[DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
Michael Shortt
michaelsavga at gmail.com
Mon Feb 1 22:55:35 EST 2016
Ed is doing a super job, we are lucky to have him and his role will be
expanding soon to include website features.
In that most of the new buyers of our cars that are paying 70K -240K are
not "old" guys but younger and middle aged guys, they are the future of
POCA and that includes the way they communicate and their 10 second
attention span.
We must embrace all these communication methods as well as preserve the
work product of the last 40 years of newsletters, Profiles and even Pantera
International's efforts.
They are combined, our version of the Magna Carta, US Constitution and
Gettysburg Address.
Sadly, many of the old guys will leave the fold for health reasons or
ultimate non-health reasons. We are already behind in preparations to meet
the expectations of these more affluent collectors, we must catch up.
Moreover, with 27% of the newest demographic "millenials" not even getting
a driver's license by age 25 ( bunch of p#@$&#), we have to compete for the
few that were raised right with an appreciation for fine autos and
motorsports.
Let's not take the BS attitude of some who seem to want to let POCA die
when they do, that would be a far greater loss, there is too much knowledge
and expertise that must be saved.
Remember, we are simply caretakers of these cars.
I go to car shows and concours and while I love looking at the cars, I wish
they could talk, can you imagine the stories a Model J Duesenberg or a 810
Cord could tell?
Michael Shortt
On Feb 1, 2016 10:18 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton" <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
> Don't get me wrong, I think Ed's done a great job of getting POCA into the
> facebook generation; I just think there is a limit here and huge potential
> for diminishing returns. By recommending everybody have one and each
> Chapter have one, I think it dilutes things, but then again, I'm an
> Introvert by nature and don't think facebook is actually a good thing at
> all.
>
> How many kids have committed suicide because they were bullied on facebook?
> How many kids have lost jobs because of posts where they should have kept
> their mouth shut, or a photo they should never got themselves into a
> position to have taken.
> How many people have lost marriages for similar reasons?
> How many of you have heard about the Dad, who used to look at porn
> occasionally until he stumbled on porn of his -daughter- one day? (sorry,
> that in itself doesn't have a huge connection to facebook).
>
> facebook like other things needs to be done in moderation; just a little
> dab will do you. Too many kids end up relying on it to boost their own
> morale and their self-esteem, and then when they do something stupid they
> can't take the shaming. How many adults fall into this problem?
>
> I think too many parents aren't watching what their kids are doing; the
> parents are the ones who should boost kids self-esteem and help pick them
> up when they've done something stupid. Too many facebook friends aren't
> even acquaintances and yet some kinds rely on their every word to stay
> alive.
>
> Sorry for devolving this, but I tend to get a little pissy when people try
> to "pressure" me into getting on facebook, or twitter, or instragram, etc.
> when I see hardly any purpose.
>
> I've got a facebook page and I typically visit it about once every six
> months. I don't really need it.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
> On 2/1/2016 5:03 PM, Larry Stock wrote:
>
>> You folks have got to understand that we are an older crowd here. Facebook
>> is a younger Demographic that we would reaching out to. As Ed Mendez has
>> noted that we also have a twitter account, then there is instagram, for
>> another Younger demographic. These are all just younger modes of
>> communication just like our old rotary phones used to be, technology just
>> keeps marching on. So there are now web pages, Facebook pages, and who
>> know what will be next. If we want to appeal to a younger market, we need
>> to be available on these newer communication modes. Lets at least give Ed
>> credit for putting us out there if some younger folks want to share our
>> passion, at least we can be available. We can always mail them a magazine.
>> Larry Stock
>>
>> On 2/1/16, 4:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
>> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A simple and
>>> meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why they
>>> joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook gets a
>>> new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second metric
>>> would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
>>> correlation to analyze.
>>> Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start to sell
>>> something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
>>> connection.A
>>> So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
>>> entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
>>> Jeff
>>> 6559
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
>>> <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of Facebook a) be
>>> scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
>>> I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get 3
>>> notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then someone
>>> comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's like living
>>> inside an Alzheimer's dream!
>>> And there we go with statistics again; that assumption correlation =
>>> causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of Panteras
>>> on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog would be
>>> worth millions if that's the case.
>>> In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through other FB
>>> posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a caption on a
>>> photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it without any
>>> due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true right!
