[DeTomaso] throttle pedal cable
tom ware
ace595 at hotmail.com
Thu Feb 4 21:29:07 EST 2016
does anyone have a pic of the gas pedal cable set up where the spring end bracket attaches ?
thanks
tom
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2. Re: Air Cleaners - OEM (Dennis Valdez)
3. Re: POCA on Facebook (Jeff Detrich)
4. Re: POCA on Facebook (Jeff Detrich)
5. Re: POCA on Facebook (Larry Stock)
6. Re: POCA on Facebook (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
7. Re: POCA on Facebook (Ed Mendez)
8. Re: POCA on Facebook (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
9. Re: POCA on Facebook (Asa Jay Laughton)
10. Re: POCA on Facebook (Michael Shortt)
11. Re: POCA on Facebook (Brian Hill)
12. Re: POCA on Facebook (Charles McCall)
13. Re: POCA on Facebook (Jeff Detrich)
14. Re: POCA on Facebook (Daryl Adams)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2016 10:08:44 +1300
From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
<detomaso at poca.com>, Space City Panteras <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
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My take is I would've never known Hugh Boyd Casey if it wasn't for FB. I had the pleasure of getting to know him just a little bit, and to me it makes it all worth it.
Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> On 2/02/2016, at 05:52, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>
> I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3 notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living inside an Alzheimer's dream!
>
> And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation = causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be worth millions if that's the case.
>
> In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>
> And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
>
> Julian
> ________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
> To: Charles McCall
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>
> I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-) I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>
> Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which ever pages you want to.
>
> I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and recognition to our cars and has increased value.
>
> It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
>
> The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page, this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the chapters)
>
> So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try not to cross post so much. ;-)
>
> Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that love this car.
>
> We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time... @pocausa
>
> Ed
>
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>
>> On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ed,
>> Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
>>
>> It would be as if there were 6 E-mail f?rums. Most people would belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>>> Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for every chapter
>>> of POCA.
>>>
>>> Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you don't
>>> already have one, because your missing out on some really good Pantera
>>> stuff...
>>>
>>> I have made all these pages so far:
>>>
>>> POCA Main FB page
>>>
>>> [1]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>>
>>> SDP FB Page
>>>
>>> [2]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>>
>>> Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
>>>
>>> [3]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
>>> 6?ref=hl
>>>
>>> AZ Panteras
>>>
>>> [4]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>>
>>> Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
>>>
>>> [5]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>>
>>> POCA Main Group Page
>>>
>>> [6]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>>
>>> POCA Fun Rally Page
>>>
>>> [7]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>>
>>> and here is my personal page:
>>>
>>> [8]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>>
>>> I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
>>>
>>> Other pages:
>>>
>>> Foothill Panteras - Secret group
>>>
>>> [9]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>>
>>> Panteras Northwest
>>>
>>> [10]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>>
>>> NY Panteras
>>>
>>> [11]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>>
>>> Jersey Panteras
>>>
>>> [12]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>>
>>> DeTomaso Pantera USA
>>>
>>> [13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>>
>>> DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
>>>
>>> [14]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>>
>>> Strada Pantera
>>>
>>> [15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>>
>>> DeTomaso Friends
>>>
>>> [16]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>>
>>> DeTomaso Registry
>>>
>>> [17]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>>
>>> DeTomaso Club of France
>>>
>>> [18]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>>
>>> DeTomaso Owners of Australia
>>>
>>> [19]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>>
>>> Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our Japanese
>>> counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
>>>
>>> [20]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>>
>>> And many many more.
>>>
>>> A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before. There are
>>> over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related sites now.
>>> Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead of the
>>> forums and websites. TRUE.
>>>
>>> Like this one:
>>>
>>> Clevelands Forever - [21]351c.net - anything you ever wanted to know
>>> and didn't know about the 351C!
>>>
>>> [22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>>
>>> Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access to all of
>>> this great stuff!!
>>>
>>> Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
>>>
>>> This is the future of our great club!
>>>
>>> In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun Rally in San
>>> Diego.
>>>
>>> Enjoy!
>>>
>>> [23]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>>
>>> Ed Mendez
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>> 2. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>> 3. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=hl
>>> 4. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>> 5. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>> 6. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>> 7. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>> 8. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>> 9. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>> 10. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>> 11. panterashttps://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>> 12. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>> 13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>> 14. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>> 15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>> 16. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>> 17. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>> 18. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>> 19. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>> 20. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>> 21. http://351c.net/
>>> 22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>> 23. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 23:13:17 +0000 (UTC)
From: Dennis Valdez <sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com>
To: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>, DeTomaso Mail List
<detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Air Cleaners - OEM
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Interesting topic here! ?My car #7260 has a chrome top and blue body with the snorkel pointing at the passenger seat. (this is the car in Garth's previous post). ?I found a post in the P.I. forum from the previous owner of my car that said he bought it with a blue cover and changed it to chrome thinking it was supposed to be chrome per other late build L's.
So, from the posts in this thread it is not clear if there is a time in late production where the factory switched from chrome lids to blue lids although we know the cars were not always built in numerical order: ?
#5326 Chrome lid#6859 Blue lid#7080 Chrome lid#7260 Chrome lid (perhaps blue?)?#7366 Blue lid
Dennis7260
On Friday, January 29, 2016 3:48 PM, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
? Following is a summary compiled from past posts on the subject of
? "original air cleaners."? Special thanks to Barry Sieb who has done
? most of the research into the subject and posted the distinctions
? between the various air cleaner models in the archives.? Posts by Mike
? Drew and Steve Liebenow were also significant to this aggregation.
? There were at least 3 different factory air cleaners used on the 71-74
? Ford program Panteras. The orientation of the snorkel was changed
? several times, pointing in different directions.
? Details:
? 1. It seems the first type was all plain blue, lid and bottom, and came
? on push-button cars and continued through the cars that had the closed
? chamber heads, the square bore 4300A Motorcraft carb and single point
? ignition. These were the 1971 models with the 4V engines (up to car
? #2292 maybe). The air intake snorkel was at about 8 oclock pointing
? rearward on the left hand side. It looks like a standard Ford air
? cleaner with the positions of things moved around to suit a mid-engined
? car.? The earlier cars before #2292 took C8AZ9601A (FA-50).
? Note that the original air cleaner on Forest Majors' Pantera (#2242)
? built Oct 1971 with the 4V closed chamber heads had the chrome plated
? lid and blue bottom/base.
? 2. The second type had a chrome plated lid and the bottom was blue. It
? was obviously a modified Mustang/Cougar part. The air inlet is at about
? 8 o'clock on the left-hand side. The snorkel and heat stove are both in
? different locations from the Mustang 351CJ. The standard cut outs are
? blocked with riveted plates. These air cleaners came on the engines
? from 1972 that had the 4300D and the dual point distributors and 4 bolt
? mains. Both pre-L and L cars in 1972 appear to have had this type past
? car #4000. All the air cleaners after #2292 used the same filter
? according to Ford (DOGY9601A? Autolite/Motorcraft FA-74).
? 3. The third type came on later product L model cars and is the same as
? type 2, except the air inlet snorkel is pointing to the passenger side
? front with a duct attached to pick up cooler air near the ground at the
? firewall behind the passenger seat (1973-74).
? Is it a Mustang air cleaner? Some have purported that the Pantera air
? cleaner may simply be the same air cleaner, spun around 180 degrees -
? pointing either towards the front-right or rear-left of the engine
? depending on the application. HOWEVER, you cannot spin the air cleaner
? 180 degrees as the dent for clearing the distributor cap ends up on the
? wrong side (there's no dent on the opposite side of the air cleaner
? base).? In addition there's a relief on the bottom side of the air
? cleaner to clear the carb linkage which is absent on the other side as
? well.
? ? Note: The Ford parts book lists three different air cleaner
? assemblies:
? ? ? a. Before serial number 2292 (#1 above?)
? ? ? b. 2292 to 3756
? ? ? c. And from 4840.? Which begs the question... what about the cars
? between 3756-4840? (#
? 4. There were different types used on European and post-Ford era cars,
? but info on them is limited.
? Post Ford-era air cleaners may have a black wrinkle finish on the base
? with a chrome plated lid. These were possibly to match the finish on
? the B&M produced Hall Pantera "DeTomaso" valve covers with the black
? crinkle finish.? Gary Hall once reported that the factory bought a
? bunch of those air cleaners from him in the 80's.
? Now before you all run out to the wrecking yards to try and find
? original Ford air cleaners to use as Pantera versions, take note...
? Since the Pantera motor was a Mustang/Cougar motor used from 1971-on in
? those models, they likely received the same air cleaners on them when
? the shipping pallets arrived in Modena. They are special to those model
? cars as well!? While "based" on the air cleaners used in thousands of
? other Ford cars, they have that little vacuum motor for fresh air
? intake on the side! Some of you would recognize this option from the
? "Q" code 428 cars of 1969 and 1970, and the Boss 302's that didn't get
? shakers.? Ford continued this same feature in the 4V equipped Mustangs
? from 71-73. They are unique in that they have the rest of the vacuum
? and charcoal vent tubes, and hot air intake stuff, plus that little
? vacuum operated door on the side. That is what sets them apart from the
? rest. These were the Q-code air cleaners that were used in these later
? years.
? "M" code air cleaners are the plain type used on 2V and 4V engines
? interchangeably.? They were used on the Boss, CJ, and HO models of
? Mustangs and Cougars, making them somewhat valuable to the restorers.
? Now, DeTomaso may have moved the air intake snorkel around to face
? rearward, but they also built odd tin shrouds around this "extra" ram
? air intake too.? We have seen some air cleaners that seemed to have two
? extra shields on them for some reason or another.? Having been modified
? so much, they would have little to restorers of vintage Mustangs except
? for parts to fix theirs.
? Sources:
? [1]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023420.htm
? l
? [2]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2013-March/068693.html
? [3]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023432.htm
? l
? [4]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023433.htm
? l
? [5]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023531.htm
? l
? [6]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023525.htm
? l
? Forgive me if I've missed material information on this subject or
? failed to give someone credit.? This is NOT MY RESEARCH, but rather a
? summary of the research of others.? Hopefully it helps shed some light
? on the subject.
? Please add to this thread if you have more information or pictures to
? share.
? Cheers!
? Garth
? #4033
References
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? 3. http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2013-March/068693.html
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? 5. http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023531.html
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Interesting topic here! My car #7260 has a chrome top and blue body
with the snorkel pointing at the passenger seat. (this is the car in
Garth's previous post). I found a post in the P.I. forum from the
previous owner of my car that said he bought it with a blue cover and
changed it to chrome thinking it was supposed to be chrome per other
late build L's.
So, from the posts in this thread it is not clear if there is a time in
late production where the factory switched from chrome lids to blue
lids although we know the cars were not always built in numerical
order:
#5326 Chrome lid
#6859 Blue lid
#7080 Chrome lid
#7260 Chrome lid (perhaps blue?)
#7366 Blue lid
Dennis
7260
On Friday, January 29, 2016 3:48 PM, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso
<detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
Following is a summary compiled from past posts on the subject of
"original air cleaners." Special thanks to Barry Sieb who has done
most of the research into the subject and posted the distinctions
between the various air cleaner models in the archives. Posts by
Mike
Drew and Steve Liebenow were also significant to this aggregation.
There were at least 3 different factory air cleaners used on the
71-74
Ford program Panteras. The orientation of the snorkel was changed
several times, pointing in different directions.
Details:
1. It seems the first type was all plain blue, lid and bottom, and
came
on push-button cars and continued through the cars that had the
closed
chamber heads, the square bore 4300A Motorcraft carb and single point
ignition. These were the 1971 models with the 4V engines (up to car
#2292 maybe). The air intake snorkel was at about 8 oclock pointing
rearward on the left hand side. It looks like a standard Ford air
cleaner with the positions of things moved around to suit a
mid-engined
car. The earlier cars before #2292 took C8AZ9601A (FA-50).
Note that the original air cleaner on Forest Majors' Pantera (#2242)
built Oct 1971 with the 4V closed chamber heads had the chrome plated
lid and blue bottom/base.
2. The second type had a chrome plated lid and the bottom was blue.
It
was obviously a modified Mustang/Cougar part. The air inlet is at
about
8 o'clock on the left-hand side. The snorkel and heat stove are both
in
different locations from the Mustang 351CJ. The standard cut outs are
blocked with riveted plates. These air cleaners came on the engines
from 1972 that had the 4300D and the dual point distributors and 4
bolt
mains. Both pre-L and L cars in 1972 appear to have had this type
past
car #4000. All the air cleaners after #2292 used the same filter
according to Ford (DOGY9601A Autolite/Motorcraft FA-74).
3. The third type came on later product L model cars and is the same
as
type 2, except the air inlet snorkel is pointing to the passenger
side
front with a duct attached to pick up cooler air near the ground at
the
firewall behind the passenger seat (1973-74).
Is it a Mustang air cleaner? Some have purported that the Pantera air
cleaner may simply be the same air cleaner, spun around 180 degrees -
pointing either towards the front-right or rear-left of the engine
depending on the application. HOWEVER, you cannot spin the air
cleaner
180 degrees as the dent for clearing the distributor cap ends up on
the
wrong side (there's no dent on the opposite side of the air cleaner
base). In addition there's a relief on the bottom side of the air
cleaner to clear the carb linkage which is absent on the other side
as
well.
Note: The Ford parts book lists three different air cleaner
assemblies:
a. Before serial number 2292 (#1 above?)
b. 2292 to 3756
c. And from 4840. Which begs the question... what about the cars
between 3756-4840? (#
4. There were different types used on European and post-Ford era
cars,
but info on them is limited.
Post Ford-era air cleaners may have a black wrinkle finish on the
base
with a chrome plated lid. These were possibly to match the finish on
the B&M produced Hall Pantera "DeTomaso" valve covers with the black
crinkle finish. Gary Hall once reported that the factory bought a
bunch of those air cleaners from him in the 80's.
Now before you all run out to the wrecking yards to try and find
original Ford air cleaners to use as Pantera versions, take note...
Since the Pantera motor was a Mustang/Cougar motor used from 1971-on
in
those models, they likely received the same air cleaners on them when
the shipping pallets arrived in Modena. They are special to those
model
cars as well! While "based" on the air cleaners used in thousands of
other Ford cars, they have that little vacuum motor for fresh air
intake on the side! Some of you would recognize this option from the
"Q" code 428 cars of 1969 and 1970, and the Boss 302's that didn't
get
shakers. Ford continued this same feature in the 4V equipped
Mustangs
from 71-73. They are unique in that they have the rest of the vacuum
and charcoal vent tubes, and hot air intake stuff, plus that little
vacuum operated door on the side. That is what sets them apart from
the
rest. These were the Q-code air cleaners that were used in these
later
years.
"M" code air cleaners are the plain type used on 2V and 4V engines
interchangeably. They were used on the Boss, CJ, and HO models of
Mustangs and Cougars, making them somewhat valuable to the restorers.
Now, DeTomaso may have moved the air intake snorkel around to face
rearward, but they also built odd tin shrouds around this "extra" ram
air intake too. We have seen some air cleaners that seemed to have
two
extra shields on them for some reason or another. Having been
modified
so much, they would have little to restorers of vintage Mustangs
except
for parts to fix theirs.
