[DeTomaso] Fwd: Coming POCA Registry
Michael Shortt
michaelsavga at gmail.com
Fri Feb 26 14:02:48 EST 2016
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
I have every intention of bringing the family together, a name change would
never fly. but I hope to make a home for all the Detomaso cars ( already
reached out to the late model Q Mangusta crowd, they want to be a part of
us)
and the post 75 cars will be treated the same, the idea of comparing them
to the 71-74 cars is ridiculous, so I forsee that they will also be in the
registry,
but with lots more opportunity to be freestyle with how they cars were
equipped. So few of them, not nearly as cookie cutter ( and as we all
know, many of ours three serial numbers apart
can also be very different cars. I am curuious why DeTomaso didn't at
least put in one numeral in the serial number for the OFFICIAL model year
designation, I know the month it was made is represented,
but nothing that screams, This is the first L car, where the US GTS cars
have such a designation, the European GTS cars did not it.
Clearly no Germans were involved.
Michael
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Michael,
>
>
> I have high hopes that you'll be an advocate of change but I feel the club
> is faltering in more ways than having a registry. I know you want to fix
> everything, but it's a short 2 year term and I think picking the battles
> and focusing on a couple will be key, after all a registry does exist,
> maybe not to your ideals but it is there.
>
>
> Hopefully Chuck is making arrangements for his legacy to continue on after
> his passing, more hopefully he has a good many years left in him too! I
> don't always agree with his methodologies, but have to respect what he has
> achieved in regard to the registry.
>
>
> Please don't forget the later cars through the Si they are the ones
> garnering all the attention right now. What about non Pantera De Tomaso
> cars, do you want to isolate that group, is it really the "Pantera Owners
> Club" or "De Tomaso Owners" club?
>
>
> All food for thought.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Julian
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 26, 2016 8:45 AM
> *To:* Julian Kift
>
> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
>
>
> OK,
>
> It was Chuck's decision, ask him.
>
> Unless Chuck somehow has everlasting life, it needs to be owned and
> maintained by the club.
>
> It will be better in the details about each car, more complete and that
> will happen Immediately from the first car onwards.
>
> You can disagree all you want to with me, I will continue to work on your
> behalf regardless.
>
> Michael
>
> On Feb 26, 2016 11:26 AM, "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well I don't know the details of what Chuck was offered to integrate his
>> registry with the new POCA one, but I am sympathetic to his stance given
>> that he's put years of hard work, long hours and money into something that
>> no one else wanted to take on for the longest time. He also provides free
>> access to that registry for the simple task of a submission, a tactic which
>> has allowed him to amass well over 4,000 entries. POCA has what, less than
>> 1,000 members to enter their details? I think it will be some time before
>> you can categorically state that 'yours' will be better, and as you state
>> it "will be for the other registry members use only" that predicates a POCA
>> membership, thus to say it is not for monetary gain is a contradiction in
>> terms.
>>
>>
>> The Shelby American Automobile Club is licensed from Carrol Shelby, they
>> don't theoretically own anything and it took law suits to get it
>> all straightened out. We are lucky that Santiago De Tomaso or whoever owns
>> the De Tomaso marque never chooses to get involved!
>>
>>
>> I respectfully disagree that POCA needs to own the registry and it hasn't
>> seen that need for the past 45 years. If your vision is truly to break down
>> divisions within the marque then you I recommend you embrace what Chuck and
>> others before him have achieved and not be bickering over who owns what and
>> is bigger and better. The Provamo registry is currently THE foremost
>> collection of Pantera information anywhere, period and should be recognized
>> as such.
>>
>>
>> Don't forget this is an open forum not POCA, if you want the forum that
>> 'needed' to be owned by POCA it's on their website and the last post was 3
>> months ago..... so I will continue to us my time how I see fit to voice
>> my opinions, even if I am the 1% minority, when everyone conforms it is
>> no longer a democracy.
>>
>>
>> Julian
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 26, 2016 6:56 AM
>> *To:* Charles Engles
>> *Cc:* Julian Kift; detomaso at poca.com; Garth Rodericks
>> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
>>
>> Chuck was asked ( 4 times ) and declined to work with us or integrate his
>> with ours.