>>> And now there's the targeted advertising, search for something on
>>> any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm already fed
>>> up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
>>> Julian
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: DeTomaso<[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Ed
>>> Mendez
>>> <[3]edducati at mac.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
>>> To: Charles McCall
>>> Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego Panteras
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
>>> I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my fault. :-)
>>> I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been told.
>>> Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a lot of
>>> hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s of posts
>>> daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done across
>>> several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on your own
>>> page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts. You can
>>> limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to which
>>> ever pages you want to.
>>> I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB with
>>> Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
>>> recognition to our cars and has increased value.
>>> It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts together. Heck
>>> I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes of
>>> Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
>>> The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't already
>>> and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own FB page,
>>> this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line - grow and
>>> get people interested. All the pages are there already (for the
>>> chapters)
>>> So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the groups and
>>> pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good, I'll try
>>> not to cross post so much. ;-)
>>> Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite all that
>>> love this car.
>>> We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
>>> @pocausa
>>> Ed
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>> > On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
>>> <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Ed,
>>> > Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative for
>>> communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
>>> coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that have a
>>> fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want to make
>>> sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a half-dozen
>>> pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same message a
>>> half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and it will
>>> only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera pages.
>>> >
>>> > It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most people would
>>> belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to them
>>> all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso world
>>> into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
>>> >
>>> > What do you think?
>>> >
>>> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed Mendez<[6]edducati at mac.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>A A Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook liaison for
>>> every chapter
>>> >>A A of POCA.
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook account if you
>>> don't
>>> >>A A already have one, because your missing out on some really
>>> good Pantera
>>> >>A A stuff...
>>> >>
>>> >>A A I have made all these pages so far:
>>> >>
>>> >>A A POCA Main FB page
>>> >>
>>> >>A A
>>> [1][7]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>> >>
>>> >>A A SDP FB Page
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [2][8]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
>>> >>
>>> >>A A
>>> [3][9]
>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
>>> 626227
>>> >>A A 6?ref=hl
>>> >>
>>> >>A A AZ Panteras
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [4][10]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [5][11]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>> >>
>>> >>A A POCA Main Group Page
>>> >>
>>> >>A A
>>> [6][12]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A POCA Fun Rally Page
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [7][13]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A and here is my personal page:
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [8][14]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>> >>
>>> >>A A I've also made a Facebook page for each and every chapter.
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Other pages:
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Foothill Panteras - Secret group
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [9][15]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Panteras Northwest
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [10][16]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>> >>
>>> >>A A NY Panteras
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [11][17]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Jersey Panteras
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [12][18]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>> >>
>>> >>A A DeTomaso Pantera USA
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [14][20]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Strada Pantera
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A DeTomaso Friends
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [16][22]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A DeTomaso Registry
>>> >>
>>> >>A A
>>> [17][23]
>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>> >>
>>> >>A A DeTomaso Club of France
>>> >>
>>> >>A A
>>> [18][24]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>> >>
>>> >>A A DeTomaso Owners of Australia
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [19][25]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see what our
>>> Japanese
>>> >>A A counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [20][26]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>> >>
>>> >>A A And many many more.
>>> >>
>>> >>A A A lot of these popped up since I started ours, some before.
>>> There are
>>> >>A A over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp, etc related
>>> sites now.
>>> >>A A Many people are now using Facebook to ask questions instead
>>> of the
>>> >>A A forums and websites. TRUE.
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Like this one:
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Clevelands Forever - [21][27]351c.net - anything you ever
>>> wanted to know
>>> >>A A and didn't know about the 351C!
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't have access
>>> to all of
>>> >>A A this great stuff!!
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
>>> >>
>>> >>A A This is the future of our great club!
>>> >>
>>> >>A A In the meantime please enjoy this video of the POCA Fun
>>> Rally in San
>>> >>A A Diego.
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Enjoy!
>>> >>
>>> >>A A [23][29]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Ed Mendez
>>> >>
>>> >>A A Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>> >>
>>> >> References
>>> >>
>>> >>A A 1.
>>> [30]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>> >>A A 2. [31]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>> >>A A 3.
>>> [32]
>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
>>> 62276?ref=hl
>>> >>A A 4. [33]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>> >>A A 5. [34]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>> >>A A 6.
>>> [35]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>> >>A A 7. [36]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>> >>A A 8. [37]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>> >>A A 9. [38]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>> >>A A 10. [39]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>> >>A A 11. panterashttps://[40]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>> >>A A 12. [41]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>> >>A A 13. [42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>> >>A A 14. [43]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>> >>A A 15. [44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>> >>A A 16. [45]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>> >>A A 17.
