[DeTomaso] resignations
Charles Engles
cengles at cox.net
Tue Aug 16 18:56:00 EDT 2016
Dear Dick, Stephen, Ken, Judy and Larry: Amen. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Dick Koch
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 5:46 PM
To: Stephen
Cc: detomaso; laurie Basile
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
Stephen, thank you for saying what I was about to say.
If folks want to continue to rant about this, do the courteous thing, do it
offline and don't burden the rest of the world with a subject that the BOD
will hopefully sort out and do the right thing, putting personality
conflicts aside and implementing the needed changes to improve the club.
Dick Koch - Atlanta
On Aug 16, 2016 2:28 PM, "Stephen" <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
> So, when, exactly, did we stop beating our spouses???
>
>
> Effie - gads - you have the names of the printers! Call them - short
> of that I can assure you any good photographer can modify a document so
> you will not be able to know what is real and what is not.
>
>
> Let's stop the witch hunt - look at the folks who stood up to the
> shortt. Think about how long they have been a part of POCA. Are they
> out for personal gain in standing up to a person who made way too many
> folks want to quit?
>
>
> If you or others wish to continue the witch hunt - please start a new
> thread, with the initials MS in front of the subject. That way I can
> route all e-mails associated with the thread to my trash bin.
>
>
> I'm going to go back to working on 5332 and hope this whole nightmare
> will just go away.
>
>
> Stephen Nelson
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf Of Effie Richards
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 10:30 AM
> To: 'Charles McCall' <charlesmccall at gmail.com>; 'marshallgsmith'
> <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: 'detomaso' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; 'laurie Basile'
> <laurieferrari at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
>
> Where are the actual proposals/quotes from the printers, not the ones
> the editor posted here. Those as they appear, could have been
> manipulated - I'm not accusing anyone, I am just saying, as any court
> would say - an experienced editor like Jack could add or delete to
> create and post what he did here. Since there are many still
> questioning the printer cost, let's see the actual bids.
>
>
>
> From: Charles McCall [[1]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com]
>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 12:08 AM
>
> To: marshallgsmith
>
> Cc: Michael Haney; Judith McCartney; Effie Richards; Julian Kift;
> detomaso; laurie Basile
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
>
>
> You did all read the info sent by Judy McCartney last week with Jack's
> explanation?
>
>
>
> Re-sent here in case you didn't see it. Please open the attachment - I
> promise no viruses are included
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 8:20 AM, marshallgsmith
> <[2]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hey Michael,
>
>
> I think the best way to put this controversy to bed is if you or
> your
>
> dad could speak about not being cooperative in regards to the the
> use
>
> of another printer that supposedly afforded the club an $8,000
> savings.
>
> That really seems to be the only issue that continues this
> controversy
>
> and I still haven't heard either of you discuss the allegation. I'm
>
> sure your response will cut this thread for good and allow us all to
>
> move on with the rebuilding of this great club.
>
>
> Marshall Smith
>
>
> President, San Diego Panteras
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
>
> From: Michael Haney <[3]paso750 at gmail.com>
>
> Date: 8/15/16 10:36 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
> To: 'Judith McCartney' <[4]jpoca2 at hotmail.com>, 'Effie Richards'
>
> <[5]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>, 'Julian Kift'
>
> <[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>
> Cc: [7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com, 'laurie Basile'
>
> <[8]laurieferrari at aol.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
> Thank you very much, Judy.
>
> I really wish this thread would just die.
>
> I know that this isn't the answer you're fishing for, but it'll have
> to
>
> do
>
> since it's the truth.
>
> Nancy quit and took her associate (me) with her because she was
> tired
>
> of
>
> hearing from me all about Shortt's efforts to take over every aspect
> of
>
> POCA.
>
> I didn't fight her decision because I was in turn tired of Shortt's
>
> intimidation and bullying tactics. Frankly, being on the Board
> wasn't
>
> fun
>
> anymore and I was also very tired of Shortt's constant preening.
>
> As a matter of record, I resigned from the Board BEFORE Profiles #3
>
> even
>
> went to the printer. I had nearly finished it and decided that I
> didn't
>
> want
>
> to let the POCA members down. I really didn't want to contribute any
>
> more to
>
> Shortt's regime, but my conscience won.
>
> Even after I sent the magazine in, I still had to deal with Shortt.
> He
>
> decided to interfere with the printer, sent them a database with a
>
> whole
>
> bunch of problematic info and threaten nonpayment if he didn't get
>
> preliminary proofs. How do I know this? I received a call while I
> was
>
> at
>
> work from the woman working in Allegra Printing's mail room. She
> called
>
> Shortt and he wouldn't help her with the database and ignored her
>
> questions.
>
> Having no one else to call, she called me. I in turn contacted Judy,
>
> our
>
> Membership Director, who fixed the problems that Shortt created.
>
> Regarding Shortt's allegations of graft, if anyone can find a
>
> connection
>
> between my family and anyone who EVER worked at Allegra Printing in
>
> Reno,
>
> Nevada, (or indeed any of Allegra's branches) please let me know.
>
> My Dad might respond as well, but he's been pretty busy caring for
> my
>
> SERIOUSLY ill Mom who was in the hospital for the last two weeks and
>
> who
>
> might finally be able to come back home in a couple more.
>
> Now, can we finally put this "controversy" to rest?
>
> Mike Haney
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
>
> Behalf
>
> Of Judith McCartney
>
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 8:44 PM
>
> To: Effie Richards; Julian Kift
>
> Cc: [10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; laurie Basile
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
> Mike Haney gave his resignation months way head of Jacks, two diff
>
> reasons.
>
> Judith McCartney, Membership Director & Fun Rally coordinator.
>
> > From: [11]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
>
> > Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 18:43:43 -0700
>
> > To: [12]julian_kift at hotmail.com
>
> > CC: [13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
> [14]laurieferrari at aol.com
>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
> >
>
> > Julian these are the same questions some of us have had and have
> been
>
> waiting for a reply or statement. I'm willing to give the board some
>
> time to
>
> come up with one.