Sources:
[1][1]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023420.
htm
l
[2][2]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2013-March/068693.htm
l
[3][3]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023432.
htm
l
[4][4]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023433.
htm
l
[5][5]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023531.
htm
l
[6][6]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023525.
htm
l
Forgive me if I've missed material information on this subject or
failed to give someone credit. This is NOT MY RESEARCH, but rather a
summary of the research of others. Hopefully it helps shed some
light
on the subject.
Please add to this thread if you have more information or pictures to
share.
Cheers!
Garth
#4033
References
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 18:23:10 -0600
From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>, Charles McCall
<charlesmccall at gmail.com>, "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>,
Space City Panteras <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com>, San Diego Panteras
<sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
Message-ID:
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The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they joined
and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a new member,
that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric would be it's
effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough correlation to analyze.
Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous connection.
So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is entertaining;
eventually a nuisance? Your call.
Jeff
6559
On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
> scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>
> I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
> notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
> comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living inside
> an Alzheimer's dream!
>
> And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
> causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras on FB
> doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be worth
> millions if that's the case.
>
> In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB posts
> and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a photo and
> feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any due diligence,
> just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>
> And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on any site
> and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed up with ad's for
> dildo's and blow up dolls.
>
> Julian
> ________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez <
> edducati at mac.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
> To: Charles McCall
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>
> I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-) I'm the
> guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>
> Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of hot rod
> and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts daily but they
> go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across several Pantera pages
> only go on your newsfeed and not on your own page. There are settings in FB
> to allow or disallow posts. You can limit the number. You can also
> subscribe or unsubscribe to which ever pages you want to.
>
> I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with Pantera
> stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and recognition to our cars
> and has increased value.
>
> It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck I
> didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of Junika Okada
> and the awesome work he does over there.
>
> The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already and to
> ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page, this has and
> will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and get people
> interested. All the pages are there already (for the chapters)
>
> So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and pages
> at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try not to cross
> post so much. ;-)
>
> Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that love
> this car.
>
> We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time... @pocausa
>
> Ed
>
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>
> > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ed,
> > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
> communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or coordination on
> FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a fair amount of activity.
> If you have a message that you want to make sure that everyone gets, then
> you need to cross-post on a half-dozen pages. People who subscribe to those
> pages get the same message a half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It
> happens now, and it will only get worse if people keep generating new FB
> Pantera pages.
> >
> > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail f?rums. Most people would belong
> to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them all. I don't see
> the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world into ever-smaller grounds,
> but I do see disadvantages.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
> >> Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for every
> chapter
> >> of POCA.
> >>
> >> Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you don't
> >> already have one, because your missing out on some really good
> Pantera
> >> stuff...
> >>
> >> I have made all these pages so far:
> >>
> >> POCA Main FB page
> >>
> >> [1]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
> >>
> >> SDP FB Page
> >>
> >> [2]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
> >>
> >> Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
> >>
> >> [3]
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
> >> 6?ref=hl
> >>
> >> AZ Panteras
> >>
> >> [4]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
> >>
> >> Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
> >>
> >> [5]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
> >>
> >> POCA Main Group Page
> >>
> >> [6]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
> >>
> >> POCA Fun Rally Page
> >>
> >> [7]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
> >>
> >> and here is my personal page:
> >>
> >> [8]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> >>
> >> I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
> >>
> >> Other pages:
> >>
> >> Foothill Panteras - Secret group
> >>
> >> [9]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
> >>
> >> Panteras Northwest
> >>
> >> [10]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
> >>
> >> NY Panteras
> >>
> >> [11]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
> >>
> >> Jersey Panteras
> >>
> >> [12]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
> >>
> >> DeTomaso Pantera USA
> >>
> >> [13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
> >>
> >> DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
> >>
> >> [14]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
> >>
> >> Strada Pantera
> >>
> >> [15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
> >>
> >> DeTomaso Friends
> >>
> >> [16]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
> >>
> >> DeTomaso Registry
> >>
> >> [17]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
> >>
> >> DeTomaso Club of France
> >>
> >> [18]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
> >>
> >> DeTomaso Owners of Australia
> >>
> >> [19]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
> >>
> >> Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our Japanese
> >> counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
> >>
> >> [20]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
> >>
> >> And many many more.
> >>
> >> A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before. There are
> >> over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related sites
> now.
> >> Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead of the
> >> forums and websites. TRUE.
> >>
> >> Like this one:
> >>
> >> Clevelands Forever - [21]351c.net - anything you ever wanted to know
> >> and didn't know about the 351C!
> >>
> >> [22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
> >>
> >> Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access to all
> of
> >> this great stuff!!
> >>
> >> Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
> >>
> >> This is the future of our great club!
> >>
> >> In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun Rally in San
> >> Diego.
> >>
> >> Enjoy!
> >>
> >> [23]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
> >>
> >> Ed Mendez
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> >>
> >> References
> >>
> >> 1. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
> >> 2. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
> >> 3.
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=hl
> >> 4. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
> >> 5. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
> >> 6. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
> >> 7. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
> >> 8. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> >> 9. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
> >> 10. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
> >> 11. panterashttps://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
> >> 12. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
> >> 13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
> >> 14. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
> >> 15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
> >> 16. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
> >> 17. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
> >> 18. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
> >> 19. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
> >> 20. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
> >> 21. http://351c.net/
> >> 22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
> >> 23. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
> >>
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The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a
new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric
would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
correlation to analyze.
Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
connection.A
So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
Jeff
6559
On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
<[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living
inside an Alzheimer's dream!
And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras
on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be
worth millions if that's the case.
In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a
photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed
up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
Julian
________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez
<[3]edducati at mac.com>
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
To: Charles McCall
Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts
daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
ever pages you want to.
I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
recognition to our cars and has increased value.
It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck
I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already
and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page,
this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and
get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
chapters)
So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try
not to cross post so much. ;-)
Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that
love this car.
We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
@pocausa
Ed
Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
<[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ed,
> Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make
sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen
pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
>
> It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people would
belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
>
> What do you think?
>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <[6]edducati at mac.com>
wrote:
>>A A Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for
every chapter
>>A A of POCA.
>>
>>A A Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you
don't
>>A A already have one, because your missing out on some really
good Pantera
>>A A stuff...
>>
>>A A I have made all these pages so far:
>>
>>A A POCA Main FB page
>>
>>A A
[1][7]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>
>>A A SDP FB Page
>>
>>A A [2][8]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>
>>A A Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
>>
>>A A
[3][9]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
626227
>>A A 6?ref=hl
>>
>>A A AZ Panteras
>>
>>A A [4][10]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>
>>A A Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
>>
>>A A [5][11]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>
>>A A POCA Main Group Page
>>
>>A A
[6][12]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>
>>A A POCA Fun Rally Page
>>
>>A A [7][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>
>>A A and here is my personal page:
>>
>>A A [8][14]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>
>>A A I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
>>
>>A A Other pages:
>>
>>A A Foothill Panteras - Secret group
>>
>>A A [9][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>
>>A A Panteras Northwest
>>
>>A A [10][16]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>
>>A A NY Panteras
>>
>>A A [11][17]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>
>>A A Jersey Panteras
>>
>>A A [12][18]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>
>>A A DeTomaso Pantera USA
>>
>>A A [13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>
>>A A DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
>>
>>A A [14][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>
>>A A Strada Pantera
>>
>>A A [15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>
>>A A DeTomaso Friends
>>
>>A A [16][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>
>>A A DeTomaso Registry
>>
>>A A
[17][23]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>
>>A A DeTomaso Club of France
>>
>>A A
[18][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>
>>A A DeTomaso Owners of Australia
>>
>>A A [19][25]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>
>>A A Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our
Japanese
>>A A counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
>>
>>A A [20][26]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>
>>A A And many many more.
>>
>>A A A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
There are
>>A A over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related
sites now.
>>A A Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead
of the
>>A A forums and websites. TRUE.
>>
>>A A Like this one:
>>
>>A A Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you ever
wanted to know
>>A A and didn't know about the 351C!
>>
>>A A [22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>
>>A A Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access
to all of
>>A A this great stuff!!
>>
>>A A Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
>>
>>A A This is the future of our great club!
>>
>>A A In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
Rally in San
>>A A Diego.
>>
>>A A Enjoy!
>>
>>A A [23][29]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>
>>A A Ed Mendez
>>
>>A A Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>
>> References
>>
>>A A 1.
[30]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>A A 2. [31]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>A A 3.
[32]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
62276?ref=hl
>>A A 4. [33]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>A A 5. [34]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>A A 6.
[35]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>A A 7. [36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>A A 8. [37]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>A A 9. [38]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>A A 10. [39]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>A A 11. panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>A A 12. [41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>A A 13. [42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>A A 14. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>A A 15. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>A A 16. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>A A 17.
[46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>A A 18.
[47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>A A 19. [48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>A A 20. [49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>A A 21. [50]http://351c.net/
>>A A 22. [51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>A A 23. [52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
5. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
7. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
8. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
9. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
10. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
11. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
12. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
14. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
16. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
17. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
18. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
20. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
23. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
25. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
26. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
27. http://351c.net/
28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
29. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
30. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
31. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
32. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=hl
33. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
34. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
35. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
37. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
38. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
39. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
40. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
46. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
48. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
49. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
50. http://351c.net/
51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
52. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
53. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
54. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
55. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
56. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 18:33:52 -0600
From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
<detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
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The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they joined
and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a new member,
that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric would be it's
effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough correlation to analyze.
Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous connection.
So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is entertaining;
eventually a nuisance? Your call.
Jeff
6559
On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
> scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>
> I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
> notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
> comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living inside
> an Alzheimer's dream!
>
> And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
> causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras on FB
> doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be worth
> millions if that's the case.
>
> In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB posts
> and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a photo and
> feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any due diligence,
> just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>
> And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on any site
> and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed up with ad's for
> dildo's and blow up dolls.
>
> Julian
> ________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez <
> edducati at mac.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
> To: Charles McCall
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>
> I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-) I'm the
> guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>
> Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of hot rod
> and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts daily but they
> go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across several Pantera pages
> only go on your newsfeed and not on your own page. There are settings in FB
> to allow or disallow posts. You can limit the number. You can also
> subscribe or unsubscribe to which ever pages you want to.
>
> I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with Pantera
> stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and recognition to our cars
> and has increased value.
>
> It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck I
> didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of Junika Okada
> and the awesome work he does over there.
>
> The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already and to
> ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page, this has and
> will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and get people
> interested. All the pages are there already (for the chapters)
>
> So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and pages
> at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try not to cross
> post so much. ;-)
>
> Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that love
> this car.
>
> We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time... @pocausa
>
> Ed
>
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>
> > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ed,
> > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
> communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or coordination on
> FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a fair amount of activity.
> If you have a message that you want to make sure that everyone gets, then
> you need to cross-post on a half-dozen pages. People who subscribe to those
> pages get the same message a half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It
> happens now, and it will only get worse if people keep generating new FB
> Pantera pages.
> >
> > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail f?rums. Most people would belong
> to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them all. I don't see
> the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world into ever-smaller grounds,
> but I do see disadvantages.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
> >> Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for every
> chapter
> >> of POCA.
> >>
> >> Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you don't
> >> already have one, because your missing out on some really good
> Pantera
> >> stuff...
> >>
> >> I have made all these pages so far:
> >>
> >> POCA Main FB page
> >>
> >> [1]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
> >>
> >> SDP FB Page
> >>
> >> [2]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
> >>
> >> Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
> >>
> >> [3]
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
> >> 6?ref=hl
> >>
> >> AZ Panteras
> >>
> >> [4]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
> >>
> >> Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
> >>
> >> [5]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
> >>
> >> POCA Main Group Page
> >>
> >> [6]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
> >>
> >> POCA Fun Rally Page
> >>
> >> [7]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
> >>
> >> and here is my personal page:
> >>
> >> [8]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> >>
> >> I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
> >>
> >> Other pages:
> >>
> >> Foothill Panteras - Secret group
> >>
> >> [9]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
> >>
> >> Panteras Northwest
> >>
> >> [10]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
> >>
> >> NY Panteras
> >>
> >> [11]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
> >>
> >> Jersey Panteras
> >>
> >> [12]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
> >>
> >> DeTomaso Pantera USA
> >>
> >> [13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
> >>
> >> DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
> >>
> >> [14]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
> >>
> >> Strada Pantera
> >>
> >> [15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
> >>
> >> DeTomaso Friends
> >>
> >> [16]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
> >>
> >> DeTomaso Registry
> >>
> >> [17]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
> >>
> >> DeTomaso Club of France
> >>
> >> [18]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
> >>
> >> DeTomaso Owners of Australia
> >>
> >> [19]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
> >>
> >> Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our Japanese
> >> counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
> >>
> >> [20]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
> >>
> >> And many many more.
> >>
> >> A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before. There are
> >> over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related sites
> now.
> >> Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead of the
> >> forums and websites. TRUE.
> >>
> >> Like this one:
> >>
> >> Clevelands Forever - [21]351c.net - anything you ever wanted to know
> >> and didn't know about the 351C!
> >>
> >> [22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
> >>
> >> Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access to all
> of
> >> this great stuff!!
> >>
> >> Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
> >>
> >> This is the future of our great club!
> >>
> >> In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun Rally in San
> >> Diego.
> >>
> >> Enjoy!
> >>
> >> [23]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
> >>
> >> Ed Mendez
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> >>
> >> References
> >>
> >> 1. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
> >> 2. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
> >> 3.
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=hl
> >> 4. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
> >> 5. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
> >> 6. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
> >> 7. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
> >> 8. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> >> 9. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
> >> 10. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
> >> 11. panterashttps://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
> >> 12. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
> >> 13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
> >> 14. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
> >> 15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
> >> 16. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
> >> 17. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
> >> 18. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
> >> 19. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
> >> 20. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
> >> 21. http://351c.net/
> >> 22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
> >> 23. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
> >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
> >> DeTomaso mailing list
> >> DeTomaso at poca.com
> >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>
> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
> use the links above.
> >
> _______________________________________________
>
> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
> DeTomaso mailing list
> DeTomaso at poca.com
> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use
> the links above.
>
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The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a
new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric
would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
correlation to analyze.
Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
connection.A
So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
Jeff
6559
On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
<[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living
inside an Alzheimer's dream!
And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras
on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be
worth millions if that's the case.
In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a
photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed
up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
Julian
________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez
<[3]edducati at mac.com>
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
To: Charles McCall
Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts
daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
ever pages you want to.
I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
recognition to our cars and has increased value.
It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck
I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already
and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page,
this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and
get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
chapters)
So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try
not to cross post so much. ;-)
Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that
love this car.
We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
@pocausa
Ed
Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
<[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ed,
> Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make
sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen
pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
>
> It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people would
belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
>
> What do you think?
>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <[6]edducati at mac.com>
wrote:
>>A A Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for
every chapter
>>A A of POCA.
>>
>>A A Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you
don't
>>A A already have one, because your missing out on some really
good Pantera
>>A A stuff...
