[DeTomaso] resignations
Dick Koch
redcatman74 at gmail.com
Tue Aug 16 18:45:47 EDT 2016
Stephen, thank you for saying what I was about to say.
If folks want to continue to rant about this, do the courteous thing, do it
offline and don't burden the rest of the world with a subject that the BOD
will hopefully sort out and do the right thing, putting personality
conflicts aside and implementing the needed changes to improve the club.
Dick Koch - Atlanta
On Aug 16, 2016 2:28 PM, "Stephen" <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
> So, when, exactly, did we stop beating our spouses???
>
>
> Effie - gads - you have the names of the printers! Call them - short
> of that I can assure you any good photographer can modify a document so
> you will not be able to know what is real and what is not.
>
>
> Let's stop the witch hunt - look at the folks who stood up to the
> shortt. Think about how long they have been a part of POCA. Are they
> out for personal gain in standing up to a person who made way too many
> folks want to quit?
>
>
> If you or others wish to continue the witch hunt - please start a new
> thread, with the initials MS in front of the subject. That way I can
> route all e-mails associated with the thread to my trash bin.
>
>
> I'm going to go back to working on 5332 and hope this whole nightmare
> will just go away.
>
>
> Stephen Nelson
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf Of Effie Richards
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 10:30 AM
> To: 'Charles McCall' <charlesmccall at gmail.com>; 'marshallgsmith'
> <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: 'detomaso' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; 'laurie Basile'
> <laurieferrari at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
>
> Where are the actual proposals/quotes from the printers, not the ones
> the editor posted here. Those as they appear, could have been
> manipulated - I'm not accusing anyone, I am just saying, as any court
> would say - an experienced editor like Jack could add or delete to
> create and post what he did here. Since there are many still
> questioning the printer cost, let's see the actual bids.
>
>
>
> From: Charles McCall [[1]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com]
>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 12:08 AM
>
> To: marshallgsmith
>
> Cc: Michael Haney; Judith McCartney; Effie Richards; Julian Kift;
> detomaso; laurie Basile
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
>
>
> You did all read the info sent by Judy McCartney last week with Jack's
> explanation?
>
>
>
> Re-sent here in case you didn't see it. Please open the attachment - I
> promise no viruses are included
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 8:20 AM, marshallgsmith
> <[2]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hey Michael,
>
>
> I think the best way to put this controversy to bed is if you or
> your
>
> dad could speak about not being cooperative in regards to the the
> use
>
> of another printer that supposedly afforded the club an $8,000
> savings.
>
> That really seems to be the only issue that continues this
> controversy
>
> and I still haven't heard either of you discuss the allegation. I'm
>
> sure your response will cut this thread for good and allow us all to
>
> move on with the rebuilding of this great club.
>
>
> Marshall Smith
>
>
> President, San Diego Panteras
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
>
> From: Michael Haney <[3]paso750 at gmail.com>
>
> Date: 8/15/16 10:36 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
> To: 'Judith McCartney' <[4]jpoca2 at hotmail.com>, 'Effie Richards'
>
> <[5]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>, 'Julian Kift'
>
> <[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>
> Cc: [7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com, 'laurie Basile'
>
> <[8]laurieferrari at aol.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
> Thank you very much, Judy.
>
> I really wish this thread would just die.
>
> I know that this isn't the answer you're fishing for, but it'll have
> to
>
> do
>
> since it's the truth.
>
> Nancy quit and took her associate (me) with her because she was
> tired
>
> of
>
> hearing from me all about Shortt's efforts to take over every aspect
> of
>
> POCA.
>
> I didn't fight her decision because I was in turn tired of Shortt's
>
> intimidation and bullying tactics. Frankly, being on the Board
> wasn't
>
> fun
>
> anymore and I was also very tired of Shortt's constant preening.
>
> As a matter of record, I resigned from the Board BEFORE Profiles #3
>
> even
>
> went to the printer. I had nearly finished it and decided that I
> didn't
>
> want
>
> to let the POCA members down. I really didn't want to contribute any
>
> more to
>
> Shortt's regime, but my conscience won.
>
> Even after I sent the magazine in, I still had to deal with Shortt.
> He
>
> decided to interfere with the printer, sent them a database with a
>
> whole
>
> bunch of problematic info and threaten nonpayment if he didn't get
>
> preliminary proofs. How do I know this? I received a call while I
> was
>
> at
>
> work from the woman working in Allegra Printing's mail room. She
> called
>
> Shortt and he wouldn't help her with the database and ignored her
>
> questions.
>
> Having no one else to call, she called me. I in turn contacted Judy,
>
> our
>
> Membership Director, who fixed the problems that Shortt created.
>
> Regarding Shortt's allegations of graft, if anyone can find a
>
> connection
>
> between my family and anyone who EVER worked at Allegra Printing in
>
> Reno,
>
> Nevada, (or indeed any of Allegra's branches) please let me know.
>
> My Dad might respond as well, but he's been pretty busy caring for
> my
>
> SERIOUSLY ill Mom who was in the hospital for the last two weeks and
>
> who
>
> might finally be able to come back home in a couple more.
>
> Now, can we finally put this "controversy" to rest?
>
> Mike Haney
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
>
> Behalf
>
> Of Judith McCartney
>
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 8:44 PM
>
> To: Effie Richards; Julian Kift
>
> Cc: [10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; laurie Basile
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
> Mike Haney gave his resignation months way head of Jacks, two diff
>
> reasons.
>
> Judith McCartney, Membership Director & Fun Rally coordinator.
>
> > From: [11]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
>
> > Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 18:43:43 -0700
>
> > To: [12]julian_kift at hotmail.com
>
> > CC: [13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
> [14]laurieferrari at aol.com
>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
> >
>
> > Julian these are the same questions some of us have had and have
> been
>
> waiting for a reply or statement. I'm willing to give the board some
>
> time to
>
> come up with one.
>
> >
>
> > Sent from Effie's iPad
>
> >
>
> > > On Aug 15, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Julian Kift
> <[15]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > I have digested all the emails on this topic and to be honest
> it
>
> still
>
> > > doesn't sit well in my gut.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > Presumably the BOD voted in favor of changing printers based
> upon
>
> the
>
> > > quotes presented. Did they not have all the facts and
>
> > > if not why did they not question further? Did Jack have all
> the
>
> facts
>
> w
>
> > > hen he resigned or were his and Mike Haney's resignations
> simply
>
> an
>
> > > outright stand against changing printer?
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > Why did Michael push to change printer if he knew there was
> only
>
> > > pennies between it?
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > Julian
>
> > >
>
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> > >
>
> > > From: DeTomaso <[16]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
> on
>
> behalf of
>
> > > marshall smith <[17]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>
> > > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:11 AM
>
> > > To: [18]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
> [19]laurieferrari at aol.com
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
> > >
>
> > > I find it funny that three months after the Fun Rally we are
> now
>
> > > hearing that Shortt's bid for printing did not include
> shipping.
>
> Shortt
>
> > > is a lot of things but a mistake like this...?
>
> > > I was listening in on this meeting also and I know what I
> heard.
>
> > > Apparently, the board convinced 'some' members of this
> so-called
>
> > > discrepancy month's ago. Why wasn't this information, if it
>
> exists,
>
> > > relayed to ALL of us in a timely manner?
>
> > > Marshall
>
> > >
>
> > > --------------------------------------------
>
> > > On Mon, 8/15/16, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
>
> > > <[20]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
> > > To: [21]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > Date: Monday, August 15, 2016, 9:57 AM
>
> > >
>
> > > Dear AJ,
>
> > >
>
> > > I have always respected you and your
>
> > > opinions but in this case you are
>
> > > incorrect as far as the resignation of
>
> > > Jack DeRyke. I was on the Board
>
> > > of Directors' conference call where he was
>
> > > asked to stay and he
>
> > > adamantly refused to if the printer
>
> > > changed. Jack's resignation was
>
> > > specifically because of the change in
>
> > > printer! You can go research
>
> > > that phone conference call, or the minutes
>
> > > of the meeting, as the facts
>
> > > are saved. As far as Mike Haney's
>
> > > resignation, that was done by his
>
> > > Mrs. for their reasons which most likely
>
> > > were aligned with their
>
> > > parents.
>
> > >
>
> > > Laurie
>
> > >
>
> > > In a message dated 8/13/2016
>
> > > 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,?
>
> > > [1][22]asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > writes:
>
> > > The last? I heard (and I may have
>
> > > heard wrong), the board was
>
> > > interested
>
> > > in doing a? -real- accounting
>
> > > comparison of printing costs, so for
>
> > > me,
>
> > > it's a wait and? see kind of
>
> > > thing.? I agree, if POCA was missing
>
> > > out on
>
> > > full-color? and paying $8,000 more
>
> > > for B/W then something is amiss.?
>
> > > However, I? also believe Mr. Shortt
>
> > > didn't account for all costs
>
> > > properly.? I? have more faith that
>
> > > the present board members will
>
> > > properly investigate? and sort it
>
> > > out for everyone.
>
> > > I am on-board with electronic
>
> > > delivery,? though I do admit it's nice
>
> > > to
>
> > > just sit back and read a paper
>
> > > copy? too.? It's also easier to
>
> > > hand-off
>
> > > to Sam so he can read it? later.?
>
> > > How do you really fix that?
>
> > > I would think (and I don't? know),
>
> > > that the ClubExpress membership
>
> > > database might be able to include
>
> > > a? "preference" as part of the
>
> > > member's
>
> > > profile or details.? Just as I? can
>
> > > set an address and phone number,
>
> > > if I
>
> > > could check a box for Electronic?
>
> > > delivery or paper copies, or both,
>
> > > and
>
> > > select whatever I wanted for each?
>
> > > item (Profiles versus
>
> > > Newsletter),
>
> > > that might be ideal.
>
> > > However,? I'm also familiar with
>
> > > quantity discounting.? It very well
>
> > > could be? that it costs the same
>
> > > amount to print 500 as it does to
>
> > > print
>
> > > 50, or 10? (but I doubt it).? I
>
> > > imagine those are considerations the
>
> > > board will? look at as well.
>
> > > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie
>
> > > has claimed, I have? heard (from
>
> > > more
>
> > > than one person), that Jack and
>
> > > Mike did not resign? "because POCA
>
> > > changed printers;" it was over
>
> > > "control" of newsletter? content that
>
> > > in
>
> > > essence fell outside the bounds of
>
> > > the by-laws.? For? a guy that
>
> > > appeared
>
> > > to try very hard to get everyone
>
> > > else to follow the? by-laws (and
>
> > > it's
>
> > > unwritten code of ethics), Mr.
>
> > > Shortt certainly didn't? feel they
>
> > > applied
>
> > > to him.
>
> > > For the record, as I understand it,
>
> > > POCA? has changed printers
>
> > > -twice-
>
> > > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
> > > related? to the DeRykes) got out
>
> > > of
>
> > > the business.? So the "family
>
> > > tie-in"? previously eluded to, was not
>
> > > a
>
> > > factor in the resignations.
>
> > > Just my? $1.50? (two cents adjusted
>
> > > for inflation)
>
> > > Asa? Jay
>
> > > Asa Jay? Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt,
>
> > > USAFR, Retired
>
> > > &? Shelley? Mar
>
> > >
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
>
> > > From: detomaso-request
>
> <[23]detomaso-request at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> > > To: detomaso <[24]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> > > Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2016 9:00 am
>
> > > Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue
>
> > > 20
>
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>
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>
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>
> > > 1. Re: Newsletters, cost, paper vs.
>
> > > electronic (marshallgsmith)
>
> > > 2. Re: De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay!
>
> > > again $250K!! (Michael Cox)
>
> > > 3. Re: Newsletters, cost, paper vs.
>
> > > electronic (Stephen)
>
> > >
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > > ---
>
> > > Message: 1
>
> > > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:27:43 -0700
>
> > > From: marshallgsmith <[6][29]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>
> > > To: [7][30]P6746 at aol.com, [8][31]asajay at asajay.com,
>
> > > [9][32]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
>
> > > paper vs. electronic
>
> > > Message-ID:
>
> > >
>
> <[10][33]sdxpj9k7caacwyvlamgw7uly.1471231663405 at email.android.com>
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>
> > > I have a couple questions Bob:
>
> > >> Calling this situation "multiple dues
>
> > > levels" seems to be making the
>
> > > issue too complex. There are some members
>
> > > that are opting to not have
>
> > > printed magazines mailed which should make
>
> > > those members eligible for a
>
> > > discount because of the savings.
>
> > >> What is your estimate of the length
>
> > > of time that it would take the
>
> > > board to arrange for a vote of the
>
> > > membership to change the bylaws to
>
> > > allow for this discount?
>
> > >> Who specifically made that
>
> > > apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
>
> > >> I agree that the editors should have
>
> > > the most influence ?on the
>
> > > process. ?However, our editors of both
>
> > > publications seem to have a hard
>
> > > time reporting to the members about ANY
>
> > > issues pertaining to the
>
> > > publication's themselves. Might that
>
> > > change in the near future or will
>
> > > radio silence be the norm here?
