[DeTomaso] resignations

Dick Koch redcatman74 at gmail.com
Tue Aug 16 18:45:47 EDT 2016


Stephen, thank you for saying what I was about to say.

If folks want to continue to rant about this, do the courteous thing, do it
offline and don't burden the rest of the world with a subject that the BOD
will hopefully sort out and do the right thing, putting personality
conflicts aside and implementing the needed changes to improve the club.

Dick Koch - Atlanta

On Aug 16, 2016 2:28 PM, "Stephen" <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:

>    So, when, exactly, did we stop beating our spouses???
>
>
>    Effie - gads - you have the names of the printers!  Call them - short
>    of that I can assure you any good photographer can modify a document so
>    you will not be able to know what is real and what is not.
>
>
>    Let's stop the witch hunt - look at the folks who stood up to the
>    shortt.  Think about how long they have been a part of POCA.  Are they
>    out for personal gain in standing up to a person who made way too many
>    folks want to quit?
>
>
>    If you or others wish to continue the witch hunt - please start a new
>    thread, with the initials MS in front of the subject.  That way I can
>    route all e-mails associated with the thread to my trash bin.
>
>
>    I'm going to go back to working on 5332 and hope this whole nightmare
>    will just go away.
>
>
>    Stephen Nelson
>
>
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>    Behalf Of Effie Richards
>    Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 10:30 AM
>    To: 'Charles McCall' <charlesmccall at gmail.com>; 'marshallgsmith'
>    <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>    Cc: 'detomaso' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; 'laurie Basile'
>    <laurieferrari at aol.com>
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
>
>    Where are the actual proposals/quotes from the printers, not the ones
>    the editor posted here.  Those as they appear, could have been
>    manipulated - I'm not accusing anyone, I am just saying, as any court
>    would say - an experienced editor like Jack could add or delete to
>    create and post what he did here.  Since there are many still
>    questioning the printer cost, let's see the actual bids.
>
>
>
>    From: Charles McCall [[1]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com]
>
>    Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 12:08 AM
>
>    To: marshallgsmith
>
>    Cc: Michael Haney; Judith McCartney; Effie Richards; Julian Kift;
>    detomaso; laurie Basile
>
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
>
>
>    You did all read the info sent by Judy McCartney last week with Jack's
>    explanation?
>
>
>
>    Re-sent here in case you didn't see it. Please open the attachment - I
>    promise no viruses are included
>
>
>
>    On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 8:20 AM, marshallgsmith
>    <[2]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>       Hey Michael,
>
>
>       I think the best way to put this controversy to bed is if you or
>    your
>
>       dad could speak about not being cooperative in regards to the the
>    use
>
>       of another printer that supposedly afforded the club an $8,000
>    savings.
>
>       That really seems to be the only issue that continues this
>    controversy
>
>       and I still haven't heard either of you discuss the allegation. I'm
>
>       sure your response will cut this thread for good and allow us all to
>
>       move on with the rebuilding of this great club.
>
>
>       Marshall Smith
>
>
>       President, San Diego Panteras
>
>
>       Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>       -------- Original message --------
>
>
>       From: Michael Haney <[3]paso750 at gmail.com>
>
>       Date: 8/15/16 10:36 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
>       To: 'Judith McCartney' <[4]jpoca2 at hotmail.com>, 'Effie Richards'
>
>       <[5]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>, 'Julian Kift'
>
>       <[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>
>       Cc: [7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com, 'laurie Basile'
>
>       <[8]laurieferrari at aol.com>
>
>       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
>       Thank you very much, Judy.
>
>       I really wish this thread would just die.
>
>       I know that this isn't the answer you're fishing for, but it'll have
>    to
>
>       do
>
>       since it's the truth.
>
>       Nancy quit and took her associate (me) with her because she was
>    tired
>
>       of
>
>       hearing from me all about Shortt's efforts to take over every aspect
>    of
>
>       POCA.
>
>       I didn't fight her decision because I was in turn tired of Shortt's
>
>       intimidation and bullying tactics. Frankly, being on the Board
>    wasn't
>
>       fun
>
>       anymore and I was also very tired of Shortt's constant preening.
>
>       As a matter of record, I resigned from the Board BEFORE Profiles #3
>
>       even
>
>       went to the printer. I had nearly finished it and decided that I
>    didn't
>
>       want
>
>       to let the POCA members down. I really didn't want to contribute any
>
>       more to
>
>       Shortt's regime, but my conscience won.
>
>       Even after I sent the magazine in, I still had to deal with Shortt.
>    He
>
>       decided to interfere with the printer, sent them a database with a
>
>       whole
>
>       bunch of problematic info and threaten nonpayment if he didn't get
>
>       preliminary proofs. How do I know this? I received a call while I
>    was
>
>       at
>
>       work from the woman working in Allegra Printing's mail room. She
>    called
>
>       Shortt and he wouldn't help her with the database and ignored her
>
>       questions.
>
>       Having no one else to call, she called me. I in turn contacted Judy,
>
>       our
>
>       Membership Director, who fixed the problems that Shortt created.
>
>       Regarding Shortt's allegations of graft, if anyone can find a
>
>       connection
>
>       between my family and anyone who EVER worked at Allegra Printing in
>
>       Reno,
>
>       Nevada, (or indeed any of Allegra's branches) please let me know.
>
>       My Dad might respond as well, but he's been pretty busy caring for
>    my
>
>       SERIOUSLY ill Mom who was in the hospital for the last two weeks and
>
>       who
>
>       might finally be able to come back home in a couple more.
>
>       Now, can we finally put this "controversy" to rest?
>
>       Mike Haney
>
>       -----Original Message-----
>
>       From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>    On
>
>       Behalf
>
>       Of Judith McCartney
>
>       Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 8:44 PM
>
>       To: Effie Richards; Julian Kift
>
>       Cc: [10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; laurie Basile
>
>       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
>       Mike Haney gave his resignation months way head of Jacks, two diff
>
>       reasons.
>
>       Judith McCartney, Membership Director & Fun Rally coordinator.
>
>       > From: [11]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
>
>       > Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 18:43:43 -0700
>
>       > To: [12]julian_kift at hotmail.com
>
>       > CC: [13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
>    [14]laurieferrari at aol.com
>
>       > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
>       >
>
>       > Julian these are the same questions some of us have had and have
>    been
>
>       waiting for a reply or statement. I'm willing to give the board some
>
>       time to
>
>       come up with one.
>
>       >
>
>       > Sent from Effie's iPad
>
>       >
>
>       > > On Aug 15, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Julian Kift
>    <[15]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>
>       wrote:
>
>       > >
>
>       > >   I have digested all the emails on this topic and to be honest
>    it
>
>       still
>
>       > >   doesn't sit well in my gut.
>
>       > >
>
>       > >
>
>       > >   Presumably the BOD voted in favor of changing printers based
>    upon
>
>       the
>
>       > >   quotes presented. Did they not have all the facts and
>
>       > >   if not why did they not question further? Did Jack have all
>    the
>
>       facts
>
>       w
>
>       > >   hen he resigned or were his and Mike Haney's resignations
>    simply
>
>       an
>
>       > >   outright stand against changing printer?
>
>       > >
>
>       > >
>
>       > >   Why did Michael push to change printer if he knew there was
>    only
>
>       > >   pennies between it?
>
>       > >
>
>       > >
>
>       > >   Julian
>
>       > >
>
>       __________________________________________________________________
>
>       > >
>
>       > >   From: DeTomaso <[16]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
>    on
>
>       behalf of
>
>       > >   marshall smith <[17]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>
>       > >   Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:11 AM
>
>       > >   To: [18]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
>    [19]laurieferrari at aol.com
>
>       > >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
>       > >
>
>       > >   I find it funny that three months after the Fun Rally we are
>    now
>
>       > >   hearing that Shortt's bid for printing did not include
>    shipping.
>
>       Shortt
>
>       > >   is a lot of things but a mistake like this...?
>
>       > >   I was listening in on this meeting also and I know what I
>    heard.
>
>       > >   Apparently, the board convinced 'some' members of this
>    so-called
>
>       > >   discrepancy month's ago. Why wasn't this information, if it
>
>       exists,
>
>       > >   relayed to ALL of us in a timely manner?
>
>       > >   Marshall
>
>       > >
>
>       > >   --------------------------------------------
>
>       > >   On Mon, 8/15/16, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
>
>       > >   <[20]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>       > >    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
>       > >    To: [21]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >    Date: Monday, August 15, 2016, 9:57 AM
>
>       > >
>
>      > >       Dear AJ,
>
>       > >
>
>       > >       I have always respected you and your
>
>       > >    opinions but in this case you are
>
>       > >       incorrect as far as the resignation of
>
>       > >    Jack DeRyke.  I was on the Board
>
>       > >       of Directors' conference call where he was
>
>       > >    asked to stay and he
>
>       > >       adamantly refused to if the printer
>
>       > >    changed.  Jack's resignation was
>
>       > >       specifically because of the change in
>
>       > >    printer!  You can go research
>
>       > >       that phone conference call, or the minutes
>
>       > >    of the meeting, as the facts
>
>       > >       are saved.  As far as Mike Haney's
>
>       > >    resignation, that was done by his
>
>       > >       Mrs. for their reasons which most likely
>
>       > >    were aligned with their
>
>       > >       parents.
>
>       > >
>
>       > >       Laurie
>
>       > >
>
>       > >         In a message dated 8/13/2016
>
>       > >    9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,?
>
>       > >         [1][22]asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >    writes:
>
>       > >         The last? I heard (and I may have
>
>       > >    heard wrong), the board was
>
>       > >         interested
>
>       > >         in doing a? -real- accounting
>
>       > >    comparison of printing costs, so for
>
>       > >         me,
>
>       > >         it's a wait and? see kind of
>
>       > >    thing.? I agree, if POCA was missing
>
>       > >         out on
>
>       > >         full-color? and paying $8,000 more
>
>       > >    for B/W then something is amiss.?
>
>       > >         However, I? also believe Mr. Shortt
>
>       > >    didn't account for all costs
>
>       > >         properly.? I? have more faith that
>
>       > >    the present board members will
>
>       > >         properly investigate? and sort it
>
>       > >    out for everyone.
>
>       > >         I am on-board with electronic
>
>       > >    delivery,? though I do admit it's nice
>
>       > >         to
>
>       > >         just sit back and read a paper
>
>       > >    copy? too.? It's also easier to
>
>       > >         hand-off
>
>       > >         to Sam so he can read it? later.?
>
>       > >    How do you really fix that?
>
>       > >         I would think (and I don't? know),
>
>       > >    that the ClubExpress membership
>
>       > >         database might be able to include
>
>       > >    a? "preference" as part of the
>
>       > >         member's
>
>       > >         profile or details.? Just as I? can
>
>       > >    set an address and phone number,
>
>       > >         if I
>
>       > >         could check a box for Electronic?
>
>       > >    delivery or paper copies, or both,
>
>       > >         and
>
>       > >         select whatever I wanted for each?
>
>       > >    item (Profiles versus
>
>       > >         Newsletter),
>
>       > >         that might be ideal.
>
>       > >         However,? I'm also familiar with
>
>       > >    quantity discounting.? It very well
>
>       > >         could be? that it costs the same
>
>       > >    amount to print 500 as it does to
>
>       > >         print
>
>       > >         50, or 10? (but I doubt it).? I
>
>       > >    imagine those are considerations the
>
>       > >         board will? look at as well.
>
>       > >         Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie
>
>       > >    has claimed, I have? heard (from
>
>       > >         more
>
>       > >         than one person), that Jack and
>
>       > >    Mike did not resign? "because POCA
>
>       > >         changed printers;" it was over
>
>       > >    "control" of newsletter? content that
>
>       > >         in
>
>       > >         essence fell outside the bounds of
>
>       > >    the by-laws.? For? a guy that
>
>       > >         appeared
>
>       > >         to try very hard to get everyone
>
>       > >    else to follow the? by-laws (and
>
>       > >         it's
>
>       > >         unwritten code of ethics), Mr.
>
>       > >    Shortt certainly didn't? feel they
>
>       > >         applied
>
>       > >         to him.
>
>       > >         For the record, as I understand it,
>
>       > >    POCA? has changed printers
>
>       > >         -twice-
>
>       > >         since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
>       > >    related? to the DeRykes) got out
>
>       > >         of
>
>       > >         the business.? So the "family
>
>       > >    tie-in"? previously eluded to, was not
>
>       > >         a
>
>       > >         factor in the resignations.
>
>       > >         Just my? $1.50? (two cents adjusted
>
>       > >    for inflation)
>
>       > >         Asa? Jay
>
>       > >         Asa Jay? Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt,
>
>       > >    USAFR, Retired
>
>       > >         &? Shelley? Mar
>
>       > >
>
>       > >       -----Original Message-----
>
>       > >       From: detomaso-request
>
>       <[23]detomaso-request at server.detomasolist.com>
>
>       > >       To: detomaso <[24]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
>       > >       Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2016 9:00 am
>
>       > >       Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue
>
>       > >    20
>
>       > >       Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to
>
>       > >       [2][25]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >       To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World
>
>       > >    Wide Web, visit
>
>       > >
>    [3][26]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >       or, via email, send a message with subject
>
>       > >    or body 'help' to
>
>       > >       detomaso-[4][27]request at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >       You can reach the person managing the list
>
>       > >    at
>
>       > >       detomaso-[5][28]owner at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >       When replying, please edit your Subject
>
>       > >    line so it is more specific
>
>       > >       than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..."
>
>       > >       Daily Detomaso List Digest
>
>       > >       Today's Topics:
>
>       > >       1. Re: Newsletters, cost, paper vs.
>
>       > >    electronic (marshallgsmith)
>
>       > >       2. Re: De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay!
>
>       > >    again $250K!! (Michael Cox)
>
>       > >       3. Re: Newsletters, cost, paper vs.
>
>       > >    electronic (Stephen)
>
>       > >
>
>       -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>       > >   ---
>
>       > >       Message: 1
>
>       > >       Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:27:43 -0700
>
>       > >       From: marshallgsmith <[6][29]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>
>       > >       To: [7][30]P6746 at aol.com, [8][31]asajay at asajay.com,
>
>       > >       [9][32]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
>
>       > >    paper vs. electronic
>
>       > >       Message-ID:
>
>       > >
>
>       <[10][33]sdxpj9k7caacwyvlamgw7uly.1471231663405 at email.android.com>
>
>       > >       Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>       > >       I have a couple questions Bob:
>
>       > >> Calling this situation "multiple dues
>
>       > >    levels" seems to be making the
>
>       > >       issue too complex. There are some members
>
>       > >    that are opting to not have
>
>       > >       printed magazines mailed which should make
>
>       > >    those members eligible for a
>
>       > >       discount because of the savings.