>>
>>A A I have made all these pages so far:
>>
>>A A POCA Main FB page
>>
>>A A
[1][7]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>
>>A A SDP FB Page
>>
>>A A [2][8]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>
>>A A Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
>>
>>A A
[3][9]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
626227
>>A A 6?ref=hl
>>
>>A A AZ Panteras
>>
>>A A [4][10]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>
>>A A Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
>>
>>A A [5][11]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>
>>A A POCA Main Group Page
>>
>>A A
[6][12]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>
>>A A POCA Fun Rally Page
>>
>>A A [7][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>
>>A A and here is my personal page:
>>
>>A A [8][14]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>
>>A A I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
>>
>>A A Other pages:
>>
>>A A Foothill Panteras - Secret group
>>
>>A A [9][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>
>>A A Panteras Northwest
>>
>>A A [10][16]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>
>>A A NY Panteras
>>
>>A A [11][17]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>
>>A A Jersey Panteras
>>
>>A A [12][18]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>
>>A A DeTomaso Pantera USA
>>
>>A A [13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>
>>A A DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
>>
>>A A [14][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>
>>A A Strada Pantera
>>
>>A A [15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>
>>A A DeTomaso Friends
>>
>>A A [16][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>
>>A A DeTomaso Registry
>>
>>A A
[17][23]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>
>>A A DeTomaso Club of France
>>
>>A A
[18][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>
>>A A DeTomaso Owners of Australia
>>
>>A A [19][25]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>
>>A A Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our
Japanese
>>A A counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
>>
>>A A [20][26]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>
>>A A And many many more.
>>
>>A A A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
There are
>>A A over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related
sites now.
>>A A Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead
of the
>>A A forums and websites. TRUE.
>>
>>A A Like this one:
>>
>>A A Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you ever
wanted to know
>>A A and didn't know about the 351C!
>>
>>A A [22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>
>>A A Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access
to all of
>>A A this great stuff!!
>>
>>A A Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
>>
>>A A This is the future of our great club!
>>
>>A A In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
Rally in San
>>A A Diego.
>>
>>A A Enjoy!
>>
>>A A [23][29]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>
>>A A Ed Mendez
>>
>>A A Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>
>> References
>>
>>A A 1.
[30]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>A A 2. [31]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>A A 3.
[32]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
62276?ref=hl
>>A A 4. [33]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>A A 5. [34]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>A A 6.
[35]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>A A 7. [36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>A A 8. [37]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>A A 9. [38]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>A A 10. [39]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>A A 11. panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>A A 12. [41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>A A 13. [42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>A A 14. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>A A 15. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>A A 16. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>A A 17.
[46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>A A 18.
[47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>A A 19. [48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>A A 20. [49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>A A 21. [50]http://351c.net/
>>A A 22. [51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>A A 23. [52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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References
1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
5. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
7. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
8. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
9. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
10. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
11. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
12. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
14. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
16. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
17. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
18. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
20. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
23. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
25. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
26. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
27. http://351c.net/
28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
29. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
30. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
31. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
32. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=hl
33. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
34. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
35. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
37. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
38. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
39. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
40. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
46. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
48. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
49. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
50. http://351c.net/
51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
52. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
53. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
54. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
55. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
56. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 17:03:53 -0800
From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>, Julian Kift
<julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>, Space City Panteras
<SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com>, San Diego Panteras
<sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
Message-ID: <D2D53DC2.15EFFE%larrys at panteraparts.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
You folks have got to understand that we are an older crowd here. Facebook
is a younger Demographic that we would reaching out to. As Ed Mendez has
noted that we also have a twitter account, then there is instagram, for
another Younger demographic. These are all just younger modes of
communication just like our old rotary phones used to be, technology just
keeps marching on. So there are now web pages, Facebook pages, and who
know what will be next. If we want to appeal to a younger market, we need
to be available on these newer communication modes. Lets at least give Ed
credit for putting us out there if some younger folks want to share our
passion, at least we can be available. We can always mail them a magazine.
Larry Stock
On 2/1/16, 4:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
<detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
> meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
> joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a
> new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric
> would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
> correlation to analyze.
> Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
> something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
> connection.A
> So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
> entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
> Jeff
> 6559
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
> <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
> scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
> I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
> notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
> comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living
> inside an Alzheimer's dream!
> And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
> causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras
> on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be
> worth millions if that's the case.
> In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
> posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a
> photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
> due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
> And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
> any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed
> up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
> Julian
> ________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez
> <[3]edducati at mac.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
> To: Charles McCall
> Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
> I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
> I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
> Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
> hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts
> daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
> several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
> page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
> limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
> ever pages you want to.
> I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
> Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
> recognition to our cars and has increased value.
> It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck
> I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
> Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
> The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already
> and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page,
> this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and
> get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
> chapters)
> So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
> pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try
> not to cross post so much. ;-)
> Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that
> love this car.
> We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
> @pocausa
> Ed
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
> <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ed,
> > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
> communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
> coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
> fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make
> sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen
> pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
> half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
> only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
> >
> > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people would
> belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
> all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
> into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <[6]edducati at mac.com>
> wrote:
> >>A A Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for
> every chapter
> >>A A of POCA.
> >>
> >>A A Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you
> don't
> >>A A already have one, because your missing out on some really
> good Pantera
> >>A A stuff...
> >>
> >>A A I have made all these pages so far:
> >>
> >>A A POCA Main FB page
> >>
> >>A A
> [1][7]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
> >>
> >>A A SDP FB Page
> >>
> >>A A [2][8]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
> >>
> >>A A Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
> >>
> >>A A
> [3][9]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
> 626227
> >>A A 6?ref=hl
> >>
> >>A A AZ Panteras
> >>
> >>A A [4][10]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
> >>
> >>A A Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
> >>
> >>A A [5][11]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
> >>
> >>A A POCA Main Group Page
> >>
> >>A A
> [6][12]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
> >>
> >>A A POCA Fun Rally Page
> >>
> >>A A [7][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
> >>
> >>A A and here is my personal page:
> >>
> >>A A [8][14]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> >>
> >>A A I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
> >>
> >>A A Other pages:
> >>
> >>A A Foothill Panteras - Secret group
> >>
> >>A A [9][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
> >>
> >>A A Panteras Northwest
> >>
> >>A A [10][16]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
> >>
> >>A A NY Panteras
> >>
> >>A A [11][17]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
> >>
> >>A A Jersey Panteras
> >>
> >>A A [12][18]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
> >>
> >>A A DeTomaso Pantera USA
> >>
> >>A A [13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
> >>
> >>A A DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
> >>
> >>A A [14][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
> >>
> >>A A Strada Pantera
> >>
> >>A A [15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
> >>
> >>A A DeTomaso Friends
> >>
> >>A A [16][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
> >>
> >>A A DeTomaso Registry
> >>
> >>A A
> [17][23]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
> >>
> >>A A DeTomaso Club of France
> >>
> >>A A
> [18][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
> >>
> >>A A DeTomaso Owners of Australia
> >>
> >>A A [19][25]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
> >>
> >>A A Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our
> Japanese
> >>A A counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
> >>
> >>A A [20][26]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
> >>
> >>A A And many many more.
> >>
> >>A A A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
> There are
> >>A A over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related
> sites now.
> >>A A Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead
> of the
> >>A A forums and websites. TRUE.
> >>
> >>A A Like this one:
> >>
> >>A A Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you ever
> wanted to know
> >>A A and didn't know about the 351C!
> >>
> >>A A [22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
> >>
> >>A A Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access
> to all of
> >>A A this great stuff!!
> >>
> >>A A Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
> >>
> >>A A This is the future of our great club!
> >>
> >>A A In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
> Rally in San
> >>A A Diego.
> >>
> >>A A Enjoy!
> >>
> >>A A [23][29]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
> >>
> >>A A Ed Mendez
> >>
> >>A A Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> >>
> >> References
> >>
> >>A A 1.
> [30]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
> >>A A 2. [31]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
> >>A A 3.
> [32]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
> 62276?ref=hl
> >>A A 4. [33]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
> >>A A 5. [34]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
> >>A A 6.
> [35]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
> >>A A 7. [36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
> >>A A 8. [37]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> >>A A 9. [38]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
> >>A A 10. [39]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
> >>A A 11. panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
> >>A A 12. [41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
> >>A A 13. [42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
> >>A A 14. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
> >>A A 15. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
> >>A A 16. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
> >>A A 17.
> [46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
> >>A A 18.
> [47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
> >>A A 19. [48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
> >>A A 20. [49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
> >>A A 21. [50]http://351c.net/
> >>A A 22. [51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
> >>A A 23. [52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
> >>
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>References
>
> 1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> 3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 5. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
> 7. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
> 8. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
> 9. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
> 10. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
> 11. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
> 12. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
> 13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
> 14. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> 15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
> 16. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
> 17. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
> 18. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
> 19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
> 20. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
> 21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
> 22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
> 23. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
> 24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
> 25. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
> 26. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
> 27. http://351c.net/
> 28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
> 29. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
> 30. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
> 31. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
> 32.
>https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=
>hl
> 33. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
> 34. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
> 35. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
> 36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
> 37. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> 38. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
> 39. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
> 40. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
> 41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
> 42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
> 43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
> 44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
> 45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
> 46. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
> 47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
> 48. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
> 49. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
> 50. http://351c.net/
> 51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
> 52. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
> 53. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 54. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 55. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 56. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 20:31:41 -0500
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: <detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
Message-ID: <000001d15d59$78d19a50$6a74cef0$@com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Being that older crowd...
Is this discussion about how to communicate for social or for the exchange
of information.
If for the exchange and collection of information, how is FB superior to a
bulletin board format?
If for social communication, how is FB better than group email?
So far, my limited time with the POCA email, I have tolerated my dislike of
it so I can just associate with the group.
Joe/NC
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Larry Stock
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 20:04 PM
To: Jeff Detrich; Julian Kift
Cc: detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
You folks have got to understand that we are an older crowd here. Facebook
is a younger Demographic that we would reaching out to. As Ed Mendez has
noted that we also have a twitter account, then there is instagram, for
another Younger demographic. These are all just younger modes of
communication just like our old rotary phones used to be, technology just
keeps marching on. So there are now web pages, Facebook pages, and who know
what will be next. If we want to appeal to a younger market, we need to be
available on these newer communication modes. Lets at least give Ed credit
for putting us out there if some younger folks want to share our passion, at
least we can be available. We can always mail them a magazine.
Larry Stock
On 2/1/16, 4:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
<detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
> meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
> joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a
> new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric
> would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
> correlation to analyze.
> Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
> something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
> connection.A
> So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
> entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
> Jeff
> 6559
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
> <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
> scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
> I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
> notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
> comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living
> inside an Alzheimer's dream!
> And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
> causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras
> on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be
> worth millions if that's the case.
> In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
> posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a
> photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
> due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
> And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
> any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed
> up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
> Julian
> ________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez
> <[3]edducati at mac.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
> To: Charles McCall
> Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
> I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
> I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
> Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
> hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts
> daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
> several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
> page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
> limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
> ever pages you want to.
> I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
> Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
> recognition to our cars and has increased value.
> It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck
> I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
> Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
> The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already
> and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page,
> this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and
> get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
> chapters)
> So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
> pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try
> not to cross post so much. ;-)
> Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that
> love this car.
> We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
> @pocausa
> Ed
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
> <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ed,
> > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
> communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
> coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
> fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make
> sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen
> pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
> half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
> only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
> >
> > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people would
> belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
> all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
> into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <[6]edducati at mac.com>
> wrote:
> >>A A Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for
> every chapter
> >>A A of POCA.
> >>
> >>A A Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you
> don't
> >>A A already have one, because your missing out on some really
> good Pantera
> >>A A stuff...
> >>
> >>A A I have made all these pages so far:
> >>
> >>A A POCA Main FB page
> >>
> >>A A
> [1][7]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
> >>
> >>A A SDP FB Page
> >>
> >>A A [2][8]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
> >>
> >>A A Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
> >>
> >>A A
> [3][9]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
> 626227
> >>A A 6?ref=hl
> >>
> >>A A AZ Panteras
> >>
> >>A A [4][10]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
> >>
> >>A A Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
> >>
> >>A A [5][11]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
> >>
> >>A A POCA Main Group Page
> >>
> >>A A
> [6][12]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
> >>
> >>A A POCA Fun Rally Page
> >>
> >>A A [7][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
> >>
> >>A A and here is my personal page:
> >>
> >>A A [8][14]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> >>
> >>A A I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
> >>
> >>A A Other pages:
> >>
> >>A A Foothill Panteras - Secret group
> >>
> >>A A [9][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
> >>
> >>A A Panteras Northwest
> >>
> >>A A [10][16]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
> >>
> >>A A NY Panteras
> >>
> >>A A [11][17]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
> >>
> >>A A Jersey Panteras
> >>
> >>A A [12][18]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
> >>
> >>A A DeTomaso Pantera USA
> >>
> >>A A [13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
> >>
> >>A A DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
> >>
> >>A A [14][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
> >>
> >>A A Strada Pantera
> >>
> >>A A [15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
> >>
> >>A A DeTomaso Friends
> >>
> >>A A [16][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
> >>
> >>A A DeTomaso Registry
> >>
> >>A A
> [17][23]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
> >>
> >>A A DeTomaso Club of France
> >>
> >>A A
> [18][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
> >>
> >>A A DeTomaso Owners of Australia
> >>
> >>A A [19][25]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
> >>
> >>A A Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our
> Japanese
> >>A A counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
> >>
> >>A A [20][26]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
> >>
> >>A A And many many more.
> >>
> >>A A A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
> There are
> >>A A over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related
> sites now.
> >>A A Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead
> of the
> >>A A forums and websites. TRUE.
> >>
> >>A A Like this one:
> >>
> >>A A Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you ever
> wanted to know
> >>A A and didn't know about the 351C!
> >>
> >>A A [22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
> >>
> >>A A Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access
> to all of
> >>A A this great stuff!!
> >>
> >>A A Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
> >>
> >>A A This is the future of our great club!
> >>
> >>A A In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
> Rally in San
> >>A A Diego.
> >>
> >>A A Enjoy!
> >>
> >>A A [23][29]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
> >>
> >>A A Ed Mendez
> >>
> >>A A Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> >>
> >> References
> >>
> >>A A 1.
> [30]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
> >>A A 2. [31]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
> >>A A 3.
> [32]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
> 62276?ref=hl
> >>A A 4. [33]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
> >>A A 5. [34]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
> >>A A 6.
> [35]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
> >>A A 7. [36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
> >>A A 8. [37]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> >>A A 9. [38]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
> >>A A 10. [39]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
> >>A A 11. panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
> >>A A 12. [41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
> >>A A 13. [42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
> >>A A 14. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
> >>A A 15. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
> >>A A 16. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
> >>A A 17.
> [46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
> >>A A 18.
> [47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
> >>A A 19. [48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
> >>A A 20. [49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
> >>A A 21. [50]http://351c.net/
> >>A A 22. [51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
> >>A A 23. [52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
> >>
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>References
>
> 1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> 3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 5. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
> 7. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
> 8. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
> 9.
>https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
> 10. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
> 11. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
> 12. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
> 13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
> 14. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> 15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
> 16. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
> 17. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
> 18. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
> 19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
> 20. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
> 21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
> 22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
> 23. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
> 24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
> 25. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
> 26. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
> 27. http://351c.net/
> 28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
> 29. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
> 30. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
> 31. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
> 32.
