[DeTomaso] Gas Tank removal

Sean Korb spkorb at gmail.com
Fri Jan 8 10:40:34 EST 2016


A little off the rails here but I think I've got the right people in the
room :)  It doesn't matter if you have a roll cage in your car anyway, but
is the bulkhead a stressed member?  It's got that big hole in the middle
for engine access but do more big holes cause a problem or does the
framework around the bulkhead take up the slack?  It's kind of a weird
question to ask too since the chassis looks like two rickshaws glued to a
tub.

sean

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 9:44 AM, <cengles at cox.net> wrote:

> Dear Kirby,
>
>
>                Of course!   Less sophisticated "craftsmen" have taken
> another approach to the The Shortest Distance to the Gas Tank by going
> through the sheet metal of the actual body behind the driver's door. This
> is known as the Billy Bob or Lonny Lunchmeat Approach.  This is certainly
> frowned upon and your "out of the box" solution to your conundrum of the
> gas tank installation was a typical flash of genius.
>
>
>                             Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:09 AM, Kirby Schrader wrote:
>
> Oh my....
>> The 'Schrader approach'?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 6+
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2016, at 07:03, cengles at cox.net wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Owen,
>>>
>>>
>>>               Yes, you must remove the drive train unless you care to
>>> use the Schrader approach and cut out the firewall behind the driver's seat
>>> to remove the gas tank from the front.....
>>>
>>>
>>>               Bad news with the standard approach: You have to remove
>>> the drive train
>>>
>>>                Good news with the standard approach: the gas tank
>>> removal is remarkably easy with the engine out of the way
>>> you'll have access to that nook and cranny
>>> you'll have even better access to the engine bay for your complete
>>> rustproofing and other modifications
>>> you'll have your engine out and accessible for cleaning, fixing and
>>> modifications including rebuilding
>>> you'll have your ZF out and accessible for cleaning and fixing
>>>
>>>
>>>                         Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 4:41 AM, Owen Cooke wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Pantera guys
>>>>
>>>> I am finishing off rustproofing a Pantera i bought recently but i am
>>>> concerned about the gas tank
>>>> i would like to take it out and deal with the areas behind it as this
>>>> is the only  piece of the car not reworked by me
>>>> i am also concerned baout the tank itself
>>>>
>>>> what i want to know is - can the tank be removed with the engine in
>>>> place
>>>> or would i have to take out the engine and or the suspension ??
>>>>
>>>> your advice would be appreciated
>>>>
>>>> best regards owen cooke dublin
>>>>
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>>>>> From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
>>>>> To: "'Himes, Terry \(397C\)'" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>>>>> Cc: "'Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List'" <detomaso at poca.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
>>>>> Message-ID: <1E0F81F4FDBB4E17880A6361501BDFB0 at LarryHPPC>
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>>>>> << criticized for putting too much sex into his fiction >>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that even possible??
>>>>>
>>>>> Larry (may as well read about it) - Cleveland
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>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
>>>>>
>>>>> He should just give the narration and someone else could write it?
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>>>>> Gentry Lee (JPL) did this with Arthur C. Clark on several books. Also
>>>>> collaborated with Carl Sagan's 1980 COSMOS.
>>>>> Gentry is a VERY colorful character here on lab.  Highly criticized
>>>>> for putting too much sex into his fiction.
>>>>> I think he has been married 7 times and has 8 children  (or is it
>>>>> married 8 times with 7 children. ;-)  All boys.
>>>>> Working with him is a hoot.   2 beer story.
>>>>>
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>>>>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:
>>>>> detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on behalf of "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <
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>>>>> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>" <detomaso at poca.com
>>>>> <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
>>>>>
>>>>> Trying to compose my thoughts on the review of the recent released
>>>>> deTomaso book, I was trying to figure out how to express the desire for a
>>>>> book not documenting the people that are responsible for the Pantera, but
>>>>> could a book be about the development of the Pantera detailing the work of
>>>>> those people, more of an technical/engineering/design documentation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then reading the stories of meetings with Tom Tjaarda and how much he
>>>>> enjoys sharing the details of his work, I realized the only one that could
>>>>> write a book that would be of a highly technical aspect would be T
>>>>> Tjaarda.  If he would undertake such a task, I would hope he could gather
>>>>> the recollection of the engineers he worked with.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was also thinking if I attend Hilton Head event, what ?item? would I
>>>>> want personalized by Tjaarda.  I would think a reproduction of one of the
>>>>> construction drawings during the design would be my most lusted after.
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>>>>> Could POCA ask if he would?
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>>>>> Joe in NC/5177
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>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Michael Shortt
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 10:17 AM
>>>>> To: David; Jeff Cobb
>>>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
>>>>>
>>>>> Good Morning,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom has accepted my invitation to be a Special Guest Judge at the 2016
>>>>> Hiltion Head Island Motoring Festival and Concours.
>>>>> He will be hosting and judging a special Detomaso exhibit on Saturday
>>>>> and be a Special Guest Judge on Sunday at the Concours.
>>>>> Additionally, he has agreed to come one week early and attend the
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>>>>> I will be seeking supreme examples of all Detomaso cars, we are
>>>>> limited to 12.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like a authentic factory racer, a GT5-S, a Targa, GTS, Pre L,
>>>>> L, L GTS, Deauville, Longchamp, Vallelunga and a Isis Race car.
>>>>>
>>>>> The concours dates are November 5 and 6
>>>>> the spped classic will be Oct 28,29 and 30.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I can arrange enough Pantera Race cars, we will also have an
>>>>> opportunity for a sprint race each day.
