[DeTomaso] Gas Tank removal
cengles at cox.net
cengles at cox.net
Fri Jan 8 11:53:12 EST 2016
Dear Sean,
I think that is a valid concern. May explanation for
Kirby's approach is that 1) I suspect that Kirby rewelded things better
than the car left Modena and 2) the Dylan car has the added
reinforcement of the aforementioned rollcage. It is a different
situation than a normal Pantera.
I am sure that Kirby can provide his own rationale.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Sean Korb wrote:
> A little off the rails here but I think I've got the right people in
> the
> room :) It doesn't matter if you have a roll cage in your car anyway,
> but
> is the bulkhead a stressed member? It's got that big hole in the
> middle
> for engine access but do more big holes cause a problem or does the
> framework around the bulkhead take up the slack? It's kind of a weird
> question to ask too since the chassis looks like two rickshaws glued
> to a
> tub.
>
> sean
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 9:44 AM, <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Dear Kirby,
>>
>>
>> Of course! Less sophisticated "craftsmen" have taken
>> another approach to the The Shortest Distance to the Gas Tank by
>> going
>> through the sheet metal of the actual body behind the driver's door.
>> This
>> is known as the Billy Bob or Lonny Lunchmeat Approach. This is
>> certainly
>> frowned upon and your "out of the box" solution to your conundrum of
>> the
>> gas tank installation was a typical flash of genius.
>>
>>
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:09 AM, Kirby Schrader wrote:
>>
>> Oh my....
>>> The 'Schrader approach'?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6+
>>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2016, at 07:03, cengles at cox.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Owen,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, you must remove the drive train unless you care
>>>> to
>>>> use the Schrader approach and cut out the firewall behind the
>>>> driver's seat
>>>> to remove the gas tank from the front.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bad news with the standard approach: You have to
>>>> remove
>>>> the drive train
>>>>
>>>> Good news with the standard approach: the gas tank
>>>> removal is remarkably easy with the engine out of the way
>>>> you'll have access to that nook and cranny
>>>> you'll have even better access to the engine bay for your complete
>>>> rustproofing and other modifications
>>>> you'll have your engine out and accessible for cleaning, fixing and
>>>> modifications including rebuilding
>>>> you'll have your ZF out and accessible for cleaning and fixing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 4:41 AM, Owen Cooke wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Pantera guys
>>>>>
>>>>> I am finishing off rustproofing a Pantera i bought recently but i
>>>>> am
>>>>> concerned about the gas tank
>>>>> i would like to take it out and deal with the areas behind it as
>>>>> this
>>>>> is the only piece of the car not reworked by me
>>>>> i am also concerned baout the tank itself
>>>>>
>>>>> what i want to know is - can the tank be removed with the engine
>>>>> in
>>>>> place
>>>>> or would i have to take out the engine and or the suspension ??
>>>>>
>>>>> your advice would be appreciated
>>>>>
>>>>> best regards owen cooke dublin
>>>>>
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>>>>>> 1. Re: Tom Tjaarda on Creativity (Larry - Ohio Time)
>>>>>> 2. Re: 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call (scott black)
>>>>>> 3. Re: 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call (Michael Shortt)
>>>>>> 4. More Anti-Footbal Pics, comments, was Re: Anti Football
>>>>>> Run
>>>>>> (Guido deTomaso)
>>>>>> 5. Fwd: DeTomaso post from michaelsavga at gmail.com requires
>>>>>> approval (Michael Shortt)
>>>>>> 6. Re: Gray makes the grade! (Tomas Gunnarsson)
>>>>>> 7. 2016 Jan POCA BOD Meeting (Michael Shortt)
>>>>>> 8. Re: Fwd: DeTomaso post from michaelsavga at gmail.com requires
>>>>>> approval (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
>>>>>> 9. Panteras at Le Mans Classic (davek)
>>>>>> 10. Re: Congratulations (Mike Thomas)
>>>>>> 11. Re: Congratulations (Mike Reilly)
>>>>>> 12. Re: More Anti-Footbal Pics, comments, was Re: Anti
>>>>>> Football
>>>>>> Run (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
>>>>>> 13. Re: Gray makes the grade! (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
>>>>>> 14. Re: More Anti-Footbal Pics, comments, was Re: Anti Football
>>>>>> Run (Michael Shortt)
>>>>>> 15. Re: More Anti-Footbal Pics, comments, was Re: Anti
>>>>>> Football
>>>>>> Run (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
>>>>>> 16. Re: Tom Tjaarda on Creativity (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
>>>>>> 17. POCA mart (Paul A Rimov)
>>>>>> 18. Re: Congratulations (Michael Haney)
>>>>>> 19. Wheels and Tires, was Re: More Anti-Footbal Pics,
>>>>>> comments,
>>>>>> was Re: Anti Football Run (Guido deTomaso)
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>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 14:07:26 -0500
>>>>>> From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
>>>>>> To: "'Himes, Terry \(397C\)'" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>>>>>> Cc: "'Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List'" <detomaso at poca.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
>>>>>> Message-ID: <1E0F81F4FDBB4E17880A6361501BDFB0 at LarryHPPC>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> << criticized for putting too much sex into his fiction >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is that even possible??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Larry (may as well read about it) - Cleveland
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Himes,
>>>>>> Terry (397C)
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 12:08 PM
>>>>>> To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; 'Michael Shortt'
>>>>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He should just give the narration and someone else could write
>>>>>> it?