>
>       > >> What is your estimate of the length
>
>       > >    of time that it would take the
>
>       > >       board to arrange for a vote of the
>
>       > >    membership to change the bylaws to
>
>       > >       allow for this discount?
>
>       > >> Who specifically made that
>
>       > >    apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
>
>       > >> I agree that the editors should have
>
>       > >    the most influence ?on the
>
>       > >       process. ?However, our editors of both
>
>       > >    publications seem to have a hard
>
>       > >       time reporting to the members about ANY
>
>       > >    issues pertaining to the
>
>       > >       publication's themselves. Might that
>
>       > >    change in the near future or will
>
>       > >       radio silence be the norm here?
>
>       > >       Marshall Smith
>
>       > >       Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
>       > >       -------- Original message --------
>
>       > >       From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
>
>       <[11][34]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
>       > >       Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
>       > >       To: [12][35]asajay at asajay.com,
>
>       > >    [13][36]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
>
>       > >    paper vs. electronic
>
>       > >       To use a cliche, we're working on it.?
>
>       > >       Most of what has been mentioned is in the
>
>       > >    pipeline.?? However, there
>
>       > >       are
>
>       > >       restrictions, particularly with the
>
>       > >    By-Laws as they currently? stand.?
>
>       > >       There
>
>       > >       are no provisions for multiple dues
>
>       > >    levels,? particularly pertaining to
>
>       > >       how a
>
>       > >       member elects to have their club?
>
>       > >    publications delivered, etc.? That
>
>       > >       will
>
>       > >       take time as any changes or? amendments
>
>       > >    must be approved by the whole
>
>       > >       membership.
>
>       > >       The consensus seems to be that the
>
>       > >    Profiles would? continue as a print
>
>       > >       publication for all except foreign members
>
>       > >    who elect to? receive it
>
>       > >       digitally.?
>
>       > >       As far as printing is concerned, it is
>
>       > >    that first copy that is? so
>
>       > >       expensive, it is the subsequent copies
>
>       > >    that bring down the per unit?
>
>       > >       cost.? So as
>
>       > >       fewer units are produced and shipped, the
>
>       > >    cost per unit? increases but
>
>       > >       not
>
>       > >       proportionately.??
>
>       > >       An apples to apples comparison was made
>
>       > >    between an online? printer and
>
>       > >       the
>
>       > >       current printer for both printing and
>
>       > >    mailing and the difference? was
>
>       > >       pennies.? That wasn't pennies per unit but
>
>       > >    for the whole run.?
>
>       > >       As far as I am concerned, it is the
>
>       > >    editors who should have? the most
>
>       > >       influence as to how and where their
>
>       > >    product is produced.? They are? the
>
>       > >       ones who
>
>       > >       must work with the printers and mailing
>
>       > >    houses on a regular? basis.
>
>       > >       Bob Reid?
>
>       > >       In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
>
>       > >    Eastern Daylight Time,?
>
>       > >       [14][37]asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >    writes:
>
>       > >       The last? I heard (and I may have heard
>
>       > >    wrong), the board was
>
>       > >       interested
>
>       > >       in doing a? -real- accounting comparison
>
>       > >    of printing costs, so for me,
>
>       > >       it's a wait and? see kind of thing.? I
>
>       > >    agree, if POCA was missing out
>
>       > >       on
>
>       > >       full-color? and paying $8,000 more for B/W
>
>       > >    then something is amiss.?
>
>       > >       However, I? also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
>
>       > >    account for all costs
>
>       > >       properly.? I? have more faith that the
>
>       > >    present board members will
>
>       > >       properly investigate? and sort it out for
>
>       > >    everyone.
>
>       > >       I am on-board with electronic delivery,?
>
>       > >    though I do admit it's nice to
>
>       > >       just sit back and read a paper copy? too.?
>
>       > >    It's also easier to hand-off
>
>       > >       to Sam so he can read it? later.? How do
>
>       > >    you really fix that?
>
>       > >       I would think (and I don't? know), that
>
>       > >    the ClubExpress membership
>
>       > >       database might be able to include a?
>
>       > >    "preference" as part of the
>
>       > >       member's
>
>       > >       profile or details.? Just as I? can set an
>
>       > >    address and phone number, if
>
>       > >       I
>
>       > >       could check a box for Electronic? delivery
>
>       > >    or paper copies, or both,
>
>       > >       and
>
>       > >       select whatever I wanted for each? item
>
>       > >    (Profiles versus Newsletter),
>
>       > >       that might be ideal.
>
>       > >       However,? I'm also familiar with quantity
>
>       > >    discounting.? It very well
>
>       > >       could be? that it costs the same amount to
>
>       > >    print 500 as it does to
>
>       > >       print
>
>       > >       50, or 10? (but I doubt it).? I imagine
>
>       > >    those are considerations the
>
>       > >       board will? look at as well.
>
>       > >       Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
>
>       > >    claimed, I have? heard (from
>
>       > >       more
>
>       > >       than one person), that Jack and Mike did
>
>       > >    not resign? "because POCA
>
>       > >       changed printers;" it was over "control"
>
>       > >    of newsletter? content that in
>
>       > >       essence fell outside the bounds of the
>
>       > >    by-laws.? For? a guy that
>
>       > >       appeared
>
>       > >       to try very hard to get everyone else to
>
>       > >    follow the? by-laws (and it's
>
>       > >       unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
>
>       > >    certainly didn't? feel they
>
>       > >       applied
>
>       > >       to him.
>
>       > >       For the record, as I understand it, POCA?
>
>       > >    has changed printers -twice-
>
>       > >       since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
>       > >    related? to the DeRykes) got out of
>
>       > >       the business.? So the "family tie-in"?
>
>       > >    previously eluded to, was not a
>
>       > >       factor in the resignations.
>
>       > >       Just my? $1.50? (two cents adjusted for
>
>       > >    inflation)
>
>       > >       Asa? Jay
>
>       > >       Asa Jay? Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
>
>       > >    Retired
>
>       > >       &? Shelley? Marie
>
>       > >       Spokane,? WA
>
>       > >       ******************************
>
>       > >       [15][38]http://w7tsc.org
>
>       > >       [16][39]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>       > >       _______________________________________________
>
>       > >       Detomaso? Email List is not managed by
>
>       > >    POCA
>
>       > >       Posted emails must not exceed 1.5?
>
>       > >    Megabytes
>
>       > >       DeTomaso mailing? list
>
>       > >       [17][40]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >
>    [18][41]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >       To? manage your subscription (change email
>
>       > >    address, unsubscribe, etc.)
>
>       > >       use
>
>       > >       the? links above.
>
>       > >       Members who post to this list grant
>
>       > >    license to the list to? forward any
>
>       > >       message posted here to all past, current,
>
>       > >    or future members of the?
>
>       > >       list. They
>
>       > >       also grant the list owner permission to
>
>       > >    maintain an archive or? approve
>
>       > >       the
>
>       > >       archiving of list? messages.
>
>       > >       ?? To use a cliche, we're working on it.
>
>       > >       ?? Most of what has been mentioned is in
>
>       > >    the pipeline.? However, there
>
>       > >       are
>
>       > >       ?? restrictions, particularly with the
>
>       > >    By-Laws as they currently stand.
>
>       > >       ?? There are no provisions for multiple
>
>       > >    dues levels,
>
>       > >       ?? particularly pertaining to how a member
>
>       > >    elects to have their club
>
>       > >       ?? publications delivered, etc.? That will
>
>       > >    take time as any changes or
>
>       > >       ?? amendments must be approved by the
>
>       > >    whole membership.
>
>       > >       ?? The consensus seems to be that the
>
>       > >    Profiles would continue as a
>
>       > >       print
>
>       > >       ?? publication for all except foreign
>
>       > >    members who elect to receive it
>
>       > >       ?? digitally.
>
>       > >       ?? As far as printing is concerned, it is
>
>       > >    that first copy that is so
>
>       > >       ?? expensive, it is the subsequent copies
>
>       > >    that bring down the per unit
>
>       > >       ?? cost.? So as fewer units are produced
>
>       > >    and shipped, the cost per unit
>
>       > >       ?? increases but not proportionately.
>
>       > >       ?? An apples to apples comparison was made
>
>       > >    between an online printer
>
>       > >       and
>
>       > >       ?? the current printer for both printing
>
>       > >    and mailing and the difference
>
>       > >       ?? was pennies.? That wasn't pennies per
>
>       > >    unit but for the whole run.
>
>       > >       ?? As far as I am concerned, it is the
>
>       > >    editors who should have the most
>
>       > >       ?? influence as to how and where their
>
>       > >    product is produced.? They are
>
>       > >       the
>
>       > >       ?? ones who must work with the printers
>
>       > >    and mailing houses on a regular
>
>       > >       ?? basis.
>
>       > >       ?? Bob Reid
>
>       > >       ?? In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24
>
>       > >    P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>
>       > >       ?? [19][42]asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >    writes:
>
>       > >       ???? The last I heard (and I may have
>
>       > >    heard wrong), the board was
>
>       > >       ???? interested
>
>       > >       ???? in doing a -real- accounting
>
>       > >    comparison of printing costs, so for
>
>       > >       ???? me,
>
>       > >       ???? it's a wait and see kind of thing.? I
>
>       > >    agree, if POCA was missing
>
>       > >       out
>
>       > >       ???? on
>
>       > >       ???? full-color and paying $8,000 more for
>
>       > >    B/W then something is amiss.
>
>       > >       ???? However, I also believe Mr. Shortt
>
>       > >    didn't account for all costs
>
>       > >       ???? properly.? I have more faith that the
>
>       > >    present board members will
>
>       > >       ???? properly investigate and sort it out
>
>       > >    for everyone.
>
>       > >       ???? I am on-board with electronic
>
>       > >    delivery, though I do admit it's
>
>       > >       nice
>
>       > >       ???? to
>
>       > >       ???? just sit back and read a paper copy
>
>       > >    too.? It's also easier to
>
>       > >       ???? hand-off
>
>       > >       ???? to Sam so he can read it later.? How
>
>       > >    do you really fix that?
>
>       > >       ???? I would think (and I don't know),
>
>       > >    that the ClubExpress membership
>
>       > >       ???? database might be able to include a
>
>       > >    "preference" as part of the
>
>       > >       ???? member's
>
>       > >       ???? profile or details.? Just as I can
>
>       > >    set an address and phone
>
>       > >       number,
>
>       > >       ???? if I
>
>       > >       ???? could check a box for Electronic
>
>       > >    delivery or paper copies, or
>
>       > >       both,
>
>       > >       ???? and
>
>       > >       ???? select whatever I wanted for each
>
>       > >    item (Profiles versus
>
>       > >       Newsletter),
>
>       > >       ???? that might be ideal.
>
>       > >       ???? However, I'm also familiar with
>
>       > >    quantity discounting.? It very
>
>       > >       well
>
>       > >       ???? could be that it costs the same
>
>       > >    amount to print 500 as it does to
>
>       > >       ???? print
>
>       > >       ???? 50, or 10 (but I doubt it).? I
>
>       > >    imagine those are considerations
>
>       > >       the
>
>       > >       ???? board will look at as well.
>
>       > >       ???? Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie
>
>       > >    has claimed, I have heard (from
>
>       > >       ???? more
>
>       > >       ???? than one person), that Jack and Mike
>
>       > >    did not resign "because POCA
>
>       > >       ???? changed printers;" it was over
>
>       > >    "control" of newsletter content
>
>       > >       that
>
>       > >       ???? in
>
>       > >       ???? essence fell outside the bounds of
>
>       > >    the by-laws.? For a guy that
>
>       > >       ???? appeared
>
>       > >       ???? to try very hard to get everyone else
>
>       > >    to follow the by-laws (and
>
>       > >       ???? it's
>
>       > >       ???? unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
>
>       > >    certainly didn't feel they
>
>       > >       ???? applied
>
>       > >       ???? to him.
>
>       > >       ???? For the record, as I understand it,
>
>       > >    POCA has changed printers
>
>       > >       ???? -twice-
>
>       > >       ???? since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
>       > >    related to the DeRykes) got
>
>       > >       out
>
>       > >       ???? of
>
>       > >       ???? the business.? So the "family tie-in"
>
>       > >    previously eluded to, was
>
>       > >       not
>
>       > >       ???? a
>
>       > >       ???? factor in the resignations.
>
>       > >       ???? Just my $1.50? (two cents adjusted
>
>       > >    for inflation)
>
>       > >       ???? Asa? Jay
>
>       > >       ???? Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt,
>
>       > >    USAFR, Retired
>
>       > >       ???? &? Shelley Marie
>
>       > >       ???? Spokane, WA
>
>       > >       ???? ******************************
>
>       > >       ???? [20][43]http://w7tsc.org
>
>       > >       ???? [21][44]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>       > >       ????
>
>       > >    _______________________________________________
>
>       > >       ???? Detomaso Email List is not managed by
>
>       > >    POCA
>
>       > >       ???? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
>
>       > >    Megabytes
>
>       > >       ???? DeTomaso mailing list
>
>       > >       ???? [22][45]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >       ????
>
>       [23][46]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >       ???? To manage your subscription (change
>
>       > >    email address, unsubscribe,
>
>       > >       ???? etc.) use the links above.
>
>       > >       ???? Members who post to this list grant
>
>       > >    license to the list to forward
>
>       > >       ???? any message posted here to all past,
>
>       > >    current, or future members of
>
>       > >       ???? the list. They also grant the list
>
>       > >    owner permission to maintain an
>
>       > >       ???? archive or approve the archiving of
>
>       > >    list messages.
>
>       > >       _______________________________________________
>
>       > >       Detomaso Email List is not managed by
>
>       > >    POCA
>
>       > >       Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
>
>       > >    Megabytes
>
>       > >       DeTomaso mailing list
>
>       > >       [24][47]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >
>    [25][48]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >       To manage your subscription (change email
>
>       > >    address, unsubscribe, etc.)
>
>       > >       use the links above.
>
>       > >       Members who post to this list grant
>
>       > >    license to the list to forward any
>
>       > >       message posted here to all past, current,
>
>       > >    or future members of the
>
>       > >       list. They also grant the list owner
>
>       > >    permission to maintain an archive
>
>       > >       or approve the archiving of list
>
>       > >    messages.
>
>       > >       -------------- next part --------------
>
>       > >       I have a couple questions Bob:
>
>       > >> Calling this situation "multiple dues
>
>       > >    levels" seems to be making the
>
>       > >       issue too complex. There are some members
>
>       > >    that are opting to not have
>
>       > >       printed magazines mailed which should make
>
>       > >    those members eligible for a
>
>       > >       discount because of the savings.