>>>>>
>>>>> additionally, I have invited the Aston Martin Lagonda, Fiat 124 and MB
>>>>> Pagoda owners to attend the car corral on Saturday, Oct 29th during the
>>>>> speed classic,  I will be extending this offer to all Detomaso owners as
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>>>>> Drive your aforementioned car and get into the race for free that day.
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>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:54 AM, David <adin at frontier.net<mailto:
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>>>>>     Jeff, 14 of these cars were made. Contemporary to the 330GTC, it
>>>>>     featured pop up driving lights. That must have been bugly!
>>>>>
>>>>>     Cheers,
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>>>>>     David
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>>>>>     Sent from my little handheld gizmo.
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>>>>>     On Jan 5, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Jeff Detrich <[1]jjdetrich at gmail.com
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>>>>>     Check out the nose of the Ferrari. I wonder what the circles are
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>>>>>     They are cutouts for something.
>>>>>     Jeff
>>>>>     6559
>>>>>     <image.png>
>>>>>     On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:52 PM, David <[2]adin at frontier.net
>>>>> <mailto:adin at frontier.net>> wrote:
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>>>>>       Interesting article. Wish I could sit down with Tom for a quiet
>>>>> hour
>>>>>       and yak about this stuff. Enjoy.
>>>>>       [3]http://www.velocetoday.com/tom-tjaarda-on-creativity/
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>>>>> To: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>, Bill Moore
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>>>>> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>, L GRAY <tipo874a at msn.com>
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>>>>>     On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:46 PM, Michael Shortt <
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>>>>>  ? yes, on posted minutes
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>>>>> ? Worked fine for me.
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>>>>> ? > On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, L GRAY <[5]tipo874a at msn.com> wrote:
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>>>>> ? > I keep getting a recording that "this phone number is not in
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>>>>> ? >A? A? A Checked info two times with same result........anybody else
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>>>>> ? >
>>>>> ? > Leslie A. Gray
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>>>>> ? >> On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Michael Shortt
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>>>>>    On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:46 PM, Michael Shortt
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>>>>>      -----Original Message-----
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>>>>>      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
>>>>>      Worked fine for me.
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>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, L GRAY <[5][5]tipo874a at msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I keep getting a recording that "this phone number is not in
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>>>>>    service"
>>>>>
>>>>>> A  A  A Checked info two times with same result........anybody else
>>>>>>
>>>>>      get this
>>>>>      recording?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leslie A. Gray
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Michael Shortt
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>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 15:07:40 -0500
>>>>> From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: scott black <timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>
>>>>> Cc: Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
>>>>>    <detomaso at poca.com>,    L GRAY <tipo874a at msn.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>
>>>>> <CAEWtxWpCZzt-0o++-voUs6BbbF=bKzfqscK09A1C-WS0GhewtQ at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>>>
>>>>> I sent it to the forum Scott,
>>>>> there are no secrets any more.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will be keeping the membership informed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Shortt
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:56 PM, scott black <timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not sure why I was copied on this email. I have not been on the
>>>>>> board
>>>>>> for a few years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott Black
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration
>>>>>> www.tprm-usa.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:46 PM, Michael Shortt <
>>>>>> michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   yes, on posted minutes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Bill Moore <[1]bill at incendium.com>
>>>>>>   wrote:
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>>>>>>     I'm in listening, no problem getting in.
>>>>>>     Will there be posted minutes after the meeting ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>   From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>   Pascarella
>>>>>>   Sent: January-05-16 7:21 PM
>>>>>>   To: L GRAY <[3]tipo874a at msn.com>
>>>>>>   Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
>>>>>>   Worked fine for me.
>>>>>>   Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, L GRAY <[5]tipo874a at msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I keep getting a recording that "this phone number is not in service"
>>>>>>> A  A  A Checked info two times with same result........anybody else
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>   get this
>>>>>>   recording?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leslie A. Gray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Michael Shortt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   <[6]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A  [7]1 -872-240-3311
>>>>>>>> A  Code A 968-849-333
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>>>>>>>> A  Michael L. Shortt
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"The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
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   A little off the rails here but I think I've got the right people in
   the room :) A It doesn't matter if you have a roll cage in your car
   anyway, but is the bulkhead a stressed member?A  It's got that big hole
   in the middle for engine access but do more big holes cause a problem
   or does the framework around the bulkhead take up the slack?A  It's
   kind of a weird question to ask too since the chassis looks like two
   rickshaws glued to a tub.
   sean