>https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?r
>ef=
>hl
> 33. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
> 34. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
> 35. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
> 36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
> 37. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> 38. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
> 39. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
> 40. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
> 41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
> 42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
> 43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
> 44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
> 45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
> 46. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
> 47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
> 48. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
> 49. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
> 50. http://351c.net/
> 51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
> 52. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
> 53. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 54. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 55. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 56. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2016 14:46:45 +1300
From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>, Julian Kift
<julian_kift at hotmail.com>, "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>,
Space City Panteras <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com>, San Diego Panteras
<sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
Message-ID: <4EFD4C56-B471-4B67-989D-44BB5E489FD9 at mac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Thank you
Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> On 2/02/2016, at 14:03, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> You folks have got to understand that we are an older crowd here. Facebook
> is a younger Demographic that we would reaching out to. As Ed Mendez has
> noted that we also have a twitter account, then there is instagram, for
> another Younger demographic. These are all just younger modes of
> communication just like our old rotary phones used to be, technology just
> keeps marching on. So there are now web pages, Facebook pages, and who
> know what will be next. If we want to appeal to a younger market, we need
> to be available on these newer communication modes. Lets at least give Ed
> credit for putting us out there if some younger folks want to share our
> passion, at least we can be available. We can always mail them a magazine.
> Larry Stock
>
> On 2/1/16, 4:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
>> meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
>> joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a
>> new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric
>> would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
>> correlation to analyze.
>> Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
>> something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
>> connection.A
>> So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
>> entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
>> Jeff
>> 6559
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
>> <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
>> scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>> I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
>> notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
>> comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living
>> inside an Alzheimer's dream!
>> And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
>> causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras
>> on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be
>> worth millions if that's the case.
>> In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
>> posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a
>> photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
>> due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>> And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
>> any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed
>> up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
>> Julian
>> ________________________________________
>> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez
>> <[3]edducati at mac.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
>> To: Charles McCall
>> Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>> I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
>> I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>> Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
>> hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts
>> daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
>> several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
>> page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
>> limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
>> ever pages you want to.
>> I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
>> Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
>> recognition to our cars and has increased value.
>> It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck
>> I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
>> Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
>> The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already
>> and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page,
>> this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and
>> get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
>> chapters)
>> So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
>> pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try
>> not to cross post so much. ;-)
>> Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that
>> love this car.
>> We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
>> @pocausa
>> Ed
>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>>> On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
>>> <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ed,
>>> Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
>> communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
>> coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
>> fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make
>> sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen
>> pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
>> half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
>> only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
>>>
>>> It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people would
>> belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
>> all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
>> into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <[6]edducati at mac.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> A A Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for
>> every chapter
>>>> A A of POCA.
>>>>
>>>> A A Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you
>> don't
>>>> A A already have one, because your missing out on some really
>> good Pantera
>>>> A A stuff...
>>>>
>>>> A A I have made all these pages so far:
>>>>
>>>> A A POCA Main FB page
>>>>
>>>> A A
>> [1][7]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>>>
>>>> A A SDP FB Page
>>>>
>>>> A A [2][8]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>>>
>>>> A A Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
>>>>
>>>> A A
>> [3][9]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
>> 626227
>>>> A A 6?ref=hl
>>>>
>>>> A A AZ Panteras
>>>>
>>>> A A [4][10]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>>>
>>>> A A Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
>>>>
>>>> A A [5][11]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>>>
>>>> A A POCA Main Group Page
>>>>
>>>> A A
>> [6][12]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>>>
>>>> A A POCA Fun Rally Page
>>>>
>>>> A A [7][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>>>
>>>> A A and here is my personal page:
>>>>
>>>> A A [8][14]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>>>
>>>> A A I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
>>>>
>>>> A A Other pages:
>>>>
>>>> A A Foothill Panteras - Secret group
>>>>
>>>> A A [9][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>>>
>>>> A A Panteras Northwest
>>>>
>>>> A A [10][16]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>>>
>>>> A A NY Panteras
>>>>
>>>> A A [11][17]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>>>
>>>> A A Jersey Panteras
>>>>
>>>> A A [12][18]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>>>
>>>> A A DeTomaso Pantera USA
>>>>
>>>> A A [13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>>>
>>>> A A DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
>>>>
>>>> A A [14][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>>>
>>>> A A Strada Pantera
>>>>
>>>> A A [15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>>>
>>>> A A DeTomaso Friends
>>>>
>>>> A A [16][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>>>
>>>> A A DeTomaso Registry
>>>>
>>>> A A
>> [17][23]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>>>
>>>> A A DeTomaso Club of France
>>>>
>>>> A A
>> [18][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>>>
>>>> A A DeTomaso Owners of Australia
>>>>
>>>> A A [19][25]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>>>
>>>> A A Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our
>> Japanese
>>>> A A counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
>>>>
>>>> A A [20][26]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>>>
>>>> A A And many many more.
>>>>
>>>> A A A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
>> There are
>>>> A A over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related
>> sites now.
>>>> A A Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead
>> of the
>>>> A A forums and websites. TRUE.
>>>>
>>>> A A Like this one:
>>>>
>>>> A A Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you ever
>> wanted to know
>>>> A A and didn't know about the 351C!
>>>>
>>>> A A [22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>>>
>>>> A A Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access
>> to all of
>>>> A A this great stuff!!
>>>>
>>>> A A Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
>>>>
>>>> A A This is the future of our great club!
>>>>
>>>> A A In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
>> Rally in San
>>>> A A Diego.
>>>>
>>>> A A Enjoy!
>>>>
>>>> A A [23][29]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>>>
>>>> A A Ed Mendez
>>>>
>>>> A A Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>>>
>>>> References
>>>>
>>>> A A 1.
>> [30]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>>> A A 2. [31]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>>> A A 3.
>> [32]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
>> 62276?ref=hl
>>>> A A 4. [33]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>>> A A 5. [34]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>>> A A 6.
>> [35]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>>> A A 7. [36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>>> A A 8. [37]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>>> A A 9. [38]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>>> A A 10. [39]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>>> A A 11. panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>>> A A 12. [41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>>> A A 13. [42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>>> A A 14. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>>> A A 15. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>>> A A 16. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>>> A A 17.
>> [46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>>> A A 18.
>> [47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>>> A A 19. [48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>>> A A 20. [49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>>> A A 21. [50]http://351c.net/
>>>> A A 22. [51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>>> A A 23. [52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
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>> 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>> 3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 5. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
>> 6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>> 7. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>> 8. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>> 9. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
>> 10. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>> 11. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>> 12. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>> 13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>> 14. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>> 15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>> 16. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>> 17. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>> 18. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>> 19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>> 20. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>> 21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>> 22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>> 23. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>> 24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>> 25. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>> 26. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>> 27. http://351c.net/
>> 28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>> 29. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>> 30. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>> 31. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>> 32.
>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=
>> hl
>> 33. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>> 34. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>> 35. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>> 36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>> 37. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>> 38. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>> 39. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>> 40. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>> 41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>> 42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>> 43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>> 44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>> 45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>> 46. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>> 47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>> 48. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>> 49. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>> 50. http://351c.net/
>> 51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>> 52. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>> 53. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 54. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 21:46:52 -0500
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: "'Ed Mendez'" <edducati at mac.com>
Cc: <detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
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Please except my apology for comments I've made today being disparaging
towards your efforts.
Joseph Byrd
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Ed Mendez
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 20:47 PM
To: Larry Stock
Cc: Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras; detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
Thank you
Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> On 2/02/2016, at 14:03, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> You folks have got to understand that we are an older crowd here.
> Facebook is a younger Demographic that we would reaching out to. As Ed
> Mendez has noted that we also have a twitter account, then there is
> instagram, for another Younger demographic. These are all just younger
> modes of communication just like our old rotary phones used to be,
> technology just keeps marching on. So there are now web pages,
> Facebook pages, and who know what will be next. If we want to appeal
> to a younger market, we need to be available on these newer
> communication modes. Lets at least give Ed credit for putting us out
> there if some younger folks want to share our passion, at least we can be
available. We can always mail them a magazine.
> Larry Stock
>
> On 2/1/16, 4:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple
>> and meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why
>> they joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook
>> gets a new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second
>> metric would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
>> correlation to analyze.
>> Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to
>> sell something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
>> connection.A So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first
>> it is entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
>> Jeff
>> 6559
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
>> <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
>> scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>> I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
>> notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
>> comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living
>> inside an Alzheimer's dream!
>> And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
>> causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras
>> on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be
>> worth millions if that's the case.
>> In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
>> posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a
>> photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
>> due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>> And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
>> any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed
>> up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
>> Julian
>> ________________________________________
>> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez
>> <[3]edducati at mac.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
>> To: Charles McCall
>> Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>> I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
>> I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>> Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
>> hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts
>> daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
>> several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
>> page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
>> limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
>> ever pages you want to.
>> I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
>> Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
>> recognition to our cars and has increased value.
>> It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck
>> I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
>> Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
>> The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already
>> and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page,
>> this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and
>> get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
>> chapters)
>> So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
>> pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try
>> not to cross post so much. ;-)
>> Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that
>> love this car.
>> We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
>> @pocausa
>> Ed
>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>>> On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
>>> <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ed,
>>> Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
>> communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
>> coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
>> fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make
>> sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen
>> pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
>> half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
>> only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
>>>
>>> It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people would
>> belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
>> all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
>> into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <[6]edducati at mac.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> A A Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for
>> every chapter
>>>> A A of POCA.
>>>>
>>>> A A Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you
>> don't
>>>> A A already have one, because your missing out on some really
>> good Pantera
>>>> A A stuff...
>>>>
>>>> A A I have made all these pages so far:
>>>>
>>>> A A POCA Main FB page
>>>>
>>>> A A
>> [1][7]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>>>
>>>> A A SDP FB Page
>>>>
>>>> A A [2][8]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>>>
>>>> A A Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
>>>>
>>>> A A
>> [3][9]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
>> 626227
>>>> A A 6?ref=hl
>>>>
>>>> A A AZ Panteras
>>>>
>>>> A A [4][10]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>>>
>>>> A A Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
>>>>
>>>> A A [5][11]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>>>
>>>> A A POCA Main Group Page
>>>>
>>>> A A
>> [6][12]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>>>
>>>> A A POCA Fun Rally Page
>>>>
>>>> A A [7][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>>>
>>>> A A and here is my personal page:
>>>>
>>>> A A [8][14]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>>>
>>>> A A I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
>>>>
>>>> A A Other pages:
>>>>
>>>> A A Foothill Panteras - Secret group
>>>>
>>>> A A [9][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>>>
>>>> A A Panteras Northwest
>>>>
>>>> A A [10][16]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>>>
>>>> A A NY Panteras
>>>>
>>>> A A [11][17]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>>>
>>>> A A Jersey Panteras
>>>>
>>>> A A [12][18]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>>>
>>>> A A DeTomaso Pantera USA
>>>>
>>>> A A [13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>>>
>>>> A A DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
>>>>
>>>> A A [14][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>>>
>>>> A A Strada Pantera
>>>>
>>>> A A [15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>>>
>>>> A A DeTomaso Friends
>>>>
>>>> A A [16][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>>>
>>>> A A DeTomaso Registry
>>>>
>>>> A A
>>
>> [17][23]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>>>
>>>> A A DeTomaso Club of France
>>>>
>>>> A A
>>
>> [18][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>>>
>>>> A A DeTomaso Owners of Australia
>>>>
>>>> A A [19][25]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>>>
>>>> A A Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our
>> Japanese
>>>> A A counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
>>>>
>>>> A A [20][26]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>>>
>>>> A A And many many more.
>>>>
>>>> A A A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
>> There are
>>>> A A over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related
>> sites now.
>>>> A A Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead
>> of the
>>>> A A forums and websites. TRUE.
>>>>
>>>> A A Like this one:
>>>>
>>>> A A Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you ever
>> wanted to know
>>>> A A and didn't know about the 351C!
>>>>
>>>> A A [22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>>>
>>>> A A Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access
>> to all of
>>>> A A this great stuff!!
>>>>
>>>> A A Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
>>>>
>>>> A A This is the future of our great club!
>>>>
>>>> A A In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
>> Rally in San
>>>> A A Diego.
>>>>
>>>> A A Enjoy!
>>>>
>>>> A A [23][29]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>>>
>>>> A A Ed Mendez
>>>>
>>>> A A Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>>>
>>>> References
>>>>
>>>> A A 1.
>> [30]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>>> A A 2. [31]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>>> A A 3.
>> [32]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
>> 62276?ref=hl
>>>> A A 4. [33]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>>> A A 5. [34]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>>> A A 6.
>> [35]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>>> A A 7. [36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>>> A A 8. [37]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>>> A A 9. [38]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>>> A A 10. [39]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>>> A A 11. panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>>> A A 12. [41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>>> A A 13. [42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>>> A A 14. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>>> A A 15. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>>> A A 16. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>>> A A 17.
>> [46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>>> A A 18.
>> [47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>>> A A 19. [48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>>> A A 20. [49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>>> A A 21. [50]http://351c.net/
>>>> A A 22. [51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>>> A A 23. [52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
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>> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 5. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
>> 6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>> 7. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>> 8. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>> 9.
>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
>> 10. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>> 11. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>> 12. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>> 13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>> 14. https://www.facebook.com/edducati 15.
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>> 16. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>> 17. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>> 18. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>> 19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>> 20. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>> 21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>> 22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>> 23. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>> 24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>> 25. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>> 26. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>> 27. http://351c.net/
>> 28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>> 29. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>> 30. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>> 31. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>> 32.
>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276
>> ?ref=
>> hl
>> 33. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>> 34. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>> 35. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>> 36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>> 37. https://www.facebook.com/edducati 38.
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>> 39. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>> 40. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>> 41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>> 42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>> 43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>> 44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>> 45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>> 46. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>> 47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>> 48. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>> 49. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>> 50. http://351c.net/
>> 51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>> 52. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>> 53. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 54. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 55. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 19:17:43 -0800
From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
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Don't get me wrong, I think Ed's done a great job of getting POCA into
the facebook generation; I just think there is a limit here and huge
potential for diminishing returns. By recommending everybody have one
and each Chapter have one, I think it dilutes things, but then again,
I'm an Introvert by nature and don't think facebook is actually a good
thing at all.
How many kids have committed suicide because they were bullied on facebook?
How many kids have lost jobs because of posts where they should have
kept their mouth shut, or a photo they should never got themselves into
a position to have taken.
How many people have lost marriages for similar reasons?
How many of you have heard about the Dad, who used to look at porn
occasionally until he stumbled on porn of his -daughter- one day?
(sorry, that in itself doesn't have a huge connection to facebook).
facebook like other things needs to be done in moderation; just a little
dab will do you. Too many kids end up relying on it to boost their own
morale and their self-esteem, and then when they do something stupid
they can't take the shaming. How many adults fall into this problem?
I think too many parents aren't watching what their kids are doing; the
parents are the ones who should boost kids self-esteem and help pick
them up when they've done something stupid. Too many facebook friends
aren't even acquaintances and yet some kinds rely on their every word to
stay alive.
Sorry for devolving this, but I tend to get a little pissy when people
try to "pressure" me into getting on facebook, or twitter, or
instragram, etc. when I see hardly any purpose.
