[DeTomaso] Gas Tank removal

Kirby Schrader kirbyschrader at mac.com
Fri Jan 8 18:54:49 EST 2016


Konrad,

You reminded me….

I read an article recently that nailed the Russian approach to flying very well.
It’s ‘web related’, but I find it is applicable to many an engineering project today.

http://idlewords.com/talks/web_design_first_100_years.htm <http://idlewords.com/talks/web_design_first_100_years.htm>

The best part of the article is    "add engines until airborne".

I hope you enjoy it.

FWIW,
Kirby


> On Jan 8, 2016, at 08:38, Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>   I might use the "Schrader approach". I hate those designs, especially
>   the one in my '92 convertible Firebird.
>   Simple failure: car sat for 1 year, electric fuel pump died. Of course,
>   it is inside the tank, in order to replace it one must drop the tank,
>   which means dropping/cutting the exhaust and dropping a bit the
>   differential.
>   Soviet military approach will be used like on the case of the other
>   Firebirds affected by this problem (87, 88, 90): cut foldable access
>   hole in the trunk, cut metal fuel lines and splice them with fuel hoses
>   so that the fuel pump can be replaced within half an hour on subsequent
>   future failures (since Chinese components are SOOO good). Supposedly
>   this approach is used in Toyota's (designed properly from the beginning
>   and not to rip off the customer in the long run). But then I do not
>   like Jap cars because of the shape and political reasons...
>   Hmmm. How difficult is to cut the firewall and how does one reinforce
>   it back in order to protect from a potential future explosion ? Does
>   anyone make a different gas tank that has a shape that allows removal
>   without engine removal first ?
> 
>   On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:09 AM, Kirby Schrader
>   <[1]kirbyschrader at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>     Oh my....
>     The 'Schrader approach'?
>     Sent from my iPhone 6+
>> On Jan 8, 2016, at 07:03, [2]cengles at cox.net wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Owen,
>> 
>> 
>> A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A Yes, you must remove the drive train unless
>     you care to use the Schrader approach and cut out the firewall
>     behind the driver's seat to remove the gas tank from the front.....
>> 
>> 
>> A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A Bad news with the standard approach: You
>     have to remove the drive train
>> 
>> A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  Good news with the standard approach: the
>     gas tank removal is remarkably easy with the engine out of the way
>> you'll have access to that nook and cranny
>> you'll have even better access to the engine bay for your complete
>     rustproofing and other modifications
>> you'll have your engine out and accessible for cleaning, fixing
>     and modifications including rebuilding
>> you'll have your ZF out and accessible for cleaning and fixing
>> 
>> 
>> A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 4:41 AM, Owen Cooke wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Pantera guys
>>> 
>>> I am finishing off rustproofing a Pantera i bought recently but i
>     am concerned about the gas tank
>>> i would like to take it out and deal with the areas behind it as
>     this is the onlyA  piece of the car not reworked by me
>>> i am also concerned baout the tank itself
>>> 
>>> what i want to know is - can the tank be removed with the engine
>     in place
>>> or would i have to take out the engine and or the suspension ??
>>> 
>>> your advice would be appreciated
>>> 
>>> best regards owen cooke dublin
>>> 
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>>>> A  A  2. Re: 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call (scott black)
>>>> A  A  3. Re: 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call (Michael Shortt)
>>>> A  A  4. More Anti-Footbal Pics, comments, was Re:A  Anti
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>>>> A  A  A  A (Guido deTomaso)
>>>> A  A  5. Fwd: DeTomaso post from [8]michaelsavga at gmail.com
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>>>> A  A  6. Re: Gray makes the grade! (Tomas Gunnarsson)
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 14:07:26 -0500
>>>> From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <[13]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
>>>> To: "'Himes, Terry \(397C\)'" <[14]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>>>> Cc: "'Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List'" <[15]detomaso at poca.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
>>>> Message-ID: <1E0F81F4FDBB4E17880A6361501BDFB0 at LarryHPPC>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;A  A  charset="UTF-8"
>>>> 
>>>> << criticized for putting too much sex into his fiction >>
>>>> 
>>>> Is that even possible??
>>>> 
>>>> Larry (may as well read about it) - Cleveland
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[16]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
>     Of Himes, Terry (397C)
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 12:08 PM
>>>> To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; 'Michael Shortt'
>>>> Cc: [17]detomaso at poca.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
>>>> 
>>>> He should just give the narration and someone else could write
>     it? Called collaboration.
>>>> 
>>>> Gentry Lee (JPL) did this with Arthur C. Clark on several books.
>     Also collaborated with Carl Sagan's 1980 COSMOS.
>>>> Gentry is a VERY colorful character here on lab.A  Highly
>     criticized for putting too much sex into his fiction.
>>>> I think he has been married 7 times and has 8 childrenA  (or is
>     it married 8 times with 7 children. ;-)A  All boys.
>>>> Working with him is a hoot.A  A 2 beer story.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
>>>> A  A exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has
>     tried
>>>> A  A to contact us!"
>>>> 
>>>> Terry W. Himes
>>>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>>>> InSight Sequence Team Lead
>>>> Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
>>>> Phone: [18](818) 393-6261
>>>> Cell:A  A  A [19](818) 653-8213
>>>> Fax:A  A  A [20](818) 393-3147
>>>> [21]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:[22]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>>>> ??
>>>> 
>>>> From: DeTomaso
>     <[23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:[24]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>
>> on behalf of "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr."
>     <[25]byrdjf at embarqmail.com<mailto:[26]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 8:40 AM
>>>> To: 'Michael Shortt'
>     <[27]michaelsavga at gmail.com<mailto:[28]michaelsavga at gmail.com>>
>>>> Cc: "[29]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[30]detomaso at poca.com>"
>     <[31]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[32]detomaso at poca.com>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
>>>> 
>>>> Trying to compose my thoughts on the review of the recent
>     released deTomaso book, I was trying to figure out how to express
>     the desire for a book not documenting the people that are
>     responsible for the Pantera, but could a book be about the
>     development of the Pantera detailing the work of those people, more
>     of an technical/engineering/design documentation.
>>>> 
>>>> Then reading the stories of meetings with Tom Tjaarda and how
>     much he enjoys sharing the details of his work, I realized the only
>     one that could write a book that would be of a highly technical
>     aspect would be T Tjaarda.A  If he would undertake such a task, I
>     would hope he could gather the recollection of the engineers he
>     worked with.
>>>> 
>>>> I was also thinking if I attend Hilton Head event, what ?item?
>     would I want personalized by Tjaarda.A  I would think a reproduction
>     of one of the construction drawings during the design would be my
>     most lusted after.
>>>> 
>>>> Could POCA ask if he would?
>>>> 
>>>> Joe in NC/5177
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[33]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
>     Of Michael Shortt
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 10:17 AM
>>>> To: David; Jeff Cobb
>>>> Cc: [34]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[35]detomaso at poca.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
>>>> 
>>>> Good Morning,
>>>> 
>>>> Tom has accepted my invitation to be a Special Guest Judge at
>     the 2016 Hiltion Head Island Motoring Festival and Concours.
>>>> He will be hosting and judging a special Detomaso exhibit on
>     Saturday and be a Special Guest Judge on Sunday at the Concours.
>>>> Additionally, he has agreed to come one week early and attend
>     the Speed Classic races as my guest.
>>>> 
>>>> I will be seeking supreme examples of all Detomaso cars, we are
>     limited to 12.
>>>> 
>>>> I would like a authentic factory racer, a GT5-S, a Targa, GTS,
>     Pre L, L, L GTS, Deauville, Longchamp, Vallelunga and a Isis Race
>     car.
>>>> 
>>>> The concours dates are November 5 and 6
>>>> the spped classic will be Oct 28,29 and 30.
>>>> 
>>>> If I can arrange enough Pantera Race cars, we will also have an
>     opportunity for a sprint race each day.
>>>> 
>>>> additionally, I have invited the Aston Martin Lagonda, Fiat 124
>     and MB Pagoda owners to attend the car corral on Saturday, Oct 29th
>     during the speed classic,A  I will be extending this offer to all
>     Detomaso owners as well.
>>>> Drive your aforementioned car and get into the race for free
>     that day.
>>>> 
>>>> Savannah is lovely in fall, if you can attend, please do, when
>     the new website is up, we will post a registration area.
>>>> 
>>>> If you have a car suitable for the concours, please send info
>     and lots of photos to me.
>>>> 
>>>> Michael Shortt
>>>> President
>>>> POCA
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:54 AM, David
>     <[36]adin at frontier.net<mailto:[37]adin at frontier.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> A  A  A Jeff, 14 of these cars were made. Contemporary to the
>     330GTC, it
>>>> A  A  A featured pop up driving lights. That must have been
>     bugly!
>>>> 
>>>> A  A  A Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> A  A  A David
>>>> 
>>>> A  A  A Sent from my little handheld gizmo.
>>>> 
>>>> A  A  A On Jan 5, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Jeff Detrich
>     <[1][38]jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:[39]jjdetrich at gmail.com>>
>>>> A  A  A wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> A  A  A Check out the nose of the Ferrari. I wonder what the
>     circles are for?
>>>> A  A  A They are cutouts for something.
>>>> A  A  A Jeff
>>>> A  A  A 6559
>>>> A  A  A <image.png>
>>>> A  A  A On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:52 PM, David
>     <[2][40]adin at frontier.net<mailto:[41]adin at frontier.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> A  A  A  A Interesting article. Wish I could sit down with Tom
>     for a quiet hour
>>>> A  A  A  A and yak about this stuff. Enjoy.
>>>> A  A  A
>     A [3][42]http://www.velocetoday.com/tom-tjaarda-on-creativity/
>>>> A  A  A  A Sent from my little handheld gizmo.
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>>>> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 19:56:32 +0000 (UTC)
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>>>> Cc: "[64]detomaso at poca.com" <[65]detomaso at poca.com>, L GRAY
