[DeTomaso] Gas Tank removal

Julian Kift julian_kift at hotmail.com
Fri Jan 8 18:11:11 EST 2016


Yeah sorry, it became an NPC thread, but you were talking Firebird then the last paragraph seemed to be Pantera related and some folks do have an electric in tank pump on a Pantera. I wouldn't recommend you cut the firewall on a Firebird, it could end in a fireball....


Julian

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From: Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 2:51 PM
To: Julian Kift
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Gas Tank removal

Uh, heh ??

The awesome hole on top of the tank in a Firebird is nicely blocked by the bottom of the trunk. No hole in the trunk AND the pump has metal fuel lines that must be cut in order to remove the pump.

It is a very nice design, they install the pump in the tank, then they attach the tank from below and then they hook up the exhaust, more complicated on the convertible due to extra reinforcements. Somewhat similar to the Maserati Biturbo evaporator core: they put the evaporator core on the ground and build the entire car around it.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>> wrote:
If the electric fuel pump is inside the tank one assumes it got in there through the hole where the fuel pickup/sender is located on the top of the tank? That being the case then it should be removable via that same hole and hence with the tank in the car. The fuel sender/pickup (and your electric pump) can be accessed by removing the rear quarter window and working through the opening.

Julian
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Gas Tank removal

I might use the "Schrader approach". I hate those designs, especially the
one in my '92 convertible Firebird.

Simple failure: car sat for 1 year, electric fuel pump died. Of course, it
is inside the tank, in order to replace it one must drop the tank, which
means dropping/cutting the exhaust and dropping a bit the differential.

Soviet military approach will be used like on the case of the other
Firebirds affected by this problem (87, 88, 90): cut foldable access hole
in the trunk, cut metal fuel lines and splice them with fuel hoses so that
the fuel pump can be replaced within half an hour on subsequent future
failures (since Chinese components are SOOO good). Supposedly this approach
is used in Toyota's (designed properly from the beginning and not to rip
off the customer in the long run). But then I do not like Jap cars because
of the shape and political reasons...

Hmmm. How difficult is to cut the firewall and how does one reinforce it
back in order to protect from a potential future explosion ? Does anyone
make a different gas tank that has a shape that allows removal without
engine removal first ?

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:09 AM, Kirby Schrader <kirbyschrader at mac.com<mailto:kirbyschrader at mac.com>>
wrote:

> Oh my....
> The 'Schrader approach'?
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone 6+
>
> > On Jan 8, 2016, at 07:03, cengles at cox.net<mailto:cengles at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Owen,
> >
> >
> >               Yes, you must remove the drive train unless you care to
> use the Schrader approach and cut out the firewall behind the driver's seat
> to remove the gas tank from the front.....
> >
> >
> >               Bad news with the standard approach: You have to remove
> the drive train
> >
> >                Good news with the standard approach: the gas tank
> removal is remarkably easy with the engine out of the way
> > you'll have access to that nook and cranny
> > you'll have even better access to the engine bay for your complete
> rustproofing and other modifications
> > you'll have your engine out and accessible for cleaning, fixing and
> modifications including rebuilding
> > you'll have your ZF out and accessible for cleaning and fixing
> >
> >
> >                         Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 4:41 AM, Owen Cooke wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Pantera guys
> >>
> >> I am finishing off rustproofing a Pantera i bought recently but i am
> concerned about the gas tank
> >> i would like to take it out and deal with the areas behind it as this
> is the only  piece of the car not reworked by me
> >> i am also concerned baout the tank itself
> >>
> >> what i want to know is - can the tank be removed with the engine in
> place
> >> or would i have to take out the engine and or the suspension ??
> >>
> >> your advice would be appreciated
> >>
> >> best regards owen cooke dublin
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> >>> ? 11. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>> ? 12. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> >>> ? 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
> >>> ? 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>> ? 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
> >>> ? 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>> ? 17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
> >>> ? 18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>> ? 19. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>> ? 20. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>>
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> >>>   -------------- next part --------------
> >>>    I am not sure why I was copied on this email. I have not been on the
> >>>    board for a few years.
> >>>    Thanks,
> >>>    Scott Black
> >>>
> >>>    TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration
> >>>    www.tprm-usa.com<http://www.tprm-usa.com>
> >>>    On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:46 PM, Michael Shortt
> >>>    <michaelsavga at gmail.com<mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>      yes, on posted minutes
> >>>      On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Bill Moore <[1][1]
> bill at incendium.com<mailto:bill at incendium.com>>
> >>>      wrote:
> >>>        I'm in listening, no problem getting in.
> >>>        Will there be posted minutes after the meeting ?
> >>>      -----Original Message-----
> >>>      From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2][2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>] On
> Behalf Of
> >>>    Ray
> >>>      Pascarella
> >>>      Sent: January-05-16 7:21 PM
> >>>      To: L GRAY <[3][3]tipo874a at msn.com<mailto:tipo874a at msn.com>>
> >>>      Cc: [4][4]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
> >>>      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
> >>>      Worked fine for me.
> >>>      Sent from my iPad
> >>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, L GRAY <[5][5]tipo874a at msn.com<mailto:tipo874a at msn.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I keep getting a recording that "this phone number is not in
> >>>    service"
> >>>> A  A  A Checked info two times with same result........anybody else
> >>>      get this
> >>>      recording?
> >>>>
> >>>> Leslie A. Gray
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Michael Shortt
> >>>      <[6][6]michaelsavga at gmail.com<mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com>>
> >>>      wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A  [7]1 -872-240-3311<tel:872-240-3311>
> >>>>> A  Code A 968-849-333
> >>>>> A  --
> >>>>> A  Michael L. Shortt
> >>>>> A  Savannah, Georgia
> >>>>> A  [1][8]www.michaelshortt.com<http://www.michaelshortt.com>
> >>>>> A  [2][9][7]michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> >>>>> A  [10]912-232-9390
> >>>>> A  A
> >>>>> A  This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
> >>>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
> >>>>> privileged.AA  If you are not the intended recipient, you are
> >>>    hereby
> >>>>> notifiedA  that any retention, dissemination, distribution or
> >>>      copying
> >>>>> of thisA  communication is strictly prohibited.AA  Please reply to
> >>>      the
> >>>>> sender thatA  youA  have received this message in error, then
> >>>    delete
> >>>>> it.AA  Thank you
> >>>>>
> >>>>> References
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A  1. [11][8]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>>> A  2. mailto:[12][9]michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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> >>>      [14][11]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
> >>>      etc.) use
> >>>      the links above.
> >>>>
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> etc.)
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> >>>      [17][14]DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
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> >>>      To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
> etc.)
> >>>      use the links above.
> >>>      --
> >>>      Michael L. Shortt
> >>>      Savannah, Georgia
> >>>      [19]www.michaelshortt.com<http://www.michaelshortt.com>
> >>>      [20][16]michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> >>>      912-232-9390<tel:912-232-9390>
> >>>      A
> >>>      This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
> >>>      Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
> >>>      privileged.A  If you are not the intended recipient, you are
> hereby
> >>>      notified
> >>>      that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
> >>>      communication is strictly prohibited.A  Please reply to the sender
> >>>    that
> >>>      you
> >>>      have received this message in error, then delete it.A  Thank you
> >>>    References
> >>>      1. mailto:[17]bill at incendium.com<mailto:bill at incendium.com>
> >>>      2. mailto:[18]detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>
> >>>      3. mailto:[19]tipo874a at msn.com<mailto:tipo874a at msn.com>
> >>>      4. mailto:[20]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
> >>>      5. mailto:[21]tipo874a at msn.com<mailto:tipo874a at msn.com>
> >>>      6. mailto:[22]michaelsavga at gmail.com<mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> >>>      7. tel:1%20-872-240-3311
> >>>      8. [23]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>      9. mailto:[24]michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> >>>      10. tel:912-232-9390<tel:912-232-9390>
> >>>      11. [25]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>      12. mailto:[26]michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> >>>      13. mailto:[27]DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
> >>>      14. [28]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>      15. mailto:[29]DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
> >>>      16. [30]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>      17. mailto:[31]DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
> >>>      18. [32]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>      19. [33]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>      20. mailto:[34]michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> >>>    _______________________________________________
> >>>    Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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> >>>    [35]DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
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> >>>    To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
> etc.)
> >>>    use the links above.
> >>>
> >>> References
> >>>
> >>>    1. mailto:bill at incendium.com<mailto:bill at incendium.com>
> >>>    2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>
> >>>    3. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com<mailto:tipo874a at msn.com>
> >>>    4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
> >>>    5. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com<mailto:tipo874a at msn.com>
> >>>    6. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com<mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> >>>    7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> >>>    8. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>    9. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> >>>   10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