>
> > > Marshall Smith
>
> > > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
> > > -------- Original message --------
>
> > > From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
>
> <[11][34]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> > > Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
> > > To: [12][35]asajay at asajay.com,
>
> > > [13][36]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
>
> > > paper vs. electronic
>
> > > To use a cliche, we're working on it.?
>
> > > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
>
> > > pipeline.?? However, there
>
> > > are
>
> > > restrictions, particularly with the
>
> > > By-Laws as they currently? stand.?
>
> > > There
>
> > > are no provisions for multiple dues
>
> > > levels,? particularly pertaining to
>
> > > how a
>
> > > member elects to have their club?
>
> > > publications delivered, etc.? That
>
> > > will
>
> > > take time as any changes or? amendments
>
> > > must be approved by the whole
>
> > > membership.
>
> > > The consensus seems to be that the
>
> > > Profiles would? continue as a print
>
> > > publication for all except foreign members
>
> > > who elect to? receive it
>
> > > digitally.?
>
> > > As far as printing is concerned, it is
>
> > > that first copy that is? so
>
> > > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
>
> > > that bring down the per unit?
>
> > > cost.? So as
>
> > > fewer units are produced and shipped, the
>
> > > cost per unit? increases but
>
> > > not
>
> > > proportionately.??
>
> > > An apples to apples comparison was made
>
> > > between an online? printer and
>
> > > the
>
> > > current printer for both printing and
>
> > > mailing and the difference? was
>
> > > pennies.? That wasn't pennies per unit but
>
> > > for the whole run.?
>
> > > As far as I am concerned, it is the
>
> > > editors who should have? the most
>
> > > influence as to how and where their
>
> > > product is produced.? They are? the
>
> > > ones who
>
> > > must work with the printers and mailing
>
> > > houses on a regular? basis.
>
> > > Bob Reid?
>
> > > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
>
> > > Eastern Daylight Time,?
>
> > > [14][37]asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > writes:
>
> > > The last? I heard (and I may have heard
>
> > > wrong), the board was
>
> > > interested
>
> > > in doing a? -real- accounting comparison
>
> > > of printing costs, so for me,
>
> > > it's a wait and? see kind of thing.? I
>
> > > agree, if POCA was missing out
>
> > > on
>
> > > full-color? and paying $8,000 more for B/W
>
> > > then something is amiss.?
>
> > > However, I? also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
>
> > > account for all costs
>
> > > properly.? I? have more faith that the
>
> > > present board members will
>
> > > properly investigate? and sort it out for
>
> > > everyone.
>
> > > I am on-board with electronic delivery,?
>
> > > though I do admit it's nice to
>
> > > just sit back and read a paper copy? too.?
>
> > > It's also easier to hand-off
>
> > > to Sam so he can read it? later.? How do
>
> > > you really fix that?
>
> > > I would think (and I don't? know), that
>
> > > the ClubExpress membership
>
> > > database might be able to include a?
>
> > > "preference" as part of the
>
> > > member's
>
> > > profile or details.? Just as I? can set an
>
> > > address and phone number, if
>
> > > I
>
> > > could check a box for Electronic? delivery
>
> > > or paper copies, or both,
>
> > > and
>
> > > select whatever I wanted for each? item
>
> > > (Profiles versus Newsletter),
>
> > > that might be ideal.
>
> > > However,? I'm also familiar with quantity
>
> > > discounting.? It very well
>
> > > could be? that it costs the same amount to
>
> > > print 500 as it does to
>
> > > print
>
> > > 50, or 10? (but I doubt it).? I imagine
>
> > > those are considerations the
>
> > > board will? look at as well.
>
> > > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
>
> > > claimed, I have? heard (from
>
> > > more
>
> > > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
>
> > > not resign? "because POCA
>
> > > changed printers;" it was over "control"
>
> > > of newsletter? content that in
>
> > > essence fell outside the bounds of the
>
> > > by-laws.? For? a guy that
>
> > > appeared
>
> > > to try very hard to get everyone else to
>
> > > follow the? by-laws (and it's
>
> > > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
>
> > > certainly didn't? feel they
>
> > > applied
>
> > > to him.
>
> > > For the record, as I understand it, POCA?
>
> > > has changed printers -twice-
>
> > > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
> > > related? to the DeRykes) got out of
>
> > > the business.? So the "family tie-in"?
>
> > > previously eluded to, was not a
>
> > > factor in the resignations.
>
> > > Just my? $1.50? (two cents adjusted for
>
> > > inflation)
>
> > > Asa? Jay
>
> > > Asa Jay? Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
>
> > > Retired
>
> > > &? Shelley? Marie
>
> > > Spokane,? WA
>
> > > ******************************
>
> > > [15][38]http://w7tsc.org
>
> > > [16][39]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
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> > > are
>
> > > ?? restrictions, particularly with the
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> > > By-Laws as they currently stand.
>
> > > ?? There are no provisions for multiple
>
> > > dues levels,
>
> > > ?? particularly pertaining to how a member
>
> > > elects to have their club
>
> > > ?? publications delivered, etc.? That will
>
> > > take time as any changes or
>
> > > ?? amendments must be approved by the
>
> > > whole membership.
>
> > > ?? The consensus seems to be that the
>
> > > Profiles would continue as a
>
> > > print
>
> > > ?? publication for all except foreign
>
> > > members who elect to receive it
>
> > > ?? digitally.
>
> > > ?? As far as printing is concerned, it is
>
> > > that first copy that is so
>
> > > ?? expensive, it is the subsequent copies
>
> > > that bring down the per unit
>
> > > ?? cost.? So as fewer units are produced
>
> > > and shipped, the cost per unit
>
> > > ?? increases but not proportionately.
>
> > > ?? An apples to apples comparison was made
>
> > > between an online printer
>
> > > and
>
> > > ?? the current printer for both printing
>
> > > and mailing and the difference
>
> > > ?? was pennies.? That wasn't pennies per
>
> > > unit but for the whole run.
>
> > > ?? As far as I am concerned, it is the
>
> > > editors who should have the most
>
> > > ?? influence as to how and where their
>
> > > product is produced.? They are
>
> > > the
>
> > > ?? ones who must work with the printers
>
> > > and mailing houses on a regular
>
> > > ?? basis.
>
> > > ?? Bob Reid
>
> > > ?? In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24
>
> > > P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>
> > > ?? [19][42]asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > writes:
>
> > > ???? The last I heard (and I may have
>
> > > heard wrong), the board was
>
> > > ???? interested
>
> > > ???? in doing a -real- accounting
>
> > > comparison of printing costs, so for
>
> > > ???? me,
>
> > > ???? it's a wait and see kind of thing.? I
>
> > > agree, if POCA was missing
>
> > > out
>
> > > ???? on
>
> > > ???? full-color and paying $8,000 more for
>
> > > B/W then something is amiss.
>
> > > ???? However, I also believe Mr. Shortt
>
> > > didn't account for all costs
>
> > > ???? properly.? I have more faith that the
>
> > > present board members will
>
> > > ???? properly investigate and sort it out
>
> > > for everyone.
>
> > > ???? I am on-board with electronic
>
> > > delivery, though I do admit it's
>
> > > nice
>
> > > ???? to
>
> > > ???? just sit back and read a paper copy
>
> > > too.? It's also easier to
>
> > > ???? hand-off
>
> > > ???? to Sam so he can read it later.? How
>
> > > do you really fix that?
>
> > > ???? I would think (and I don't know),
>
> > > that the ClubExpress membership
>
> > > ???? database might be able to include a
>
> > > "preference" as part of the
>
> > > ???? member's
>
> > > ???? profile or details.? Just as I can
>
> > > set an address and phone
>
> > > number,
>
> > > ???? if I
>
> > > ???? could check a box for Electronic
>
> > > delivery or paper copies, or
>
> > > both,
>
> > > ???? and
>
> > > ???? select whatever I wanted for each
>
> > > item (Profiles versus
>
> > > Newsletter),
>
> > > ???? that might be ideal.
>
> > > ???? However, I'm also familiar with
>
> > > quantity discounting.? It very
>
> > > well
>
> > > ???? could be that it costs the same
>
> > > amount to print 500 as it does to
>
> > > ???? print
>
> > > ???? 50, or 10 (but I doubt it).? I
>
> > > imagine those are considerations
>
> > > the
>
> > > ???? board will look at as well.
>
> > > ???? Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie
>
> > > has claimed, I have heard (from
>
> > > ???? more
>
> > > ???? than one person), that Jack and Mike
>
> > > did not resign "because POCA
>
> > > ???? changed printers;" it was over
>
> > > "control" of newsletter content
>
> > > that
>
> > > ???? in
>
> > > ???? essence fell outside the bounds of
>
> > > the by-laws.? For a guy that
>
> > > ???? appeared
>
> > > ???? to try very hard to get everyone else
>
> > > to follow the by-laws (and
>
> > > ???? it's
>
> > > ???? unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
>
> > > certainly didn't feel they
>
> > > ???? applied
>
> > > ???? to him.
>
> > > ???? For the record, as I understand it,
>
> > > POCA has changed printers
>
> > > ???? -twice-
>
> > > ???? since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
> > > related to the DeRykes) got
>
> > > out
>
> > > ???? of
>
> > > ???? the business.? So the "family tie-in"
>
> > > previously eluded to, was
>
> > > not
>
> > > ???? a
>
> > > ???? factor in the resignations.
>
> > > ???? Just my $1.50? (two cents adjusted
>
> > > for inflation)
>
> > > ???? Asa? Jay
>
> > > ???? Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt,
>
> > > USAFR, Retired
>
> > > ???? &? Shelley Marie
>
> > > ???? Spokane, WA
>
> > > ???? ******************************
>
> > > ???? [20][43]http://w7tsc.org
>
> > > ???? [21][44]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> > > ????
>
> > > _______________________________________________
>
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> > > -------------- next part --------------
>
> > > I have a couple questions Bob:
>
> > >> Calling this situation "multiple dues
>
> > > levels" seems to be making the
>
> > > issue too complex. There are some members
>
> > > that are opting to not have
>
> > > printed magazines mailed which should make
>
> > > those members eligible for a
>
> > > discount because of the savings.
>
> > >> What is your estimate of the length
>
> > > of time that it would take the
>
> > > board to arrange for a vote of the
>
> > > membership to change the bylaws to
>
> > > allow for this discount?
>
> > >> Who specifically made that
>
> > > apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
>
> > >> I agree that the editors should have
>
> > > the most influence on the
>
> > > process. However, our editors of both
>
> > > publications seem to have a hard
>
> > > time reporting to the members about ANY
>
> > > issues pertaining to the
>
> > > publication's themselves. Might that
>
> > > change in the near future or will
>
> > > radio silence be the norm here?
>
> > > Marshall Smith
>
> > > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
> > > -------- Original message --------
>
> > > From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
>
> <[26][49]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> > > Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
> > > To: [27][50]asajay at asajay.com,
>
> > > [28][51]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
>
> > > paper vs. electronic
>
> > > To use a cliche, we're working on it.
>
> > > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
>
> > > pipeline. However, there
>
> > > are
>
> > > restrictions, particularly with the
>
> > > By-Laws as they currently stand.
>
> > > There
>
> > > are no provisions for multiple dues
>
> > > levels, particularly pertaining to
>
> > > how a
>
> > > member elects to have their club
>
> > > publications delivered, etc. That
>
> > > will
>
> > > take time as any changes or amendments
>
> > > must be approved by the whole
>
> > > membership.
>
> > > The consensus seems to be that the
>
> > > Profiles would continue as a print
>
> > > publication for all except foreign members
>
> > > who elect to receive it
>
> > > digitally.
>
> > > As far as printing is concerned, it is
>
> > > that first copy that is so
>
> > > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
>
> > > that bring down the per unit
>
> > > cost. So as
>
> > > fewer units are produced and shipped, the
>
> > > cost per unit increases but
>
> > > not
>
> > > proportionately.
>
> > > An apples to apples comparison was made
>
> > > between an online printer and
>
> > > the
>
> > > current printer for both printing and
>
> > > mailing and the difference was
>
> > > pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but
>
> > > for the whole run.
>
> > > As far as I am concerned, it is the
>
> > > editors who should have the most
>
> > > influence as to how and where their
>
> > > product is produced. They are the
>
> > > ones who
>
> > > must work with the printers and mailing
>
> > > houses on a regular basis.
>
> > > Bob Reid
>
> > > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
>
> > > Eastern Daylight Time,
>
> > > [29][52]asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > writes:
>
> > > The last I heard (and I may have heard
>
> > > wrong), the board was
>
> > > interested
>
> > > in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
>
> > > printing costs, so for me,
>
> > > it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
>
> > > agree, if POCA was missing out
>
> > > on
>
> > > full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
>
> > > then something is amiss.
>
> > > However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
>
> > > account for all costs
>
> > > properly. I have more faith that the
>
> > > present board members will
>
> > > properly investigate and sort it out for
>
> > > everyone.
>
> > > I am on-board with electronic delivery,
>
> > > though I do admit it's nice to
>
> > > just sit back and read a paper copy too.