>>> [46]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>> >>A A 18.
>>> [47]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>> >>A A 19. [48]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>> >>A A 20. [49]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>> >>A A 21. [50]http://351c.net/
>>> >>A A 22. [51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>> >>A A 23. [52]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>> >>
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>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>>> 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>> 3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>>> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>>> 5. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
>>> 6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>>> 7. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>> 8. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>> 9.
>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
>>> 10. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>> 11. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>> 12. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>> 13. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>> 14. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>> 15. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>> 16. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>> 17. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>> 18. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>> 19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>> 20. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>> 21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>> 22. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>> 23. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>> 24. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>> 25. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>> 26. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>> 27. http://351c.net/
>>> 28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>> 29. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>> 30. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
>>> 31. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
>>> 32.
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/571706506262276?ref=
>>> hl
>>> 33. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
>>> 34. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
>>> 35. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
>>> 36. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
>>> 37. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>>> 38. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
>>> 39. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
>>> 40. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
>>> 41. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
>>> 42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
>>> 43. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
>>> 44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
>>> 45. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
>>> 46. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
>>> 47. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
>>> 48. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
>>> 49. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
>>> 50. http://351c.net/
>>> 51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
>>> 52. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
>>> 53. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>> 54. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>> 55. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>> 56. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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Ed is doing a super job, we are lucky to have him and his role will be
expanding soon to include website features.
In that most of the new buyers of our cars that are paying 70K -240K
are not "old" guys but younger and middle aged guys, they are the
future of POCA and that includes the way they communicate and their 10
second attention span.
We must embrace all these communication methods as well as preserve the
work product of the last 40 years of newsletters, Profiles and even
Pantera International's efforts.
They are combined, our version of the Magna Carta, USA Constitution
and Gettysburg Address.
Sadly, many of the old guys will leave the fold for health reasons or
ultimate non-health reasons. We are already behind in preparations to
meet the expectations of these more affluent collectors, we must catch
up.
Moreover, with 27% of the newest demographic "millenials" not even
getting a driver's license by age 25 ( bunch of p#@$&#), we have to
compete for the few that were raised right with an appreciation for
fine autos and motorsports.
Let's not take the BS attitude of some who seem to want to let POCA die
when they do, that would be a far greater loss, there is too much
knowledge and expertise that must be saved.
Remember, we are simply caretakers of these cars.
I go to car shows and concours and while I love looking at the cars, I
wish they could talk, can you imagine the stories a Model J Duesenberg
or a 810 Cord could tell?
Michael Shortt
On Feb 1, 2016 10:18 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton" <[1]asajay at asajay.com>
wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I think Ed's done a great job of getting POCA
into the facebook generation; I just think there is a limit here and
huge potential for diminishing returns.A By recommending everybody
have one and each Chapter have one, I think it dilutes things, but
then again, I'm an Introvert by nature and don't think facebook is
actually a good thing at all.
How many kids have committed suicide because they were bullied on
facebook?
How many kids have lost jobs because of posts where they should have
kept their mouth shut, or a photo they should never got themselves
into a position to have taken.
How many people have lost marriages for similar reasons?
How many of you have heard about the Dad, who used to look at porn
occasionally until he stumbled on porn of his -daughter- one day?A
(sorry, that in itself doesn't have a huge connection to facebook).
facebook like other things needs to be done in moderation; just a
little dab will do you.A Too many kids end up relying on it to
boost their own morale and their self-esteem, and then when they do
something stupid they can't take the shaming.A How many adults fall
into this problem?
I think too many parents aren't watching what their kids are doing;
the parents are the ones who should boost kids self-esteem and help
pick them up when they've done something stupid.A Too many facebook
friends aren't even acquaintances and yet some kinds rely on their
every word to stay alive.
Sorry for devolving this, but I tend to get a little pissy when
people try to "pressure" me into getting on facebook, or twitter, or
instragram, etc. when I see hardly any purpose.
I've got a facebook page and I typically visit it about once every
six months.A I don't really need it.
AsaA Jay
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&A Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
[2]http://www.racingagainstautism.com
[3]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
[4]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
On 2/1/2016 5:03 PM, Larry Stock wrote:
You folks have got to understand that we are an older crowd here.
