[DeTomaso] Total Heresy- Ecoboost V6?
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There is always a Ford 400 block swap like I did and allows you to use most of a 351c parts like AC, water pump, fuel pump/eccentric, timing set, cam, heads, alternator.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Will Kooiman" <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
To: "Jack DeRyke" <JDeRyke at aol.com>, coreyjprice at gmail.com, detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 10:03:14 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Total Heresy- Ecoboost V6?
I've thought about engine swaps over the years.
It normally goes like thisŠ
I start thinking about swapping in an FE or something cool like a 392 Hemi
or a Boss 429, and then I think about the firewall bulge, and what it
would take. So, I figure a 4.6 DOHC would be a better choice, since it is
arguably a better fit. But I don't really want an EFI engine. If I
wanted something modern, I'd buy something modern. So, what about a 302
deck block? But it really needs better heads, like aluminum Cleveland
heads. But if I'm doing a Windsor block, why stop at an 8.2" deck? Why
not 9.2 or 9.5? But 9.5 pushes the heads out too far, and for what, an
extra 30-40 cubic inches? What I really want is a 9.2" deck block. Hey -
I already have one.
There's nothing wrong with the eco boost. I just don't see the point.
Btw, I heard that the 351C was just voted the #1 small block from the
60's/70's. I haven't seen the survey. I think it was based on HP per
cubic inch.
--
Will
On 12/28/15 3:41 AM, "Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso" <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> Pantera owners have almost always played nice with engine swappers
> There was the German owner with a BMW V-8 in his Pantera, the Swede
> with the Chrysler Hemi, the dozen or so CA Panteras built in the last
> century by Mike Cook with 454 Chevys, my friend in N CA with a
> 417-Donovan in his car and more in line with what you mentioned,
> Charlie Puckett's race Pantera with a 450-horse 347 stroker 302 Ford,
> with which he beat quite a few 351-C-powered Panteras on track. An
> all-aluminum V-6 should not only be very light but be short enough to
> fit without a firewall bulge, in spite of all the gear hanging off the
> nose of the engine. Good luck with the wiring & keep me informed, Cory-
> J DeRyke
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Corey Price <coreyjprice at gmail.com>
> To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Sun, Dec 27, 2015 5:19 pm
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Total Heresy- Ecoboost V6?
> To those who cringe at the slightest modification that changes some
> aspect of the Pantera: Stop Reading Now. I have my flame suit on so
> How about putting the Ecoboost 3.5L V6 in the Pantera? Ford just
> released a controls pack for the Ecoboost V6. Yes, I'm sure there
> will be hurdles, just like the Coyote. The twin turbos really help at
> high altitude, such as where I'm from. The torque and power under the
> curve is where the Ecoboost excels. More power under the curve =
> better acceleration. I've noticed that just tuning the Ecoboost can
> push horsepower above 400 but the torque is amazing for such a small
> motor. Throw in some bigger turbos and better exhaust manifolds and
> you're in the 600 hp range quickly.
> While looking for a truck to replace my previous Ford, I drove a few
> F150's with the Ecoboost and was always impressed with the power!A
> I've also driven the Taurus SHO with the engine and I was left
> impressed. It says a lot that the new Ford GT and Raptor pickups will
> be powered by this engine.
> It definitely goes against one of the Pantera's core concepts of a big
> V8 in a small car. I'm not saying that I think everyone should convert
> their cars to the latest engine. I like the Coyote engine a lot and
> have thought long and hard about swapping to that engine. I like the
> Cleveland, no doubt, but I like new technology just as much.
> Just thinking as usual.
> Corey
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There is always a Ford 400 block swap like I did and allows you to use
most of a 351c parts like AC, water pump, fuel pump/eccentric, timing
set, cam, heads, alternator.
Steve
__________________________________________________________________
From: "Will Kooiman" <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
To: "Jack DeRyke" <JDeRyke at aol.com>, coreyjprice at gmail.com,
detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 10:03:14 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Total Heresy- Ecoboost V6?
I've thought about engine swaps over the years.
It normally goes like thisAA
I start thinking about swapping in an FE or something cool like a 392
Hemi
or a Boss 429, and then I think about the firewall bulge, and what it
would take. So, I figure a 4.6 DOHC would be a better choice, since it
is
arguably a better fit. But I don't really want an EFI engine. If I
wanted something modern, I'd buy something modern. So, what about a
302
deck block? But it really needs better heads, like aluminum Cleveland
heads. But if I'm doing a Windsor block, why stop at an 8.2" deck?
Why
not 9.2 or 9.5? But 9.5 pushes the heads out too far, and for what, an
extra 30-40 cubic inches? What I really want is a 9.2" deck block.
Hey -
I already have one.
There's nothing wrong with the eco boost. I just don't see the point.
Btw, I heard that the 351C was just voted the #1 small block from the
60's/70's. I haven't seen the survey. I think it was based on HP per
cubic inch.
--
Will
On 12/28/15 3:41 AM, "Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso" <detomaso at poca.com>
wrote:
> Pantera owners have almost always played nice with engine swappers
> There was the German owner with a BMW V-8 in his Pantera, the Swede
> with the Chrysler Hemi, the dozen or so CA Panteras built in the
last
> century by Mike Cook with 454 Chevys, my friend in N CA with a
> 417-Donovan in his car and more in line with what you mentioned,
> Charlie Puckett's race Pantera with a 450-horse 347 stroker 302
Ford,
> with which he beat quite a few 351-C-powered Panteras on track. An
> all-aluminum V-6 should not only be very light but be short enough
to
> fit without a firewall bulge, in spite of all the gear hanging off
the
> nose of the engine. Good luck with the wiring & keep me informed,
Cory-
> J DeRyke
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Corey Price <coreyjprice at gmail.com>
> To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Sun, Dec 27, 2015 5:19 pm
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Total Heresy- Ecoboost V6?
> To those who cringe at the slightest modification that changes some
> aspect of the Pantera: Stop Reading Now. I have my flame suit on so
> How about putting the Ecoboost 3.5L V6 in the Pantera? Ford just
> released a controls pack for the Ecoboost V6. Yes, I'm sure there
> will be hurdles, just like the Coyote. The twin turbos really help
at
> high altitude, such as where I'm from. The torque and power under
the
> curve is where the Ecoboost excels. More power under the curve =
> better acceleration. I've noticed that just tuning the Ecoboost can
> push horsepower above 400 but the torque is amazing for such a
small
> motor. Throw in some bigger turbos and better exhaust manifolds and
> you're in the 600 hp range quickly.
> While looking for a truck to replace my previous Ford, I drove a
few
> F150's with the Ecoboost and was always impressed with the power!A
> I've also driven the Taurus SHO with the engine and I was left
> impressed. It says a lot that the new Ford GT and Raptor pickups
will
> be powered by this engine.
> It definitely goes against one of the Pantera's core concepts of a
big
> V8 in a small car. I'm not saying that I think everyone should
convert
> their cars to the latest engine. I like the Coyote engine a lot and
> have thought long and hard about swapping to that engine. I like
the
> Cleveland, no doubt, but I like new technology just as much.
> Just thinking as usual.
> Corey
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