[DeTomaso] [SDP] 3277 CHA 1972 DeTomaso Pantera

Fri Feb 26 22:57:15 EST 2016

The selling tactics don¹t surprise me at all, though.

10 years ago you were buying Panteras from enthusiasts that loved their
car, but couldn¹t keep it anymore or perhaps they weren¹t driving it and
wanted the space.

Now that prices have risen, you are buying from people that just see a
buck.  Car flippers.  Consigners that want their percentage of the gold
mine.  They don¹t care about Panteras.  They just see profit or maybe
early retirement.  This seller is running a business, not passing the
torch.

Some asking prices are ridiculous.

Take the car in OK recently where the owner ³knew what it was worth², and
promptly asked $150K.  Maybe in pesos.  She priced the car easily twice
what it will bring.  It might have been owned by Peter Revson, but only a
Pantera enthusiast would pay a premium, and I certainly didn¹t see anyone
on the list offering $100K for the car.  Who wouldn¹t pay $100K for a
$150K investment?  I doubt it will bring $80K.  She¹ll be lucky to get in
the 70¹s.

That¹s the reason I dislike the push for higher values.  I like the
Pantera community because of the owners it attracts.  When Pantera hit 6
figures, we¹ll be just another Ferrari club, and the owner demographics
will change.

On 2/26/16, 5:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mikael"
<detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk> wrote:

>If I were trying to sell the Pantera I would have a dilemma. Because any
>buyer would want to try driving of course. I would. But the Pantera is so
>fast compared to the econoboxes we have over here, I would not risk my
>life driving with a newbie at the wheel, and I would not let him drive
>alone. So it would probably never get sold. Good! :-)
>
>Mvh/Regards
>Mikael
>Hass Consult ApS
>+45 31770747
>Mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk
>
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra: Brent Stewart [mailto:bjbstewart at yahoo.com]
>Sendt: 25. februar 2016 22:49
>Til: Dennis Valdez; MikeLDrew at aol.com
>Cc: detomaso at poca.com; sdpanteras at googlegroups.com
>Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] [SDP] 3277 CHA 1972 DeTomaso Pantera
>
>Yeah, I sorta get the test drive thing as well.  I've bought and sold my
>share of exotic cars to realize there are a LOT of lookers that just want
>to drive a nice car, but have no actual intent to buy.  When I personally
>sell a car, I tell the buyer "let's assume that it drives perfectly and
>that you will be 100% satisfied", and then do the rest of the deal. Once
>we've agreed on a price and all the other bits, we go for a drive.  It
>will be the same way with my '74 when I sell it later this year...
>brent4328 
>
>    On Thursday, February 25, 2016 1:38 PM, Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso
><detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> 
>
> Mike, as far as test drives go I had a similar experience when I bought
>my car. They would not let me drive the car until we had essentially come
>to agreement on a price pending my satisfaction with the test drive.
>Given it was a low mileage car they said they did not want to put miles
>on it with people that were not serious.
>
>They let me crawl in, under, and around the car is much as I wanted and I
>did as much research as I could.
>
>Fortunately, the rather long test drive went flawlessly and I ended up
>buying the car. I guess I got lucky.
>
>Dennis Valdez 
>
>> On Feb 24, 2016, at 7:59 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>>wrote:
>> 
>>  In a message dated 2/23/16 22 41 16, edducati at mac.com writes:
>> 
>>    Check out this video on YouTube:
>>    http://youtu.be/eOrS0SIlEwk
>> 
>>>>> It's a beautiful video, and might be a great car.  Unfortunately
>>>>> the
>>  dealer leaves more than a bit to be desired.
>>  I've been working with three different people who have made various
>>attempts to buy this car, one of them quite seriously.  The asking
>>price was $75K, and he got them to agree to $70K.  He made a commitment
>>  to buy the car at that price, and was going to fly out on the weekend
>>  to buy it.  No money traded hands, but he had a commitment and was in
>>  the process of buying a plane ticket to go see it, and pay for it.
>>  They called him a day later and told him that somebody else was
>>expressing interest, and if he really wanted the car, he had better
>>increase his offer right away.  He reminded them that they already had
>>  a deal.  They told him the deal was off, and demanded more money.  He
>>  told them to go pound sand.
>>  That was weeks ago, and they are still trying to sell the car.
>>  Some forum dudes went to look at the car on his behalf, and they
>>wouldn't let them drive it!  Who the heck goes to buy a car and doesn't
>>  test-drive it?  Oh, they could sit in it and make vroom vroom noises,
>>  and I guess they could drive it around a parking lot, but that's it.
>>  Clearly these guys don't know how to sell a car.  Until their
>>attitude   improves, they will likely have it for quite some time....
>>  Mike
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