>
> >
>
> > Sent from Effie's iPad
>
> >
>
> > > On Aug 15, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Julian Kift
> <[15]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > I have digested all the emails on this topic and to be honest
> it
>
> still
>
> > > doesn't sit well in my gut.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > Presumably the BOD voted in favor of changing printers based
> upon
>
> the
>
> > > quotes presented. Did they not have all the facts and
>
> > > if not why did they not question further? Did Jack have all
> the
>
> facts
>
> w
>
> > > hen he resigned or were his and Mike Haney's resignations
> simply
>
> an
>
> > > outright stand against changing printer?
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > Why did Michael push to change printer if he knew there was
> only
>
> > > pennies between it?
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > Julian
>
> > >
>
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> > >
>
> > > From: DeTomaso <[16]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
> on
>
> behalf of
>
> > > marshall smith <[17]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>
> > > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:11 AM
>
> > > To: [18]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
> [19]laurieferrari at aol.com
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
> > >
>
> > > I find it funny that three months after the Fun Rally we are
> now
>
> > > hearing that Shortt's bid for printing did not include
> shipping.
>
> Shortt
>
> > > is a lot of things but a mistake like this...?
>
> > > I was listening in on this meeting also and I know what I
> heard.
>
> > > Apparently, the board convinced 'some' members of this
> so-called
>
> > > discrepancy month's ago. Why wasn't this information, if it
>
> exists,
>
> > > relayed to ALL of us in a timely manner?
>
> > > Marshall
>
> > >
>
> > > --------------------------------------------
>
> > > On Mon, 8/15/16, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
>
> > > <[20]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
> > > To: [21]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > Date: Monday, August 15, 2016, 9:57 AM
>
> > >
>
> > > Dear AJ,
>
> > >
>
> > > I have always respected you and your
>
> > > opinions but in this case you are
>
> > > incorrect as far as the resignation of
>
> > > Jack DeRyke. I was on the Board
>
> > > of Directors' conference call where he was
>
> > > asked to stay and he
>
> > > adamantly refused to if the printer
>
> > > changed. Jack's resignation was
>
> > > specifically because of the change in
>
> > > printer! You can go research
>
> > > that phone conference call, or the minutes
>
> > > of the meeting, as the facts
>
> > > are saved. As far as Mike Haney's
>
> > > resignation, that was done by his
>
> > > Mrs. for their reasons which most likely
>
> > > were aligned with their
>
> > > parents.
>
> > >
>
> > > Laurie
>
> > >
>
> > > In a message dated 8/13/2016
>
> > > 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,?
>
> > > [1][22]asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > writes:
>
> > > The last? I heard (and I may have
>
> > > heard wrong), the board was
>
> > > interested
>
> > > in doing a? -real- accounting
>
> > > comparison of printing costs, so for
>
> > > me,
>
> > > it's a wait and? see kind of
>
> > > thing.? I agree, if POCA was missing
>
> > > out on
>
> > > full-color? and paying $8,000 more
>
> > > for B/W then something is amiss.?
>
> > > However, I? also believe Mr. Shortt
>
> > > didn't account for all costs
>
> > > properly.? I? have more faith that
>
> > > the present board members will
>
> > > properly investigate? and sort it
>
> > > out for everyone.
>
> > > I am on-board with electronic
>
> > > delivery,? though I do admit it's nice
>
> > > to
>
> > > just sit back and read a paper
>
> > > copy? too.? It's also easier to
>
> > > hand-off
>
> > > to Sam so he can read it? later.?
>
> > > How do you really fix that?
>
> > > I would think (and I don't? know),
>
> > > that the ClubExpress membership
>
> > > database might be able to include
>
> > > a? "preference" as part of the
>
> > > member's
>
> > > profile or details.? Just as I? can
>
> > > set an address and phone number,
>
> > > if I
>
> > > could check a box for Electronic?
>
> > > delivery or paper copies, or both,
>
> > > and
>
> > > select whatever I wanted for each?
>
> > > item (Profiles versus
>
> > > Newsletter),
>
> > > that might be ideal.
>
> > > However,? I'm also familiar with
>
> > > quantity discounting.? It very well
>
> > > could be? that it costs the same
>
> > > amount to print 500 as it does to
>
> > > print
>
> > > 50, or 10? (but I doubt it).? I
>
> > > imagine those are considerations the
>
> > > board will? look at as well.
>
> > > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie
>
> > > has claimed, I have? heard (from
>
> > > more
>
> > > than one person), that Jack and
>
> > > Mike did not resign? "because POCA
>
> > > changed printers;" it was over
>
> > > "control" of newsletter? content that
>
> > > in
>
> > > essence fell outside the bounds of
>
> > > the by-laws.? For? a guy that
>
> > > appeared
>
> > > to try very hard to get everyone
>
> > > else to follow the? by-laws (and
>
> > > it's
>
> > > unwritten code of ethics), Mr.
>
> > > Shortt certainly didn't? feel they
>
> > > applied
>
> > > to him.
>
> > > For the record, as I understand it,
>
> > > POCA? has changed printers
>
> > > -twice-
>
> > > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
> > > related? to the DeRykes) got out
>
> > > of
>
> > > the business.? So the "family
>
> > > tie-in"? previously eluded to, was not
>
> > > a
>
> > > factor in the resignations.
>
> > > Just my? $1.50? (two cents adjusted
>
> > > for inflation)
>
> > > Asa? Jay
>
> > > Asa Jay? Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt,
>
> > > USAFR, Retired
>
> > > &? Shelley? Mar
>
> > >
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
>
> > > From: detomaso-request
>
> <[23]detomaso-request at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> > > To: detomaso <[24]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> > > Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2016 9:00 am
>
> > > Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue
>
> > > 20
>
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> > > 1. Re: Newsletters, cost, paper vs.
>
> > > electronic (marshallgsmith)
>
> > > 2. Re: De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay!
>
> > > again $250K!! (Michael Cox)
>
> > > 3. Re: Newsletters, cost, paper vs.