>>>>>> Called collaboration.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gentry Lee (JPL) did this with Arthur C. Clark on several books.
>>>>>> Also
>>>>>> collaborated with Carl Sagan's 1980 COSMOS.
>>>>>> Gentry is a VERY colorful character here on lab. Highly
>>>>>> criticized
>>>>>> for putting too much sex into his fiction.
>>>>>> I think he has been married 7 times and has 8 children (or is it
>>>>>> married 8 times with 7 children. ;-) All boys.
>>>>>> Working with him is a hoot. 2 beer story.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
>>>>>> exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
>>>>>> to contact us!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Terry W. Himes
>>>>>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>>>>>> InSight Sequence Team Lead
>>>>>> Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
>>>>>> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>>>>>> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>>>>>> Fax: (818) 393-3147
>>>>>> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>>>>>> ??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:
>>>>>> detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on behalf of "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <
>>>>>> byrdjf at embarqmail.com<mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com>>
>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 8:40 AM
>>>>>> To: 'Michael Shortt' <michaelsavga at gmail.com<mailto:
>>>>>> michaelsavga at gmail.com>>
>>>>>> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>"
>>>>>> <detomaso at poca.com
>>>>>> <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trying to compose my thoughts on the review of the recent
>>>>>> released
>>>>>> deTomaso book, I was trying to figure out how to express the
>>>>>> desire for a
>>>>>> book not documenting the people that are responsible for the
>>>>>> Pantera, but
>>>>>> could a book be about the development of the Pantera detailing
>>>>>> the work of
>>>>>> those people, more of an technical/engineering/design
>>>>>> documentation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then reading the stories of meetings with Tom Tjaarda and how
>>>>>> much he
>>>>>> enjoys sharing the details of his work, I realized the only one
>>>>>> that could
>>>>>> write a book that would be of a highly technical aspect would be
>>>>>> T
>>>>>> Tjaarda. If he would undertake such a task, I would hope he
>>>>>> could gather
>>>>>> the recollection of the engineers he worked with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was also thinking if I attend Hilton Head event, what ?item?
>>>>>> would I
>>>>>> want personalized by Tjaarda. I would think a reproduction of
>>>>>> one of the
>>>>>> construction drawings during the design would be my most lusted
>>>>>> after.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could POCA ask if he would?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe in NC/5177
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Michael Shortt
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 10:17 AM
>>>>>> To: David; Jeff Cobb
>>>>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good Morning,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom has accepted my invitation to be a Special Guest Judge at the
>>>>>> 2016
>>>>>> Hiltion Head Island Motoring Festival and Concours.
>>>>>> He will be hosting and judging a special Detomaso exhibit on
>>>>>> Saturday
>>>>>> and be a Special Guest Judge on Sunday at the Concours.
