[DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
James coyne
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Fri Feb 26 15:58:28 EST 2016
What about the Marti reports list ? Will that information become part of the proposed POCA registry ?
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 20:06:30 +0000
From: kenn_green at yahoo.com
To: tecnosound at hotmail.com; julian_kift at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
It's funny the way Yahoo email wrapped the forwarded text, one line I really had to look at is:
"heoretically own anything"
I was trying to figure that out till I saw the lone "t" at end of the prior line, LOL
Anyway, I like Chuck and think he has done a real service. It doesn't make much sense to build a new registry, and I image some people will be put off by the attitudes and not submit info to the new registry. Some people have complained that Chuck's site is difficult to navigate through, and I have to admit I have been a little frustrated by it at times, but for a free site, it's great. Maybe if POCA just provided a guide to using Chuck's site, it would be a good result?
I was a POCA member but was really disappointed by the mostly social content of Profiles, and got really ticked off at Mike Drew on another issue, so did not renew. If Profiles gets to be like the old PI Quarterly, I'd probably join. I still feel burned because I got zero issues after I renewed my membership to PI.
It is my personal opinion that Michael Shortt is not the easiest guy to get along with. When he made what I considered inappropriate posts a few years back, I sent an email to him only, with my opinion, and he did not appreciate my point of view. Maybe he has mellowed, but I can imagine a bit of a "my way or the high way" attitude coming out. I can see how Michael and Chuck may clash a bit.
Ken
From: James coyne <tecnosound at hotmail.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
Well stated Julian . From: julian_kift at hotmail.com To: michaelsavga at gmail.com; cengles at cox.net Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 16:25:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry CC: detomaso at poca.com; garth_rodericks at yahoo.comWell I don't know the details of what Chuck was offered to integrate his registry with the new POCA one, but I am sympathetic to his stance given that he's putyears of hard work, long hours and money into something that no one else wantedto take on for the longest time. He also provides free access to that registry for the simple task of a submission, a tactic which has allowed him to amass well over 4,000 entries. POCA has what, less than 1,000 members to enter their details? I think it will be some time before you can categorically state that 'yours' will be better, and as you state it "will be for the other registry members use only" that predicates a POCA membership, thus to say it is not for monetary gain is a contradiction in terms.The Shelby American Automobile Club is licensed from Carrol Shelby, they don't theoretically own anything and it took law suits to get it all straightened out.We are lucky that Santiago De Tomaso or whoever owns the De Tomaso marque neverchooses to get involved!I respectfully disagree that POCA needs to own the registry and it hasn't seen that need for the past 45 years. If your vision is truly to break down divisionswithin the marque then you I recommend you embrace what Chuck and others beforehim have achieved and not be bickering over who owns what and is bigger and better. The Provamo registry is currently THE foremost collection of Pantera information anywhere, period and should be recognized as such.Don't forget this is an open forum not POCA, if you want the forum that 'needed' to be owned by POCA it's on their website and the last post was 3 months ago..... so I will continue to us my time how I see fit to voice my opinions, even ifI am the 1% minority, when everyone conforms it is no longer a democracy.Julian________________________________From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 6:56 AMTo: Charles EnglesCc: Julian Kift; detomaso at poca.com; Garth RodericksSubject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA RegistryChuck was asked ( 4 times ) and declined to work with us or integrate his with ours.Furthermore, ours will be much better, with far more information ( if you choose to upload yours )The Registry needs to be owned by POCA and carry on long after we are all dead,Shelby owns theirs, as does every marque club.It is not a business, it is not a money maker, and it will be for the other registry members to use only.Things are going to be changing for the better, perhaps if everyone would use their timeto improve the process ( like offer items to include ), it would go better.I can tell you that once the final version comes out for members to use, it probably won't be changedfor two reasons, 1) those whom have already submitted their car(s) out would have to do it again, 2) the expenseof making those changes. I am not going to punish those who comply and contribute, nor am I going to be fiscally irresponsible.Michael ShorttOn Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:27 AM, <cengles at cox.net<mailto:cengles at cox.net>> wrote:Dear Julian: Precisely. Warmest regards, Chuck EnglesOn Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Julian Kift wrote:You could add a link to Provamo.com and save a lot of repetition work, just saying....________________________________________From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> onbehalf of marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net<mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>>Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 3:17 PMTo: DeTomaso Mail List; Garth RodericksSubject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA RegistryYou could add Pushbutton!--------------------------------------------On Thu, 2/25/16, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>> wrote: Subject: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry To: "DeTomaso Mail List" <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>> Date: Thursday, February 25, 2016, 10:52 AM For all the categories, I'd start with a hierarchical organization and add the ability to denote stock and modified. A simple checkbox for "Modified" in each area could allow owners to enter the car's original configuration as well as the current configuration, such as in the example of a car that has since been winged and flared and listed as a Gr4. Just a thought Year -->Model: --> pre-L --> L --> GTS --> Gr4 --> Gr5 --> GT5S --> etc. Cheers! 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What about the Marti reports list ? Will that information become part
of the proposed POCA registry ?