>
>       > >> What is your estimate of the length
>
>       > >    of time that it would take the
>
>       > >       board to arrange for a vote of the
>
>       > >    membership to change the bylaws to
>
>       > >       allow for this discount?
>
>       > >> Who specifically made that
>
>       > >    apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
>
>       > >> I agree that the editors should have
>
>       > >    the most influence on the
>
>       > >       process. However, our editors of both
>
>       > >    publications seem to have a hard
>
>       > >       time reporting to the members about ANY
>
>       > >    issues pertaining to the
>
>       > >       publication's themselves. Might that
>
>       > >    change in the near future or will
>
>       > >       radio silence be the norm here?
>
>       > >       Marshall Smith
>
>       > >       Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
>       > >       -------- Original message --------
>
>       > >       From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
>
>       <[26][49]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
>       > >       Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
>       > >       To: [27][50]asajay at asajay.com,
>
>       > >    [28][51]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
>
>       > >    paper vs. electronic
>
>       > >       To use a cliche, we're working on it.
>
>       > >       Most of what has been mentioned is in the
>
>       > >    pipeline. However, there
>
>       > >       are
>
>       > >       restrictions, particularly with the
>
>       > >    By-Laws as they currently stand.
>
>       > >       There
>
>       > >       are no provisions for multiple dues
>
>       > >    levels, particularly pertaining to
>
>       > >       how a
>
>       > >       member elects to have their club
>
>       > >    publications delivered, etc. That
>
>       > >       will
>
>       > >       take time as any changes or amendments
>
>       > >    must be approved by the whole
>
>       > >       membership.
>
>       > >       The consensus seems to be that the
>
>       > >    Profiles would continue as a print
>
>       > >       publication for all except foreign members
>
>       > >    who elect to receive it
>
>       > >       digitally.
>
>       > >       As far as printing is concerned, it is
>
>       > >    that first copy that is so
>
>       > >       expensive, it is the subsequent copies
>
>       > >    that bring down the per unit
>
>       > >       cost. So as
>
>       > >       fewer units are produced and shipped, the
>
>       > >    cost per unit increases but
>
>       > >       not
>
>       > >       proportionately.
>
>       > >       An apples to apples comparison was made
>
>       > >    between an online printer and
>
>       > >       the
>
>       > >       current printer for both printing and
>
>       > >    mailing and the difference was
>
>       > >       pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but
>
>       > >    for the whole run.
>
>       > >       As far as I am concerned, it is the
>
>       > >    editors who should have the most
>
>       > >       influence as to how and where their
>
>       > >    product is produced. They are the
>
>       > >       ones who
>
>       > >       must work with the printers and mailing
>
>       > >    houses on a regular basis.
>
>       > >       Bob Reid
>
>       > >       In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
>
>       > >    Eastern Daylight Time,
>
>       > >       [29][52]asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >    writes:
>
>       > >       The last I heard (and I may have heard
>
>       > >    wrong), the board was
>
>       > >       interested
>
>       > >       in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
>
>       > >    printing costs, so for me,
>
>       > >       it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
>
>       > >    agree, if POCA was missing out
>
>       > >       on
>
>       > >       full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
>
>       > >    then something is amiss.
>
>       > >       However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
>
>       > >    account for all costs
>
>       > >       properly. I have more faith that the
>
>       > >    present board members will
>
>       > >       properly investigate and sort it out for
>
>       > >    everyone.
>
>       > >       I am on-board with electronic delivery,
>
>       > >    though I do admit it's nice to
>
>       > >       just sit back and read a paper copy too.
>
>       > >    It's also easier to hand-off
>
>       > >       to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
>
>       > >    really fix that?
>
>       > >       I would think (and I don't know), that the
>
>       > >    ClubExpress membership
>
>       > >       database might be able to include a
>
>       > >    "preference" as part of the
>
>       > >       member's
>
>       > >       profile or details. Just as I can set an
>
>       > >    address and phone number, if
>
>       > >       I
>
>       > >       could check a box for Electronic delivery
>
>       > >    or paper copies, or both,
>
>       > >       and
>
>       > >       select whatever I wanted for each item
>
>       > >    (Profiles versus Newsletter),
>
>       > >       that might be ideal.
>
>       > >       However, I'm also familiar with quantity
>
>       > >    discounting. It very well
>
>       > >       could be that it costs the same amount to
>
>       > >    print 500 as it does to
>
>       > >       print
>
>       > >       50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
>
>       > >    those are considerations the
>
>       > >       board will look at as well.
>
>       > >       Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
>
>       > >    claimed, I have heard (from
>
>       > >       more
>
>       > >       than one person), that Jack and Mike did
>
>       > >    not resign "because POCA
>
>       > >       changed printers;" it was over "control"
>
>       > >    of newsletter content that in
>
>       > >       essence fell outside the bounds of the
>
>       > >    by-laws. For a guy that
>
>       > >       appeared
>
>       > >       to try very hard to get everyone else to
>
>       > >    follow the by-laws (and it's
>
>       > >       unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
>
>       > >    certainly didn't feel they
>
>       > >       applied
>
>       > >       to him.
>
>       > >       For the record, as I understand it, POCA
>
>       > >    has changed printers -twice-
>
>       > >       since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
>       > >    related to the DeRykes) got out of
>
>       > >       the business. So the "family tie-in"
>
>       > >    previously eluded to, was not a
>
>       > >       factor in the resignations.
>
>       > >       Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
>
>       > >    inflation)
>
>       > >       Asa Jay
>
>       > >       Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
>
>       > >    Retired
>
>       > >       & Shelley Marie
>
>       > >       Spokane, WA
>
>       > >       ******************************
>
>       > >       [30][53]http://w7tsc.org
>
>       > >       [31][54]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>       > >       _______________________________________________
>
>       > >       Detomaso Email List is not managed by
>
>       > >    POCA
>
>       > >       Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
>
>       > >    Megabytes
>
>       > >       DeTomaso mailing list
>
>       > >       [32][55]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >
>    [33][56]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >       To manage your subscription (change email
>
>       > >    address, unsubscribe, etc.)
>
>       > >       use
>
>       > >       the links above.
>
>       > >       Members who post to this list grant
>
>       > >    license to the list to forward any
>
>       > >       message posted here to all past, current,
>
>       > >    or future members of the
>
>       > >       list. They
>
>       > >       also grant the list owner permission to
>
>       > >    maintain an archive or approve
>
>       > >       the
>
>       > >       archiving of list messages.
>
>       > >       To use a cliche, we're working on it.
>
>       > >       Most of what has been mentioned is in the
>
>       > >    pipeline. However, there
>
>       > >       are
>
>       > >       restrictions, particularly with the
>
>       > >    By-Laws as they currently stand.
>
>       > >       There are no provisions for multiple dues
>
>       > >    levels,
>
>       > >       particularly pertaining to how a member
>
>       > >    elects to have their club
>
>       > >       publications delivered, etc. That will
>
>       > >    take time as any changes or
>
>       > >       amendments must be approved by the whole
>
>       > >    membership.
>
>       > >       The consensus seems to be that the
>
>       > >    Profiles would continue as a
>
>       > >       print
>
>       > >       publication for all except foreign members
>
>       > >    who elect to receive it
>
>       > >       digitally.
>
>       > >       As far as printing is concerned, it is
>
>       > >    that first copy that is so
>
>       > >       expensive, it is the subsequent copies
>
>       > >    that bring down the per unit
>
>       > >       cost. So as fewer units are produced and
>
>       > >    shipped, the cost per unit
>
>       > >       increases but not proportionately.
>
>       > >       An apples to apples comparison was made
>
>       > >    between an online printer
>
>       > >       and
>
>       > >       the current printer for both printing and
>
>       > >    mailing and the difference
>
>       > >       was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit
>
>       > >    but for the whole run.
>
>       > >       As far as I am concerned, it is the
>
>       > >    editors who should have the most
>
>       > >       influence as to how and where their
>
>       > >    product is produced. They are
>
>       > >       the
>
>       > >       ones who must work with the printers and
>
>       > >    mailing houses on a regular
>
>       > >       basis.
>
>       > >       Bob Reid
>
>       > >       In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
>
>       > >    Eastern Daylight Time,
>
>       > >       [34][57]asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >    writes:
>
>       > >       The last I heard (and I may have heard
>
>       > >    wrong), the board was
>
>       > >       interested
>
>       > >       in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
>
>       > >    printing costs, so for
>
>       > >       me,
>
>       > >       it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
>
>       > >    agree, if POCA was missing
>
>       > >       out
>
>       > >       on
>
>       > >       full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
>
>       > >    then something is amiss.
>
>       > >       However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
>
>       > >    account for all costs
>
>      > >       properly. I have more faith that the
>
>       > >    present board members will
>
>       > >       properly investigate and sort it out for
>
>       > >    everyone.
>
>       > >       I am on-board with electronic delivery,
>
>       > >    though I do admit it's
>
>       > >       nice
>
>       > >       to
>
>       > >       just sit back and read a paper copy too.
>
>       > >    It's also easier to
>
>       > >       hand-off
>
>       > >       to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
>
>       > >    really fix that?
>
>       > >       I would think (and I don't know), that the
>
>       > >    ClubExpress membership
>
>       > >       database might be able to include a
>
>       > >    "preference" as part of the
>
>       > >       member's
>
>       > >       profile or details. Just as I can set an
>
>       > >    address and phone
>
>       > >       number,
>
>       > >       if I
>
>       > >       could check a box for Electronic delivery
>
>       > >    or paper copies, or
>
>       > >       both,
>
>       > >       and
>
>       > >       select whatever I wanted for each item
>
>       > >    (Profiles versus
>
>       > >       Newsletter),
>
>       > >       that might be ideal.
>
>       > >       However, I'm also familiar with quantity
>
>       > >    discounting. It very
>
>       > >       well
>
>       > >       could be that it costs the same amount to
>
>       > >    print 500 as it does to
>
>       > >       print
>
>       > >       50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
>
>       > >    those are considerations
>
>       > >       the
>
>       > >       board will look at as well.
>
>       > >       Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
>
>       > >    claimed, I have heard (from
>
>       > >       more
>
>       > >       than one person), that Jack and Mike did
>
>       > >    not resign "because POCA
>
>       > >       changed printers;" it was over "control"
>
>       > >    of newsletter content
>
>       > >       that
>
>       > >       in
>
>       > >       essence fell outside the bounds of the
>
>       > >    by-laws. For a guy that
>
>       > >       appeared
>
>       > >       to try very hard to get everyone else to
>
>       > >    follow the by-laws (and
>
>       > >       it's
>
>       > >       unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
>
>       > >    certainly didn't feel they
>
>      > >       applied
>
>       > >       to him.
>
>       > >       For the record, as I understand it, POCA
>
>       > >    has changed printers
>
>       > >       -twice-
>
>       > >       since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
>       > >    related to the DeRykes) got
>
>       > >       out
>
>       > >       of
>
>       > >       the business. So the "family tie-in"
>
>       > >    previously eluded to, was
>
>       > >       not
>
>       > >       a
>
>       > >       factor in the resignations.
>
>       > >       Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
>
>       > >    inflation)
>
>       > >       Asa Jay
>
>       > >       Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
>
>       > >    Retired
>
>       > >       & Shelley Marie
>
>       > >       Spokane, WA
>
>       > >       ******************************
>
>       > >       [35][58]http://w7tsc.org
>
>       > >       [36][59]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>       > >       _______________________________________________
>
>       > >       Detomaso Email List is not managed by
>
>       > >    POCA
>
>       > >       Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
>
>       > >    Megabytes
>
>       > >       DeTomaso mailing list
>
>       > >       [37][60]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >
>    [38][61]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >       To manage your subscription (change email
>
>       > >    address, unsubscribe,
>
>       > >       etc.) use the links above.
>
>       > >       Members who post to this list grant
>
>       > >    license to the list to forward
>
>       > >       any message posted here to all past,
>
>       > >    current, or future members of
>
>       > >       the list. They also grant the list owner
>
>       > >    permission to maintain an
>
>      > >       archive or approve the archiving of list
>
>       > >    messages.
>
>       > >       _______________________________________________
>
>       > >       Detomaso Email List is not managed by
>
>       > >    POCA
>
>       > >       Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
>
>       > >    Megabytes
>
>       > >       DeTomaso mailing list
>
>       > >       [39][62]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >
>    [40][63]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >       To manage your subscription (change email
>
>       > >    address, unsubscribe, etc.)
>
>       > >       use the links above.
>
>       > >       Members who post to this list grant
>
>       > >    license to the list to forward any
>
>       > >       message posted here to all past, current,
>
>       > >    or future members of the
>
>       > >       list. They also grant the list owner
>
>       > >    permission to maintain an archive
>
>       > >       or approve the archiving of list
>
>       > >    messages.
>
>       > >       ------------------------------
>
>       > >       Message: 2
>
>       > >       Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:56:45 -0700
>
>       > >       From: Michael Cox <[41][64]coxmichaelt at gmail.com>
>
>       > >       To: [42][65]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera
>
>       > >    GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
>
>       > >       Message-ID:
>
>       > >
>
>
>    <CAMPkPf3HQcqg5vLxgjpJP=7z=UBbrVs=[43][66]ynAnbzepC1U9QH+A_Q at mail.gmail
>
>       > >   .com
>
>       > >>
>
>       > >       Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>       > >> From: Ed Mendez <[44][67]edducati at mac.com>
>
>       > >> Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera
>
>       > >    GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
>
>       > >>
>
>       > >> Hi! I found this on eBay and thought
>
>       > >    you might like it! Check it out
>
>       > >       now! De Tomaso:
>
>       > >> Other Pantera GTS [45][68]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>
>       > >       These guys found that ad too. :^)
>
>       > >
>
>
>    [46][69]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
>
>       > >   a-ha
>
>       > >       s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
>
>       > >       --michael cox
>
>       > >       -------------- next part --------------
>
>       > >> From: Ed Mendez <[1][47][70]edducati at mac.com>
>
>       > >> Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera
>
>       > >    GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
>
>       > >> A
>
>       > >> Hi! I found this on eBay and thought
>
>       > >    you might like it! Check it out
>
>       > >       now!A De Tomaso:
>
>       > >> Other Pantera GTSA [2][48][71]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>
>       > >       These guys found that ad too. A :^)
>
>       > >
>
>
>    [3][49][72]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pan
>
>       > >   tera
>
>       > >       -has
>
>       > >       -only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
>
>       > >       A A --michael cox
>
>       > >       References
>
>       > >       1. [50][73]mailto:edducati at mac.com
>
>       > >       2. [51][74]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>
>       > >       3.