I've got a facebook page and I typically visit it about once every six
months. I don't really need it.
Asa Jay
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
On 2/1/2016 5:03 PM, Larry Stock wrote:
> You folks have got to understand that we are an older crowd here. Facebook
> is a younger Demographic that we would reaching out to. As Ed Mendez has
> noted that we also have a twitter account, then there is instagram, for
> another Younger demographic. These are all just younger modes of
> communication just like our old rotary phones used to be, technology just
> keeps marching on. So there are now web pages, Facebook pages, and who
> know what will be next. If we want to appeal to a younger market, we need
> to be available on these newer communication modes. Lets at least give Ed
> credit for putting us out there if some younger folks want to share our
> passion, at least we can be available. We can always mail them a magazine.
> Larry Stock
>
> On 2/1/16, 4:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
>> meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
>> joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a
>> new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric
>> would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
>> correlation to analyze.
>> Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
>> something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
>> connection.A
>> So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
>> entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
>> Jeff
>> 6559
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
>> <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
>> scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>> I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
>> notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
>> comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living
>> inside an Alzheimer's dream!
>> And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
>> causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras
>> on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be
>> worth millions if that's the case.
>> In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
>> posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a
>> photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
>> due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>> And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
>> any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed
>> up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
>> Julian
>> ________________________________________
>> From: DeTomaso<[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez
>> <[3]edducati at mac.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
>> To: Charles McCall
>> Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>> I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
>> I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>> Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
>> hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts
>> daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
>> several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
>> page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
>> limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
>> ever pages you want to.
>> I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
>> Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
>> recognition to our cars and has increased value.
>> It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck
>> I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
>> Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
>> The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already
>> and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page,
>> this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and
>> get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
>> chapters)
>> So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
>> pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try
>> not to cross post so much. ;-)
>> Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that
>> love this car.
>> We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
>> @pocausa
>> Ed
>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>> > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
>> <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ed,
>> > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
>> communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
>> coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
>> fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make
>> sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen
>> pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
>> half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
>> only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
>> >
>> > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people would
>> belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
>> all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
>> into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
>> >
>> > What do you think?
>> >
>> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez<[6]edducati at mac.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>A A Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for
>> every chapter
>> >>A A of POCA.
>> >>
>> >>A A Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you
>> don't
>> >>A A already have one, because your missing out on some really
>> good Pantera
>> >>A A stuff...
>> >>
>> >>A A I have made all these pages so far:
>> >>
>> >>A A POCA Main FB page
>> >>
>> >>A A
>> [1][7]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>> >>
>> >>A A SDP FB Page
>> >>
>> >>A A [2][8]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>> >>
>> >>A A Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
>> >>
>> >>A A
>> [3][9]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
>> 626227
>> >>A A 6?ref=hl
>> >>
>> >>A A AZ Panteras
>> >>
>> >>A A [4][10]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>> >>
>> >>A A Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
>> >>
>> >>A A [5][11]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>> >>
>> >>A A POCA Main Group Page
>> >>
>> >>A A
>> [6][12]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>> >>
>> >>A A POCA Fun Rally Page
>> >>
>> >>A A [7][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>> >>
>> >>A A and here is my personal page:
>> >>
>> >>A A [8][14]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>> >>
>> >>A A I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
>> >>
>> >>A A Other pages:
>> >>
>> >>A A Foothill Panteras - Secret group
>> >>
>> >>A A [9][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>> >>
>> >>A A Panteras Northwest
>> >>
>> >>A A [10][16]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>> >>
>> >>A A NY Panteras
>> >>
>> >>A A [11][17]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>> >>
>> >>A A Jersey Panteras
>> >>
>> >>A A [12][18]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>> >>
>> >>A A DeTomaso Pantera USA
>> >>
>> >>A A [13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>> >>
>> >>A A DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
>> >>
>> >>A A [14][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>> >>
>> >>A A Strada Pantera
>> >>
>> >>A A [15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>> >>
>> >>A A DeTomaso Friends
>> >>
>> >>A A [16][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>> >>
>> >>A A DeTomaso Registry
>> >>
>> >>A A
>> [17][23]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>> >>
>> >>A A DeTomaso Club of France
>> >>
>> >>A A
>> [18][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>> >>
>> >>A A DeTomaso Owners of Australia
>> >>
>> >>A A [19][25]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>> >>
>> >>A A Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our
>> Japanese
>> >>A A counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
>> >>
>> >>A A [20][26]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>> >>
>> >>A A And many many more.
>> >>
>> >>A A A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
>> There are
>> >>A A over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related
>> sites now.
>> >>A A Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead
>> of the
>> >>A A forums and websites. TRUE.
>> >>
>> >>A A Like this one:
>> >>
>> >>A A Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you ever
>> wanted to know
>> >>A A and didn't know about the 351C!
>> >>
>> >>A A [22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>> >>
>> >>A A Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access
>> to all of
>> >>A A this great stuff!!
>> >>
>> >>A A Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
>> >>
>> >>A A This is the future of our great club!
>> >>
>> >>A A In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
>> Rally in San
>> >>A A Diego.
>> >>
>> >>A A Enjoy!
>> >>
>> >>A A [23][29]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>> >>
>> >>A A Ed Mendez
>> >>
>> >>A A Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>> >>
>> >> References
>> >>
>> >>A A 1.
>> [30]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>> >>A A 2. [31]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>> >>A A 3.
>> [32]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
>> 62276?ref=hl
>> >>A A 4. [33]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>> >>A A 5. [34]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>> >>A A 6.
>> [35]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>> >>A A 7. [36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>> >>A A 8. [37]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>> >>A A 9. [38]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>> >>A A 10. [39]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>> >>A A 11. panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>> >>A A 12. [41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>> >>A A 13. [42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>> >>A A 14. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>> >>A A 15. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>> >>A A 16. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>> >>A A 17.
>> [46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>> >>A A 18.
>> [47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>> >>A A 19. [48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>> >>A A 20. [49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>> >>A A 21. [50]http://351c.net/
>> >>A A 22. [51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>> >>A A 23. [52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>> >>
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>> 1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>> 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>> 3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 5. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
>> 6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>> 7. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>> 8. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>> 9. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
>> 10. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>> 11. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>> 12. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>> 13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>> 14. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>> 15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>> 16. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>> 17. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>> 18. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>> 19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>> 20. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>> 21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>> 22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>> 23. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>> 24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>> 25. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>> 26. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>> 27. http://351c.net/
>> 28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>> 29. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>> 30. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>> 31. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>> 32.
>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=
>> hl
>> 33. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>> 34. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>> 35. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>> 36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>> 37. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>> 38. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>> 39. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>> 40. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>> 41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>> 42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>> 43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>> 44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>> 45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>> 46. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>> 47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>> 48. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>> 49. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>> 50. http://351c.net/
>> 51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>> 52. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>> 53. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 54. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 55. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 56. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 22:55:35 -0500
From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
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Ed is doing a super job, we are lucky to have him and his role will be
expanding soon to include website features.
In that most of the new buyers of our cars that are paying 70K -240K are
not "old" guys but younger and middle aged guys, they are the future of
POCA and that includes the way they communicate and their 10 second
attention span.
We must embrace all these communication methods as well as preserve the
work product of the last 40 years of newsletters, Profiles and even Pantera
International's efforts.
They are combined, our version of the Magna Carta, US Constitution and
Gettysburg Address.
Sadly, many of the old guys will leave the fold for health reasons or
ultimate non-health reasons. We are already behind in preparations to meet
the expectations of these more affluent collectors, we must catch up.
Moreover, with 27% of the newest demographic "millenials" not even getting
a driver's license by age 25 ( bunch of p#@$&#), we have to compete for the
few that were raised right with an appreciation for fine autos and
motorsports.
Let's not take the BS attitude of some who seem to want to let POCA die
when they do, that would be a far greater loss, there is too much knowledge
and expertise that must be saved.
Remember, we are simply caretakers of these cars.
I go to car shows and concours and while I love looking at the cars, I wish
they could talk, can you imagine the stories a Model J Duesenberg or a 810
Cord could tell?
Michael Shortt
On Feb 1, 2016 10:18 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton" <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
> Don't get me wrong, I think Ed's done a great job of getting POCA into the
> facebook generation; I just think there is a limit here and huge potential
> for diminishing returns. By recommending everybody have one and each
> Chapter have one, I think it dilutes things, but then again, I'm an
> Introvert by nature and don't think facebook is actually a good thing at
> all.
>
> How many kids have committed suicide because they were bullied on facebook?
> How many kids have lost jobs because of posts where they should have kept
> their mouth shut, or a photo they should never got themselves into a
> position to have taken.
> How many people have lost marriages for similar reasons?
> How many of you have heard about the Dad, who used to look at porn
> occasionally until he stumbled on porn of his -daughter- one day? (sorry,
> that in itself doesn't have a huge connection to facebook).
>
> facebook like other things needs to be done in moderation; just a little
> dab will do you. Too many kids end up relying on it to boost their own
> morale and their self-esteem, and then when they do something stupid they
> can't take the shaming. How many adults fall into this problem?
>
> I think too many parents aren't watching what their kids are doing; the
> parents are the ones who should boost kids self-esteem and help pick them
> up when they've done something stupid. Too many facebook friends aren't
> even acquaintances and yet some kinds rely on their every word to stay
> alive.
>
> Sorry for devolving this, but I tend to get a little pissy when people try
> to "pressure" me into getting on facebook, or twitter, or instragram, etc.
> when I see hardly any purpose.
>
> I've got a facebook page and I typically visit it about once every six
> months. I don't really need it.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
> On 2/1/2016 5:03 PM, Larry Stock wrote:
>
>> You folks have got to understand that we are an older crowd here. Facebook
>> is a younger Demographic that we would reaching out to. As Ed Mendez has
>> noted that we also have a twitter account, then there is instagram, for
>> another Younger demographic. These are all just younger modes of
>> communication just like our old rotary phones used to be, technology just
>> keeps marching on. So there are now web pages, Facebook pages, and who
>> know what will be next. If we want to appeal to a younger market, we need
>> to be available on these newer communication modes. Lets at least give Ed
>> credit for putting us out there if some younger folks want to share our
>> passion, at least we can be available. We can always mail them a magazine.
>> Larry Stock
>>
>> On 2/1/16, 4:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
>> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
>>> meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
>>> joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a
>>> new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric
>>> would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
>>> correlation to analyze.
>>> Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
>>> something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
>>> connection.A
>>> So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
>>> entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
>>> Jeff
>>> 6559
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
>>> <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
>>> scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>>> I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
>>> notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
>>> comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living
>>> inside an Alzheimer's dream!
>>> And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
>>> causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras
>>> on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be
>>> worth millions if that's the case.
>>> In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
>>> posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a
>>> photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
>>> due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>>> And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
>>> any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed
>>> up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
>>> Julian
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: DeTomaso<[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed
>>> Mendez
>>> <[3]edducati at mac.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
>>> To: Charles McCall
>>> Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>>> I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
>>> I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>>> Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
>>> hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts
>>> daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
>>> several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
>>> page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
>>> limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
>>> ever pages you want to.
>>> I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
>>> Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
>>> recognition to our cars and has increased value.
>>> It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck
>>> I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
>>> Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
>>> The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already
>>> and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page,
>>> this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and
>>> get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
>>> chapters)
>>> So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
>>> pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try
>>> not to cross post so much. ;-)
>>> Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that
>>> love this car.
>>> We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
>>> @pocausa
>>> Ed
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>> > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
>>> <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Ed,
>>> > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
>>> communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
>>> coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
>>> fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make
>>> sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen
>>> pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
>>> half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
>>> only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
>>> >
>>> > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people would
>>> belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
>>> all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
>>> into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
>>> >
>>> > What do you think?
>>> >
>>> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez<[6]edducati at mac.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>A A Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for
>>> every chapter
>>> >>A A of POCA.
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you
>>> don't
>>> >>A A already have one, because your missing out on some really
>>> good Pantera
>>> >>A A stuff...
>>> >>
>>> >>A A I have made all these pages so far:
>>> >>
>>> >>A A POCA Main FB page
>>> >>
>>> >>A A
>>> [1][7]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>> >>
>>> >>A A SDP FB Page
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [2][8]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
>>> >>
>>> >>A A
>>> [3][9]
>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
>>> 626227
>>> >>A A 6?ref=hl
>>> >>
>>> >>A A AZ Panteras
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [4][10]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [5][11]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>> >>
>>> >>A A POCA Main Group Page
>>> >>
>>> >>A A
>>> [6][12]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A POCA Fun Rally Page
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [7][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A and here is my personal page:
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [8][14]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>> >>
>>> >>A A I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Other pages:
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Foothill Panteras - Secret group
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [9][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Panteras Northwest
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [10][16]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>> >>
>>> >>A A NY Panteras
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [11][17]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Jersey Panteras
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [12][18]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>> >>
>>> >>A A DeTomaso Pantera USA
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [14][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Strada Pantera
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A DeTomaso Friends
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [16][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A DeTomaso Registry
>>> >>
>>> >>A A
>>> [17][23]
>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>> >>
>>> >>A A DeTomaso Club of France
>>> >>
>>> >>A A
>>> [18][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>> >>
>>> >>A A DeTomaso Owners of Australia
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [19][25]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our
>>> Japanese
>>> >>A A counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [20][26]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>> >>
>>> >>A A And many many more.
>>> >>
>>> >>A A A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
>>> There are
>>> >>A A over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related
>>> sites now.
>>> >>A A Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead
>>> of the
>>> >>A A forums and websites. TRUE.
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Like this one:
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you ever
>>> wanted to know
>>> >>A A and didn't know about the 351C!
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access
>>> to all of
>>> >>A A this great stuff!!
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
>>> >>
>>> >>A A This is the future of our great club!
>>> >>
>>> >>A A In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
>>> Rally in San
>>> >>A A Diego.
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Enjoy!
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [23][29]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Ed Mendez
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>> >>
>>> >> References
>>> >>
>>> >>A A 1.
>>> [30]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>> >>A A 2. [31]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>> >>A A 3.
>>> [32]
>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
>>> 62276?ref=hl
>>> >>A A 4. [33]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>> >>A A 5. [34]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>> >>A A 6.
>>> [35]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>> >>A A 7. [36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>> >>A A 8. [37]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>> >>A A 9. [38]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>> >>A A 10. [39]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>> >>A A 11. panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>> >>A A 12. [41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>> >>A A 13. [42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>> >>A A 14. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>> >>A A 15. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>> >>A A 16. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>> >>A A 17.
>>> [46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>> >>A A 18.
>>> [47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>> >>A A 19. [48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>> >>A A 20. [49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>> >>A A 21. [50]http://351c.net/
>>> >>A A 22. [51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>> >>A A 23. [52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>> >>
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>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>>> 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>> 3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>>> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>>> 5. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
>>> 6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>>> 7. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>> 8. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>> 9.
>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
>>> 10. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>> 11. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>> 12. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>> 13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>> 14. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>> 15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>> 16. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>> 17. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>> 18. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>> 19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>> 20. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>> 21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>> 22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>> 23. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>> 24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>> 25. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>> 26. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>> 27. http://351c.net/
>>> 28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>> 29. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>> 30. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>> 31. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>> 32.