__________________________________________________________________
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 20:06:30 +0000
From: kenn_green at yahoo.com
To: tecnosound at hotmail.com; julian_kift at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
It's funny the way Yahoo email wrapped the forwarded text, one line I
really had to look at is:
"heoretically own anything"
I was trying to figure that out till I saw the lone "t" at end of the
prior line, LOL
Anyway, I like Chuck and think he has done a real service. It doesn't
make much sense to build a new registry, and I image some people will
be put off by the attitudes and not submit info to the new registry.
Some people have complained that Chuck's site is difficult to navigate
through, and I have to admit I have been a little frustrated by it at
times, but for a free site, it's great. Maybe if POCA just provided a
guide to using Chuck's site, it would be a good result?
I was a POCA member but was really disappointed by the mostly social
content of Profiles, and got really ticked off at Mike Drew on another
issue, so did not renew. If Profiles gets to be like the old PI
Quarterly, I'd probably join. I still feel burned because I got zero
issues after I renewed my membership to PI.
It is my personal opinion that Michael Shortt is not the easiest guy to
get along with. When he made what I considered inappropriate posts a
few years back, I sent an email to him only, with my opinion, and he
did not appreciate my point of view. Maybe he has mellowed, but I can
imagine a bit of a "my way or the high way" attitude coming out. I can
see how Michael and Chuck may clash a bit.
Ken
__________________________________________________________________
From: James coyne <tecnosound at hotmail.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; "detomaso at poca.com"
<detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
Well stated Julian .
From: [1]julian_kift at hotmail.com
To: [2]michaelsavga at gmail.com; [3]cengles at cox.net
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 16:25:53 +0000
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
CC: [4]detomaso at poca.com; [5]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
Well I don't know the details of what Chuck was offered to integrate
his registr
y with the new POCA one, but I am sympathetic to his stance given that
he's put
years of hard work, long hours and money into something that no one
else wanted
to take on for the longest time. He also provides free access to that
registry f
or the simple task of a submission, a tactic which has allowed him to
amass well
over 4,000 entries. POCA has what, less than 1,000 members to enter
their detai
ls? I think it will be some time before you can categorically state
that 'yours'
will be better, and as you state it "will be for the other registry
members use
only" that predicates a POCA membership, thus to say it is not for
monetary gai
n is a contradiction in terms.
The Shelby American Automobile Club is licensed from Carrol Shelby,
they don't t
heoretically own anything and it took law suits to get it all
straightened out.
We are lucky that Santiago De Tomaso or whoever owns the De Tomaso
marque never
chooses to get involved!
I respectfully disagree that POCA needs to own the registry and it
hasn't seen t
hat need for the past 45 years. If your vision is truly to break down
divisions
within the marque then you I recommend you embrace what Chuck and
others before
him have achieved and not be bickering over who owns what and is bigger
and bett
er. The Provamo registry is currently THE foremost collection of
Pantera informa
tion anywhere, period and should be recognized as such.
Don't forget this is an open forum not POCA, if you want the forum that
'needed'
to be owned by POCA it's on their website and the last post was 3
months ago...
.. so I will continue to us my time how I see fit to voice my opinions,
even if
I am the 1% minority, when everyone conforms it is no longer a
democracy.
Julian
________________________________
From: Michael Shortt <[6]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 6:56 AM
To: Charles Engles
Cc: Julian Kift; [7]detomaso at poca.com; Garth Rodericks
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
Chuck was asked ( 4 times ) and declined to work with us or integrate
his with o
urs.
Furthermore, ours will be much better, with far more information ( if
you choose
to upload yours )
The Registry needs to be owned by POCA and carry on long after we are
all dead,
Shelby owns theirs, as does every marque club.
It is not a business, it is not a money maker, and it will be for the
other regi
stry members to use only.
Things are going to be changing for the better, perhaps if everyone
would use th
eir time
to improve the process ( like offer items to include ), it would go
better.
I can tell you that once the final version comes out for members to
use, it prob
ably won't be changed
for two reasons, 1) those whom have already submitted their car(s) out
would hav
e to do it again, 2) the expense
of making those changes. I am not going to punish those who comply and
contribu
te, nor am I going to be fiscally irresponsible.
Michael Shortt
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:27 AM,
<[8]cengles at cox.net<mailto:[9]cengles at cox.net>> wrote
:
Dear Julian: Precisely. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
You could add a link to Provamo.com and save a lot of repetition work,
just sayi
ng....
________________________________________
From: DeTomaso
<[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:[11]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>>
on
behalf of marshall smith
<[12]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net<mailto:[13]marshallgsmith at sbc
global.net>>
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 3:17 PM
To: DeTomaso Mail List; Garth Rodericks
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
You could add Pushbutton!
--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 2/25/16, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso
<[14]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso
@poca.com>> wrote:
Subject: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
To: "DeTomaso Mail List"
<[15]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[16]detomaso at poca.com>>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 2016, 10:52 AM
For all the
categories, I'd start with a hierarchical organization and
add the ability to denote stock and
modified. A simple checkbox for
"Modified" in each area could allow owners
to enter the car's original
configuration as well as the current
configuration, such as in the
example of a car that has since been
winged and flared and listed as a
Gr4. Just a thought
Year
-->Model:
--> pre-L
--> L
--> GTS
--> Gr4
--> Gr5
--> GT5S
--> etc.
Cheers!
Garth
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