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>>>> A  A  I am not sure why I was copied on this email. I have not
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>>>> A  A  board for a few years.
>>>> A  A  Thanks,
>>>> A  A  Scott Black
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>>>> A  A  On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:46 PM, Michael Shortt
>>>> A  A  <[112]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> A  A  A  yes, on posted minutes
>>>> A  A  A  On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Bill Moore
>     <[1][1][113]bill at incendium.com>
>>>> A  A  A  wrote:
>>>> A  A  A  A  I'm in listening, no problem getting in.
>>>> A  A  A  A  Will there be posted minutes after the meeting ?
>>>> A  A  A  -----Original Message-----
>>>> A  A  A  From: DeTomaso
>     [mailto:[2][2][114]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> A  A  Ray
>>>> A  A  A  Pascarella
>>>> A  A  A  Sent: January-05-16 7:21 PM
>>>> A  A  A  To: L GRAY <[3][3][115]tipo874a at msn.com>
>>>> A  A  A  Cc: [4][4][116]detomaso at poca.com
>>>> A  A  A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
>>>> A  A  A  Worked fine for me.
>>>> A  A  A  Sent from my iPad
>>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, L GRAY
>     <[5][5][117]tipo874a at msn.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I keep getting a recording that "this phone number is not in
>>>> A  A  service"
>>>>> AA  AA  A Checked info two times with same
>     result........anybody else
>>>> A  A  A  get this
>>>> A  A  A  recording?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Leslie A. Gray
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Michael Shortt
>>>> A  A  A  <[6][6][118]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>>> A  A  A  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> AA  [7]1 -[119]872-240-3311
>>>>>> AA  Code A 968-849-333
>>>>>> AA  --
>>>>>> AA  Michael L. Shortt
>>>>>> AA  Savannah, Georgia
>>>>>> AA  [1][8][120]www.michaelshortt.com
>>>>>> AA  [2][9][7][121]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>> AA  [10]912-232-9390
>>>>>> AA  A
>>>>>> AA  This email is protected by the Electronic Communications
>     Privacy
>>>>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be
>     legally
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>>>> A  A  hereby
>>>>>> notifiedAA  that any retention, dissemination, distribution or
>>>> A  A  A  copying
>>>>>> of thisAA  communication is strictly prohibited.AAA  Please
>     reply to
>>>> A  A  A  the
>>>>>> sender thatAA  youAA  have received this message in error,
>     then
>>>> A  A  delete
>>>>>> it.AAA  Thank you
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> References
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> AA  1. [11][8][122]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>>> AA  2. mailto:[12][9][123]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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>>>> A  A  A  Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso
>     mailing list
>>>> A  A  A  [15][12][126]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>> A  A  A
>     [16][13][127]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>> A  A  A  To manage your subscription (change email address,
>     unsubscribe, etc.)
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>>>> A  A  A  the links above.
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>>>> A  A  A  DeTomaso mailing list
>>>> A  A  A  [17][14][128]DeTomaso at poca.com
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>     [18][15][129]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>> A  A  A  To manage your subscription (change email address,
>     unsubscribe, etc.)
>>>> A  A  A  use the links above.
>>>> A  A  A  --
>>>> A  A  A  Michael L. Shortt
>>>> A  A  A  Savannah, Georgia
>>>> A  A  A  [19][130]www.michaelshortt.com
>>>> A  A  A  [20][16][131]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>> A  A  A  [132]912-232-9390
>>>> A  A  A  A
>>>> A  A  A  This email is protected by the Electronic Communications
>     Privacy
>>>> A  A  A  Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may
>     be legally
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>     you are hereby
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>     copying of this
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>     the sender
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>>>> A  A  A  have received this message in error, then delete it.AA
>     Thank you
>>>> A  A  References
>>>> A  A  A  1. mailto:[17][133]bill at incendium.com
>>>> A  A  A  2. mailto:[18][134]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>>> A  A  A  3. mailto:[19][135]tipo874a at msn.com
>>>> A  A  A  4. mailto:[20][136]detomaso at poca.com
>>>> A  A  A  5. mailto:[21][137]tipo874a at msn.com
>>>> A  A  A  6. mailto:[22][138]michaelsavga at gmail.com
>>>> A  A  A  7. tel:1%20-872-240-3311
>>>> A  A  A  8. [23][139]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>> A  A  A  9. mailto:[24][140]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>> A  A  A  10. tel:[141]912-232-9390
>>>> A  A  A  11. [25][142]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>> A  A  A  12. mailto:[26][143]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>> A  A  A  13. mailto:[27][144]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>> A  A  A  14.
>     [28][145]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>> A  A  A  15. mailto:[29][146]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>> A  A  A  16.
>     [30][147]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>> A  A  A  17. mailto:[31][148]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>> A  A  A  18.
>     [32][149]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>> A  A  A  19. [33][150]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>> A  A  A  20. mailto:[34][151]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>> A  A  _______________________________________________
>>>> A  A  Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>>>> A  A  Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
>>>> A  A  DeTomaso mailing list
>>>> A  A  [35][152]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>> A  A  [36][153]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>> A  A  To manage your subscription (change email address,
>     unsubscribe, etc.)
>>>> A  A  use the links above.
>>>> 
>>>> References
>>>> 
>>>> A  A  1. mailto:[154]bill at incendium.com
>>>> A  A  2. mailto:[155]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>>> A  A  3. mailto:[156]tipo874a at msn.com
>>>> A  A  4. mailto:[157]detomaso at poca.com
>>>> A  A  5. mailto:[158]tipo874a at msn.com
>>>> A  A  6. mailto:[159]michaelsavga at gmail.com
>>>> A  A  7. mailto:[160]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>> A  A  8. [161]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>> A  A  9. mailto:[162]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>> A  A 10. mailto:[163]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>> A  A 11. [164]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>> A  A 12. mailto:[165]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>> A  A 13. [166]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>> A  A 14. mailto:[167]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>> A  A 15. [168]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>> A  A 16. mailto:[169]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>> A  A 17. mailto:[170]bill at incendium.com
>>>> A  A 18. mailto:[171]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>>> A  A 19. mailto:[172]tipo874a at msn.com
>>>> A  A 20. mailto:[173]detomaso at poca.com
>>>> A  A 21. mailto:[174]tipo874a at msn.com
>>>> A  A 22. mailto:[175]michaelsavga at gmail.com
>>>> A  A 23. [176]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>> A  A 24. mailto:[177]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>> A  A 25. [178]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>> A  A 26. mailto:[179]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>> A  A 27. mailto:[180]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>> A  A 28. [181]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>> A  A 29. mailto:[182]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>> A  A 30. [183]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>> A  A 31. mailto:[184]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>> A  A 32. [185]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>> A  A 33. [186]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>> A  A 34. mailto:[187]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>> A  A 35. mailto:[188]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>> A  A 36. [189]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 15:07:40 -0500
>>>> From: Michael Shortt <[190]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>>> To: scott black <[191]timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>
>>>> Cc: Bill Moore <[192]bill at incendium.com>,
>     "[193]detomaso at poca.com"
>>>> A  A  <[194]detomaso at poca.com>,A  A  L GRAY
>     <[195]tipo874a at msn.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> A  A
>     <CAEWtxWpCZzt-0o++-voUs6BbbF=[196]bKzfqscK09A1C-WS0GhewtQ at mail.gmail
>     .com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>> 
>>>> I sent it to the forum Scott,
>>>> there are no secrets any more.
>>>> 
>>>> I will be keeping the membership informed.
>>>> 
>>>> Michael Shortt
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:56 PM, scott black
>     <[197]timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am not sure why I was copied on this email. I have not been
>     on the board
>>>>> for a few years.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott Black
>>>>> 
>>>>> TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration
>>>>> [198]www.tprm-usa.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:46 PM, Michael Shortt <
>>>>> [199]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> A  A yes, on posted minutes
>>>>> 
>>>>> A  A On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Bill Moore
>     <[1][200]bill at incendium.com>
>>>>> A  A wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> A  A  A I'm in listening, no problem getting in.
>>>>> A  A  A Will there be posted minutes after the meeting ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> A  A -----Original Message-----
>>>>> A  A From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2][201]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
>     On Behalf Of Ray
>>>>> A  A Pascarella
>>>>> A  A Sent: January-05-16 7:21 PM
>>>>> A  A To: L GRAY <[3][202]tipo874a at msn.com>
>>>>> A  A Cc: [4][203]detomaso at poca.com
>>>>> A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
>>>>> A  A Worked fine for me.
>>>>> A  A Sent from my iPad
>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, L GRAY <[5][204]tipo874a at msn.com>
>     wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I keep getting a recording that "this phone number is not in
>     service"
>>>>>> AA  AA  A Checked info two times with same
>     result........anybody else
>>>>> A  A get this
>>>>> A  A recording?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Leslie A. Gray
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Michael Shortt
>>>>> A  A <[6][205]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>>>> A  A wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> AA  [7]1 -[206]872-240-3311
>>>>>>> AA  Code A 968-849-333
>>>>>>> AA  --
>>>>>>> AA  Michael L. Shortt
>>>>>>> AA  Savannah, Georgia
