[DeTomaso] throttle pedal cable

tom ware ace595 at hotmail.com
Thu Feb 4 21:29:07 EST 2016


does anyone have a pic of the gas pedal cable set up where the spring end bracket attaches ?
thanks
tom

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   1. Re: POCA on Facebook (Ed Mendez)
   2. Re: Air Cleaners - OEM (Dennis Valdez)
   3. Re: POCA on Facebook (Jeff Detrich)
   4. Re: POCA on Facebook (Jeff Detrich)
   5. Re: POCA on Facebook (Larry Stock)
   6. Re: POCA on Facebook (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
   7. Re: POCA on Facebook (Ed Mendez)
   8. Re: POCA on Facebook (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
   9. Re: POCA on Facebook (Asa Jay Laughton)
  10. Re: POCA on Facebook (Michael Shortt)
  11. Re: POCA on Facebook (Brian Hill)
  12. Re: POCA on Facebook (Charles McCall)
  13. Re: POCA on Facebook (Jeff Detrich)
  14. Re: POCA on Facebook (Daryl Adams)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2016 10:08:44 +1300
From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>,   "detomaso at poca.com"
        <detomaso at poca.com>,    Space City Panteras <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
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My take is I would've never known Hugh Boyd Casey if it wasn't for FB. I had the pleasure of getting to know him just a little bit, and to me it makes it all worth it.



Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus

> On 2/02/2016, at 05:52, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>
> I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3 notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living inside an Alzheimer's dream!
>
> And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation = causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be worth millions if that's the case.
>
> In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>
> And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
>
> Julian
> ________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
> To: Charles McCall
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>
> I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-) I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>
> Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which ever pages you want to.
>
> I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and recognition to our cars and has increased value.
>
> It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
>
> The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page, this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the chapters)
>
> So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try not to cross post so much. ;-)
>
> Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that love this car.
>
> We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time... @pocausa
>
> Ed
>
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>
>> On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ed,
>> Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
>>
>> It would be as if there were 6 E-mail f?rums. Most people would belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>>>   Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for every chapter
>>>   of POCA.
>>>
>>>   Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you don't
>>>   already have one, because your missing out on some really good Pantera
>>>   stuff...
>>>
>>>   I have made all these pages so far:
>>>
>>>   POCA Main FB page
>>>
>>>   [1]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>>
>>>   SDP FB Page
>>>
>>>   [2]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>>
>>>   Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
>>>
>>>   [3]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
>>>   6?ref=hl
>>>
>>>   AZ Panteras
>>>
>>>   [4]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>>
>>>   Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
>>>
>>>   [5]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>>
>>>   POCA Main Group Page
>>>
>>>   [6]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>>
>>>   POCA Fun Rally Page
>>>
>>>   [7]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>>
>>>   and here is my personal page:
>>>
>>>   [8]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>>
>>>   I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
>>>
>>>   Other pages:
>>>
>>>   Foothill Panteras - Secret group
>>>
>>>   [9]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>>
>>>   Panteras Northwest
>>>
>>>   [10]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>>
>>>   NY Panteras
>>>
>>>   [11]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>>
>>>   Jersey Panteras
>>>
>>>   [12]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>>
>>>   DeTomaso Pantera USA
>>>
>>>   [13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>>
>>>   DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
>>>
>>>   [14]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>>
>>>   Strada Pantera
>>>
>>>   [15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>>
>>>   DeTomaso Friends
>>>
>>>   [16]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>>
>>>   DeTomaso Registry
>>>
>>>   [17]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>>
>>>   DeTomaso Club of France
>>>
>>>   [18]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>>
>>>   DeTomaso Owners of Australia
>>>
>>>   [19]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>>
>>>   Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our Japanese
>>>   counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
>>>
>>>   [20]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>>
>>>   And many many more.
>>>
>>>   A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before. There are
>>>   over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related sites now.
>>>   Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead of the
>>>   forums and websites. TRUE.
>>>
>>>   Like this one:
>>>
>>>   Clevelands Forever - [21]351c.net - anything you ever wanted to know
>>>   and didn't know about the 351C!
>>>
>>>   [22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>>
>>>   Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access to all of
>>>   this great stuff!!
>>>
>>>   Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
>>>
>>>   This is the future of our great club!
>>>
>>>   In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun Rally in San
>>>   Diego.
>>>
>>>   Enjoy!
>>>
>>>   [23]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>>
>>>   Ed Mendez
>>>
>>>   Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>>   1. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>>   2. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>>   3. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=hl
>>>   4. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>>   5. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>>   6. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>>   7. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>>   8. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>>   9. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>>  10. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>>  11. panterashttps://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>>  12. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>>  13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>>  14. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>>  15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>>  16. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>>  17. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>>  18. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>>  19. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>>  20. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>>  21. http://351c.net/
>>>  22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>>  23. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>>
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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 23:13:17 +0000 (UTC)
From: Dennis Valdez <sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com>
To: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>,        DeTomaso Mail List
        <detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Air Cleaners - OEM
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Interesting topic here! ?My car #7260 has a chrome top and blue body with the snorkel pointing at the passenger seat. (this is the car in Garth's previous post). ?I found a post in the P.I. forum from the previous owner of my car that said he bought it with a blue cover and changed it to chrome thinking it was supposed to be chrome per other late build L's.
So, from the posts in this thread it is not clear if there is a time in late production where the factory switched from chrome lids to blue lids although we know the cars were not always built in numerical order: ?
#5326 Chrome lid#6859 Blue lid#7080 Chrome lid#7260 Chrome lid (perhaps blue?)?#7366 Blue lid
Dennis7260






    On Friday, January 29, 2016 3:48 PM, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:


 ? Following is a summary compiled from past posts on the subject of
? "original air cleaners."? Special thanks to Barry Sieb who has done
? most of the research into the subject and posted the distinctions
? between the various air cleaner models in the archives.? Posts by Mike
? Drew and Steve Liebenow were also significant to this aggregation.
? There were at least 3 different factory air cleaners used on the 71-74
? Ford program Panteras. The orientation of the snorkel was changed
? several times, pointing in different directions.
? Details:
? 1. It seems the first type was all plain blue, lid and bottom, and came
? on push-button cars and continued through the cars that had the closed
? chamber heads, the square bore 4300A Motorcraft carb and single point
? ignition. These were the 1971 models with the 4V engines (up to car
? #2292 maybe). The air intake snorkel was at about 8 oclock pointing
? rearward on the left hand side. It looks like a standard Ford air
? cleaner with the positions of things moved around to suit a mid-engined
? car.? The earlier cars before #2292 took C8AZ9601A (FA-50).
? Note that the original air cleaner on Forest Majors' Pantera (#2242)
? built Oct 1971 with the 4V closed chamber heads had the chrome plated
? lid and blue bottom/base.
? 2. The second type had a chrome plated lid and the bottom was blue. It
? was obviously a modified Mustang/Cougar part. The air inlet is at about
? 8 o'clock on the left-hand side. The snorkel and heat stove are both in
? different locations from the Mustang 351CJ. The standard cut outs are
? blocked with riveted plates. These air cleaners came on the engines
? from 1972 that had the 4300D and the dual point distributors and 4 bolt
? mains. Both pre-L and L cars in 1972 appear to have had this type past
? car #4000. All the air cleaners after #2292 used the same filter
? according to Ford (DOGY9601A? Autolite/Motorcraft FA-74).
? 3. The third type came on later product L model cars and is the same as
? type 2, except the air inlet snorkel is pointing to the passenger side
? front with a duct attached to pick up cooler air near the ground at the
? firewall behind the passenger seat (1973-74).
? Is it a Mustang air cleaner? Some have purported that the Pantera air
? cleaner may simply be the same air cleaner, spun around 180 degrees -
? pointing either towards the front-right or rear-left of the engine
? depending on the application. HOWEVER, you cannot spin the air cleaner
? 180 degrees as the dent for clearing the distributor cap ends up on the
? wrong side (there's no dent on the opposite side of the air cleaner
? base).? In addition there's a relief on the bottom side of the air
? cleaner to clear the carb linkage which is absent on the other side as
? well.
? ? Note: The Ford parts book lists three different air cleaner
? assemblies:
? ? ? a. Before serial number 2292 (#1 above?)
? ? ? b. 2292 to 3756
? ? ? c. And from 4840.? Which begs the question... what about the cars
? between 3756-4840? (#
? 4. There were different types used on European and post-Ford era cars,
? but info on them is limited.
? Post Ford-era air cleaners may have a black wrinkle finish on the base
? with a chrome plated lid. These were possibly to match the finish on
? the B&M produced Hall Pantera "DeTomaso" valve covers with the black
? crinkle finish.? Gary Hall once reported that the factory bought a
? bunch of those air cleaners from him in the 80's.
? Now before you all run out to the wrecking yards to try and find
? original Ford air cleaners to use as Pantera versions, take note...
? Since the Pantera motor was a Mustang/Cougar motor used from 1971-on in
? those models, they likely received the same air cleaners on them when
? the shipping pallets arrived in Modena. They are special to those model
? cars as well!? While "based" on the air cleaners used in thousands of
? other Ford cars, they have that little vacuum motor for fresh air
? intake on the side! Some of you would recognize this option from the
? "Q" code 428 cars of 1969 and 1970, and the Boss 302's that didn't get
? shakers.? Ford continued this same feature in the 4V equipped Mustangs
? from 71-73. They are unique in that they have the rest of the vacuum
? and charcoal vent tubes, and hot air intake stuff, plus that little
? vacuum operated door on the side. That is what sets them apart from the
? rest. These were the Q-code air cleaners that were used in these later
? years.
? "M" code air cleaners are the plain type used on 2V and 4V engines
? interchangeably.? They were used on the Boss, CJ, and HO models of
? Mustangs and Cougars, making them somewhat valuable to the restorers.
? Now, DeTomaso may have moved the air intake snorkel around to face
? rearward, but they also built odd tin shrouds around this "extra" ram
? air intake too.? We have seen some air cleaners that seemed to have two
? extra shields on them for some reason or another.? Having been modified
? so much, they would have little to restorers of vintage Mustangs except
? for parts to fix theirs.
? Sources:
? [1]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023420.htm
? l
? [2]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2013-March/068693.html
? [3]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023432.htm
? l
? [4]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023433.htm
? l
? [5]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023531.htm
? l
? [6]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023525.htm
? l
? Forgive me if I've missed material information on this subject or
? failed to give someone credit.? This is NOT MY RESEARCH, but rather a
? summary of the research of others.? Hopefully it helps shed some light
? on the subject.
? Please add to this thread if you have more information or pictures to
? share.

? Cheers!
? Garth
? #4033

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? 5. http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023531.html
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   Interesting topic here!  My car #7260 has a chrome top and blue body
   with the snorkel pointing at the passenger seat. (this is the car in
   Garth's previous post).  I found a post in the P.I. forum from the
   previous owner of my car that said he bought it with a blue cover and
   changed it to chrome thinking it was supposed to be chrome per other
   late build L's.
   So, from the posts in this thread it is not clear if there is a time in
   late production where the factory switched from chrome lids to blue
   lids although we know the cars were not always built in numerical
   order:
   #5326 Chrome lid
   #6859 Blue lid
   #7080 Chrome lid
   #7260 Chrome lid (perhaps blue?)
   #7366 Blue lid
   Dennis
   7260
   On Friday, January 29, 2016 3:48 PM, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso
   <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
     Following is a summary compiled from past posts on the subject of
     "original air cleaners."  Special thanks to Barry Sieb who has done
     most of the research into the subject and posted the distinctions
     between the various air cleaner models in the archives.  Posts by
   Mike
     Drew and Steve Liebenow were also significant to this aggregation.
     There were at least 3 different factory air cleaners used on the
   71-74
     Ford program Panteras. The orientation of the snorkel was changed
     several times, pointing in different directions.
     Details:
     1. It seems the first type was all plain blue, lid and bottom, and
   came
     on push-button cars and continued through the cars that had the
   closed
     chamber heads, the square bore 4300A Motorcraft carb and single point
     ignition. These were the 1971 models with the 4V engines (up to car
     #2292 maybe). The air intake snorkel was at about 8 oclock pointing
     rearward on the left hand side. It looks like a standard Ford air
     cleaner with the positions of things moved around to suit a
   mid-engined
     car.  The earlier cars before #2292 took C8AZ9601A (FA-50).
     Note that the original air cleaner on Forest Majors' Pantera (#2242)
     built Oct 1971 with the 4V closed chamber heads had the chrome plated
     lid and blue bottom/base.
     2. The second type had a chrome plated lid and the bottom was blue.
   It
     was obviously a modified Mustang/Cougar part. The air inlet is at
   about
     8 o'clock on the left-hand side. The snorkel and heat stove are both
   in
     different locations from the Mustang 351CJ. The standard cut outs are
     blocked with riveted plates. These air cleaners came on the engines
     from 1972 that had the 4300D and the dual point distributors and 4
   bolt
     mains. Both pre-L and L cars in 1972 appear to have had this type
   past
     car #4000. All the air cleaners after #2292 used the same filter
     according to Ford (DOGY9601A  Autolite/Motorcraft FA-74).
     3. The third type came on later product L model cars and is the same
   as
     type 2, except the air inlet snorkel is pointing to the passenger
   side
     front with a duct attached to pick up cooler air near the ground at
   the
     firewall behind the passenger seat (1973-74).
     Is it a Mustang air cleaner? Some have purported that the Pantera air
     cleaner may simply be the same air cleaner, spun around 180 degrees -
     pointing either towards the front-right or rear-left of the engine
     depending on the application. HOWEVER, you cannot spin the air
   cleaner
     180 degrees as the dent for clearing the distributor cap ends up on
   the
     wrong side (there's no dent on the opposite side of the air cleaner
     base).  In addition there's a relief on the bottom side of the air
     cleaner to clear the carb linkage which is absent on the other side
   as
     well.
       Note: The Ford parts book lists three different air cleaner
     assemblies:
         a. Before serial number 2292 (#1 above?)
         b. 2292 to 3756
         c. And from 4840.  Which begs the question... what about the cars
     between 3756-4840? (#
     4. There were different types used on European and post-Ford era
   cars,
     but info on them is limited.
     Post Ford-era air cleaners may have a black wrinkle finish on the
   base
     with a chrome plated lid. These were possibly to match the finish on
     the B&M produced Hall Pantera "DeTomaso" valve covers with the black
     crinkle finish.  Gary Hall once reported that the factory bought a
     bunch of those air cleaners from him in the 80's.
     Now before you all run out to the wrecking yards to try and find
     original Ford air cleaners to use as Pantera versions, take note...
     Since the Pantera motor was a Mustang/Cougar motor used from 1971-on
   in
     those models, they likely received the same air cleaners on them when
     the shipping pallets arrived in Modena. They are special to those
   model
     cars as well!  While "based" on the air cleaners used in thousands of
     other Ford cars, they have that little vacuum motor for fresh air
     intake on the side! Some of you would recognize this option from the
     "Q" code 428 cars of 1969 and 1970, and the Boss 302's that didn't
   get
     shakers.  Ford continued this same feature in the 4V equipped
   Mustangs
     from 71-73. They are unique in that they have the rest of the vacuum
     and charcoal vent tubes, and hot air intake stuff, plus that little
     vacuum operated door on the side. That is what sets them apart from
   the
     rest. These were the Q-code air cleaners that were used in these
   later
     years.
     "M" code air cleaners are the plain type used on 2V and 4V engines
     interchangeably.  They were used on the Boss, CJ, and HO models of
     Mustangs and Cougars, making them somewhat valuable to the restorers.
     Now, DeTomaso may have moved the air intake snorkel around to face
     rearward, but they also built odd tin shrouds around this "extra" ram
     air intake too.  We have seen some air cleaners that seemed to have
   two
     extra shields on them for some reason or another.  Having been
   modified
     so much, they would have little to restorers of vintage Mustangs
   except
     for parts to fix theirs.
     Sources:

   [1][1]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023420.
   htm
     l

   [2][2]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2013-March/068693.htm
   l

   [3][3]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023432.
   htm
     l

   [4][4]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023433.
   htm
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 18:23:10 -0600
From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>, Charles McCall
        <charlesmccall at gmail.com>,      "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>,
        Space City Panteras <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com>,   San Diego Panteras
        <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
Message-ID:
        <CANX29aXQmfaE6Ecp1-zFmX5CVH7KCCnGH+sMNee3Rbh2HQ8V2w at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they joined
and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a new member,
that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric would be it's
effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough correlation to analyze.

Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous connection.

So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is entertaining;
eventually a nuisance? Your call.

Jeff
6559

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
> scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>
> I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
> notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
> comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living inside
> an Alzheimer's dream!
>
> And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
> causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras on FB
> doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be worth
> millions if that's the case.
>
> In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB posts
> and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a photo and
> feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any due diligence,
> just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>
> And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on any site
> and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed up with ad's for
> dildo's and blow up dolls.
>
> Julian
> ________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez <
> edducati at mac.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
> To: Charles McCall
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>
> I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-) I'm the
> guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>
> Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of hot rod
> and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts daily but they
> go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across several Pantera pages
> only go on your newsfeed and not on your own page. There are settings in FB
> to allow or disallow posts. You can limit the number. You can also
> subscribe or unsubscribe to which ever pages you want to.
>
> I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with Pantera
> stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and recognition to our cars
> and has increased value.
>
> It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck I
> didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of Junika Okada
> and the awesome work he does over there.
>
> The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already and to
> ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page, this has and
> will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and get people
> interested. All the pages are there already (for the chapters)
>
> So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and pages
> at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try not to cross
> post so much. ;-)
>
> Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that love
> this car.
>
> We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time... @pocausa
>
> Ed
>
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>
> > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ed,
> > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
> communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or coordination on
> FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a fair amount of activity.
> If you have a message that you want to make sure that everyone gets, then
> you need to cross-post on a half-dozen pages. People who subscribe to those
> pages get the same message a half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It
> happens now, and it will only get worse if people keep generating new FB
> Pantera pages.
> >
> > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail f?rums. Most people would belong
> to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them all. I don't see
> the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world into ever-smaller grounds,
> but I do see disadvantages.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
> >>    Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for every
> chapter
> >>    of POCA.
> >>
> >>    Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you don't
> >>    already have one, because your missing out on some really good
> Pantera
> >>    stuff...
> >>
> >>    I have made all these pages so far:
> >>
> >>    POCA Main FB page
> >>
> >>    [1]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
> >>
> >>    SDP FB Page
> >>
> >>    [2]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
> >>
> >>    Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
> >>
> >>    [3]
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
> >>    6?ref=hl
> >>
> >>    AZ Panteras
> >>
> >>    [4]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
> >>
> >>    Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
> >>
> >>    [5]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
> >>
> >>    POCA Main Group Page
> >>
> >>    [6]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
> >>
> >>    POCA Fun Rally Page
> >>
> >>    [7]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
> >>
> >>    and here is my personal page:
> >>
> >>    [8]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> >>
> >>    I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
> >>
> >>    Other pages:
> >>
> >>    Foothill Panteras - Secret group
> >>
> >>    [9]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
> >>
> >>    Panteras Northwest
> >>
> >>    [10]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
> >>
> >>    NY Panteras
> >>
> >>    [11]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
> >>
> >>    Jersey Panteras
> >>
> >>    [12]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
> >>
> >>    DeTomaso Pantera USA
> >>
> >>    [13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
> >>
> >>    DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
> >>
> >>    [14]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
> >>
> >>    Strada Pantera
> >>
> >>    [15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
> >>
> >>    DeTomaso Friends
> >>
> >>    [16]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
> >>
> >>    DeTomaso Registry
> >>
> >>    [17]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
> >>
> >>    DeTomaso Club of France
> >>
> >>    [18]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
> >>
> >>    DeTomaso Owners of Australia
> >>
> >>    [19]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
> >>
> >>    Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our Japanese
> >>    counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
> >>
> >>    [20]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
> >>
> >>    And many many more.
> >>
> >>    A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before. There are
> >>    over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related sites
> now.
> >>    Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead of the
> >>    forums and websites. TRUE.
> >>
> >>    Like this one:
> >>
> >>    Clevelands Forever - [21]351c.net - anything you ever wanted to know
> >>    and didn't know about the 351C!
> >>
> >>    [22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
> >>
> >>    Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access to all
> of
> >>    this great stuff!!
> >>
> >>    Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
> >>
> >>    This is the future of our great club!
> >>
> >>    In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun Rally in San
> >>    Diego.
> >>
> >>    Enjoy!
> >>
> >>    [23]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
> >>
> >>    Ed Mendez
> >>
> >>    Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> >>
> >> References
> >>
> >>    1. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
> >>    2. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
> >>    3.
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=hl
> >>    4. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
> >>    5. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
> >>    6. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
> >>    7. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
> >>    8. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> >>    9. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
> >>   10. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
> >>   11. panterashttps://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
> >>   12. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
> >>   13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
> >>   14. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
> >>   15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
> >>   16. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
> >>   17. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
> >>   18. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
> >>   19. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
> >>   20. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
> >>   21. http://351c.net/
> >>   22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
> >>   23. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
> >>
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   The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
   meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
   joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a
   new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric
   would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
   correlation to analyze.
   Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
   something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
   connection.A
   So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
   entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
   Jeff
   6559

   On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
   <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:

     There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
     scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
     I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
     notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
     comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living
     inside an Alzheimer's dream!
     And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
     causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras
     on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be
     worth millions if that's the case.
     In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
     posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a
     photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
     due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
     And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
     any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed
     up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
     Julian
     ________________________________________
     From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez
     <[3]edducati at mac.com>
     Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
     To: Charles McCall
     Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
     I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
     I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
     Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
     hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts
     daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
     several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
     page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
     limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
     ever pages you want to.
     I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
     Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
     recognition to our cars and has increased value.
     It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck
     I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
     Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
     The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already
     and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page,
     this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and
     get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
     chapters)
     So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
     pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try
     not to cross post so much. ;-)
     Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that
     love this car.
     We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
     @pocausa
     Ed
     Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
     > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
     <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
     >
     > Ed,
     > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
     communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
     coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
     fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make
     sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen
     pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
     half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
     only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
     >
     > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people would
     belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
     all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
     into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
     >
     > What do you think?
     >
     >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <[6]edducati at mac.com>
     wrote:
     >>A  A  Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for
     every chapter
     >>A  A  of POCA.
     >>
     >>A  A  Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you
     don't
     >>A  A  already have one, because your missing out on some really
     good Pantera
     >>A  A  stuff...
     >>
     >>A  A  I have made all these pages so far:
     >>
     >>A  A  POCA Main FB page
     >>
     >>A  A
     [1][7]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
     >>
     >>A  A  SDP FB Page
     >>
     >>A  A  [2][8]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
     >>
     >>A  A  Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
     >>
     >>A  A
     [3][9]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
     626227
     >>A  A  6?ref=hl
     >>
     >>A  A  AZ Panteras
     >>
     >>A  A  [4][10]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
     >>
     >>A  A  Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
     >>
     >>A  A  [5][11]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
     >>
     >>A  A  POCA Main Group Page
     >>
     >>A  A
     [6][12]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
     >>
     >>A  A  POCA Fun Rally Page
     >>
     >>A  A  [7][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
     >>
     >>A  A  and here is my personal page:
     >>
     >>A  A  [8][14]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
     >>
     >>A  A  I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
     >>
     >>A  A  Other pages:
     >>
     >>A  A  Foothill Panteras - Secret group
     >>
     >>A  A  [9][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
     >>
     >>A  A  Panteras Northwest
     >>
     >>A  A  [10][16]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
     >>
     >>A  A  NY Panteras
     >>
     >>A  A  [11][17]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
     >>
     >>A  A  Jersey Panteras
     >>
     >>A  A  [12][18]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
     >>
     >>A  A  DeTomaso Pantera USA
     >>
     >>A  A  [13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
     >>
     >>A  A  DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
     >>
     >>A  A  [14][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
     >>
     >>A  A  Strada Pantera
     >>
     >>A  A  [15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
     >>
     >>A  A  DeTomaso Friends
     >>
     >>A  A  [16][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
     >>
     >>A  A  DeTomaso Registry
     >>
     >>A  A
     [17][23]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
     >>
     >>A  A  DeTomaso Club of France
     >>
     >>A  A
     [18][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
     >>
     >>A  A  DeTomaso Owners of Australia
     >>
     >>A  A  [19][25]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
     >>
     >>A  A  Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our
     Japanese
     >>A  A  counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
     >>
     >>A  A  [20][26]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
     >>
     >>A  A  And many many more.
     >>
     >>A  A  A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
     There are
     >>A  A  over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related
     sites now.
     >>A  A  Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead
     of the
     >>A  A  forums and websites. TRUE.
     >>
     >>A  A  Like this one:
     >>
     >>A  A  Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you ever
     wanted to know
     >>A  A  and didn't know about the 351C!
     >>
     >>A  A  [22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
     >>
     >>A  A  Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access
     to all of
     >>A  A  this great stuff!!
     >>
     >>A  A  Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
     >>
     >>A  A  This is the future of our great club!
     >>
     >>A  A  In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
     Rally in San
     >>A  A  Diego.
     >>
     >>A  A  Enjoy!
     >>
     >>A  A  [23][29]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
     >>
     >>A  A  Ed Mendez
     >>
     >>A  A  Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
     >>
     >> References
     >>
     >>A  A  1.
     [30]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
     >>A  A  2. [31]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
     >>A  A  3.
     [32]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
     62276?ref=hl
     >>A  A  4. [33]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
     >>A  A  5. [34]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
     >>A  A  6.
     [35]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
     >>A  A  7. [36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
     >>A  A  8. [37]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
     >>A  A  9. [38]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
     >>A  A 10. [39]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
     >>A  A 11. panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
     >>A  A 12. [41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
     >>A  A 13. [42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
     >>A  A 14. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
     >>A  A 15. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
     >>A  A 16. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
     >>A  A 17.
     [46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
     >>A  A 18.
     [47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
     >>A  A 19. [48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
     >>A  A 20. [49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
     >>A  A 21. [50]http://351c.net/
     >>A  A 22. [51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
     >>A  A 23. [52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
     >>
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References

   1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
   2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
   4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   5. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
   6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
   7. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
   8. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
   9. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
  10. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
  11. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
  12. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
  13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
  14. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
  15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
  16. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
  17. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
  18. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
  19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
  20. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
  21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
  22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
  23. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
  24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
  25. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
  26. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
  27. http://351c.net/
  28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
  29. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
  30. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
  31. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
  32. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=hl
  33. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
  34. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
  35. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
  36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
  37. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
  38. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
  39. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
  40. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
  41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
  42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
  43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
  44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
  45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
  46. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
  47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
  48. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
  49. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
  50. http://351c.net/
  51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
  52. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
  53. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  54. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  55. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  56. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 18:33:52 -0600
From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
        <detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
Message-ID:
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The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they joined
and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a new member,
that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric would be it's
effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough correlation to analyze.

Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous connection.

So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is entertaining;
eventually a nuisance? Your call.

Jeff
6559

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
> scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>
> I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
> notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
> comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living inside
> an Alzheimer's dream!
>
> And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
> causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras on FB
> doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be worth
> millions if that's the case.
>
> In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB posts
> and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a photo and
> feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any due diligence,
> just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>
> And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on any site
> and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed up with ad's for
> dildo's and blow up dolls.
>
> Julian
> ________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez <
> edducati at mac.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
> To: Charles McCall
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>
> I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-) I'm the
> guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>
> Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of hot rod
> and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts daily but they
> go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across several Pantera pages
> only go on your newsfeed and not on your own page. There are settings in FB
> to allow or disallow posts. You can limit the number. You can also
> subscribe or unsubscribe to which ever pages you want to.
>
> I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with Pantera
> stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and recognition to our cars
> and has increased value.
>
> It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck I
> didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of Junika Okada
> and the awesome work he does over there.
>
> The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already and to
> ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page, this has and
> will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and get people
> interested. All the pages are there already (for the chapters)
>
> So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and pages
> at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try not to cross
> post so much. ;-)
>
> Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that love
> this car.
>
> We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time... @pocausa
>
> Ed
>
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>
> > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ed,
> > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
> communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or coordination on
> FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a fair amount of activity.
> If you have a message that you want to make sure that everyone gets, then
> you need to cross-post on a half-dozen pages. People who subscribe to those
> pages get the same message a half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It
> happens now, and it will only get worse if people keep generating new FB
> Pantera pages.
> >
> > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail f?rums. Most people would belong
> to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them all. I don't see
> the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world into ever-smaller grounds,
> but I do see disadvantages.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
> >>    Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for every
> chapter
> >>    of POCA.
> >>
> >>    Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you don't
> >>    already have one, because your missing out on some really good
> Pantera
> >>    stuff...
> >>
> >>    I have made all these pages so far:
> >>
> >>    POCA Main FB page
> >>
> >>    [1]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
> >>
> >>    SDP FB Page
> >>
> >>    [2]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
> >>
> >>    Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
> >>
> >>    [3]
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
> >>    6?ref=hl
> >>
> >>    AZ Panteras
> >>
> >>    [4]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
> >>
> >>    Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
> >>
> >>    [5]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
> >>
> >>    POCA Main Group Page
> >>
> >>    [6]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
> >>
> >>    POCA Fun Rally Page
> >>
> >>    [7]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
> >>
> >>    and here is my personal page:
> >>
> >>    [8]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> >>
> >>    I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
> >>
> >>    Other pages:
> >>
> >>    Foothill Panteras - Secret group
> >>
> >>    [9]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
> >>
> >>    Panteras Northwest
> >>
> >>    [10]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
> >>
> >>    NY Panteras
> >>
> >>    [11]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
> >>
> >>    Jersey Panteras
> >>
> >>    [12]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
> >>
> >>    DeTomaso Pantera USA
> >>
> >>    [13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
> >>
> >>    DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
> >>
> >>    [14]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
> >>
> >>    Strada Pantera
> >>
> >>    [15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
> >>
> >>    DeTomaso Friends
> >>
> >>    [16]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
> >>
> >>    DeTomaso Registry
> >>
> >>    [17]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
> >>
> >>    DeTomaso Club of France
> >>
> >>    [18]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
> >>
> >>    DeTomaso Owners of Australia
> >>
> >>    [19]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
> >>
> >>    Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our Japanese
> >>    counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
> >>
> >>    [20]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
> >>
> >>    And many many more.
> >>
> >>    A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before. There are
> >>    over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related sites
> now.
> >>    Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead of the
> >>    forums and websites. TRUE.
> >>
> >>    Like this one:
> >>
> >>    Clevelands Forever - [21]351c.net - anything you ever wanted to know
> >>    and didn't know about the 351C!
> >>
> >>    [22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
> >>
> >>    Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access to all
> of
> >>    this great stuff!!
> >>
> >>    Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
> >>
> >>    This is the future of our great club!
> >>
> >>    In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun Rally in San
> >>    Diego.
> >>
> >>    Enjoy!
> >>
> >>    [23]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
> >>
> >>    Ed Mendez
> >>
> >>    Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> >>
> >> References
> >>
> >>    1. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
> >>    2. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
> >>    3.
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=hl
> >>    4. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
> >>    5. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
> >>    6. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
> >>    7. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
> >>    8. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> >>    9. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
> >>   10. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
> >>   11. panterashttps://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
> >>   12. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
> >>   13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
> >>   14. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
> >>   15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
> >>   16. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
> >>   17. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
> >>   18. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
> >>   19. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
> >>   20. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
> >>   21. http://351c.net/
> >>   22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
> >>   23. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
> >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
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> >>
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> use the links above.
> >
> _______________________________________________
>
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>
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   The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
   meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
   joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a
   new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric
   would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
   correlation to analyze.
   Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
   something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
   connection.A
   So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
   entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
   Jeff
   6559