> >>>   11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>   12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
> >>>   13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>   14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
> >>>   15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>   16. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> >>>   17. mailto:bill at incendium.com<mailto:bill at incendium.com>
> >>>   18. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>
> >>>   19. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com<mailto:tipo874a at msn.com>
> >>>   20. mailto:detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
> >>>   21. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com<mailto:tipo874a at msn.com>
> >>>   22. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com<mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> >>>   23. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>   24. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> >>>   25. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>   26. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> >>>   27. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
> >>>   28. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>   29. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
> >>>   30. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>   31. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
> >>>   32. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>   33. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>   34. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> >>>   35. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
> >>>   36. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Message: 3
> >>> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 15:07:40 -0500
> >>> From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com<mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com>>
> >>> To: scott black <timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com<mailto:timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>>
> >>> Cc: Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com<mailto:bill at incendium.com>>, "detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>"
> >>>    <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>,    L GRAY <tipo874a at msn.com<mailto:tipo874a at msn.com>>
> >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
> >>> Message-ID:
> >>>    <CAEWtxWpCZzt-0o++-voUs6BbbF=bKzfqscK09A1C-WS0GhewtQ at mail.gmail.com<mailto:bKzfqscK09A1C-WS0GhewtQ at mail.gmail.com>
> >
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>>
> >>> I sent it to the forum Scott,
> >>> there are no secrets any more.
> >>>
> >>> I will be keeping the membership informed.
> >>>
> >>> Michael Shortt
> >>>
> >>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:56 PM, scott black <timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com<mailto:timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I am not sure why I was copied on this email. I have not been on the
> board
> >>>> for a few years.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Scott Black
> >>>>
> >>>> TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration
> >>>> www.tprm-usa.com<http://www.tprm-usa.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:46 PM, Michael Shortt <
> >>>> michaelsavga at gmail.com<mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   yes, on posted minutes
> >>>>
> >>>>   On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Bill Moore <[1]bill at incendium.com<mailto:bill at incendium.com>>
> >>>>   wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>     I'm in listening, no problem getting in.
> >>>>     Will there be posted minutes after the meeting ?
> >>>>
> >>>>   -----Original Message-----
> >>>>   From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>] On Behalf Of
> Ray
> >>>>   Pascarella
> >>>>   Sent: January-05-16 7:21 PM
> >>>>   To: L GRAY <[3]tipo874a at msn.com<mailto:tipo874a at msn.com>>
> >>>>   Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
> >>>>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
> >>>>   Worked fine for me.
> >>>>   Sent from my iPad
> >>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, L GRAY <[5]tipo874a at msn.com<mailto:tipo874a at msn.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I keep getting a recording that "this phone number is not in service"
> >>>>> A  A  A Checked info two times with same result........anybody else
> >>>>   get this
> >>>>   recording?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Leslie A. Gray
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Michael Shortt
> >>>>   <[6]michaelsavga at gmail.com<mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com>>
> >>>>   wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A  [7]1 -872-240-3311<tel:872-240-3311>
> >>>>>> A  Code A 968-849-333
> >>>>>> A  --
> >>>>>> A  Michael L. Shortt
> >>>>>> A  Savannah, Georgia
> >>>>>> A  [1][8]www.michaelshortt.com<http://www.michaelshortt.com>
> >>>>>> A  [2][9]michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> >>>>>> A  [10]912-232-9390
> >>>>>> A  A
> >>>>>> A  This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
> >>>>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
> >>>>>> privileged.AA  If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
> >>>>>> notifiedA  that any retention, dissemination, distribution or
> >>>>   copying
> >>>>>> of thisA  communication is strictly prohibited.AA  Please reply to
> >>>>   the
> >>>>>> sender thatA  youA  have received this message in error, then delete
> >>>>>> it.AA  Thank you
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> References
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A  1. [11]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>>>> A  2. mailto:[12]michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>   [14]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
> >>>>   etc.) use
> >>>>   the links above.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>   _______________________________________________
> >>>>   Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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> >>>>   [15]DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
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> >>>>   To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
> etc.)
> >>>>   use
> >>>>   the links above.
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> >>>>   [17]DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
> >>>>   [18]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>>   To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
> etc.)
> >>>>   use the links above.
> >>>>
> >>>>   --
> >>>>   Michael L. Shortt
> >>>>   Savannah, Georgia
> >>>>   [19]www.michaelshortt.com<http://www.michaelshortt.com>
> >>>>   [20]michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> >>>>   912-232-9390<tel:912-232-9390>
> >>>>   A
> >>>>   This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
> >>>>   Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
> >>>>   privileged.A  If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
> >>>>   notified
> >>>>   that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
> >>>>   communication is strictly prohibited.A  Please reply to the sender
> that
> >>>>   you
> >>>>   have received this message in error, then delete it.A  Thank you
> >>>>
> >>>> References
> >>>>
> >>>>   1. mailto:bill at incendium.com<mailto:bill at incendium.com>
> >>>>   2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>
> >>>>   3. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com<mailto:tipo874a at msn.com>
> >>>>   4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
> >>>>   5. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com<mailto:tipo874a at msn.com>
> >>>>   6. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com<mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> >>>>   7. tel:1%20-872-240-3311
> >>>>   8. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>>   9. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> >>>>   10. tel:912-232-9390
> >>>>   11. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>>   12. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> >>>>   13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
> >>>>   14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>>   15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
> >>>>   16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>>   17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
> >>>>   18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>>>   19. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
> >>>>   20. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com<mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
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   Yeah sorry, it became an NPC thread, but you were talking Firebird then
   the last paragraph seemed to be Pantera related and some folks do have
   an electric in tank pump on a Pantera. I wouldn't recommend you cut the
   firewall on a Firebird, it could end in a fireball....