>
> > > electronic (Stephen)
>
> > >
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> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > > ---
>
> > > Message: 1
>
> > > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:27:43 -0700
>
> > > From: marshallgsmith <[6][29]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>
> > > To: [7][30]P6746 at aol.com, [8][31]asajay at asajay.com,
>
> > > [9][32]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
>
> > > paper vs. electronic
>
> > > Message-ID:
>
> > >
>
> <[10][33]sdxpj9k7caacwyvlamgw7uly.1471231663405 at email.android.com>
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>
> > > I have a couple questions Bob:
>
> > >> Calling this situation "multiple dues
>
> > > levels" seems to be making the
>
> > > issue too complex. There are some members
>
> > > that are opting to not have
>
> > > printed magazines mailed which should make
>
> > > those members eligible for a
>
> > > discount because of the savings.
>
> > >> What is your estimate of the length
>
> > > of time that it would take the
>
> > > board to arrange for a vote of the
>
> > > membership to change the bylaws to
>
> > > allow for this discount?
>
> > >> Who specifically made that
>
> > > apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
>
> > >> I agree that the editors should have
>
> > > the most influence ?on the
>
> > > process. ?However, our editors of both
>
> > > publications seem to have a hard
>
> > > time reporting to the members about ANY
>
> > > issues pertaining to the
>
> > > publication's themselves. Might that
>
> > > change in the near future or will
>
> > > radio silence be the norm here?
>
> > > Marshall Smith
>
> > > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
> > > -------- Original message --------
>
> > > From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
>
> <[11][34]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> > > Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
> > > To: [12][35]asajay at asajay.com,
>
> > > [13][36]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
>
> > > paper vs. electronic
>
> > > To use a cliche, we're working on it.?
>
> > > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
>
> > > pipeline.?? However, there
>
> > > are
>
> > > restrictions, particularly with the
>
> > > By-Laws as they currently? stand.?
>
> > > There
>
> > > are no provisions for multiple dues
>
> > > levels,? particularly pertaining to
>
> > > how a
>
> > > member elects to have their club?
>
> > > publications delivered, etc.? That
>
> > > will
>
> > > take time as any changes or? amendments
>
> > > must be approved by the whole
>
> > > membership.
>
> > > The consensus seems to be that the
>
> > > Profiles would? continue as a print
>
> > > publication for all except foreign members
>
> > > who elect to? receive it
>
> > > digitally.?
>
> > > As far as printing is concerned, it is
>
> > > that first copy that is? so
>
> > > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
>
> > > that bring down the per unit?
>
> > > cost.? So as
>
> > > fewer units are produced and shipped, the
>
> > > cost per unit? increases but
>
> > > not
>
> > > proportionately.??
>
> > > An apples to apples comparison was made
>
> > > between an online? printer and
>
> > > the
>
> > > current printer for both printing and
>
> > > mailing and the difference? was
>
> > > pennies.? That wasn't pennies per unit but
>
> > > for the whole run.?
>
> > > As far as I am concerned, it is the
>
> > > editors who should have? the most
>
> > > influence as to how and where their
>
> > > product is produced.? They are? the
>
> > > ones who
>
> > > must work with the printers and mailing
>
> > > houses on a regular? basis.
>
> > > Bob Reid?
>
> > > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
>
> > > Eastern Daylight Time,?
>
> > > [14][37]asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > writes:
>
> > > The last? I heard (and I may have heard
>
> > > wrong), the board was
>
> > > interested
>
> > > in doing a? -real- accounting comparison
>
> > > of printing costs, so for me,
>
> > > it's a wait and? see kind of thing.? I
>
> > > agree, if POCA was missing out
>
> > > on
>
> > > full-color? and paying $8,000 more for B/W
>
> > > then something is amiss.?
>
> > > However, I? also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
>
> > > account for all costs
>
> > > properly.? I? have more faith that the
>
> > > present board members will
>
> > > properly investigate? and sort it out for
>
> > > everyone.
>
> > > I am on-board with electronic delivery,?
>
> > > though I do admit it's nice to
>
> > > just sit back and read a paper copy? too.?
>
> > > It's also easier to hand-off
>
> > > to Sam so he can read it? later.? How do
>
> > > you really fix that?
>
> > > I would think (and I don't? know), that
>
> > > the ClubExpress membership
>
> > > database might be able to include a?
>
> > > "preference" as part of the
>
> > > member's
>
> > > profile or details.? Just as I? can set an
>
> > > address and phone number, if
>
> > > I
>
> > > could check a box for Electronic? delivery
>
> > > or paper copies, or both,
>
> > > and
>
> > > select whatever I wanted for each? item
>
> > > (Profiles versus Newsletter),
>
> > > that might be ideal.
>
> > > However,? I'm also familiar with quantity
>
> > > discounting.? It very well
>
> > > could be? that it costs the same amount to
>
> > > print 500 as it does to
>
> > > print
>
> > > 50, or 10? (but I doubt it).? I imagine
>
> > > those are considerations the
>
> > > board will? look at as well.
>
> > > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
>
> > > claimed, I have? heard (from
>
> > > more
>
> > > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
>
> > > not resign? "because POCA
>
> > > changed printers;" it was over "control"
>
> > > of newsletter? content that in
>
> > > essence fell outside the bounds of the
>
> > > by-laws.? For? a guy that
>
> > > appeared
>
> > > to try very hard to get everyone else to
>
> > > follow the? by-laws (and it's
>
> > > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
>
> > > certainly didn't? feel they
>
> > > applied
>
> > > to him.
>
> > > For the record, as I understand it, POCA?
>
> > > has changed printers -twice-
>
> > > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
> > > related? to the DeRykes) got out of
>
> > > the business.? So the "family tie-in"?
>
> > > previously eluded to, was not a
>
> > > factor in the resignations.