   On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
   <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:

     There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
     scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
     I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
     notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
     comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living
     inside an Alzheimer's dream!
     And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
     causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras
     on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be
     worth millions if that's the case.
     In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
     posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a
     photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
     due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
     And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
     any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed
     up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
     Julian
     ________________________________________
     From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez
     <[3]edducati at mac.com>
     Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
     To: Charles McCall
     Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
     I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
     I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
     Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
     hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts
     daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
     several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
     page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
     limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
     ever pages you want to.
     I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
     Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
     recognition to our cars and has increased value.
     It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck
     I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
     Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
     The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already
     and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page,
     this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and
     get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
     chapters)
     So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
     pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try
     not to cross post so much. ;-)
     Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that
     love this car.
     We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
     @pocausa
     Ed
     Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
     > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
     <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
     >
     > Ed,
     > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
     communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
     coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
     fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make
     sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen
     pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
     half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
     only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
     >
     > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people would
     belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
     all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
     into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
     >
     > What do you think?
     >
     >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <[6]edducati at mac.com>
     wrote:
     >>A  A  Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for
     every chapter
     >>A  A  of POCA.
     >>
     >>A  A  Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you
     don't
     >>A  A  already have one, because your missing out on some really
     good Pantera
     >>A  A  stuff...
     >>
     >>A  A  I have made all these pages so far:
     >>
     >>A  A  POCA Main FB page
     >>
     >>A  A
     [1][7]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
     >>
     >>A  A  SDP FB Page
     >>
     >>A  A  [2][8]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
     >>
     >>A  A  Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
     >>
     >>A  A
     [3][9]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
     626227
     >>A  A  6?ref=hl
     >>
     >>A  A  AZ Panteras
     >>
     >>A  A  [4][10]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
     >>
     >>A  A  Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
     >>
     >>A  A  [5][11]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
     >>
     >>A  A  POCA Main Group Page
     >>
     >>A  A
     [6][12]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
     >>
     >>A  A  POCA Fun Rally Page
     >>
     >>A  A  [7][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
     >>
     >>A  A  and here is my personal page:
     >>
     >>A  A  [8][14]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
     >>
     >>A  A  I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
     >>
     >>A  A  Other pages:
     >>
     >>A  A  Foothill Panteras - Secret group
     >>
     >>A  A  [9][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
     >>
     >>A  A  Panteras Northwest
     >>
     >>A  A  [10][16]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
     >>
     >>A  A  NY Panteras
     >>
     >>A  A  [11][17]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
     >>
     >>A  A  Jersey Panteras
     >>
     >>A  A  [12][18]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
     >>
     >>A  A  DeTomaso Pantera USA
     >>
     >>A  A  [13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
     >>
     >>A  A  DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
     >>
     >>A  A  [14][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
     >>
     >>A  A  Strada Pantera
     >>
     >>A  A  [15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
     >>
     >>A  A  DeTomaso Friends
     >>
     >>A  A  [16][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
     >>
     >>A  A  DeTomaso Registry
     >>
     >>A  A
     [17][23]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
     >>
     >>A  A  DeTomaso Club of France
     >>
     >>A  A
     [18][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
     >>
     >>A  A  DeTomaso Owners of Australia
     >>
     >>A  A  [19][25]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
     >>
     >>A  A  Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our
     Japanese
     >>A  A  counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
     >>
     >>A  A  [20][26]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
     >>
     >>A  A  And many many more.
     >>
     >>A  A  A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
     There are
     >>A  A  over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related
     sites now.
     >>A  A  Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead
     of the
     >>A  A  forums and websites. TRUE.
     >>
     >>A  A  Like this one:
     >>
     >>A  A  Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you ever
     wanted to know
     >>A  A  and didn't know about the 351C!
     >>
     >>A  A  [22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
     >>
     >>A  A  Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access
     to all of
     >>A  A  this great stuff!!
     >>
     >>A  A  Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
     >>
     >>A  A  This is the future of our great club!
     >>
     >>A  A  In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
     Rally in San
     >>A  A  Diego.
     >>
     >>A  A  Enjoy!
     >>
     >>A  A  [23][29]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
     >>
     >>A  A  Ed Mendez
     >>
     >>A  A  Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
     >>
     >> References
     >>
     >>A  A  1.
     [30]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
     >>A  A  2. [31]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
     >>A  A  3.
     [32]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
     62276?ref=hl
     >>A  A  4. [33]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
     >>A  A  5. [34]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
     >>A  A  6.
     [35]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
     >>A  A  7. [36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
     >>A  A  8. [37]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
     >>A  A  9. [38]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
     >>A  A 10. [39]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
     >>A  A 11. panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
     >>A  A 12. [41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
     >>A  A 13. [42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
     >>A  A 14. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
     >>A  A 15. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
     >>A  A 16. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
     >>A  A 17.
     [46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
     >>A  A 18.
     [47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
     >>A  A 19. [48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
     >>A  A 20. [49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
     >>A  A 21. [50]http://351c.net/
     >>A  A 22. [51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
     >>A  A 23. [52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
     >>
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References

   1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
   2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
   4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   5. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
   6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
   7. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
   8. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
   9. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
  10. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
  11. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
  12. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
  13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
  14. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
  15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
  16. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
  17. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
  18. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
  19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
  20. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
  21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
  22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
  23. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
  24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
  25. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
  26. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
  27. http://351c.net/
  28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
  29. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
  30. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
  31. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
  32. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=hl
  33. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
  34. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
  35. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
  36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
  37. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
  38. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
  39. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
  40. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
  41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
  42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
  43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
  44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
  45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
  46. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
  47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
  48. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
  49. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
  50. http://351c.net/
  51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
  52. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
  53. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  54. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  55. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  56. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 17:03:53 -0800
From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>, Julian Kift
        <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>,    Space City Panteras
        <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com>,       San Diego Panteras
        <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
Message-ID: <D2D53DC2.15EFFE%larrys at panteraparts.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"

You folks have got to understand that we are an older crowd here. Facebook
is a younger Demographic that we would reaching out to. As Ed Mendez has
noted that we also have a twitter account, then there is instagram, for
another Younger demographic. These are all just younger modes of
communication just like our old rotary phones used to be, technology just
keeps marching on. So there are now web pages, Facebook pages, and who
know what will be next. If we want to appeal to a younger market, we need
to be available on these newer communication modes. Lets at least give Ed
credit for putting us out there if some younger folks want to share our
passion, at least we can be available. We can always mail them a magazine.
Larry Stock

On 2/1/16, 4:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
<detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:

>   The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
>   meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
>   joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a
>   new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric
>   would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
>   correlation to analyze.
>   Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
>   something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
>   connection.A
>   So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
>   entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
>   Jeff
>   6559
>
>   On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
>   <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>     There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
>     scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>     I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
>     notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
>     comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living
>     inside an Alzheimer's dream!
>     And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
>     causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras
>     on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be
>     worth millions if that's the case.
>     In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
>     posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a
>     photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
>     due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>     And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
>     any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed
>     up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
>     Julian
>     ________________________________________
>     From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez
>     <[3]edducati at mac.com>
>     Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
>     To: Charles McCall
>     Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>     I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
>     I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>     Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
>     hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts
>     daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
>     several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
>     page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
>     limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
>     ever pages you want to.
>     I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
>     Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
>     recognition to our cars and has increased value.
>     It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck
>     I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
>     Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
>     The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already
>     and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page,
>     this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and
>     get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
>     chapters)
>     So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
>     pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try
>     not to cross post so much. ;-)
>     Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that
>     love this car.
>     We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
>     @pocausa
>     Ed
>     Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>     > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
>     <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>     >
>     > Ed,
>     > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
>     communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
>     coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
>     fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make
>     sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen
>     pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
>     half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
>     only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
>     >
>     > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people would
>     belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
>     all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
>     into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
>     >
>     > What do you think?
>     >
>     >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <[6]edducati at mac.com>
>     wrote:
>     >>A  A  Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for
>     every chapter
>     >>A  A  of POCA.
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you
>     don't
>     >>A  A  already have one, because your missing out on some really
>     good Pantera
>     >>A  A  stuff...
>     >>
>     >>A  A  I have made all these pages so far:
>     >>
>     >>A  A  POCA Main FB page
>     >>
>     >>A  A
>     [1][7]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>     >>
>     >>A  A  SDP FB Page
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [2][8]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
>     >>
>     >>A  A
>     [3][9]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
>     626227
>     >>A  A  6?ref=hl
>     >>
>     >>A  A  AZ Panteras
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [4][10]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [5][11]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>     >>
>     >>A  A  POCA Main Group Page
>     >>
>     >>A  A
>     [6][12]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>     >>
>     >>A  A  POCA Fun Rally Page
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [7][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>     >>
>     >>A  A  and here is my personal page:
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [8][14]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>     >>
>     >>A  A  I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Other pages:
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Foothill Panteras - Secret group
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [9][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Panteras Northwest
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [10][16]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>     >>
>     >>A  A  NY Panteras
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [11][17]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Jersey Panteras
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [12][18]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>     >>
>     >>A  A  DeTomaso Pantera USA
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>     >>
>     >>A  A  DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [14][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Strada Pantera
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>     >>
>     >>A  A  DeTomaso Friends
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [16][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>     >>
>     >>A  A  DeTomaso Registry
>     >>
>     >>A  A
>     [17][23]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>     >>
>     >>A  A  DeTomaso Club of France
>     >>
>     >>A  A
>     [18][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>     >>
>     >>A  A  DeTomaso Owners of Australia
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [19][25]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our
>     Japanese
>     >>A  A  counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [20][26]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>     >>
>     >>A  A  And many many more.
>     >>
>     >>A  A  A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
>     There are
>     >>A  A  over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related
>     sites now.
>     >>A  A  Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead
>     of the
>     >>A  A  forums and websites. TRUE.
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Like this one:
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you ever
>     wanted to know
>     >>A  A  and didn't know about the 351C!
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access
>     to all of
>     >>A  A  this great stuff!!
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
>     >>
>     >>A  A  This is the future of our great club!
>     >>
>     >>A  A  In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
>     Rally in San
>     >>A  A  Diego.
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Enjoy!
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [23][29]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Ed Mendez
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>     >>
>     >> References
>     >>
>     >>A  A  1.
>     [30]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>     >>A  A  2. [31]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>     >>A  A  3.
>     [32]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
>     62276?ref=hl
>     >>A  A  4. [33]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>     >>A  A  5. [34]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>     >>A  A  6.
>     [35]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>     >>A  A  7. [36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>     >>A  A  8. [37]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>     >>A  A  9. [38]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>     >>A  A 10. [39]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>     >>A  A 11. panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>     >>A  A 12. [41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>     >>A  A 13. [42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>     >>A  A 14. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>     >>A  A 15. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>     >>A  A 16. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>     >>A  A 17.
>     [46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>     >>A  A 18.
>     [47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>     >>A  A 19. [48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>     >>A  A 20. [49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>     >>A  A 21. [50]http://351c.net/
>     >>A  A 22. [51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>     >>A  A 23. [52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>     >>
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>   3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>   4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   5. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
>   6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>   7. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>   8. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>   9. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
>  10. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>  11. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>  12. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>  13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>  14. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>  15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>  16. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>  17. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>  18. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>  19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>  20. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>  21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>  22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>  23. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>  24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>  25. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>  26. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>  27. http://351c.net/
>  28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>  29. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>  30. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>  31. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>  32.
>https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=
>hl
>  33. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>  34. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>  35. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>  36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>  37. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>  38. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>  39. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>  40. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>  41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>  42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>  43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>  44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>  45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>  46. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>  47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>  48. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>  49. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>  50. http://351c.net/
>  51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>  52. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>  53. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  54. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  55. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 20:31:41 -0500
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: <detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
Message-ID: <000001d15d59$78d19a50$6a74cef0$@com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

Being that older crowd...
Is this discussion about how to communicate for social or for the exchange
of information.

If for the exchange and collection of information, how is FB superior to a
bulletin board format?
If for social communication, how is FB better than group email?

So far, my limited time with the POCA email, I have tolerated my dislike of
it so I can just associate with the group.

Joe/NC

-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Larry Stock
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 20:04 PM
To: Jeff Detrich; Julian Kift
Cc: detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook

You folks have got to understand that we are an older crowd here. Facebook
is a younger Demographic that we would reaching out to. As Ed Mendez has
noted that we also have a twitter account, then there is instagram, for
another Younger demographic. These are all just younger modes of
communication just like our old rotary phones used to be, technology just
keeps marching on. So there are now web pages, Facebook pages, and who know
what will be next. If we want to appeal to a younger market, we need to be
available on these newer communication modes. Lets at least give Ed credit
for putting us out there if some younger folks want to share our passion, at
least we can be available. We can always mail them a magazine.
Larry Stock

On 2/1/16, 4:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
<detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:

>   The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
>   meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
>   joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a
>   new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric
>   would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
>   correlation to analyze.
>   Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
>   something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
>   connection.A
>   So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
>   entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
>   Jeff
>   6559
>
>   On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
>   <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>     There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
>     scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>     I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
>     notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
>     comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living
>     inside an Alzheimer's dream!
>     And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
>     causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras
>     on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be
>     worth millions if that's the case.
>     In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
>     posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a
>     photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
>     due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>     And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
>     any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed
>     up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
>     Julian
>     ________________________________________
>     From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez
>     <[3]edducati at mac.com>
>     Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
>     To: Charles McCall
>     Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>     I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
>     I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>     Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
>     hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts
>     daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
>     several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
>     page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
>     limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
>     ever pages you want to.
>     I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
>     Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
>     recognition to our cars and has increased value.
>     It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck
>     I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
>     Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
>     The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already
>     and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page,
>     this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and
>     get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
>     chapters)
>     So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
>     pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try
>     not to cross post so much. ;-)
>     Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that
>     love this car.
>     We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
>     @pocausa
>     Ed
>     Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>     > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
>     <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>     >
>     > Ed,
>     > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
>     communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
>     coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
>     fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make
>     sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen
>     pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
>     half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
>     only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
>     >
>     > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people would
>     belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
>     all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
>     into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
>     >
>     > What do you think?
>     >
>     >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <[6]edducati at mac.com>
>     wrote:
>     >>A  A  Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for
>     every chapter
>     >>A  A  of POCA.
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you
>     don't
>     >>A  A  already have one, because your missing out on some really
>     good Pantera
>     >>A  A  stuff...
>     >>
>     >>A  A  I have made all these pages so far:
>     >>
>     >>A  A  POCA Main FB page
>     >>
>     >>A  A
>     [1][7]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>     >>
>     >>A  A  SDP FB Page
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [2][8]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
>     >>
>     >>A  A
>     [3][9]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
>     626227
>     >>A  A  6?ref=hl
>     >>
>     >>A  A  AZ Panteras
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [4][10]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [5][11]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>     >>
>     >>A  A  POCA Main Group Page
>     >>
>     >>A  A
>     [6][12]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>     >>
>     >>A  A  POCA Fun Rally Page
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [7][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>     >>
>     >>A  A  and here is my personal page:
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [8][14]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>     >>
>     >>A  A  I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Other pages:
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Foothill Panteras - Secret group
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [9][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Panteras Northwest
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [10][16]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>     >>
>     >>A  A  NY Panteras
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [11][17]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Jersey Panteras
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [12][18]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>     >>
>     >>A  A  DeTomaso Pantera USA
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>     >>
>     >>A  A  DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [14][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Strada Pantera
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>     >>
>     >>A  A  DeTomaso Friends
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [16][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>     >>
>     >>A  A  DeTomaso Registry
>     >>
>     >>A  A
>     [17][23]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>     >>
>     >>A  A  DeTomaso Club of France
>     >>
>     >>A  A
>     [18][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>     >>
>     >>A  A  DeTomaso Owners of Australia
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [19][25]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our
>     Japanese
>     >>A  A  counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [20][26]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>     >>
>     >>A  A  And many many more.
>     >>
>     >>A  A  A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
>     There are
>     >>A  A  over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related
>     sites now.
>     >>A  A  Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead
>     of the
>     >>A  A  forums and websites. TRUE.
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Like this one:
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you ever
>     wanted to know
>     >>A  A  and didn't know about the 351C!
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access
>     to all of
>     >>A  A  this great stuff!!
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
>     >>
>     >>A  A  This is the future of our great club!
>     >>
>     >>A  A  In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
>     Rally in San
>     >>A  A  Diego.
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Enjoy!
>     >>
>     >>A  A  [23][29]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Ed Mendez
>     >>
>     >>A  A  Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>     >>
>     >> References
>     >>
>     >>A  A  1.
>     [30]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>     >>A  A  2. [31]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>     >>A  A  3.
>     [32]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
>     62276?ref=hl
>     >>A  A  4. [33]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>     >>A  A  5. [34]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>     >>A  A  6.
>     [35]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>     >>A  A  7. [36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>     >>A  A  8. [37]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>     >>A  A  9. [38]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>     >>A  A 10. [39]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>     >>A  A 11. panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>     >>A  A 12. [41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>     >>A  A 13. [42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>     >>A  A 14. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>     >>A  A 15. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>     >>A  A 16. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>     >>A  A 17.
>     [46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>     >>A  A 18.
>     [47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>     >>A  A 19. [48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>     >>A  A 20. [49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>     >>A  A 21. [50]http://351c.net/
>     >>A  A 22. [51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>     >>A  A 23. [52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>     >>
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>   1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>   2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>   3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>   4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   5. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
>   6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>   7. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>   8. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>   9.
>https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
>  10. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>  11. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>  12. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>  13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>  14. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>  15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>  16. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>  17. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>  18. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>  19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>  20. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>  21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>  22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>  23. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>  24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>  25. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>  26. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>  27. http://351c.net/
>  28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>  29. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>  30. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>  31. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>  32.
>https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?r
>ef=
>hl
>  33. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>  34. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>  35. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>  36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>  37. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>  38. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>  39. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>  40. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>  41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>  42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>  43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>  44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>  45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>  46. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>  47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>  48. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>  49. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>  50. http://351c.net/
>  51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>  52. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>  53. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  54. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>  55. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>  56. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2016 14:46:45 +1300
From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>, Julian Kift
        <julian_kift at hotmail.com>,      "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>,
        Space City Panteras <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com>,   San Diego Panteras
        <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
Message-ID: <4EFD4C56-B471-4B67-989D-44BB5E489FD9 at mac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Thank you

Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus

> On 2/02/2016, at 14:03, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> You folks have got to understand that we are an older crowd here. Facebook
> is a younger Demographic that we would reaching out to. As Ed Mendez has
> noted that we also have a twitter account, then there is instagram, for
> another Younger demographic. These are all just younger modes of
> communication just like our old rotary phones used to be, technology just
> keeps marching on. So there are now web pages, Facebook pages, and who
> know what will be next. If we want to appeal to a younger market, we need
> to be available on these newer communication modes. Lets at least give Ed
> credit for putting us out there if some younger folks want to share our
> passion, at least we can be available. We can always mail them a magazine.
> Larry Stock
>
> On 2/1/16, 4:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
>>  meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
>>  joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a
>>  new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric
>>  would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
>>  correlation to analyze.
>>  Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
>>  something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
>>  connection.A
>>  So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
>>  entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
>>  Jeff
>>  6559
>>
>>  On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
>>  <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>    There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
>>    scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>>    I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
>>    notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
>>    comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living
>>    inside an Alzheimer's dream!
>>    And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
>>    causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras
>>    on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be
>>    worth millions if that's the case.
>>    In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
>>    posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a
>>    photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
>>    due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>>    And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
>>    any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed
>>    up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
>>    Julian
>>    ________________________________________
>>    From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez
>>    <[3]edducati at mac.com>
>>    Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
>>    To: Charles McCall
>>    Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>>    I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
>>    I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>>    Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
>>    hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts
>>    daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
>>    several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
>>    page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
>>    limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
>>    ever pages you want to.
>>    I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
>>    Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
>>    recognition to our cars and has increased value.
>>    It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck
>>    I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
>>    Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
>>    The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already
>>    and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page,
>>    this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and
>>    get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
>>    chapters)
>>    So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
>>    pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try
>>    not to cross post so much. ;-)
>>    Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that
>>    love this car.
>>    We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
>>    @pocausa
>>    Ed
>>    Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>>> On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
>>>    <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ed,
>>> Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
>>    communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
>>    coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
>>    fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make
>>    sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen
>>    pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
>>    half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
>>    only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
>>>
>>> It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people would
>>    belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
>>    all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
>>    into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <[6]edducati at mac.com>
>>    wrote:
>>>> A  A  Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for
>>    every chapter
>>>> A  A  of POCA.
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you
>>    don't
>>>> A  A  already have one, because your missing out on some really
>>    good Pantera
>>>> A  A  stuff...
>>>>
>>>> A  A  I have made all these pages so far:
>>>>
>>>> A  A  POCA Main FB page
>>>>
>>>> A  A
>>    [1][7]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>>>
>>>> A  A  SDP FB Page
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [2][8]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
>>>>
>>>> A  A
>>    [3][9]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
>>    626227
>>>> A  A  6?ref=hl
>>>>
>>>> A  A  AZ Panteras
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [4][10]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [5][11]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>>>
>>>> A  A  POCA Main Group Page
>>>>
>>>> A  A
>>    [6][12]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>>>
>>>> A  A  POCA Fun Rally Page
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [7][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>>>
>>>> A  A  and here is my personal page:
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [8][14]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>>>
>>>> A  A  I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Other pages:
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Foothill Panteras - Secret group
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [9][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Panteras Northwest
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [10][16]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>>>
>>>> A  A  NY Panteras
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [11][17]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Jersey Panteras
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [12][18]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>>>
>>>> A  A  DeTomaso Pantera USA
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>>>
>>>> A  A  DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [14][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Strada Pantera
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>>>
>>>> A  A  DeTomaso Friends
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [16][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>>>
>>>> A  A  DeTomaso Registry
>>>>
>>>> A  A
>>    [17][23]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>>>
>>>> A  A  DeTomaso Club of France
>>>>
>>>> A  A
>>    [18][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>>>
>>>> A  A  DeTomaso Owners of Australia
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [19][25]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our
>>    Japanese
>>>> A  A  counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [20][26]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>>>
>>>> A  A  And many many more.
>>>>
>>>> A  A  A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
>>    There are
>>>> A  A  over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related
>>    sites now.
>>>> A  A  Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead
>>    of the
>>>> A  A  forums and websites. TRUE.
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Like this one:
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you ever
>>    wanted to know
>>>> A  A  and didn't know about the 351C!
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access
>>    to all of
>>>> A  A  this great stuff!!
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
>>>>
>>>> A  A  This is the future of our great club!
>>>>
>>>> A  A  In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
>>    Rally in San
>>>> A  A  Diego.
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Enjoy!
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [23][29]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Ed Mendez
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>>>
>>>> References
>>>>
>>>> A  A  1.
>>    [30]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>>> A  A  2. [31]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>>> A  A  3.
>>    [32]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
>>    62276?ref=hl
>>>> A  A  4. [33]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>>> A  A  5. [34]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>>> A  A  6.
>>    [35]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>>> A  A  7. [36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>>> A  A  8. [37]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>>> A  A  9. [38]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>>> A  A 10. [39]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>>> A  A 11. panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>>> A  A 12. [41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>>> A  A 13. [42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>>> A  A 14. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>>> A  A 15. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>>> A  A 16. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>>> A  A 17.
>>    [46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>>> A  A 18.
>>    [47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>>> A  A 19. [48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>>> A  A 20. [49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>>> A  A 21. [50]http://351c.net/
>>>> A  A 22. [51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>>> A  A 23. [52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>>>
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>> References
>>
>>  1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>>  2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>  3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>>  4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>>  5. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
>>  6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>>  7. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>  8. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>  9. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
>> 10. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>> 11. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>> 12. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>> 13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>> 14. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>> 15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>> 16. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>> 17. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>> 18. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>> 19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>> 20. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>> 21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>> 22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>> 23. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>> 24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>> 25. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>> 26. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>> 27. http://351c.net/
>> 28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>> 29. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>> 30. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>> 31. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>> 32.
>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=
>> hl
>> 33. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>> 34. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>> 35. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>> 36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>> 37. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>> 38. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>> 39. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>> 40. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>> 41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>> 42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>> 43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>> 44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>> 45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>> 46. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>> 47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>> 48. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>> 49. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>> 50. http://351c.net/
>> 51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>> 52. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>> 53. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 54. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 55. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 56. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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>>
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 21:46:52 -0500
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: "'Ed Mendez'" <edducati at mac.com>
Cc: <detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
Message-ID: <000001d15d63$f919ad10$eb4d0730$@com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

Please except my apology for comments I've made today being disparaging
towards your efforts.
Joseph Byrd

-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Ed Mendez
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 20:47 PM
To: Larry Stock
Cc: Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras; detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook

Thank you

Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus

> On 2/02/2016, at 14:03, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> You folks have got to understand that we are an older crowd here.
> Facebook is a younger Demographic that we would reaching out to. As Ed
> Mendez has noted that we also have a twitter account, then there is
> instagram, for another Younger demographic. These are all just younger
> modes of communication just like our old rotary phones used to be,
> technology just keeps marching on. So there are now web pages,
> Facebook pages, and who know what will be next. If we want to appeal
> to a younger market, we need to be available on these newer
> communication modes. Lets at least give Ed credit for putting us out
> there if some younger folks want to share our passion, at least we can be
available. We can always mail them a magazine.
> Larry Stock
>
> On 2/1/16, 4:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple
>> and  meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why
>> they  joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook
>> gets a  new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second
>> metric  would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
>> correlation to analyze.
>>  Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to
>> sell  something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
>> connection.A  So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first
>> it is  entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
>>  Jeff
>>  6559
>>
>>  On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
>> <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>    There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
>>    scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>>    I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
>>    notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
>>    comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living
>>    inside an Alzheimer's dream!
>>    And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
>>    causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras
>>    on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be
>>    worth millions if that's the case.
>>    In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
>>    posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a
>>    photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
>>    due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>>    And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
>>    any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed
>>    up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
>>    Julian
>>    ________________________________________
>>    From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez
>>    <[3]edducati at mac.com>
>>    Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
>>    To: Charles McCall
>>    Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>>    I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
>>    I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>>    Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
>>    hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts
>>    daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
>>    several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
>>    page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
>>    limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
>>    ever pages you want to.
>>    I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
>>    Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
>>    recognition to our cars and has increased value.
>>    It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck
>>    I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
>>    Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
>>    The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already
>>    and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page,
>>    this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and
>>    get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
>>    chapters)
>>    So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
>>    pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try
>>    not to cross post so much. ;-)
>>    Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that
>>    love this car.
>>    We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
>>    @pocausa
>>    Ed
>>    Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>>> On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
>>>    <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ed,
>>> Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
>>    communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
>>    coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
>>    fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make
>>    sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen
>>    pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
>>    half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
>>    only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
>>>
>>> It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people would
>>    belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
>>    all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
>>    into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <[6]edducati at mac.com>
>>    wrote:
>>>> A  A  Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for
>>    every chapter
>>>> A  A  of POCA.
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you
>>    don't
>>>> A  A  already have one, because your missing out on some really
>>    good Pantera
>>>> A  A  stuff...
>>>>
>>>> A  A  I have made all these pages so far:
>>>>
>>>> A  A  POCA Main FB page
>>>>
>>>> A  A
>>    [1][7]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>>>
>>>> A  A  SDP FB Page
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [2][8]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
>>>>
>>>> A  A
>>    [3][9]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
>>    626227
>>>> A  A  6?ref=hl
>>>>
>>>> A  A  AZ Panteras
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [4][10]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [5][11]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>>>
>>>> A  A  POCA Main Group Page
>>>>
>>>> A  A
>>    [6][12]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>>>
>>>> A  A  POCA Fun Rally Page
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [7][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>>>
>>>> A  A  and here is my personal page:
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [8][14]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>>>
>>>> A  A  I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Other pages:
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Foothill Panteras - Secret group
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [9][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Panteras Northwest
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [10][16]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>>>
>>>> A  A  NY Panteras
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [11][17]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Jersey Panteras
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [12][18]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>>>
>>>> A  A  DeTomaso Pantera USA
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>>>
>>>> A  A  DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [14][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Strada Pantera
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>>>
>>>> A  A  DeTomaso Friends
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [16][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>>>
>>>> A  A  DeTomaso Registry
>>>>
>>>> A  A
>>
>> [17][23]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>>>
>>>> A  A  DeTomaso Club of France
>>>>
>>>> A  A
>>
>> [18][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>>>
>>>> A  A  DeTomaso Owners of Australia
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [19][25]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our
>>    Japanese
>>>> A  A  counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [20][26]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>>>
>>>> A  A  And many many more.
>>>>
>>>> A  A  A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
>>    There are
>>>> A  A  over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related
>>    sites now.
>>>> A  A  Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead
>>    of the
>>>> A  A  forums and websites. TRUE.
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Like this one:
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you ever
>>    wanted to know
>>>> A  A  and didn't know about the 351C!
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access
>>    to all of
>>>> A  A  this great stuff!!
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
>>>>
>>>> A  A  This is the future of our great club!
>>>>
>>>> A  A  In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
>>    Rally in San
>>>> A  A  Diego.
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Enjoy!
>>>>
>>>> A  A  [23][29]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Ed Mendez
>>>>
>>>> A  A  Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>>>
>>>> References
>>>>
>>>> A  A  1.
>>    [30]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>>> A  A  2. [31]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>>> A  A  3.
>>    [32]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
>>    62276?ref=hl
>>>> A  A  4. [33]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>>> A  A  5. [34]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>>> A  A  6.
>>    [35]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>>> A  A  7. [36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>>> A  A  8. [37]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>>> A  A  9. [38]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>>> A  A 10. [39]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>>> A  A 11. panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>>> A  A 12. [41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>>> A  A 13. [42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>>> A  A 14. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>>> A  A 15. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>>> A  A 16. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>>> A  A 17.
>>    [46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>>> A  A 18.
>>    [47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>>> A  A 19. [48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>>> A  A 20. [49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>>> A  A 21. [50]http://351c.net/
>>>> A  A 22. [51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>>> A  A 23. [52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>>>
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>>
>>  1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>>  2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>  3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>>  4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>>  5. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
>>  6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>>  7. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>  8. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>  9.
>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
>> 10. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>> 11. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>> 12. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>> 13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>> 14. https://www.facebook.com/edducati 15.
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>> 16. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>> 17. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>> 18. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>> 19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>> 20. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>> 21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>> 22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>> 23. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>> 24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>> 25. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>> 26. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>> 27. http://351c.net/
>> 28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>> 29. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>> 30. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>> 31. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>> 32.
>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276
>> ?ref=
>> hl
>> 33. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>> 34. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>> 35. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>> 36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>> 37. https://www.facebook.com/edducati 38.
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>> 39. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>> 40. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>> 41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>> 42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>> 43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>> 44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>> 45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>> 46. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>> 47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>> 48. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>> 49. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>> 50. http://351c.net/
>> 51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>> 52. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>> 53. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 54. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 55. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 56. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 19:17:43 -0800
From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
Message-ID: <56B01FD7.2000607 at asajay.com>
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Don't get me wrong, I think Ed's done a great job of getting POCA into
the facebook generation; I just think there is a limit here and huge
potential for diminishing returns.  By recommending everybody have one
and each Chapter have one, I think it dilutes things, but then again,
I'm an Introvert by nature and don't think facebook is actually a good
thing at all.