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>
   Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 2:51 PM
   To: Julian Kift
   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Gas Tank removal

   Uh, heh ??
   The awesome hole on top of the tank in a Firebird is nicely blocked by
   the bottom of the trunk. No hole in the trunk AND the pump has metal
   fuel lines that must be cut in order to remove the pump.
   It is a very nice design, they install the pump in the tank, then they
   attach the tank from below and then they hook up the exhaust, more
   complicated on the convertible due to extra reinforcements. Somewhat
   similar to the Maserati Biturbo evaporator core: they put the
   evaporator core on the ground and build the entire car around it.
   On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Julian Kift
   <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:

     If the electric fuel pump is inside the tank one assumes it got in
     there through the hole where the fuel pickup/sender is located on
     the top of the tank? That being the case then it should be removable
     via that same hole and hence with the tank in the car. The fuel
     sender/pickup (and your electric pump) can be accessed by removing
     the rear quarter window and working through the opening.
     Julian
     ________________________________________
     From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Konrad
     Szwab <[3]kszwab at gmail.com>
     Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 6:38 AM
     To: DeTomaso Mail List
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Gas Tank removal
     I might use the "Schrader approach". I hate those designs,
     especially the
     one in my '92 convertible Firebird.
     Simple failure: car sat for 1 year, electric fuel pump died. Of
     course, it
     is inside the tank, in order to replace it one must drop the tank,
     which
     means dropping/cutting the exhaust and dropping a bit the
     differential.
     Soviet military approach will be used like on the case of the other
     Firebirds affected by this problem (87, 88, 90): cut foldable access
     hole
     in the trunk, cut metal fuel lines and splice them with fuel hoses
     so that
     the fuel pump can be replaced within half an hour on subsequent
     future
     failures (since Chinese components are SOOO good). Supposedly this
     approach
     is used in Toyota's (designed properly from the beginning and not to
     rip
     off the customer in the long run). But then I do not like Jap cars
     because
     of the shape and political reasons...
     Hmmm. How difficult is to cut the firewall and how does one
     reinforce it
     back in order to protect from a potential future explosion ? Does
     anyone
     make a different gas tank that has a shape that allows removal
     without
     engine removal first ?
     On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:09 AM, Kirby Schrader
     <[4]kirbyschrader at mac.com>
     wrote:
     > Oh my....
     > The 'Schrader approach'?
     >
     >
     >
     > Sent from my iPhone 6+
     >
     > > On Jan 8, 2016, at 07:03, [5]cengles at cox.net wrote:
     > >
     > > Dear Owen,
     > >
     > >
     > >               Yes, you must remove the drive train unless you
     care to
     > use the Schrader approach and cut out the firewall behind the
     driver's seat
     > to remove the gas tank from the front.....
     > >
     > >
     > >               Bad news with the standard approach: You have to
     remove
     > the drive train
     > >
     > >                Good news with the standard approach: the gas
     tank
     > removal is remarkably easy with the engine out of the way
     > > you'll have access to that nook and cranny
     > > you'll have even better access to the engine bay for your
     complete
     > rustproofing and other modifications
     > > you'll have your engine out and accessible for cleaning, fixing
     and
     > modifications including rebuilding
     > > you'll have your ZF out and accessible for cleaning and fixing
     > >
     > >
     > >                         Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
     > >
     > >
     > >
     > >> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 4:41 AM, Owen Cooke wrote:
     > >>
     > >> Hello Pantera guys
     > >>
     > >> I am finishing off rustproofing a Pantera i bought recently but
     i am
     > concerned about the gas tank
     > >> i would like to take it out and deal with the areas behind it
     as this
     > is the only  piece of the car not reworked by me
     > >> i am also concerned baout the tank itself
     > >>
     > >> what i want to know is - can the tank be removed with the
     engine in
     > place
     > >> or would i have to take out the engine and or the suspension ??
     > >>
     > >> your advice would be appreciated
     > >>
     > >> best regards owen cooke dublin
     > >>
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     > >>>
     > >>>    1. Re: Tom Tjaarda on Creativity (Larry - Ohio Time)
     > >>>    2. Re: 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call (scott black)
     > >>>    3. Re: 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call (Michael Shortt)
     > >>>    4. More Anti-Footbal Pics, comments, was Re:  Anti Football
     Run
     > >>>       (Guido deTomaso)
     > >>>    5. Fwd: DeTomaso post from [11]michaelsavga at gmail.com
     requires
     > >>>       approval (Michael Shortt)
     > >>>    6. Re: Gray makes the grade! (Tomas Gunnarsson)
     > >>>    7. 2016 Jan POCA BOD Meeting (Michael Shortt)
     > >>>    8. Re: Fwd: DeTomaso post from [12]michaelsavga at gmail.com
       requires
     > >>>       approval (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
     > >>>    9. Panteras at Le Mans Classic (davek)
     > >>>   10. Re: Congratulations (Mike Thomas)
     > >>>   11. Re: Congratulations (Mike Reilly)
     > >>>   12. Re: More Anti-Footbal Pics, comments,    was Re:  Anti
     Football
     > >>>       Run ([13]MikeLDrew at aol.com)
     > >>>   13. Re: Gray makes the grade! ([14]MikeLDrew at aol.com)
     > >>>   14. Re: More Anti-Footbal Pics, comments, was Re: Anti
     Football
     > >>>       Run (Michael Shortt)
     > >>>   15. Re: More Anti-Footbal Pics, comments,    was Re: Anti
     Football
     > >>>       Run ([15]MikeLDrew at aol.com)
     > >>>   16. Re: Tom Tjaarda on Creativity (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
     > >>>   17. POCA mart (Paul A Rimov)
     > >>>   18. Re: Congratulations (Michael Haney)
     > >>>   19. Wheels and Tires, was Re:  More Anti-Footbal Pics,
     comments,
     > >>>       was Re: Anti Football Run (Guido deTomaso)
     > >>>
     > >>>
     > >>>
     --------------------------------------------------------------------
     --
     > >>>
     > >>> Message: 1
     > >>> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 14:07:26 -0500
     > >>> From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <[16]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
     > >>> To: "'Himes, Terry \(397C\)'" <[17]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