>>>>>>> AA  [1][8][207]www.michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>> AA  [2][9][208]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>> AA  [10]912-232-9390
>>>>>>> AA  A
>>>>>>> AA  This email is protected by the Electronic Communications
>     Privacy
>>>>>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be
>     legally
>>>>>>> privileged.AAA  If you are not the intended recipient, you
>     are hereby
>>>>>>> notifiedAA  that any retention, dissemination, distribution
>     or
>>>>> A  A copying
>>>>>>> of thisAA  communication is strictly prohibited.AAA  Please
>     reply to
>>>>> A  A the
>>>>>>> sender thatAA  youAA  have received this message in error,
>     then delete
>>>>>>> it.AAA  Thank you
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> AA  1. [11][209]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>>>> AA  2. mailto:[12][210]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>>>>>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing
>     list
>>>>>>> [13][211]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>> A  A [14][212]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address,
>     unsubscribe,
>>>>> A  A etc.) use
>>>>> A  A the links above.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> A  A Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>>>>> A  A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso
>     mailing list
>>>>> A  A [15][213]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>> A  A [16][214]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>> A  A To manage your subscription (change email address,
>     unsubscribe, etc.)
>>>>> A  A use
>>>>> A  A the links above.
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>>>>> A  A Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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>>>>> A  A DeTomaso mailing list
>>>>> A  A [17][215]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>> A  A [18][216]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>> A  A To manage your subscription (change email address,
>     unsubscribe, etc.)
>>>>> A  A use the links above.
>>>>> 
>>>>> A  A --
>>>>> A  A Michael L. Shortt
>>>>> A  A Savannah, Georgia
>>>>> A  A [19][217]www.michaelshortt.com
>>>>> A  A [20][218]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>> A  A [219]912-232-9390
>>>>> A  A A
>>>>> A  A This email is protected by the Electronic Communications
>     Privacy
>>>>> A  A Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be
>     legally
>>>>> A  A privileged.AA  If you are not the intended recipient, you
>     are hereby
>>>>> A  A notified
>>>>> A  A that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying
>     of this
>>>>> A  A communication is strictly prohibited.AA  Please reply to
>     the sender that
>>>>> A  A you
>>>>> A  A have received this message in error, then delete it.AA
>     Thank you
>>>>> 
>>>>> References
>>>>> 
>>>>> A  A 1. mailto:[220]bill at incendium.com
>>>>> A  A 2. mailto:[221]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>>>> A  A 3. mailto:[222]tipo874a at msn.com
>>>>> A  A 4. mailto:[223]detomaso at poca.com
>>>>> A  A 5. mailto:[224]tipo874a at msn.com
>>>>> A  A 6. mailto:[225]michaelsavga at gmail.com
>>>>> A  A 7. tel:1%20-872-240-3311
>>>>> A  A 8. [226]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>> A  A 9. mailto:[227]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>> A  A 10. tel:912-232-9390
>>>>> A  A 11. [228]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>> A  A 12. mailto:[229]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>> A  A 13. mailto:[230]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>> A  A 14. [231]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>> A  A 15. mailto:[232]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>> A  A 16. [233]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>> A  A 17. mailto:[234]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>> A  A 18. [235]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>> A  A 19. [236]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>> A  A 20. mailto:[237]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> 
>>>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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>>>>> DeTomaso mailing list
>>>>> [238]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>> [239]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
>     etc.) use
>>>>> the links above.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
>>> DeTomaso mailing list
>>> [240]DeTomaso at poca.com
>>> [241]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>> 
>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
>     etc.) use the links above.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
>> DeTomaso mailing list
>> [242]DeTomaso at poca.com
>> [243]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 
>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
>     etc.) use the links above.
>     _______________________________________________
>     Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>     Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
>     DeTomaso mailing list
>     [244]DeTomaso at poca.com
>     [245]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>     To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
>     etc.) use the links above.
> 
> References
> 
>   1. mailto:kirbyschrader at mac.com
>   2. mailto:cengles at cox.net
>   3. mailto:detomaso-request at poca.com
>   4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>   6. mailto:detomaso-request at poca.com
>   7. mailto:detomaso-owner at poca.com
>   8. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
>   9. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
>  10. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>  11. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>  12. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>  13. mailto:Larry at ohiotimecorp.com
>  14. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
>  15. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>  16. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>  17. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>  18. tel:%28818%29%20393-6261
>  19. tel:%28818%29%20653-8213
>  20. tel:%28818%29%20393-3147
>  21. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>  22. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>  23. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>  24. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>  25. mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com
>  26. mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com
>  27. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
>  28. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
>  29. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>  30. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>  31. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>  32. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>  33. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>  34. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>  35. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>  36. mailto:adin at frontier.net
>  37. mailto:adin at frontier.net
>  38. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
>  39. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
>  40. mailto:adin at frontier.net
>  41. mailto:adin at frontier.net
>  42. http://www.velocetoday.com/tom-tjaarda-on-creativity/
>  43. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  44. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  45. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  46. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
>  47. mailto:adin at frontier.net
>  48. http://www.velocetoday.com/tom-tjaarda-on-creativity/
>  49. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  50. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  51. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  52. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  53. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  54. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>  55. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>  56. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>  57. tel:912-232-9390
>  58. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  59. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  60. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  61. mailto:timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com
>  62. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
>  63. mailto:bill at incendium.com
>  64. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>  65. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>  66. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
>  67. mailto:1503538904.927401.1452110192674.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com
>  68. http://www.tprm-usa.com/
>  69. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
>  70. mailto:bill at incendium.com
>  71. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>  72. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
>  73. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>  74. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
>  75. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
>  76. tel:872-240-3311
>  77. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>  78. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>  79. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>  80. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>  81. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  82. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  83. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  84. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  85. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  86. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  87. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>  88. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>  89. tel:912-232-9390
>  90. mailto:bill at incendium.com
>  91. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>  92. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
>  93. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>  94. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
>  95. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
>  96. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>  97. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>  98. tel:912-232-9390
>  99. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> 100. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> 101. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 102. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 103. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 104. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 105. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 106. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 107. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> 108. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> 109. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 110. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 111. http://www.tprm-usa.com/
> 112. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
> 113. mailto:bill at incendium.com
> 114. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> 115. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
> 116. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 117. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
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   Konrad,