>
> > > Just my? $1.50? (two cents adjusted for
>
> > > inflation)
>
> > > Asa? Jay
>
> > > Asa Jay? Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
>
> > > Retired
>
> > > &? Shelley? Marie
>
> > > Spokane,? WA
>
> > > ******************************
>
> > > [15][38]http://w7tsc.org
>
> > > [16][39]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
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> > > are
>
> > > ?? restrictions, particularly with the
>
> > > By-Laws as they currently stand.
>
> > > ?? There are no provisions for multiple
>
> > > dues levels,
>
> > > ?? particularly pertaining to how a member
>
> > > elects to have their club
>
> > > ?? publications delivered, etc.? That will
>
> > > take time as any changes or
>
> > > ?? amendments must be approved by the
>
> > > whole membership.
>
> > > ?? The consensus seems to be that the
>
> > > Profiles would continue as a
>
> > > print
>
> > > ?? publication for all except foreign
>
> > > members who elect to receive it
>
> > > ?? digitally.
>
> > > ?? As far as printing is concerned, it is
>
> > > that first copy that is so
>
> > > ?? expensive, it is the subsequent copies
>
> > > that bring down the per unit
>
> > > ?? cost.? So as fewer units are produced
>
> > > and shipped, the cost per unit
>
> > > ?? increases but not proportionately.
>
> > > ?? An apples to apples comparison was made
>
> > > between an online printer
>
> > > and
>
> > > ?? the current printer for both printing
>
> > > and mailing and the difference
>
> > > ?? was pennies.? That wasn't pennies per
>
> > > unit but for the whole run.
>
> > > ?? As far as I am concerned, it is the
>
> > > editors who should have the most
>
> > > ?? influence as to how and where their
>
> > > product is produced.? They are
>
> > > the
>
> > > ?? ones who must work with the printers
>
> > > and mailing houses on a regular
>
> > > ?? basis.
>
> > > ?? Bob Reid
>
> > > ?? In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24
>
> > > P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>
> > > ?? [19][42]asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > writes:
>
> > > ???? The last I heard (and I may have
>
> > > heard wrong), the board was
>
> > > ???? interested
>
> > > ???? in doing a -real- accounting
>
> > > comparison of printing costs, so for
>
> > > ???? me,
>
> > > ???? it's a wait and see kind of thing.? I
>
> > > agree, if POCA was missing
>
> > > out
>
> > > ???? on
>
> > > ???? full-color and paying $8,000 more for
>
> > > B/W then something is amiss.
>
> > > ???? However, I also believe Mr. Shortt
>
> > > didn't account for all costs
>
> > > ???? properly.? I have more faith that the
>
> > > present board members will
>
> > > ???? properly investigate and sort it out
>
> > > for everyone.
>
> > > ???? I am on-board with electronic
>
> > > delivery, though I do admit it's
>
> > > nice
>
> > > ???? to
>
> > > ???? just sit back and read a paper copy
>
> > > too.? It's also easier to
>
> > > ???? hand-off
>
> > > ???? to Sam so he can read it later.? How
>
> > > do you really fix that?
>
> > > ???? I would think (and I don't know),
>
> > > that the ClubExpress membership
>
> > > ???? database might be able to include a
>
> > > "preference" as part of the
>
> > > ???? member's
>
> > > ???? profile or details.? Just as I can
>
> > > set an address and phone
>
> > > number,
>
> > > ???? if I
>
> > > ???? could check a box for Electronic
>
> > > delivery or paper copies, or
>
> > > both,
>
> > > ???? and
>
> > > ???? select whatever I wanted for each
>
> > > item (Profiles versus
>
> > > Newsletter),
>
> > > ???? that might be ideal.
>
> > > ???? However, I'm also familiar with
>
> > > quantity discounting.? It very
>
> > > well
>
> > > ???? could be that it costs the same
>
> > > amount to print 500 as it does to
>
> > > ???? print
>
> > > ???? 50, or 10 (but I doubt it).? I
>
> > > imagine those are considerations
>
> > > the
>
> > > ???? board will look at as well.
>
> > > ???? Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie
>
> > > has claimed, I have heard (from
>
> > > ???? more
>
> > > ???? than one person), that Jack and Mike
>
> > > did not resign "because POCA
>
> > > ???? changed printers;" it was over
>
> > > "control" of newsletter content
>
> > > that
>
> > > ???? in
>
> > > ???? essence fell outside the bounds of
>
> > > the by-laws.? For a guy that
>
> > > ???? appeared
>
> > > ???? to try very hard to get everyone else
>
> > > to follow the by-laws (and
>
> > > ???? it's
>
> > > ???? unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
>
> > > certainly didn't feel they
>
> > > ???? applied
>
> > > ???? to him.
>
> > > ???? For the record, as I understand it,
>
> > > POCA has changed printers
>
> > > ???? -twice-
>
> > > ???? since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
> > > related to the DeRykes) got
>
> > > out
>
> > > ???? of
>
> > > ???? the business.? So the "family tie-in"
>
> > > previously eluded to, was
>
> > > not
>
> > > ???? a
>
> > > ???? factor in the resignations.
>
> > > ???? Just my $1.50? (two cents adjusted
>
> > > for inflation)
>
> > > ???? Asa? Jay
>
> > > ???? Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt,
>
> > > USAFR, Retired
>
> > > ???? &? Shelley Marie
>
> > > ???? Spokane, WA
>
> > > ???? ******************************
>
> > > ???? [20][43]http://w7tsc.org
>
> > > ???? [21][44]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> > > ????
>
> > > _______________________________________________
>
> > > ???? Detomaso Email List is not managed by
>
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>
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>
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> > > -------------- next part --------------
>
> > > I have a couple questions Bob:
>
> > >> Calling this situation "multiple dues
>
> > > levels" seems to be making the
>
> > > issue too complex. There are some members
>
> > > that are opting to not have
>
> > > printed magazines mailed which should make
>
> > > those members eligible for a
>
> > > discount because of the savings.
>
> > >> What is your estimate of the length
>
> > > of time that it would take the
>
> > > board to arrange for a vote of the
>
> > > membership to change the bylaws to
>
> > > allow for this discount?