>>>>>> Additionally, he has agreed to come one week early and attend the
>>>>>> Speed Classic races as my guest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will be seeking supreme examples of all Detomaso cars, we are
>>>>>> limited to 12.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like a authentic factory racer, a GT5-S, a Targa, GTS,
>>>>>> Pre L,
>>>>>> L, L GTS, Deauville, Longchamp, Vallelunga and a Isis Race car.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The concours dates are November 5 and 6
>>>>>> the spped classic will be Oct 28,29 and 30.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I can arrange enough Pantera Race cars, we will also have an
>>>>>> opportunity for a sprint race each day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> additionally, I have invited the Aston Martin Lagonda, Fiat 124
>>>>>> and MB
>>>>>> Pagoda owners to attend the car corral on Saturday, Oct 29th
>>>>>> during the
>>>>>> speed classic, I will be extending this offer to all Detomaso
>>>>>> owners as
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>> Drive your aforementioned car and get into the race for free that
>>>>>> day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Savannah is lovely in fall, if you can attend, please do, when
>>>>>> the new
>>>>>> website is up, we will post a registration area.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have a car suitable for the concours, please send info and
>>>>>> lots
>>>>>> of photos to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Shortt
>>>>>> President
>>>>>> POCA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:54 AM, David <adin at frontier.net<mailto:
>>>>>> adin at frontier.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff, 14 of these cars were made. Contemporary to the 330GTC,
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> featured pop up driving lights. That must have been bugly!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my little handheld gizmo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Jeff Detrich
>>>>>> <[1]jjdetrich at gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Check out the nose of the Ferrari. I wonder what the circles
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> for?
>>>>>> They are cutouts for something.
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>> 6559
>>>>>> <image.png>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:52 PM, David <[2]adin at frontier.net
>>>>>> <mailto:adin at frontier.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting article. Wish I could sit down with Tom for a
>>>>>> quiet
>>>>>> hour
>>>>>> and yak about this stuff. Enjoy.
>>>>>> [3]http://www.velocetoday.com/tom-tjaarda-on-creativity/
>>>>>> Sent from my little handheld gizmo.
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>>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 19:56:32 +0000 (UTC)
>>>>>> From: scott black <timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> To: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>, Bill Moore
>>>>>> <bill at incendium.com>
>>>>>> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>, L GRAY
>>>>>> <tipo874a at msn.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
>>>>>> Message-ID:
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>>>>>> <1503538904.927401.1452110192674.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
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>>>>>> I am not sure why I was copied on this email. I have not been on
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>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott Black
>>>>>> ?TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration
>>>>>> www.tprm-usa.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:46 PM, Michael Shortt <
>>>>>> michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ? yes, on posted minutes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ? On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Bill Moore
>>>>>> <[1]bill at incendium.com>
>>>>>> ? wrote:
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>>>>>> ? ? I'm in listening, no problem getting in.
>>>>>> ? ? Will there be posted minutes after the meeting ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ? -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> ? From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
>>>>>> Of
>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>> ? Pascarella
>>>>>> ? Sent: January-05-16 7:21 PM
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>>>>>> ? Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com
>>>>>> ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
>>>>>> ? Worked fine for me.
>>>>>> ? Sent from my iPad
>>>>>> ? > On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, L GRAY <[5]tipo874a at msn.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> ? >
>>>>>> ? > I keep getting a recording that "this phone number is not in
>>>>>> service"
>>>>>> ? >A? A? A Checked info two times with same result........anybody
>>>>>> else
>>>>>> ? get this
>>>>>> ? recording?
>>>>>> ? >
>>>>>> ? > Leslie A. Gray
>>>>>> ? >
>>>>>> ? >> On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Michael Shortt
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>>>>>> ? wrote:
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>>>>>> I am not sure why I was copied on this email. I have not been
>>>>>> on the
>>>>>> board for a few years.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Scott Black
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> www.tprm-usa.com
>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:46 PM, Michael Shortt
>>>>>> <michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> yes, on posted minutes
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Bill Moore <[1][1]
>>>>>> bill at incendium.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I'm in listening, no problem getting in.
>>>>>> Will there be posted minutes after the meeting ?
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2][2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>> Pascarella
>>>>>> Sent: January-05-16 7:21 PM
>>>>>> To: L GRAY <[3][3]tipo874a at msn.com>
>>>>>> Cc: [4][4]detomaso at poca.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
>>>>>> Worked fine for me.