Facebook
is a younger Demographic that we would reaching out to. As Ed Mendez
has
noted that we also have a twitter account, then there is instagram,
for
another Younger demographic. These are all just younger modes of
communication just like our old rotary phones used to be, technology
just
keeps marching on. So there are now web pages, Facebook pages, and
who
know what will be next. If we want to appeal to a younger market, we
need
to be available on these newer communication modes. Lets at least
give Ed
credit for putting us out there if some younger folks want to share
our
passion, at least we can be available. We can always mail them a
magazine.
Larry Stock
On 2/1/16, 4:23 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
<[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of [6]jjdetrich at gmail.com>A
wrote:
A A The real question is how to measure the Facebook effect. A
simple and
A A meaningful metric is to track new POCA members by asking why
they
A A joined and where did they find out about the club. If Facebook
gets a
A A new member, that can monetized to justify its costs. A second
metric
A A would be it's effect on Pantera prices. That would be a tough
A A correlation to analyze.
A A Hits are not a real measure of performance until we can start
to sell
A A something through Facebook. Even then it would be a tenuous
A A connection.A
A A So it comes down to the entertainment factor. At first it is
A A entertaining; eventually a nuisance? Your call.
A A Jeff
A A 6559
A A On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Julian Kift
A A <[1][7]julian_kift at hotmail.com>A wrote:
A A A There are two scenarios as I see it for the future of
Facebook a) be
A A A scared, be very scared or b) anyone remember MySpace?
A A A I put a post on the email forum, then 10 minutes later I get
3
A A A notifications from Facebook for that same information. Then
someone
A A A comments on it and it appears on FB all over again! It's
like living
A A A inside an Alzheimer's dream!
A A A And there we go with statistics again; that assumption
correlation =
A A A causation crap, just because someone posts a few photos of
Panteras
A A A on FB doesn't cause the price to increase; holy shit my dog
would be
A A A worth millions if that's the case.
A A A In between all these Pantera notifications I dig through
other FB
A A A posts and unravel a few untruths where someone's put a
caption on a
A A A photo and feels the need to 'share' the shit out of it
without any
A A A due diligence, just because it's on FB it must be true
right!
A A A And now there's the targeted advertising, search for
something on
A A A any site and there it is on FB, well I can tell you I'm
already fed
A A A up with ad's for dildo's and blow up dolls.
A A A Julian
A A A ________________________________________
A A A From: DeTomaso<[2][8]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>A on behalf
of Ed Mendez
A A A <[3][9]edducati at mac.com>
A A A Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:01 AM
A A A To: Charles McCall
A A A Cc: [4][10]detomaso at poca.com; Space City Panteras; San Diego
Panteras
A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA on Facebook
A A A I understand about the multiple posts, that would be my
fault. :-)
A A A I'm the guilty party. I'm a Facebook over achiever I've been
told.
A A A Myself, I Like a few 100 pages, not all Pantera related, a
lot of
A A A hot rod and chopper pages and other cool stuff. I get 1000s
of posts
A A A daily but they go to my newsfeed. The posts that are done
across
A A A several Pantera pages only go on your newsfeed and not on
your own
A A A page. There are settings in FB to allow or disallow posts.
You can
A A A limit the number. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to
which
A A A ever pages you want to.
A A A I feel multiple pages has been a good idea; to saturate FB
with
A A A Pantera stuff, this has in turn brought more publicity and
A A A recognition to our cars and has increased value.
A A A It's also brought a worldwide group of us enthusiasts
together. Heck
A A A I didn't know there was a Pantera Club of Japan or the likes
of
A A A Junika Okada and the awesome work he does over there.
A A A The point of my email was to get folks on FB if they aren't
already
A A A and to ask each chapter to get active and promote their own
FB page,
A A A this has and will grow membership. That's the bottom line -
grow and
A A A get people interested. All the pages are there already (for
the
A A A chapters)
A A A So yea I sometimes post the same message to many of the
groups and
A A A pages at the same time. So everyone does get it. All good,
I'll try
A A A not to cross post so much. ;-)
A A A Lack of unity is Facebook, but Facebook is a tool to unite
all that
A A A love this car.
A A A We even have a Twitter account I just don't have the time...
