAA have received this message in error,
then
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>A delete
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it.AAA Thank you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> AA 1. [11][8][129]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>>>>>>> AA 2. mailto:[12][9][130]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> [13][10][131]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>A A
[14][11][132]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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>>>>>>>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address,
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>>>>>>>>A A the links above.
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>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>A A _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>A A Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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>>>>>>>>A A [15][12][133]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>>A A
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>>>>>>>>A A the links above.
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>>>>>>>>A A DeTomaso mailing list
>>>>>>>>A A [17][14][135]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>>A A
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>>>>>>>>A A To manage your subscription (change email address,
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>>>>>>>> etc.)
>>>>>>>>A A use the links above.
>>>>>>>>A A --
>>>>>>>>A A Michael L. Shortt
>>>>>>>>A A Savannah, Georgia
>>>>>>>>A A [19][137]www.michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>>A A [20][16][138]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>>A A [139]912-232-9390
>>>>>>>>A A A
>>>>>>>>A A This email is protected by the Electronic
Communications Privacy
>>>>>>>>A A Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may
be legally
>>>>>>>>A A privileged.AA If you are not the intended recipient,
you are
>>>>>>>> hereby
>>>>>>>>A A notified
>>>>>>>>A A that any retention, dissemination, distribution or
copying of this
>>>>>>>>A A communication is strictly prohibited.AA Please reply
to the sender
>>>>>>>>A that
>>>>>>>>A A you
>>>>>>>>A A have received this message in error, then delete
it.AA Thank you
>>>>>>>>A References
>>>>>>>>A A 1. mailto:[17][140]bill at incendium.com
>>>>>>>>A A 2. mailto:[18][141]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>>>>>>>A A 3. mailto:[19][142]tipo874a at msn.com
>>>>>>>>A A 4. mailto:[20][143]detomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>>A A 5. mailto:[21][144]tipo874a at msn.com
>>>>>>>>A A 6. mailto:[22][145]michaelsavga at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>A A 7. tel:1%20-872-240-3311
>>>>>>>>A A 8. [23][146]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>>>>>A A 9. mailto:[24][147]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>>A A 10. tel:[148]912-232-9390
>>>>>>>>A A 11. [25][149]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>>>>>A A 12. mailto:[26][150]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>>A A 13. mailto:[27][151]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>>A A 14.
[28][152]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>>>>A A 15. mailto:[29][153]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>>A A 16.
[30][154]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>>>>A A 17. mailto:[31][155]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>>A A 18.
[32][156]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>>>>A A 19. [33][157]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>>>>>A A 20. mailto:[34][158]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>>A _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>A Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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>>>>>>>>A DeTomaso mailing list
>>>>>>>>A [35][159]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>>A
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>>>>>>>>A To manage your subscription (change email address,
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>>>>>>>> etc.)
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>A 1. mailto:[161]bill at incendium.com
>>>>>>>>A 2. mailto:[162]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>>>>>>>A 3. mailto:[163]tipo874a at msn.com
>>>>>>>>A 4. mailto:[164]detomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>>A 5. mailto:[165]tipo874a at msn.com
>>>>>>>>A 6. mailto:[166]michaelsavga at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>A 7. mailto:[167]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>>A 8. [168]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>>>>>A 9. mailto:[169]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>> 10. mailto:[170]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>> 11. [171]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>>>> 12. mailto:[172]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>> 13. [173]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>>>> 14. mailto:[174]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>> 15. [175]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>>>> 16. mailto:[176]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>> 17. mailto:[177]bill at incendium.com
>>>>>>>> 18. mailto:[178]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>>>>>>> 19. mailto:[179]tipo874a at msn.com
>>>>>>>> 20. mailto:[180]detomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>> 21. mailto:[181]tipo874a at msn.com
>>>>>>>> 22. mailto:[182]michaelsavga at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> 23. [183]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>>>>> 24. mailto:[184]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>> 25. [185]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>>>>> 26. mailto:[186]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>> 27. mailto:[187]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>> 28. [188]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>>>> 29. mailto:[189]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>> 30. [190]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>>>> 31. mailto:[191]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>> 32. [192]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>>>> 33. [193]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>>>>> 34. mailto:[194]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>> 35. mailto:[195]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>> 36. [196]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 15:07:40 -0500
>>>>>>>> From: Michael Shortt <[197]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: scott black <[198]timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Bill Moore <[199]bill at incendium.com>,
"[200]detomaso at poca.com"
>>>>>>>>A <[201]detomaso at poca.com>,A A L GRAY
<[202]tipo874a at msn.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
>>>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
<CAEWtxWpCZzt-0o++-voUs6BbbF=[203]bKzfqscK09A1C-WS0GhewtQ at mail.gmail
.com>
>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I sent it to the forum Scott,
>>>>>>>> there are no secrets any more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will be keeping the membership informed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Shortt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:56 PM, scott black
<[204]timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am not sure why I was copied on this email. I have not
been on the
>>>>>>>>> board
>>>>>>>>> for a few years.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Scott Black
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing
Acceleration
>>>>>>>>> [205]www.tprm-usa.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:46 PM, Michael Shortt <
>>>>>>>>> [206]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> yes, on posted minutes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Bill Moore
<[1][207]bill at incendium.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>A A I'm in listening, no problem getting in.