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=
>>> hl
>>> 33. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>> 34. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>> 35. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>> 36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>> 37. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>> 38. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>> 39. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>> 40. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>> 41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>> 42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>> 43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>> 44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>> 45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>> 46. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>> 47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>> 48. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>> 49. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>> 50. http://351c.net/
>>> 51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>> 52. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>> 53. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>> 54. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>> 55. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>> 56. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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Ed is doing a super job, we are lucky to have him and his role will be
expanding soon to include website features.
In that most of the new buyers of our cars that are paying 70K -240K
are not "old" guys but younger and middle aged guys, they are the
future of POCA and that includes the way they communicate and their 10
second attention span.
We must embrace all these communication methods as well as preserve the
work product of the last 40 years of newsletters, Profiles and even
Pantera International's efforts.
They are combined, our version of the Magna Carta, USA Constitution
and Gettysburg Address.
Sadly, many of the old guys will leave the fold for health reasons or
ultimate non-health reasons. We are already behind in preparations to
meet the expectations of these more affluent collectors, we must catch
up.
Moreover, with 27% of the newest demographic "millenials" not even
getting a driver's license by age 25 ( bunch of p#@$&#), we have to
compete for the few that were raised right with an appreciation for
fine autos and motorsports.
Let's not take the BS attitude of some who seem to want to let POCA die
when they do, that would be a far greater loss, there is too much
knowledge and expertise that must be saved.
Remember, we are simply caretakers of these cars.
I go to car shows and concours and while I love looking at the cars, I
wish they could talk, can you imagine the stories a Model J Duesenberg
or a 810 Cord could tell?
Michael Shortt
On Feb 1, 2016 10:18 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton" <[1]asajay at asajay.com>
wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I think Ed's done a great job of getting POCA
into the facebook generation; I just think there is a limit here and
huge potential for diminishing returns.A By recommending everybody
have one and each Chapter have one, I think it dilutes things, but
then again, I'm an Introvert by nature and don't think facebook is
actually a good thing at all.
How many kids have committed suicide because they were bullied on
facebook?
How many kids have lost jobs because of posts where they should have
kept their mouth shut, or a photo they should never got themselves
into a position to have taken.
How many people have lost marriages for similar reasons?
How many of you have heard about the Dad, who used to look at porn
occasionally until he stumbled on porn of his -daughter- one day?A
(sorry, that in itself doesn't have a huge connection to facebook).
facebook like other things needs to be done in moderation; just a
little dab will do you.A Too many kids end up relying on it to
boost their own morale and their self-esteem, and then when they do
something stupid they can't take the shaming.A How many adults fall
into this problem?
I think too many parents aren't watching what their kids are doing;
the parents are the ones who should boost kids self-esteem and help
pick them up when they've done something stupid.A Too many facebook
friends aren't even acquaintances and yet some kinds rely on their
every word to stay alive.
Sorry for devolving this, but I tend to get a little pissy when
people try to "pressure" me into getting on facebook, or twitter, or
instragram, etc. when I see hardly any purpose.
I've got a facebook page and I typically visit it about once every
six months.A I don't really need it.
AsaA Jay
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&A Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
[2]http://www.racingagainstautism.com
[3]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
[4]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
On 2/1/2016 5:03 PM, Larry Stock wrote:
You folks have got to understand that we are an older crowd here.
Facebook
is a younger Demographic that we would reaching out to. As Ed Mendez
has
noted that we also have a twitter account, then there is instagram,
for
another Younger demographic. These are all just younger modes of
communication just like our old rotary phones used to be, technology
just
keeps marching on. So there are now web pages, Facebook pages, and
who
know what will be next. If we want to appeal to a younger market, we
need
to be available on these newer communication modes. Lets at least
give Ed
credit for putting us out there if some younger folks want to share
our
passion, at least we can be available. We can always mail them a
magazine.
Larry Stock
On 2/1/16, 4:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
<[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of [6]jjdetrich at gmail.com>A
wrote:
A A The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A
simple and
A A meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why
they
A A joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook
gets a
A A new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second
metric
A A would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
A A correlation to analyze.
A A Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start
to sell
A A something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
A A connection.A
A A So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
A A entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
A A Jeff
A A 6559
A A On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
A A <[1][7]julian_kift at hotmail.com>A wrote:
A A A There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of
Facebook a) be
A A A scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
A A A I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get
3
A A A notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then
someone
A A A comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's
like living
A A A inside an Alzheimer's dream!
A A A And there we go with statistics again; that assumption
correlation =
A A A causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of
Panteras
A A A on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog
would be
A A A worth millions if that's the case.
A A A In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through
other FB
A A A posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a
caption on a
A A A photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it
without any
A A A due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true
right!
A A A And now there's the targeted advertising, search for
something on
A A A any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm
already fed
A A A up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
A A A Julian
A A A ________________________________________
A A A From: DeTomaso<[2][8]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>A on behalf
of Ed Mendez
A A A <[3][9]edducati at mac.com>
A A A Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
A A A To: Charles McCall
A A A Cc: [4][10]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego
Panteras
A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
A A A I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my
fault. :-)
A A A I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been
told.
A A A Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a
lot of
A A A hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s
of posts
A A A daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done
across
A A A several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on
your own
A A A page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts.
You can
A A A limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to
which
A A A ever pages you want to.
A A A I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB
with
A A A Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
A A A recognition to our cars and has increased value.
A A A It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts
together. Heck
A A A I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes
of
A A A Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
A A A The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't
already
A A A and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own
FB page,
A A A this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line -
grow and
A A A get people interested. All the pages are there already (for
the
A A A chapters)
A A A So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the
groups and
A A A pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good,
I'll try
A A A not to cross post so much. ;-)
A A A Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite
all that
A A A love this car.
A A A We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
A A A @pocausa
A A A Ed
A A A Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
A A A >A On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
A A A <[5][11]charlesmccall at gmail.com>A wrote:
A A A >
A A A >A Ed,
A A A >A Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative
for
A A A communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
A A A coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that
have a
A A A fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want
to make
A A A sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a
half-dozen
A A A pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same
message a
A A A half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and
it will
A A A only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera
pages.
A A A >
A A A >A It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most
people would
A A A belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to
them
A A A all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso
world
A A A into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
A A A >
A A A >A What do you think?
A A A >
A A A >>A On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed
Mendez<[6][12]edducati at mac.com>
A A A wrote:
A A A >>AA AA Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook
liaison for
A A A every chapter
A A A >>AA AA of POCA.
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook
account if you
A A A don't
A A A >>AA AA already have one, because your missing out on some
really
A A A good Pantera
A A A >>AA AA stuff...
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA I have made all these pages so far:
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA POCA Main FB page
A A A >>
A A A >>AA A
A A
A [1][7][13]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=
hl
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA SDP FB Page
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[2][8][14]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
A A A >>
A A A >>AA A
A A
A [3][9][15]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57
170650
A A A 626227
A A A >>AA AA 6?ref=hl
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA AZ Panteras
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA [4][10][16]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA [5][11][17]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA POCA Main Group Page
A A A >>
A A A >>AA A
A A
A [6][12][18]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmer
ica/
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA POCA Fun Rally Page
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[7][13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA and here is my personal page:
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA [8][14][20]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA I've also made a Facebook page for each and every
chapter.
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Other pages:
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Foothill Panteras - Secret group
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[9][15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Panteras Northwest
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[10][16][22]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA NY Panteras
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[11][17][23]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Jersey Panteras
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[12][18][24]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA DeTomaso Pantera USA
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[13][19][25]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[14][20][26]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Strada Pantera
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[15][21][27]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA DeTomaso Friends
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[16][22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA DeTomaso Registry
A A A >>
A A A >>AA A
A A
A [17][23][29]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222
512926
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA DeTomaso Club of France
A A A >>
A A A >>AA A
A A
A [18][24][30]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/1101527
42239
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA DeTomaso Owners of Australia
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[19][25][31]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see
what our
A A A Japanese
A A A >>AA AA counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[20][26][32]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA And many many more.
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA A lot of these popped up since I started ours,
some before.
A A A There are
A A A >>AA AA over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp,
etc related
A A A sites now.
A A A >>AA AA Many people are now using Facebook to ask
questions instead
A A A of the
A A A >>AA AA forums and websites. TRUE.
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Like this one:
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Clevelands Forever - [21][27][33]351c.net -
anything you ever
A A A wanted to know
A A A >>AA AA and didn't know about the 351C!
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[22][28][34]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't
have access
A A A to all of
A A A >>AA AA this great stuff!!
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA This is the future of our great club!
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA In the meantime please enjoy this video of the
POCA Fun
A A A Rally in San
A A A >>AA AA Diego.
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Enjoy!
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA [23][29][35]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Ed Mendez
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
A A A >>
A A A >>A References
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA 1.
A A
A [30][36]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
A A A >>AA AA 2.
[31][37]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
A A A >>AA AA 3.
A A
A [32][38]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717
065062
A A A 62276?ref=hl
A A A >>AA AA 4. [33][39]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
A A A >>AA AA 5. [34][40]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
A A A >>AA AA 6.
A A
A [35][41]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica
/
A A A >>AA AA 7.
[36][42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
A A A >>AA AA 8. [37][43]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
A A A >>AA AA 9.
[38][44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
A A A >>AA A 10.
[39][45]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
A A A >>AA A 11.
panterashttps://[40][46]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
A A A >>AA A 12. [41][47]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
A A A >>AA A 13.
[42][48]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
A A A >>AA A 14.
[43][49]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
A A A >>AA A 15.
[44][50]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
A A A >>AA A 16.
[45][51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
A A A >>AA A 17.
A A
A [46][52]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/432225129
26
A A A >>AA A 18.
A A
A [47][53]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/11015274223
9
A A A >>AA A 19.
[48][54]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
A A A >>AA A 20.
[49][55]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
A A A >>AA A 21. [50][56]http://351c.net/
A A A >>AA A 22.
[51][57]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
A A A >>AA A 23. [52][58]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
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A A 2. mailto:[64]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
A A 3. mailto:[65]edducati at mac.com
A A 4. mailto:[66]detomaso at poca.com
A A 5. mailto:[67]charlesmccall at gmail.com
A A 6. mailto:[68]edducati at mac.com
A A 7.
[69]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
A A 8. [70]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
A A 9.
[71]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
6227
A 10. [72]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
A 11. [73]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
A 12.
[74]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
A 13. [75]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
A 14. [76]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
A 15. [77]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
A 16. [78]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
A 17. [79]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
A 18. [80]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
A 19. [81]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
A 20. [82]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
A 21. [83]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
A 22. [84]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
A 23.
[85]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
A 24.
[86]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
A 25. [87]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
A 26. [88]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
A 27. [89]http://351c.net/
A 28. [90]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
A 29. [91]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
A 30.
[92]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
A 31. [93]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
A 32.
[94]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
62276?ref=
hl
A 33. [95]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
A 34. [96]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
A 35.
[97]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
A 36. [98]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
A 37. [99]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
A 38. [100]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
A 39. [101]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
A 40. [102]http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
A 41. [103]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
A 42. [104]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
A 43. [105]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
A 44. [106]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
A 45. [107]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
A 46.
[108]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
A 47.
[109]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
A 48. [110]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
A 49. [111]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
A 50. [112]http://351c.net/
A 51. [113]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
A 52. [114]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
A 53. mailto:[115]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 54. [116]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 55. mailto:[117]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 56. [118]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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References
1. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
2. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/
3. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
4. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
6. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
7. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
8. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
9. mailto:edducati at mac.com
10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
11. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
12. mailto:edducati at mac.com
13. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
14. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
15. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
16. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
17. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
18. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
20. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
22. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
23. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
24. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
25. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
26. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
27. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
29. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
30. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
31. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
32. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
33. http://351c.net/
34. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
35. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
36. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
37. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
38. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
39. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
40. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
41. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
43. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
45. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
46. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
47. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
48. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
49. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
50. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
52. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
53. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
54. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
55. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
56. http://351c.net/
57. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
58. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
59. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
60. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
61. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
62. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
63. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
64. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
65. mailto:edducati at mac.com
66. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
67. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
68. mailto:edducati at mac.com
69. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
70. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
71. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
72. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
73. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
74. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
75. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
76. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
77. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
78. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
79. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
80. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
81. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
82. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
83. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
84. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
85. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
86. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
87. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
88. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
89. http://351c.net/
90. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
91. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
92. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
93. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
94. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=
95. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
96. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
97. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
98. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
99. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
100. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
101. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
102. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
103. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
104. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
105. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
106. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
107. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
108. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
109. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
110. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
111. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
112. http://351c.net/
113. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
114. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
115. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
116. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
117. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
118. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
119. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
120. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
121. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
122. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
123. http://www.avg.com/
124. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
125. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 04:37:32 +0000 (UTC)
From: Brian Hill <mazdastuff at yahoo.com>
To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, Jeff Detrich
<jjdetrich at gmail.com>, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, Ed
Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>, Space City Panteras
<SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com>, San Diego Panteras
<sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
Message-ID:
<1179864267.240851.1454387852949.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
I agree, Ed is on the right path.? No one here is saying anything about shutting down the forum or email groups.? My main goal is boosting membership.? I spoke to my wife this evening who is a FB user and it has advantages for organizations like ours in being able to reach new people.?
Everything is searchable it seems and the ability to buy advertisements that can be directed to Pantera enthusiasts could help boost the membership.? I asked her about postings, multiple postings, controls, etc and it all seems to fall into making sure your settings are what you need them to be.? And being aware of what controls you have available to you.
My thought was if we send stuff to the POCA FB...i.e. here is a tech session going on...wine tour or whatever it will show people how active the club is around the country and world for that matter.?
Ed, I do not know the first thing about FB, my wife will have to show me but I will give it a try if it helps boost membership.? If you have one set up for Space City send the info my way.? I will give it a shot.Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat and whatever else can wait though.
Regards,Brian HillSpace City Prez
From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>; Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>; Space City Panteras <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com>; San Diego Panteras <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
You folks have got to understand that we are an older crowd here. Facebook
is a younger Demographic that we would reaching out to. As Ed Mendez has
noted that we also have a twitter account, then there is instagram, for
another Younger demographic. These are all just younger modes of
communication just like our old rotary phones used to be, technology just
keeps marching on. So there are now web pages, Facebook pages, and who
know what will be next. If we want to appeal to a younger market, we need
to be available on these newer communication modes. Lets at least give Ed
credit for putting us out there if some younger folks want to share our
passion, at least we can be available. We can always mail them a magazine.
Larry Stock
On 2/1/16, 4:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
<detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>? The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
>? meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
>? joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a
>? new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric
>? would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
>? correlation to analyze.
>? Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
>? something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
>? connection.A
>? So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
>? entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
>? Jeff
>? 6559
>
>? On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
>? <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>? ? There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
>? ? scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>? ? I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
>? ? notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
>? ? comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living
>? ? inside an Alzheimer's dream!
>? ? And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
>? ? causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras
>? ? on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be
>? ? worth millions if that's the case.