>
> > > It's also easier to hand-off
>
> > > to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
>
> > > really fix that?
>
> > > I would think (and I don't know), that the
>
> > > ClubExpress membership
>
> > > database might be able to include a
>
> > > "preference" as part of the
>
> > > member's
>
> > > profile or details. Just as I can set an
>
> > > address and phone number, if
>
> > > I
>
> > > could check a box for Electronic delivery
>
> > > or paper copies, or both,
>
> > > and
>
> > > select whatever I wanted for each item
>
> > > (Profiles versus Newsletter),
>
> > > that might be ideal.
>
> > > However, I'm also familiar with quantity
>
> > > discounting. It very well
>
> > > could be that it costs the same amount to
>
> > > print 500 as it does to
>
> > > print
>
> > > 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
>
> > > those are considerations the
>
> > > board will look at as well.
>
> > > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
>
> > > claimed, I have heard (from
>
> > > more
>
> > > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
>
> > > not resign "because POCA
>
> > > changed printers;" it was over "control"
>
> > > of newsletter content that in
>
> > > essence fell outside the bounds of the
>
> > > by-laws. For a guy that
>
> > > appeared
>
> > > to try very hard to get everyone else to
>
> > > follow the by-laws (and it's
>
> > > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
>
> > > certainly didn't feel they
>
> > > applied
>
> > > to him.
>
> > > For the record, as I understand it, POCA
>
> > > has changed printers -twice-
>
> > > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
> > > related to the DeRykes) got out of
>
> > > the business. So the "family tie-in"
>
> > > previously eluded to, was not a
>
> > > factor in the resignations.
>
> > > Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
>
> > > inflation)
>
> > > Asa Jay
>
> > > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
>
> > > Retired
>
> > > & Shelley Marie
>
> > > Spokane, WA
>
> > > ******************************
>
> > > [30][53]http://w7tsc.org
>
> > > [31][54]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> > > _______________________________________________
>
> > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by
>
> > > POCA
>
> > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
>
> > > Megabytes
>
> > > DeTomaso mailing list
>
> > > [32][55]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > >
> [33][56]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > To manage your subscription (change email
>
> > > address, unsubscribe, etc.)
>
> > > use
>
> > > the links above.
>
> > > Members who post to this list grant
>
> > > license to the list to forward any
>
> > > message posted here to all past, current,
>
> > > or future members of the
>
> > > list. They
>
> > > also grant the list owner permission to
>
> > > maintain an archive or approve
>
> > > the
>
> > > archiving of list messages.
>
> > > To use a cliche, we're working on it.
>
> > > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
>
> > > pipeline. However, there
>
> > > are
>
> > > restrictions, particularly with the
>
> > > By-Laws as they currently stand.
>
> > > There are no provisions for multiple dues
>
> > > levels,
>
> > > particularly pertaining to how a member
>
> > > elects to have their club
>
> > > publications delivered, etc. That will
>
> > > take time as any changes or
>
> > > amendments must be approved by the whole
>
> > > membership.
>
> > > The consensus seems to be that the
>
> > > Profiles would continue as a
>
> > > print
>
> > > publication for all except foreign members
>
> > > who elect to receive it
>
> > > digitally.
>
> > > As far as printing is concerned, it is
>
> > > that first copy that is so
>
> > > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
>
> > > that bring down the per unit
>
> > > cost. So as fewer units are produced and
>
> > > shipped, the cost per unit
>
> > > increases but not proportionately.
>
> > > An apples to apples comparison was made
>
> > > between an online printer
>
> > > and
>
> > > the current printer for both printing and
>
> > > mailing and the difference
>
> > > was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit
>
> > > but for the whole run.
>
> > > As far as I am concerned, it is the
>
> > > editors who should have the most
>
> > > influence as to how and where their
>
> > > product is produced. They are
>
> > > the
>
> > > ones who must work with the printers and
>
> > > mailing houses on a regular
>
> > > basis.
>
> > > Bob Reid
>
> > > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
>
> > > Eastern Daylight Time,
>
> > > [34][57]asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > writes:
>
> > > The last I heard (and I may have heard
>
> > > wrong), the board was
>
> > > interested
>
> > > in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
>
> > > printing costs, so for
>
> > > me,
>
> > > it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
>
> > > agree, if POCA was missing
>
> > > out
>
> > > on
>
> > > full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
>
> > > then something is amiss.
>
> > > However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
>
> > > account for all costs
>
> > > properly. I have more faith that the
>
> > > present board members will
>
> > > properly investigate and sort it out for
>
> > > everyone.
>
> > > I am on-board with electronic delivery,
>
> > > though I do admit it's
>
> > > nice
>
> > > to
>
> > > just sit back and read a paper copy too.
>
> > > It's also easier to
>
> > > hand-off
>
> > > to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
>
> > > really fix that?
>
> > > I would think (and I don't know), that the
>
> > > ClubExpress membership
>
> > > database might be able to include a
>
> > > "preference" as part of the
>
> > > member's
>
> > > profile or details. Just as I can set an
>
> > > address and phone
>
> > > number,
>
> > > if I
>
> > > could check a box for Electronic delivery
>
> > > or paper copies, or
>
> > > both,
>
> > > and
>
> > > select whatever I wanted for each item
>
> > > (Profiles versus
>
> > > Newsletter),
>
> > > that might be ideal.
>
> > > However, I'm also familiar with quantity
>
> > > discounting. It very
>
> > > well
>
> > > could be that it costs the same amount to
>
> > > print 500 as it does to
>
> > > print
>
> > > 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
>
> > > those are considerations
>
> > > the
>
> > > board will look at as well.
>
> > > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
>
> > > claimed, I have heard (from
>
> > > more
>
> > > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
>
> > > not resign "because POCA
>
> > > changed printers;" it was over "control"
>
> > > of newsletter content
>
> > > that
>
> > > in
>
> > > essence fell outside the bounds of the
>
> > > by-laws. For a guy that
>
> > > appeared
>
> > > to try very hard to get everyone else to
>
> > > follow the by-laws (and
>
> > > it's
>
> > > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
>
> > > certainly didn't feel they
>
> > > applied
>
> > > to him.
>
> > > For the record, as I understand it, POCA
>
> > > has changed printers
>
> > > -twice-
>
> > > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
> > > related to the DeRykes) got
>
> > > out
>
> > > of
>
> > > the business. So the "family tie-in"
>
> > > previously eluded to, was
>
> > > not
>
> > > a
>
> > > factor in the resignations.
>
> > > Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
>
> > > inflation)
>
> > > Asa Jay
>
> > > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
>
> > > Retired
>
> > > & Shelley Marie
>
> > > Spokane, WA
>
> > > ******************************
>
> > > [35][58]http://w7tsc.org
>
> > > [36][59]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> > > _______________________________________________
>
> > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by
>
> > > POCA
>
> > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
>
> > > Megabytes
>
> > > DeTomaso mailing list
>
> > > [37][60]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > >
> [38][61]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > To manage your subscription (change email
>
> > > address, unsubscribe,
>
> > > etc.) use the links above.
>
> > > Members who post to this list grant
>
> > > license to the list to forward
>
> > > any message posted here to all past,
>
> > > current, or future members of
>
> > > the list. They also grant the list owner
>
> > > permission to maintain an
>
> > > archive or approve the archiving of list
>
> > > messages.
>
> > > _______________________________________________
>
> > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by
>
> > > POCA
>
> > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
>
> > > Megabytes
>
> > > DeTomaso mailing list
>
> > > [39][62]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > >
> [40][63]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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> > > Message: 2
>
> > > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:56:45 -0700
>
> > > From: Michael Cox <[41][64]coxmichaelt at gmail.com>
>
> > > To: [42][65]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera
>
> > > GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
>
> > > Message-ID:
>
> > >
>
>
> <CAMPkPf3HQcqg5vLxgjpJP=7z=UBbrVs=[43][66]ynAnbzepC1U9QH+A_Q at mail.gmail
>
> > > .com
>
> > >>
>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> > >> From: Ed Mendez <[44][67]edducati at mac.com>
>
> > >> Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera
>
> > > GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Hi! I found this on eBay and thought
>
> > > you might like it! Check it out
>
> > > now! De Tomaso:
>
> > >> Other Pantera GTS [45][68]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>
> > > These guys found that ad too. :^)
>
> > >
>
>
> [46][69]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
>
> > > a-ha
>
> > > s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
>
> > > --michael cox
>
> > > -------------- next part --------------
>
> > >> From: Ed Mendez <[1][47][70]edducati at mac.com>
>
> > >> Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera
>
> > > GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
>
> > >> A
>
> > >> Hi! I found this on eBay and thought
>
> > > you might like it! Check it out
>
> > > now!A De Tomaso:
>
> > >> Other Pantera GTSA [2][48][71]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>
> > > These guys found that ad too. A :^)
>
> > >
>
>
> [3][49][72]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pan
>
> > > tera
>
> > > -has
>
> > > -only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
>
> > > A A --michael cox
>
> > > References
>
> > > 1. [50][73]mailto:edducati at mac.com
>
> > > 2. [51][74]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>
> > > 3.
>
> > >
>
>
> [52][75]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
>
> > > a-ha
>
> > > s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
>
> > > ------------------------------
>
> > > Message: 3
>
> > > Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 08:05:15 -0700
>
> > > From: "Stephen" <[53][76]steve at snclocks.com>
>
> > > To: "'marshallgsmith'"
> <[54][77]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
>
> > > <[55][78]P6746 at aol.com>,
>
> > > <[56][79]asajay at asajay.com>,
>
> > > <[57][80]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
>
> > > paper vs. electronic
>
> > > Message-ID:
>
> > > <[81]004701d1f706$6ead4a50$4c07def0$@snclocks.com>
>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> > > Having been on Boards before - I'd suggest
>
> > > the current Board deserves
>
> > > some time to catch their breath and
>
> > > recover from the situation they
>
> > > have recently been through. It is amazing
>
> > > how much time something like
>
> > > this takes - and I suspect everyone on the
>
> > > Board would like to catch up
>
> > > on all the things they have let slide
>
> > > while coping with the removal of
>
> > > a president and all the animosity and
>
> > > e-mails the whole mess generated.
>
> > > It's so easy to ask questions - but takes
>
> > > a lot more time to figure out
>
> > > how to do everything asked below. For now,
>
> > > let's just let the Board
>
> > > recover and slowly get some of the loose
>
> > > ends taken care of.
>
> > > Stephen Nelson
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
>
> > > From: DeTomaso
>
> > > [[58][82]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>
> > > On
>
> > > Behalf Of marshallgsmith
>
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 8:28 PM
>
> > > To: [59][83]P6746 at aol.com; [60][84]asajay at asajay.com;
>
> > > [61][85]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
>
> > > paper vs. electronic
>
> > > I have a couple questions Bob:
>
> > >> Calling this situation "multiple dues
>
> > > levels" seems to be making the
>
> > > issue too complex. There are some members
>
> > > that are opting to not have
>
> > > printed magazines mailed which should make
>
> > > those members eligible for a
>
> > > discount because of the savings.
>
> > >> What is your estimate of the length
>
> > > of time that it would take the
>
> > > board to arrange for a vote of the
>
> > > membership to change the bylaws to
>
> > > allow for this discount?
>
> > >> Who specifically made that
>
> > > apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
>
> > >> I agree that the editors should have
>
> > > the most influence on the
>
> > > process. However, our editors of both
>
> > > publications seem to have a hard
>
> > > time reporting to the members about ANY
>
> > > issues pertaining to the
>
> > > publication's themselves. Might that
>
> > > change in the near future or will
>
> > > radio silence be the norm here?
>
> > > Marshall Smith
>
> > > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
> > > -------- Original message --------
>
> > > From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
>
> <[62][86]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> > > Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
> > > To: [63][87]asajay at asajay.com,
>
> > > [64][88]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
>
> > > paper vs. electronic
>
> > > To use a cliche, we're working on it.
>
> > > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
>
> > > pipeline. However, there are
>
> > > restrictions, particularly with the
>
> > > By-Laws as they currently stand.
>
> > > There are no provisions for multiple dues
>
> > > levels, particularly
>
> > > pertaining to how a member elects to have
>
> > > their club publications
>
> > > delivered, etc. That will take time as any
>
> > > changes or amendments must
>
> > > be approved by the whole membership.
>
> > > The consensus seems to be that the
>
> > > Profiles would continue as a print
>
> > > publication for all except foreign members
>
> > > who elect to receive it
>
> > > digitally.
>
> > > As far as printing is concerned, it is
>
> > > that first copy that is so
>
> > > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
>
> > > that bring down the per unit
>
> > > cost. So as fewer units are produced and
>
> > > shipped, the cost per unit
>
> > > increases but not proportionately.
>
> > > An apples to apples comparison was made
>
> > > between an online printer and
>
> > > the current printer for both printing and
>
> > > mailing and the difference
>
> > > was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit
>
> > > but for the whole run.
>
> > > As far as I am concerned, it is the
>
> > > editors who should have the most
>
> > > influence as to how and where their
>
> > > product is produced. They are the
>
> > > ones who must work with the printers and
>
> > > mailing houses on a regular
>
> > > basis.