   On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 9:44 AM, <[1]cengles at cox.net> wrote:

     Dear Kirby,
     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A Of course!A  A Less sophisticated "craftsmen"
     have taken another approach to the The Shortest Distance to the Gas
     Tank by going through the sheet metal of the actual body behind the
     driver's door. This is known as the Billy Bob or Lonny Lunchmeat
     Approach.A  This is certainly frowned upon and your "out of the box"
     solution to your conundrum of the gas tank installation was a
     typical flash of genius.
     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  Warmest regards, Chuck
     Engles
     On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:09 AM, Kirby Schrader wrote:

     Oh my....
     The 'Schrader approach'?
     Sent from my iPhone 6+

     On Jan 8, 2016, at 07:03, [2]cengles at cox.net wrote:
     Dear Owen,
     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  Yes, you must remove the drive train unless you
     care to use the Schrader approach and cut out the firewall behind
     the driver's seat to remove the gas tank from the front.....
     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  Bad news with the standard approach: You have
     to remove the drive train
     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A Good news with the standard approach: the gas
     tank removal is remarkably easy with the engine out of the way
     you'll have access to that nook and cranny
     you'll have even better access to the engine bay for your complete
     rustproofing and other modifications
     you'll have your engine out and accessible for cleaning, fixing and
     modifications including rebuilding
     you'll have your ZF out and accessible for cleaning and fixing
     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  Warmest regards, Chuck Engles

     On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 4:41 AM, Owen Cooke wrote:
     Hello Pantera guys
     I am finishing off rustproofing a Pantera i bought recently but i am
     concerned about the gas tank
     i would like to take it out and deal with the areas behind it as
     this is the onlyA  piece of the car not reworked by me
     i am also concerned baout the tank itself
     what i want to know is - can the tank be removed with the engine in
     place
     or would i have to take out the engine and or the suspension ??
     your advice would be appreciated
     best regards owen cooke dublin