>
>       > >
>
>
>    [52][75]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
>
>       > >   a-ha
>
>       > >       s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
>
>       > >       ------------------------------
>
>       > >       Message: 3
>
>       > >       Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 08:05:15 -0700
>
>       > >       From: "Stephen" <[53][76]steve at snclocks.com>
>
>       > >       To: "'marshallgsmith'"
>    <[54][77]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
>
>       > >       <[55][78]P6746 at aol.com>,
>
>       > >    <[56][79]asajay at asajay.com>,
>
>       > >       <[57][80]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
>       > >       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
>
>       > >    paper vs. electronic
>
>       > >       Message-ID:
>
>       > >    <[81]004701d1f706$6ead4a50$4c07def0$@snclocks.com>
>
>       > >       Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>       > >       Having been on Boards before - I'd suggest
>
>       > >    the current Board deserves
>
>       > >       some time to catch their breath and
>
>       > >    recover from the situation they
>
>       > >       have recently been through. It is amazing
>
>       > >    how much time something like
>
>       > >       this takes - and I suspect everyone on the
>
>       > >    Board would like to catch up
>
>       > >       on all the things they have let slide
>
>       > >    while coping with the removal of
>
>       > >       a president and all the animosity and
>
>       > >    e-mails the whole mess generated.
>
>       > >       It's so easy to ask questions - but takes
>
>       > >    a lot more time to figure out
>
>       > >       how to do everything asked below. For now,
>
>       > >    let's just let the Board
>
>       > >       recover and slowly get some of the loose
>
>       > >    ends taken care of.
>
>       > >       Stephen Nelson
>
>       > >       -----Original Message-----
>
>       > >       From: DeTomaso
>
>       > >   [[58][82]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>
>       > >    On
>
>       > >       Behalf Of marshallgsmith
>
>       > >       Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 8:28 PM
>
>       > >       To: [59][83]P6746 at aol.com; [60][84]asajay at asajay.com;
>
>       > >       [61][85]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
>
>       > >    paper vs. electronic
>
>       > >       I have a couple questions Bob:
>
>       > >> Calling this situation "multiple dues
>
>       > >    levels" seems to be making the
>
>       > >       issue too complex. There are some members
>
>       > >    that are opting to not have
>
>       > >       printed magazines mailed which should make
>
>       > >    those members eligible for a
>
>       > >       discount because of the savings.
>
>       > >> What is your estimate of the length
>
>       > >    of time that it would take the
>
>       > >       board to arrange for a vote of the
>
>       > >    membership to change the bylaws to
>
>       > >       allow for this discount?
>
>       > >> Who specifically made that
>
>       > >    apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
>
>       > >> I agree that the editors should have
>
>       > >    the most influence on the
>
>       > >       process. However, our editors of both
>
>       > >    publications seem to have a hard
>
>       > >       time reporting to the members about ANY
>
>       > >    issues pertaining to the
>
>       > >       publication's themselves. Might that
>
>       > >    change in the near future or will
>
>       > >       radio silence be the norm here?
>
>       > >       Marshall Smith
>
>       > >       Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
>       > >       -------- Original message --------
>
>       > >       From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
>
>       <[62][86]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
>       > >       Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
>       > >       To: [63][87]asajay at asajay.com,
>
>       > >    [64][88]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
>
>       > >    paper vs. electronic
>
>       > >       To use a cliche, we're working on it.
>
>       > >       Most of what has been mentioned is in the
>
>       > >    pipeline. However, there are
>
>       > >       restrictions, particularly with the
>
>       > >    By-Laws as they currently stand.
>
>       > >       There are no provisions for multiple dues
>
>       > >    levels, particularly
>
>       > >       pertaining to how a member elects to have
>
>       > >    their club publications
>
>       > >       delivered, etc. That will take time as any
>
>       > >    changes or amendments must
>
>       > >       be approved by the whole membership.
>
>       > >       The consensus seems to be that the
>
>       > >    Profiles would continue as a print
>
>       > >       publication for all except foreign members
>
>       > >    who elect to receive it
>
>       > >       digitally.
>
>       > >       As far as printing is concerned, it is
>
>       > >    that first copy that is so
>
>       > >       expensive, it is the subsequent copies
>
>       > >    that bring down the per unit
>
>       > >       cost. So as fewer units are produced and
>
>       > >    shipped, the cost per unit
>
>       > >       increases but not proportionately.
>
>       > >       An apples to apples comparison was made
>
>       > >    between an online printer and
>
>       > >       the current printer for both printing and
>
>       > >    mailing and the difference
>
>       > >       was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit
>
>       > >    but for the whole run.
>
>       > >       As far as I am concerned, it is the
>
>       > >    editors who should have the most
>
>       > >       influence as to how and where their
>
>       > >    product is produced. They are the
>
>       > >       ones who must work with the printers and
>
>       > >    mailing houses on a regular
>
>       > >       basis.
>
>       > >       Bob Reid
>
>       > >       In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
>
>       > >    Eastern Daylight Time,
>
>       > >       [65][89]asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >    writes:
>
>       > >       The last I heard (and I may have heard
>
>       > >    wrong), the board was interested
>
>       > >       in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
>
>       > >    printing costs, so for me,
>
>       > >       it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
>
>       > >    agree, if POCA was missing out on
>
>       > >       full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
>
>       > >    then something is amiss.
>
>       > >       However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
>
>       > >    account for all costs
>
>       > >       properly. I have more faith that the
>
>       > >    present board members will
>
>       > >       properly investigate and sort it out for
>
>       > >    everyone.
>
>       > >       I am on-board with electronic delivery,
>
>       > >    though I do admit it's nice to
>
>       > >       just sit back and read a paper copy too.
>
>       > >    It's also easier to hand-off
>
>       > >       to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
>
>       > >    really fix that?
>
>       > >       I would think (and I don't know), that the
>
>       > >    ClubExpress membership
>
>       > >       database might be able to include a
>
>       > >    "preference" as part of the
>
>       > >       member's profile or details. Just as I can
>
>       > >    set an address and phone
>
>       > >       number, if I could check a box for
>
>       > >    Electronic delivery or paper copies,
>
>       > >       or both, and select whatever I wanted for
>
>       > >    each item (Profiles versus
>
>       > >       Newsletter), that might be ideal.
>
>       > >       However, I'm also familiar with quantity
>
>       > >    discounting. It very well
>
>       > >       could be that it costs the same amount to
>
>       > >    print 500 as it does to print
>
>       > >       50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
>
>       > >    those are considerations the
>
>       > >       board will look at as well.
>
>       > >       Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
>
>       > >    claimed, I have heard (from more
>
>       > >       than one person), that Jack and Mike did
>
>       > >    not resign "because POCA
>
>       > >       changed printers;" it was over "control"
>
>       > >    of newsletter content that in
>
>       > >       essence fell outside the bounds of the
>
>       > >    by-laws. For a guy that appeared
>
>       > >       to try very hard to get everyone else to
>
>       > >    follow the by-laws (and it's
>
>       > >       unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
>
>       > >    certainly didn't feel they
>
>       > >       applied to him.
>
>       > >       For the record, as I understand it, POCA
>
>       > >    has changed printers -twice-
>
>       > >       since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
>       > >    related to the DeRykes) got out of
>
>       > >       the business. So the "family tie-in"
>
>       > >    previously eluded to, was not a
>
>       > >       factor in the resignations.
>
>       > >       Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
>
>       > >    inflation) Asa Jay
>
>       > >       Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
>
>       > >    Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane,
>
>       > >       WA
>
>       > >       ******************************
>
>       > >       [66]http://w7tsc.org
>
>       > >       [67]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>       > >       _______________________________________________
>
>       > >       Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
>
>       > >    Posted emails must not
>
>       > >       exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing
>
>       > >    list
>
>       > >       [68]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >
>    [69]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >       To manage your subscription (change email
>
>       > >    address, unsubscribe, etc.)
>
>       > >       use the links above.
>
>       > >       Members who post to this list grant
>
>       > >    license to the list to forward any
>
>       > >       message posted here to all past, current,
>
>       > >    or future members of the
>
>       > >       list. They also grant the list owner
>
>       > >    permission to maintain an archive
>
>       > >       or approve the archiving of list
>
>       > >    messages.
>
>       > >       To use a cliche, we're working on it.
>
>       > >       Most of what has been mentioned is in the
>
>       > >    pipeline. However, there are
>
>       > >       restrictions, particularly with the
>
>       > >    By-Laws as they currently stand.
>
>       > >       There are no provisions for multiple dues
>
>       > >    levels,
>
>       > >       particularly pertaining to how a member
>
>       > >    elects to have their club
>
>       > >       publications delivered, etc. That will
>
>       > >    take time as any changes or
>
>       > >       amendments must be approved by the whole
>
>       > >    membership.
>
>       > >       The consensus seems to be that the
>
>       > >    Profiles would continue as a print
>
>       > >       publication for all except foreign members
>
>       > >    who elect to receive it
>
>       > >       digitally.
>
>       > >       As far as printing is concerned, it is
>
>       > >    that first copy that is so
>
>       > >       expensive, it is the subsequent copies
>
>       > >    that bring down the per unit
>
>       > >       cost. So as fewer units are produced and
>
>       > >    shipped, the cost per unit
>
>       > >       increases but not proportionately.
>
>       > >       An apples to apples comparison was made
>
>       > >    between an online printer and
>
>       > >       the current printer for both printing and
>
>       > >    mailing and the difference
>
>       > >       was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit
>
>       > >    but for the whole run.
>
>       > >       As far as I am concerned, it is the
>
>       > >    editors who should have the most
>
>       > >       influence as to how and where their
>
>       > >    product is produced. They are the
>
>       > >       ones who must work with the printers and
>
>       > >    mailing houses on a regular
>
>       > >       basis.
>
>       > >       Bob Reid
>
>       > >       In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
>
>       > >    Eastern Daylight Time,
>
>       > >       [70]asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >    writes:
>
>       > >       The last I heard (and I may have heard
>
>       > >    wrong), the board was
>
>       > >       interested
>
>       > >       in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
>
>       > >    printing costs, so for
>
>       > >       me,
>
>       > >       it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
>
>       > >    agree, if POCA was missing out
>
>       > >       on
>
>       > >       full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
>
>       > >    then something is amiss.
>
>       > >       However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
>
>       > >    account for all costs
>
>       > >       properly. I have more faith that the
>
>       > >    present board members will
>
>       > >       properly investigate and sort it out for
>
>       > >    everyone.
>
>       > >       I am on-board with electronic delivery,
>
>       > >    though I do admit it's nice
>
>       > >       to
>
>       > >       just sit back and read a paper copy too.
>
>       > >    It's also easier to
>
>       > >       hand-off
>
>       > >       to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
>
>       > >    really fix that?
>
>       > >       I would think (and I don't know), that the
>
>       > >    ClubExpress membership
>
>       > >       database might be able to include a
>
>       > >    "preference" as part of the
>
>       > >       member's
>
>       > >       profile or details. Just as I can set an
>
>       > >    address and phone number,
>
>       > >       if I
>
>       > >       could check a box for Electronic delivery
>
>       > >    or paper copies, or both,
>
>       > >       and
>
>       > >       select whatever I wanted for each item
>
>       > >    (Profiles versus Newsletter),
>
>       > >       that might be ideal.
>
>       > >       However, I'm also familiar with quantity
>
>       > >    discounting. It very well
>
>       > >       could be that it costs the same amount to
>
>       > >    print 500 as it does to
>
>       > >       print
>
>       > >       50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
>
>       > >    those are considerations the
>
>       > >       board will look at as well.
>
>       > >       Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
>
>       > >    claimed, I have heard (from
>
>       > >       more
>
>       > >       than one person), that Jack and Mike did
>
>       > >    not resign "because POCA
>
>       > >       changed printers;" it was over "control"
>
>       > >    of newsletter content that
>
>       > >       in
>
>       > >       essence fell outside the bounds of the
>
>       > >    by-laws. For a guy that
>
>       > >       appeared
>
>       > >       to try very hard to get everyone else to
>
>       > >    follow the by-laws (and
>
>       > >       it's
>
>       > >       unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
>
>       > >    certainly didn't feel they
>
>       > >       applied
>
>       > >       to him.
>
>       > >       For the record, as I understand it, POCA
>
>       > >    has changed printers
>
>       > >       -twice-
>
>       > >       since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
>       > >    related to the DeRykes) got out
>
>       > >       of
>
>       > >       the business. So the "family tie-in"
>
>       > >    previously eluded to, was not
>
>       > >       a
>
>       > >       factor in the resignations.
>
>       > >       Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
>
>       > >    inflation)
>
>       > >       Asa Jay
>
>       > >       Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
>
>       > >    Retired
>
>       > >       & Shelley Marie
>
>       > >       Spokane, WA
>
>       > >       ******************************
>
>       > >       [71]http://w7tsc.org
>
>       > >       [72]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>       > >       _______________________________________________
>
>       > >       Detomaso Email List is not managed by
>
>       > >    POCA
>
>       > >       Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
>
>       > >    Megabytes
>
>       > >       DeTomaso mailing list
>
>       > >       [73]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >
>    [74]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >       To manage your subscription (change email
>
>       > >    address, unsubscribe,
>
>       > >       etc.) use the links above.
>
>       > >       Members who post to this list grant
>
>       > >    license to the list to forward
>
>       > >       any message posted here to all past,
>
>       > >    current, or future members of
>
>       > >       the list. They also grant the list owner
>
>       > >    permission to maintain an
>
>       > >       archive or approve the archiving of list
>
>       > >    messages.
>
>       > >       _______________________________________________
>
>       > >       Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
>
>       > >    Posted emails must not
>
>       > >       exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing
>
>       > >    list
>
>       > >       [75]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >
>    [76]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >       To manage your subscription (change email
>
>       > >    address, unsubscribe, etc.)
>
>       > >       use the links above.
>
>       > >       Members who post to this list grant
>
>       > >    license to the list to forward any
>
>       > >       message posted here to all past, current,
>
>       > >    or future members of the
>
>       > >       list. They also grant the list owner
>
>       > >    permission to maintain an archive
>
>       > >       or approve the archiving of list
>
>       > >    messages.
>
>       > >       ------------------------------
>
>       > >       Subject: Digest Footer
>
>       > >       _______________________________________________
>
>       > >       Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
>
>       > >    Megabytes
>
>       > >       DeTomaso mailing list
>
>       > >       [77]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >
>    [78]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >       Members who post to this list grant
>
>       > >    license to the list to forward any
>
>       > >       message posted here to all past, current,
>
>       > >    or future members of the
>
>       > >       list. They also grant the list owner
>
>       > >    permission to maintain an archive
>
>       > >       or approve the archiving of list
>
>       > >    messages.