A A A @pocausa
A A A Ed
A A A Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
A A A >A On 1/02/2016, at 22:56, Charles McCall
A A A <[5][11]charlesmccall at gmail.com>A wrote:
A A A >
A A A >A Ed,
A A A >A Is this a good idea? One thing that I think is negative
for
A A A communication is that there is a certain lack of unity or
A A A coordination on FB. There are a dozen DeTomaso pages that
have a
A A A fair amount of activity. If you have a message that you want
to make
A A A sure that everyone gets, then you need to cross-post on a
half-dozen
A A A pages. People who subscribe to those pages get the same
message a
A A A half-dozen times, which gets annoying. It happens now, and
it will
A A A only get worse if people keep generating new FB Pantera
pages.
A A A >
A A A >A It would be as if there were 6 E-mail fA^3rums. Most
people would
A A A belong to several, but to reach everyone you need to post to
them
A A A all. I don't see the advantage in splintering the DeTomaso
world
A A A into ever-smaller grounds, but I do see disadvantages.
A A A >
A A A >A What do you think?
A A A >
A A A >>A On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ed
Mendez<[6][12]edducati at mac.com>
A A A wrote:
A A A >>AA AA Just an email reminder. Still need a Facebook
liaison for
A A A every chapter
A A A >>AA AA of POCA.
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Encouraging you all to please get a Facebook
account if you
A A A don't
A A A >>AA AA already have one, because your missing out on some
really
A A A good Pantera
A A A >>AA AA stuff...
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA I have made all these pages so far:
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA POCA Main FB page
A A A >>
A A A >>AA A
A A
A [1][7][13]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=
hl
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA SDP FB Page
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[2][8][14]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Full Throttle Panteras - made this for Don Byars
A A A >>
A A A >>AA A
A A
A [3][9][15]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57
170650
A A A 626227
A A A >>AA AA 6?ref=hl
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA AZ Panteras
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA [4][10][16]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Pantera Owners Club of New Zealand
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA [5][11][17]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA POCA Main Group Page
A A A >>
A A A >>AA A
A A
A [6][12][18]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmer
ica/
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA POCA Fun Rally Page
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[7][13][19]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA and here is my personal page:
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA [8][14][20]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA I've also made a Facebook page for each and every
chapter.
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Other pages:
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Foothill Panteras - Secret group
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[9][15][21]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Panteras Northwest
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[10][16][22]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA NY Panteras
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[11][17][23]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Jersey Panteras
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[12][18][24]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA DeTomaso Pantera USA
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[13][19][25]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA DeTomaso Pantera Summer Summit
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[14][20][26]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Strada Pantera
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[15][21][27]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA DeTomaso Friends
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[16][22][28]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA DeTomaso Registry
A A A >>
A A A >>AA A
A A
A [17][23][29]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222
512926
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA DeTomaso Club of France
A A A >>
A A A >>AA A
A A
A [18][24][30]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/1101527
42239
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA DeTomaso Owners of Australia
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[19][25][31]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Juni Okada of Team Pantera Japan - you have to see
what our
A A A Japanese
A A A >>AA AA counterparts are doing with their Panteras!!!
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[20][26][32]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA And many many more.
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA A lot of these popped up since I started ours,
some before.
A A A There are
A A A >>AA AA over 50 DeTomaso, Pantera, Mangusta, Longchamp,
etc related
A A A sites now.
A A A >>AA AA Many people are now using Facebook to ask
questions instead
A A A of the
A A A >>AA AA forums and websites. TRUE.
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Like this one:
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Clevelands Forever - [21][27][33]351c.net -
anything you ever
A A A wanted to know
A A A >>AA AA and didn't know about the 351C!
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA
[22][28][34]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Of course, if you are not on Facebook, you don't
have access
A A A to all of
A A A >>AA AA this great stuff!!
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Scared of Facebook? No reason to be.
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA This is the future of our great club!
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA In the meantime please enjoy this video of the
POCA Fun
A A A Rally in San
A A A >>AA AA Diego.
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Enjoy!
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA [23][29][35]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Ed Mendez
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
A A A >>
A A A >>A References
A A A >>
A A A >>AA AA 1.
A A
A [30][36]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
A A A >>AA AA 2.
[31][37]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
A A A >>AA AA 3.
A A
A [32][38]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717
065062
A A A 62276?ref=hl
A A A >>AA AA 4. [33][39]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
A A A >>AA AA 5. [34][40]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
A A A >>AA AA 6.
A A
A [35][41]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica
/
A A A >>AA AA 7.