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     Today's Topics:
     A  A 1. Re: Tom Tjaarda on Creativity (Larry - Ohio Time)
     A  A 2. Re: 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call (scott black)
     A  A 3. Re: 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call (Michael Shortt)
     A  A 4. More Anti-Footbal Pics, comments, was Re:A  Anti Football
     Run
     A  A  A  (Guido deTomaso)
     A  A 5. Fwd: DeTomaso post from [8]michaelsavga at gmail.com requires
     A  A  A  approval (Michael Shortt)
     A  A 6. Re: Gray makes the grade! (Tomas Gunnarsson)
     A  A 7. 2016 Jan POCA BOD Meeting (Michael Shortt)
     A  A 8. Re: Fwd: DeTomaso post from [9]michaelsavga at gmail.com
     requires
     A  A  A  approval (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
     A  A 9. Panteras at Le Mans Classic (davek)
     A  10. Re: Congratulations (Mike Thomas)
     A  11. Re: Congratulations (Mike Reilly)
     A  12. Re: More Anti-Footbal Pics, comments,A  A  was Re:A  Anti
     Football
     A  A  A  Run ([10]MikeLDrew at aol.com)
     A  13. Re: Gray makes the grade! ([11]MikeLDrew at aol.com)
     A  14. Re: More Anti-Footbal Pics, comments, was Re: Anti Football
     A  A  A  Run (Michael Shortt)
     A  15. Re: More Anti-Footbal Pics, comments,A  A  was Re: Anti
     Football
     A  A  A  Run ([12]MikeLDrew at aol.com)
     A  16. Re: Tom Tjaarda on Creativity (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
     A  17. POCA mart (Paul A Rimov)
     A  18. Re: Congratulations (Michael Haney)
     A  19. Wheels and Tires, was Re:A  More Anti-Footbal Pics, comments,
     A  A  A  was Re: Anti Football Run (Guido deTomaso)
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     Message: 1
     Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 14:07:26 -0500
     From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <[13]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
     To: "'Himes, Terry \(397C\)'" <[14]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
     Cc: "'Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List'" <[15]detomaso at poca.com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
     Message-ID: <1E0F81F4FDBB4E17880A6361501BDFB0 at LarryHPPC>
     Content-Type: text/plain;A  A  charset="UTF-8"
     << criticized for putting too much sex into his fiction >>
     Is that even possible??
     Larry (may as well read about it) - Cleveland
     -----Original Message-----
     From: DeTomaso [mailto:[16]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
     Himes, Terry (397C)
     Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 12:08 PM
     To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; 'Michael Shortt'
     Cc: [17]detomaso at poca.com
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
     He should just give the narration and someone else could write it?
     Called collaboration.
     Gentry Lee (JPL) did this with Arthur C. Clark on several books.
     Also collaborated with Carl Sagan's 1980 COSMOS.
     Gentry is a VERY colorful character here on lab.A  Highly criticized
     for putting too much sex into his fiction.
     I think he has been married 7 times and has 8 childrenA  (or is it
     married 8 times with 7 children. ;-)A  All boys.
     Working with him is a hoot.A  A 2 beer story.
     "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
     A  exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
     A  to contact us!"
     Terry W. Himes
     JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
     InSight Sequence Team Lead
     Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
     Phone: [18](818) 393-6261
     Cell:A  A  A [19](818) 653-8213
     Fax:A  A  A [20](818) 393-3147
     [21]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:[22]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
     ??
     From: DeTomaso
     <[23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:[24]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>
     > on behalf of "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr."
     <[25]byrdjf at embarqmail.com<mailto:[26]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>>
     Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 8:40 AM
     To: 'Michael Shortt'
     <[27]michaelsavga at gmail.com<mailto:[28]michaelsavga at gmail.com>>
     Cc: "[29]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[30]detomaso at poca.com>"
     <[31]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[32]detomaso at poca.com>>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
     Trying to compose my thoughts on the review of the recent released
     deTomaso book, I was trying to figure out how to express the desire
     for a book not documenting the people that are responsible for the
     Pantera, but could a book be about the development of the Pantera
     detailing the work of those people, more of an
     technical/engineering/design documentation.
     Then reading the stories of meetings with Tom Tjaarda and how much
     he enjoys sharing the details of his work, I realized the only one
     that could write a book that would be of a highly technical aspect
     would be T Tjaarda.A  If he would undertake such a task, I would
     hope he could gather the recollection of the engineers he worked
     with.
     I was also thinking if I attend Hilton Head event, what ?item? would
     I want personalized by Tjaarda.A  I would think a reproduction of
     one of the construction drawings during the design would be my most
     lusted after.
     Could POCA ask if he would?
     Joe in NC/5177
     -----Original Message-----
     From: DeTomaso [mailto:[33]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
     Michael Shortt
     Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 10:17 AM
     To: David; Jeff Cobb
     Cc: [34]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[35]detomaso at poca.com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tom Tjaarda on Creativity
     Good Morning,
     Tom has accepted my invitation to be a Special Guest Judge at the
     2016 Hiltion Head Island Motoring Festival and Concours.
     He will be hosting and judging a special Detomaso exhibit on
     Saturday and be a Special Guest Judge on Sunday at the Concours.
     Additionally, he has agreed to come one week early and attend the
     Speed Classic races as my guest.
     I will be seeking supreme examples of all Detomaso cars, we are