>
>       > >       ------------------------------
>
>       > >       End of DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 20
>
>       > >       *****************************************
>
>       > >
>
>       > >    References
>
>       > >
>
>       > >       1. [1]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >       2. [2]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >       3.
>
>       [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >       4. [4]mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >       5. [5]mailto:owner at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >       6. [6]mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>
>       > >       7. [7]mailto:P6746 at aol.com
>
>       > >       8. [8]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >       9. [9]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >      10.
>
>       > >
>
>       [10]mailto:sdxpj9k7caacwyvlamgw7uly.1471231663405 at email.android.com
>
>       > >      11. [11]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >      12. [12]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >      13. [13]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >      14. [14]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >      15. [15]http://w7tsc.org/
>
>       > >      16. [16]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
>       > >      17. [17]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >      18.
>
>       [18]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >      19. [19]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >      20. [20]http://w7tsc.org/
>
>       > >      21. [21]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
>       > >      22. [22]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >      23.
>
>       [23]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >      24. [24]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >      25.
>
>       [25]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >      26. [26]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >      27. [27]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >      28. [28]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >      29. [29]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >      30. [30]http://w7tsc.org/
>
>       > >      31. [31]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
>       > >      32. [32]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >      33.
>
>       [33]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >      34. [34]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >      35. [35]http://w7tsc.org/
>
>       > >      36. [36]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
>       > >      37. [37]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >      38.
>
>       [38]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >      39. [39]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >      40.
>
>       [40]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >      41. [41]mailto:coxmichaelt at gmail.com
>
>       > >      42. [42]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >      43. [43]mailto:ynAnbzepC1U9QH+A_Q at mail.gmail.com
>    <mailto:ynAnbzepC1U9QH%2BA_Q at mail.gmail.com>
>
>       > >      44. [44]mailto:edducati at mac.com
>
>       > >      45. [45]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>
>       > >      46.
>
>       > >
>
>
>    [46]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-ha
>
>       > >   s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
>
>       > >      47. [47]mailto:edducati at mac.com
>
>       > >      48. [48]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>
>       > >      49.
>
>       > >
>
>
>    [49]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-ha
>
>       > >   s
>
>       > >      50. [50]mailto:edducati at mac.com?
>
>       > >      51. [51]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>
>       > >      52.
>
>       > >
>
>
>    [52]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-ha
>
>       > >   s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
>
>       > >      53. [53]mailto:steve at snclocks.com
>
>       > >      54. [54]mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>
>       > >      55. [55]mailto:P6746 at aol.com
>
>       > >      56. [56]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >      57. [57]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >      58. [58]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
>
>       > >      59. [59]mailto:P6746 at aol.com
>
>       > >      60. [60]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >      61. [61]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >      62. [62]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >      63. [63]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >      64. [64]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >      65. [65]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >      66. [66]http://w7tsc.org/
>
>       > >      67. [67]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
>       > >      68. [68]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >      69.
>
>       [69]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >      70. [70]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >      71. [71]http://w7tsc.org/
>
>       > >      72. [72]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
>       > >      73. [73]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >      74.
>
>       [74]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >      75. [75]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >      76.
>
>       [76]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >      77. [77]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >      78.
>
>       [78]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >
>
>       > >    -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>
>       > >
>
>       > >    _______________________________________________
>
>       > >
>
>       > >
>
>       > >    Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
>
>       > >    Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
>
>       > >    DeTomaso mailing list
>
>       > >    DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >    [79]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >
>
>       > >    To manage your subscription (change email address,
>
>       > >    unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.
>
>       > >
>
>       > >    Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
>
>       > >    forward any message posted here to all past, current, or
>
>       > >    future members of the list. They also grant the list owner
>
>       > >    permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving
>
>       > >    of list messages.
>
>       > >   _______________________________________________
>
>       > >   Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
>
>       > >   Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
>
>       > >   DeTomaso mailing list
>
>       > >   DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >   [80]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >   To manage your subscription (change email address,
>    unsubscribe,
>
>       etc.)
>
>       > >   use the links above.
>
>       > >   Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
>
>       forward any
>
>       > >   message posted here to all past, current, or future members of
>
>       the
>
>       > >   list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
>
>       archive
>
>       > >   or approve the archiving of list messages.
>
>       > >
>
>       > > References
>
>       > >
>
>       > >   1. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >   2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >   3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >   4. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >   5. mailto:owner at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >   6. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>
>       > >   7. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
>
>       > >   8. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >   9. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >  10.
>
>       mailto:sdxpj9k7caacwyvlamgw7uly.1471231663405 at email.android.com
>
>       > >  11. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >  12. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >  13. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >  14. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >  15. http://w7tsc.org/
>
>       > >  16. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
>       > >  17. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >  18. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >  19. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >  20. http://w7tsc.org/
>
>       > >  21. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
>       > >  22. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >  23. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >  24. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >  25. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >  26. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >  27. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>      > >  28. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >  29. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >  30. http://w7tsc.org/
>
>       > >  31. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
>       > >  32. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >  33. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >  34. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >  35. http://w7tsc.org/
>
>       > >  36. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
>       > >  37. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >  38. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >  39. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >  40. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >  41. mailto:coxmichaelt at gmail.com
>
>       > >  42. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >  43. mailto:ynAnbzepC1U9QH+A_Q at mail.gmail.com
>    <mailto:ynAnbzepC1U9QH%2BA_Q at mail.gmail.com>
>
>       > >  44. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>
>       > >  45. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>
>       > >  46.
>
>
>    http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-has-on
>
>       ly-78
>
>       5-miles-to-its-name/109069/
>
>       > >  47. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>
>       > >  48. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>
>       > >  49.
>
>       http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-has
>
>       > >  50. mailto:edducati at mac.com?
>
>       > >  51. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>
>       > >  52.
>
>
>    http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-has-on
>
>       ly-78
>
>       5-miles-to-its-name/109069/
>
>       > >  53. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
>
>       > >  54. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>
>       > >  55. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
>
>       > >  56. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >  57. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >  58. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
>
>       > >  59. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
>
>       > >  60. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >  61. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >  62. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >  63. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >  64. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >  65. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >  66. http://w7tsc.org/
>
>       > >  67. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
>       > >  68. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >  69. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >  70. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
>       > >  71. http://w7tsc.org/
>
>       > >  72. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
>       > >  73. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >  74. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >  75. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >  76. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >  77. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > >  78. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >  79. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >  80. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > > _______________________________________________
>
>       > >
>
>       > >
>
>       > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
>
>       > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
>
>       > > DeTomaso mailing list
>
>       > > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       > >
>
>       > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
>
>       etc.)
>
>       use the links above.
>
>       > >
>
>       > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
>    forward
>
>       any
>
>       message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
>
>       list.
>
>       They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or
>
>       approve
>
>       the archiving of list messages.
>
>       >
>
>       > _______________________________________________
>
>       >
>
>       >
>
>       > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
>
>       > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
>
>       > DeTomaso mailing list
>
>       > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       >
>
>       > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
>    etc.)
>
>       use
>
>       the links above.
>
>       >
>
>       > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
>
>       any
>
>       message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
>
>       list.
>
>       They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or
>
>       approve
>
>       the archiving of list messages.
>
>
>       _______________________________________________
>
>       Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
>
>       Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
>
>       DeTomaso mailing list
>
>       DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>       http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>       To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
>    etc.)
>
>       use the links above.
>
>       Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
>    any
>
>       message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
>
>       list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
>    archive
>
>       or approve the archiving of list messages.
>
>
>
>    _______________________________________________
>
>
>
>    Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
>
>    Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
>
>    DeTomaso mailing list
>
>    DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
>    http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
>
>    To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
>    use the links above.
>
>
>    Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any
>    message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
>    list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
>    or approve the archiving of list messages.
>
> References
>
>    1. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
>    2. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>    3. mailto:paso750 at gmail.com
>    4. mailto:jpoca2 at hotmail.com
>    5. mailto:erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
>    6. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>    7. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>    8. mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com
>    9. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>   10. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   11. mailto:erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
>   12. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>   13. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   14. mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com
>   15. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>   16. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>   17. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>   18. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   19. mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com
>   20. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   21. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   22. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>   23. mailto:detomaso-request at server.detomasolist.com
>   24. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   25. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   26. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>   27. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
>   28. mailto:owner at server.detomasolist.com
>   29. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>   30. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
>   31. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>   32. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   33. mailto:sdxpj9k7caacwyvlamgw7uly.1471231663405 at email.android.com
>   34. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   35. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>   36. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   37. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>   38. http://w7tsc.org/
>   39. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>   40. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   41. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>   42. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>   43. http://w7tsc.org/
>   44. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>   45. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   46. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>   47. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   48. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>   49. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   50. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>   51. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   52. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>   53. http://w7tsc.org/
>   54. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>   55. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   56. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>   57. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>   58. http://w7tsc.org/
>   59. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>   60. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   61. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>   62. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   63. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>   64. mailto:coxmichaelt at gmail.com
>   65. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   66. mailto:ynAnbzepC1U9QH+A_Q at mail.gmail
>   67. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>   68. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>   69. http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
>   70. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>   71. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>   72. http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pan
>   73. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>   74. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>   75. http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
>   76. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
>   77. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>   78. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
>   79. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>   80. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   81. mailto:004701d1f706$6ead4a50$4c07def0$@snclocks.com
>   82. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>   83. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
>   84. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>   85. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   86. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   87. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>   88. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   89. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
> DeTomaso mailing list
> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use
> the links above.
>
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any
> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list.
> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve
> the archiving of list messages.
>
-------------- next part --------------
   Stephen, thank you for saying what I was about to say.

   If folks want to continue to rant about this, do the courteous thing,
   do it offline and don't burden the rest of the world with a subject
   that the BOD will hopefully sort out and do the right thing, putting
   personality conflicts aside and implementing the needed changes to
   improve the club.

   Dick Koch - Atlanta

   On Aug 16, 2016 2:28 PM, "Stephen" <[1]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:

     A  A So, when, exactly, did we stop beating our spouses???
     A  A Effie - gads - you have the names of the printers!A  Call them
     - short
     A  A of that I can assure you any good photographer can modify a
     document so
     A  A you will not be able to know what is real and what is not.
     A  A Let's stop the witch hunt - look at the folks who stood up to
     the
     A  A shortt.A  Think about how long they have been a part of POCA.A
     Are they
     A  A out for personal gain in standing up to a person who made way
     too many
     A  A folks want to quit?
     A  A If you or others wish to continue the witch hunt - please start
     a new
     A  A thread, with the initials MS in front of the subject.A  That
     way I can
     A  A route all e-mails associated with the thread to my trash bin.
     A  A I'm going to go back to working on 5332 and hope this whole
     nightmare
     A  A will just go away.
     A  A Stephen Nelson
     A  A -----Original Message-----
     A  A From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces@
     server.detomasolist.com] On
     A  A Behalf Of Effie Richards
     A  A Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 10:30 AM
     A  A To: 'Charles McCall' <[3]charlesmccall at gmail.com>;
     'marshallgsmith'
     A  A <[4]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
     A  A Cc: 'detomaso' <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; 'laurie
     Basile'
     A  A <[6]laurieferrari at aol.com>
     A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
     A  A Where are the actual proposals/quotes from the printers, not
     the ones
     A  A the editor posted here.A  Those as they appear, could have been
     A  A manipulated - I'm not accusing anyone, I am just saying, as any
     court
     A  A would say - an experienced editor like Jack could add or delete
     to
     A  A create and post what he did here.A  Since there are many still
     A  A questioning the printer cost, let's see the actual bids.
     A  A From: Charles McCall [[1]mailto:[7]charlesmccall at gmail.com]
     A  A Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 12:08 AM
     A  A To: marshallgsmith
     A  A Cc: Michael Haney; Judith McCartney; Effie Richards; Julian
     Kift;
     A  A detomaso; laurie Basile
     A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
     A  A You did all read the info sent by Judy McCartney last week with
     Jack's
     A  A explanation?
     A  A Re-sent here in case you didn't see it. Please open the
     attachment - I
     A  A promise no viruses are included
     A  A On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 8:20 AM, marshallgsmith
     A  A <[2][8]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
     A  A  A  Hey Michael,
     A  A  A  I think the best way to put this controversy to bed is if
     you or
     A  A your
     A  A  A  dad could speak about not being cooperative in regards to
     the the
     A  A use
     A  A  A  of another printer that supposedly afforded the club an
     $8,000
     A  A savings.
     A  A  A  That really seems to be the only issue that continues this
     A  A controversy
     A  A  A  and I still haven't heard either of you discuss the
     allegation. I'm
     A  A  A  sure your response will cut this thread for good and allow
     us all to
     A  A  A  move on with the rebuilding of this great club.
     A  A  A  Marshall Smith
     A  A  A  President, San Diego Panteras
     A  A  A  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
     A  A  A  -------- Original message --------
     A  A  A  From: Michael Haney <[3][9]paso750 at gmail.com>
     A  A  A  Date: 8/15/16 10:36 PM (GMT-08:00)
     A  A  A  To: 'Judith McCartney' <[4][10]jpoca2 at hotmail.com>, 'Effie
     Richards'
     A  A  A  <[5][11]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>, 'Julian Kift'
     A  A  A  <[6][12]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     A  A  A  Cc: [7][13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com, 'laurie
     Basile'
     A  A  A  <[8][14]laurieferrari at aol.com>
     A  A  A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
     A  A  A  Thank you very much, Judy.
     A  A  A  I really wish this thread would just die.
     A  A  A  I know that this isn't the answer you're fishing for, but
     it'll have
     A  A to
     A  A  A  do
     A  A  A  since it's the truth.
     A  A  A  Nancy quit and took her associate (me) with her because she
     was
     A  A tired
     A  A  A  of
     A  A  A  hearing from me all about Shortt's efforts to take over
     every aspect
     A  A of
     A  A  A  POCA.
     A  A  A  I didn't fight her decision because I was in turn tired of
     Shortt's
     A  A  A  intimidation and bullying tactics. Frankly, being on the
     Board
     A  A wasn't
     A  A  A  fun
     A  A  A  anymore and I was also very tired of Shortt's constant
     preening.
     A  A  A  As a matter of record, I resigned from the Board BEFORE
     Profiles #3
     A  A  A  even
     A  A  A  went to the printer. I had nearly finished it and decided
     that I
     A  A didn't
     A  A  A  want
     A  A  A  to let the POCA members down. I really didn't want to
     contribute any
     A  A  A  more to
     A  A  A  Shortt's regime, but my conscience won.
     A  A  A  Even after I sent the magazine in, I still had to deal with
     Shortt.
