[DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry

Fri Feb 26 13:58:13 EST 2016

Well stated Julian .

From: julian_kift at hotmail.com
To: michaelsavga at gmail.com; cengles at cox.net
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 16:25:53 +0000
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
CC: detomaso at poca.com; garth_rodericks at yahoo.com

Well I don't know the details of what Chuck was offered to integrate his registry with the new POCA one, but I am sympathetic to his stance given that he's put years of hard work, long hours and money into something that no one else wanted to take on for the longest time. He also provides free access to that registry for the simple task of a submission, a tactic which has allowed him to amass well over 4,000 entries. POCA has what, less than 1,000 members to enter their details? I think it will be some time before you can categorically state that 'yours' will be better, and as you state it "will be for the other registry members use only" that predicates a POCA membership, thus to say it is not for monetary gain is a contradiction in terms.

The Shelby American Automobile Club is licensed from Carrol Shelby, they don't theoretically own anything and it took law suits to get it all straightened out. We are lucky that Santiago De Tomaso or whoever owns the De Tomaso marque never chooses to get involved!

I respectfully disagree that POCA needs to own the registry and it hasn't seen that need for the past 45 years. If your vision is truly to break down divisions within the marque then you I recommend you embrace what Chuck and others before him have achieved and not be bickering over who owns what and is bigger and better. The Provamo registry is currently THE foremost collection of Pantera information anywhere, period and should be recognized as such.

Don't forget this is an open forum not POCA, if you want the forum that 'needed' to be owned by POCA it's on their website and the last post was 3 months ago..... so I will continue to us my time how I see fit to voice my opinions, even if I am the 1% minority, when everyone conforms it is no longer a democracy.

Julian

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From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 6:56 AM
To: Charles Engles
Cc: Julian Kift; detomaso at poca.com; Garth Rodericks
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry

Chuck was asked ( 4 times ) and declined to work with us or integrate his with ours.

Furthermore, ours will be much better, with far more information ( if you choose to upload yours )

The Registry needs to be owned by POCA and carry on long after we are all dead,

Shelby owns theirs, as does every marque club.

It is not a business, it is not a money maker, and it will be for the other registry members to use only.

Things are going to be changing for the better, perhaps if everyone would use their time

to improve the process ( like offer items to include ), it would go better.

I can tell you that once the final version comes out for members to use, it probably won't be changed

for two reasons, 1) those whom have already submitted their car(s) out would have to do it again, 2) the expense

of making those changes.  I am not going to punish those who comply and contribute, nor am I going to be fiscally irresponsible.

Michael Shortt

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:27 AM, <cengles at cox.net<mailto:cengles at cox.net>> wrote:
Dear Julian:  Precisely.        Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Julian Kift wrote:

You could add a link to Provamo.com and save a lot of repetition work, just saying....

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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on behalf of marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net<mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>>
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 3:17 PM
To: DeTomaso Mail List; Garth Rodericks
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry

You could add Pushbutton!
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On Thu, 2/25/16, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>> wrote:

 Subject: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
 To: "DeTomaso Mail List" <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
 Date: Thursday, February 25, 2016, 10:52 AM

    For all the
 categories, I'd start with a hierarchical organization and
    add the ability to denote stock and
 modified.  A simple checkbox for
    "Modified" in each area could allow owners
 to enter the car's original
    configuration as well as the current
 configuration, such as in the
    example of a car that has since been
 winged and flared and listed as a
    Gr4. Just a thought
    Year
    -->Model:
        --> pre-L
        --> L
        --> GTS
        --> Gr4
        --> Gr5
        --> GT5S
        --> etc.
    Cheers!
    Garth

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   Well stated Julian .
   From: julian_kift at hotmail.com
   To: michaelsavga at gmail.com; cengles at cox.net
   Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 16:25:53 +0000
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
   CC: detomaso at poca.com; garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
Well I don't know the details of what Chuck was offered to integrate his registr
y with the new POCA one, but I am sympathetic to his stance given that he's put
years of hard work, long hours and money into something that no one else wanted
to take on for the longest time. He also provides free access to that registry f
or the simple task of a submission, a tactic which has allowed him to amass well
 over 4,000 entries. POCA has what, less than 1,000 members to enter their detai
ls? I think it will be some time before you can categorically state that 'yours'
 will be better, and as you state it "will be for the other registry members use
 only" that predicates a POCA membership, thus to say it is not for monetary gai
n is a contradiction in terms.

The Shelby American Automobile Club is licensed from Carrol Shelby, they don't t
heoretically own anything and it took law suits to get it all straightened out.
We are lucky that Santiago De Tomaso or whoever owns the De Tomaso marque never
chooses to get involved!

I respectfully disagree that POCA needs to own the registry and it hasn't seen t
hat need for the past 45 years. If your vision is truly to break down divisions
within the marque then you I recommend you embrace what Chuck and others before
him have achieved and not be bickering over who owns what and is bigger and bett
er. The Provamo registry is currently THE foremost collection of Pantera informa
tion anywhere, period and should be recognized as such.

Don't forget this is an open forum not POCA, if you want the forum that 'needed'
 to be owned by POCA it's on their website and the last post was 3 months ago...
.. so I will continue to us my time how I see fit to voice my opinions, even if
I am the 1% minority, when everyone conforms it is no longer a democracy.

Julian

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From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 6:56 AM
To: Charles Engles
Cc: Julian Kift; detomaso at poca.com; Garth Rodericks
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry

Chuck was asked ( 4 times ) and declined to work with us or integrate his with o
urs.

Furthermore, ours will be much better, with far more information ( if you choose
 to upload yours )

The Registry needs to be owned by POCA and carry on long after we are all dead,

Shelby owns theirs, as does every marque club.

It is not a business, it is not a money maker, and it will be for the other regi
stry members to use only.

Things are going to be changing for the better, perhaps if everyone would use th
eir time

to improve the process ( like offer items to include ), it would go better.

I can tell you that once the final version comes out for members to use, it prob
ably won't be changed

for two reasons, 1) those whom have already submitted their car(s) out would hav
e to do it again, 2) the expense

of making those changes.  I am not going to punish those who comply and contribu
te, nor am I going to be fiscally irresponsible.

Michael Shortt

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:27 AM, <cengles at cox.net<mailto:cengles at cox.net>> wrote
:
Dear Julian:  Precisely.        Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Julian Kift wrote:

You could add a link to Provamo.com and save a lot of repetition work, just sayi
ng....

________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on
behalf of marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net<mailto:marshallgsmith at sbc
global.net>>
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 3:17 PM
To: DeTomaso Mail List; Garth Rodericks
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry

You could add Pushbutton!
--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 2/25/16, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso
@poca.com>> wrote:

 Subject: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
 To: "DeTomaso Mail List" <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
 Date: Thursday, February 25, 2016, 10:52 AM

    For all the
 categories, I'd start with a hierarchical organization and
    add the ability to denote stock and
 modified.  A simple checkbox for
    "Modified" in each area could allow owners
 to enter the car's original
    configuration as well as the current
 configuration, such as in the
    example of a car that has since been
 winged and flared and listed as a
    Gr4. Just a thought
    Year
    -->Model:
        --> pre-L
        --> L
        --> GTS
        --> Gr4
        --> Gr5
        --> GT5S
        --> etc.
    Cheers!
    Garth

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