>
> > > Bob Reid
>
> > > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
>
> > > Eastern Daylight Time,
>
> > > [65][89]asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > writes:
>
> > > The last I heard (and I may have heard
>
> > > wrong), the board was interested
>
> > > in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
>
> > > printing costs, so for me,
>
> > > it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
>
> > > agree, if POCA was missing out on
>
> > > full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
>
> > > then something is amiss.
>
> > > However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
>
> > > account for all costs
>
> > > properly. I have more faith that the
>
> > > present board members will
>
> > > properly investigate and sort it out for
>
> > > everyone.
>
> > > I am on-board with electronic delivery,
>
> > > though I do admit it's nice to
>
> > > just sit back and read a paper copy too.
>
> > > It's also easier to hand-off
>
> > > to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
>
> > > really fix that?
>
> > > I would think (and I don't know), that the
>
> > > ClubExpress membership
>
> > > database might be able to include a
>
> > > "preference" as part of the
>
> > > member's profile or details. Just as I can
>
> > > set an address and phone
>
> > > number, if I could check a box for
>
> > > Electronic delivery or paper copies,
>
> > > or both, and select whatever I wanted for
>
> > > each item (Profiles versus
>
> > > Newsletter), that might be ideal.
>
> > > However, I'm also familiar with quantity
>
> > > discounting. It very well
>
> > > could be that it costs the same amount to
>
> > > print 500 as it does to print
>
> > > 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
>
> > > those are considerations the
>
> > > board will look at as well.
>
> > > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
>
> > > claimed, I have heard (from more
>
> > > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
>
> > > not resign "because POCA
>
> > > changed printers;" it was over "control"
>
> > > of newsletter content that in
>
> > > essence fell outside the bounds of the
>
> > > by-laws. For a guy that appeared
>
> > > to try very hard to get everyone else to
>
> > > follow the by-laws (and it's
>
> > > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
>
> > > certainly didn't feel they
>
> > > applied to him.
>
> > > For the record, as I understand it, POCA
>
> > > has changed printers -twice-
>
> > > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
> > > related to the DeRykes) got out of
>
> > > the business. So the "family tie-in"
>
> > > previously eluded to, was not a
>
> > > factor in the resignations.
>
> > > Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
>
> > > inflation) Asa Jay
>
> > > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
>
> > > Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane,
>
> > > WA
>
> > > ******************************
>
> > > [66]http://w7tsc.org
>
> > > [67]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
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>
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> > > messages.
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> > > To use a cliche, we're working on it.
>
> > > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
>
> > > pipeline. However, there are
>
> > > restrictions, particularly with the
>
> > > By-Laws as they currently stand.
>
> > > There are no provisions for multiple dues
>
> > > levels,
>
> > > particularly pertaining to how a member
>
> > > elects to have their club
>
> > > publications delivered, etc. That will
>
> > > take time as any changes or
>
> > > amendments must be approved by the whole
>
> > > membership.
>
> > > The consensus seems to be that the
>
> > > Profiles would continue as a print
>
> > > publication for all except foreign members
>
> > > who elect to receive it
>
> > > digitally.
>
> > > As far as printing is concerned, it is
>
> > > that first copy that is so
>
> > > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
>
> > > that bring down the per unit
>
> > > cost. So as fewer units are produced and
>
> > > shipped, the cost per unit
>
> > > increases but not proportionately.
>
> > > An apples to apples comparison was made
>
> > > between an online printer and
>
> > > the current printer for both printing and
>
> > > mailing and the difference
>
> > > was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit
>
> > > but for the whole run.
>
> > > As far as I am concerned, it is the
>
> > > editors who should have the most
>
> > > influence as to how and where their
>
> > > product is produced. They are the
>
> > > ones who must work with the printers and
>
> > > mailing houses on a regular
>
> > > basis.
>
> > > Bob Reid
>
> > > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
>
> > > Eastern Daylight Time,
>
> > > [70]asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > writes:
>
> > > The last I heard (and I may have heard
>
> > > wrong), the board was
>
> > > interested
>
> > > in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
>
> > > printing costs, so for
>
> > > me,
>
> > > it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
>
> > > agree, if POCA was missing out
>
> > > on
>
> > > full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
>
> > > then something is amiss.
>
> > > However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
>
> > > account for all costs
>
> > > properly. I have more faith that the
>
> > > present board members will
>
> > > properly investigate and sort it out for
>
> > > everyone.
>
> > > I am on-board with electronic delivery,
>
> > > though I do admit it's nice
>
> > > to
>
> > > just sit back and read a paper copy too.
>
> > > It's also easier to
>
> > > hand-off
>
> > > to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
>
> > > really fix that?
>
> > > I would think (and I don't know), that the
>
> > > ClubExpress membership
>
> > > database might be able to include a
>
> > > "preference" as part of the
>
> > > member's
>
> > > profile or details. Just as I can set an
>
> > > address and phone number,
>
> > > if I
>
> > > could check a box for Electronic delivery
>
> > > or paper copies, or both,
>
> > > and
>
> > > select whatever I wanted for each item
>
> > > (Profiles versus Newsletter),
>
> > > that might be ideal.
>
> > > However, I'm also familiar with quantity
>
> > > discounting. It very well
>
> > > could be that it costs the same amount to
>
> > > print 500 as it does to
>
> > > print
>
> > > 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
>
> > > those are considerations the
>
> > > board will look at as well.
>
> > > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
>
> > > claimed, I have heard (from
>
> > > more
>
> > > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
>
> > > not resign "because POCA
>
> > > changed printers;" it was over "control"
>
> > > of newsletter content that
>
> > > in
>
> > > essence fell outside the bounds of the
>
> > > by-laws. For a guy that
>
> > > appeared
>
> > > to try very hard to get everyone else to
>
> > > follow the by-laws (and
>
> > > it's
>
> > > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
>
> > > certainly didn't feel they
>
> > > applied
>
> > > to him.
>
> > > For the record, as I understand it, POCA
>
> > > has changed printers
>
> > > -twice-
>
> > > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
> > > related to the DeRykes) got out
>
> > > of
>
> > > the business. So the "family tie-in"
>
> > > previously eluded to, was not
>
> > > a
>
> > > factor in the resignations.
>
> > > Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
>
> > > inflation)
>
> > > Asa Jay
>
> > > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
>
> > > Retired
>
> > > & Shelley Marie
>
> > > Spokane, WA
>
> > > ******************************
>
> > > [71]http://w7tsc.org
>
> > > [72]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
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> > > End of DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 20
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> > > *****************************************
>
> > >
>
> > > References
>
> > >
>
> > > 1. [1]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 2. [2]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 3.
>
> [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 4. [4]mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 5. [5]mailto:owner at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 6. [6]mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>
> > > 7. [7]mailto:P6746 at aol.com
>
> > > 8. [8]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 9. [9]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 10.
>
> > >
>
> [10]mailto:sdxpj9k7caacwyvlamgw7uly.1471231663405 at email.android.com
>
> > > 11. [11]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 12. [12]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 13. [13]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 14. [14]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 15. [15]http://w7tsc.org/
>
> > > 16. [16]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
> > > 17. [17]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 18.
>
> [18]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 19. [19]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 20. [20]http://w7tsc.org/
>
> > > 21. [21]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
> > > 22. [22]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 23.
>
> [23]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 24. [24]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 25.
>
> [25]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 26. [26]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 27. [27]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 28. [28]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 29. [29]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 30. [30]http://w7tsc.org/
>
> > > 31. [31]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
> > > 32. [32]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 33.
>
> [33]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 34. [34]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 35. [35]http://w7tsc.org/
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>
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>
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>
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Stephen, thank you for saying what I was about to say.
If folks want to continue to rant about this, do the courteous thing,
do it offline and don't burden the rest of the world with a subject
that the BOD will hopefully sort out and do the right thing, putting
personality conflicts aside and implementing the needed changes to
improve the club.
Dick Koch - Atlanta
On Aug 16, 2016 2:28 PM, "Stephen" <[1]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
A A So, when, exactly, did we stop beating our spouses???
A A Effie - gads - you have the names of the printers!A Call them
- short
A A of that I can assure you any good photographer can modify a
document so
A A you will not be able to know what is real and what is not.
A A Let's stop the witch hunt - look at the folks who stood up to
the
A A shortt.A Think about how long they have been a part of POCA.A
Are they
A A out for personal gain in standing up to a person who made way
too many
A A folks want to quit?
A A If you or others wish to continue the witch hunt - please start
a new
A A thread, with the initials MS in front of the subject.A That
way I can
A A route all e-mails associated with the thread to my trash bin.
A A I'm going to go back to working on 5332 and hope this whole
nightmare
A A will just go away.
A A Stephen Nelson
A A -----Original Message-----
A A From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces@
server.detomasolist.com] On
A A Behalf Of Effie Richards
A A Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 10:30 AM
A A To: 'Charles McCall' <[3]charlesmccall at gmail.com>;
'marshallgsmith'
A A <[4]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
A A Cc: 'detomaso' <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; 'laurie
Basile'
A A <[6]laurieferrari at aol.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
A A Where are the actual proposals/quotes from the printers, not
the ones
A A the editor posted here.A Those as they appear, could have been
A A manipulated - I'm not accusing anyone, I am just saying, as any
court
A A would say - an experienced editor like Jack could add or delete
to
A A create and post what he did here.A Since there are many still
A A questioning the printer cost, let's see the actual bids.
A A From: Charles McCall [[1]mailto:[7]charlesmccall at gmail.com]
A A Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 12:08 AM
A A To: marshallgsmith
A A Cc: Michael Haney; Judith McCartney; Effie Richards; Julian
Kift;
A A detomaso; laurie Basile
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
A A You did all read the info sent by Judy McCartney last week with
Jack's
A A explanation?
A A Re-sent here in case you didn't see it. Please open the
attachment - I
A A promise no viruses are included
A A On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 8:20 AM, marshallgsmith
A A <[2][8]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
A A A Hey Michael,
A A A I think the best way to put this controversy to bed is if
you or
A A your
A A A dad could speak about not being cooperative in regards to
the the
A A use
A A A of another printer that supposedly afforded the club an
$8,000
A A savings.
A A A That really seems to be the only issue that continues this
A A controversy
A A A and I still haven't heard either of you discuss the
allegation. I'm
A A A sure your response will cut this thread for good and allow
us all to
A A A move on with the rebuilding of this great club.
A A A Marshall Smith
A A A President, San Diego Panteras
A A A Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
A A A -------- Original message --------
A A A From: Michael Haney <[3][9]paso750 at gmail.com>
A A A Date: 8/15/16 10:36 PM (GMT-08:00)
A A A To: 'Judith McCartney' <[4][10]jpoca2 at hotmail.com>, 'Effie
Richards'
A A A <[5][11]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>, 'Julian Kift'
A A A <[6][12]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A A Cc: [7][13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com, 'laurie
Basile'
A A A <[8][14]laurieferrari at aol.com>
A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
A A A Thank you very much, Judy.
A A A I really wish this thread would just die.
A A A I know that this isn't the answer you're fishing for, but
it'll have
A A to
A A A do
A A A since it's the truth.
A A A Nancy quit and took her associate (me) with her because she
was
A A tired
A A A of
A A A hearing from me all about Shortt's efforts to take over
every aspect
A A of
A A A POCA.
A A A I didn't fight her decision because I was in turn tired of
Shortt's
A A A intimidation and bullying tactics. Frankly, being on the
Board
A A wasn't
A A A fun
A A A anymore and I was also very tired of Shortt's constant
preening.
A A A As a matter of record, I resigned from the Board BEFORE
Profiles #3
A A A even
A A A went to the printer. I had nearly finished it and decided
that I
A A didn't
A A A want
A A A to let the POCA members down. I really didn't want to
contribute any
A A A more to
A A A Shortt's regime, but my conscience won.
A A A Even after I sent the magazine in, I still had to deal with
Shortt.
A A He
A A A decided to interfere with the printer, sent them a database
with a
A A A whole
A A A bunch of problematic info and threaten nonpayment if he
didn't get
A A A preliminary proofs. How do I know this? I received a call
while I
A A was
A A A at
A A A work from the woman working in Allegra Printing's mail
room. She
A A called
A A A Shortt and he wouldn't help her with the database and
ignored her
A A A questions.
A A A Having no one else to call, she called me. I in turn
contacted Judy,
A A A our
A A A Membership Director, who fixed the problems that Shortt
created.
A A A Regarding Shortt's allegations of graft, if anyone can find
a
A A A connection
A A A between my family and anyone who EVER worked at Allegra
Printing in
A A A Reno,
A A A Nevada, (or indeed any of Allegra's branches) please let me
know.
A A A My Dad might respond as well, but he's been pretty busy
caring for
A A my
A A A SERIOUSLY ill Mom who was in the hospital for the last two
weeks and
A A A who
A A A might finally be able to come back home in a couple more.
A A A Now, can we finally put this "controversy" to rest?