>
> > >> Who specifically made that
>
> > > apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
>
> > >> I agree that the editors should have
>
> > > the most influence on the
>
> > > process. However, our editors of both
>
> > > publications seem to have a hard
>
> > > time reporting to the members about ANY
>
> > > issues pertaining to the
>
> > > publication's themselves. Might that
>
> > > change in the near future or will
>
> > > radio silence be the norm here?
>
> > > Marshall Smith
>
> > > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
> > > -------- Original message --------
>
> > > From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
>
> <[26][49]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> > > Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
> > > To: [27][50]asajay at asajay.com,
>
> > > [28][51]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
>
> > > paper vs. electronic
>
> > > To use a cliche, we're working on it.
>
> > > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
>
> > > pipeline. However, there
>
> > > are
>
> > > restrictions, particularly with the
>
> > > By-Laws as they currently stand.
>
> > > There
>
> > > are no provisions for multiple dues
>
> > > levels, particularly pertaining to
>
> > > how a
>
> > > member elects to have their club
>
> > > publications delivered, etc. That
>
> > > will
>
> > > take time as any changes or amendments
>
> > > must be approved by the whole
>
> > > membership.
>
> > > The consensus seems to be that the
>
> > > Profiles would continue as a print
>
> > > publication for all except foreign members
>
> > > who elect to receive it
>
> > > digitally.
>
> > > As far as printing is concerned, it is
>
> > > that first copy that is so
>
> > > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
>
> > > that bring down the per unit
>
> > > cost. So as
>
> > > fewer units are produced and shipped, the
>
> > > cost per unit increases but
>
> > > not
>
> > > proportionately.
>
> > > An apples to apples comparison was made
>
> > > between an online printer and
>
> > > the
>
> > > current printer for both printing and
>
> > > mailing and the difference was
>
> > > pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but
>
> > > for the whole run.
>
> > > As far as I am concerned, it is the
>
> > > editors who should have the most
>
> > > influence as to how and where their
>
> > > product is produced. They are the
>
> > > ones who
>
> > > must work with the printers and mailing
>
> > > houses on a regular basis.
>
> > > Bob Reid
>
> > > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
>
> > > Eastern Daylight Time,
>
> > > [29][52]asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > writes:
>
> > > The last I heard (and I may have heard
>
> > > wrong), the board was
>
> > > interested
>
> > > in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
>
> > > printing costs, so for me,
>
> > > it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
>
> > > agree, if POCA was missing out
>
> > > on
>
> > > full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
>
> > > then something is amiss.
>
> > > However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
>
> > > account for all costs
>
> > > properly. I have more faith that the
>
> > > present board members will
>
> > > properly investigate and sort it out for
>
> > > everyone.
>
> > > I am on-board with electronic delivery,
>
> > > though I do admit it's nice to
>
> > > just sit back and read a paper copy too.
>
> > > It's also easier to hand-off
>
> > > to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
>
> > > really fix that?
>
> > > I would think (and I don't know), that the
>
> > > ClubExpress membership
>
> > > database might be able to include a
>
> > > "preference" as part of the
>
> > > member's
>
> > > profile or details. Just as I can set an
>
> > > address and phone number, if
>
> > > I
>
> > > could check a box for Electronic delivery
>
> > > or paper copies, or both,
>
> > > and
>
> > > select whatever I wanted for each item
>
> > > (Profiles versus Newsletter),
>
> > > that might be ideal.
>
> > > However, I'm also familiar with quantity
>
> > > discounting. It very well
>
> > > could be that it costs the same amount to
>
> > > print 500 as it does to
>
> > > print
>
> > > 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
>
> > > those are considerations the
>
> > > board will look at as well.
>
> > > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
>
> > > claimed, I have heard (from
>
> > > more
>
> > > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
>
> > > not resign "because POCA
>
> > > changed printers;" it was over "control"
>
> > > of newsletter content that in
>
> > > essence fell outside the bounds of the
>
> > > by-laws. For a guy that
>
> > > appeared
>
> > > to try very hard to get everyone else to
>
> > > follow the by-laws (and it's
>
> > > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
>
> > > certainly didn't feel they
>
> > > applied
>
> > > to him.
>
> > > For the record, as I understand it, POCA
>
> > > has changed printers -twice-
>
> > > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
> > > related to the DeRykes) got out of
>
> > > the business. So the "family tie-in"
>
> > > previously eluded to, was not a
>
> > > factor in the resignations.
>
> > > Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
>
> > > inflation)
>
> > > Asa Jay
>
> > > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
>
> > > Retired
>
> > > & Shelley Marie
>
> > > Spokane, WA
>
> > > ******************************
>
> > > [30][53]http://w7tsc.org
>
> > > [31][54]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> > > _______________________________________________
>
> > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by
>
> > > POCA
>
> > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
>
> > > Megabytes
>
> > > DeTomaso mailing list
>
> > > [32][55]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > >
> [33][56]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > To manage your subscription (change email
>
> > > address, unsubscribe, etc.)
>
> > > use
>
> > > the links above.
>
> > > Members who post to this list grant
>
> > > license to the list to forward any
>
> > > message posted here to all past, current,
>
> > > or future members of the
>
> > > list. They
>
> > > also grant the list owner permission to
>
> > > maintain an archive or approve
>
> > > the
>
> > > archiving of list messages.
>
> > > To use a cliche, we're working on it.
>
> > > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
>
> > > pipeline. However, there
>
> > > are
>
> > > restrictions, particularly with the
>
> > > By-Laws as they currently stand.
>
> > > There are no provisions for multiple dues
>
> > > levels,
>
> > > particularly pertaining to how a member
>
> > > elects to have their club
>
> > > publications delivered, etc. That will
>
> > > take time as any changes or
>
> > > amendments must be approved by the whole
>
> > > membership.
>
> > > The consensus seems to be that the
>
> > > Profiles would continue as a
>
> > > print
>
> > > publication for all except foreign members
>
> > > who elect to receive it
>
> > > digitally.