How many kids have committed suicide because they were bullied on facebook?
How many kids have lost jobs because of posts where they should have
kept their mouth shut, or a photo they should never got themselves into
a position to have taken.
How many people have lost marriages for similar reasons?
How many of you have heard about the Dad, who used to look at porn
occasionally until he stumbled on porn of his -daughter- one day?
(sorry, that in itself doesn't have a huge connection to facebook).

facebook like other things needs to be done in moderation; just a little
dab will do you.  Too many kids end up relying on it to boost their own
morale and their self-esteem, and then when they do something stupid
they can't take the shaming.  How many adults fall into this problem?

I think too many parents aren't watching what their kids are doing; the
parents are the ones who should boost kids self-esteem and help pick
them up when they've done something stupid.  Too many facebook friends
aren't even acquaintances and yet some kinds rely on their every word to
stay alive.

Sorry for devolving this, but I tend to get a little pissy when people
try to "pressure" me into getting on facebook, or twitter, or
instragram, etc. when I see hardly any purpose.

I've got a facebook page and I typically visit it about once every six
months.  I don't really need it.

Asa  Jay

Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 2/1/2016 5:03 PM, Larry Stock wrote:
> You folks have got to understand that we are an older crowd here. Facebook
> is a younger Demographic that we would reaching out to. As Ed Mendez has
> noted that we also have a twitter account, then there is instagram, for
> another Younger demographic. These are all just younger modes of
> communication just like our old rotary phones used to be, technology just
> keeps marching on. So there are now web pages, Facebook pages, and who
> know what will be next. If we want to appeal to a younger market, we need
> to be available on these newer communication modes. Lets at least give Ed
> credit for putting us out there if some younger folks want to share our
> passion, at least we can be available. We can always mail them a magazine.
> Larry Stock
>
> On 2/1/16, 4:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of jjdetrich at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>>    The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
>>    meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
>>    joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a
>>    new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric
>>    would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
>>    correlation to analyze.
>>    Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
>>    something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
>>    connection.A
>>    So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
>>    entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
>>    Jeff
>>    6559
>>
>>    On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
>>    <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>      There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
>>      scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>>      I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
>>      notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
>>      comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living
>>      inside an Alzheimer's dream!
>>      And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
>>      causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras
>>      on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be
>>      worth millions if that's the case.
>>      In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
>>      posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a
>>      photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
>>      due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>>      And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
>>      any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed
>>      up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
>>      Julian
>>      ________________________________________
>>      From: DeTomaso<[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>  on behalf of Ed Mendez
>>      <[3]edducati at mac.com>
>>      Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
>>      To: Charles McCall
>>      Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
>>      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>>      I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
>>      I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>>      Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
>>      hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts
>>      daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
>>      several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
>>      page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
>>      limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
>>      ever pages you want to.
>>      I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
>>      Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
>>      recognition to our cars and has increased value.
>>      It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck
>>      I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
>>      Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
>>      The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already
>>      and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page,
>>      this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and
>>      get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
>>      chapters)
>>      So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
>>      pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try
>>      not to cross post so much. ;-)
>>      Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that
>>      love this car.
>>      We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
>>      @pocausa
>>      Ed
>>      Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>      >  On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
>>      <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>      >
>>      >  Ed,
>>      >  Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
>>      communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
>>      coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
>>      fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make
>>      sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen
>>      pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
>>      half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
>>      only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
>>      >
>>      >  It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people would
>>      belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
>>      all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
>>      into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
>>      >
>>      >  What do you think?
>>      >
>>      >>  On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez<[6]edducati at mac.com>
>>      wrote:
>>      >>A  A  Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for
>>      every chapter
>>      >>A  A  of POCA.
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you
>>      don't
>>      >>A  A  already have one, because your missing out on some really
>>      good Pantera
>>      >>A  A  stuff...
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  I have made all these pages so far:
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  POCA Main FB page
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A
>>      [1][7]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  SDP FB Page
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [2][8]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A
>>      [3][9]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
>>      626227
>>      >>A  A  6?ref=hl
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  AZ Panteras
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [4][10]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [5][11]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  POCA Main Group Page
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A
>>      [6][12]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  POCA Fun Rally Page
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [7][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  and here is my personal page:
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [8][14]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Other pages:
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Foothill Panteras - Secret group
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [9][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Panteras Northwest
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [10][16]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  NY Panteras
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [11][17]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Jersey Panteras
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [12][18]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  DeTomaso Pantera USA
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [14][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Strada Pantera
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  DeTomaso Friends
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [16][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  DeTomaso Registry
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A
>>      [17][23]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  DeTomaso Club of France
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A
>>      [18][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  DeTomaso Owners of Australia
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [19][25]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our
>>      Japanese
>>      >>A  A  counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [20][26]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  And many many more.
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
>>      There are
>>      >>A  A  over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related
>>      sites now.
>>      >>A  A  Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead
>>      of the
>>      >>A  A  forums and websites. TRUE.
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Like this one:
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you ever
>>      wanted to know
>>      >>A  A  and didn't know about the 351C!
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access
>>      to all of
>>      >>A  A  this great stuff!!
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  This is the future of our great club!
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
>>      Rally in San
>>      >>A  A  Diego.
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Enjoy!
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [23][29]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Ed Mendez
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>      >>
>>      >>  References
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  1.
>>      [30]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>      >>A  A  2. [31]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>      >>A  A  3.
>>      [32]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
>>      62276?ref=hl
>>      >>A  A  4. [33]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>      >>A  A  5. [34]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>      >>A  A  6.
>>      [35]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>      >>A  A  7. [36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>      >>A  A  8. [37]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>      >>A  A  9. [38]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>      >>A  A 10. [39]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>      >>A  A 11. panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>      >>A  A 12. [41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>      >>A  A 13. [42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>      >>A  A 14. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>      >>A  A 15. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>      >>A  A 16. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>      >>A  A 17.
>>      [46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>      >>A  A 18.
>>      [47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>      >>A  A 19. [48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>      >>A  A 20. [49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>      >>A  A 21. [50]http://351c.net/
>>      >>A  A 22. [51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>      >>A  A 23. [52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>      >>
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>>    2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>    3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>>    4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>>    5. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
>>    6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>>    7. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>    8. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>    9. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
>>   10. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>   11. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>   12. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>   13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>   14. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>   15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>   16. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>   17. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>   18. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>   19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>   20. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>   21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>   22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>   23. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>   24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>   25. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>   26. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>   27. http://351c.net/
>>   28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>   29. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>   30. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>   31. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>   32.
>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=
>> hl
>>   33. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>   34. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>   35. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>   36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>   37. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>   38. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>   39. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>   40. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>   41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>   42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>   43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>   44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>   45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>   46. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>   47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>   48. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>   49. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>   50. http://351c.net/
>>   51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>   52. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>   53. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>   54. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>   55. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>   56. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 22:55:35 -0500
From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
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Ed is doing a super job, we are lucky to have him and his role will be
expanding soon to include website features.
In that most of the new buyers of our cars that are paying 70K -240K are
not "old" guys but younger and middle aged guys, they are the future of
POCA and that includes the way they communicate and their 10 second
attention span.
We must embrace all these communication methods as well as preserve the
work product of the last 40 years of newsletters, Profiles and even Pantera
International's efforts.
They are combined, our version of the Magna Carta, US  Constitution and
Gettysburg Address.
Sadly, many of the old guys will leave the fold for health reasons or
ultimate non-health reasons. We are already behind in preparations to meet
the expectations of these more affluent collectors, we must catch up.
Moreover, with 27% of the newest demographic "millenials" not even getting
a driver's license by age 25 ( bunch of p#@$&#), we have to compete for the
few that were raised right with an appreciation for fine autos and
motorsports.

Let's not take the BS attitude of some who seem to want to let POCA die
when they do, that would be a far greater loss, there is too much knowledge
and expertise that must be saved.

Remember, we are simply caretakers of these cars.
I go to car shows and concours and while I love looking at the cars, I wish
they could talk, can you imagine the stories a Model J Duesenberg or a 810
Cord could tell?

Michael Shortt
On Feb 1, 2016 10:18 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton" <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:

> Don't get me wrong, I think Ed's done a great job of getting POCA into the
> facebook generation; I just think there is a limit here and huge potential
> for diminishing returns.  By recommending everybody have one and each
> Chapter have one, I think it dilutes things, but then again, I'm an
> Introvert by nature and don't think facebook is actually a good thing at
> all.
>
> How many kids have committed suicide because they were bullied on facebook?
> How many kids have lost jobs because of posts where they should have kept
> their mouth shut, or a photo they should never got themselves into a
> position to have taken.
> How many people have lost marriages for similar reasons?
> How many of you have heard about the Dad, who used to look at porn
> occasionally until he stumbled on porn of his -daughter- one day?  (sorry,
> that in itself doesn't have a huge connection to facebook).
>
> facebook like other things needs to be done in moderation; just a little
> dab will do you.  Too many kids end up relying on it to boost their own
> morale and their self-esteem, and then when they do something stupid they
> can't take the shaming.  How many adults fall into this problem?
>
> I think too many parents aren't watching what their kids are doing; the
> parents are the ones who should boost kids self-esteem and help pick them
> up when they've done something stupid.  Too many facebook friends aren't
> even acquaintances and yet some kinds rely on their every word to stay
> alive.
>
> Sorry for devolving this, but I tend to get a little pissy when people try
> to "pressure" me into getting on facebook, or twitter, or instragram, etc.
> when I see hardly any purpose.
>
> I've got a facebook page and I typically visit it about once every six
> months.  I don't really need it.
>
> Asa  Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> &  Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
> On 2/1/2016 5:03 PM, Larry Stock wrote:
>
>> You folks have got to understand that we are an older crowd here. Facebook
>> is a younger Demographic that we would reaching out to. As Ed Mendez has
>> noted that we also have a twitter account, then there is instagram, for
>> another Younger demographic. These are all just younger modes of
>> communication just like our old rotary phones used to be, technology just
>> keeps marching on. So there are now web pages, Facebook pages, and who
>> know what will be next. If we want to appeal to a younger market, we need
>> to be available on these newer communication modes. Lets at least give Ed
>> credit for putting us out there if some younger folks want to share our
>> passion, at least we can be available. We can always mail them a magazine.
>> Larry Stock
>>
>> On 2/1/16, 4:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
>> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of jjdetrich at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>    The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
>>>    meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
>>>    joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a
>>>    new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric
>>>    would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
>>>    correlation to analyze.
>>>    Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
>>>    something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
>>>    connection.A
>>>    So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
>>>    entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
>>>    Jeff
>>>    6559
>>>
>>>    On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
>>>    <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>      There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
>>>      scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>>>      I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
>>>      notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
>>>      comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living
>>>      inside an Alzheimer's dream!
>>>      And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
>>>      causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras
>>>      on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be
>>>      worth millions if that's the case.
>>>      In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
>>>      posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a
>>>      photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
>>>      due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>>>      And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
>>>      any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed
>>>      up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
>>>      Julian
>>>      ________________________________________
>>>      From: DeTomaso<[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>  on behalf of Ed
>>> Mendez
>>>      <[3]edducati at mac.com>
>>>      Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
>>>      To: Charles McCall
>>>      Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
>>>      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>>>      I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
>>>      I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>>>      Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
>>>      hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts
>>>      daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
>>>      several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
>>>      page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
>>>      limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
>>>      ever pages you want to.
>>>      I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
>>>      Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
>>>      recognition to our cars and has increased value.
>>>      It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck
>>>      I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
>>>      Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
>>>      The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already
>>>      and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page,
>>>      this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and
>>>      get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
>>>      chapters)
>>>      So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
>>>      pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try
>>>      not to cross post so much. ;-)
>>>      Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that
>>>      love this car.
>>>      We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
>>>      @pocausa
>>>      Ed
>>>      Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>>      >  On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
>>>      <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>      >
>>>      >  Ed,
>>>      >  Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
>>>      communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
>>>      coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
>>>      fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make
>>>      sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen
>>>      pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
>>>      half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
>>>      only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
>>>      >
>>>      >  It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people would
>>>      belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
>>>      all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
>>>      into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
>>>      >
>>>      >  What do you think?
>>>      >
>>>      >>  On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez<[6]edducati at mac.com>
>>>      wrote:
>>>      >>A  A  Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for
>>>      every chapter
>>>      >>A  A  of POCA.
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you
>>>      don't
>>>      >>A  A  already have one, because your missing out on some really
>>>      good Pantera
>>>      >>A  A  stuff...
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  I have made all these pages so far:
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  POCA Main FB page
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A
>>>      [1][7]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  SDP FB Page
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  [2][8]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A
>>>      [3][9]
>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
>>>      626227
>>>      >>A  A  6?ref=hl
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  AZ Panteras
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  [4][10]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  [5][11]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  POCA Main Group Page
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A
>>>      [6][12]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  POCA Fun Rally Page
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  [7][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  and here is my personal page:
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  [8][14]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  Other pages:
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  Foothill Panteras - Secret group
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  [9][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  Panteras Northwest
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  [10][16]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  NY Panteras
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  [11][17]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  Jersey Panteras
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  [12][18]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  DeTomaso Pantera USA
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  [13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  [14][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  Strada Pantera
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  [15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  DeTomaso Friends
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  [16][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  DeTomaso Registry
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A
>>>      [17][23]
>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  DeTomaso Club of France
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A
>>>      [18][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  DeTomaso Owners of Australia
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  [19][25]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our
>>>      Japanese
>>>      >>A  A  counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  [20][26]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  And many many more.
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
>>>      There are
>>>      >>A  A  over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related
>>>      sites now.
>>>      >>A  A  Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead
>>>      of the
>>>      >>A  A  forums and websites. TRUE.
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  Like this one:
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you ever
>>>      wanted to know
>>>      >>A  A  and didn't know about the 351C!
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  [22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access
>>>      to all of
>>>      >>A  A  this great stuff!!
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  This is the future of our great club!
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
>>>      Rally in San
>>>      >>A  A  Diego.
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  Enjoy!
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  [23][29]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  Ed Mendez
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>>      >>
>>>      >>  References
>>>      >>
>>>      >>A  A  1.
>>>      [30]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>>      >>A  A  2. [31]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>>      >>A  A  3.
>>>      [32]
>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
>>>      62276?ref=hl
>>>      >>A  A  4. [33]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>>      >>A  A  5. [34]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>>      >>A  A  6.
>>>      [35]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>>      >>A  A  7. [36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>>      >>A  A  8. [37]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>>      >>A  A  9. [38]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>>      >>A  A 10. [39]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>>      >>A  A 11. panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>>      >>A  A 12. [41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>>      >>A  A 13. [42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>>      >>A  A 14. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>>      >>A  A 15. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>>      >>A  A 16. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>>      >>A  A 17.
>>>      [46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>>      >>A  A 18.
>>>      [47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>>      >>A  A 19. [48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>>      >>A  A 20. [49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>>      >>A  A 21. [50]http://351c.net/
>>>      >>A  A 22. [51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>>      >>A  A 23. [52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>>      >>
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>>>    1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>>>    2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>>    3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>>>    4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>>>    5. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
>>>    6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>>>    7. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>>    8. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>>    9.
>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
>>>   10. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>>   11. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>>   12. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>>   13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>>   14. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>>   15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>>   16. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>>   17. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>>   18. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>>   19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>>   20. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>>   21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>>   22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>>   23. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>>   24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>>   25. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>>   26. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>>   27. http://351c.net/
>>>   28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>>   29. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>>   30. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>>   31. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>>   32.
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=
>>> hl
>>>   33. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>>   34. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>>   35. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>>   36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>>   37. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>>   38. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>>   39. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>>   40. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>>   41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>>   42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>>   43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>>   44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>>   45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>>   46. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>>   47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>>   48. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>>   49. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>>   50. http://351c.net/
>>>   51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>>   52. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>>   53. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>   54. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>>   55. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>>   56. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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   Ed is doing a super job, we are lucky to have him and his role will be
   expanding soon to include website features.
   In that most of the new buyers of our cars that are paying 70K -240K
   are not "old" guys but younger and middle aged guys, they are the
   future of POCA and that includes the way they communicate and their 10
   second attention span.
   We must embrace all these communication methods as well as preserve the
   work product of the last 40 years of newsletters, Profiles and even
   Pantera International's efforts.
   They are combined, our version of the Magna Carta, USA  Constitution
   and Gettysburg Address.
   Sadly, many of the old guys will leave the fold for health reasons or
   ultimate non-health reasons. We are already behind in preparations to
   meet the expectations of these more affluent collectors, we must catch
   up.
   Moreover, with 27% of the newest demographic "millenials" not even
   getting a driver's license by age 25 ( bunch of p#@$&#), we have to
   compete for the few that were raised right with an appreciation for
   fine autos and motorsports.