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, L GRAY <[5][5]tipo874a at msn.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I keep getting a recording that "this phone number is not in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> service"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A A A Checked info two times with same result........anybody
>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> get this
>>>>>> recording?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leslie A. Gray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Michael Shortt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <[6][6]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> A Michael L. Shortt
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>>>>>>>> A 2. mailto:[12][9]michael at michaelshortt.com
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>>>>>> Michael L. Shortt
>>>>>> Savannah, Georgia
>>>>>> [19]www.michaelshortt.com
>>>>>> [20][16]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>> 912-232-9390
>>>>>> A
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>>>>>> 2. mailto:[18]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>>>>> 3. mailto:[19]tipo874a at msn.com
>>>>>> 4. mailto:[20]detomaso at poca.com
>>>>>> 5. mailto:[21]tipo874a at msn.com
>>>>>> 6. mailto:[22]michaelsavga at gmail.com
>>>>>> 7. tel:1%20-872-240-3311
>>>>>> 8. [23]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
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>>>>>> 10. tel:912-232-9390
>>>>>> 11. [25]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>>> 12. mailto:[26]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>> 13. mailto:[27]DeTomaso at poca.com
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>>>>>> 15. mailto:[29]DeTomaso at poca.com
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>>>>>> 18. [32]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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>>>>>> 6. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
>>>>>> 7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>> 8. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
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>>>>>> 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>> 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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>>>>>> 16. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>> 17. mailto:bill at incendium.com
>>>>>> 18. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>>>>> 19. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
>>>>>> 20. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>>>>>> 21. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
>>>>>> 22. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
>>>>>> 23. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>>> 24. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>> 25. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>>> 26. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>> 27. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>> 28. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>> 29. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>> 30. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>> 31. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>> 32. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>> 33. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>>> 34. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>> 35. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>> 36. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 15:07:40 -0500
>>>>>> From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: scott black <timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> Cc: Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
>>>>>> <detomaso at poca.com>, L GRAY <tipo874a at msn.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <CAEWtxWpCZzt-0o++-voUs6BbbF=bKzfqscK09A1C-WS0GhewtQ at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I sent it to the forum Scott,
>>>>>> there are no secrets any more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will be keeping the membership informed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Shortt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:56 PM, scott black
>>>>>> <timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not sure why I was copied on this email. I have not been on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> board
>>>>>>> for a few years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Scott Black
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration
>>>>>>> www.tprm-usa.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:46 PM, Michael Shortt <
>>>>>>> michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes, on posted minutes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Bill Moore
>>>>>>> <[1]bill at incendium.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm in listening, no problem getting in.
>>>>>>> Will there be posted minutes after the meeting ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>> Pascarella
>>>>>>> Sent: January-05-16 7:21 PM
>>>>>>> To: L GRAY <[3]tipo874a at msn.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
>>>>>>> Worked fine for me.
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, L GRAY <[5]tipo874a at msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I keep getting a recording that "this phone number is not in
>>>>>>>> service"
>>>>>>>> A A A Checked info two times with same result........anybody
>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> get this
>>>>>>> recording?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Leslie A. Gray
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Michael Shortt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <[6]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A [7]1 -872-240-3311
>>>>>>>>> A Code A 968-849-333
>>>>>>>>> A --
>>>>>>>>> A Michael L. Shortt
>>>>>>>>> A Savannah, Georgia
>>>>>>>>> A [1][8]www.michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>>> A [2][9]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>>>> A [10]912-232-9390
>>>>>>>>> A A
>>>>>>>>> A This email is protected by the Electronic Communications
>>>>>>>>> Privacy
>>>>>>>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be
>>>>>>>>> legally
>>>>>>>>> privileged.AA If you are not the intended recipient, you are
>>>>>>>>> hereby
>>>>>>>>> notifiedA that any retention, dissemination, distribution or
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> copying
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of thisA communication is strictly prohibited.AA Please reply
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sender thatA youA have received this message in error, then
>>>>>>>> delete
>>>>>>>>> it.AA Thank you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A 1. [11]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>>>>>> A 2. mailto:[12]michael at michaelshortt.com
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>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Michael L. Shortt
>>>>>>> Savannah, Georgia
>>>>>>> [19]www.michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>> [20]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>> 912-232-9390
>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications
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>>>>>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be
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>>>>>>> hereby
>>>>>>> notified
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>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> communication is strictly prohibited.A Please reply to the
>>>>>>> sender
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> have received this message in error, then delete it.A Thank
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. mailto:bill at incendium.com
>>>>>>> 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>>>>>> 3. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
>>>>>>> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>> 5. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
>>>>>>> 6. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
>>>>>>> 7. tel:1%20-872-240-3311
>>>>>>> 8. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>>>> 9. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>> 10. tel:912-232-9390
>>>>>>> 11. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>>>> 12. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>>> 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>> 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>>> 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>> 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>>> 17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>> 18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>>>>> 19. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
>>>>>>> 20. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
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