   You reminded me....

   I read an article recently that nailed the Russian approach to flying
   very well.
   It's `web related', but I find it is applicable to many an engineering
   project today.
   [1]http://idlewords.com/talks/web_design_first_100_years.htm
   The best part of the article is    "add engines until airborne".
   I hope you enjoy it.
   FWIW,
   Kirby

   On Jan 8, 2016, at 08:38, Konrad Szwab <[2]kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:

     I might use the "Schrader approach". I hate those designs, especially
     the one in my '92 convertible Firebird.
     Simple failure: car sat for 1 year, electric fuel pump died. Of
   course,
     it is inside the tank, in order to replace it one must drop the tank,
     which means dropping/cutting the exhaust and dropping a bit the
     differential.
     Soviet military approach will be used like on the case of the other
     Firebirds affected by this problem (87, 88, 90): cut foldable access
     hole in the trunk, cut metal fuel lines and splice them with fuel
   hoses
     so that the fuel pump can be replaced within half an hour on
   subsequent
     future failures (since Chinese components are SOOO good). Supposedly
     this approach is used in Toyota's (designed properly from the
   beginning
     and not to rip off the customer in the long run). But then I do not
     like Jap cars because of the shape and political reasons...
     Hmmm. How difficult is to cut the firewall and how does one reinforce
     it back in order to protect from a potential future explosion ? Does
     anyone make a different gas tank that has a shape that allows removal
     without engine removal first ?
     On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:09 AM, Kirby Schrader
     <[1][3]kirbyschrader at mac.com> wrote:
       Oh my....
       The 'Schrader approach'?
       Sent from my iPhone 6+

     On Jan 8, 2016, at 07:03, [2][4]cengles at cox.net wrote:
     Dear Owen,
     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A Yes, you must remove the drive train unless

       you care to use the Schrader approach and cut out the firewall
       behind the driver's seat to remove the gas tank from the front.....