   Let's not take the BS attitude of some who seem to want to let POCA die
   when they do, that would be a far greater loss, there is too much
   knowledge and expertise that must be saved.

   Remember, we are simply caretakers of these cars.
   I go to car shows and concours and while I love looking at the cars, I
   wish they could talk, can you imagine the stories a Model J Duesenberg
   or a 810 Cord could tell?

   Michael Shortt

   On Feb 1, 2016 10:18 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton" <[1]asajay at asajay.com>
   wrote:

     Don't get me wrong, I think Ed's done a great job of getting POCA
     into the facebook generation; I just think there is a limit here and
     huge potential for diminishing returns.A  By recommending everybody
     have one and each Chapter have one, I think it dilutes things, but
     then again, I'm an Introvert by nature and don't think facebook is
     actually a good thing at all.
     How many kids have committed suicide because they were bullied on
     facebook?
     How many kids have lost jobs because of posts where they should have
     kept their mouth shut, or a photo they should never got themselves
     into a position to have taken.
     How many people have lost marriages for similar reasons?
     How many of you have heard about the Dad, who used to look at porn
     occasionally until he stumbled on porn of his -daughter- one day?A
     (sorry, that in itself doesn't have a huge connection to facebook).
     facebook like other things needs to be done in moderation; just a
     little dab will do you.A  Too many kids end up relying on it to
     boost their own morale and their self-esteem, and then when they do
     something stupid they can't take the shaming.A  How many adults fall
     into this problem?
     I think too many parents aren't watching what their kids are doing;
     the parents are the ones who should boost kids self-esteem and help
     pick them up when they've done something stupid.A  Too many facebook
     friends aren't even acquaintances and yet some kinds rely on their
     every word to stay alive.
     Sorry for devolving this, but I tend to get a little pissy when
     people try to "pressure" me into getting on facebook, or twitter, or
     instragram, etc. when I see hardly any purpose.
     I've got a facebook page and I typically visit it about once every
     six months.A  I don't really need it.
     AsaA  Jay
     Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
     &A  Shelley Marie
     Spokane, WA
     ******************************
     [2]http://www.racingagainstautism.com
     [3]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
     [4]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
     On 2/1/2016 5:03 PM, Larry Stock wrote:

     You folks have got to understand that we are an older crowd here.
     Facebook
     is a younger Demographic that we would reaching out to. As Ed Mendez
     has
     noted that we also have a twitter account, then there is instagram,
     for
     another Younger demographic. These are all just younger modes of
     communication just like our old rotary phones used to be, technology
     just
     keeps marching on. So there are now web pages, Facebook pages, and
     who
     know what will be next. If we want to appeal to a younger market, we
     need
     to be available on these newer communication modes. Lets at least
     give Ed
     credit for putting us out there if some younger folks want to share
     our
     passion, at least we can be available. We can always mail them a
     magazine.
     Larry Stock
     On 2/1/16, 4:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
     <[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of [6]jjdetrich at gmail.com>A
     wrote:

     A  A The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A
     simple and
     A  A meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why
     they
     A  A joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook
     gets a
     A  A new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second
     metric
     A  A would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
     A  A correlation to analyze.
     A  A Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start
     to sell
     A  A something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
     A  A connection.A
     A  A So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
     A  A entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
     A  A Jeff
     A  A 6559
     A  A On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
     A  A <[1][7]julian_kift at hotmail.com>A  wrote:
     A  A  A There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of
     Facebook a) be
     A  A  A scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
     A  A  A I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get
     3
     A  A  A notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then
     someone
     A  A  A comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's
     like living
     A  A  A inside an Alzheimer's dream!
     A  A  A And there we go with statistics again; that assumption
     correlation =
     A  A  A causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of
     Panteras
     A  A  A on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog
     would be
     A  A  A worth millions if that's the case.
     A  A  A In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through
     other FB
     A  A  A posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a
     caption on a
     A  A  A photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it
     without any
     A  A  A due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true
     right!
     A  A  A And now there's the targeted advertising, search for
     something on
     A  A  A any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm
     already fed
     A  A  A up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
     A  A  A Julian
     A  A  A ________________________________________
     A  A  A From: DeTomaso<[2][8]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>A  on behalf
     of Ed Mendez
     A  A  A <[3][9]edducati at mac.com>
     A  A  A Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
     A  A  A To: Charles McCall
     A  A  A Cc: [4][10]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego
     Panteras
     A  A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
     A  A  A I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my
     fault. :-)
     A  A  A I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been
     told.
     A  A  A Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a
     lot of
     A  A  A hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s
     of posts
     A  A  A daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done
     across
     A  A  A several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on
     your own
     A  A  A page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts.
     You can
     A  A  A limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to
     which
     A  A  A ever pages you want to.
     A  A  A I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB
     with
     A  A  A Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
     A  A  A recognition to our cars and has increased value.
     A  A  A It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts
     together. Heck
     A  A  A I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes
     of
     A  A  A Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
     A  A  A The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't
     already
     A  A  A and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own
     FB page,
     A  A  A this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line -
     grow and
     A  A  A get people interested. All the pages are there already (for
     the
     A  A  A chapters)
     A  A  A So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the
     groups and
     A  A  A pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good,
     I'll try
     A  A  A not to cross post so much. ;-)
     A  A  A Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite
     all that
     A  A  A love this car.
     A  A  A We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
     A  A  A @pocausa
     A  A  A Ed
     A  A  A Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
     A  A  A >A  On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
     A  A  A <[5][11]charlesmccall at gmail.com>A  wrote:
     A  A  A >
     A  A  A >A  Ed,
     A  A  A >A  Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative
     for
     A  A  A communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
     A  A  A coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that
     have a
     A  A  A fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want
     to make
     A  A  A sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a
     half-dozen
     A  A  A pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same
     message a
     A  A  A half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and
     it will
     A  A  A only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera
     pages.
     A  A  A >
     A  A  A >A  It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most
     people would
     A  A  A belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to
     them
     A  A  A all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso
     world
     A  A  A into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
     A  A  A >
     A  A  A >A  What do you think?
     A  A  A >
     A  A  A >>A  On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed
     Mendez<[6][12]edducati at mac.com>
     A  A  A wrote:
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook
     liaison for
     A  A  A every chapter
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  of POCA.
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook
     account if you
     A  A  A don't
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  already have one, because your missing out on some
     really
     A  A  A good Pantera
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  stuff...
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  I have made all these pages so far:
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  POCA Main FB page
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  A
     A  A
     A [1][7][13]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=
     hl
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  SDP FB Page
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA
     [2][8][14]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  A
     A  A
     A [3][9][15]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57
     170650
     A  A  A 626227
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  6?ref=hl
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  AZ Panteras
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  [4][10][16]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  [5][11][17]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  POCA Main Group Page
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  A
     A  A
     A [6][12][18]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmer
     ica/
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  POCA Fun Rally Page
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA
     [7][13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  and here is my personal page:
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  [8][14][20]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  I've also made a Facebook page for each and every
     chapter.
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  Other pages:
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  Foothill Panteras - Secret group
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA
     [9][15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  Panteras Northwest
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA
     [10][16][22]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  NY Panteras
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA
     [11][17][23]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  Jersey Panteras
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA
     [12][18][24]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  DeTomaso Pantera USA
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA
     [13][19][25]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA
     [14][20][26]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  Strada Pantera
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA
     [15][21][27]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  DeTomaso Friends
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA
     [16][22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  DeTomaso Registry
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  A
     A  A
     A [17][23][29]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222
     512926
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  DeTomaso Club of France
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  A
     A  A
     A [18][24][30]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/1101527
     42239
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  DeTomaso Owners of Australia
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA
     [19][25][31]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see
     what our
     A  A  A Japanese
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA
     [20][26][32]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  And many many more.
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  A lot of these popped up since I started ours,
     some before.
     A  A  A There are
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp,
     etc related
     A  A  A sites now.
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  Many people are now using Facebook to ask
     questions instead
     A  A  A of the
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  forums and websites. TRUE.
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  Like this one:
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  Clevelands Forever - [21][27][33]351c.net -
     anything you ever
     A  A  A wanted to know
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  and didn't know about the 351C!
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA
     [22][28][34]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't
     have access
     A  A  A to all of
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  this great stuff!!
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  This is the future of our great club!
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  In the meantime please enjoy this video of the
     POCA Fun
     A  A  A Rally in San
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  Diego.
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  Enjoy!
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  [23][29][35]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  Ed Mendez
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>A  References
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  1.
     A  A
     A [30][36]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  2.
     [31][37]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  3.
     A  A
     A [32][38]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717
     065062
     A  A  A 62276?ref=hl
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  4. [33][39]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  5. [34][40]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  6.
     A  A
     A [35][41]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica
     /
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  7.
     [36][42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  8. [37][43]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
     A  A  A >>AA  AA  9.
     [38][44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
     A  A  A >>AA  A 10.
     [39][45]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
     A  A  A >>AA  A 11.
     panterashttps://[40][46]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
     A  A  A >>AA  A 12. [41][47]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
     A  A  A >>AA  A 13.
     [42][48]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
     A  A  A >>AA  A 14.
     [43][49]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
     A  A  A >>AA  A 15.
     [44][50]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
     A  A  A >>AA  A 16.
     [45][51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
     A  A  A >>AA  A 17.
     A  A
     A [46][52]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/432225129
     26
     A  A  A >>AA  A 18.
     A  A
     A [47][53]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/11015274223
     9
     A  A  A >>AA  A 19.
     [48][54]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
     A  A  A >>AA  A 20.
     [49][55]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
     A  A  A >>AA  A 21. [50][56]http://351c.net/
     A  A  A >>AA  A 22.
     [51][57]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
     A  A  A >>AA  A 23. [52][58]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>A  _______________________________________________
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>A  Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
     A  A  A >>A  Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
     A  A  A >>A  DeTomaso mailing list
     A  A  A >>A  [53][59]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  A  A >>A
     [54][60]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 04:37:32 +0000 (UTC)
From: Brian Hill <mazdastuff at yahoo.com>
To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>,      Jeff Detrich
        <jjdetrich at gmail.com>,  Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, Ed
        Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>,    Space City Panteras
        <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com>,       San Diego Panteras
        <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
Message-ID:
        <1179864267.240851.1454387852949.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I agree, Ed is on the right path.? No one here is saying anything about shutting down the forum or email groups.? My main goal is boosting membership.? I spoke to my wife this evening who is a FB user and it has advantages for organizations like ours in being able to reach new people.?

Everything is searchable it seems and the ability to buy advertisements that can be directed to Pantera enthusiasts could help boost the membership.? I asked her about postings, multiple postings, controls, etc and it all seems to fall into making sure your settings are what you need them to be.? And being aware of what controls you have available to you.
My thought was if we send stuff to the POCA FB...i.e. here is a tech session going on...wine tour or whatever it will show people how active the club is around the country and world for that matter.?

Ed, I do not know the first thing about FB, my wife will have to show me but I will give it a try if it helps boost membership.? If you have one set up for Space City send the info my way.? I will give it a shot.Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat and whatever else can wait though.

Regards,Brian HillSpace City Prez






      From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
 To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>; Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>; Space City Panteras <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com>; San Diego Panteras <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>
 Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 7:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook

You folks have got to understand that we are an older crowd here. Facebook
is a younger Demographic that we would reaching out to. As Ed Mendez has
noted that we also have a twitter account, then there is instagram, for
another Younger demographic. These are all just younger modes of
communication just like our old rotary phones used to be, technology just
keeps marching on. So there are now web pages, Facebook pages, and who
know what will be next. If we want to appeal to a younger market, we need
to be available on these newer communication modes. Lets at least give Ed
credit for putting us out there if some younger folks want to share our
passion, at least we can be available. We can always mail them a magazine.
Larry Stock

On 2/1/16, 4:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
<detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:

>? The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
>? meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
>? joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a
>? new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric
>? would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
>? correlation to analyze.
>? Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
>? something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
>? connection.A
>? So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
>? entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
>? Jeff
>? 6559
>
>? On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
>? <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>? ? There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
>? ? scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>? ? I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
>? ? notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
>? ? comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living
>? ? inside an Alzheimer's dream!
>? ? And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
>? ? causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras
>? ? on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be
>? ? worth millions if that's the case.
>? ? In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
>? ? posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a
>? ? photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
>? ? due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>? ? And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
>? ? any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed
>? ? up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
>? ? Julian
>? ? ________________________________________
>? ? From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez
>? ? <[3]edducati at mac.com>
>? ? Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
>? ? To: Charles McCall
>? ? Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
>? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>? ? I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
>? ? I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>? ? Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
>? ? hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts
>? ? daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
>? ? several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
>? ? page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
>? ? limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
>? ? ever pages you want to.
>? ? I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
>? ? Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
>? ? recognition to our cars and has increased value.
>? ? It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck
>? ? I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
>? ? Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
>? ? The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already
>? ? and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page,
>? ? this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and
>? ? get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
>? ? chapters)
>? ? So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
>? ? pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try
>? ? not to cross post so much. ;-)
>? ? Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that
>? ? love this car.
>? ? We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
>? ? @pocausa
>? ? Ed
>? ? Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>? ? > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
>? ? <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>? ? >
>? ? > Ed,
>? ? > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
>? ? communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
>? ? coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
>? ? fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make
>? ? sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen
>? ? pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
>? ? half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
>? ? only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
>? ? >
>? ? > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people would
>? ? belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
>? ? all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
>? ? into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
>? ? >
>? ? > What do you think?
>? ? >
>? ? >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <[6]edducati at mac.com>
>? ? wrote:
>? ? >>A? A? Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for
>? ? every chapter
>? ? >>A? A? of POCA.
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you
>? ? don't
>? ? >>A? A? already have one, because your missing out on some really
>? ? good Pantera
>? ? >>A? A? stuff...
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? I have made all these pages so far:
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? POCA Main FB page
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A
>? ? [1][7]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? SDP FB Page
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [2][8]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A
>? ? [3][9]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
>? ? 626227
>? ? >>A? A? 6?ref=hl
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? AZ Panteras
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [4][10]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [5][11]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? POCA Main Group Page
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A
>? ? [6][12]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? POCA Fun Rally Page
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [7][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? and here is my personal page:
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [8][14]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Other pages:
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Foothill Panteras - Secret group
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [9][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Panteras Northwest
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [10][16]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? NY Panteras
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [11][17]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Jersey Panteras
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [12][18]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? DeTomaso Pantera USA
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [14][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Strada Pantera
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? DeTomaso Friends
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [16][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? DeTomaso Registry
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A
>? ? [17][23]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? DeTomaso Club of France
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A
>? ? [18][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? DeTomaso Owners of Australia
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [19][25]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our
>? ? Japanese
>? ? >>A? A? counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [20][26]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? And many many more.
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
>? ? There are
>? ? >>A? A? over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related
>? ? sites now.
>? ? >>A? A? Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead
>? ? of the
>? ? >>A? A? forums and websites. TRUE.
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Like this one:
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you ever
>? ? wanted to know
>? ? >>A? A? and didn't know about the 351C!
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access
>? ? to all of
>? ? >>A? A? this great stuff!!
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? This is the future of our great club!
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
>? ? Rally in San
>? ? >>A? A? Diego.
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Enjoy!
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? [23][29]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Ed Mendez
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>? ? >>
>? ? >> References
>? ? >>
>? ? >>A? A? 1.
>? ? [30]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>? ? >>A? A? 2. [31]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>? ? >>A? A? 3.
>? ? [32]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
>? ? 62276?ref=hl
>? ? >>A? A? 4. [33]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>? ? >>A? A? 5. [34]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>? ? >>A? A? 6.
>? ? [35]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>? ? >>A? A? 7. [36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>? ? >>A? A? 8. [37]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>? ? >>A? A? 9. [38]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>? ? >>A? A 10. [39]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>? ? >>A? A 11. panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>? ? >>A? A 12. [41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>? ? >>A? A 13. [42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>? ? >>A? A 14. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>? ? >>A? A 15. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>? ? >>A? A 16. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>? ? >>A? A 17.
>? ? [46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>? ? >>A? A 18.
>? ? [47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>? ? >>A? A 19. [48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>? ? >>A? A 20. [49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>? ? >>A? A 21. [50]http://351c.net/
>? ? >>A? A 22. [51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>? ? >>A? A 23. [52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>? ? >>
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>? 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>? 3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>? 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>? 5. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
>? 6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>? 7. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>? 8. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>? 9. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
>? 10. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>? 11. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>? 12. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>? 13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>? 14. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>? 15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>? 16. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>? 17. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>? 18. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>? 19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>? 20. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>? 21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>? 22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>? 23. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>? 24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>? 25. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>? 26. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>? 27. http://351c.net/
>? 28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>? 29. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>? 30. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>? 31. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>? 32.
>https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=
>hl
>? 33. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>? 34. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>? 35. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>? 36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>? 37. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>? 38. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>? 39. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>? 40. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>? 41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>? 42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>? 43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>? 44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>? 45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>? 46. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>? 47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>? 48. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>? 49. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>? 50. http://351c.net/
>? 51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>? 52. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>? 53. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>? 54. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>? 55. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>? 56. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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   I agree, Ed is on the right path.  No one here is saying anything about
   shutting down the forum or email groups.  My main goal is boosting
   membership.  I spoke to my wife this evening who is a FB user and it
   has advantages for organizations like ours in being able to reach new
   people.
   Everything is searchable it seems and the ability to buy advertisements
   that can be directed to Pantera enthusiasts could help boost the
   membership.  I asked her about postings, multiple postings, controls,
   etc and it all seems to fall into making sure your settings are what
   you need them to be.  And being aware of what controls you have
   available to you.
   My thought was if we send stuff to the POCA FB...i.e. here is a tech
   session going on...wine tour or whatever it will show people how active
   the club is around the country and world for that matter.
   Ed, I do not know the first thing about FB, my wife will have to show
   me but I will give it a try if it helps boost membership.  If you have
   one set up for Space City send the info my way.  I will give it a shot.
   Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat and whatever else can wait though.
   Regards,
   Brian Hill
   Space City Prez
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
   To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>; Julian Kift
   <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>; Space City Panteras
   <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com>; San Diego Panteras
   <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>
   Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 7:03 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
   You folks have got to understand that we are an older crowd here.
   Facebook
   is a younger Demographic that we would reaching out to. As Ed Mendez
   has
   noted that we also have a twitter account, then there is instagram, for
   another Younger demographic. These are all just younger modes of
   communication just like our old rotary phones used to be, technology
   just
   keeps marching on. So there are now web pages, Facebook pages, and who
   know what will be next. If we want to appeal to a younger market, we
   need
   to be available on these newer communication modes. Lets at least give
   Ed
   credit for putting us out there if some younger folks want to share our
   passion, at least we can be available. We can always mail them a
   magazine.
   Larry Stock
   On 2/1/16, 4:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
   <[1]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of [2]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   >  The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple
   and
   >  meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
   >  joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets
   a
   >  new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric
   >  would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
   >  correlation to analyze.
   >  Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to
   sell
   >  something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
   >  connection.A
   >  So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
   >  entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
   >  Jeff
   >  6559
   >
   >  On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
   >  <[1][3]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
   >
   >    There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a)
   be
   >    scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
   >    I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
   >    notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then
   someone
   >    comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like
   living
   >    inside an Alzheimer's dream!
   >    And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation
   =
   >    causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of
   Panteras
   >    on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would
   be
   >    worth millions if that's the case.
   >    In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
   >    posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on
   a
   >    photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
   >    due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
   >    And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
   >    any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already
   fed
   >    up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
   >    Julian
   >    ________________________________________
   >    From: DeTomaso <[2][4]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed
   Mendez
   >    <[3][5]edducati at mac.com>
   >    Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
   >    To: Charles McCall
   >    Cc: [4][6]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego
   Panteras
   >    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
   >    I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
   >    I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
   >    Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
   >    hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of
   posts
   >    daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
   >    several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
   >    page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
   >    limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
   >    ever pages you want to.
   >    I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
   >    Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
   >    recognition to our cars and has increased value.
   >    It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together.
   Heck
   >    I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
   >    Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
   >    The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't
   already
   >    and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB
   page,
   >    this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow
   and
   >    get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
   >    chapters)
   >    So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
   >    pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll
   try
   >    not to cross post so much. ;-)
   >    Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all
   that
   >    love this car.
   >    We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
   >    @pocausa
   >    Ed
   >    Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
   >    > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
   >    <[5][7]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
   >    >
   >    > Ed,
   >    > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
   >    communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
   >    coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
   >    fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to
   make
   >    sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a
   half-dozen
   >    pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
   >    half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
   >    only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
   >    >
   >    > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people
   would
   >    belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
   >    all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
   >    into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
   >    >
   >    > What do you think?
   >    >
   >    >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez
   <[6][8]edducati at mac.com>
   >    wrote:
   >    >>A  A  Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for
   >    every chapter
   >    >>A  A  of POCA.
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if
   you
   >    don't
   >    >>A  A  already have one, because your missing out on some really
   >    good Pantera
   >    >>A  A  stuff...
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  I have made all these pages so far:
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  POCA Main FB page
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A
   >
   [1][7][9]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  SDP FB Page
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  [2][8][10]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A
   >
   [3][9][11]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065
   0
   >    626227
   >    >>A  A  6?ref=hl
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  AZ Panteras
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  [4][10][12]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  [5][11][13]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  POCA Main Group Page
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A
   >
   [6][12][14]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  POCA Fun Rally Page
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  [7][13][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  and here is my personal page:
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  [8][14][16]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  Other pages:
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  Foothill Panteras - Secret group
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A
   [9][15][17]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  Panteras Northwest
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  [10][16][18]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  NY Panteras
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  [11][17][19]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  Jersey Panteras
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  [12][18][20]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  DeTomaso Pantera USA
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A
   [13][19][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A
   [14][20][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  Strada Pantera
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A
   [15][21][23]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  DeTomaso Friends
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A
   [16][22][24]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  DeTomaso Registry
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A
   >
   [17][23][25]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/4322251292
   6
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  DeTomaso Club of France
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A
   >
   [18][24][26]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  DeTomaso Owners of Australia
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  [19][25][27]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what
   our
   >    Japanese
   >    >>A  A  counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  [20][26][28]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  And many many more.
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some
   before.
   >    There are
   >    >>A  A  over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc
   related
   >    sites now.
   >    >>A  A  Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions
   instead
   >    of the
   >    >>A  A  forums and websites. TRUE.
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  Like this one:
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you ever
   >    wanted to know
   >    >>A  A  and didn't know about the 351C!
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  [22][28][29]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have
   access
   >    to all of
   >    >>A  A  this great stuff!!
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  This is the future of our great club!
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
   >    Rally in San
   >    >>A  A  Diego.
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  Enjoy!
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  [23][29][30]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  Ed Mendez
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
   >    >>
   >    >> References
   >    >>
   >    >>A  A  1.
   >    [30][31]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
   >    >>A  A  2.
   [31][32]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
   >    >>A  A  3.
   >
   [32][33]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506
   2
   >    62276?ref=hl
   >    >>A  A  4. [33][34]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
   >    >>A  A  5. [34][35]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
   >    >>A  A  6.
   >
   [35][36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
   >    >>A  A  7. [36][37]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
   >    >>A  A  8. [37][38]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
   >    >>A  A  9.
   [38][39]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
   >    >>A  A 10. [39][40]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
   >    >>A  A 11. panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
   >    >>A  A 12. [41][41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
   >    >>A  A 13.
   [42][42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
   >    >>A  A 14.
   [43][43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
   >    >>A  A 15.
   [44][44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
   >    >>A  A 16.
   [45][45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
   >    >>A  A 17.
   >
   [46][46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
   >    >>A  A 18.
   >
   [47][47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
   >    >>A  A 19. [48][48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
   >    >>A  A 20. [49][49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
   >    >>A  A 21. [50][50]http://351c.net/
   >    >>A  A 22. [51][51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
   >    >>A  A 23. [52][52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
   >    >>
   >    >> _______________________________________________
   >    >>
   >    >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
   >    >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   >    >> DeTomaso mailing list
   >    >> [53][53]DeTomaso at poca.com
   >    >> [54][54]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   >    >>
   >    >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   >    etc.) use the links above.
   >    >
   >    _______________________________________________
   >    Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
   >    Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   >    DeTomaso mailing list
   >    [55][55]DeTomaso at poca.com
   >
   >  [56][56]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   >  To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.)
   >  use the links above.
   >
   >References
   >
   >  1. mailto:[57]julian_kift at hotmail.com
   >  2. mailto:[58]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   >  3. mailto:[59]edducati at mac.com
   >  4. mailto:[60]detomaso at poca.com
   >  5. mailto:[61]charlesmccall at gmail.com
   >  6. mailto:[62]edducati at mac.com
   >  7. [63]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
   >  8. [64]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
   >  9.
   [65]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062622
   7
   >  10. [66]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
   >  11. [67]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
   >  12. [68]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
   >  13. [69]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
   >  14. [70]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
   >  15. [71]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
   >  16. [72]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
   >  17. [73]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
   >  18. [74]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
   >  19. [75]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
   >  20. [76]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
   >  21. [77]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
   >  22. [78]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
   >  23. [79]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
   >  24. [80]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
   >  25. [81]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
   >  26. [82]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
   >  27. [83]http://351c.net/
   >  28. [84]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
   >  29. [85]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
   >  30. [86]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
   >  31. [87]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
   >  32.
   >[88]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262
   276?ref=
   >hl
   >  33. [89]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
   >  34. [90]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
   >  35. [91]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
   >  36. [92]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
   >  37. [93]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
   >  38. [94]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
   >  39. [95]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
   >  40. [96]http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
   >  41. [97]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
   >  42. [98]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
   >  43. [99]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
   >  44. [100]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
   >  45. [101]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
   >  46.
   [102]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
   >  47. [103]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
   >  48. [104]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
   >  49. [105]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
   >  50. [106]http://351c.net/
   >  51. [107]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
   >  52. [108]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
   >  53. mailto:[109]DeTomaso at poca.com
   >  54. [110]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   >  55. mailto:[111]DeTomaso at poca.com
   >  56. [112]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   >_______________________________________________
   >
   >Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
   >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   >DeTomaso mailing list
   >[113]DeTomaso at poca.com
   >[114]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   >
   >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   use
   >the links above.
   _______________________________________________
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   Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
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   [116]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   use the links above.

References

   1. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   2. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
   3. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
   4. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   5. mailto:edducati at mac.com
   6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   7. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
   8. mailto:edducati at mac.com
   9. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
  10. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
  11. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
  12. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
  13. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
  14. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
  15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
  16. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
  17. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
  18. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
  19. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
  20. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
  21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
  22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
  23. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
  24. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
  25. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
  26. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
  27. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
  28. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
  29. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
  30. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
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  32. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
  33. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
  34. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
  35. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
  36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
  37. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
  38. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
  39. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
  40. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
  41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
  42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
  43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
  44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
  45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
  46. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
  47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
  48. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
  49. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
  50. http://351c.net/
  51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
  52. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
  53. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  54. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  55. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  56. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  57. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  58. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
  59. mailto:edducati at mac.com
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  66. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
  67. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
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  71. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
  72. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
  73. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
  74. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
  75. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
  76. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
  77. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
  78. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
  79. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
  80. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
  81. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
  82. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
  83. http://351c.net/
  84. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
  85. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
  86. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
  87. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
  88. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=
  89. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
  90. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
  91. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
  92. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
  93. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
  94. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
  95. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
  96. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
  97. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
  98. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
  99. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
 100. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
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 102. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
 103. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
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 108. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
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 110. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 111. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 112. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 113. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 114. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 115. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 116. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 09:02:37 +0100
From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, Ed Mendez
        <edducati at mac.com>,     "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>,        Space
        City Panteras <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com>,         San Diego Panteras
        <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
Message-ID:
        <CAGtehtfbSCz+EVtS9qYwTSUSAQ5aXPxjn7+jJW_JYKknZxMuww at mail.gmail.com>
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 Remember ? I?m not questioning if there should be a DeTomaso presence on
Facebook. I think there should be, and it is a valid and useful way for
contacting other owners and potential owners. I use it often and see many
of you out there.

What I?m questioning is if there should be dozens and dozens of
totally independent pages on Facebook, which requires multiple posts to
reach everyone, and you either only sign up for only a single page (which
defeats the purpose of having many) or you get the same information a half
dozen times, which is annoying. By having dozens of pages dedicated to the
same subject, information gets diluted, it is harder to find what you are
looking for.

 We would have met Boyd with a single, unified FB page. The younger, social
media savvy folks would be there with a single, unified FB page., or even
with a highly reduced number. But I don't see the advantage to having 20
pages for the same subject, and I do see disadvantages as mentioned. The
same disadvantages that would arise if someone were to implement 20
different DeTomaso e-mail f?rums, something that thankfully hasn't been
proposed. You either subscribe to them all or you miss stuff. It's exactly
the same situation.