>>
>> Furthermore, ours will be much better, with far more information ( if you
>> choose to upload yours )
>>
>> The Registry needs to be owned by POCA and carry on long after we are all
>> dead,
>>
>> Shelby owns theirs, as does every marque club.
>>
>> It is not a business, it is not a money maker, and it will be for the
>> other registry members to use only.
>>
>> Things are going to be changing for the better, perhaps if everyone would
>> use their time
>>
>> to improve the process ( like offer items to include ), it would go
>> better.
>>
>> I can tell you that once the final version comes out for members to use,
>> it probably won't be changed
>>
>> for two reasons, 1) those whom have already submitted their car(s) out
>> would have to do it again, 2) the expense
>>
>> of making those changes. I am not going to punish those who comply and
>> contribute, nor am I going to be fiscally irresponsible.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Shortt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:27 AM, <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Julian: Precisely. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
>>>
>>> You could add a link to Provamo.com and save a lot of repetition work,
>>>> just saying....
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of marshall smith
>>>> <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 3:17 PM
>>>> To: DeTomaso Mail List; Garth Rodericks
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
>>>>
>>>> You could add Pushbutton!
>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>> On Thu, 2/25/16, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
>>>> To: "DeTomaso Mail List" <detomaso at poca.com>
>>>> Date: Thursday, February 25, 2016, 10:52 AM
>>>>
>>>> For all the
>>>> categories, I'd start with a hierarchical organization and
>>>> add the ability to denote stock and
>>>> modified. A simple checkbox for
>>>> "Modified" in each area could allow owners
>>>> to enter the car's original
>>>> configuration as well as the current
>>>> configuration, such as in the
>>>> example of a car that has since been
>>>> winged and flared and listed as a
>>>> Gr4. Just a thought
>>>> Year
>>>> -->Model:
>>>> --> pre-L
>>>> --> L
>>>> --> GTS
>>>> --> Gr4
>>>> --> Gr5
>>>> --> GT5S
>>>> --> etc.
>>>> Cheers!
>>>> Garth
>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael L. Shortt
>> Savannah, Georgia
>> www.michaelshortt.com
>> michael at michaelshortt.com
>> 912-232-9390
>>
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Michael Shortt <[1]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
To: Julian Kift <[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
I have every intention of bringing the family together, a name change
would never fly. but I hope to make a home for all the Detomaso cars (
already reached out to the late model Q Mangusta crowd, they want to be
a part of us)
and the post 75 cars will be treated the same, the idea of comparing
them to the 71-74 cars is ridiculous, so I forsee that they will also
be in the registry,A
but with lots more opportunity to be freestyle with how they cars were
equipped.A So few of them, not nearly as cookie cutter ( and as we all
know, many of ours three serial numbers apart
can also be very different cars.A I am curuious why DeTomaso didn't at
least put in one numeral in the serial number for the OFFICIAL model
year designation, I know the month it was made is represented,
but nothing that screams, This is the first L car, where the US GTS
cars have such a designation, the European GTS cars did not it. A
Clearly no Germans were involved.
Michael
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Julian Kift
<[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
Michael,
I have high hopes that you'll be an advocate of changeA but I feel the
club is faltering inA more waysA thanA havingA a registry. I know you
want to fix everything, but it's aA short 2 year termA and I think
picking the battles and focusing on a couple will be key, after all a
registry does exist, maybe not to your ideals but it is there.
Hopefully Chuck is making arrangements for his legacy to continue on
after his passing, moreA hopefully he has aA good many years left in
him too!A I don't always agree with his methodologies, but have to
respect what he has achieved in regard to the registry.
Please don't forget the later cars through the Si they are the ones
garneringA all the attention right now. What about non Pantera De
Tomaso cars, do you want to isolate that group, is it really the
"Pantera Owners Club" or "De Tomaso Owners" club?
All food for thought.