     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A Bad news with the standard approach: You

       have to remove the drive train

     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  Good news with the standard approach: the

       gas tank removal is remarkably easy with the engine out of the way

     you'll have access to that nook and cranny
     you'll have even better access to the engine bay for your complete

       rustproofing and other modifications

     you'll have your engine out and accessible for cleaning, fixing

       and modifications including rebuilding

     you'll have your ZF out and accessible for cleaning and fixing
     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A Warmest regards, Chuck Engles

     On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 4:41 AM, Owen Cooke wrote:
     Hello Pantera guys
     I am finishing off rustproofing a Pantera i bought recently but i

       am concerned about the gas tank

     i would like to take it out and deal with the areas behind it as

       this is the onlyA  piece of the car not reworked by me

     i am also concerned baout the tank itself
     what i want to know is - can the tank be removed with the engine

       in place

     or would i have to take out the engine and or the suspension ??
     your advice would be appreciated
     best regards owen cooke dublin

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     Today's Topics:
     A  A  1. Re: Tom Tjaarda on Creativity (Larry - Ohio Time)
     A  A  2. Re: 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call (scott black)
     A  A  3. Re: 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call (Michael Shortt)
     A  A  4. More Anti-Footbal Pics, comments, was Re:A  Anti

       Football Run

     A  A  A  A (Guido deTomaso)
     A  A  5. Fwd: DeTomaso post from [8][10]michaelsavga at gmail.com

       requires

     A  A  A  A approval (Michael Shortt)
     A  A  6. Re: Gray makes the grade! (Tomas Gunnarsson)
     A  A  7. 2016 Jan POCA BOD Meeting (Michael Shortt)
     A  A  8. Re: Fwd: DeTomaso post from [9][11]michaelsavga at gmail.comA

       A  requires

     A  A  A  A approval (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
     A  A  9. Panteras at Le Mans Classic (davek)
     A  A 10. Re: Congratulations (Mike Thomas)
     A  A 11. Re: Congratulations (Mike Reilly)
     A  A 12. Re: More Anti-Footbal Pics, comments,A  A  was Re:A

       Anti Football

     A  A  A  A Run ([10][12]MikeLDrew at aol.com)
     A  A 13. Re: Gray makes the grade! ([11][13]MikeLDrew at aol.com)
     A  A 14. Re: More Anti-Footbal Pics, comments, was Re: Anti

       Football

     A  A  A  A Run (Michael Shortt)
     A  A 15. Re: More Anti-Footbal Pics, comments,A  A  was Re: Anti

       Football

     A  A  A  A Run ([12][14]MikeLDrew at aol.com)
     A  A 16. Re: Tom Tjaarda on Creativity (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
     A  A 17. POCA mart (Paul A Rimov)
     A  A 18. Re: Congratulations (Michael Haney)
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       comments,

     A  A  A  A was Re: Anti Football Run (Guido deTomaso)

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     Message: 1
     Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 14:07:26 -0500
     From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <[13][15]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
     To: "'Himes, Terry \(397C\)'" <[14][16]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
     Cc: "'Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List'" <[15][17]detomaso at poca.com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
     Message-ID: <1E0F81F4FDBB4E17880A6361501BDFB0 at LarryHPPC>
     Content-Type: text/plain;A  A  charset="UTF-8"
     << criticized for putting too much sex into his fiction >>
     Is that even possible??
     Larry (may as well read about it) - Cleveland
     -----Original Message-----
     From: DeTomaso [mailto:[16][18]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf

       Of Himes, Terry (397C)

     Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 12:08 PM
     To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; 'Michael Shortt'
     Cc: [17][19]detomaso at poca.com
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
     He should just give the narration and someone else could write

       it? Called collaboration.

     Gentry Lee (JPL) did this with Arthur C. Clark on several books.

       Also collaborated with Carl Sagan's 1980 COSMOS.

     Gentry is a VERY colorful character here on lab.A  Highly

       criticized for putting too much sex into his fiction.

     I think he has been married 7 times and has 8 childrenA  (or is

       it married 8 times with 7 children. ;-)A  All boys.

     Working with him is a hoot.A  A 2 beer story.
     "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
     A  A exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has

       tried

     A  A to contact us!"
     Terry W. Himes
     JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
     InSight Sequence Team Lead
     Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
     Phone: [18](818) 393-6261
     Cell:A  A  A [19](818) 653-8213
     Fax:A  A  A [20](818) 393-3147
     [21][20]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:[22][21]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
     ??
     From: DeTomaso

       <[23][22]detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:[24][23]detomaso-bounces@
   poca.com>

     on behalf of "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr."

       <[25][24]byrdjf at embarqmail.com<mailto:[26][25]byrdjf at embarqmail.com
   >>

     Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 8:40 AM
     To: 'Michael Shortt'

       <[27][26]michaelsavga at gmail.com<mailto:[28][27]michaelsavga at gmail.c
   om>>

     Cc: "[29][28]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[30][29]detomaso at poca.com>"

       <[31][30]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[32][31]detomaso at poca.com>>

     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
     Trying to compose my thoughts on the review of the recent

       released deTomaso book, I was trying to figure out how to express
       the desire for a book not documenting the people that are
       responsible for the Pantera, but could a book be about the
       development of the Pantera detailing the work of those people, more
       of an technical/engineering/design documentation.

     Then reading the stories of meetings with Tom Tjaarda and how

       much he enjoys sharing the details of his work, I realized the only
       one that could write a book that would be of a highly technical
       aspect would be T Tjaarda.A  If he would undertake such a task, I
       would hope he could gather the recollection of the engineers he
       worked with.

     I was also thinking if I attend Hilton Head event, what ?item?

       would I want personalized by Tjaarda.A  I would think a
   reproduction
       of one of the construction drawings during the design would be my
       most lusted after.

