[DeTomaso] Air Cleaners - OEM

Dennis Valdez sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com
Mon Feb 1 18:13:17 EST 2016


Interesting topic here!  My car #7260 has a chrome top and blue body with the snorkel pointing at the passenger seat. (this is the car in Garth's previous post).  I found a post in the P.I. forum from the previous owner of my car that said he bought it with a blue cover and changed it to chrome thinking it was supposed to be chrome per other late build L's.
So, from the posts in this thread it is not clear if there is a time in late production where the factory switched from chrome lids to blue lids although we know the cars were not always built in numerical order:  
#5326 Chrome lid#6859 Blue lid#7080 Chrome lid#7260 Chrome lid (perhaps blue?) #7366 Blue lid
Dennis7260




 

    On Friday, January 29, 2016 3:48 PM, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
 

   Following is a summary compiled from past posts on the subject of
  "original air cleaners."  Special thanks to Barry Sieb who has done
  most of the research into the subject and posted the distinctions
  between the various air cleaner models in the archives.  Posts by Mike
  Drew and Steve Liebenow were also significant to this aggregation.
  There were at least 3 different factory air cleaners used on the 71-74
  Ford program Panteras. The orientation of the snorkel was changed
  several times, pointing in different directions.
  Details:
  1. It seems the first type was all plain blue, lid and bottom, and came
  on push-button cars and continued through the cars that had the closed
  chamber heads, the square bore 4300A Motorcraft carb and single point
  ignition. These were the 1971 models with the 4V engines (up to car
  #2292 maybe). The air intake snorkel was at about 8 oclock pointing
  rearward on the left hand side. It looks like a standard Ford air
  cleaner with the positions of things moved around to suit a mid-engined
  car.  The earlier cars before #2292 took C8AZ9601A (FA-50).
  Note that the original air cleaner on Forest Majors' Pantera (#2242)
  built Oct 1971 with the 4V closed chamber heads had the chrome plated
  lid and blue bottom/base.
  2. The second type had a chrome plated lid and the bottom was blue. It
  was obviously a modified Mustang/Cougar part. The air inlet is at about
  8 o'clock on the left-hand side. The snorkel and heat stove are both in
  different locations from the Mustang 351CJ. The standard cut outs are
  blocked with riveted plates. These air cleaners came on the engines
  from 1972 that had the 4300D and the dual point distributors and 4 bolt
  mains. Both pre-L and L cars in 1972 appear to have had this type past
  car #4000. All the air cleaners after #2292 used the same filter
  according to Ford (DOGY9601A  Autolite/Motorcraft FA-74).
  3. The third type came on later product L model cars and is the same as
  type 2, except the air inlet snorkel is pointing to the passenger side
  front with a duct attached to pick up cooler air near the ground at the
  firewall behind the passenger seat (1973-74).
  Is it a Mustang air cleaner? Some have purported that the Pantera air
  cleaner may simply be the same air cleaner, spun around 180 degrees -
  pointing either towards the front-right or rear-left of the engine
  depending on the application. HOWEVER, you cannot spin the air cleaner
  180 degrees as the dent for clearing the distributor cap ends up on the
  wrong side (there's no dent on the opposite side of the air cleaner
  base).  In addition there's a relief on the bottom side of the air
  cleaner to clear the carb linkage which is absent on the other side as
  well.
    Note: The Ford parts book lists three different air cleaner
  assemblies:
      a. Before serial number 2292 (#1 above?)
      b. 2292 to 3756
      c. And from 4840.  Which begs the question... what about the cars
  between 3756-4840? (#
  4. There were different types used on European and post-Ford era cars,
  but info on them is limited.
  Post Ford-era air cleaners may have a black wrinkle finish on the base
  with a chrome plated lid. These were possibly to match the finish on
  the B&M produced Hall Pantera "DeTomaso" valve covers with the black
  crinkle finish.  Gary Hall once reported that the factory bought a
  bunch of those air cleaners from him in the 80's.
  Now before you all run out to the wrecking yards to try and find
  original Ford air cleaners to use as Pantera versions, take note...
  Since the Pantera motor was a Mustang/Cougar motor used from 1971-on in
  those models, they likely received the same air cleaners on them when
  the shipping pallets arrived in Modena. They are special to those model
  cars as well!  While "based" on the air cleaners used in thousands of
  other Ford cars, they have that little vacuum motor for fresh air
  intake on the side! Some of you would recognize this option from the
  "Q" code 428 cars of 1969 and 1970, and the Boss 302's that didn't get
  shakers.  Ford continued this same feature in the 4V equipped Mustangs
  from 71-73. They are unique in that they have the rest of the vacuum
  and charcoal vent tubes, and hot air intake stuff, plus that little
  vacuum operated door on the side. That is what sets them apart from the
  rest. These were the Q-code air cleaners that were used in these later
  years.
  "M" code air cleaners are the plain type used on 2V and 4V engines
  interchangeably.  They were used on the Boss, CJ, and HO models of
  Mustangs and Cougars, making them somewhat valuable to the restorers.
  Now, DeTomaso may have moved the air intake snorkel around to face
  rearward, but they also built odd tin shrouds around this "extra" ram
  air intake too.  We have seen some air cleaners that seemed to have two
  extra shields on them for some reason or another.  Having been modified
  so much, they would have little to restorers of vintage Mustangs except
  for parts to fix theirs.
  Sources:
  [1]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023420.htm
  l
  [2]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2013-March/068693.html
  [3]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023432.htm
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  [4]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023433.htm
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  [5]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023531.htm
  l
  [6]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023525.htm
  l
  Forgive me if I've missed material information on this subject or
  failed to give someone credit.  This is NOT MY RESEARCH, but rather a
  summary of the research of others.  Hopefully it helps shed some light
  on the subject.
  Please add to this thread if you have more information or pictures to
  share.