     limited to 12.
     I would like a authentic factory racer, a GT5-S, a Targa, GTS, Pre
     L, L, L GTS, Deauville, Longchamp, Vallelunga and a Isis Race car.
     The concours dates are November 5 and 6
     the spped classic will be Oct 28,29 and 30.
     If I can arrange enough Pantera Race cars, we will also have an
     opportunity for a sprint race each day.
     additionally, I have invited the Aston Martin Lagonda, Fiat 124 and
     MB Pagoda owners to attend the car corral on Saturday, Oct 29th
     during the speed classic,A  I will be extending this offer to all
     Detomaso owners as well.
     Drive your aforementioned car and get into the race for free that
     day.
     Savannah is lovely in fall, if you can attend, please do, when the
     new website is up, we will post a registration area.
     If you have a car suitable for the concours, please send info and
     lots of photos to me.
     Michael Shortt
     President
     POCA
     On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:54 AM, David
     <[36]adin at frontier.net<mailto:[37]adin at frontier.net>> wrote:
     A  A  Jeff, 14 of these cars were made. Contemporary to the 330GTC,
     it
     A  A  featured pop up driving lights. That must have been bugly!
     A  A  Cheers,
     A  A  David
     A  A  Sent from my little handheld gizmo.
     A  A  On Jan 5, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Jeff Detrich
     <[1][38]jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:[39]jjdetrich at gmail.com>>
     A  A  wrote:
     A  A  Check out the nose of the Ferrari. I wonder what the circles
     are for?
     A  A  They are cutouts for something.
     A  A  Jeff
     A  A  6559
     A  A  <image.png>
     A  A  On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:52 PM, David
     <[2][40]adin at frontier.net<mailto:[41]adin at frontier.net>> wrote:
     A  A  A  Interesting article. Wish I could sit down with Tom for a
     quiet hour
     A  A  A  and yak about this stuff. Enjoy.
     A  A  A
     [3][42]http://www.velocetoday.com/tom-tjaarda-on-creativity/
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     Message: 2
     Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 19:56:32 +0000 (UTC)
     From: scott black <[61]timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>
     To: Michael Shortt <[62]michaelsavga at gmail.com>, Bill Moore
     A  A <[63]bill at incendium.com>
     Cc: "[64]detomaso at poca.com" <[65]detomaso at poca.com>, L GRAY
     <[66]tipo874a at msn.com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
     Message-ID:
     A
     A <[67]1503538904.927401.1452110192674.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com
     >
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
     I am not sure why I was copied on this email. I have not been on the
     board for a few years.
     Thanks,
     Scott Black
     ?TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration
     [68]www.tprm-usa.com
     A  A  On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:46 PM, Michael Shortt
     <[69]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
     A ? yes, on posted minutes
     ? On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Bill Moore
     <[1][70]bill at incendium.com>
     ? wrote:
     ? ? I'm in listening, no problem getting in.
     ? ? Will there be posted minutes after the meeting ?
     ? -----Original Message-----
     ? From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2][71]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
     Of Ray
     ? Pascarella
     ? Sent: January-05-16 7:21 PM
     ? To: L GRAY <[3][72]tipo874a at msn.com>
     ? Cc: [4][73]detomaso at poca.com
     ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
     ? Worked fine for me.
     ? Sent from my iPad
     ? > On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, L GRAY <[5][74]tipo874a at msn.com>
     wrote:
     ? >
     ? > I keep getting a recording that "this phone number is not in
     service"
     ? >A? A? A Checked info two times with same result........anybody
     else
     ? get this
     ? recording?
     ? >
     ? > Leslie A. Gray
     ? >
     ? >> On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Michael Shortt
     ? <[6][75]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
     ? wrote:
     ? >>
     ? >>A? [7]1 -[76]872-240-3311
     ? >>A? Code A 968-849-333
     ? >>A? --
     ? >>A? Michael L. Shortt
     ? >>A? Savannah, Georgia
     ? >>A? [1][8][77]www.michaelshortt.com
     ? >>A? [2][9][78]michael at michaelshortt.com
     ? >>A? [10]912-232-9390
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     ? >>A? This email is protected by the Electronic Communications
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     ? >> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be
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     ? >> of thisA? communication is strictly prohibited.AA? Please reply
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     ? >> sender thatA? youA? have received this message in error, then
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     ? >> it.AA? Thank you
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     ? 13. mailto:[101]DeTomaso at poca.com
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     A  A I am not sure why I was copied on this email. I have not been
     on the
     A  A board for a few years.
     A  A Thanks,
     A  A Scott Black
     A  A TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration
     A  A [111]www.tprm-usa.com
     A  A On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:46 PM, Michael Shortt
     A  A <[112]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
     A  A  A yes, on posted minutes
     A  A  A On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Bill Moore
     <[1][1][113]bill at incendium.com>
     A  A  A wrote:
     A  A  A  A I'm in listening, no problem getting in.
     A  A  A  A Will there be posted minutes after the meeting ?
     A  A  A -----Original Message-----
     A  A  A From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2][2][114]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
     On Behalf Of
     A  A Ray
     A  A  A Pascarella
     A  A  A Sent: January-05-16 7:21 PM
     A  A  A To: L GRAY <[3][3][115]tipo874a at msn.com>
     A  A  A Cc: [4][4][116]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
     A  A  A Worked fine for me.
     A  A  A Sent from my iPad

