[DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook

Sean Korb spkorb at gmail.com
Wed Feb 3 07:52:10 EST 2016


That said, we could put aside some club budget to "promote" sites at
opportune times, like during an event or a recruitment drive.  We are
likely going to have more members join FB and it might be worthwhile in
some cases.  The younger crowd uses Snapchat, Twitter and other apps as
well.  FB is really for... err... old people but they are buying up some of
the hipper applications so watch that space.

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is really the rub.  Facebook is not about you.  It's not about
> Panteras and it is not about distributing information.  Any benefit is a
> side effect.  They want money and the advertisers not only contribute
> through media buys, the information and analytics can be monetized and sold
> to other organizations that would also like money.
>
> I'm an avid (maybe rabid) Facebook user and the Detomaso presence on FB is
> entertaining and rewarding.  I'm glad it is there.  But you cannot depend
> on it as a way to distribute information reliably.  FB needs to know what
> you like but if you "like" something that doesn't mean you get more of it.
> It means that they will try to guess (though their analytics) what else you
> will "like" and test your answers to see if it fits a model.  If they guess
> right by presenting the different items and you *do* "like" or "click" or
> "comment" or "share" again, it doesn't mean you get more of it.  They want
> to *keep*building*the*model*.
>
> In a very spooky coincidence, I posted this methodology on FB to my
> friends and I got a FB recruitment letter 6 hours later (I'm a High
> Performance Computing professional).  Yiiiikes!
>
> I love FB and I will continue to use it and I encourage a FB presence for
> all POCA and other DeTomaso clubs.  But do not *rely* on it for
> distributing information.
>
> sean
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>    The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
>>    meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
>>    joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a
>>    new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric
>>    would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
>>    correlation to analyze.
>>    Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
>>    something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
>>    connection.A
>>    So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
>>    entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
>>    Jeff
>>    6559
>>
>>    On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
>>    <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>      There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
>>      scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>>      I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
>>      notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
>>      comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living
>>      inside an Alzheimer's dream!
>>      And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
>>      causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras
>>      on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be
>>      worth millions if that's the case.
>>      In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
>>      posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a
>>      photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
>>      due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>>      And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
>>      any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed
>>      up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
>>      Julian
>>      ________________________________________
>>      From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed Mendez
>>      <[3]edducati at mac.com>
>>      Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
>>      To: Charles McCall
>>      Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
>>      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>>      I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
>>      I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>>      Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
>>      hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts
>>      daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
>>      several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
>>      page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
>>      limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
>>      ever pages you want to.
>>      I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
>>      Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
>>      recognition to our cars and has increased value.
>>      It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck
>>      I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
>>      Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
>>      The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already
>>      and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page,
>>      this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and
>>      get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
>>      chapters)
>>      So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
>>      pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try
>>      not to cross post so much. ;-)
>>      Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that
>>      love this car.
>>      We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
>>      @pocausa
>>      Ed
>>      Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>      > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
>>      <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>      >
>>      > Ed,
>>      > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
>>      communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
>>      coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
>>      fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make
>>      sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen
>>      pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
>>      half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
>>      only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
>>      >
>>      > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people would
>>      belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
>>      all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
>>      into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
>>      >
>>      > What do you think?
>>      >
>>      >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez <[6]edducati at mac.com>
>>      wrote:
>>      >>A  A  Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for
>>      every chapter
>>      >>A  A  of POCA.
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you
>>      don't
>>      >>A  A  already have one, because your missing out on some really
>>      good Pantera
>>      >>A  A  stuff...
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  I have made all these pages so far:
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  POCA Main FB page
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A
>>      [1][7]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  SDP FB Page
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [2][8]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A
>>      [3][9]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
>>      626227
>>      >>A  A  6?ref=hl
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  AZ Panteras
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [4][10]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [5][11]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  POCA Main Group Page
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A
>>      [6][12]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  POCA Fun Rally Page
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [7][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  and here is my personal page:
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [8][14]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Other pages:
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Foothill Panteras - Secret group
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [9][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Panteras Northwest
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [10][16]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  NY Panteras
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [11][17]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Jersey Panteras
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [12][18]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  DeTomaso Pantera USA
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [14][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Strada Pantera
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  DeTomaso Friends
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [16][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  DeTomaso Registry
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A
>>      [17][23]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  DeTomaso Club of France
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A
>>      [18][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  DeTomaso Owners of Australia
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [19][25]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our
>>      Japanese
>>      >>A  A  counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [20][26]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  And many many more.
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
>>      There are
>>      >>A  A  over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related
>>      sites now.
>>      >>A  A  Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead
>>      of the
>>      >>A  A  forums and websites. TRUE.
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Like this one:
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you ever
>>      wanted to know
>>      >>A  A  and didn't know about the 351C!
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access
>>      to all of
>>      >>A  A  this great stuff!!
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  This is the future of our great club!
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
>>      Rally in San
>>      >>A  A  Diego.
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Enjoy!
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  [23][29]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Ed Mendez
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>      >>
>>      >> References
>>      >>
>>      >>A  A  1.
>>      [30]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>      >>A  A  2. [31]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>      >>A  A  3.
>>      [32]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
>>      62276?ref=hl
>>      >>A  A  4. [33]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>      >>A  A  5. [34]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>      >>A  A  6.
>>      [35]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>      >>A  A  7. [36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>      >>A  A  8. [37]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>      >>A  A  9. [38]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>      >>A  A 10. [39]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>      >>A  A 11. panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>      >>A  A 12. [41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>      >>A  A 13. [42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>      >>A  A 14. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>      >>A  A 15. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>      >>A  A 16. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>      >>A  A 17.
>>      [46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>      >>A  A 18.
>>      [47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>      >>A  A 19. [48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>      >>A  A 20. [49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>      >>A  A 21. [50]http://351c.net/
>>      >>A  A 22. [51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>      >>A  A 23. [52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>      >>
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>> References
>>
>>    1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>>    2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>    3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>>    4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>>    5. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
>>    6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>>    7. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>    8. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>    9.
>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
>>   10. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>   11. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>   12. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>   13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>   14. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>   15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>   16. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>   17. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>   18. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>   19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>   20. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>   21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>   22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>   23. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>   24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>   25. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>   26. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>   27. http://351c.net/
>>   28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>   29. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>   30. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>   31. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>   32.
>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=hl
>>   33. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>   34. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>   35. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>   36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>   37. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>   38. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>   39. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>   40. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>   41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>   42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>   43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>   44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>   45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>   46. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>   47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>   48. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>   49. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>   50. http://351c.net/
>>   51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>   52. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>   53. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>   54. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>   55. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>   56. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
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   That said, we could put aside some club budget to "promote" sites at
   opportune times, like during an event or a recruitment drive.A  We are
   likely going to have more members join FB and it might be worthwhile in
   some cases.A  The younger crowd uses Snapchat, Twitter and other apps
   as well.A  FB is really for... err... old people but they are buying up
   some of the hipper applications so watch that space.