     A  A He
     A  A  A  decided to interfere with the printer, sent them a database
     with a
     A  A  A  whole
     A  A  A  bunch of problematic info and threaten nonpayment if he
     didn't get
     A  A  A  preliminary proofs. How do I know this? I received a call
     while I
     A  A was
     A  A  A  at
     A  A  A  work from the woman working in Allegra Printing's mail
     room. She
     A  A called
     A  A  A  Shortt and he wouldn't help her with the database and
     ignored her
     A  A  A  questions.
     A  A  A  Having no one else to call, she called me. I in turn
     contacted Judy,
     A  A  A  our
     A  A  A  Membership Director, who fixed the problems that Shortt
     created.
     A  A  A  Regarding Shortt's allegations of graft, if anyone can find
     a
     A  A  A  connection
     A  A  A  between my family and anyone who EVER worked at Allegra
     Printing in
     A  A  A  Reno,
     A  A  A  Nevada, (or indeed any of Allegra's branches) please let me
     know.
     A  A  A  My Dad might respond as well, but he's been pretty busy
     caring for
     A  A my
     A  A  A  SERIOUSLY ill Mom who was in the hospital for the last two
     weeks and
     A  A  A  who
     A  A  A  might finally be able to come back home in a couple more.
     A  A  A  Now, can we finally put this "controversy" to rest?
     A  A  A  Mike Haney
     A  A  A  -----Original Message-----
     A  A  A  From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:[15]detomaso-bounces@
     server.detomasolist.com]
     A  A On
     A  A  A  Behalf
     A  A  A  Of Judith McCartney
     A  A  A  Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 8:44 PM
     A  A  A  To: Effie Richards; Julian Kift
     A  A  A  Cc: [10][16]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; laurie Basile
     A  A  A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
     A  A  A  Mike Haney gave his resignation months way head of Jacks,
     two diff
     A  A  A  reasons.
     A  A  A  Judith McCartney, Membership Director & Fun Rally
     coordinator.
     A  A  A  > From: [11][17]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
     A  A  A  > Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 18:43:43 -0700
     A  A  A  > To: [12][18]julian_kift at hotmail.com
     A  A  A  > CC: [13][19]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
     A  A [14][20]laurieferrari at aol.com
     A  A  A  > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
     A  A  A  >
     A  A  A  > Julian these are the same questions some of us have had
     and have
     A  A been
     A  A  A  waiting for a reply or statement. I'm willing to give the
     board some
     A  A  A  time to
     A  A  A  come up with one.
     A  A  A  >
     A  A  A  > Sent from Effie's iPad
     A  A  A  >
     A  A  A  > > On Aug 15, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Julian Kift
     A  A <[15][21]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     A  A  A  wrote:
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > >A  A I have digested all the emails on this topic and to
     be honest
     A  A it
     A  A  A  still
     A  A  A  > >A  A doesn't sit well in my gut.
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > >A  A Presumably the BOD voted in favor of changing
     printers based
     A  A upon
     A  A  A  the
     A  A  A  > >A  A quotes presented. Did they not have all the facts
     and
     A  A  A  > >A  A if not why did they not question further? Did Jack
     have all
     A  A the
     A  A  A  facts
     A  A  A  w
     A  A  A  > >A  A hen he resigned or were his and Mike Haney's
     resignations
     A  A simply
     A  A  A  an
     A  A  A  > >A  A outright stand against changing printer?
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > >A  A Why did Michael push to change printer if he knew
     there was
     A  A only
     A  A  A  > >A  A pennies between it?
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > >A  A Julian
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  ______________________________
     ____________________________________
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > >A  A From: DeTomaso <[16][22]detomaso-bounces at server.
     detomasolist.com>
     A  A on
     A  A  A  behalf of
     A  A  A  > >A  A marshall smith <[17][23]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.
     net>
     A  A  A  > >A  A Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:11 AM
     A  A  A  > >A  A To: [18][24]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
     A  A [19][25]laurieferrari at aol.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > >A  A I find it funny that three months after the Fun
     Rally we are
     A  A now
     A  A  A  > >A  A hearing that Shortt's bid for printing did not
     include
     A  A shipping.
     A  A  A  Shortt
     A  A  A  > >A  A is a lot of things but a mistake like this...?
     A  A  A  > >A  A I was listening in on this meeting also and I know
     what I
     A  A heard.
     A  A  A  > >A  A Apparently, the board convinced 'some' members of
     this
     A  A so-called
     A  A  A  > >A  A discrepancy month's ago. Why wasn't this
     information, if it
     A  A  A  exists,
     A  A  A  > >A  A relayed to ALL of us in a timely manner?
     A  A  A  > >A  A Marshall
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > >A  A --------------------------------------------
     A  A  A  > >A  A On Mon, 8/15/16, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A <[20][26]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
     A  A  A  > >A  A  To: [21][27]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Date: Monday, August 15, 2016, 9:57 AM
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A > >A  A  A  A Dear AJ,
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A I have always respected you and your
     A  A  A  > >A  A  opinions but in this case you are
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A incorrect as far as the resignation of
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Jack DeRyke.A  I was on the Board
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A of Directors' conference call where he was
     A  A  A  > >A  A  asked to stay and he
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A adamantly refused to if the printer
     A  A  A  > >A  A  changed.A  Jack's resignation was
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A specifically because of the change in
     A  A  A  > >A  A  printer!A  You can go research
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A that phone conference call, or the minutes
     A  A  A  > >A  A  of the meeting, as the facts
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A are saved.A  As far as Mike Haney's
     A  A  A  > >A  A  resignation, that was done by his
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Mrs. for their reasons which most likely
     A  A  A  > >A  A  were aligned with their
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A parents.
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Laurie
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A In a message dated 8/13/2016
     A  A  A  > >A  A  9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A [1][22][28]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  writes:
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A The last? I heard (and I may have
     A  A  A  > >A  A  heard wrong), the board was
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A interested
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A in doing a? -real- accounting
     A  A  A  > >A  A  comparison of printing costs, so for
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A me,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A it's a wait and? see kind of
     A  A  A  > >A  A  thing.? I agree, if POCA was missing
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A out on
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A full-color? and paying $8,000 more
     A  A  A  > >A  A  for B/W then something is amiss.?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A However, I? also believe Mr. Shortt
     A  A  A  > >A  A  didn't account for all costs
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A properly.? I? have more faith that
     A  A  A  > >A  A  the present board members will
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A properly investigate? and sort it
     A  A  A  > >A  A  out for everyone.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A I am on-board with electronic
     A  A  A  > >A  A  delivery,? though I do admit it's nice
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A just sit back and read a paper
     A  A  A  > >A  A  copy? too.? It's also easier to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A hand-off
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A to Sam so he can read it? later.?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  How do you really fix that?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A I would think (and I don't? know),
     A  A  A  > >A  A  that the ClubExpress membership
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A database might be able to include
     A  A  A  > >A  A  a? "preference" as part of the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A member's
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A profile or details.? Just as I? can
     A  A  A  > >A  A  set an address and phone number,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A if I
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A could check a box for Electronic?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  delivery or paper copies, or both,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A select whatever I wanted for each?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  item (Profiles versus
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A Newsletter),
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A that might be ideal.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A However,? I'm also familiar with
     A  A  A  > >A  A  quantity discounting.? It very well
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A could be? that it costs the same
     A  A  A  > >A  A  amount to print 500 as it does to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A print
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A 50, or 10? (but I doubt it).? I
     A  A  A  > >A  A  imagine those are considerations the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A board will? look at as well.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie
     A  A  A  > >A  A  has claimed, I have? heard (from
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A more
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A than one person), that Jack and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Mike did not resign? "because POCA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A changed printers;" it was over
     A  A  A  > >A  A  "control" of newsletter? content that
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A in
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A essence fell outside the bounds of
     A  A  A  > >A  A  the by-laws.? For? a guy that
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A appeared
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A to try very hard to get everyone
     A  A  A  > >A  A  else to follow the? by-laws (and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A it's
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A unwritten code of ethics), Mr.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Shortt certainly didn't? feel they
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A applied
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A to him.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A For the record, as I understand it,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  POCA? has changed printers
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A -twice-
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
     A  A  A  > >A  A  related? to the DeRykes) got out
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A of
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A the business.? So the "family
     A  A  A  > >A  A  tie-in"? previously eluded to, was not
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A a
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A factor in the resignations.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A Just my? $1.50? (two cents adjusted
     A  A  A  > >A  A  for inflation)
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A Asa? Jay
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A Asa Jay? Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  USAFR, Retired
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A  A &? Shelley? Mar
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A -----Original Message-----
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A From: detomaso-request
     A  A  A  <[23][29]detomaso-request at server.detomasolist.com>
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A To: detomaso <[24][30]detomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com>
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2016 9:00 am
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue
     A  A  A  > >A  A  20
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [2][25][31]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Wide Web, visit
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A [3][26][32]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
     listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A or, via email, send a message with subject
     A  A  A  > >A  A  or body 'help' to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A detomaso-[4][27][33]request@
     server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A You can reach the person managing the list
     A  A  A  > >A  A  at
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A detomaso-[5][28][34]owner at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A When replying, please edit your Subject
     A  A  A  > >A  A  line so it is more specific
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..."
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Daily Detomaso List Digest
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Today's Topics:
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A 1. Re: Newsletters, cost, paper vs.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  electronic (marshallgsmith)
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A 2. Re: De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay!
     A  A  A  > >A  A  again $250K!! (Michael Cox)
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A 3. Re: Newsletters, cost, paper vs.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  electronic (Stephen)
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  ------------------------------
     -------------------------------------
     A  A  A  > >A  A ---
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Message: 1
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:27:43 -0700
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A From: marshallgsmith
     <[6][29][35]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A To: [7][30][36]P6746 at aol.com,
     [8][31][37]asajay at asajay.com,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [9][32][38]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  paper vs. electronic
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Message-ID:
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  <[10][33][39]sdxpj9k7caacwyvlamgw7uly.1471231663405 at email.
     android.com>
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A I have a couple questions Bob:
     A  A  A  > >> Calling this situation "multiple dues
     A  A  A  > >A  A  levels" seems to be making the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A issue too complex. There are some members
     A  A  A  > >A  A  that are opting to not have
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A printed magazines mailed which should make
     A  A  A  > >A  A  those members eligible for a
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A discount because of the savings.
     A  A  A  > >> What is your estimate of the length
     A  A  A  > >A  A  of time that it would take the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A board to arrange for a vote of the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  membership to change the bylaws to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A allow for this discount?
     A  A  A  > >> Who specifically made that
     A  A  A  > >A  A  apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
     A  A  A  > >> I agree that the editors should have
     A  A  A  > >A  A  the most influence ?on the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A process. ?However, our editors of both
     A  A  A  > >A  A  publications seem to have a hard
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A time reporting to the members about ANY
     A  A  A  > >A  A  issues pertaining to the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A publication's themselves. Might that
     A  A  A  > >A  A  change in the near future or will
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A radio silence be the norm here?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Marshall Smith
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A -------- Original message --------
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
     A  A  A  <[11][34][40]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A To: [12][35][41]asajay at asajay.com,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  [13][36][42]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  paper vs. electronic
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A To use a cliche, we're working on it.?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Most of what has been mentioned is in the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  pipeline.?? However, there
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A are
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A restrictions, particularly with the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  By-Laws as they currently? stand.?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A There
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A are no provisions for multiple dues
     A  A  A  > >A  A  levels,? particularly pertaining to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A how a
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A member elects to have their club?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  publications delivered, etc.? That
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A will
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A take time as any changes or? amendments
     A  A  A  > >A  A  must be approved by the whole
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A membership.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A The consensus seems to be that the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Profiles would? continue as a print
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A publication for all except foreign members
     A  A  A  > >A  A  who elect to? receive it
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A digitally.?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A As far as printing is concerned, it is
     A  A  A  > >A  A  that first copy that is? so
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A expensive, it is the subsequent copies
     A  A  A  > >A  A  that bring down the per unit?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A cost.? So as
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A fewer units are produced and shipped, the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  cost per unit? increases but
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A not
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A proportionately.??
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A An apples to apples comparison was made
     A  A  A  > >A  A  between an online? printer and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A current printer for both printing and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  mailing and the difference? was
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A pennies.? That wasn't pennies per unit but
     A  A  A  > >A  A  for the whole run.?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A As far as I am concerned, it is the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  editors who should have? the most
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A influence as to how and where their
     A  A  A  > >A  A  product is produced.? They are? the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ones who
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A must work with the printers and mailing
     A  A  A  > >A  A  houses on a regular? basis.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Bob Reid?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Eastern Daylight Time,?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [14][37][43]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  writes:
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A The last? I heard (and I may have heard
     A  A  A  > >A  A  wrong), the board was
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A interested
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A in doing a? -real- accounting comparison
     A  A  A  > >A  A  of printing costs, so for me,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A it's a wait and? see kind of thing.? I
     A  A  A  > >A  A  agree, if POCA was missing out
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A on
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A full-color? and paying $8,000 more for B/W
     A  A  A  > >A  A  then something is amiss.?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A However, I? also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
     A  A  A  > >A  A  account for all costs
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A properly.? I? have more faith that the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  present board members will
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A properly investigate? and sort it out for
     A  A  A  > >A  A  everyone.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A I am on-board with electronic delivery,?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  though I do admit it's nice to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A just sit back and read a paper copy? too.?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  It's also easier to hand-off
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A to Sam so he can read it? later.? How do
     A  A  A  > >A  A  you really fix that?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A I would think (and I don't? know), that
     A  A  A  > >A  A  the ClubExpress membership
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A database might be able to include a?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  "preference" as part of the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A member's
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A profile or details.? Just as I? can set an
     A  A  A  > >A  A  address and phone number, if
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A I
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A could check a box for Electronic? delivery
     A  A  A  > >A  A  or paper copies, or both,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A select whatever I wanted for each? item
     A  A  A  > >A  A  (Profiles versus Newsletter),
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A that might be ideal.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A However,? I'm also familiar with quantity
     A  A  A  > >A  A  discounting.? It very well
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A could be? that it costs the same amount to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  print 500 as it does to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A print
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A 50, or 10? (but I doubt it).? I imagine
     A  A  A  > >A  A  those are considerations the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A board will? look at as well.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
     A  A  A  > >A  A  claimed, I have? heard (from
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A more
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A than one person), that Jack and Mike did
     A  A  A  > >A  A  not resign? "because POCA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A changed printers;" it was over "control"
     A  A  A  > >A  A  of newsletter? content that in
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A essence fell outside the bounds of the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  by-laws.? For? a guy that
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A appeared
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A to try very hard to get everyone else to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  follow the? by-laws (and it's
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
     A  A  A  > >A  A  certainly didn't? feel they
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A applied
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A to him.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A For the record, as I understand it, POCA?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  has changed printers -twice-
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
     A  A  A  > >A  A  related? to the DeRykes) got out of
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A the business.? So the "family tie-in"?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  previously eluded to, was not a
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A factor in the resignations.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Just my? $1.50? (two cents adjusted for
     A  A  A  > >A  A  inflation)
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Asa? Jay
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Asa Jay? Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Retired
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A &? Shelley? Marie
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Spokane,? WA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ******************************
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [15][38][44]http://w7tsc.org
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [16][39][45]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ______________________________
     _________________
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Detomaso? Email List is not managed by
     A  A  A  > >A  A  POCA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Megabytes
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A DeTomaso mailing? list
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [17][40][46]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A [18][41][47]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
     listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A To? manage your subscription (change email
     A  A  A  > >A  A  address, unsubscribe, etc.)