     On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, L GRAY <[5][5][117]tipo874a at msn.com>
     wrote:
     I keep getting a recording that "this phone number is not in

     A  A service"

     AA  AA  A Checked info two times with same result........anybody
     else

     A  A  A get this
     A  A  A recording?

     Leslie A. Gray

     On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Michael Shortt

     A  A  A <[6][6][118]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
     A  A  A wrote:

     AA  [7]1 -[119]872-240-3311
     AA  Code A 968-849-333
     AA  --
     AA  Michael L. Shortt
     AA  Savannah, Georgia
     AA  [1][8][120]www.michaelshortt.com
     AA  [2][9][7][121]michael at michaelshortt.com
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     notifiedAA  that any retention, dissemination, distribution or

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     of thisAA  communication is strictly prohibited.AAA  Please reply to

     A  A  A the

     sender thatAA  youAA  have received this message in error, then

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     it.AAA  Thank you
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     A  A  A [20][16][131]michael at michaelshortt.com
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     A  A  A 4. mailto:[20][136]detomaso at poca.com
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     A  A  A 6. mailto:[22][138]michaelsavga at gmail.com
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     A  A  A 9. mailto:[24][140]michael at michaelshortt.com
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     A  A  A 12. mailto:[26][143]michael at michaelshortt.com
     A  A  A 13. mailto:[27][144]DeTomaso at poca.com
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     A  A  A 15. mailto:[29][146]DeTomaso at poca.com
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   A  A 6. mailto:[159]michaelsavga at gmail.com
   A  A 7. mailto:[160]michael at michaelshortt.com
   A  A 8. [161]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   A  A 9. mailto:[162]michael at michaelshortt.com
   A  10. mailto:[163]DeTomaso at poca.com
   A  11. [164]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   A  12. mailto:[165]DeTomaso at poca.com
   A  13. [166]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   A  14. mailto:[167]DeTomaso at poca.com
   A  15. [168]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   A  16. mailto:[169]michael at michaelshortt.com
   A  17. mailto:[170]bill at incendium.com
   A  18. mailto:[171]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   A  19. mailto:[172]tipo874a at msn.com
   A  20. mailto:[173]detomaso at poca.com
   A  21. mailto:[174]tipo874a at msn.com
   A  22. mailto:[175]michaelsavga at gmail.com
   A  23. [176]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   A  24. mailto:[177]michael at michaelshortt.com
   A  25. [178]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   A  26. mailto:[179]michael at michaelshortt.com
   A  27. mailto:[180]DeTomaso at poca.com
   A  28. [181]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   A  29. mailto:[182]DeTomaso at poca.com
   A  30. [183]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   A  31. mailto:[184]DeTomaso at poca.com
   A  32. [185]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   A  33. [186]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
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     Message: 3
     Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 15:07:40 -0500
     From: Michael Shortt <[190]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
     To: scott black <[191]timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>
     Cc: Bill Moore <[192]bill at incendium.com>, "[193]detomaso at poca.com"
     A  A <[194]detomaso at poca.com>,A  A  L GRAY <[195]tipo874a at msn.com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
     Message-ID:
     <CAEWtxWpCZzt-0o++-voUs6BbbF=[196]bKzfqscK09A1C-WS0GhewtQ at mail.gmail
     .com>
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
     I sent it to the forum Scott,
     there are no secrets any more.
     I will be keeping the membership informed.
     Michael Shortt