>? ? In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
>? ? posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a
>? ? photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
>? ? due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>? ? And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
>? ? any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed
>? ? up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
>? ? Julian
>? ? ________________________________________
>? ? From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez
>? ? <[3]edducati at mac.com>
>? ? Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
>? ? To: Charles McCall
>? ? Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
>? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>? ? I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
>? ? I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>? ? Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
>? ? hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts
>? ? daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
>? ? several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
>? ? page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
>? ? limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
>? ? ever pages you want to.
>? ? I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
>? ? Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
>? ? recognition to our cars and has increased value.
>? ? It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck
>? ? I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
>? ? Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
>? ? The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already
>? ? and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page,
>? ? this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and
>? ? get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
>? ? chapters)
>? ? So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
>? ? pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try
>? ? not to cross post so much. ;-)
>? ? Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that
>? ? love this car.
>? ? We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
>? ? @pocausa
>? ? Ed
>? ? Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>? ? > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
>? ? <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>? ? >
>? ? > Ed,
>? ? > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
>? ? communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
>? ? coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
>? ? fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make
>? ? sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen
>? ? pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
>? ? half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
>? ? only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
>? ? >
>? ? > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people would
>? ? belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
>? ? all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
>? ? into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
>? ? >
>? ? > What do you think?
>? ? >
>? ? >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <[6]edducati at mac.com>
>? ? wrote:
>? ? >>A? A? Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for
>? ? every chapter
>? ? >>A? A? of POCA.
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you
>? ? don't
>? ? >>A? A? already have one, because your missing out on some really
>? ? good Pantera
>? ? >>A? A? stuff...
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? I have made all these pages so far:
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? POCA Main FB page
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A
>? ? [1][7]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? SDP FB Page
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [2][8]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A
>? ? [3][9]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
>? ? 626227
>? ? >>A? A? 6?ref=hl
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? AZ Panteras
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [4][10]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [5][11]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? POCA Main Group Page
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A
>? ? [6][12]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? POCA Fun Rally Page
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [7][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? and here is my personal page:
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [8][14]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Other pages:
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Foothill Panteras - Secret group
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [9][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Panteras Northwest
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [10][16]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? NY Panteras
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [11][17]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Jersey Panteras
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [12][18]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? DeTomaso Pantera USA
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [14][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Strada Pantera
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? DeTomaso Friends
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [16][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? DeTomaso Registry
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A
>? ? [17][23]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? DeTomaso Club of France
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A
>? ? [18][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? DeTomaso Owners of Australia
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [19][25]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our
>? ? Japanese
>? ? >>A? A? counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [20][26]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? And many many more.
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
>? ? There are
>? ? >>A? A? over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related
>? ? sites now.
>? ? >>A? A? Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead
>? ? of the
>? ? >>A? A? forums and websites. TRUE.
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Like this one:
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you ever
>? ? wanted to know
>? ? >>A? A? and didn't know about the 351C!
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access
>? ? to all of
>? ? >>A? A? this great stuff!!
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? This is the future of our great club!
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
>? ? Rally in San
>? ? >>A? A? Diego.
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Enjoy!
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [23][29]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Ed Mendez
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>? ? >>
>? ? >> References
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? 1.
>? ? [30]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>? ? >>A? A? 2. [31]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>? ? >>A? A? 3.
>? ? [32]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
>? ? 62276?ref=hl
>? ? >>A? A? 4. [33]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>? ? >>A? A? 5. [34]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>? ? >>A? A? 6.
>? ? [35]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>? ? >>A? A? 7. [36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>? ? >>A? A? 8. [37]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>? ? >>A? A? 9. [38]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>? ? >>A? A 10. [39]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>? ? >>A? A 11. panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>? ? >>A? A 12. [41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>? ? >>A? A 13. [42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>? ? >>A? A 14. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>? ? >>A? A 15. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>? ? >>A? A 16. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>? ? >>A? A 17.
>? ? [46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>? ? >>A? A 18.
>? ? [47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>? ? >>A? A 19. [48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>? ? >>A? A 20. [49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>? ? >>A? A 21. [50]http://351c.net/
>? ? >>A? A 22. [51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>? ? >>A? A 23. [52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>? ? >>
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>? 1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>? 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>? 3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>? 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>? 5. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
>? 6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>? 7. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>? 8. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>? 9. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
>? 10. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>? 11. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>? 12. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>? 13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>? 14. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>? 15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>? 16. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>? 17. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>? 18. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>? 19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>? 20. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>? 21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>? 22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>? 23. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>? 24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>? 25. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>? 26. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>? 27. http://351c.net/
>? 28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>? 29. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>? 30. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>? 31. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>? 32.
>https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=
>hl
>? 33. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>? 34. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>? 35. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>? 36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>? 37. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>? 38. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>? 39. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>? 40. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>? 41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>? 42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>? 43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>? 44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>? 45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>? 46. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>? 47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>? 48. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>? 49. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>? 50. http://351c.net/
>? 51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>? 52. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>? 53. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>? 54. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>? 55. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>? 56. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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I agree, Ed is on the right path. No one here is saying anything about
shutting down the forum or email groups. My main goal is boosting
membership. I spoke to my wife this evening who is a FB user and it
has advantages for organizations like ours in being able to reach new
people.
Everything is searchable it seems and the ability to buy advertisements
that can be directed to Pantera enthusiasts could help boost the
membership. I asked her about postings, multiple postings, controls,
etc and it all seems to fall into making sure your settings are what
you need them to be. And being aware of what controls you have
available to you.
My thought was if we send stuff to the POCA FB...i.e. here is a tech
session going on...wine tour or whatever it will show people how active
the club is around the country and world for that matter.
Ed, I do not know the first thing about FB, my wife will have to show
me but I will give it a try if it helps boost membership. If you have
one set up for Space City send the info my way. I will give it a shot.
Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat and whatever else can wait though.
Regards,
Brian Hill
Space City Prez
__________________________________________________________________
From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>; Julian Kift
<julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>; Space City Panteras
<SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com>; San Diego Panteras
<sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
You folks have got to understand that we are an older crowd here.
Facebook
is a younger Demographic that we would reaching out to. As Ed Mendez
has
noted that we also have a twitter account, then there is instagram, for
another Younger demographic. These are all just younger modes of
communication just like our old rotary phones used to be, technology
just
keeps marching on. So there are now web pages, Facebook pages, and who
know what will be next. If we want to appeal to a younger market, we
need
to be available on these newer communication modes. Lets at least give
Ed
credit for putting us out there if some younger folks want to share our
passion, at least we can be available. We can always mail them a
magazine.
Larry Stock
On 2/1/16, 4:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
<[1]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of [2]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
> The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple
and
> meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
> joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets
a
> new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric
> would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
> correlation to analyze.
> Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to
sell
> something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
> connection.A
> So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
> entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
> Jeff
> 6559
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
> <[1][3]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a)
be
> scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
> I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
> notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then
someone
> comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like
living
> inside an Alzheimer's dream!
> And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation
=
> causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of
Panteras
> on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would
be
> worth millions if that's the case.
> In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
> posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on
a
> photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
> due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
> And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
> any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already
fed
> up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
> Julian
> ________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <[2][4]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed
Mendez
> <[3][5]edducati at mac.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
> To: Charles McCall
> Cc: [4][6]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego
Panteras
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
> I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
> I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
> Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
> hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of
posts
> daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
> several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
> page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
> limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
> ever pages you want to.
> I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
> Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
> recognition to our cars and has increased value.
> It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together.
Heck
> I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
> Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
> The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't
already
> and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB
page,
> this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow
and
> get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
> chapters)
> So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
> pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll
try
> not to cross post so much. ;-)
> Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all
that
> love this car.
> We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
> @pocausa
> Ed
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
> <[5][7]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ed,
> > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
> communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
> coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
> fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to
make
> sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a
half-dozen
> pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
> half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
> only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
> >
> > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people
would
> belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
> all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
> into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez
<[6][8]edducati at mac.com>
> wrote:
> >>A A Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for
> every chapter
> >>A A of POCA.
> >>
> >>A A Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if
you
> don't
> >>A A already have one, because your missing out on some really
> good Pantera
> >>A A stuff...
> >>
> >>A A I have made all these pages so far:
> >>
> >>A A POCA Main FB page
> >>
> >>A A
>
[1][7][9]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
> >>
> >>A A SDP FB Page
> >>
> >>A A [2][8][10]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
> >>
> >>A A Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
> >>
> >>A A
>
[3][9][11]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065
0
> 626227
> >>A A 6?ref=hl
> >>
> >>A A AZ Panteras
> >>
> >>A A [4][10][12]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
> >>
> >>A A Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
> >>
> >>A A [5][11][13]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
> >>
> >>A A POCA Main Group Page
> >>
> >>A A
>
[6][12][14]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
> >>
> >>A A POCA Fun Rally Page
> >>
> >>A A [7][13][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
> >>
> >>A A and here is my personal page:
> >>
> >>A A [8][14][16]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> >>
> >>A A I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
> >>
> >>A A Other pages:
> >>
> >>A A Foothill Panteras - Secret group
> >>
> >>A A
[9][15][17]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
> >>
> >>A A Panteras Northwest
> >>
> >>A A [10][16][18]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
> >>
> >>A A NY Panteras
> >>
> >>A A [11][17][19]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
> >>
> >>A A Jersey Panteras
> >>
> >>A A [12][18][20]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
> >>
> >>A A DeTomaso Pantera USA
> >>
> >>A A
[13][19][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
> >>
> >>A A DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
> >>
> >>A A
[14][20][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
> >>
> >>A A Strada Pantera
> >>
> >>A A
[15][21][23]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
> >>
> >>A A DeTomaso Friends
> >>
> >>A A
[16][22][24]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
> >>
> >>A A DeTomaso Registry
> >>
> >>A A
>
[17][23][25]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/4322251292
6
> >>
> >>A A DeTomaso Club of France
> >>
> >>A A
>
[18][24][26]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
> >>
> >>A A DeTomaso Owners of Australia
> >>
> >>A A [19][25][27]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
> >>
> >>A A Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what
our
> Japanese
> >>A A counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
> >>
> >>A A [20][26][28]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
> >>
> >>A A And many many more.
> >>
> >>A A A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some
before.
> There are
> >>A A over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc
related
> sites now.
> >>A A Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions
instead
> of the
> >>A A forums and websites. TRUE.
> >>
> >>A A Like this one:
> >>
> >>A A Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you ever
> wanted to know
> >>A A and didn't know about the 351C!
> >>
> >>A A [22][28][29]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
> >>
> >>A A Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have
access
> to all of
> >>A A this great stuff!!
> >>
> >>A A Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
> >>
> >>A A This is the future of our great club!
> >>
> >>A A In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
> Rally in San
> >>A A Diego.
> >>
> >>A A Enjoy!
> >>
> >>A A [23][29][30]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
> >>
> >>A A Ed Mendez
> >>
> >>A A Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> >>
> >> References
> >>
> >>A A 1.
> [30][31]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
> >>A A 2.
[31][32]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
> >>A A 3.
>
[32][33]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506
2
> 62276?ref=hl
> >>A A 4. [33][34]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
> >>A A 5. [34][35]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
> >>A A 6.
>
[35][36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
> >>A A 7. [36][37]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
> >>A A 8. [37][38]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> >>A A 9.
[38][39]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
> >>A A 10. [39][40]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
> >>A A 11. panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
> >>A A 12. [41][41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
> >>A A 13.
[42][42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
> >>A A 14.
[43][43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
> >>A A 15.
[44][44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
> >>A A 16.
[45][45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
> >>A A 17.
>
[46][46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
> >>A A 18.
>
[47][47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
> >>A A 19. [48][48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
> >>A A 20. [49][49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
> >>A A 21. [50][50]http://351c.net/
> >>A A 22. [51][51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
> >>A A 23. [52][52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
> >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
> >> DeTomaso mailing list
> >> [53][53]DeTomaso at poca.com
> >> [54][54]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>
> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
> etc.) use the links above.
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
> DeTomaso mailing list
> [55][55]DeTomaso at poca.com
>
> [56][56]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
etc.)
> use the links above.
>
>References
>
> 1. mailto:[57]julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 2. mailto:[58]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> 3. mailto:[59]edducati at mac.com
> 4. mailto:[60]detomaso at poca.com
> 5. mailto:[61]charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 6. mailto:[62]edducati at mac.com
> 7. [63]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
> 8. [64]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
> 9.
[65]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062622
7
> 10. [66]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
> 11. [67]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
> 12. [68]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
> 13. [69]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
> 14. [70]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> 15. [71]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
> 16. [72]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
> 17. [73]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
> 18. [74]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
> 19. [75]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
> 20. [76]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
> 21. [77]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
> 22. [78]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
> 23. [79]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
> 24. [80]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
> 25. [81]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
> 26. [82]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
> 27. [83]http://351c.net/
> 28. [84]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
> 29. [85]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
> 30. [86]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
> 31. [87]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
> 32.
>[88]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262
276?ref=
>hl
> 33. [89]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
> 34. [90]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
> 35. [91]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
> 36. [92]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
> 37. [93]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> 38. [94]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
> 39. [95]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
> 40. [96]http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
> 41. [97]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
> 42. [98]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
> 43. [99]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
> 44. [100]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
> 45. [101]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
> 46.
[102]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
> 47. [103]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
> 48. [104]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
> 49. [105]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
> 50. [106]http://351c.net/
> 51. [107]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
> 52. [108]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
> 53. mailto:[109]DeTomaso at poca.com
> 54. [110]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 55. mailto:[111]DeTomaso at poca.com
> 56. [112]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>_______________________________________________
>
>Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
>DeTomaso mailing list
>[113]DeTomaso at poca.com
>[114]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>
>To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
use
>the links above.
_______________________________________________
Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
DeTomaso mailing list
[115]DeTomaso at poca.com
[116]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
use the links above.
References
1. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
2. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
3. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
4. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
5. mailto:edducati at mac.com
6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
7. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
8. mailto:edducati at mac.com
9. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
10. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
11. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
12. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
13. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
14. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
16. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
17. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
18. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
19. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
20. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
23. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
24. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
25. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
26. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
27. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
28. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
29. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
30. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
31. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
32. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
33. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
34. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
35. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
37. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
38. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
39. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
40. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
46. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
48. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
49. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
50. http://351c.net/
51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
52. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
53. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
54. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
55. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
56. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
57. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
58. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
59. mailto:edducati at mac.com
60. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
61. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
62. mailto:edducati at mac.com
63. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
64. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
65. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
66. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
67. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
68. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
69. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
70. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
71. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
72. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
73. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
74. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
75. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
76. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
77. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
78. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
79. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
80. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
81. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
82. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
83. http://351c.net/
84. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
85. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
86. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
87. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
88. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=
89. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
90. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
91. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
92. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
93. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
94. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
95. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
96. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
97. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
98. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
99. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
100. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
101. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
102. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
103. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
104. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
105. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
106. http://351c.net/
107. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
108. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
109. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
110. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
111. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
112. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
113. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
114. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
115. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
116. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 09:02:37 +0100
From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, Ed Mendez
<edducati at mac.com>, "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>, Space
City Panteras <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com>, San Diego Panteras
<sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
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Remember ? I?m not questioning if there should be a DeTomaso presence on
Facebook. I think there should be, and it is a valid and useful way for
contacting other owners and potential owners. I use it often and see many
of you out there.