     > >>> Cc: "'Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List'" <[18]detomaso at poca.com>
     > >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
     > >>> Message-ID: <1E0F81F4FDBB4E17880A6361501BDFB0 at LarryHPPC>
     > >>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
     > >>>
     > >>> << criticized for putting too much sex into his fiction >>
     > >>>
     > >>> Is that even possible??
     > >>>
     > >>> Larry (may as well read about it) - Cleveland
     > >>>
     > >>>
     > >>> -----Original Message-----
     > >>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[19]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
     Behalf Of Himes,
     > Terry (397C)
     > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 12:08 PM
     > >>> To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; 'Michael Shortt'
     > >>> Cc: [20]detomaso at poca.com
     > >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
     > >>>
     > >>> He should just give the narration and someone else could write
     it?
     > Called collaboration.
     > >>>
     > >>> Gentry Lee (JPL) did this with Arthur C. Clark on several
     books. Also
     > collaborated with Carl Sagan's 1980 COSMOS.
     > >>> Gentry is a VERY colorful character here on lab.  Highly
     criticized
     > for putting too much sex into his fiction.
     > >>> I think he has been married 7 times and has 8 children  (or is
     it
     > married 8 times with 7 children. ;-)  All boys.
     > >>> Working with him is a hoot.   2 beer story.
     > >>>
     > >>>
     > >>>
     > >>>
     > >>> "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
     > >>>   exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has
     tried
     > >>>   to contact us!"
     > >>>
     > >>> Terry W. Himes
     > >>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
     > >>> InSight Sequence Team Lead
     > >>> Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
     > >>> Phone: [21](818) 393-6261
     > >>> Cell:     [22](818) 653-8213
     > >>> Fax:     [23](818) 393-3147
     > >>> [24]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:[25]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
     > >>> ??
     > >>>
     > >>> From: DeTomaso <[26]detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:
     > [27]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on behalf of "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr."
     <
     > [28]byrdjf at embarqmail.com<mailto:[29]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>>
     > >>> Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 8:40 AM
     > >>> To: 'Michael Shortt' <[30]michaelsavga at gmail.com<mailto:
     > [31]michaelsavga at gmail.com>>
     > >>> Cc: "[32]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[33]detomaso at poca.com>"
     <[34]detomaso at poca.com
     > <mailto:[35]detomaso at poca.com>>
     > >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
     > >>>
     > >>> Trying to compose my thoughts on the review of the recent
     released
     > deTomaso book, I was trying to figure out how to express the
     desire for a
     > book not documenting the people that are responsible for the
     Pantera, but
     > could a book be about the development of the Pantera detailing the
     work of
     > those people, more of an technical/engineering/design
     documentation.
     > >>>
     > >>> Then reading the stories of meetings with Tom Tjaarda and how
     much he
     > enjoys sharing the details of his work, I realized the only one
     that could
     > write a book that would be of a highly technical aspect would be T
     > Tjaarda.  If he would undertake such a task, I would hope he could
     gather
     > the recollection of the engineers he worked with.
     > >>>
     > >>> I was also thinking if I attend Hilton Head event, what ?item?
     would I
     > want personalized by Tjaarda.  I would think a reproduction of one
     of the
     > construction drawings during the design would be my most lusted
     after.
     > >>>
     > >>> Could POCA ask if he would?
     > >>>
     > >>> Joe in NC/5177
     > >>>
     > >>> -----Original Message-----
     > >>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[36]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
     Behalf Of
     > Michael Shortt
     > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 10:17 AM
     > >>> To: David; Jeff Cobb
     > >>> Cc: [37]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[38]detomaso at poca.com>
     > >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
     > >>>
     > >>> Good Morning,
     > >>>
     > >>> Tom has accepted my invitation to be a Special Guest Judge at
     the 2016
     > Hiltion Head Island Motoring Festival and Concours.
     > >>> He will be hosting and judging a special Detomaso exhibit on
     Saturday
     > and be a Special Guest Judge on Sunday at the Concours.
     > >>> Additionally, he has agreed to come one week early and attend
     the
     > Speed Classic races as my guest.
     > >>>
     > >>> I will be seeking supreme examples of all Detomaso cars, we
     are
     > limited to 12.
     > >>>
     > >>> I would like a authentic factory racer, a GT5-S, a Targa, GTS,
     Pre L,
     > L, L GTS, Deauville, Longchamp, Vallelunga and a Isis Race car.
     > >>>
     > >>> The concours dates are November 5 and 6
     > >>> the spped classic will be Oct 28,29 and 30.
     > >>>
     > >>> If I can arrange enough Pantera Race cars, we will also have
     an
     > opportunity for a sprint race each day.
     > >>>
     > >>> additionally, I have invited the Aston Martin Lagonda, Fiat
     124 and MB
     > Pagoda owners to attend the car corral on Saturday, Oct 29th
     during the
     > speed classic,  I will be extending this offer to all Detomaso
     owners as
     > well.
     > >>> Drive your aforementioned car and get into the race for free
     that day.
     > >>>
     > >>> Savannah is lovely in fall, if you can attend, please do, when
     the new
     > website is up, we will post a registration area.
     > >>>
     > >>> If you have a car suitable for the concours, please send info
     and lots
     > of photos to me.
     > >>>
     > >>> Michael Shortt
     > >>> President
     > >>> POCA
     > >>>
     > >>>
     > >>>
     > >>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:54 AM, David
     <[39]adin at frontier.net<mailto:
     > [40]adin at frontier.net>> wrote:
     > >>>
     > >>>     Jeff, 14 of these cars were made. Contemporary to the
     330GTC, it
     > >>>     featured pop up driving lights. That must have been bugly!
     > >>>
     > >>>     Cheers,
     > >>>
     > >>>     David
     > >>>
     > >>>     Sent from my little handheld gizmo.
     > >>>
     > >>>     On Jan 5, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Jeff Detrich
     <[1][41]jjdetrich at gmail.com
     > <mailto:[42]jjdetrich at gmail.com>>
     > >>>     wrote:
     > >>>
     > >>>     Check out the nose of the Ferrari. I wonder what the
     circles are
     > for?
     > >>>     They are cutouts for something.
     > >>>     Jeff
     > >>>     6559
     > >>>     <image.png>