>
> > > As far as printing is concerned, it is
>
> > > that first copy that is so
>
> > > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
>
> > > that bring down the per unit
>
> > > cost. So as fewer units are produced and
>
> > > shipped, the cost per unit
>
> > > increases but not proportionately.
>
> > > An apples to apples comparison was made
>
> > > between an online printer
>
> > > and
>
> > > the current printer for both printing and
>
> > > mailing and the difference
>
> > > was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit
>
> > > but for the whole run.
>
> > > As far as I am concerned, it is the
>
> > > editors who should have the most
>
> > > influence as to how and where their
>
> > > product is produced. They are
>
> > > the
>
> > > ones who must work with the printers and
>
> > > mailing houses on a regular
>
> > > basis.
>
> > > Bob Reid
>
> > > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
>
> > > Eastern Daylight Time,
>
> > > [34][57]asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > writes:
>
> > > The last I heard (and I may have heard
>
> > > wrong), the board was
>
> > > interested
>
> > > in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
>
> > > printing costs, so for
>
> > > me,
>
> > > it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
>
> > > agree, if POCA was missing
>
> > > out
>
> > > on
>
> > > full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
>
> > > then something is amiss.
>
> > > However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
>
> > > account for all costs
>
> > > properly. I have more faith that the
>
> > > present board members will
>
> > > properly investigate and sort it out for
>
> > > everyone.
>
> > > I am on-board with electronic delivery,
>
> > > though I do admit it's
>
> > > nice
>
> > > to
>
> > > just sit back and read a paper copy too.
>
> > > It's also easier to
>
> > > hand-off
>
> > > to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
>
> > > really fix that?
>
> > > I would think (and I don't know), that the
>
> > > ClubExpress membership
>
> > > database might be able to include a
>
> > > "preference" as part of the
>
> > > member's
>
> > > profile or details. Just as I can set an
>
> > > address and phone
>
> > > number,
>
> > > if I
>
> > > could check a box for Electronic delivery
>
> > > or paper copies, or
>
> > > both,
>
> > > and
>
> > > select whatever I wanted for each item
>
> > > (Profiles versus
>
> > > Newsletter),
>
> > > that might be ideal.
>
> > > However, I'm also familiar with quantity
>
> > > discounting. It very
>
> > > well
>
> > > could be that it costs the same amount to
>
> > > print 500 as it does to
>
> > > print
>
> > > 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
>
> > > those are considerations
>
> > > the
>
> > > board will look at as well.
>
> > > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
>
> > > claimed, I have heard (from
>
> > > more
>
> > > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
>
> > > not resign "because POCA
>
> > > changed printers;" it was over "control"
>
> > > of newsletter content
>
> > > that
>
> > > in
>
> > > essence fell outside the bounds of the
>
> > > by-laws. For a guy that
>
> > > appeared
>
> > > to try very hard to get everyone else to
>
> > > follow the by-laws (and
>
> > > it's
>
> > > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
>
> > > certainly didn't feel they
>
> > > applied
>
> > > to him.
>
> > > For the record, as I understand it, POCA
>
> > > has changed printers
>
> > > -twice-
>
> > > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
> > > related to the DeRykes) got
>
> > > out
>
> > > of
>
> > > the business. So the "family tie-in"
>
> > > previously eluded to, was
>
> > > not
>
> > > a
>
> > > factor in the resignations.
>
> > > Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
>
> > > inflation)
>
> > > Asa Jay
>
> > > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
>
> > > Retired
>
> > > & Shelley Marie
>
> > > Spokane, WA
>
> > > ******************************
>
> > > [35][58]http://w7tsc.org
>
> > > [36][59]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> > > _______________________________________________
>
> > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by
>
> > > POCA
>
> > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
>
> > > Megabytes
>
> > > DeTomaso mailing list
>
> > > [37][60]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > >
> [38][61]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > To manage your subscription (change email
>
> > > address, unsubscribe,
>
> > > etc.) use the links above.
>
> > > Members who post to this list grant
>
> > > license to the list to forward
>
> > > any message posted here to all past,
>
> > > current, or future members of
>
> > > the list. They also grant the list owner
>
> > > permission to maintain an
>
> > > archive or approve the archiving of list
>
> > > messages.
>
> > > _______________________________________________
>
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> > > Message: 2
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> > > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:56:45 -0700
>
> > > From: Michael Cox <[41][64]coxmichaelt at gmail.com>
>
> > > To: [42][65]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera
>
> > > GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
>
> > > Message-ID:
>
> > >
>
>
> <CAMPkPf3HQcqg5vLxgjpJP=7z=UBbrVs=[43][66]ynAnbzepC1U9QH+A_Q at mail.gmail
>
> > > .com
>
> > >>
>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> > >> From: Ed Mendez <[44][67]edducati at mac.com>
>
> > >> Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera
>
> > > GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Hi! I found this on eBay and thought
>
> > > you might like it! Check it out
>
> > > now! De Tomaso:
>
> > >> Other Pantera GTS [45][68]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>
> > > These guys found that ad too. :^)
>
> > >
>
>
> [46][69]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
>
> > > a-ha
>
> > > s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
>
> > > --michael cox
>
> > > -------------- next part --------------
>
> > >> From: Ed Mendez <[1][47][70]edducati at mac.com>
>
> > >> Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera
>
> > > GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
>
> > >> A
>
> > >> Hi! I found this on eBay and thought
>
> > > you might like it! Check it out
>
> > > now!A De Tomaso:
>
> > >> Other Pantera GTSA [2][48][71]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>
> > > These guys found that ad too. A :^)
>
> > >
>
>
> [3][49][72]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pan
>
> > > tera
>
> > > -has
>
> > > -only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
>
> > > A A --michael cox
>
> > > References
>
> > > 1. [50][73]mailto:edducati at mac.com
>
> > > 2. [51][74]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>
> > > 3.