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A use
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A the? links above.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Members who post to this list grant
     A  A  A  > >A  A  license to the list to? forward any
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A message posted here to all past, current,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  or future members of the?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A list. They
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A also grant the list owner permission to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  maintain an archive or? approve
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A archiving of list? messages.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ?? To use a cliche, we're working on it.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ?? Most of what has been mentioned is in
     A  A  A  > >A  A  the pipeline.? However, there
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A are
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ?? restrictions, particularly with the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  By-Laws as they currently stand.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ?? There are no provisions for multiple
     A  A  A  > >A  A  dues levels,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ?? particularly pertaining to how a member
     A  A  A  > >A  A  elects to have their club
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ?? publications delivered, etc.? That will
     A  A  A  > >A  A  take time as any changes or
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ?? amendments must be approved by the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  whole membership.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ?? The consensus seems to be that the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Profiles would continue as a
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A print
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ?? publication for all except foreign
     A  A  A  > >A  A  members who elect to receive it
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ?? digitally.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ?? As far as printing is concerned, it is
     A  A  A  > >A  A  that first copy that is so
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ?? expensive, it is the subsequent copies
     A  A  A  > >A  A  that bring down the per unit
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ?? cost.? So as fewer units are produced
     A  A  A  > >A  A  and shipped, the cost per unit
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ?? increases but not proportionately.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ?? An apples to apples comparison was made
     A  A  A  > >A  A  between an online printer
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ?? the current printer for both printing
     A  A  A  > >A  A  and mailing and the difference
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ?? was pennies.? That wasn't pennies per
     A  A  A  > >A  A  unit but for the whole run.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ?? As far as I am concerned, it is the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  editors who should have the most
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ?? influence as to how and where their
     A  A  A  > >A  A  product is produced.? They are
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ?? ones who must work with the printers
     A  A  A  > >A  A  and mailing houses on a regular
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ?? basis.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ?? Bob Reid
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ?? In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24
     A  A  A  > >A  A  P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ?? [19][42][48]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  writes:
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? The last I heard (and I may have
     A  A  A  > >A  A  heard wrong), the board was
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? interested
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? in doing a -real- accounting
     A  A  A  > >A  A  comparison of printing costs, so for
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? me,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? it's a wait and see kind of thing.? I
     A  A  A  > >A  A  agree, if POCA was missing
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A out
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? on
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? full-color and paying $8,000 more for
     A  A  A  > >A  A  B/W then something is amiss.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? However, I also believe Mr. Shortt
     A  A  A  > >A  A  didn't account for all costs
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? properly.? I have more faith that the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  present board members will
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? properly investigate and sort it out
     A  A  A  > >A  A  for everyone.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? I am on-board with electronic
     A  A  A  > >A  A  delivery, though I do admit it's
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A nice
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? just sit back and read a paper copy
     A  A  A  > >A  A  too.? It's also easier to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? hand-off
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? to Sam so he can read it later.? How
     A  A  A  > >A  A  do you really fix that?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? I would think (and I don't know),
     A  A  A  > >A  A  that the ClubExpress membership
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? database might be able to include a
     A  A  A  > >A  A  "preference" as part of the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? member's
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? profile or details.? Just as I can
     A  A  A  > >A  A  set an address and phone
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A number,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? if I
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? could check a box for Electronic
     A  A  A  > >A  A  delivery or paper copies, or
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A both,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? select whatever I wanted for each
     A  A  A  > >A  A  item (Profiles versus
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Newsletter),
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? that might be ideal.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? However, I'm also familiar with
     A  A  A  > >A  A  quantity discounting.? It very
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A well
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? could be that it costs the same
     A  A  A  > >A  A  amount to print 500 as it does to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? print
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? 50, or 10 (but I doubt it).? I
     A  A  A  > >A  A  imagine those are considerations
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? board will look at as well.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie
     A  A  A  > >A  A  has claimed, I have heard (from
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? more
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? than one person), that Jack and Mike
     A  A  A  > >A  A  did not resign "because POCA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? changed printers;" it was over
     A  A  A  > >A  A  "control" of newsletter content
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A that
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? in
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? essence fell outside the bounds of
     A  A  A  > >A  A  the by-laws.? For a guy that
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? appeared
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? to try very hard to get everyone else
     A  A  A  > >A  A  to follow the by-laws (and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? it's
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
     A  A  A  > >A  A  certainly didn't feel they
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? applied
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? to him.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? For the record, as I understand it,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  POCA has changed printers
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? -twice-
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
     A  A  A  > >A  A  related to the DeRykes) got
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A out
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? of
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? the business.? So the "family tie-in"
     A  A  A  > >A  A  previously eluded to, was
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A not
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? a
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? factor in the resignations.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? Just my $1.50? (two cents adjusted
     A  A  A  > >A  A  for inflation)
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? Asa? Jay
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  USAFR, Retired
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? &? Shelley Marie
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? Spokane, WA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? ******************************
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? [20][43][49]http://w7tsc.org
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? [21][44][50]http://www.
     teampanteraracing.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ????
     A  A  A  > >A  A  _______________________________________________
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? Detomaso Email List is not managed by
     A  A  A  > >A  A  POCA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Megabytes
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? DeTomaso mailing list
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? [22][45][51]DeTomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ????
     A  A  A  [23][46][52]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
     listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? To manage your subscription (change
     A  A  A  > >A  A  email address, unsubscribe,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? etc.) use the links above.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? Members who post to this list grant
     A  A  A  > >A  A  license to the list to forward
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? any message posted here to all past,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  current, or future members of
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? the list. They also grant the list
     A  A  A  > >A  A  owner permission to maintain an
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ???? archive or approve the archiving of
     A  A  A  > >A  A  list messages.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ______________________________
     _________________
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Detomaso Email List is not managed by
     A  A  A  > >A  A  POCA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Megabytes
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A DeTomaso mailing list
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [24][47][53]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A [25][48][54]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
     listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A To manage your subscription (change email
     A  A  A  > >A  A  address, unsubscribe, etc.)
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A use the links above.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Members who post to this list grant
     A  A  A  > >A  A  license to the list to forward any
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A message posted here to all past, current,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  or future members of the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A list. They also grant the list owner
     A  A  A  > >A  A  permission to maintain an archive
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A or approve the archiving of list
     A  A  A  > >A  A  messages.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A -------------- next part --------------
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A I have a couple questions Bob:
     A  A  A  > >> Calling this situation "multiple dues
     A  A  A  > >A  A  levels" seems to be making the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A issue too complex. There are some members
     A  A  A  > >A  A  that are opting to not have
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A printed magazines mailed which should make
     A  A  A  > >A  A  those members eligible for a
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A discount because of the savings.
     A  A  A  > >> What is your estimate of the length
     A  A  A  > >A  A  of time that it would take the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A board to arrange for a vote of the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  membership to change the bylaws to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A allow for this discount?
     A  A  A  > >> Who specifically made that
     A  A  A  > >A  A  apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
     A  A  A  > >> I agree that the editors should have
     A  A  A  > >A  A  the most influence on the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A process. However, our editors of both
     A  A  A  > >A  A  publications seem to have a hard
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A time reporting to the members about ANY
     A  A  A  > >A  A  issues pertaining to the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A publication's themselves. Might that
     A  A  A  > >A  A  change in the near future or will
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A radio silence be the norm here?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Marshall Smith
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A -------- Original message --------
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
     A  A  A  <[26][49][55]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A To: [27][50][56]asajay at asajay.com,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  [28][51][57]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  paper vs. electronic
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A To use a cliche, we're working on it.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Most of what has been mentioned is in the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  pipeline. However, there
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A are
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A restrictions, particularly with the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  By-Laws as they currently stand.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A There
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A are no provisions for multiple dues
     A  A  A  > >A  A  levels, particularly pertaining to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A how a
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A member elects to have their club
     A  A  A  > >A  A  publications delivered, etc. That
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A will
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A take time as any changes or amendments
     A  A  A  > >A  A  must be approved by the whole
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A membership.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A The consensus seems to be that the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Profiles would continue as a print
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A publication for all except foreign members
     A  A  A  > >A  A  who elect to receive it
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A digitally.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A As far as printing is concerned, it is
     A  A  A  > >A  A  that first copy that is so
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A expensive, it is the subsequent copies
     A  A  A  > >A  A  that bring down the per unit
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A cost. So as
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A fewer units are produced and shipped, the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  cost per unit increases but
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A not
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A proportionately.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A An apples to apples comparison was made
     A  A  A  > >A  A  between an online printer and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A current printer for both printing and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  mailing and the difference was
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but
     A  A  A  > >A  A  for the whole run.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A As far as I am concerned, it is the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  editors who should have the most
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A influence as to how and where their
     A  A  A  > >A  A  product is produced. They are the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ones who
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A must work with the printers and mailing
     A  A  A  > >A  A  houses on a regular basis.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Bob Reid
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Eastern Daylight Time,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [29][52][58]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  writes:
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A The last I heard (and I may have heard
     A  A  A  > >A  A  wrong), the board was
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A interested
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
     A  A  A  > >A  A  printing costs, so for me,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
     A  A  A  > >A  A  agree, if POCA was missing out
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A on
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
     A  A  A  > >A  A  then something is amiss.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
     A  A  A  > >A  A  account for all costs
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A properly. I have more faith that the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  present board members will
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A properly investigate and sort it out for
     A  A  A  > >A  A  everyone.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A I am on-board with electronic delivery,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  though I do admit it's nice to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A just sit back and read a paper copy too.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  It's also easier to hand-off
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
     A  A  A  > >A  A  really fix that?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A I would think (and I don't know), that the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  ClubExpress membership
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A database might be able to include a
     A  A  A  > >A  A  "preference" as part of the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A member's
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A profile or details. Just as I can set an
     A  A  A  > >A  A  address and phone number, if
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A I
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A could check a box for Electronic delivery
     A  A  A  > >A  A  or paper copies, or both,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A select whatever I wanted for each item
     A  A  A  > >A  A  (Profiles versus Newsletter),
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A that might be ideal.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A However, I'm also familiar with quantity
     A  A  A  > >A  A  discounting. It very well
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A could be that it costs the same amount to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  print 500 as it does to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A print
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
     A  A  A  > >A  A  those are considerations the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A board will look at as well.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
     A  A  A  > >A  A  claimed, I have heard (from
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A more
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A than one person), that Jack and Mike did
     A  A  A  > >A  A  not resign "because POCA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A changed printers;" it was over "control"
     A  A  A  > >A  A  of newsletter content that in
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A essence fell outside the bounds of the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  by-laws. For a guy that
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A appeared
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A to try very hard to get everyone else to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  follow the by-laws (and it's
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
     A  A  A  > >A  A  certainly didn't feel they
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A applied
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A to him.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A For the record, as I understand it, POCA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  has changed printers -twice-
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
     A  A  A  > >A  A  related to the DeRykes) got out of
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A the business. So the "family tie-in"
     A  A  A  > >A  A  previously eluded to, was not a
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A factor in the resignations.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
     A  A  A  > >A  A  inflation)
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Asa Jay
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Retired
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A & Shelley Marie
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Spokane, WA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ******************************
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [30][53][59]http://w7tsc.org
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [31][54][60]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ______________________________
     _________________
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Detomaso Email List is not managed by
     A  A  A  > >A  A  POCA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Megabytes
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A DeTomaso mailing list
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [32][55][61]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A [33][56][62]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
     listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A To manage your subscription (change email
     A  A  A  > >A  A  address, unsubscribe, etc.)