A A A Mike Haney
A A A -----Original Message-----
A A A From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:[15]detomaso-bounces@
server.detomasolist.com]
A A On
A A A Behalf
A A A Of Judith McCartney
A A A Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 8:44 PM
A A A To: Effie Richards; Julian Kift
A A A Cc: [10][16]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; laurie Basile
A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
A A A Mike Haney gave his resignation months way head of Jacks,
two diff
A A A reasons.
A A A Judith McCartney, Membership Director & Fun Rally
coordinator.
A A A > From: [11][17]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
A A A > Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 18:43:43 -0700
A A A > To: [12][18]julian_kift at hotmail.com
A A A > CC: [13][19]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
A A [14][20]laurieferrari at aol.com
A A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
A A A >
A A A > Julian these are the same questions some of us have had
and have
A A been
A A A waiting for a reply or statement. I'm willing to give the
board some
A A A time to
A A A come up with one.
A A A >
A A A > Sent from Effie's iPad
A A A >
A A A > > On Aug 15, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Julian Kift
A A <[15][21]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A A wrote:
A A A > >
A A A > >A A I have digested all the emails on this topic and to
be honest
A A it
A A A still
A A A > >A A doesn't sit well in my gut.
A A A > >
A A A > >
A A A > >A A Presumably the BOD voted in favor of changing
printers based
A A upon
A A A the
A A A > >A A quotes presented. Did they not have all the facts
and
A A A > >A A if not why did they not question further? Did Jack
have all
A A the
A A A facts
A A A w
A A A > >A A hen he resigned or were his and Mike Haney's
resignations
A A simply
A A A an
A A A > >A A outright stand against changing printer?
A A A > >
A A A > >
A A A > >A A Why did Michael push to change printer if he knew
there was
A A only
A A A > >A A pennies between it?
A A A > >
A A A > >
A A A > >A A Julian
A A A > >
A A A ______________________________
____________________________________
A A A > >
A A A > >A A From: DeTomaso <[16][22]detomaso-bounces at server.
detomasolist.com>
A A on
A A A behalf of
A A A > >A A marshall smith <[17][23]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.
net>
A A A > >A A Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:11 AM
A A A > >A A To: [18][24]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
A A [19][25]laurieferrari at aol.com
A A A > >A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
A A A > >
A A A > >A A I find it funny that three months after the Fun
Rally we are
A A now
A A A > >A A hearing that Shortt's bid for printing did not
include
A A shipping.
A A A Shortt
A A A > >A A is a lot of things but a mistake like this...?
A A A > >A A I was listening in on this meeting also and I know
what I
A A heard.
A A A > >A A Apparently, the board convinced 'some' members of
this
A A so-called
A A A > >A A discrepancy month's ago. Why wasn't this
information, if it
A A A exists,
A A A > >A A relayed to ALL of us in a timely manner?
A A A > >A A Marshall
A A A > >
A A A > >A A --------------------------------------------
A A A > >A A On Mon, 8/15/16, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
A A A > >A A <[20][26]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A A > >A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
A A A > >A A To: [21][27]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A A > >A A Date: Monday, August 15, 2016, 9:57 AM
A A A > >
A A A > >A A A A Dear AJ,
A A A > >
A A A > >A A A A I have always respected you and your
A A A > >A A opinions but in this case you are
A A A > >A A A A incorrect as far as the resignation of
A A A > >A A Jack DeRyke.A I was on the Board
A A A > >A A A A of Directors' conference call where he was
A A A > >A A asked to stay and he
A A A > >A A A A adamantly refused to if the printer
A A A > >A A changed.A Jack's resignation was
A A A > >A A A A specifically because of the change in
A A A > >A A printer!A You can go research
A A A > >A A A A that phone conference call, or the minutes
A A A > >A A of the meeting, as the facts
A A A > >A A A A are saved.A As far as Mike Haney's
A A A > >A A resignation, that was done by his
A A A > >A A A A Mrs. for their reasons which most likely
A A A > >A A were aligned with their
A A A > >A A A A parents.
A A A > >
A A A > >A A A A Laurie
A A A > >
A A A > >A A A A A In a message dated 8/13/2016
A A A > >A A 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,?
A A A > >A A A A A [1][22][28]asajay at asajay.com
A A A > >A A writes:
A A A > >A A A A A The last? I heard (and I may have
A A A > >A A heard wrong), the board was
A A A > >A A A A A interested
A A A > >A A A A A in doing a? -real- accounting
A A A > >A A comparison of printing costs, so for
A A A > >A A A A A me,
A A A > >A A A A A it's a wait and? see kind of
A A A > >A A thing.? I agree, if POCA was missing
A A A > >A A A A A out on
A A A > >A A A A A full-color? and paying $8,000 more
A A A > >A A for B/W then something is amiss.?
A A A > >A A A A A However, I? also believe Mr. Shortt
A A A > >A A didn't account for all costs
A A A > >A A A A A properly.? I? have more faith that
A A A > >A A the present board members will
A A A > >A A A A A properly investigate? and sort it
A A A > >A A out for everyone.
A A A > >A A A A A I am on-board with electronic
A A A > >A A delivery,? though I do admit it's nice
A A A > >A A A A A to
A A A > >A A A A A just sit back and read a paper
A A A > >A A copy? too.? It's also easier to
A A A > >A A A A A hand-off
A A A > >A A A A A to Sam so he can read it? later.?
A A A > >A A How do you really fix that?
A A A > >A A A A A I would think (and I don't? know),
A A A > >A A that the ClubExpress membership
A A A > >A A A A A database might be able to include
A A A > >A A a? "preference" as part of the
A A A > >A A A A A member's
A A A > >A A A A A profile or details.? Just as I? can
A A A > >A A set an address and phone number,
A A A > >A A A A A if I
A A A > >A A A A A could check a box for Electronic?
A A A > >A A delivery or paper copies, or both,
A A A > >A A A A A and
A A A > >A A A A A select whatever I wanted for each?
A A A > >A A item (Profiles versus
A A A > >A A A A A Newsletter),
A A A > >A A A A A that might be ideal.
A A A > >A A A A A However,? I'm also familiar with
A A A > >A A quantity discounting.? It very well
A A A > >A A A A A could be? that it costs the same
A A A > >A A amount to print 500 as it does to
A A A > >A A A A A print
A A A > >A A A A A 50, or 10? (but I doubt it).? I
A A A > >A A imagine those are considerations the
A A A > >A A A A A board will? look at as well.
A A A > >A A A A A Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie
A A A > >A A has claimed, I have? heard (from
A A A > >A A A A A more
A A A > >A A A A A than one person), that Jack and
A A A > >A A Mike did not resign? "because POCA
A A A > >A A A A A changed printers;" it was over
A A A > >A A "control" of newsletter? content that
A A A > >A A A A A in
A A A > >A A A A A essence fell outside the bounds of
A A A > >A A the by-laws.? For? a guy that
A A A > >A A A A A appeared
A A A > >A A A A A to try very hard to get everyone
A A A > >A A else to follow the? by-laws (and
A A A > >A A A A A it's
A A A > >A A A A A unwritten code of ethics), Mr.
A A A > >A A Shortt certainly didn't? feel they
A A A > >A A A A A applied
A A A > >A A A A A to him.
A A A > >A A A A A For the record, as I understand it,
A A A > >A A POCA? has changed printers
A A A > >A A A A A -twice-
A A A > >A A A A A since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
A A A > >A A related? to the DeRykes) got out
A A A > >A A A A A of
A A A > >A A A A A the business.? So the "family
A A A > >A A tie-in"? previously eluded to, was not
A A A > >A A A A A a
A A A > >A A A A A factor in the resignations.
A A A > >A A A A A Just my? $1.50? (two cents adjusted
A A A > >A A for inflation)
A A A > >A A A A A Asa? Jay
A A A > >A A A A A Asa Jay? Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt,
A A A > >A A USAFR, Retired
A A A > >A A A A A &? Shelley? Mar
A A A > >
A A A > >A A A A -----Original Message-----
A A A > >A A A A From: detomaso-request
A A A <[23][29]detomaso-request at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A > >A A A A To: detomaso <[24][30]detomaso at server.
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A A A > >A A A A Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2016 9:00 am
A A A > >A A A A Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue
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A A A > >A A A A 1. Re: Newsletters, cost, paper vs.
A A A > >A A electronic (marshallgsmith)
A A A > >A A A A 2. Re: De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay!
A A A > >A A again $250K!! (Michael Cox)
A A A > >A A A A 3. Re: Newsletters, cost, paper vs.
A A A > >A A electronic (Stephen)
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A A A > >A A ---
A A A > >A A A A Message: 1
A A A > >A A A A Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:27:43 -0700
A A A > >A A A A From: marshallgsmith
<[6][29][35]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
A A A > >A A A A To: [7][30][36]P6746 at aol.com,
[8][31][37]asajay at asajay.com,
A A A > >A A A A [9][32][38]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A A > >A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
A A A > >A A paper vs. electronic
A A A > >A A A A Message-ID:
A A A > >
A A A <[10][33][39]sdxpj9k7caacwyvlamgw7uly.1471231663405 at email.
android.com>
A A A > >A A A A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
A A A > >A A A A I have a couple questions Bob:
A A A > >> Calling this situation "multiple dues
A A A > >A A levels" seems to be making the
A A A > >A A A A issue too complex. There are some members
A A A > >A A that are opting to not have
A A A > >A A A A printed magazines mailed which should make
A A A > >A A those members eligible for a
A A A > >A A A A discount because of the savings.
A A A > >> What is your estimate of the length
A A A > >A A of time that it would take the
A A A > >A A A A board to arrange for a vote of the
A A A > >A A membership to change the bylaws to
A A A > >A A A A allow for this discount?
A A A > >> Who specifically made that
A A A > >A A apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
A A A > >> I agree that the editors should have
A A A > >A A the most influence ?on the
A A A > >A A A A process. ?However, our editors of both
A A A > >A A publications seem to have a hard
A A A > >A A A A time reporting to the members about ANY
A A A > >A A issues pertaining to the
A A A > >A A A A publication's themselves. Might that
A A A > >A A change in the near future or will
A A A > >A A A A radio silence be the norm here?
A A A > >A A A A Marshall Smith
A A A > >A A A A Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
A A A > >A A A A -------- Original message --------
A A A > >A A A A From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
A A A <[11][34][40]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A > >A A A A Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
A A A > >A A A A To: [12][35][41]asajay at asajay.com,
A A A > >A A [13][36][42]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A A > >A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
A A A > >A A paper vs. electronic
A A A > >A A A A To use a cliche, we're working on it.?
A A A > >A A A A Most of what has been mentioned is in the
A A A > >A A pipeline.?? However, there
A A A > >A A A A are
A A A > >A A A A restrictions, particularly with the
A A A > >A A By-Laws as they currently? stand.?
A A A > >A A A A There
A A A > >A A A A are no provisions for multiple dues
A A A > >A A levels,? particularly pertaining to
A A A > >A A A A how a
A A A > >A A A A member elects to have their club?
A A A > >A A publications delivered, etc.? That
A A A > >A A A A will
A A A > >A A A A take time as any changes or? amendments
A A A > >A A must be approved by the whole
A A A > >A A A A membership.
A A A > >A A A A The consensus seems to be that the
A A A > >A A Profiles would? continue as a print
A A A > >A A A A publication for all except foreign members
A A A > >A A who elect to? receive it
A A A > >A A A A digitally.?
A A A > >A A A A As far as printing is concerned, it is
A A A > >A A that first copy that is? so
A A A > >A A A A expensive, it is the subsequent copies
A A A > >A A that bring down the per unit?
A A A > >A A A A cost.? So as
A A A > >A A A A fewer units are produced and shipped, the
A A A > >A A cost per unit? increases but
A A A > >A A A A not
A A A > >A A A A proportionately.??
A A A > >A A A A An apples to apples comparison was made
A A A > >A A between an online? printer and
A A A > >A A A A the
A A A > >A A A A current printer for both printing and
A A A > >A A mailing and the difference? was
A A A > >A A A A pennies.? That wasn't pennies per unit but
A A A > >A A for the whole run.?
A A A > >A A A A As far as I am concerned, it is the
A A A > >A A editors who should have? the most
A A A > >A A A A influence as to how and where their
A A A > >A A product is produced.? They are? the
A A A > >A A A A ones who
A A A > >A A A A must work with the printers and mailing
A A A > >A A houses on a regular? basis.
A A A > >A A A A Bob Reid?
A A A > >A A A A In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
A A A > >A A Eastern Daylight Time,?
A A A > >A A A A [14][37][43]asajay at asajay.com
A A A > >A A writes:
A A A > >A A A A The last? I heard (and I may have heard
A A A > >A A wrong), the board was
A A A > >A A A A interested
A A A > >A A A A in doing a? -real- accounting comparison
A A A > >A A of printing costs, so for me,
A A A > >A A A A it's a wait and? see kind of thing.? I
A A A > >A A agree, if POCA was missing out
A A A > >A A A A on
A A A > >A A A A full-color? and paying $8,000 more for B/W
A A A > >A A then something is amiss.?