>
> > >
>
>
> [52][75]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
>
> > > a-ha
>
> > > s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
>
> > > ------------------------------
>
> > > Message: 3
>
> > > Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 08:05:15 -0700
>
> > > From: "Stephen" <[53][76]steve at snclocks.com>
>
> > > To: "'marshallgsmith'"
> <[54][77]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
>
> > > <[55][78]P6746 at aol.com>,
>
> > > <[56][79]asajay at asajay.com>,
>
> > > <[57][80]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
>
> > > paper vs. electronic
>
> > > Message-ID:
>
> > > <[81]004701d1f706$6ead4a50$4c07def0$@snclocks.com>
>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> > > Having been on Boards before - I'd suggest
>
> > > the current Board deserves
>
> > > some time to catch their breath and
>
> > > recover from the situation they
>
> > > have recently been through. It is amazing
>
> > > how much time something like
>
> > > this takes - and I suspect everyone on the
>
> > > Board would like to catch up
>
> > > on all the things they have let slide
>
> > > while coping with the removal of
>
> > > a president and all the animosity and
>
> > > e-mails the whole mess generated.
>
> > > It's so easy to ask questions - but takes
>
> > > a lot more time to figure out
>
> > > how to do everything asked below. For now,
>
> > > let's just let the Board
>
> > > recover and slowly get some of the loose
>
> > > ends taken care of.
>
> > > Stephen Nelson
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
>
> > > From: DeTomaso
>
> > > [[58][82]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>
> > > On
>
> > > Behalf Of marshallgsmith
>
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 8:28 PM
>
> > > To: [59][83]P6746 at aol.com; [60][84]asajay at asajay.com;
>
> > > [61][85]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
>
> > > paper vs. electronic
>
> > > I have a couple questions Bob:
>
> > >> Calling this situation "multiple dues
>
> > > levels" seems to be making the
>
> > > issue too complex. There are some members
>
> > > that are opting to not have
>
> > > printed magazines mailed which should make
>
> > > those members eligible for a
>
> > > discount because of the savings.
>
> > >> What is your estimate of the length
>
> > > of time that it would take the
>
> > > board to arrange for a vote of the
>
> > > membership to change the bylaws to
>
> > > allow for this discount?
>
> > >> Who specifically made that
>
> > > apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
>
> > >> I agree that the editors should have
>
> > > the most influence on the
>
> > > process. However, our editors of both
>
> > > publications seem to have a hard
>
> > > time reporting to the members about ANY
>
> > > issues pertaining to the
>
> > > publication's themselves. Might that
>
> > > change in the near future or will
>
> > > radio silence be the norm here?
>
> > > Marshall Smith
>
> > > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
> > > -------- Original message --------
>
> > > From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
>
> <[62][86]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> > > Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
> > > To: [63][87]asajay at asajay.com,
>
> > > [64][88]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
>
> > > paper vs. electronic
>
> > > To use a cliche, we're working on it.
>
> > > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
>
> > > pipeline. However, there are
>
> > > restrictions, particularly with the
>
> > > By-Laws as they currently stand.
>
> > > There are no provisions for multiple dues
>
> > > levels, particularly
>
> > > pertaining to how a member elects to have
>
> > > their club publications
>
> > > delivered, etc. That will take time as any
>
> > > changes or amendments must
>
> > > be approved by the whole membership.
>
> > > The consensus seems to be that the
>
> > > Profiles would continue as a print
>
> > > publication for all except foreign members
>
> > > who elect to receive it
>
> > > digitally.
>
> > > As far as printing is concerned, it is
>
> > > that first copy that is so
>
> > > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
>
> > > that bring down the per unit
>
> > > cost. So as fewer units are produced and
>
> > > shipped, the cost per unit
>
> > > increases but not proportionately.
>
> > > An apples to apples comparison was made
>
> > > between an online printer and
>
> > > the current printer for both printing and
>
> > > mailing and the difference
>
> > > was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit
>
> > > but for the whole run.
>
> > > As far as I am concerned, it is the
>
> > > editors who should have the most
>
> > > influence as to how and where their
>
> > > product is produced. They are the
>
> > > ones who must work with the printers and
>
> > > mailing houses on a regular
>
> > > basis.
>
> > > Bob Reid
>
> > > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
>
> > > Eastern Daylight Time,
>
> > > [65][89]asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > writes:
>
> > > The last I heard (and I may have heard
>
> > > wrong), the board was interested
>
> > > in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
>
> > > printing costs, so for me,
>
> > > it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
>
> > > agree, if POCA was missing out on
>
> > > full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
>
> > > then something is amiss.
>
> > > However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
>
> > > account for all costs
>
> > > properly. I have more faith that the
>
> > > present board members will
>
> > > properly investigate and sort it out for
>
> > > everyone.
>
> > > I am on-board with electronic delivery,
>
> > > though I do admit it's nice to
>
> > > just sit back and read a paper copy too.
>
> > > It's also easier to hand-off
>
> > > to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
>
> > > really fix that?
>
> > > I would think (and I don't know), that the
>
> > > ClubExpress membership
>
> > > database might be able to include a
>
> > > "preference" as part of the
>
> > > member's profile or details. Just as I can
>
> > > set an address and phone
>
> > > number, if I could check a box for
>
> > > Electronic delivery or paper copies,
>
> > > or both, and select whatever I wanted for
>
> > > each item (Profiles versus
>
> > > Newsletter), that might be ideal.
>
> > > However, I'm also familiar with quantity
>
> > > discounting. It very well
>
> > > could be that it costs the same amount to
>
> > > print 500 as it does to print
>
> > > 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
>
> > > those are considerations the
>
> > > board will look at as well.
>
> > > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
>
> > > claimed, I have heard (from more
>
> > > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
>
> > > not resign "because POCA
>
> > > changed printers;" it was over "control"
>
> > > of newsletter content that in
>
> > > essence fell outside the bounds of the
>
> > > by-laws. For a guy that appeared
>
> > > to try very hard to get everyone else to
>
> > > follow the by-laws (and it's
>
> > > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
>
> > > certainly didn't feel they
>
> > > applied to him.