     Could POCA ask if he would?
     Joe in NC/5177
     -----Original Message-----
     From: DeTomaso [mailto:[33][32]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf

       Of Michael Shortt

     Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 10:17 AM
     To: David; Jeff Cobb
     Cc: [34][33]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[35][34]detomaso at poca.com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
     Good Morning,
     Tom has accepted my invitation to be a Special Guest Judge at

       the 2016 Hiltion Head Island Motoring Festival and Concours.

     He will be hosting and judging a special Detomaso exhibit on

       Saturday and be a Special Guest Judge on Sunday at the Concours.

     Additionally, he has agreed to come one week early and attend

       the Speed Classic races as my guest.

     I will be seeking supreme examples of all Detomaso cars, we are

       limited to 12.

     I would like a authentic factory racer, a GT5-S, a Targa, GTS,

       Pre L, L, L GTS, Deauville, Longchamp, Vallelunga and a Isis Race
       car.

     The concours dates are November 5 and 6
     the spped classic will be Oct 28,29 and 30.
     If I can arrange enough Pantera Race cars, we will also have an

       opportunity for a sprint race each day.

     additionally, I have invited the Aston Martin Lagonda, Fiat 124

       and MB Pagoda owners to attend the car corral on Saturday, Oct 29th
       during the speed classic,A  I will be extending this offer to all
       Detomaso owners as well.

     Drive your aforementioned car and get into the race for free

       that day.

     Savannah is lovely in fall, if you can attend, please do, when

       the new website is up, we will post a registration area.

     If you have a car suitable for the concours, please send info

       and lots of photos to me.

     Michael Shortt
     President
     POCA
     On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:54 AM, David

       <[36][35]adin at frontier.net<mailto:[37][36]adin at frontier.net>>
   wrote:

     A  A  A Jeff, 14 of these cars were made. Contemporary to the

       330GTC, it

     A  A  A featured pop up driving lights. That must have been

       bugly!

     A  A  A Cheers,
     A  A  A David
     A  A  A Sent from my little handheld gizmo.
     A  A  A On Jan 5, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Jeff Detrich

       <[1][38][37]jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:[39][38]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
   >

     A  A  A wrote:
     A  A  A Check out the nose of the Ferrari. I wonder what the

       circles are for?

     A  A  A They are cutouts for something.
     A  A  A Jeff
     A  A  A 6559
     A  A  A <image.png>
     A  A  A On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:52 PM, David

       <[2][40][39]adin at frontier.net<mailto:[41][40]adin at frontier.net>>
   wrote:

     A  A  A  A Interesting article. Wish I could sit down with Tom

       for a quiet hour

     A  A  A  A and yak about this stuff. Enjoy.
     A  A  A

       A [3][42][41]http://www.velocetoday.com/tom-tjaarda-on-creativity/

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     Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 19:56:32 +0000 (UTC)
     From: scott black <[61][59]timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>
     To: Michael Shortt <[62][60]michaelsavga at gmail.com>, Bill Moore
     A  A  <[63][61]bill at incendium.com>
     Cc: "[64][62]detomaso at poca.com" <[65][63]detomaso at poca.com>, L GRAY

       <[66][64]tipo874a at msn.com>

     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
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       <[67][65]1503538904.927401.1452110192674.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.
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     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
     I am not sure why I was copied on this email. I have not been on

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       [68][66]www.tprm-usa.com

     A  A  A On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:46 PM, Michael Shortt

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     ? On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Bill Moore

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     ? -----Original Message-----
     ? From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2][71][69]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On

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     ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
     ? Worked fine for me.
     ? Sent from my iPad
     ? > On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, L GRAY <[5][74][72]tipo874a at msn.com>

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     ? > I keep getting a recording that "this phone number is not in

       service"

     ? >A? A? A Checked info two times with same

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     ? get this
     ? recording?
     ? >
     ? > Leslie A. Gray
     ? >
     ? >> On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Michael Shortt
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     ? wrote:
     ? >>
     ? >>A? [7]1 -[76]872-240-3311
     ? >>A? Code A 968-849-333
     ? >>A? --
     ? >>A? Michael L. Shortt
     ? >>A? Savannah, Georgia
     ? >>A? [1][8][77][74]www.michaelshortt.com
     ? >>A? [2][9][78][75]michael at michaelshortt.com
     ? >>A? [10]912-232-9390
     ? >>A? A
     ? >>A? This email is protected by the Electronic Communications

       Privacy

     ? >> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be

       legally

     ? >> privileged.AA? If you are not the intended recipient, you

       are hereby

     ? >> notifiedA? that any retention, dissemination, distribution

       or

     ? copying
     ? >> of thisA? communication is strictly prohibited.AA? Please

       reply to

     ? the
     ? >> sender thatA? youA? have received this message in error,

       then delete

     ? >> it.AA? Thank you
     ? >>
     ? >> References
     ? >>
     ? >>A? 1. [11][79][76]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     ? >>A? 2. mailto:[12][80][77]michael at michaelshortt.com
     ? >> _______________________________________________
     ? >>
     ? >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
     ? >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso

       mailing list

     ? >> [13][81][78]DeTomaso at poca.com
     ? [14][82][79]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     ? >>
     ? >> To manage your subscription (change email address,

       unsubscribe,

     ? etc.) use
     ? the links above.
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     ? Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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       list

     ? [15][83][80]DeTomaso at poca.com
     ? [16][84][81]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     ? To manage your subscription (change email address,

       unsubscribe, etc.)

     ? use
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     ? [17][85][82]DeTomaso at poca.com
     ? [18][86][83]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     ? To manage your subscription (change email address,

       unsubscribe, etc.)

     ? use the links above.
     ? --
     ? Michael L. Shortt
     ? Savannah, Georgia
     ? [19][87][84]www.michaelshortt.com
     ? [20][88][85]michael at michaelshortt.com
     ? [89]912-232-9390
     ? A
     ? This email is protected by the Electronic Communications