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 1:23 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:

> The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
> meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they joined
> and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a new member,
> that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric would be it's
> effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough correlation to analyze.
>
> Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
> something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous connection.
>
> So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is entertaining;
> eventually a nuisance? Your call.
>
> Jeff
> 6559
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
>> scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>>
>> I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
>> notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
>> comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living inside
>> an Alzheimer's dream!
>>
>> And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
>> causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras on FB
>> doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be worth
>> millions if that's the case.
>>
>> In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB posts
>> and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a photo and
>> feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any due diligence,
>> just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>>
>> And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on any
>> site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed up with
>> ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
>>
>> Julian
>> ________________________________________
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez <
>> edducati at mac.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
>> To: Charles McCall
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>>
>> I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-) I'm
>> the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>>
>> Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of hot rod
>> and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts daily but they
>> go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across several Pantera pages
>> only go on your newsfeed and not on your own page. There are settings in FB
>> to allow or disallow posts. You can limit the number. You can also
>> subscribe or unsubscribe to which ever pages you want to.
>>
>> I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with Pantera
>> stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and recognition to our cars
>> and has increased value.
>>
>> It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck I
>> didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of Junika Okada
>> and the awesome work he does over there.
>>
>> The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already and
>> to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page, this has
>> and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and get people
>> interested. All the pages are there already (for the chapters)
>>
>> So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and pages
>> at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try not to cross
>> post so much. ;-)
>>
>> Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that love
>> this car.
>>
>> We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time... @pocausa
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>
>> > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ed,
>> > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
>> communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or coordination on
>> FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a fair amount of activity.
>> If you have a message that you want to make sure that everyone gets, then
>> you need to cross-post on a half-dozen pages. People who subscribe to those
>> pages get the same message a half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It
>> happens now, and it will only get worse if people keep generating new FB
>> Pantera pages.
>> >
>> > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail f?rums. Most people would belong
>> to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them all. I don't see
>> the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world into ever-smaller grounds,
>> but I do see disadvantages.
>> >
>> > What do you think?
>> >
>> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>> >>    Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for every
>> chapter
>> >>    of POCA.
>> >>
>> >>    Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you don't
>> >>    already have one, because your missing out on some really good
>> Pantera
>> >>    stuff...
>> >>
>> >>    I have made all these pages so far:
>> >>
>> >>    POCA Main FB page
>> >>
>> >>    [1]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>> >>
>> >>    SDP FB Page
>> >>
>> >>    [2]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>> >>
>> >>    Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
>> >>
>> >>    [3]
>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
>> >>    6?ref=hl
>> >>
>> >>    AZ Panteras
>> >>
>> >>    [4]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>> >>
>> >>    Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
>> >>
>> >>    [5]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>> >>
>> >>    POCA Main Group Page
>> >>
>> >>    [6]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>> >>
>> >>    POCA Fun Rally Page
>> >>
>> >>    [7]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>> >>
>> >>    and here is my personal page:
>> >>
>> >>    [8]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>> >>
>> >>    I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
>> >>
>> >>    Other pages:
>> >>
>> >>    Foothill Panteras - Secret group
>> >>
>> >>    [9]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>> >>
>> >>    Panteras Northwest
>> >>
>> >>    [10]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>> >>
>> >>    NY Panteras
>> >>
>> >>    [11]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>> >>
>> >>    Jersey Panteras
>> >>
>> >>    [12]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>> >>
>> >>    DeTomaso Pantera USA
>> >>
>> >>    [13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>> >>
>> >>    DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
>> >>
>> >>    [14]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>> >>
>> >>    Strada Pantera
>> >>
>> >>    [15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>> >>
>> >>    DeTomaso Friends
>> >>
>> >>    [16]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>> >>
>> >>    DeTomaso Registry
>> >>
>> >>    [17]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>> >>
>> >>    DeTomaso Club of France
>> >>
>> >>    [18]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>> >>
>> >>    DeTomaso Owners of Australia
>> >>
>> >>    [19]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>> >>
>> >>    Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our Japanese
>> >>    counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
>> >>
>> >>    [20]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>> >>
>> >>    And many many more.
>> >>
>> >>    A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before. There
>> are
>> >>    over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related sites
>> now.
>> >>    Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead of the
>> >>    forums and websites. TRUE.
>> >>
>> >>    Like this one:
>> >>
>> >>    Clevelands Forever - [21]351c.net - anything you ever wanted to
>> know
>> >>    and didn't know about the 351C!
>> >>
>> >>    [22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>> >>
>> >>    Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access to all
>> of
>> >>    this great stuff!!
>> >>
>> >>    Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
>> >>
>> >>    This is the future of our great club!
>> >>
>> >>    In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun Rally in San
>> >>    Diego.
>> >>
>> >>    Enjoy!
>> >>
>> >>    [23]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>> >>
>> >>    Ed Mendez
>> >>
>> >>    Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>> >>
>> >> References
>> >>
>> >>    1. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>> >>    2. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>> >>    3.
>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=hl
>> >>    4. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>> >>    5. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>> >>    6. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>> >>    7. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>> >>    8. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>> >>    9. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>> >>   10. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>> >>   11. panterashttps://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>> >>   12. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>> >>   13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>> >>   14. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>> >>   15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>> >>   16. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>> >>   17. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>> >>   18. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>> >>   19. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>> >>   20. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>> >>   21. http://351c.net/
>> >>   22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>> >>   23. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >>
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>> >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
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>> >>
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>>
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>>
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>> the links above.
>>
>
>
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   Remember a Iam not questioning if there should be a DeTomaso presence
   on Facebook. I think there should be, and it is a valid and useful way
   for contacting other owners and potential owners. I use it often and
   see many of you out there.
   A
   What Iam questioning is if there should be dozens and dozens of
   totallyA independent pages on Facebook, which requires multiple posts
   to reach everyone, and you either only sign up for only a single page
   (which defeats the purpose of having many) or you get the same
   information a half dozen times, which is annoying. By having dozens of
   pages dedicated to the same subject, information gets diluted, it is
   harder to find what you are looking for.
   A
   A We would have met Boyd with a single, unified FB page. The younger,
   social media savvy folks would be there with a single, unified FB
   page.,A or even withA a highly reduced number. But I don't see the
   advantage to having 20 pages for the same subject, and I do see
   disadvantages as mentioned. The same disadvantages that would arise if
   someone were to implement 20 different DeTomaso e-mail fA^3rums,
   something that thankfully hasn't been proposed. You either subscribe to
   them all or you miss stuff. It's exactly the same situation.

   On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 1:23 AM, Jeff Detrich <[1]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
   wrote:

   The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
   meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
   joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a
   new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric
   would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
   correlation to analyze.
   Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
   something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
   connection.A
   So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
   entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
   Jeff
   6559

   On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
   <[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:

     There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
     scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
     I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
     notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
     comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living
     inside an Alzheimer's dream!
     And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
     causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras
     on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be
     worth millions if that's the case.
     In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
     posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a
     photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
     due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
     And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
     any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed
     up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
     Julian
     ________________________________________
     From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez
     <[4]edducati at mac.com>
     Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
     To: Charles McCall
     Cc: [5]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
     I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
     I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
     Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
     hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts
     daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
     several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
     page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
     limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
     ever pages you want to.
     I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
     Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
     recognition to our cars and has increased value.
     It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck
     I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
     Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
     The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already
     and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page,
     this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and
     get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
     chapters)
     So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
     pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try
     not to cross post so much. ;-)
     Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that
     love this car.
     We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
     @pocausa
     Ed
     Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
     > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
     <[6]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
     >
     > Ed,
     > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
     communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
     coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
     fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make
     sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen
     pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
     half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
     only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
     >
     > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people would
     belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
     all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
     into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
     >
     > What do you think?
     >
     >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <[7]edducati at mac.com>
     wrote:

   >>A  A  Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for every
   chapter
   >>A  A  of POCA.
   >>
   >>A  A  Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you
   don't
   >>A  A  already have one, because your missing out on some really good
   Pantera
   >>A  A  stuff...
   >>
   >>A  A  I have made all these pages so far:
   >>
   >>A  A  POCA Main FB page
   >>

   >>A  A
   [1][8]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
   >>
   >>A  A  SDP FB Page
   >>
   >>A  A  [2][9]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
   >>
   >>A  A  Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
   >>
   >>A  A
   [3][10]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
   6227
   >>A  A  6?ref=hl
   >>
   >>A  A  AZ Panteras
   >>
   >>A  A  [4][11]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
   >>
   >>A  A  Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
   >>
   >>A  A  [5][12]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
   >>
   >>A  A  POCA Main Group Page
   >>
   >>A  A
   [6][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
   >>
   >>A  A  POCA Fun Rally Page
   >>
   >>A  A  [7][14]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
   >>
   >>A  A  and here is my personal page:
   >>
   >>A  A  [8][15]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
   >>
   >>A  A  I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
   >>
   >>A  A  Other pages:
   >>
   >>A  A  Foothill Panteras - Secret group
   >>
   >>A  A  [9][16]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
   >>
   >>A  A  Panteras Northwest
   >>
   >>A  A  [10][17]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
   >>
   >>A  A  NY Panteras
   >>
   >>A  A  [11][18]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
   >>
   >>A  A  Jersey Panteras
   >>
   >>A  A  [12][19]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
   >>
   >>A  A  DeTomaso Pantera USA
   >>
   >>A  A  [13][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
   >>
   >>A  A  DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
   >>
   >>A  A  [14][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
   >>
   >>A  A  Strada Pantera
   >>
   >>A  A  [15][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
   >>
   >>A  A  DeTomaso Friends
   >>
   >>A  A  [16][23]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
   >>
   >>A  A  DeTomaso Registry
   >>
   >>A  A
   [17][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
   >>
   >>A  A  DeTomaso Club of France
   >>
   >>A  A
   [18][25]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
   >>
   >>A  A  DeTomaso Owners of Australia
   >>
   >>A  A  [19][26]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
   >>
   >>A  A  Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our
   Japanese
   >>A  A  counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
   >>
   >>A  A  [20][27]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
   >>
   >>A  A  And many many more.
   >>
   >>A  A  A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
   There are
   >>A  A  over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related
   sites now.
   >>A  A  Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead of
   the
   >>A  A  forums and websites. TRUE.
   >>
   >>A  A  Like this one:
   >>
   >>A  A  Clevelands Forever - [21][28]351c.net - anything you ever
   wanted to know
   >>A  A  and didn't know about the 351C!
   >>
   >>A  A  [22][29]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
   >>
   >>A  A  Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access to
   all of
   >>A  A  this great stuff!!
   >>
   >>A  A  Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
   >>
   >>A  A  This is the future of our great club!
   >>
   >>A  A  In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun Rally
   in San
   >>A  A  Diego.
   >>
   >>A  A  Enjoy!
   >>
   >>A  A  [23][30]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
   >>
   >>A  A  Ed Mendez
   >>
   >>A  A  Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
   >>
   >> References
   >>
   >>A  A  1.
   [31]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
   >>A  A  2. [32]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
   >>A  A  3.
   [33]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062622
   76?ref=hl
   >>A  A  4. [34]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
   >>A  A  5. [35]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
   >>A  A  6.
   [36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
   >>A  A  7. [37]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
   >>A  A  8. [38]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
   >>A  A  9. [39]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
   >>A  A 10. [40]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
   >>A  A 11. panterashttps://[41]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
   >>A  A 12. [42]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
   >>A  A 13. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
   >>A  A 14. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
   >>A  A 15. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
   >>A  A 16. [46]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
   >>A  A 17.
   [47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
   >>A  A 18.
   [48]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
   >>A  A 19. [49]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
   >>A  A 20. [50]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
   >>A  A 21. [51]http://351c.net/
   >>A  A 22. [52]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
   >>A  A 23. [53]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw

     >>
     >> _______________________________________________
     >>
     >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
     >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
     >> DeTomaso mailing list
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     >>
     >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
     etc.) use the links above.
     >
     _______________________________________________
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     Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
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     [56]DeTomaso at poca.com

   [57]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   use the links above.

References

   1. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
   2. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
   3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   4. mailto:edducati at mac.com
   5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   6. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
   7. mailto:edducati at mac.com
   8. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
   9. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
  10. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
  11. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
  12. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
  13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
  14. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
  15. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
  16. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
  17. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
  18. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
  19. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
  20. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
  21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
  22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
  23. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
  24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
  25. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
  26. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
  27. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
  28. http://351c.net/
  29. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
  30. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
  31. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
  32. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
  33. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=hl
  34. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
  35. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
  36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
  37. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
  38. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
  39. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
  40. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
  41. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
  42. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
  43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
  44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
  45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
  46. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
  47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
  48. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
  49. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
  50. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
  51. http://351c.net/
  52. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
  53. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
  54. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  55. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  56. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  57. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com

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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 09:34:18 -0600
From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>, "detomaso at poca.com"
        <detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
Message-ID:
        <CANX29aVsAi4oes9pp09hTHXcoMcoPU5fAsK1VUZEaxgtgBCchA at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

My post below was in no way meant to demean what Ed has done. In fact, what
he has done is great and I congratulate him for extending our reach. Being
a marketer in a past life, it is important we measure the effect in
meaningful ways, not only for this but for all of our marketing efforts,
including the website. In that way we can target areas to make them
stronger. Data is good.

Jeff
6559

"You cannot manage what you cannot measure... and what gets measured gets
done."  Bill Hewlett, Hewlett Packard


On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 6:33 PM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:

The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
> meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they joined
> and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a new member,
> that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric would be it's
> effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough correlation to analyze.
>
> Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
> something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous connection.
>
> So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is entertaining;
> eventually a nuisance? Your call.
>
> Jeff
> 6559
>
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   My post below was in no way meant to demean what Ed has done. In fact,
   what he has done is great and I congratulate him for extending our
   reach. Being a marketer in a past life, it is important we measure the
   effect in meaningful ways, not only for this but for all of our
   marketing efforts, including the website. In that way we can target
   areas to make them stronger. Data is good.
   Jeff
   6559
   "You cannot manage what you cannot measure... and what gets measured
   gets done."A A Bill Hewlett, Hewlett Packard
   On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 6:33 PM, Jeff Detrich <[1]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
   wrote:

     The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple
     and meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why
     they joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook
     gets a new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second
     metric would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
     correlation to analyze.

   Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
   something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
   connection.A

   So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
   entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.

   Jeff

   6559

References

   1. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com

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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 10:20:29 -0600
From: Daryl Adams <daryl.architect at gmail.com>
To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
Message-ID:
        <CACGkVTP0TF9w9dOsYg9efqgaxw52syHuajBHRoPjtNJJEep7Dw at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I have to agree with Asa Jay on this. While it has its good points,
Facebook is undeniably the biggest spam generator around. People ask me why
I have a page and don't post anything. I originally set it up so I could
communicate with my grand children, but the tsunami of noise that comes in
is a pain. Trying to manage the filtering, unfriending, etc. just takes
away time I can better spend trying to keep these old cars running. I wish
there were a simple way to disconnect myself from it.

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:

>    My post below was in no way meant to demean what Ed has done. In fact,
>    what he has done is great and I congratulate him for extending our
>    reach. Being a marketer in a past life, it is important we measure the
>    effect in meaningful ways, not only for this but for all of our
>    marketing efforts, including the website. In that way we can target
>    areas to make them stronger. Data is good.
>    Jeff
>    6559
>    "You cannot manage what you cannot measure... and what gets measured
>    gets done."A A Bill Hewlett, Hewlett Packard
>    On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 6:33 PM, Jeff Detrich <[1]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>    wrote:
>
>      The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple
>      and meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why
>      they joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook
>      gets a new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second
>      metric would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
>      correlation to analyze.
>
>    Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
>    something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
>    connection.A
>
>    So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
>    entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
>
>    Jeff
>
>    6559
>
> References
>
>    1. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
>
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   I have to agree with Asa Jay on this. While it has its good points,
   Facebook is undeniably the biggest spam generator around. People ask me
   why I have a page and don't post anything. I originally set it up so I
   could communicate with my grand children, but the tsunami of noise that
   comes in is a pain. Trying to manage the filtering, unfriending, etc.
   just takes away time I can better spend trying to keep these old cars
   running. I wish there were a simple way to disconnect myself from it.

   On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Jeff Detrich <[1]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
   wrote:

     A  A My post below was in no way meant to demean what Ed has done.
     In fact,
     A  A what he has done is great and I congratulate him for extending
     our
     A  A reach. Being a marketer in a past life, it is important we
     measure the
     A  A effect in meaningful ways, not only for this but for all of our
     A  A marketing efforts, including the website. In that way we can
     target
     A  A areas to make them stronger. Data is good.
     A  A Jeff
     A  A 6559
     A  A "You cannot manage what you cannot measure... and what gets
     measured
     A  A gets done."A A Bill Hewlett, Hewlett Packard
     A  A On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 6:33 PM, Jeff Detrich
     <[1][2]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
     A  A wrote:
     A  A  A The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A
     simple
     A  A  A and meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking
     why
     A  A  A they joined and where did they find out about the club. If
     Facebook
     A  A  A gets a new member, that can monetized to justify its costs.
     A second
     A  A  A metric would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be
     a tough
     A  A  A correlation to analyze.
     A  A Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start
     to sell
     A  A something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
     A  A connection.A
     A  A So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
     A  A entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
     A  A Jeff
     A  A 6559
     References
     A  A 1. mailto:[3]jjdetrich at gmail.com
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