A A A > >A A A A However, I? also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
A A A > >A A account for all costs
A A A > >A A A A properly.? I? have more faith that the
A A A > >A A present board members will
A A A > >A A A A properly investigate? and sort it out for
A A A > >A A everyone.
A A A > >A A A A I am on-board with electronic delivery,?
A A A > >A A though I do admit it's nice to
A A A > >A A A A just sit back and read a paper copy? too.?
A A A > >A A It's also easier to hand-off
A A A > >A A A A to Sam so he can read it? later.? How do
A A A > >A A you really fix that?
A A A > >A A A A I would think (and I don't? know), that
A A A > >A A the ClubExpress membership
A A A > >A A A A database might be able to include a?
A A A > >A A "preference" as part of the
A A A > >A A A A member's
A A A > >A A A A profile or details.? Just as I? can set an
A A A > >A A address and phone number, if
A A A > >A A A A I
A A A > >A A A A could check a box for Electronic? delivery
A A A > >A A or paper copies, or both,
A A A > >A A A A and
A A A > >A A A A select whatever I wanted for each? item
A A A > >A A (Profiles versus Newsletter),
A A A > >A A A A that might be ideal.
A A A > >A A A A However,? I'm also familiar with quantity
A A A > >A A discounting.? It very well
A A A > >A A A A could be? that it costs the same amount to
A A A > >A A print 500 as it does to
A A A > >A A A A print
A A A > >A A A A 50, or 10? (but I doubt it).? I imagine
A A A > >A A those are considerations the
A A A > >A A A A board will? look at as well.
A A A > >A A A A Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
A A A > >A A claimed, I have? heard (from
A A A > >A A A A more
A A A > >A A A A than one person), that Jack and Mike did
A A A > >A A not resign? "because POCA
A A A > >A A A A changed printers;" it was over "control"
A A A > >A A of newsletter? content that in
A A A > >A A A A essence fell outside the bounds of the
A A A > >A A by-laws.? For? a guy that
A A A > >A A A A appeared
A A A > >A A A A to try very hard to get everyone else to
A A A > >A A follow the? by-laws (and it's
A A A > >A A A A unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
A A A > >A A certainly didn't? feel they
A A A > >A A A A applied
A A A > >A A A A to him.
A A A > >A A A A For the record, as I understand it, POCA?
A A A > >A A has changed printers -twice-
A A A > >A A A A since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
A A A > >A A related? to the DeRykes) got out of
A A A > >A A A A the business.? So the "family tie-in"?
A A A > >A A previously eluded to, was not a
A A A > >A A A A factor in the resignations.
A A A > >A A A A Just my? $1.50? (two cents adjusted for
A A A > >A A inflation)
A A A > >A A A A Asa? Jay
A A A > >A A A A Asa Jay? Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
A A A > >A A Retired
A A A > >A A A A &? Shelley? Marie
A A A > >A A A A Spokane,? WA
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A A A > >A A license to the list to? forward any
A A A > >A A A A message posted here to all past, current,
A A A > >A A or future members of the?
A A A > >A A A A list. They
A A A > >A A A A also grant the list owner permission to
A A A > >A A maintain an archive or? approve
A A A > >A A A A the
A A A > >A A A A archiving of list? messages.
A A A > >A A A A ?? To use a cliche, we're working on it.
A A A > >A A A A ?? Most of what has been mentioned is in
A A A > >A A the pipeline.? However, there
A A A > >A A A A are
A A A > >A A A A ?? restrictions, particularly with the
A A A > >A A By-Laws as they currently stand.
A A A > >A A A A ?? There are no provisions for multiple
A A A > >A A dues levels,
A A A > >A A A A ?? particularly pertaining to how a member
A A A > >A A elects to have their club
A A A > >A A A A ?? publications delivered, etc.? That will
A A A > >A A take time as any changes or
A A A > >A A A A ?? amendments must be approved by the
A A A > >A A whole membership.
A A A > >A A A A ?? The consensus seems to be that the
A A A > >A A Profiles would continue as a
A A A > >A A A A print
A A A > >A A A A ?? publication for all except foreign
A A A > >A A members who elect to receive it
A A A > >A A A A ?? digitally.
A A A > >A A A A ?? As far as printing is concerned, it is
A A A > >A A that first copy that is so
A A A > >A A A A ?? expensive, it is the subsequent copies
A A A > >A A that bring down the per unit
A A A > >A A A A ?? cost.? So as fewer units are produced
A A A > >A A and shipped, the cost per unit
A A A > >A A A A ?? increases but not proportionately.
A A A > >A A A A ?? An apples to apples comparison was made
A A A > >A A between an online printer
A A A > >A A A A and
A A A > >A A A A ?? the current printer for both printing
A A A > >A A and mailing and the difference
A A A > >A A A A ?? was pennies.? That wasn't pennies per
A A A > >A A unit but for the whole run.
A A A > >A A A A ?? As far as I am concerned, it is the
A A A > >A A editors who should have the most
A A A > >A A A A ?? influence as to how and where their
A A A > >A A product is produced.? They are
A A A > >A A A A the
A A A > >A A A A ?? ones who must work with the printers
A A A > >A A and mailing houses on a regular
A A A > >A A A A ?? basis.
A A A > >A A A A ?? Bob Reid
A A A > >A A A A ?? In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24
A A A > >A A P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
A A A > >A A A A ?? [19][42][48]asajay at asajay.com
A A A > >A A writes:
A A A > >A A A A ???? The last I heard (and I may have
A A A > >A A heard wrong), the board was
A A A > >A A A A ???? interested
A A A > >A A A A ???? in doing a -real- accounting
A A A > >A A comparison of printing costs, so for
A A A > >A A A A ???? me,
A A A > >A A A A ???? it's a wait and see kind of thing.? I
A A A > >A A agree, if POCA was missing
A A A > >A A A A out
A A A > >A A A A ???? on
A A A > >A A A A ???? full-color and paying $8,000 more for
A A A > >A A B/W then something is amiss.
A A A > >A A A A ???? However, I also believe Mr. Shortt
A A A > >A A didn't account for all costs
A A A > >A A A A ???? properly.? I have more faith that the
A A A > >A A present board members will
A A A > >A A A A ???? properly investigate and sort it out
A A A > >A A for everyone.
A A A > >A A A A ???? I am on-board with electronic
A A A > >A A delivery, though I do admit it's
A A A > >A A A A nice
A A A > >A A A A ???? to
A A A > >A A A A ???? just sit back and read a paper copy
A A A > >A A too.? It's also easier to
A A A > >A A A A ???? hand-off
A A A > >A A A A ???? to Sam so he can read it later.? How
A A A > >A A do you really fix that?
A A A > >A A A A ???? I would think (and I don't know),
A A A > >A A that the ClubExpress membership
A A A > >A A A A ???? database might be able to include a
A A A > >A A "preference" as part of the
A A A > >A A A A ???? member's
A A A > >A A A A ???? profile or details.? Just as I can
A A A > >A A set an address and phone
A A A > >A A A A number,
A A A > >A A A A ???? if I
A A A > >A A A A ???? could check a box for Electronic
A A A > >A A delivery or paper copies, or
A A A > >A A A A both,
A A A > >A A A A ???? and
A A A > >A A A A ???? select whatever I wanted for each
A A A > >A A item (Profiles versus
A A A > >A A A A Newsletter),
A A A > >A A A A ???? that might be ideal.
A A A > >A A A A ???? However, I'm also familiar with
A A A > >A A quantity discounting.? It very
A A A > >A A A A well
A A A > >A A A A ???? could be that it costs the same
A A A > >A A amount to print 500 as it does to
A A A > >A A A A ???? print
A A A > >A A A A ???? 50, or 10 (but I doubt it).? I
A A A > >A A imagine those are considerations
A A A > >A A A A the
A A A > >A A A A ???? board will look at as well.
A A A > >A A A A ???? Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie
A A A > >A A has claimed, I have heard (from
A A A > >A A A A ???? more
A A A > >A A A A ???? than one person), that Jack and Mike
A A A > >A A did not resign "because POCA
A A A > >A A A A ???? changed printers;" it was over
A A A > >A A "control" of newsletter content
A A A > >A A A A that
A A A > >A A A A ???? in
A A A > >A A A A ???? essence fell outside the bounds of
A A A > >A A the by-laws.? For a guy that
A A A > >A A A A ???? appeared
A A A > >A A A A ???? to try very hard to get everyone else
A A A > >A A to follow the by-laws (and
A A A > >A A A A ???? it's
A A A > >A A A A ???? unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
A A A > >A A certainly didn't feel they
A A A > >A A A A ???? applied
A A A > >A A A A ???? to him.
A A A > >A A A A ???? For the record, as I understand it,
A A A > >A A POCA has changed printers
A A A > >A A A A ???? -twice-
A A A > >A A A A ???? since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
A A A > >A A related to the DeRykes) got
A A A > >A A A A out
A A A > >A A A A ???? of
A A A > >A A A A ???? the business.? So the "family tie-in"
A A A > >A A previously eluded to, was
A A A > >A A A A not
A A A > >A A A A ???? a
A A A > >A A A A ???? factor in the resignations.
A A A > >A A A A ???? Just my $1.50? (two cents adjusted
A A A > >A A for inflation)
A A A > >A A A A ???? Asa? Jay
A A A > >A A A A ???? Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt,
A A A > >A A USAFR, Retired
A A A > >A A A A ???? &? Shelley Marie
A A A > >A A A A ???? Spokane, WA
A A A > >A A A A ???? ******************************
A A A > >A A A A ???? [20][43][49]http://w7tsc.org
A A A > >A A A A ???? [21][44][50]http://www.
teampanteraracing.com
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A A A > >A A POCA
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A A A > >A A A A I have a couple questions Bob:
A A A > >> Calling this situation "multiple dues
A A A > >A A levels" seems to be making the
A A A > >A A A A issue too complex. There are some members
A A A > >A A that are opting to not have
A A A > >A A A A printed magazines mailed which should make
A A A > >A A those members eligible for a
A A A > >A A A A discount because of the savings.
A A A > >> What is your estimate of the length
A A A > >A A of time that it would take the
A A A > >A A A A board to arrange for a vote of the
A A A > >A A membership to change the bylaws to
A A A > >A A A A allow for this discount?
A A A > >> Who specifically made that
A A A > >A A apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
A A A > >> I agree that the editors should have
A A A > >A A the most influence on the
A A A > >A A A A process. However, our editors of both
A A A > >A A publications seem to have a hard
A A A > >A A A A time reporting to the members about ANY
A A A > >A A issues pertaining to the
A A A > >A A A A publication's themselves. Might that
A A A > >A A change in the near future or will
A A A > >A A A A radio silence be the norm here?
A A A > >A A A A Marshall Smith
A A A > >A A A A Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
A A A > >A A A A -------- Original message --------
A A A > >A A A A From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
A A A <[26][49][55]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A > >A A A A Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
A A A > >A A A A To: [27][50][56]asajay at asajay.com,
A A A > >A A [28][51][57]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A A > >A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
A A A > >A A paper vs. electronic
A A A > >A A A A To use a cliche, we're working on it.
A A A > >A A A A Most of what has been mentioned is in the
A A A > >A A pipeline. However, there
A A A > >A A A A are
A A A > >A A A A restrictions, particularly with the
A A A > >A A By-Laws as they currently stand.
A A A > >A A A A There
A A A > >A A A A are no provisions for multiple dues
A A A > >A A levels, particularly pertaining to
A A A > >A A A A how a
A A A > >A A A A member elects to have their club
A A A > >A A publications delivered, etc. That
A A A > >A A A A will
A A A > >A A A A take time as any changes or amendments
A A A > >A A must be approved by the whole
A A A > >A A A A membership.
A A A > >A A A A The consensus seems to be that the
A A A > >A A Profiles would continue as a print
A A A > >A A A A publication for all except foreign members
A A A > >A A who elect to receive it
A A A > >A A A A digitally.
A A A > >A A A A As far as printing is concerned, it is
A A A > >A A that first copy that is so
A A A > >A A A A expensive, it is the subsequent copies
A A A > >A A that bring down the per unit
A A A > >A A A A cost. So as
A A A > >A A A A fewer units are produced and shipped, the
A A A > >A A cost per unit increases but
A A A > >A A A A not
A A A > >A A A A proportionately.
A A A > >A A A A An apples to apples comparison was made
A A A > >A A between an online printer and
A A A > >A A A A the
A A A > >A A A A current printer for both printing and
A A A > >A A mailing and the difference was
A A A > >A A A A pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but
A A A > >A A for the whole run.
A A A > >A A A A As far as I am concerned, it is the
A A A > >A A editors who should have the most
A A A > >A A A A influence as to how and where their
A A A > >A A product is produced. They are the
A A A > >A A A A ones who
A A A > >A A A A must work with the printers and mailing
A A A > >A A houses on a regular basis.
A A A > >A A A A Bob Reid
A A A > >A A A A In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
A A A > >A A Eastern Daylight Time,
A A A > >A A A A [29][52][58]asajay at asajay.com
A A A > >A A writes:
A A A > >A A A A The last I heard (and I may have heard
A A A > >A A wrong), the board was
A A A > >A A A A interested
A A A > >A A A A in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
A A A > >A A printing costs, so for me,
A A A > >A A A A it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
A A A > >A A agree, if POCA was missing out
A A A > >A A A A on
A A A > >A A A A full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
A A A > >A A then something is amiss.