   On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Sean Korb <[1]spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:

   This is really the rub.A  Facebook is not about you.A  It's not about
   Panteras and it is not about distributing information.A  Any benefit is
   a side effect.A  They want money and the advertisers not only
   contribute through media buys, the information and analytics can be
   monetized and sold to other organizations that would also like money.
   I'm an avid (maybe rabid) Facebook user and the Detomaso presence on FB
   is entertaining and rewarding.A  I'm glad it is there.A  But you cannot
   depend on it as a way to distribute information reliably.A  FB needs to
   know what you like but if you "like" something that doesn't mean you
   get more of it.A  It means that they will try to guess (though their
   analytics) what else you will "like" and test your answers to see if it
   fits a model.A  If they guess right by presenting the different items
   and you *do* "like" or "click" or "comment" or "share" again, it
   doesn't mean you get more of it.A  They want to
   *keep*building*the*model*.
   In a very spooky coincidence, I posted this methodology on FB to my
   friends and I got a FB recruitment letter 6 hours later (I'm a High
   Performance Computing professional).A  Yiiiikes!
   I love FB and I will continue to use it and I encourage a FB presence
   for all POCA and other DeTomaso clubs.A  But do not *rely* on it for
   distributing information.
   sean

   On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Jeff Detrich <[2]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
   wrote:

   A  A The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple
   and
   A  A meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
   A  A joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook
   gets a
   A  A new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second
   metric
   A  A would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
   A  A correlation to analyze.
   A  A Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to
   sell
   A  A something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
   A  A connection.A
   A  A So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
   A  A entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
   A  A Jeff
   A  A 6559
   A  A On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
   A  A <[1][3]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
   A  A  A There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook
   a) be
   A  A  A scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
   A  A  A I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
   A  A  A notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then
   someone
   A  A  A comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like
   living
   A  A  A inside an Alzheimer's dream!
   A  A  A And there we go with statistics again; that assumption
   correlation =
   A  A  A causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of
   Panteras
   A  A  A on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog
   would be
   A  A  A worth millions if that's the case.
   A  A  A In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other
   FB
   A  A  A posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption
   on a
   A  A  A photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without
   any
   A  A  A due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
   A  A  A And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something
   on
   A  A  A any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already
   fed
   A  A  A up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
   A  A  A Julian
   A  A  A ________________________________________
   A  A  A From: DeTomaso <[2][4]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of
   Ed Mendez
   A  A  A <[3][5]edducati at mac.com>
   A  A  A Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
   A  A  A To: Charles McCall
   A  A  A Cc: [4][6]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego
   Panteras
   A  A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
   A  A  A I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault.
   :-)
   A  A  A I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been
   told.
   A  A  A Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot
   of
   A  A  A hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of
   posts
   A  A  A daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done
   across
   A  A  A several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your
   own
   A  A  A page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You
   can
   A  A  A limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to
   which
   A  A  A ever pages you want to.
   A  A  A I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
   A  A  A Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
   A  A  A recognition to our cars and has increased value.
   A  A  A It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together.
   Heck
   A  A  A I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
   A  A  A Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
   A  A  A The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't
   already
   A  A  A and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB
   page,
   A  A  A this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line -
   grow and
   A  A  A get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
   A  A  A chapters)
   A  A  A So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups
   and
   A  A  A pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll
   try
   A  A  A not to cross post so much. ;-)
   A  A  A Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all
   that
   A  A  A love this car.
   A  A  A We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
   A  A  A @pocausa
   A  A  A Ed
   A  A  A Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
   A  A  A > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
   A  A  A <[5][7]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
   A  A  A >
   A  A  A > Ed,
   A  A  A > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
   A  A  A communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
   A  A  A coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have
   a
   A  A  A fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to
   make
   A  A  A sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a
   half-dozen
   A  A  A pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message
   a
   A  A  A half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it
   will
   A  A  A only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
   A  A  A >
   A  A  A > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people
   would
   A  A  A belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to
   them
   A  A  A all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso
   world
   A  A  A into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
   A  A  A >
   A  A  A > What do you think?
   A  A  A >
   A  A  A >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez
   <[6][8]edducati at mac.com>
   A  A  A wrote:
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison
   for
   A  A  A every chapter
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  of POCA.
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account
   if you
   A  A  A don't
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  already have one, because your missing out on some
   really
   A  A  A good Pantera
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  stuff...
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  I have made all these pages so far:
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  POCA Main FB page
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  A
   A  A
   A [1][7][9]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  SDP FB Page
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA
   [2][8][10]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  A
   A  A
   A [3][9][11]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170
   650
   A  A  A 626227
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  6?ref=hl
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  AZ Panteras
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  [4][10][12]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  [5][11][13]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  POCA Main Group Page
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  A
   A  A
   A [6][12][14]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica
   /
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  POCA Fun Rally Page
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA
   [7][13][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  and here is my personal page:
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  [8][14][16]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  I've also made a Facebook page for each and every
   chapter.
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  Other pages:
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  Foothill Panteras - Secret group
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA
   [9][15][17]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  Panteras Northwest
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA
   [10][16][18]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  NY Panteras
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA
   [11][17][19]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  Jersey Panteras
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  [12][18][20]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  DeTomaso Pantera USA
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA
   [13][19][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA
   [14][20][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  Strada Pantera
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA
   [15][21][23]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  DeTomaso Friends
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA
   [16][22][24]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  DeTomaso Registry
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  A
   A  A
   A [17][23][25]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512
   926
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  DeTomaso Club of France
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  A
   A  A
   A [18][24][26]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/1101527422
   39
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  DeTomaso Owners of Australia
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA
   [19][25][27]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see
   what our
   A  A  A Japanese
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA
   [20][26][28]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  And many many more.
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some
   before.
   A  A  A There are
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc
   related
   A  A  A sites now.
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions
   instead
   A  A  A of the
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  forums and websites. TRUE.
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  Like this one:
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  Clevelands Forever - [21][27][29]351c.net - anything
   you ever
   A  A  A wanted to know
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  and didn't know about the 351C!
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA
   [22][28][30]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have
   access
   A  A  A to all of
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  this great stuff!!
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  This is the future of our great club!
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA
   Fun
   A  A  A Rally in San
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  Diego.
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  Enjoy!
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  [23][29][31]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  Ed Mendez
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >> References
   A  A  A >>
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  1.
   A  A
   A [30][32]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  2.
   [31][33]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  3.
   A  A
   A [32][34]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065
   062
   A  A  A 62276?ref=hl
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  4. [33][35]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  5. [34][36]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  6.
   A  A
   A [35][37]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  7.
   [36][38]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  8. [37][39]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
   A  A  A >>AA  AA  9.
   [38][40]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
   A  A  A >>AA  A 10. [39][41]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
   A  A  A >>AA  A 11.
   panterashttps://[40][42]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
   A  A  A >>AA  A 12. [41][43]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
   A  A  A >>AA  A 13.
   [42][44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
   A  A  A >>AA  A 14.
   [43][45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
   A  A  A >>AA  A 15.
   [44][46]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
   A  A  A >>AA  A 16.
   [45][47]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
   A  A  A >>AA  A 17.
   A  A
   A [46][48]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
   A  A  A >>AA  A 18.
   A  A
   A [47][49]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
   A  A  A >>AA  A 19. [48][50]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
   A  A  A >>AA  A 20. [49][51]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
   A  A  A >>AA  A 21. [50][52]http://351c.net/
   A  A  A >>AA  A 22.
   [51][53]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
   A  A  A >>AA  A 23. [52][54]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
   A  A  A >>
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   A  A [56][58]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   A  A To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.)
   A  A use the links above.
   References
   A  A 1. mailto:[59]julian_kift at hotmail.com
   A  A 2. mailto:[60]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   A  A 3. mailto:[61]edducati at mac.com
   A  A 4. mailto:[62]detomaso at poca.com
   A  A 5. mailto:[63]charlesmccall at gmail.com
   A  A 6. mailto:[64]edducati at mac.com
   A  A 7. [65]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
   A  A 8. [66]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
   A  A 9.
   [67]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062622
   7
   A  10. [68]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
   A  11. [69]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
   A  12. [70]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
   A  13. [71]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
   A  14. [72]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
   A  15. [73]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
   A  16. [74]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
   A  17. [75]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
   A  18. [76]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
   A  19. [77]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
   A  20. [78]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
   A  21. [79]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
   A  22. [80]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
   A  23. [81]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
   A  24. [82]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
   A  25. [83]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
   A  26. [84]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
   A  27. [85]http://351c.net/
   A  28. [86]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
   A  29. [87]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
   A  30. [88]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
   A  31. [89]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
   A  32.
   [90]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062622
   76?ref=hl
   A  33. [91]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
   A  34. [92]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
   A  35. [93]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
   A  36. [94]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
   A  37. [95]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
   A  38. [96]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
   A  39. [97]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
   A  40. [98]http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
   A  41. [99]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
   A  42. [100]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
   A  43. [101]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
   A  44. [102]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
   A  45. [103]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
   A  46.
   [104]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
   A  47. [105]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
   A  48. [106]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
   A  49. [107]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
   A  50. [108]http://351c.net/
   A  51. [109]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
   A  52. [110]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
   A  53. mailto:[111]DeTomaso at poca.com
   A  54. [112]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   A  55. mailto:[113]DeTomaso at poca.com
   A  56. [114]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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References