Cheers,
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Shortt <[4]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 8:45 AM
To: Julian Kift
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
A
OK,
It was Chuck's decision, ask him.
Unless Chuck somehow has everlasting life, it needs to be owned and
maintained by the club.
It will be better in the details about each car, more complete and that
will happen Immediately from the first car onwards.
You can disagree all you want to with me, I will continue to work on
your behalf regardless.
Michael
On Feb 26, 2016 11:26 AM, "Julian Kift" <[5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
Well I don't know the details of what Chuck was offered to integrate
his registry with the new POCA one, but I am sympathetic to hisA stance
given thatA he's put years of hard work, long hours and money into
something that no one else wanted to take on for the longest time. He
also provides free access to that registry for the simple task of a
submission, a tactic which has allowed him toA amass wellA over 4,000
entries.A POCA has what, less than 1,000 members to enter their
details? I think it will beA someA time before you can categorically
state that 'yours' will be better, and as you state it "will be for the
other registry members use only" that predicates a POCA membership,
thus to sayA it is not for monetary gain is a contradiction in terms.
The Shelby American AutomobileA Club is licensed fromA Carrol Shelby,
they don't theoretically own anything and it took law suits to get it
allA straightenedA out. We are lucky thatA Santiago De Tomaso or
whoever owns the De TomasoA marque never choosesA to get involved!
IA respectfully disagree that POCA needs to own the registry and
itA hasn't seen thatA need for the past 45 years. If your vision is
truly to break down divisionsA withinA the marque thenA you I recommend
youA embrace what Chuck and others before him have achievedA and not
beA bickering over who owns what and is bigger and better. The Provamo
registry is currentlyA THE foremost collection of PanteraA information
anywhere, period and should be recognized as such.
Don't forget this is an open forumA not POCA, ifA you want the forum
that 'needed' to be owned by POCA it's on their website and the last
post was 3 months ago.....A so I will continue to us my time how I see
fit toA voice my opinions, even if I amA theA 1% minority,
whenA everyoneA conforms it is no longer a democracy.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Shortt <[6]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 6:56 AM
To: Charles Engles
Cc: Julian Kift; [7]detomaso at poca.com; Garth Rodericks
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
A
Chuck was asked ( 4 times ) and declined to work with us or integrate
his with ours.
Furthermore, ours will be much better, with far more information ( if
you choose to upload yours )
The Registry needs to be owned by POCA and carry on long after we are
all dead,
Shelby owns theirs, as does every marque club.
It is not a business, it is not a money maker, and it will be for the
other registry members to use only.
Things are going to be changing for the better, perhaps if everyone
would use their time
to improve the process ( like offer items to include ), it would go
better.
I can tell you that once the final version comes out for members to
use, it probably won't be changed
for two reasons, 1) those whom have already submitted their car(s) out
would have to do it again, 2) the expense
of making those changes.A I am not going to punish those who comply
and contribute, nor am I going to be fiscally irresponsible.
Michael Shortt
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:27 AM, <[8]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
Dear Julian:A Precisely.A A A A Warmest regards,A Chuck Engles
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
You could add a link to Provamo.com and save a lot of repetition
work, just saying....
________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[9]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of marshall
smith <[10]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 3:17 PM
To: DeTomaso Mail List; Garth Rodericks
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
You could add Pushbutton!
--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 2/25/16, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso
<[11]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
A Subject: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
A To: "DeTomaso Mail List" <[12]detomaso at poca.com>
A Date: Thursday, February 25, 2016, 10:52 AM
A A For all the
A categories, I'd start with a hierarchical organization and
A A add the ability to denote stock and
A modified.A A simple checkbox for
A A "Modified" in each area could allow owners
A to enter the car's original
A A configuration as well as the current
A configuration, such as in the
A A example of a car that has since been
A winged and flared and listed as a
A A Gr4. Just a thought
A A Year
A A -->Model:
A A A A --> pre-L
A A A A --> L
A A A A --> GTS
A A A A --> Gr4
A A A A --> Gr5
A A A A --> GT5S
A A A A --> etc.
A A Cheers!
A A Garth
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