  Cheers!
  Garth
  #4033

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   Interesting topic here!  My car #7260 has a chrome top and blue body
   with the snorkel pointing at the passenger seat. (this is the car in
   Garth's previous post).  I found a post in the P.I. forum from the
   previous owner of my car that said he bought it with a blue cover and
   changed it to chrome thinking it was supposed to be chrome per other
   late build L's.
   So, from the posts in this thread it is not clear if there is a time in
   late production where the factory switched from chrome lids to blue
   lids although we know the cars were not always built in numerical
   order:
   #5326 Chrome lid
   #6859 Blue lid
   #7080 Chrome lid
   #7260 Chrome lid (perhaps blue?)
   #7366 Blue lid
   Dennis
   7260
   On Friday, January 29, 2016 3:48 PM, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso
   <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
     Following is a summary compiled from past posts on the subject of
     "original air cleaners."  Special thanks to Barry Sieb who has done
     most of the research into the subject and posted the distinctions
     between the various air cleaner models in the archives.  Posts by
   Mike
     Drew and Steve Liebenow were also significant to this aggregation.
     There were at least 3 different factory air cleaners used on the
   71-74
     Ford program Panteras. The orientation of the snorkel was changed
     several times, pointing in different directions.
     Details:
     1. It seems the first type was all plain blue, lid and bottom, and
   came
     on push-button cars and continued through the cars that had the
   closed
     chamber heads, the square bore 4300A Motorcraft carb and single point
     ignition. These were the 1971 models with the 4V engines (up to car
     #2292 maybe). The air intake snorkel was at about 8 oclock pointing
     rearward on the left hand side. It looks like a standard Ford air
     cleaner with the positions of things moved around to suit a
   mid-engined
     car.  The earlier cars before #2292 took C8AZ9601A (FA-50).
     Note that the original air cleaner on Forest Majors' Pantera (#2242)
     built Oct 1971 with the 4V closed chamber heads had the chrome plated
     lid and blue bottom/base.
     2. The second type had a chrome plated lid and the bottom was blue.
   It
     was obviously a modified Mustang/Cougar part. The air inlet is at
   about
     8 o'clock on the left-hand side. The snorkel and heat stove are both
   in
     different locations from the Mustang 351CJ. The standard cut outs are
     blocked with riveted plates. These air cleaners came on the engines
     from 1972 that had the 4300D and the dual point distributors and 4
   bolt
     mains. Both pre-L and L cars in 1972 appear to have had this type
   past
     car #4000. All the air cleaners after #2292 used the same filter
     according to Ford (DOGY9601A  Autolite/Motorcraft FA-74).
     3. The third type came on later product L model cars and is the same
   as
     type 2, except the air inlet snorkel is pointing to the passenger
   side
     front with a duct attached to pick up cooler air near the ground at
   the
     firewall behind the passenger seat (1973-74).
     Is it a Mustang air cleaner? Some have purported that the Pantera air
     cleaner may simply be the same air cleaner, spun around 180 degrees -
     pointing either towards the front-right or rear-left of the engine
     depending on the application. HOWEVER, you cannot spin the air
   cleaner
     180 degrees as the dent for clearing the distributor cap ends up on
   the
     wrong side (there's no dent on the opposite side of the air cleaner