A A A > >A A A A However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
A A A > >A A account for all costs
A A A > >A A A A properly. I have more faith that the
A A A > >A A present board members will
A A A > >A A A A properly investigate and sort it out for
A A A > >A A everyone.
A A A > >A A A A I am on-board with electronic delivery,
A A A > >A A though I do admit it's nice to
A A A > >A A A A just sit back and read a paper copy too.
A A A > >A A It's also easier to hand-off
A A A > >A A A A to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
A A A > >A A really fix that?
A A A > >A A A A I would think (and I don't know), that the
A A A > >A A ClubExpress membership
A A A > >A A A A database might be able to include a
A A A > >A A "preference" as part of the
A A A > >A A A A member's
A A A > >A A A A profile or details. Just as I can set an
A A A > >A A address and phone number, if
A A A > >A A A A I
A A A > >A A A A could check a box for Electronic delivery
A A A > >A A or paper copies, or both,
A A A > >A A A A and
A A A > >A A A A select whatever I wanted for each item
A A A > >A A (Profiles versus Newsletter),
A A A > >A A A A that might be ideal.
A A A > >A A A A However, I'm also familiar with quantity
A A A > >A A discounting. It very well
A A A > >A A A A could be that it costs the same amount to
A A A > >A A print 500 as it does to
A A A > >A A A A print
A A A > >A A A A 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
A A A > >A A those are considerations the
A A A > >A A A A board will look at as well.
A A A > >A A A A Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
A A A > >A A claimed, I have heard (from
A A A > >A A A A more
A A A > >A A A A than one person), that Jack and Mike did
A A A > >A A not resign "because POCA
A A A > >A A A A changed printers;" it was over "control"
A A A > >A A of newsletter content that in
A A A > >A A A A essence fell outside the bounds of the
A A A > >A A by-laws. For a guy that
A A A > >A A A A appeared
A A A > >A A A A to try very hard to get everyone else to
A A A > >A A follow the by-laws (and it's
A A A > >A A A A unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
A A A > >A A certainly didn't feel they
A A A > >A A A A applied
A A A > >A A A A to him.
A A A > >A A A A For the record, as I understand it, POCA
A A A > >A A has changed printers -twice-
A A A > >A A A A since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
A A A > >A A related to the DeRykes) got out of
A A A > >A A A A the business. So the "family tie-in"
A A A > >A A previously eluded to, was not a
A A A > >A A A A factor in the resignations.
A A A > >A A A A Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
A A A > >A A inflation)
A A A > >A A A A Asa Jay
A A A > >A A A A Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
A A A > >A A Retired
A A A > >A A A A & Shelley Marie
A A A > >A A A A Spokane, WA
A A A > >A A A A ******************************
A A A > >A A A A [30][53][59]http://w7tsc.org
A A A > >A A A A [31][54][60]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
A A A > >A A A A ______________________________
_________________
A A A > >A A A A Detomaso Email List is not managed by
A A A > >A A POCA
A A A > >A A A A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
A A A > >A A Megabytes
A A A > >A A A A DeTomaso mailing list
A A A > >A A A A [32][55][61]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A A > >
A A [33][56][62]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
listinfo/detomaso
A A A > >A A A A To manage your subscription (change email
A A A > >A A address, unsubscribe, etc.)
A A A > >A A A A use
A A A > >A A A A the links above.
A A A > >A A A A Members who post to this list grant
A A A > >A A license to the list to forward any
A A A > >A A A A message posted here to all past, current,
A A A > >A A or future members of the
A A A > >A A A A list. They
A A A > >A A A A also grant the list owner permission to
A A A > >A A maintain an archive or approve
A A A > >A A A A the
A A A > >A A A A archiving of list messages.
A A A > >A A A A To use a cliche, we're working on it.
A A A > >A A A A Most of what has been mentioned is in the
A A A > >A A pipeline. However, there
A A A > >A A A A are
A A A > >A A A A restrictions, particularly with the
A A A > >A A By-Laws as they currently stand.
A A A > >A A A A There are no provisions for multiple dues
A A A > >A A levels,
A A A > >A A A A particularly pertaining to how a member
A A A > >A A elects to have their club
A A A > >A A A A publications delivered, etc. That will
A A A > >A A take time as any changes or
A A A > >A A A A amendments must be approved by the whole
A A A > >A A membership.
A A A > >A A A A The consensus seems to be that the
A A A > >A A Profiles would continue as a
A A A > >A A A A print
A A A > >A A A A publication for all except foreign members
A A A > >A A who elect to receive it
A A A > >A A A A digitally.
A A A > >A A A A As far as printing is concerned, it is
A A A > >A A that first copy that is so
A A A > >A A A A expensive, it is the subsequent copies
A A A > >A A that bring down the per unit
A A A > >A A A A cost. So as fewer units are produced and
A A A > >A A shipped, the cost per unit
A A A > >A A A A increases but not proportionately.
A A A > >A A A A An apples to apples comparison was made
A A A > >A A between an online printer
A A A > >A A A A and
A A A > >A A A A the current printer for both printing and
A A A > >A A mailing and the difference
A A A > >A A A A was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit
A A A > >A A but for the whole run.
A A A > >A A A A As far as I am concerned, it is the
A A A > >A A editors who should have the most
A A A > >A A A A influence as to how and where their
A A A > >A A product is produced. They are
A A A > >A A A A the
A A A > >A A A A ones who must work with the printers and
A A A > >A A mailing houses on a regular
A A A > >A A A A basis.
A A A > >A A A A Bob Reid
A A A > >A A A A In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
A A A > >A A Eastern Daylight Time,
A A A > >A A A A [34][57][63]asajay at asajay.com
A A A > >A A writes:
A A A > >A A A A The last I heard (and I may have heard
A A A > >A A wrong), the board was
A A A > >A A A A interested
A A A > >A A A A in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
A A A > >A A printing costs, so for
A A A > >A A A A me,
A A A > >A A A A it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
A A A > >A A agree, if POCA was missing
A A A > >A A A A out
A A A > >A A A A on
A A A > >A A A A full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
A A A > >A A then something is amiss.
A A A > >A A A A However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
A A A > >A A account for all costs
A A A > >A A A A properly. I have more faith that the
A A A > >A A present board members will
A A A > >A A A A properly investigate and sort it out for
A A A > >A A everyone.
A A A > >A A A A I am on-board with electronic delivery,
A A A > >A A though I do admit it's
A A A > >A A A A nice
A A A > >A A A A to
A A A > >A A A A just sit back and read a paper copy too.
A A A > >A A It's also easier to
A A A > >A A A A hand-off
A A A > >A A A A to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
A A A > >A A really fix that?
A A A > >A A A A I would think (and I don't know), that the
A A A > >A A ClubExpress membership
A A A > >A A A A database might be able to include a
A A A > >A A "preference" as part of the
A A A > >A A A A member's
A A A > >A A A A profile or details. Just as I can set an
A A A > >A A address and phone
A A A > >A A A A number,
A A A > >A A A A if I
A A A > >A A A A could check a box for Electronic delivery
A A A > >A A or paper copies, or
A A A > >A A A A both,
A A A > >A A A A and
A A A > >A A A A select whatever I wanted for each item
A A A > >A A (Profiles versus
A A A > >A A A A Newsletter),
A A A > >A A A A that might be ideal.
A A A > >A A A A However, I'm also familiar with quantity
A A A > >A A discounting. It very
A A A > >A A A A well
A A A > >A A A A could be that it costs the same amount to
A A A > >A A print 500 as it does to
A A A > >A A A A print
A A A > >A A A A 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
A A A > >A A those are considerations
A A A > >A A A A the
A A A > >A A A A board will look at as well.
A A A > >A A A A Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
A A A > >A A claimed, I have heard (from
A A A > >A A A A more
A A A > >A A A A than one person), that Jack and Mike did
A A A > >A A not resign "because POCA
A A A > >A A A A changed printers;" it was over "control"
A A A > >A A of newsletter content
A A A > >A A A A that
A A A > >A A A A in
A A A > >A A A A essence fell outside the bounds of the
A A A > >A A by-laws. For a guy that
A A A > >A A A A appeared
A A A > >A A A A to try very hard to get everyone else to
A A A > >A A follow the by-laws (and
A A A > >A A A A it's
A A A > >A A A A unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
A A A > >A A certainly didn't feel they
A A A > >A A A A applied
A A A > >A A A A to him.
A A A > >A A A A For the record, as I understand it, POCA
A A A > >A A has changed printers
A A A > >A A A A -twice-
A A A > >A A A A since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
A A A > >A A related to the DeRykes) got
A A A > >A A A A out
A A A > >A A A A of
A A A > >A A A A the business. So the "family tie-in"
A A A > >A A previously eluded to, was
A A A > >A A A A not
A A A > >A A A A a
A A A > >A A A A factor in the resignations.
A A A > >A A A A Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
A A A > >A A inflation)
A A A > >A A A A Asa Jay
A A A > >A A A A Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
A A A > >A A Retired
A A A > >A A A A & Shelley Marie
A A A > >A A A A Spokane, WA
A A A > >A A A A ******************************
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A A A > >A A A A ------------------------------
A A A > >A A A A Message: 2
A A A > >A A A A Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:56:45 -0700
A A A > >A A A A From: Michael Cox
<[41][64][70]coxmichaelt at gmail.com>
A A A > >A A A A To: [42][65][71]detomaso at server.
detomasolist.com
A A A > >A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera
A A A > >A A GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
A A A > >A A A A Message-ID:
A A A > >
A A <CAMPkPf3HQcqg5vLxgjpJP=7z=UBbrVs=[43][66]ynAnbzepC1U9QH+
A_Q at mail.gmail
A A A > >A A .com
A A A > >>
A A A > >A A A A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
A A A > >> From: Ed Mendez <[44][67][72]edducati at mac.com>
A A A > >> Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera
A A A > >A A GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
A A A > >>
A A A > >> Hi! I found this on eBay and thought
A A A > >A A you might like it! Check it out
A A A > >A A A A now! De Tomaso:
A A A > >> Other Pantera GTS [45][68][73]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
A A A > >A A A A These guys found that ad too. :^)
A A A > >
A A [46][69][74]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-
tomaso-panter
A A A > >A A a-ha
A A A > >A A A A s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
A A A > >A A A A --michael cox
A A A > >A A A A -------------- next part --------------
A A A > >> From: Ed Mendez <[1][47][70][75]edducati at mac.com>
A A A > >> Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera
A A A > >A A GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
A A A > >> A
A A A > >> Hi! I found this on eBay and thought
A A A > >A A you might like it! Check it out
A A A > >A A A A now!A De Tomaso:
A A A > >> Other Pantera GTSA [2][48][71][76]http://r.ebay.com/
qvHdvC
A A A > >A A A A These guys found that ad too. A :^)
A A A > >
A A [3][49][72][77]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-
stunning-de-tomaso-pan
A A A > >A A tera
A A A > >A A A A -has
A A A > >A A A A -only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
A A A > >A A A A A A --michael cox
A A A > >A A A A References
A A A > >A A A A 1. [50][73]mailto:[78]edducati at mac.com
A A A > >A A A A 2. [51][74][79]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
A A A > >A A A A 3.
A A A > >
A A [52][75][80]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-
tomaso-panter
A A A > >A A a-ha
A A A > >A A A A s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
A A A > >A A A A ------------------------------
A A A > >A A A A Message: 3
A A A > >A A A A Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 08:05:15 -0700
A A A > >A A A A From: "Stephen"
<[53][76][81]steve at snclocks.com>
A A A > >A A A A To: "'marshallgsmith'"
A A <[54][77][82]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
A A A > >A A A A <[55][78][83]P6746 at aol.com>,
A A A > >A A <[56][79][84]asajay at asajay.com>,
A A A > >A A A A <[57][80][85]detomaso at server.
detomasolist.com>
A A A > >A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
A A A > >A A paper vs. electronic
A A A > >A A A A Message-ID:
A A A > >A A <[81]004701d1f706$6ead4a50$
4c07def0$@[86]snclocks.com>
A A A > >A A A A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
A A A > >A A A A Having been on Boards before - I'd suggest
A A A > >A A the current Board deserves
A A A > >A A A A some time to catch their breath and
A A A > >A A recover from the situation they
A A A > >A A A A have recently been through. It is amazing
A A A > >A A how much time something like
A A A > >A A A A this takes - and I suspect everyone on the
A A A > >A A Board would like to catch up
A A A > >A A A A on all the things they have let slide
A A A > >A A while coping with the removal of
A A A > >A A A A a president and all the animosity and
A A A > >A A e-mails the whole mess generated.
A A A > >A A A A It's so easy to ask questions - but takes
A A A > >A A a lot more time to figure out
A A A > >A A A A how to do everything asked below. For now,
A A A > >A A let's just let the Board
A A A > >A A A A recover and slowly get some of the loose
A A A > >A A ends taken care of.