     On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:56 PM, scott black
     <[197]timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
     I am not sure why I was copied on this email. I have not been on the
     board
     for a few years.
     Thanks,
     Scott Black
     TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration
     [198]www.tprm-usa.com
     On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:46 PM, Michael Shortt <
     [199]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
     A  yes, on posted minutes
     A  On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Bill Moore
     <[1][200]bill at incendium.com>
     A  wrote:
     A  A  I'm in listening, no problem getting in.
     A  A  Will there be posted minutes after the meeting ?
     A  -----Original Message-----
     A  From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2][201]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
     Behalf Of Ray
     A  Pascarella
     A  Sent: January-05-16 7:21 PM
     A  To: L GRAY <[3][202]tipo874a at msn.com>
     A  Cc: [4][203]detomaso at poca.com
     A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 Jan POCA BOD Call
     A  Worked fine for me.
     A  Sent from my iPad

     On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, L GRAY <[5][204]tipo874a at msn.com> wrote:
     I keep getting a recording that "this phone number is not in
     service"
     AA  AA  A Checked info two times with same result........anybody
     else

     A  get this
     A  recording?

     Leslie A. Gray

     On Jan 5, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Michael Shortt

     A  <[6][205]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
     A  wrote:

     AA  [7]1 -[206]872-240-3311
     AA  Code A 968-849-333
     AA  --
     AA  Michael L. Shortt
     AA  Savannah, Georgia
     AA  [1][8][207]www.michaelshortt.com
     AA  [2][9][208]michael at michaelshortt.com
     AA  [10]912-232-9390
     AA  A
     AA  This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
     Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
     privileged.AAA  If you are not the intended recipient, you are
     hereby
     notifiedAA  that any retention, dissemination, distribution or

     A  copying

     of thisAA  communication is strictly prohibited.AAA  Please reply to

     A  the

     sender thatAA  youAA  have received this message in error, then
     delete
     it.AAA  Thank you
     References
     AA  1. [11][209]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     AA  2. mailto:[12][210]michael at michaelshortt.com
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     A  Savannah, Georgia
     A  [19][217]www.michaelshortt.com
     A  [20][218]michael at michaelshortt.com
     A  [219]912-232-9390
     A  A
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     References
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     A  6. mailto:[225]michaelsavga at gmail.com
     A  7. tel:1%20-872-240-3311
     A  8. [226]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     A  9. mailto:[227]michael at michaelshortt.com
     A  10. tel:[228]912-232-9390
     A  11. [229]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     A  12. mailto:[230]michael at michaelshortt.com
     A  13. mailto:[231]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  14. [232]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     A  15. mailto:[233]DeTomaso at poca.com
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     A  18. [236]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     A  19. [237]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
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 113. mailto:bill at incendium.com
 114. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
 115. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
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 126. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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 132. tel:912-232-9390
 133. mailto:bill at incendium.com
 134. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
 135. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
 136. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
 137. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
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 147. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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 149. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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 152. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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 154. mailto:bill at incendium.com
 155. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
 156. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
 157. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
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 166. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 167. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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 169. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
 170. mailto:bill at incendium.com
 171. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
 172. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
 173. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
 174. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
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 180. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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 185. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 186. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
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 188. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 189. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 190. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
 191. mailto:timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com
 192. mailto:bill at incendium.com
 193. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
 194. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
 195. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
 196. mailto:bKzfqscK09A1C-WS0GhewtQ at mail.gmail.com
 197. mailto:timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com
 198. http://www.tprm-usa.com/
 199. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
 200. mailto:bill at incendium.com
 201. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
 202. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
 203. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
 204. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
 205. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
 206. tel:872-240-3311
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 210. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
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 217. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
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 219. tel:912-232-9390
 220. mailto:bill at incendium.com
 221. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
 222. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com
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 234. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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 236. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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 238. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
 239. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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 241. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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 246. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 247. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org
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