     base).  In addition there's a relief on the bottom side of the air
     cleaner to clear the carb linkage which is absent on the other side
   as
     well.
       Note: The Ford parts book lists three different air cleaner
     assemblies:
         a. Before serial number 2292 (#1 above?)
         b. 2292 to 3756
         c. And from 4840.  Which begs the question... what about the cars
     between 3756-4840? (#
     4. There were different types used on European and post-Ford era
   cars,
     but info on them is limited.
     Post Ford-era air cleaners may have a black wrinkle finish on the
   base
     with a chrome plated lid. These were possibly to match the finish on
     the B&M produced Hall Pantera "DeTomaso" valve covers with the black
     crinkle finish.  Gary Hall once reported that the factory bought a
     bunch of those air cleaners from him in the 80's.
     Now before you all run out to the wrecking yards to try and find
     original Ford air cleaners to use as Pantera versions, take note...
     Since the Pantera motor was a Mustang/Cougar motor used from 1971-on
   in
     those models, they likely received the same air cleaners on them when
     the shipping pallets arrived in Modena. They are special to those
   model
     cars as well!  While "based" on the air cleaners used in thousands of
     other Ford cars, they have that little vacuum motor for fresh air
     intake on the side! Some of you would recognize this option from the
     "Q" code 428 cars of 1969 and 1970, and the Boss 302's that didn't
   get
     shakers.  Ford continued this same feature in the 4V equipped
   Mustangs
     from 71-73. They are unique in that they have the rest of the vacuum
     and charcoal vent tubes, and hot air intake stuff, plus that little
     vacuum operated door on the side. That is what sets them apart from
   the
     rest. These were the Q-code air cleaners that were used in these
   later
     years.
     "M" code air cleaners are the plain type used on 2V and 4V engines
     interchangeably.  They were used on the Boss, CJ, and HO models of
     Mustangs and Cougars, making them somewhat valuable to the restorers.
     Now, DeTomaso may have moved the air intake snorkel around to face
     rearward, but they also built odd tin shrouds around this "extra" ram
     air intake too.  We have seen some air cleaners that seemed to have
   two
     extra shields on them for some reason or another.  Having been
   modified
     so much, they would have little to restorers of vintage Mustangs
   except
     for parts to fix theirs.
     Sources:

   [1][1]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023420.
   htm
     l

   [2][2]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2013-March/068693.htm
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   [3][3]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023432.
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   [4][4]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023433.
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   [5][5]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023531.
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     l

   [6][6]http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2009-February/023525.
   htm
     l
     Forgive me if I've missed material information on this subject or
     failed to give someone credit.  This is NOT MY RESEARCH, but rather a
     summary of the research of others.  Hopefully it helps shed some
   light
     on the subject.
     Please add to this thread if you have more information or pictures to
     share.
     Cheers!
     Garth
     #4033
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