       Privacy

     ? Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be

       legally

     ? privileged.A? If you are not the intended recipient, you are

       hereby

     ? notified
     ? that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of

       this

     ? communication is strictly prohibited.A? Please reply to the

       sender that

     ? you
     ? have received this message in error, then delete it.A? Thank

       you

     References
     ? 1. mailto:[90][86]bill at incendium.com
     ? 2. mailto:[91][87]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
     ? 3. mailto:[92][88]tipo874a at msn.com
     ? 4. mailto:[93][89]detomaso at poca.com
     ? 5. mailto:[94][90]tipo874a at msn.com
     ? 6. mailto:[95][91]michaelsavga at gmail.com
     ? 7. [92]tel:1%20-872-240-3311
     ? 8. [96][93]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     ? 9. mailto:[97][94]michael at michaelshortt.com
     ? 10. [95]tel:[98]912-232-9390
     ? 11. [99][96]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     ? 12. mailto:[100][97]michael at michaelshortt.com
     ? 13. mailto:[101][98]DeTomaso at poca.com
     ? 14. [102][99]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     ? 15. mailto:[103][100]DeTomaso at poca.com
     ? 16. [104][101]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     ? 17. mailto:[105][102]DeTomaso at poca.com
     ? 18. [106][103]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     ? 19. [107][104]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     ? 20. mailto:[108][105]michael at michaelshortt.com
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     A  A -------------- next part --------------
     A  A  I am not sure why I was copied on this email. I have not

       been on the

     A  A  board for a few years.
     A  A  Thanks,
     A  A  Scott Black
     A  A  TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing

       Acceleration

     A  A  [111][108]www.tprm-usa.com
     A  A  On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:46 PM, Michael Shortt
     A  A  <[112][109]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
     A  A  A  yes, on posted minutes
     A  A  A  On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Bill Moore

       <[1][1][113][110]bill at incendium.com>

     A  A  A  wrote:
     A  A  A  A  I'm in listening, no problem getting in.
     A  A  A  A  Will there be posted minutes after the meeting ?
     A  A  A  -----Original Message-----
     A  A  A  From: DeTomaso

       [mailto:[2][2][114][111]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of

     A  A  Ray
     A  A  A  Pascarella
     A  A  A  Sent: January-05-16 7:21 PM
     A  A  A  To: L GRAY <[3][3][115][112]tipo874a at msn.com>
     A  A  A  Cc: [4][4][116][113]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A  A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
     A  A  A  Worked fine for me.
     A  A  A  Sent from my iPad

     On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, L GRAY

       <[5][5][117][114]tipo874a at msn.com> wrote:

     I keep getting a recording that "this phone number is not in

     A  A  service"

     AA  AA  A Checked info two times with same

       result........anybody else

     A  A  A  get this
     A  A  A  recording?

     Leslie A. Gray

     On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Michael Shortt

     A  A  A  <[6][6][118][115]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
     A  A  A  wrote:

     AA  [7]1 -[119]872-240-3311
     AA  Code A 968-849-333
     AA  --
     AA  Michael L. Shortt
     AA  Savannah, Georgia
     AA  [1][8][120][116]www.michaelshortt.com
     AA  [2][9][7][121][117]michael at michaelshortt.com
     AA  [10]912-232-9390
     AA  A
     AA  This email is protected by the Electronic Communications

       Privacy

     Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be

       legally

     privileged.AAA  If you are not the intended recipient, you are

     A  A  hereby

     notifiedAA  that any retention, dissemination, distribution or

     A  A  A  copying

     of thisAA  communication is strictly prohibited.AAA  Please

       reply to

     A  A  A  the

     sender thatAA  youAA  have received this message in error,

       then

     A  A  delete

     it.AAA  Thank you
     References
     AA  1. [11][8][122][118]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     AA  2. mailto:[12][9][123][119]michael at michaelshortt.com
     _______________________________________________
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       list

     [13][10][124][120]DeTomaso at poca.com

     A  A  A

       [14][11][125][121]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.co
   m

     To manage your subscription (change email address,

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     A  A  A  the links above.

     _______________________________________________

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       mailing list

     A  A  A  [15][12][126][122]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  A  A

       [16][13][127][123]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.co
   m

     A  A  A  To manage your subscription (change email address,

       unsubscribe, etc.)

     A  A  A  use
     A  A  A  the links above.
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     A  A  A  DeTomaso mailing list
     A  A  A  [17][14][128][124]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  A  A

       [18][15][129][125]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.co
   m

     A  A  A  To manage your subscription (change email address,

       unsubscribe, etc.)

     A  A  A  use the links above.
     A  A  A  --
     A  A  A  Michael L. Shortt
     A  A  A  Savannah, Georgia
     A  A  A  [19][130][126]www.michaelshortt.com
     A  A  A  [20][16][131][127]michael at michaelshortt.com
     A  A  A  [132]912-232-9390
     A  A  A  A
     A  A  A  This email is protected by the Electronic Communications

       Privacy

     A  A  A  Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may

       be legally

     A  A  A  privileged.AA  If you are not the intended recipient,

       you are hereby

     A  A  A  notified
     A  A  A  that any retention, dissemination, distribution or

       copying of this

     A  A  A  communication is strictly prohibited.AA  Please reply to

       the sender

     A  A  that
     A  A  A  you
     A  A  A  have received this message in error, then delete it.AA

       Thank you

     A  A  References
     A  A  A  1. mailto:[17][133][128]bill at incendium.com
     A  A  A  2. mailto:[18][134][129]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
     A  A  A  3. mailto:[19][135][130]tipo874a at msn.com
     A  A  A  4. mailto:[20][136][131]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A  A  5. mailto:[21][137][132]tipo874a at msn.com
     A  A  A  6. mailto:[22][138][133]michaelsavga at gmail.com
     A  A  A  7. [134]tel:1%20-872-240-3311
     A  A  A  8. [23][139][135]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     A  A  A  9. mailto:[24][140][136]michael at michaelshortt.com
     A  A  A  10. [137]tel:[141]912-232-9390
     A  A  A  11. [25][142][138]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     A  A  A  12. mailto:[26][143][139]michael at michaelshortt.com
     A  A  A  13. mailto:[27][144][140]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  A  A  14.

       [28][145][141]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

     A  A  A  15. mailto:[29][146][142]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  A  A  16.

       [30][147][143]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

     A  A  A  17. mailto:[31][148][144]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  A  A  18.

       [32][149][145]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

     A  A  A  19. [33][150][146]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     A  A  A  20. mailto:[34][151][147]michael at michaelshortt.com
     A  A  _______________________________________________
     A  A  Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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     A  A  DeTomaso mailing list
     A  A  [35][152][148]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  A
     [36][153][149]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     A  A  To manage your subscription (change email address,

       unsubscribe, etc.)