>>>>>>>>>A A Will there be posted minutes after the meeting ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2][208]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>>>> Pascarella
>>>>>>>>> Sent: January-05-16 7:21 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: L GRAY <[3][209]tipo874a at msn.com>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: [4][210]detomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
>>>>>>>>> Worked fine for me.
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, L GRAY
<[5][211]tipo874a at msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I keep getting a recording that "this phone number is not
in service"
>>>>>>>>>> AA AA A Checked info two times with same
result........anybody else
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> get this
>>>>>>>>> recording?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Leslie A. Gray
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Michael Shortt
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <[6][212]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> AA [7]1 -[213]872-240-3311
>>>>>>>>>>> AA Code A 968-849-333
>>>>>>>>>>> AA --
>>>>>>>>>>> AA Michael L. Shortt
>>>>>>>>>>> AA Savannah, Georgia
>>>>>>>>>>> AA [1][8][214]www.michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>>>>> AA [2][9][215]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>>>>> AA [10]912-232-9390
>>>>>>>>>>> AA A
>>>>>>>>>>> AA This email is protected by the Electronic
Communications Privacy
>>>>>>>>>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may
be legally
>>>>>>>>>>> privileged.AAA If you are not the intended recipient,
you are hereby
>>>>>>>>>>> notifiedAA that any retention, dissemination,
distribution or
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> copying
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> of thisAA communication is strictly prohibited.AAA
Please reply to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> sender thatAA youAA have received this message in
error, then delete
>>>>>>>>>>> it.AAA Thank you
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> AA 1. [11][216]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> AA 2. mailto:[12][217]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>>>>>>>>>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso
mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> [13][218]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address,
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> etc.) use
>>>>>>>>> the links above.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>>>>>>>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso
mailing list
>>>>>>>>> [15][220]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>>>
[16][221]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address,
unsubscribe,
>>>>>>>>> etc.)
>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>> the links above.
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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>>>>>>>>> DeTomaso mailing list
>>>>>>>>> [17][222]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>>>
[18][223]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address,
unsubscribe,
>>>>>>>>> etc.)
>>>>>>>>> use the links above.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Michael L. Shortt
>>>>>>>>> Savannah, Georgia
>>>>>>>>> [19][224]www.michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>>> [20][225]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>>> 912-232-9390
>>>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications
Privacy
>>>>>>>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be
legally
>>>>>>>>> privileged.AA If you are not the intended recipient, you
are hereby
>>>>>>>>> notified
>>>>>>>>> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying
of this
>>>>>>>>> communication is strictly prohibited.AA Please reply to
the sender
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> have received this message in error, then delete it.AA
Thank you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. mailto:[226]bill at incendium.com
>>>>>>>>> 2. mailto:[227]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>>>>>>>> 3. mailto:[228]tipo874a at msn.com
>>>>>>>>> 4. mailto:[229]detomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>>> 5. mailto:[230]tipo874a at msn.com
>>>>>>>>> 6. mailto:[231]michaelsavga at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> 7. tel:1%20-872-240-3311
>>>>>>>>> 8. [232]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>>>>>> 9. mailto:[233]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>>> 10. tel:912-232-9390
>>>>>>>>> 11. [234]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>>>>>> 12. mailto:[235]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>>> 13. mailto:[236]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>>> 14.
[237]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>>>>> 15. mailto:[238]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>>> 16.
[239]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>>>>> 17. mailto:[240]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>>> 18.
[241]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>>>>> 19. [242]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>>>>>> 20. mailto:[243]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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>>>>>>>>> [244]DeTomaso at poca.com
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address,
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>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>> the links above.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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>>>>>>> DeTomaso mailing list
>>>>>>> [246]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>> [247]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address,
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>>>>>>> use the links above.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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>>>>>> DeTomaso mailing list
>>>>>> [248]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>> [249]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address,
unsubscribe, etc.)
>>>>>> use the links above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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>>>> [250]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>
>>>> [251]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>
>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
etc.) use
>>>> the links above.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71
Pantera #1382
>>> "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
>>> "Computers are useless.A They can only give you answers." -P.
Picasso
>>>
>>>
>>>A A ------------------------------
>>>
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>>>
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>>
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