[36][42]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
A A A >>AA AA 8. [37][43]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
A A A >>AA AA 9.
[38][44]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
A A A >>AA A 10.
[39][45]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
A A A >>AA A 11.
panterashttps://[40][46]www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
A A A >>AA A 12. [41][47]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
A A A >>AA A 13.
[42][48]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
A A A >>AA A 14.
[43][49]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
A A A >>AA A 15.
[44][50]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
A A A >>AA A 16.
[45][51]https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
A A A >>AA A 17.
A A
A [46][52]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/432225129
26
A A A >>AA A 18.
A A
A [47][53]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/11015274223
9
A A A >>AA A 19.
[48][54]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
A A A >>AA A 20.
[49][55]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
A A A >>AA A 21. [50][56]http://351c.net/
A A A >>AA A 22.
[51][57]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
A A A >>AA A 23. [52][58]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
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A A 1. mailto:[63]julian_kift at hotmail.com
A A 2. mailto:[64]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
A A 3. mailto:[65]edducati at mac.com
A A 4. mailto:[66]detomaso at poca.com
A A 5. mailto:[67]charlesmccall at gmail.com
A A 6. mailto:[68]edducati at mac.com
A A 7.
[69]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
A A 8. [70]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
A A 9.
[71]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
6227
A 10. [72]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
A 11. [73]https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
A 12.
[74]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
A 13. [75]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
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A 16. [78]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
A 17. [79]https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
A 18. [80]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
A 19. [81]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
A 20. [82]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
A 21. [83]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
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A 23.
[85]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
A 24.
[86]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
A 25. [87]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
A 26. [88]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
A 27. [89]http://351c.net/
A 28. [90]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
A 29. [91]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
A 30.
[92]https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
A 31. [93]https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
A 32.
[94]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
62276?ref=
hl
A 33. [95]https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
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A 35.
[97]https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
A 36. [98]https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
A 37. [99]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
A 38. [100]https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
A 39. [101]https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
A 40. [102]http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
A 41. [103]https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
A 42. [104]https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
A 43. [105]https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
A 44. [106]https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
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A 46.
[108]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
A 47.
[109]https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
A 48. [110]https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
A 49. [111]https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
A 50. [112]http://351c.net/
A 51. [113]https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
A 52. [114]http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
A 53. mailto:[115]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 54. [116]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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References
1. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
2. http://www.racingagainstautism.com/
3. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
4. http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
6. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
7. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
8. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
9. mailto:edducati at mac.com
10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
11. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
12. mailto:edducati at mac.com
13. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
14. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
15. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650
16. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
17. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
18. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
19. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
20. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
21. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
22. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
23. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
24. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
25. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
26. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
27. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
28. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
29. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
30. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
31. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
32. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
33. http://351c.net/
34. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
35. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
36. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
37. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
38. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/5717065062
39. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
40. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
41. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
42. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
43. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
44. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
45. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
46. http://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
47. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
48. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
49. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
50. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
51. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
52. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
53. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
54. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
55. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
56. http://351c.net/
57. https://www.facebook.com/groups/263768747684/
58. http://youtu.be/8u1AT6X74fw
59. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
60. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
61. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
62. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
63. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
64. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
65. mailto:edducati at mac.com
66. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
67. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
68. mailto:edducati at mac.com
69. https://www.facebook.com/PanteraOwnersClubOfAmerica?ref=hl
70. https://www.facebook.com/sandiegopanteras?ref=hl
71. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Full-Throttle-Panteras/57170650626227
72. https://www.facebook.com/AZPOCA?ref=hl
73. https://www.facebook.com/POCANZ?ref=hl
74. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PanteraOwnersClubofAmerica/
75. https://www.facebook.com/groups/POCAFunRally/
76. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
77. https://www.facebook.com/groups/346579745456553/
78. https://www.facebook.com/PanterasNorthwest
79. https://www.facebook.com/ny.pantera?fref=ts
80. https://www.facebook.com/jerseypanteras
81. https://www.facebook.com/groups/305681189562337/
82. https://www.facebook.com/groups/380369945370607/
83. https://www.facebook.com/groups/361191177228694/
84. https://www.facebook.com/groups/112749215455769/
85. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeTomaso-Registry/43222512926
86. https://www.facebook.com/pages/DETOMASO-FRANCE/110152742239
87. https://www.facebook.com/australianpanteras
88. https://www.facebook.com/TeamPanteraOfJapan
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