What I?m questioning is if there should be dozens and dozens of
totally independent pages on Facebook, which requires multiple posts to
reach everyone, and you either only sign up for only a single page (which
defeats the purpose of having many) or you get the same information a half
dozen times, which is annoying. By having dozens of pages dedicated to the
same subject, information gets diluted, it is harder to find what you are
looking for.
We would have met Boyd with a single, unified FB page. The younger, social
media savvy folks would be there with a single, unified FB page., or even
with a highly reduced number. But I don't see the advantage to having 20
pages for the same subject, and I do see disadvantages as mentioned. The
same disadvantages that would arise if someone were to implement 20
different DeTomaso e-mail f?rums, something that thankfully hasn't been
proposed. You either subscribe to them all or you miss stuff. It's exactly
the same situation.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 1:23 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
> meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they joined
> and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a new member,
> that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric would be it's
> effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough correlation to analyze.
>
> Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
> something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous connection.
>
> So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is entertaining;
> eventually a nuisance? Your call.
>
> Jeff
> 6559
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
>> scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>>
>> I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
>> notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
>> comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living inside
>> an Alzheimer's dream!
>>
>> And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
>> causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras on FB
>> doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be worth
>> millions if that's the case.
>>
>> In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB posts
>> and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a photo and
>> feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any due diligence,
>> just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>>
>> And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on any
>> site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed up with
>> ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
>>
>> Julian
>> ________________________________________
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez <
>> edducati at mac.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
>> To: Charles McCall
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>>
>> I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-) I'm
>> the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>>
>> Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of hot rod
>> and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts daily but they
>> go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across several Pantera pages
>> only go on your newsfeed and not on your own page. There are settings in FB
>> to allow or disallow posts. You can limit the number. You can also
>> subscribe or unsubscribe to which ever pages you want to.
>>
>> I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with Pantera
>> stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and recognition to our cars
>> and has increased value.
>>
>> It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck I
>> didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of Junika Okada
>> and the awesome work he does over there.
>>
>> The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already and
>> to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page, this has
>> and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and get people
>> interested. All the pages are there already (for the chapters)
>>
>> So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and pages
>> at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try not to cross
>> post so much. ;-)
>>
>> Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that love
>> this car.
>>
>> We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time... @pocausa
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>
>> > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ed,
>> > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
>> communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or coordination on
>> FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a fair amount of activity.
>> If you have a message that you want to make sure that everyone gets, then
>> you need to cross-post on a half-dozen pages. People who subscribe to those
>> pages get the same message a half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It
>> happens now, and it will only get worse if people keep generating new FB
>> Pantera pages.
>> >
>> > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail f?rums. Most people would belong
>> to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them all. I don't see
>> the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world into ever-smaller grounds,
>> but I do see disadvantages.
>> >
>> > What do you think?
>> >
>> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>> >> Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for every
>> chapter
>> >> of POCA.
>> >>
>> >> Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you don't
>> >> already have one, because your missing out on some really good
>> Pantera
>> >> stuff...
>> >>
>> >> I have made all these pages so far:
>> >>
>> >> POCA Main FB page
>> >>
>> >> [1]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>> >>
>> >> SDP FB Page
>> >>
>> >> [2]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>> >>
>> >> Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
>> >>
>> >> [3]
>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
>> >> 6?ref=hl
>> >>
>> >> AZ Panteras
>> >>
>> >> [4]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>> >>
>> >> Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
>> >>
>> >> [5]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>> >>
>> >> POCA Main Group Page
>> >>
>> >> [6]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>> >>
>> >> POCA Fun Rally Page
>> >>
>> >> [7]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>> >>
>> >> and here is my personal page:
>> >>
>> >> [8]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>> >>
>> >> I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
>> >>
>> >> Other pages:
>> >>
>> >> Foothill Panteras - Secret group
>> >>
>> >> [9]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>> >>
>> >> Panteras Northwest
>> >>
>> >> [10]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>> >>
>> >> NY Panteras
>> >>
>> >> [11]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>> >>
>> >> Jersey Panteras
>> >>
>> >> [12]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>> >>
>> >> DeTomaso Pantera USA
>> >>
>> >> [13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>> >>
>> >> DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
>> >>
>> >> [14]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>> >>
>> >> Strada Pantera
>> >>
>> >> [15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>> >>
>> >> DeTomaso Friends
>> >>
>> >> [16]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>> >>
>> >> DeTomaso Registry
>> >>
>> >> [17]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>> >>
>> >> DeTomaso Club of France
>> >>
>> >> [18]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>> >>
>> >> DeTomaso Owners of Australia
>> >>
>> >> [19]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>> >>
>> >> Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our Japanese
>> >> counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
>> >>
>> >> [20]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>> >>
>> >> And many many more.
>> >>
>> >> A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before. There
>> are
>> >> over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related sites
>> now.
>> >> Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead of the
>> >> forums and websites. TRUE.
>> >>
>> >> Like this one:
>> >>
>> >> Clevelands Forever - [21]351c.net - anything you ever wanted to
>> know
>> >> and didn't know about the 351C!
>> >>
>> >> [22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>> >>
>> >> Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access to all
>> of
>> >> this great stuff!!
>> >>
>> >> Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
>> >>
>> >> This is the future of our great club!
>> >>
>> >> In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun Rally in San
>> >> Diego.
>> >>
>> >> Enjoy!
>> >>
>> >> [23]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>> >>
>> >> Ed Mendez
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>> >>
>> >> References
>> >>
>> >> 1. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>> >> 2. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>> >> 3.
>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=hl
>> >> 4. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>> >> 5. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>> >> 6. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>> >> 7. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>> >> 8. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>> >> 9. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>> >> 10. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>> >> 11. panterashttps://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>> >> 12. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>> >> 13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>> >> 14. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>> >> 15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>> >> 16. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>> >> 17. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>> >> 18. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>> >> 19. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>> >> 20. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>> >> 21. http://351c.net/
>> >> 22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>> >> 23. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >>
>> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>> >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
>> >> DeTomaso mailing list
>> >> DeTomaso at poca.com
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>> >>
>> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
>> use the links above.
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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>>
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>> the links above.
>>
>
>
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Remember a Iam not questioning if there should be a DeTomaso presence
on Facebook. I think there should be, and it is a valid and useful way
for contacting other owners and potential owners. I use it often and
see many of you out there.
A
What Iam questioning is if there should be dozens and dozens of
totallyA independent pages on Facebook, which requires multiple posts
to reach everyone, and you either only sign up for only a single page
(which defeats the purpose of having many) or you get the same
information a half dozen times, which is annoying. By having dozens of
pages dedicated to the same subject, information gets diluted, it is
harder to find what you are looking for.
A
A We would have met Boyd with a single, unified FB page. The younger,
social media savvy folks would be there with a single, unified FB
page.,A or even withA a highly reduced number. But I don't see the
advantage to having 20 pages for the same subject, and I do see
disadvantages as mentioned. The same disadvantages that would arise if
someone were to implement 20 different DeTomaso e-mail fA^3rums,
something that thankfully hasn't been proposed. You either subscribe to
them all or you miss stuff. It's exactly the same situation.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 1:23 AM, Jeff Detrich <[1]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a
new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric
would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
correlation to analyze.
Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
connection.A
So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
Jeff
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On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
<[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living
inside an Alzheimer's dream!
And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras
on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be
worth millions if that's the case.
In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a
photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed
up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
Julian
________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez
<[4]edducati at mac.com>
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
To: Charles McCall
Cc: [5]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts
daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
ever pages you want to.
I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
recognition to our cars and has increased value.
It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck
I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already
and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page,
this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and
get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
chapters)
So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try
not to cross post so much. ;-)
Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that
love this car.
We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
@pocausa
Ed
Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
<[6]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ed,
> Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make
sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen
pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
>
> It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people would
belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
>
> What do you think?
>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <[7]edducati at mac.com>
wrote:
>>A A Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for every
chapter
>>A A of POCA.
>>
>>A A Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you
don't
>>A A already have one, because your missing out on some really good
Pantera
>>A A stuff...
>>
>>A A I have made all these pages so far:
>>
>>A A POCA Main FB page
>>
>>A A
[1][8]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>
>>A A SDP FB Page
>>
>>A A [2][9]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>
>>A A Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
>>
>>A A
[3][10]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
6227
>>A A 6?ref=hl
>>
>>A A AZ Panteras
>>
>>A A [4][11]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>
>>A A Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
>>
>>A A [5][12]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>
>>A A POCA Main Group Page
>>
>>A A
[6][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>
>>A A POCA Fun Rally Page
>>
>>A A [7][14]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>
>>A A and here is my personal page:
>>
>>A A [8][15]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>
>>A A I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
>>
>>A A Other pages:
>>
>>A A Foothill Panteras - Secret group
>>
>>A A [9][16]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>
>>A A Panteras Northwest
>>
>>A A [10][17]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>
>>A A NY Panteras
>>
>>A A [11][18]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>
>>A A Jersey Panteras
>>
>>A A [12][19]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>
>>A A DeTomaso Pantera USA
>>
>>A A [13][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>
>>A A DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
>>
>>A A [14][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>
>>A A Strada Pantera
>>
>>A A [15][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>
>>A A DeTomaso Friends
>>
>>A A [16][23]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>
>>A A DeTomaso Registry
>>
>>A A
[17][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>
>>A A DeTomaso Club of France
>>
>>A A
[18][25]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>
>>A A DeTomaso Owners of Australia
>>
>>A A [19][26]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>
>>A A Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our
Japanese
>>A A counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
>>
>>A A [20][27]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>
>>A A And many many more.
>>
>>A A A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
There are
>>A A over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related
sites now.
>>A A Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead of
the
>>A A forums and websites. TRUE.
>>
>>A A Like this one:
>>
>>A A Clevelands Forever - [21][28]351c.net - anything you ever
wanted to know
>>A A and didn't know about the 351C!
>>
>>A A [22][29]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>
>>A A Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access to
all of
>>A A this great stuff!!
>>
>>A A Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
>>
>>A A This is the future of our great club!
>>
>>A A In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun Rally
in San
>>A A Diego.
>>
>>A A Enjoy!
>>
>>A A [23][30]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>
>>A A Ed Mendez
>>
>>A A Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>
>> References
>>
>>A A 1.
[31]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>A A 2. [32]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>A A 3.
[33]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062622
76?ref=hl
>>A A 4. [34]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>A A 5. [35]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>A A 6.
[36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>A A 7. [37]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>A A 8. [38]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>A A 9. [39]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>A A 10. [40]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>A A 11. panterashttps://[41]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>A A 12. [42]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>A A 13. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>A A 14. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>A A 15. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>A A 16. [46]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>A A 17.
[47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>A A 18.
[48]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>A A 19. [49]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>A A 20. [50]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>A A 21. [51]http://351c.net/
>>A A 22. [52]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>A A 23. [53]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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>>
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To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
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References
1. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
2. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
4. mailto:edducati at mac.com
5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
6. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
7. mailto:edducati at mac.com
8. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
9. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
10. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
11. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
12. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
14. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
15. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
16. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
17. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
18. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
19. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
20. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
23. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
25. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
26. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
27. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
28. http://351c.net/
29. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
30. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
31. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
32. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
33. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=hl
34. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
35. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
37. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
38. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
39. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
40. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
41. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
42. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
46. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
48. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
49. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
50. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
51. http://351c.net/
52. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
53. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
54. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
55. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
56. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
57. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 09:34:18 -0600
From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
<detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
Message-ID:
<CANX29aVsAi4oes9pp09hTHXcoMcoPU5fAsK1VUZEaxgtgBCchA at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
My post below was in no way meant to demean what Ed has done. In fact, what
he has done is great and I congratulate him for extending our reach. Being
a marketer in a past life, it is important we measure the effect in
meaningful ways, not only for this but for all of our marketing efforts,
including the website. In that way we can target areas to make them
stronger. Data is good.
Jeff
6559
"You cannot manage what you cannot measure... and what gets measured gets
done." Bill Hewlett, Hewlett Packard
On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 6:33 PM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
> meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they joined
> and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a new member,
> that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric would be it's
> effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough correlation to analyze.
>
> Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
> something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous connection.
>
> So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is entertaining;
> eventually a nuisance? Your call.
>
> Jeff
> 6559
>
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My post below was in no way meant to demean what Ed has done. In fact,
what he has done is great and I congratulate him for extending our
reach. Being a marketer in a past life, it is important we measure the
effect in meaningful ways, not only for this but for all of our
marketing efforts, including the website. In that way we can target
areas to make them stronger. Data is good.
Jeff
6559
"You cannot manage what you cannot measure... and what gets measured
gets done."A A Bill Hewlett, Hewlett Packard
On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 6:33 PM, Jeff Detrich <[1]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple
and meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why
they joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook
gets a new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second
metric would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
correlation to analyze.
Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
connection.A
So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
Jeff
6559
References
1. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
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I have to agree with Asa Jay on this. While it has its good points,
Facebook is undeniably the biggest spam generator around. People ask me why
I have a page and don't post anything. I originally set it up so I could
communicate with my grand children, but the tsunami of noise that comes in
is a pain. Trying to manage the filtering, unfriending, etc. just takes
away time I can better spend trying to keep these old cars running. I wish
there were a simple way to disconnect myself from it.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> My post below was in no way meant to demean what Ed has done. In fact,
> what he has done is great and I congratulate him for extending our
> reach. Being a marketer in a past life, it is important we measure the
> effect in meaningful ways, not only for this but for all of our
> marketing efforts, including the website. In that way we can target
> areas to make them stronger. Data is good.
> Jeff
> 6559
> "You cannot manage what you cannot measure... and what gets measured
> gets done."A A Bill Hewlett, Hewlett Packard
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 6:33 PM, Jeff Detrich <[1]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple
> and meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why
> they joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook
> gets a new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second
> metric would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
> correlation to analyze.
>
> Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
> something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
> connection.A
>
> So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
> entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
>
> Jeff
>
> 6559
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
>
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I have to agree with Asa Jay on this. While it has its good points,
Facebook is undeniably the biggest spam generator around. People ask me
why I have a page and don't post anything. I originally set it up so I
could communicate with my grand children, but the tsunami of noise that
comes in is a pain. Trying to manage the filtering, unfriending, etc.
just takes away time I can better spend trying to keep these old cars
running. I wish there were a simple way to disconnect myself from it.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Jeff Detrich <[1]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
A A My post below was in no way meant to demean what Ed has done.
In fact,
A A what he has done is great and I congratulate him for extending
our
A A reach. Being a marketer in a past life, it is important we
measure the
A A effect in meaningful ways, not only for this but for all of our
A A marketing efforts, including the website. In that way we can
target
A A areas to make them stronger. Data is good.
A A Jeff
A A 6559
A A "You cannot manage what you cannot measure... and what gets
measured
A A gets done."A A Bill Hewlett, Hewlett Packard
A A On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 6:33 PM, Jeff Detrich
<[1][2]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A A The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A
simple
A A A and meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking
why
A A A they joined and where did they find out about the club. If
Facebook
A A A gets a new member, that can monetized to justify its costs.
A second
A A A metric would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be
a tough
A A A correlation to analyze.
A A Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start
to sell
A A something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
A A connection.A
A A So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
A A entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
A A Jeff
A A 6559
References
A A 1. mailto:[3]jjdetrich at gmail.com
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