>
> > > For the record, as I understand it, POCA
>
> > > has changed printers -twice-
>
> > > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
> > > related to the DeRykes) got out of
>
> > > the business. So the "family tie-in"
>
> > > previously eluded to, was not a
>
> > > factor in the resignations.
>
> > > Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
>
> > > inflation) Asa Jay
>
> > > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
>
> > > Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane,
>
> > > WA
>
> > > ******************************
>
> > > [66]http://w7tsc.org
>
> > > [67]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> > > _______________________________________________
>
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>
> > > or approve the archiving of list
>
> > > messages.
>
> > > To use a cliche, we're working on it.
>
> > > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
>
> > > pipeline. However, there are
>
> > > restrictions, particularly with the
>
> > > By-Laws as they currently stand.
>
> > > There are no provisions for multiple dues
>
> > > levels,
>
> > > particularly pertaining to how a member
>
> > > elects to have their club
>
> > > publications delivered, etc. That will
>
> > > take time as any changes or
>
> > > amendments must be approved by the whole
>
> > > membership.
>
> > > The consensus seems to be that the
>
> > > Profiles would continue as a print
>
> > > publication for all except foreign members
>
> > > who elect to receive it
>
> > > digitally.
>
> > > As far as printing is concerned, it is
>
> > > that first copy that is so
>
> > > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
>
> > > that bring down the per unit
>
> > > cost. So as fewer units are produced and
>
> > > shipped, the cost per unit
>
> > > increases but not proportionately.
>
> > > An apples to apples comparison was made
>
> > > between an online printer and
>
> > > the current printer for both printing and
>
> > > mailing and the difference
>
> > > was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit
>
> > > but for the whole run.
>
> > > As far as I am concerned, it is the
>
> > > editors who should have the most
>
> > > influence as to how and where their
>
> > > product is produced. They are the
>
> > > ones who must work with the printers and
>
> > > mailing houses on a regular
>
> > > basis.
>
> > > Bob Reid
>
> > > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
>
> > > Eastern Daylight Time,
>
> > > [70]asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > writes:
>
> > > The last I heard (and I may have heard
>
> > > wrong), the board was
>
> > > interested
>
> > > in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
>
> > > printing costs, so for
>
> > > me,
>
> > > it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
>
> > > agree, if POCA was missing out
>
> > > on
>
> > > full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
>
> > > then something is amiss.
>
> > > However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
>
> > > account for all costs
>
> > > properly. I have more faith that the
>
> > > present board members will
>
> > > properly investigate and sort it out for
>
> > > everyone.
>
> > > I am on-board with electronic delivery,
>
> > > though I do admit it's nice
>
> > > to
>
> > > just sit back and read a paper copy too.
>
> > > It's also easier to
>
> > > hand-off
>
> > > to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
>
> > > really fix that?
>
> > > I would think (and I don't know), that the
>
> > > ClubExpress membership
>
> > > database might be able to include a
>
> > > "preference" as part of the
>
> > > member's
>
> > > profile or details. Just as I can set an
>
> > > address and phone number,
>
> > > if I
>
> > > could check a box for Electronic delivery
>
> > > or paper copies, or both,
>
> > > and
>
> > > select whatever I wanted for each item
>
> > > (Profiles versus Newsletter),
>
> > > that might be ideal.
>
> > > However, I'm also familiar with quantity
>
> > > discounting. It very well
>
> > > could be that it costs the same amount to
>
> > > print 500 as it does to
>
> > > print
>
> > > 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
>
> > > those are considerations the
>
> > > board will look at as well.
>
> > > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
>
> > > claimed, I have heard (from
>
> > > more
>
> > > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
>
> > > not resign "because POCA
>
> > > changed printers;" it was over "control"
>
> > > of newsletter content that
>
> > > in
>
> > > essence fell outside the bounds of the
>
> > > by-laws. For a guy that
>
> > > appeared
>
> > > to try very hard to get everyone else to
>
> > > follow the by-laws (and
>
> > > it's
>
> > > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
>
> > > certainly didn't feel they
>
> > > applied
>
> > > to him.
>
> > > For the record, as I understand it, POCA
>
> > > has changed printers
>
> > > -twice-
>
> > > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
> > > related to the DeRykes) got out
>
> > > of
>
> > > the business. So the "family tie-in"
>
> > > previously eluded to, was not
>
> > > a
>
> > > factor in the resignations.
>
> > > Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
>
> > > inflation)
>
> > > Asa Jay
>
> > > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
>
> > > Retired
>
> > > & Shelley Marie
>
> > > Spokane, WA
>
> > > ******************************
>
> > > [71]http://w7tsc.org
>
> > > [72]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> > > _______________________________________________
>
> > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by
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> > > ------------------------------
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> > > End of DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 20
>
> > > *****************************************
>
> > >
>
> > > References
>
> > >
>
> > > 1. [1]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 2. [2]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 3.
>
> [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 4. [4]mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 5. [5]mailto:owner at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 6. [6]mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>
> > > 7. [7]mailto:P6746 at aol.com
>
> > > 8. [8]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 9. [9]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 10.
>
> > >
>
> [10]mailto:sdxpj9k7caacwyvlamgw7uly.1471231663405 at email.android.com
>
> > > 11. [11]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 12. [12]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 13. [13]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 14. [14]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 15. [15]http://w7tsc.org/
>
> > > 16. [16]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
> > > 17. [17]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 18.
>
> [18]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 19. [19]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 20. [20]http://w7tsc.org/
>
> > > 21. [21]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
> > > 22. [22]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 23.
>
> [23]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 24. [24]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 25.
>
> [25]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 26. [26]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 27. [27]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 28. [28]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 29. [29]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 30. [30]http://w7tsc.org/
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
> > >
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>
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>
> > > s
>
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>
> > > 52.
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> > >
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
> > > 78.
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> [78]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
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> > > 9. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> > > 10.
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> > > 15. http://w7tsc.org/
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>
> > > 46.
>
>
> http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-has-on
>
> ly-78
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
> > > 54. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
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> > > 55. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
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> > > 56. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
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> 75. http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
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> 77. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
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