     > >>>     On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:52 PM, David
     <[2][43]adin at frontier.net
     > <mailto:[44]adin at frontier.net>> wrote:
     > >>>
     > >>>       Interesting article. Wish I could sit down with Tom for
     a quiet
     > hour
     > >>>       and yak about this stuff. Enjoy.
     > >>>
     [3][45]http://www.velocetoday.com/tom-tjaarda-on-creativity/
     > >>>       Sent from my little handheld gizmo.
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     > >>> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 19:56:32 +0000 (UTC)
     > >>> From: scott black <[64]timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>
     > >>> To: Michael Shortt <[65]michaelsavga at gmail.com>, Bill Moore
     > >>>    <[66]bill at incendium.com>
     > >>> Cc: "[67]detomaso at poca.com" <[68]detomaso at poca.com>, L GRAY
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     > >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
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     > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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     > >>> I am not sure why I was copied on this email. I have not been
     on the
     > board for a few years.
     > >>> Thanks,
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     > >>> Scott Black
     > >>> ?TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration
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     > >>>     On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:46 PM, Michael Shortt <
     > [72]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
     > >>>
     > >>>  ? yes, on posted minutes
     > >>>
     > >>> ? On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Bill Moore
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     > >>> ? wrote:
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     > >>> ? ? I'm in listening, no problem getting in.
     > >>> ? ? Will there be posted minutes after the meeting ?
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     > >>> ? -----Original Message-----
     > >>> ? From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2][74]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
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     > >>> ? Cc: [4][76]detomaso at poca.com
     > >>> ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
     > >>> ? Worked fine for me.
     > >>> ? Sent from my iPad
     > >>> ? > On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, L GRAY
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     > >>>    I am not sure why I was copied on this email. I have not
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     > >>>    board for a few years.
     > >>>    Thanks,
     > >>>    Scott Black
     > >>>
     > >>>    TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing
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     > >>>    [114]www.tprm-usa.com
     > >>>    On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:46 PM, Michael Shortt
     > >>>    <[115]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
     > >>>      yes, on posted minutes
     > >>>      On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Bill Moore <[1][1]
     > [116]bill at incendium.com>
     > >>>      wrote:
     > >>>        I'm in listening, no problem getting in.
     > >>>        Will there be posted minutes after the meeting ?
     > >>>      -----Original Message-----
     > >>>      From: DeTomaso
     [mailto:[2][2][117]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
     > Behalf Of
     > >>>    Ray
     > >>>      Pascarella
     > >>>      Sent: January-05-16 7:21 PM
     > >>>      To: L GRAY <[3][3][118]tipo874a at msn.com>
     > >>>      Cc: [4][4][119]detomaso at poca.com
     > >>>      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
     > >>>      Worked fine for me.
     > >>>      Sent from my iPad
     > >>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, L GRAY
     <[5][5][120]tipo874a at msn.com> wrote:
     > >>>>
     > >>>> I keep getting a recording that "this phone number is not in
     > >>>    service"
     > >>>> A  A  A Checked info two times with same
     result........anybody else
     > >>>      get this
     > >>>      recording?
     > >>>>
     > >>>> Leslie A. Gray
     > >>>>
     > >>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Michael Shortt
     > >>>      <[6][6][121]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
     > >>>      wrote:
     > >>>>>
     > >>>>> A  [7]1 -[122]872-240-3311
     > >>>>> A  Code A 968-849-333
     > >>>>> A  --
     > >>>>> A  Michael L. Shortt
     > >>>>> A  Savannah, Georgia
     > >>>>> A  [1][8][123]www.michaelshortt.com
     > >>>>> A  [2][9][7][124]michael at michaelshortt.com
     > >>>>> A  [10]912-232-9390
     > >>>>> A  A
     > >>>>> A  This email is protected by the Electronic Communications
     Privacy
     > >>>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be
     legally
     > >>>>> privileged.AA  If you are not the intended recipient, you
     are
     > >>>    hereby
     > >>>>> notifiedA  that any retention, dissemination, distribution
     or
     > >>>      copying
     > >>>>> of thisA  communication is strictly prohibited.AA  Please
     reply to
     > >>>      the
     > >>>>> sender thatA  youA  have received this message in error,
     then
     > >>>    delete
     > >>>>> it.AA  Thank you
     > >>>>>
     > >>>>> References
     > >>>>>
     > >>>>> A  1. [11][8][125]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     > >>>>> A  2. mailto:[12][9][126]michael at michaelshortt.com
     > >>>>> _______________________________________________
     > >>>>>
     > >>>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
     > >>>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing
     list
     > >>>>> [13][10][127]DeTomaso at poca.com
     > >>>
     [14][11][128]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     > >>>>>
     > >>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address,
     unsubscribe,
     > >>>      etc.) use
     > >>>      the links above.
     > >>>>
     > >>>> _______________________________________________
     > >>>      _______________________________________________
     > >>>      Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
     > >>>      Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso
     mailing list
     > >>>      [15][12][129]DeTomaso at poca.com
     > >>>
     [16][13][130]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     > >>>      To manage your subscription (change email address,
     unsubscribe,
     > etc.)
     > >>>      use
     > >>>      the links above.
     > >>>      _______________________________________________
     > >>>      Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
     > >>>      Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
     > >>>      DeTomaso mailing list
     > >>>      [17][14][131]DeTomaso at poca.com
     > >>>
     [18][15][132]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     > >>>      To manage your subscription (change email address,
     unsubscribe,
     > etc.)
     > >>>      use the links above.