A A A > >A A A A Stephen Nelson
A A A > >A A A A -----Original Message-----
A A A > >A A A A From: DeTomaso
A A A > >A A [[58][82]mailto:[87]detomaso-
bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
A A A > >A A On
A A A > >A A A A Behalf Of marshallgsmith
A A A > >A A A A Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 8:28 PM
A A A > >A A A A To: [59][83][88]P6746 at aol.com;
[60][84][89]asajay at asajay.com;
A A A > >A A A A [61][85][90]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A A > >A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
A A A > >A A paper vs. electronic
A A A > >A A A A I have a couple questions Bob:
A A A > >> Calling this situation "multiple dues
A A A > >A A levels" seems to be making the
A A A > >A A A A issue too complex. There are some members
A A A > >A A that are opting to not have
A A A > >A A A A printed magazines mailed which should make
A A A > >A A those members eligible for a
A A A > >A A A A discount because of the savings.
A A A > >> What is your estimate of the length
A A A > >A A of time that it would take the
A A A > >A A A A board to arrange for a vote of the
A A A > >A A membership to change the bylaws to
A A A > >A A A A allow for this discount?
A A A > >> Who specifically made that
A A A > >A A apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
A A A > >> I agree that the editors should have
A A A > >A A the most influence on the
A A A > >A A A A process. However, our editors of both
A A A > >A A publications seem to have a hard
A A A > >A A A A time reporting to the members about ANY
A A A > >A A issues pertaining to the
A A A > >A A A A publication's themselves. Might that
A A A > >A A change in the near future or will
A A A > >A A A A radio silence be the norm here?
A A A > >A A A A Marshall Smith
A A A > >A A A A Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
A A A > >A A A A -------- Original message --------
A A A > >A A A A From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
A A A <[62][86][91]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A > >A A A A Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
A A A > >A A A A To: [63][87][92]asajay at asajay.com,
A A A > >A A [64][88][93]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A A > >A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
A A A > >A A paper vs. electronic
A A A > >A A A A To use a cliche, we're working on it.
A A A > >A A A A Most of what has been mentioned is in the
A A A > >A A pipeline. However, there are
A A A > >A A A A restrictions, particularly with the
A A A > >A A By-Laws as they currently stand.
A A A > >A A A A There are no provisions for multiple dues
A A A > >A A levels, particularly
A A A > >A A A A pertaining to how a member elects to have
A A A > >A A their club publications
A A A > >A A A A delivered, etc. That will take time as any
A A A > >A A changes or amendments must
A A A > >A A A A be approved by the whole membership.
A A A > >A A A A The consensus seems to be that the
A A A > >A A Profiles would continue as a print
A A A > >A A A A publication for all except foreign members
A A A > >A A who elect to receive it
A A A > >A A A A digitally.
A A A > >A A A A As far as printing is concerned, it is
A A A > >A A that first copy that is so
A A A > >A A A A expensive, it is the subsequent copies
A A A > >A A that bring down the per unit
A A A > >A A A A cost. So as fewer units are produced and
A A A > >A A shipped, the cost per unit
A A A > >A A A A increases but not proportionately.
A A A > >A A A A An apples to apples comparison was made
A A A > >A A between an online printer and
A A A > >A A A A the current printer for both printing and
A A A > >A A mailing and the difference
A A A > >A A A A was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit
A A A > >A A but for the whole run.
A A A > >A A A A As far as I am concerned, it is the
A A A > >A A editors who should have the most
A A A > >A A A A influence as to how and where their
A A A > >A A product is produced. They are the
A A A > >A A A A ones who must work with the printers and
A A A > >A A mailing houses on a regular
A A A > >A A A A basis.
A A A > >A A A A Bob Reid
A A A > >A A A A In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
A A A > >A A Eastern Daylight Time,
A A A > >A A A A [65][89][94]asajay at asajay.com
A A A > >A A writes:
A A A > >A A A A The last I heard (and I may have heard
A A A > >A A wrong), the board was interested
A A A > >A A A A in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
A A A > >A A printing costs, so for me,
A A A > >A A A A it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
A A A > >A A agree, if POCA was missing out on
A A A > >A A A A full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
A A A > >A A then something is amiss.
A A A > >A A A A However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
A A A > >A A account for all costs
A A A > >A A A A properly. I have more faith that the
A A A > >A A present board members will
A A A > >A A A A properly investigate and sort it out for
A A A > >A A everyone.
A A A > >A A A A I am on-board with electronic delivery,
A A A > >A A though I do admit it's nice to
A A A > >A A A A just sit back and read a paper copy too.
A A A > >A A It's also easier to hand-off
A A A > >A A A A to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
A A A > >A A really fix that?
A A A > >A A A A I would think (and I don't know), that the
A A A > >A A ClubExpress membership
A A A > >A A A A database might be able to include a
A A A > >A A "preference" as part of the
A A A > >A A A A member's profile or details. Just as I can
A A A > >A A set an address and phone
A A A > >A A A A number, if I could check a box for
A A A > >A A Electronic delivery or paper copies,
A A A > >A A A A or both, and select whatever I wanted for
A A A > >A A each item (Profiles versus
A A A > >A A A A Newsletter), that might be ideal.
A A A > >A A A A However, I'm also familiar with quantity
A A A > >A A discounting. It very well
A A A > >A A A A could be that it costs the same amount to
A A A > >A A print 500 as it does to print
A A A > >A A A A 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
A A A > >A A those are considerations the
A A A > >A A A A board will look at as well.
A A A > >A A A A Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
A A A > >A A claimed, I have heard (from more
A A A > >A A A A than one person), that Jack and Mike did
A A A > >A A not resign "because POCA
A A A > >A A A A changed printers;" it was over "control"
A A A > >A A of newsletter content that in
A A A > >A A A A essence fell outside the bounds of the
A A A > >A A by-laws. For a guy that appeared
A A A > >A A A A to try very hard to get everyone else to
A A A > >A A follow the by-laws (and it's
A A A > >A A A A unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
A A A > >A A certainly didn't feel they
A A A > >A A A A applied to him.
A A A > >A A A A For the record, as I understand it, POCA
A A A > >A A has changed printers -twice-
A A A > >A A A A since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
A A A > >A A related to the DeRykes) got out of
A A A > >A A A A the business. So the "family tie-in"
A A A > >A A previously eluded to, was not a
A A A > >A A A A factor in the resignations.
A A A > >A A A A Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
A A A > >A A inflation) Asa Jay
A A A > >A A A A Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
A A A > >A A Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane,
A A A > >A A A A WA
A A A > >A A A A ******************************
A A A > >A A A A [66][95]http://w7tsc.org
A A A > >A A A A [67][96]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
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A A A > >A A A A message posted here to all past, current,
A A A > >A A or future members of the
A A A > >A A A A list. They also grant the list owner
A A A > >A A permission to maintain an archive
A A A > >A A A A or approve the archiving of list
A A A > >A A messages.
A A A > >A A A A To use a cliche, we're working on it.
A A A > >A A A A Most of what has been mentioned is in the
A A A > >A A pipeline. However, there are
A A A > >A A A A restrictions, particularly with the
A A A > >A A By-Laws as they currently stand.
A A A > >A A A A There are no provisions for multiple dues
A A A > >A A levels,
A A A > >A A A A particularly pertaining to how a member
A A A > >A A elects to have their club
A A A > >A A A A publications delivered, etc. That will
A A A > >A A take time as any changes or
A A A > >A A A A amendments must be approved by the whole
A A A > >A A membership.
A A A > >A A A A The consensus seems to be that the
A A A > >A A Profiles would continue as a print
A A A > >A A A A publication for all except foreign members
A A A > >A A who elect to receive it
A A A > >A A A A digitally.
A A A > >A A A A As far as printing is concerned, it is
A A A > >A A that first copy that is so
A A A > >A A A A expensive, it is the subsequent copies
A A A > >A A that bring down the per unit
A A A > >A A A A cost. So as fewer units are produced and
A A A > >A A shipped, the cost per unit
A A A > >A A A A increases but not proportionately.
A A A > >A A A A An apples to apples comparison was made
A A A > >A A between an online printer and
A A A > >A A A A the current printer for both printing and
A A A > >A A mailing and the difference
A A A > >A A A A was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit
A A A > >A A but for the whole run.
A A A > >A A A A As far as I am concerned, it is the
A A A > >A A editors who should have the most
A A A > >A A A A influence as to how and where their
A A A > >A A product is produced. They are the
A A A > >A A A A ones who must work with the printers and
A A A > >A A mailing houses on a regular
A A A > >A A A A basis.
A A A > >A A A A Bob Reid
A A A > >A A A A In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
A A A > >A A Eastern Daylight Time,
A A A > >A A A A [70][99]asajay at asajay.com
A A A > >A A writes:
A A A > >A A A A The last I heard (and I may have heard
A A A > >A A wrong), the board was
A A A > >A A A A interested
A A A > >A A A A in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
A A A > >A A printing costs, so for
A A A > >A A A A me,
A A A > >A A A A it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
A A A > >A A agree, if POCA was missing out
A A A > >A A A A on
A A A > >A A A A full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
A A A > >A A then something is amiss.
A A A > >A A A A However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
A A A > >A A account for all costs
A A A > >A A A A properly. I have more faith that the
A A A > >A A present board members will
A A A > >A A A A properly investigate and sort it out for
A A A > >A A everyone.
A A A > >A A A A I am on-board with electronic delivery,
A A A > >A A though I do admit it's nice
A A A > >A A A A to
A A A > >A A A A just sit back and read a paper copy too.
A A A > >A A It's also easier to
A A A > >A A A A hand-off
A A A > >A A A A to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
A A A > >A A really fix that?
A A A > >A A A A I would think (and I don't know), that the
A A A > >A A ClubExpress membership
A A A > >A A A A database might be able to include a
A A A > >A A "preference" as part of the
A A A > >A A A A member's
A A A > >A A A A profile or details. Just as I can set an
A A A > >A A address and phone number,
A A A > >A A A A if I
A A A > >A A A A could check a box for Electronic delivery
A A A > >A A or paper copies, or both,
A A A > >A A A A and
A A A > >A A A A select whatever I wanted for each item
A A A > >A A (Profiles versus Newsletter),
A A A > >A A A A that might be ideal.
A A A > >A A A A However, I'm also familiar with quantity
A A A > >A A discounting. It very well
A A A > >A A A A could be that it costs the same amount to
A A A > >A A print 500 as it does to
A A A > >A A A A print
A A A > >A A A A 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
A A A > >A A those are considerations the
A A A > >A A A A board will look at as well.
A A A > >A A A A Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
A A A > >A A claimed, I have heard (from
A A A > >A A A A more
A A A > >A A A A than one person), that Jack and Mike did
A A A > >A A not resign "because POCA
A A A > >A A A A changed printers;" it was over "control"
A A A > >A A of newsletter content that
A A A > >A A A A in
A A A > >A A A A essence fell outside the bounds of the
A A A > >A A by-laws. For a guy that
A A A > >A A A A appeared
A A A > >A A A A to try very hard to get everyone else to
A A A > >A A follow the by-laws (and
A A A > >A A A A it's
A A A > >A A A A unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
A A A > >A A certainly didn't feel they
A A A > >A A A A applied
A A A > >A A A A to him.
A A A > >A A A A For the record, as I understand it, POCA
A A A > >A A has changed printers
A A A > >A A A A -twice-
A A A > >A A A A since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
A A A > >A A related to the DeRykes) got out
A A A > >A A A A of
A A A > >A A A A the business. So the "family tie-in"
A A A > >A A previously eluded to, was not
A A A > >A A A A a
A A A > >A A A A factor in the resignations.
A A A > >A A A A Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
A A A > >A A inflation)
A A A > >A A A A Asa Jay
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A A A > >A A A 45. [45][153]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
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A A A > >A A A 47. [47]mailto:[155]edducati at mac.com
A A A > >A A A 48. [48][156]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
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68. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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84. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
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88. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
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95. http://w7tsc.org/
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98. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
99. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
100. http://w7tsc.org/
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102. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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104. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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106. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
107. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
108. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
109. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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113. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
114. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
115. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
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118. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
119. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
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126. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
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129. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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131. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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133. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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139. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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141. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
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143. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
144. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
145. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
146. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
147. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
148. mailto:coxmichaelt at gmail.com
149. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
150. mailto:ynAnbzepC1U9QH%2BA_Q at mail.gmail.com
151. mailto:ynAnbzepC1U9QH%252BA_Q at mail.gmail.com
152. mailto:edducati at mac.com
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155. mailto:edducati at mac.com
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162. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
163. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
164. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
165. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
166. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
167. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
168. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
169. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
170. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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189. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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196. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
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207. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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227. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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229. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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245. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
246. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
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248. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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250. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
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264. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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280. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
281. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
282. mailto:paso750 at gmail.com
283. mailto:jpoca2 at hotmail.com
284. mailto:erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
285. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
286. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
287. mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com
288. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
289. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
290. mailto:erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
291. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
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298. mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com
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306. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
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308. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
309. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
310. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
311. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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313. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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