   1. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com
   2. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
   3. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
   4. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   5. mailto:edducati at mac.com
   6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   7. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
   8. mailto:edducati at mac.com
   9. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
  10. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
  11. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
  12. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
  13. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
  14. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
  15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
  16. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
  17. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
  18. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
  19. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
  20. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
  21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
  22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
  23. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
  24. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
  25. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
  26. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
  27. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
  28. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
  29. http://351c.net/
  30. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
  31. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
  32. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
  33. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
  34. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
  35. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
  36. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
  37. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
  38. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
  39. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
  40. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
  41. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
  42. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
  43. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
  44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
  45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
  46. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
  47. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
  48. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
  49. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
  50. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
  51. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
  52. http://351c.net/
  53. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
  54. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
  55. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  56. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  57. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  58. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  59. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  60. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
  61. mailto:edducati at mac.com
  62. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
  63. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
  64. mailto:edducati at mac.com
  65. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
  66. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
  67. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
  68. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
  69. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
  70. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
  71. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
  72. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
  73. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
  74. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
  75. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
  76. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
  77. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
  78. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
  79. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
  80. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
  81. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
  82. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
  83. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
  84. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
  85. http://351c.net/
  86. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
  87. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
  88. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
  89. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
  90. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=hl
  91. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
  92. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
  93. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
  94. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
  95. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
  96. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
  97. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
  98. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
  99. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
 100. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
 101. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
 102. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
 103. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
 104. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
 105. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
 106. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
 107. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
 108. http://351c.net/
 109. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
 110. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
 111. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 112. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 113. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 114. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 115. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
 116. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 117. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org
 118. http://www.spkorb.org/
 119. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org
 120. http://www.spkorb.org/


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