     > >>>      --
     > >>>      Michael L. Shortt
     > >>>      Savannah, Georgia
     > >>>      [19][133]www.michaelshortt.com
     > >>>      [20][16][134]michael at michaelshortt.com
     > >>>      [135]912-232-9390
     > >>>      A
     > >>>      This email is protected by the Electronic Communications
     Privacy
     > >>>      Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be
     legally
     > >>>      privileged.A  If you are not the intended recipient, you
     are
     > hereby
     > >>>      notified
     > >>>      that any retention, dissemination, distribution or
     copying of this
     > >>>      communication is strictly prohibited.A  Please reply to
     the sender
     > >>>    that
     > >>>      you
     > >>>      have received this message in error, then delete it.A
     Thank you
     > >>>    References
     > >>>      1. mailto:[17][136]bill at incendium.com
     > >>>      2. mailto:[18][137]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
     > >>>      3. mailto:[19][138]tipo874a at msn.com
     > >>>      4. mailto:[20][139]detomaso at poca.com
     > >>>      5. mailto:[21][140]tipo874a at msn.com
     > >>>      6. mailto:[22][141]michaelsavga at gmail.com
     > >>>      7. tel:1%20-872-240-3311
     > >>>      8. [23][142]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     > >>>      9. mailto:[24][143]michael at michaelshortt.com
     > >>>      10. tel:[144]912-232-9390
     > >>>      11. [25][145]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     > >>>      12. mailto:[26][146]michael at michaelshortt.com
     > >>>      13. mailto:[27][147]DeTomaso at poca.com
     > >>>      14.
     [28][148]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     > >>>      15. mailto:[29][149]DeTomaso at poca.com
     > >>>      16.
     [30][150]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     > >>>      17. mailto:[31][151]DeTomaso at poca.com
     > >>>      18.
     [32][152]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     > >>>      19. [33][153]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     > >>>      20. mailto:[34][154]michael at michaelshortt.com
     > >>>    _______________________________________________
     > >>>    Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
     > >>>    Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
     > >>>    DeTomaso mailing list
     > >>>    [35][155]DeTomaso at poca.com
     > >>>    [36][156]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     > >>>    To manage your subscription (change email address,
     unsubscribe,
     > etc.)
     > >>>    use the links above.
     > >>>
     > >>> References
     > >>>
     > >>>    1. mailto:[157]bill at incendium.com
     > >>>    2. mailto:[158]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
     > >>>    3. mailto:[159]tipo874a at msn.com
     > >>>    4. mailto:[160]detomaso at poca.com
     > >>>    5. mailto:[161]tipo874a at msn.com
     > >>>    6. mailto:[162]michaelsavga at gmail.com
     > >>>    7. mailto:[163]michael at michaelshortt.com
     > >>>    8. [164]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     > >>>    9. mailto:[165]michael at michaelshortt.com
     > >>>   10. mailto:[166]DeTomaso at poca.com
     > >>>   11. [167]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     > >>>   12. mailto:[168]DeTomaso at poca.com
     > >>>   13. [169]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     > >>>   14. mailto:[170]DeTomaso at poca.com
     > >>>   15. [171]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     > >>>   16. mailto:[172]michael at michaelshortt.com
     > >>>   17. mailto:[173]bill at incendium.com
     > >>>   18. mailto:[174]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
     > >>>   19. mailto:[175]tipo874a at msn.com
     > >>>   20. mailto:[176]detomaso at poca.com
     > >>>   21. mailto:[177]tipo874a at msn.com
     > >>>   22. mailto:[178]michaelsavga at gmail.com
     > >>>   23. [179]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     > >>>   24. mailto:[180]michael at michaelshortt.com
     > >>>   25. [181]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     > >>>   26. mailto:[182]michael at michaelshortt.com
     > >>>   27. mailto:[183]DeTomaso at poca.com
     > >>>   28. [184]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     > >>>   29. mailto:[185]DeTomaso at poca.com
     > >>>   30. [186]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     > >>>   31. mailto:[187]DeTomaso at poca.com
     > >>>   32. [188]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     > >>>   33. [189]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     > >>>   34. mailto:[190]michael at michaelshortt.com
     > >>>   35. mailto:[191]DeTomaso at poca.com
     > >>>   36. [192]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     > >>>
     > >>> ------------------------------
     > >>>
     > >>> Message: 3
     > >>> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 15:07:40 -0500
     > >>> From: Michael Shortt <[193]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
     > >>> To: scott black <[194]timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>
     > >>> Cc: Bill Moore <[195]bill at incendium.com>,
     "[196]detomaso at poca.com"
     > >>>    <[197]detomaso at poca.com>,    L GRAY <[198]tipo874a at msn.com>
     > >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
     > >>> Message-ID:
     > >>>
     <CAEWtxWpCZzt-0o++-voUs6BbbF=[199]bKzfqscK09A1C-WS0GhewtQ at mail.gmail
     .com
     > >
     > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
     > >>>
     > >>> I sent it to the forum Scott,
     > >>> there are no secrets any more.
     > >>>
     > >>> I will be keeping the membership informed.
     > >>>
     > >>> Michael Shortt
     > >>>
     > >>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:56 PM, scott black
     <[200]timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>
     > wrote:
     > >>>>
     > >>>> I am not sure why I was copied on this email. I have not been
     on the
     > board
     > >>>> for a few years.
     > >>>>
     > >>>> Thanks,
     > >>>>
     > >>>> Scott Black
     > >>>>
     > >>>> TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration
     > >>>> [201]www.tprm-usa.com
     > >>>>
     > >>>>
     > >>>> On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:46 PM, Michael Shortt <
     > >>>> [202]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
     > >>>>
     > >>>>
     > >>>>   yes, on posted minutes
     > >>>>
     > >>>>   On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Bill Moore
     <[1][203]bill at incendium.com>
     > >>>>   wrote:
     > >>>>
     > >>>>     I'm in listening, no problem getting in.
     > >>>>     Will there be posted minutes after the meeting ?
     > >>>>
     > >>>>   -----Original Message-----
     > >>>>   From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2][204]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
     On Behalf Of
     > Ray
     > >>>>   Pascarella
     > >>>>   Sent: January-05-16 7:21 PM
     > >>>>   To: L GRAY <[3][205]tipo874a at msn.com>
     > >>>>   Cc: [4][206]detomaso at poca.com