     A  A  use the links above.
     References
     A  A  1. mailto:[154][150]bill at incendium.com
     A  A  2. mailto:[155][151]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
     A  A  3. mailto:[156][152]tipo874a at msn.com
     A  A  4. mailto:[157][153]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A  5. mailto:[158][154]tipo874a at msn.com
     A  A  6. mailto:[159][155]michaelsavga at gmail.com
     A  A  7. mailto:[160][156]michael at michaelshortt.com
     A  A  8. [161][157]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     A  A  9. mailto:[162][158]michael at michaelshortt.com
     A  A 10. mailto:[163][159]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  A 11.
     [164][160]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     A  A 12. mailto:[165][161]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  A 13.
     [166][162]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     A  A 14. mailto:[167][163]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  A 15.
     [168][164]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     A  A 16. mailto:[169][165]michael at michaelshortt.com
     A  A 17. mailto:[170][166]bill at incendium.com
     A  A 18. mailto:[171][167]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
     A  A 19. mailto:[172][168]tipo874a at msn.com
     A  A 20. mailto:[173][169]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A 21. mailto:[174][170]tipo874a at msn.com
     A  A 22. mailto:[175][171]michaelsavga at gmail.com
     A  A 23. [176][172]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     A  A 24. mailto:[177][173]michael at michaelshortt.com
     A  A 25. [178][174]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     A  A 26. mailto:[179][175]michael at michaelshortt.com
     A  A 27. mailto:[180][176]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  A 28.
     [181][177]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     A  A 29. mailto:[182][178]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  A 30.
     [183][179]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     A  A 31. mailto:[184][180]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  A 32.
     [185][181]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     A  A 33. [186][182]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     A  A 34. mailto:[187][183]michael at michaelshortt.com
     A  A 35. mailto:[188][184]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  A 36.
     [189][185]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     ------------------------------
     Message: 3
     Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 15:07:40 -0500
     From: Michael Shortt <[190][186]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
     To: scott black <[191][187]timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>
     Cc: Bill Moore <[192][188]bill at incendium.com>,

       "[193][189]detomaso at poca.com"

     A  A  <[194][190]detomaso at poca.com>,A  A  L GRAY

       <[195][191]tipo874a at msn.com>

     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
     Message-ID:
     A  A

       <CAEWtxWpCZzt-0o++-voUs6BbbF=[196][192]bKzfqscK09A1C-WS0GhewtQ at mail
   .gmail
       .com>

     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
     I sent it to the forum Scott,
     there are no secrets any more.
     I will be keeping the membership informed.
     Michael Shortt

     On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:56 PM, scott black

       <[197][193]timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

     I am not sure why I was copied on this email. I have not been

       on the board

     for a few years.
     Thanks,
     Scott Black
     TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration
     [198][194]www.tprm-usa.com
     On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:46 PM, Michael Shortt <
     [199][195]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
     A  A yes, on posted minutes
     A  A On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Bill Moore

       <[1][200][196]bill at incendium.com>

     A  A wrote:
     A  A  A I'm in listening, no problem getting in.
     A  A  A Will there be posted minutes after the meeting ?
     A  A -----Original Message-----
     A  A From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2][201][197]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]

       On Behalf Of Ray

     A  A Pascarella
     A  A Sent: January-05-16 7:21 PM
     A  A To: L GRAY <[3][202][198]tipo874a at msn.com>
     A  A Cc: [4][203][199]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
     A  A Worked fine for me.
     A  A Sent from my iPad

     On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, L GRAY <[5][204][200]tipo874a at msn.com>

       wrote:

     I keep getting a recording that "this phone number is not in

       service"

     AA  AA  A Checked info two times with same

       result........anybody else

     A  A get this
     A  A recording?

     Leslie A. Gray

     On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Michael Shortt

     A  A <[6][205][201]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
     A  A wrote:

     AA  [7]1 -[206]872-240-3311
     AA  Code A 968-849-333
     AA  --
     AA  Michael L. Shortt
     AA  Savannah, Georgia
     AA  [1][8][207][202]www.michaelshortt.com
     AA  [2][9][208][203]michael at michaelshortt.com
     AA  [10]912-232-9390
     AA  A
     AA  This email is protected by the Electronic Communications

       Privacy

     Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be

       legally

     privileged.AAA  If you are not the intended recipient, you

       are hereby

     notifiedAA  that any retention, dissemination, distribution

       or

     A  A copying

     of thisAA  communication is strictly prohibited.AAA  Please

       reply to

     A  A the

     sender thatAA  youAA  have received this message in error,

       then delete

     it.AAA  Thank you
     References
     AA  1. [11][209][204]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     AA  2. mailto:[12][210][205]michael at michaelshortt.com
     _______________________________________________
     Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
     Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing

       list

     [13][211][206]DeTomaso at poca.com

     A  A
     [14][212][207]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

     To manage your subscription (change email address,

       unsubscribe,

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     _______________________________________________

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     A  A [15][213][208]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  A
     [16][214][209]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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     A  A DeTomaso mailing list
     A  A [17][215][210]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  A
     [18][216][211]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     A  A To manage your subscription (change email address,

       unsubscribe, etc.)

     A  A use the links above.
     A  A --
     A  A Michael L. Shortt
     A  A Savannah, Georgia
     A  A [19][217][212]www.michaelshortt.com
     A  A [20][218][213]michael at michaelshortt.com
     A  A [219]912-232-9390
     A  A A
     A  A This email is protected by the Electronic Communications

       Privacy

     A  A Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be

       legally

     A  A privileged.AA  If you are not the intended recipient, you

       are hereby

     A  A notified
     A  A that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying

       of this

     A  A communication is strictly prohibited.AA  Please reply to

       the sender that

     A  A you
     A  A have received this message in error, then delete it.AA

       Thank you

     References
     A  A 1. mailto:[220][214]bill at incendium.com
     A  A 2. mailto:[221][215]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
     A  A 3. mailto:[222][216]tipo874a at msn.com
     A  A 4. mailto:[223][217]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A 5. mailto:[224][218]tipo874a at msn.com
     A  A 6. mailto:[225][219]michaelsavga at gmail.com
     A  A 7. [220]tel:1%20-872-240-3311
     A  A 8. [226][221]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     A  A 9. mailto:[227][222]michael at michaelshortt.com
     A  A 10. [223]tel:912-232-9390
     A  A 11. [228][224]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     A  A 12. mailto:[229][225]michael at michaelshortt.com
     A  A 13. mailto:[230][226]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  A 14.
     [231][227]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     A  A 15. mailto:[232][228]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  A 16.
     [233][229]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     A  A 17. mailto:[234][230]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  A 18.
     [235][231]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     A  A 19. [236][232]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     A  A 20. mailto:[237][233]michael at michaelshortt.com
     _______________________________________________
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     [239][235]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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     [240][236]DeTomaso at poca.com
     [241][237]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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     [242][238]DeTomaso at poca.com
     [243][239]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,

       etc.) use the links above.
       _______________________________________________
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       [244][240]DeTomaso at poca.com
       [245][241]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
       To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
       etc.) use the links above.
   References
     1. [242]mailto:kirbyschrader at mac.com
     2. [243]mailto:cengles at cox.net
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