     > >>>>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
     > >>>>   Worked fine for me.
     > >>>>   Sent from my iPad
     > >>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, L GRAY
     <[5][207]tipo874a at msn.com> wrote:
     > >>>>>
     > >>>>> I keep getting a recording that "this phone number is not in
     service"
     > >>>>> A  A  A Checked info two times with same
     result........anybody else
     > >>>>   get this
     > >>>>   recording?
     > >>>>>
     > >>>>> Leslie A. Gray
     > >>>>>
     > >>>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Michael Shortt
     > >>>>   <[6][208]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
     > >>>>   wrote:
     > >>>>>>
     > >>>>>> A  [7]1 -[209]872-240-3311
     > >>>>>> A  Code A 968-849-333
     > >>>>>> A  --
     > >>>>>> A  Michael L. Shortt
     > >>>>>> A  Savannah, Georgia
     > >>>>>> A  [1][8][210]www.michaelshortt.com
     > >>>>>> A  [2][9][211]michael at michaelshortt.com
     > >>>>>> A  [10]912-232-9390
     > >>>>>> A  A
     > >>>>>> A  This email is protected by the Electronic Communications
     Privacy
     > >>>>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be
     legally
     > >>>>>> privileged.AA  If you are not the intended recipient, you
     are hereby
     > >>>>>> notifiedA  that any retention, dissemination, distribution
     or
     > >>>>   copying
     > >>>>>> of thisA  communication is strictly prohibited.AA  Please
     reply to
     > >>>>   the
     > >>>>>> sender thatA  youA  have received this message in error,
     then delete
     > >>>>>> it.AA  Thank you
     > >>>>>>
     > >>>>>> References
     > >>>>>>
     > >>>>>> A  1. [11][212]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     > >>>>>> A  2. mailto:[12][213]michael at michaelshortt.com
     > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
     > >>>>>>
     > >>>>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
     > >>>>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso
     mailing list
     > >>>>>> [13][214]DeTomaso at poca.com
     > >>>>   [14][215]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     > >>>>>>
     > >>>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address,
     unsubscribe,
     > >>>>   etc.) use
     > >>>>   the links above.
     > >>>>>
     > >>>>> _______________________________________________
     > >>>>   _______________________________________________
     > >>>>   Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
     > >>>>   Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso
     mailing list
     > >>>>   [15][216]DeTomaso at poca.com
     > >>>>   [16][217]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     > >>>>   To manage your subscription (change email address,
     unsubscribe,
     > etc.)
     > >>>>   use
     > >>>>   the links above.
     > >>>>   _______________________________________________
     > >>>>   Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
     > >>>>   Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
     > >>>>   DeTomaso mailing list
     > >>>>   [17][218]DeTomaso at poca.com
     > >>>>   [18][219]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     > >>>>   To manage your subscription (change email address,
     unsubscribe,
     > etc.)
     > >>>>   use the links above.
     > >>>>
     > >>>>   --
     > >>>>   Michael L. Shortt
     > >>>>   Savannah, Georgia
     > >>>>   [19][220]www.michaelshortt.com
     > >>>>   [20][221]michael at michaelshortt.com
     > >>>>   [222]912-232-9390
     > >>>>   A
     > >>>>   This email is protected by the Electronic Communications
     Privacy
     > >>>>   Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be
     legally
     > >>>>   privileged.A  If you are not the intended recipient, you
     are hereby
     > >>>>   notified
     > >>>>   that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying
     of this
     > >>>>   communication is strictly prohibited.A  Please reply to the
     sender
     > that
     > >>>>   you
     > >>>>   have received this message in error, then delete it.A
     Thank you
     > >>>>
     > >>>> References
     > >>>>
     > >>>>   1. mailto:[223]bill at incendium.com
     > >>>>   2. mailto:[224]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
     > >>>>   3. mailto:[225]tipo874a at msn.com
     > >>>>   4. mailto:[226]detomaso at poca.com
     > >>>>   5. mailto:[227]tipo874a at msn.com
     > >>>>   6. mailto:[228]michaelsavga at gmail.com
     > >>>>   7. tel:1%20-872-240-3311
     > >>>>   8. [229]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     > >>>>   9. mailto:[230]michael at michaelshortt.com
     > >>>>   10. tel:912-232-9390
     > >>>>   11. [231]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     > >>>>   12. mailto:[232]michael at michaelshortt.com
     > >>>>   13. mailto:[233]DeTomaso at poca.com
     > >>>>   14. [234]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     > >>>>   15. mailto:[235]DeTomaso at poca.com
     > >>>>   16. [236]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     > >>>>   17. mailto:[237]DeTomaso at poca.com
     > >>>>   18. [238]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     > >>>>   19. [239]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     > >>>>   20. mailto:[240]michael at michaelshortt.com
     > >>>>
     > >>>>
     > >>>> _______________________________________________
     > >>>>
     > >>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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     > >>>> DeTomaso mailing list
     > >>>> [241]DeTomaso at poca.com
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     > >>>>
     > >>>> To manage your subscription (change email address,
     unsubscribe, etc.)
     > use
     > >>>> the links above.
     > >>
     > >>
     > >> _______________________________________________
     > >>
     > >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
     > >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
     > >> DeTomaso mailing list
     > >> [243]DeTomaso at poca.com
     > >> [244]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     > >>
     > >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
     etc.)
     > use the links above.
     > >
     > > _______________________________________________
     > >
     > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
     > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
     > > DeTomaso mailing list
     > > [245]DeTomaso at poca.com
     > > [246]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     > >
     > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
     etc.)
     > use the links above.
     >
     > _______________________________________________
     >
     > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
     > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
     > DeTomaso mailing list
     > [247]DeTomaso at poca.com
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     > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
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     > the links above.
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