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A use
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A the links above.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Members who post to this list grant
     A  A  A  > >A  A  license to the list to forward any
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A message posted here to all past, current,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  or future members of the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A list. They
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A also grant the list owner permission to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  maintain an archive or approve
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A archiving of list messages.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A To use a cliche, we're working on it.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Most of what has been mentioned is in the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  pipeline. However, there
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A are
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A restrictions, particularly with the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  By-Laws as they currently stand.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A There are no provisions for multiple dues
     A  A  A  > >A  A  levels,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A particularly pertaining to how a member
     A  A  A  > >A  A  elects to have their club
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A publications delivered, etc. That will
     A  A  A  > >A  A  take time as any changes or
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A amendments must be approved by the whole
     A  A  A  > >A  A  membership.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A The consensus seems to be that the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Profiles would continue as a
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A print
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A publication for all except foreign members
     A  A  A  > >A  A  who elect to receive it
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A digitally.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A As far as printing is concerned, it is
     A  A  A  > >A  A  that first copy that is so
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A expensive, it is the subsequent copies
     A  A  A  > >A  A  that bring down the per unit
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A cost. So as fewer units are produced and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  shipped, the cost per unit
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A increases but not proportionately.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A An apples to apples comparison was made
     A  A  A  > >A  A  between an online printer
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A the current printer for both printing and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  mailing and the difference
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit
     A  A  A  > >A  A  but for the whole run.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A As far as I am concerned, it is the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  editors who should have the most
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A influence as to how and where their
     A  A  A  > >A  A  product is produced. They are
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ones who must work with the printers and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  mailing houses on a regular
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A basis.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Bob Reid
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Eastern Daylight Time,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [34][57][63]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  writes:
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A The last I heard (and I may have heard
     A  A  A  > >A  A  wrong), the board was
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A interested
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
     A  A  A  > >A  A  printing costs, so for
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A me,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
     A  A  A  > >A  A  agree, if POCA was missing
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A out
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A on
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
     A  A  A  > >A  A  then something is amiss.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
     A  A  A  > >A  A  account for all costs
     A  A  A > >A  A  A  A properly. I have more faith that the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  present board members will
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A properly investigate and sort it out for
     A  A  A  > >A  A  everyone.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A I am on-board with electronic delivery,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  though I do admit it's
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A nice
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A just sit back and read a paper copy too.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  It's also easier to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A hand-off
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
     A  A  A  > >A  A  really fix that?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A I would think (and I don't know), that the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  ClubExpress membership
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A database might be able to include a
     A  A  A  > >A  A  "preference" as part of the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A member's
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A profile or details. Just as I can set an
     A  A  A  > >A  A  address and phone
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A number,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A if I
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A could check a box for Electronic delivery
     A  A  A  > >A  A  or paper copies, or
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A both,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A select whatever I wanted for each item
     A  A  A  > >A  A  (Profiles versus
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Newsletter),
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A that might be ideal.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A However, I'm also familiar with quantity
     A  A  A  > >A  A  discounting. It very
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A well
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A could be that it costs the same amount to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  print 500 as it does to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A print
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
     A  A  A  > >A  A  those are considerations
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A board will look at as well.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
     A  A  A  > >A  A  claimed, I have heard (from
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A more
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A than one person), that Jack and Mike did
     A  A  A  > >A  A  not resign "because POCA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A changed printers;" it was over "control"
     A  A  A  > >A  A  of newsletter content
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A that
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A in
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A essence fell outside the bounds of the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  by-laws. For a guy that
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A appeared
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A to try very hard to get everyone else to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  follow the by-laws (and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A it's
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
     A  A  A  > >A  A  certainly didn't feel they
     A  A  A > >A  A  A  A applied
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A to him.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A For the record, as I understand it, POCA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  has changed printers
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A -twice-
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
     A  A  A  > >A  A  related to the DeRykes) got
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A out
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A of
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A the business. So the "family tie-in"
     A  A  A  > >A  A  previously eluded to, was
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A not
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A a
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A factor in the resignations.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
     A  A  A  > >A  A  inflation)
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Asa Jay
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Retired
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A & Shelley Marie
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Spokane, WA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ******************************
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [35][58][64]http://w7tsc.org
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [36][59][65]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ______________________________
     _________________
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Detomaso Email List is not managed by
     A  A  A  > >A  A  POCA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Megabytes
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A DeTomaso mailing list
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [37][60][66]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A [38][61][67]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
     listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A To manage your subscription (change email
     A  A  A  > >A  A  address, unsubscribe,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A etc.) use the links above.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Members who post to this list grant
     A  A  A  > >A  A  license to the list to forward
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A any message posted here to all past,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  current, or future members of
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A the list. They also grant the list owner
     A  A  A  > >A  A  permission to maintain an
     A  A  A > >A  A  A  A archive or approve the archiving of list
     A  A  A  > >A  A  messages.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ______________________________
     _________________
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Detomaso Email List is not managed by
     A  A  A  > >A  A  POCA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Megabytes
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A DeTomaso mailing list
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [39][62][68]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A [40][63][69]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
     listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A To manage your subscription (change email
     A  A  A  > >A  A  address, unsubscribe, etc.)
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A use the links above.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Members who post to this list grant
     A  A  A  > >A  A  license to the list to forward any
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A message posted here to all past, current,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  or future members of the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A list. They also grant the list owner
     A  A  A  > >A  A  permission to maintain an archive
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A or approve the archiving of list
     A  A  A  > >A  A  messages.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ------------------------------
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Message: 2
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:56:45 -0700
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A From: Michael Cox
     <[41][64][70]coxmichaelt at gmail.com>
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A To: [42][65][71]detomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera
     A  A  A  > >A  A  GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Message-ID:
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A <CAMPkPf3HQcqg5vLxgjpJP=7z=UBbrVs=[43][66]ynAnbzepC1U9QH+
     A_Q at mail.gmail
     A  A  A  > >A  A .com
     A  A  A  > >>
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
     A  A  A  > >> From: Ed Mendez <[44][67][72]edducati at mac.com>
     A  A  A  > >> Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera
     A  A  A  > >A  A  GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
     A  A  A  > >>
     A  A  A  > >> Hi! I found this on eBay and thought
     A  A  A  > >A  A  you might like it! Check it out
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A now! De Tomaso:
     A  A  A  > >> Other Pantera GTS [45][68][73]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A These guys found that ad too. :^)
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A [46][69][74]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-
     tomaso-panter
     A  A  A  > >A  A a-ha
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A --michael cox
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A -------------- next part --------------
     A  A  A  > >> From: Ed Mendez <[1][47][70][75]edducati at mac.com>
     A  A  A  > >> Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera
     A  A  A  > >A  A  GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
     A  A  A  > >> A
     A  A  A  > >> Hi! I found this on eBay and thought
     A  A  A  > >A  A  you might like it! Check it out
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A now!A De Tomaso:
     A  A  A  > >> Other Pantera GTSA [2][48][71][76]http://r.ebay.com/
     qvHdvC
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A These guys found that ad too. A :^)
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A [3][49][72][77]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-
     stunning-de-tomaso-pan
     A  A  A  > >A  A tera
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A -has
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A -only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A A A --michael cox
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A References
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A 1. [50][73]mailto:[78]edducati at mac.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A 2. [51][74][79]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A 3.
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A [52][75][80]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-
     tomaso-panter
     A  A  A  > >A  A a-ha
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ------------------------------
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Message: 3
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 08:05:15 -0700
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A From: "Stephen"
     <[53][76][81]steve at snclocks.com>
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A To: "'marshallgsmith'"
     A  A <[54][77][82]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A <[55][78][83]P6746 at aol.com>,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  <[56][79][84]asajay at asajay.com>,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A <[57][80][85]detomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com>
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  paper vs. electronic
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Message-ID:
     A  A  A  > >A  A  <[81]004701d1f706$6ead4a50$
     4c07def0$@[86]snclocks.com>
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Having been on Boards before - I'd suggest
     A  A  A  > >A  A  the current Board deserves
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A some time to catch their breath and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  recover from the situation they
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A have recently been through. It is amazing
     A  A  A  > >A  A  how much time something like
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A this takes - and I suspect everyone on the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Board would like to catch up
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A on all the things they have let slide
     A  A  A  > >A  A  while coping with the removal of
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A a president and all the animosity and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  e-mails the whole mess generated.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A It's so easy to ask questions - but takes
     A  A  A  > >A  A  a lot more time to figure out
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A how to do everything asked below. For now,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  let's just let the Board
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A recover and slowly get some of the loose
     A  A  A  > >A  A  ends taken care of.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Stephen Nelson
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A -----Original Message-----
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A From: DeTomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A [[58][82]mailto:[87]detomaso-
     bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
     A  A  A  > >A  A  On
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Behalf Of marshallgsmith
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 8:28 PM
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A To: [59][83][88]P6746 at aol.com;
     [60][84][89]asajay at asajay.com;
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [61][85][90]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  paper vs. electronic
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A I have a couple questions Bob:
     A  A  A  > >> Calling this situation "multiple dues
     A  A  A  > >A  A  levels" seems to be making the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A issue too complex. There are some members
     A  A  A  > >A  A  that are opting to not have
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A printed magazines mailed which should make
     A  A  A  > >A  A  those members eligible for a
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A discount because of the savings.
     A  A  A  > >> What is your estimate of the length
     A  A  A  > >A  A  of time that it would take the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A board to arrange for a vote of the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  membership to change the bylaws to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A allow for this discount?
     A  A  A  > >> Who specifically made that
     A  A  A  > >A  A  apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
     A  A  A  > >> I agree that the editors should have
     A  A  A  > >A  A  the most influence on the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A process. However, our editors of both
     A  A  A  > >A  A  publications seem to have a hard
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A time reporting to the members about ANY
     A  A  A  > >A  A  issues pertaining to the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A publication's themselves. Might that
     A  A  A  > >A  A  change in the near future or will
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A radio silence be the norm here?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Marshall Smith
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A -------- Original message --------
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
     A  A  A  <[62][86][91]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A To: [63][87][92]asajay at asajay.com,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  [64][88][93]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  paper vs. electronic
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A To use a cliche, we're working on it.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Most of what has been mentioned is in the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  pipeline. However, there are
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A restrictions, particularly with the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  By-Laws as they currently stand.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A There are no provisions for multiple dues
     A  A  A  > >A  A  levels, particularly
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A pertaining to how a member elects to have
     A  A  A  > >A  A  their club publications
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A delivered, etc. That will take time as any
     A  A  A  > >A  A  changes or amendments must
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A be approved by the whole membership.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A The consensus seems to be that the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Profiles would continue as a print
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A publication for all except foreign members
     A  A  A  > >A  A  who elect to receive it
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A digitally.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A As far as printing is concerned, it is
     A  A  A  > >A  A  that first copy that is so
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A expensive, it is the subsequent copies
     A  A  A  > >A  A  that bring down the per unit
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A cost. So as fewer units are produced and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  shipped, the cost per unit
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A increases but not proportionately.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A An apples to apples comparison was made
     A  A  A  > >A  A  between an online printer and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A the current printer for both printing and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  mailing and the difference
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit
     A  A  A  > >A  A  but for the whole run.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A As far as I am concerned, it is the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  editors who should have the most
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A influence as to how and where their
     A  A  A  > >A  A  product is produced. They are the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ones who must work with the printers and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  mailing houses on a regular
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A basis.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Bob Reid
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Eastern Daylight Time,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [65][89][94]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  writes:
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A The last I heard (and I may have heard
     A  A  A  > >A  A  wrong), the board was interested
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
     A  A  A  > >A  A  printing costs, so for me,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
     A  A  A  > >A  A  agree, if POCA was missing out on
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
     A  A  A  > >A  A  then something is amiss.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
     A  A  A  > >A  A  account for all costs
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A properly. I have more faith that the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  present board members will
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A properly investigate and sort it out for
     A  A  A  > >A  A  everyone.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A I am on-board with electronic delivery,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  though I do admit it's nice to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A just sit back and read a paper copy too.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  It's also easier to hand-off
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
     A  A  A  > >A  A  really fix that?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A I would think (and I don't know), that the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  ClubExpress membership
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A database might be able to include a
     A  A  A  > >A  A  "preference" as part of the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A member's profile or details. Just as I can
     A  A  A  > >A  A  set an address and phone
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A number, if I could check a box for
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Electronic delivery or paper copies,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A or both, and select whatever I wanted for
     A  A  A  > >A  A  each item (Profiles versus
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Newsletter), that might be ideal.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A However, I'm also familiar with quantity
     A  A  A  > >A  A  discounting. It very well
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A could be that it costs the same amount to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  print 500 as it does to print
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
     A  A  A  > >A  A  those are considerations the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A board will look at as well.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
     A  A  A  > >A  A  claimed, I have heard (from more
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A than one person), that Jack and Mike did
     A  A  A  > >A  A  not resign "because POCA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A changed printers;" it was over "control"
     A  A  A  > >A  A  of newsletter content that in
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A essence fell outside the bounds of the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  by-laws. For a guy that appeared
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A to try very hard to get everyone else to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  follow the by-laws (and it's
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
     A  A  A  > >A  A  certainly didn't feel they
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A applied to him.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A For the record, as I understand it, POCA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  has changed printers -twice-
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
     A  A  A  > >A  A  related to the DeRykes) got out of
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A the business. So the "family tie-in"
     A  A  A  > >A  A  previously eluded to, was not a
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A factor in the resignations.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
     A  A  A  > >A  A  inflation) Asa Jay
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A WA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ******************************
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [66][95]http://w7tsc.org
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [67][96]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ______________________________
     _________________
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Posted emails must not
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing
     A  A  A  > >A  A  list
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [68][97]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A [69][98]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
     listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A To manage your subscription (change email
     A  A  A  > >A  A  address, unsubscribe, etc.)
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A use the links above.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Members who post to this list grant
     A  A  A  > >A  A  license to the list to forward any
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A message posted here to all past, current,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  or future members of the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A list. They also grant the list owner
     A  A  A  > >A  A  permission to maintain an archive
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A or approve the archiving of list
     A  A  A  > >A  A  messages.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A To use a cliche, we're working on it.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Most of what has been mentioned is in the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  pipeline. However, there are
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A restrictions, particularly with the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  By-Laws as they currently stand.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A There are no provisions for multiple dues
     A  A  A  > >A  A  levels,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A particularly pertaining to how a member
     A  A  A  > >A  A  elects to have their club
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A publications delivered, etc. That will
     A  A  A  > >A  A  take time as any changes or
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A amendments must be approved by the whole
     A  A  A  > >A  A  membership.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A The consensus seems to be that the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Profiles would continue as a print
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A publication for all except foreign members
     A  A  A  > >A  A  who elect to receive it
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A digitally.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A As far as printing is concerned, it is
     A  A  A  > >A  A  that first copy that is so
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A expensive, it is the subsequent copies
     A  A  A  > >A  A  that bring down the per unit
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A cost. So as fewer units are produced and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  shipped, the cost per unit
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A increases but not proportionately.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A An apples to apples comparison was made
     A  A  A  > >A  A  between an online printer and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A the current printer for both printing and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  mailing and the difference
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit
     A  A  A  > >A  A  but for the whole run.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A As far as I am concerned, it is the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  editors who should have the most
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A influence as to how and where their
     A  A  A  > >A  A  product is produced. They are the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ones who must work with the printers and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  mailing houses on a regular
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A basis.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Bob Reid
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Eastern Daylight Time,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [70][99]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  writes:
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A The last I heard (and I may have heard
     A  A  A  > >A  A  wrong), the board was
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A interested
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
     A  A  A  > >A  A  printing costs, so for
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A me,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
     A  A  A  > >A  A  agree, if POCA was missing out
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A on
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
     A  A  A  > >A  A  then something is amiss.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
     A  A  A  > >A  A  account for all costs
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A properly. I have more faith that the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  present board members will
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A properly investigate and sort it out for
     A  A  A  > >A  A  everyone.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A I am on-board with electronic delivery,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  though I do admit it's nice
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A just sit back and read a paper copy too.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  It's also easier to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A hand-off
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
     A  A  A  > >A  A  really fix that?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A I would think (and I don't know), that the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  ClubExpress membership
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A database might be able to include a
     A  A  A  > >A  A  "preference" as part of the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A member's
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A profile or details. Just as I can set an
     A  A  A  > >A  A  address and phone number,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A if I
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A could check a box for Electronic delivery
     A  A  A  > >A  A  or paper copies, or both,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A select whatever I wanted for each item
     A  A  A  > >A  A  (Profiles versus Newsletter),
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A that might be ideal.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A However, I'm also familiar with quantity
     A  A  A  > >A  A  discounting. It very well
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A could be that it costs the same amount to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  print 500 as it does to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A print
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
     A  A  A  > >A  A  those are considerations the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A board will look at as well.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
     A  A  A  > >A  A  claimed, I have heard (from
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A more
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A than one person), that Jack and Mike did
     A  A  A  > >A  A  not resign "because POCA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A changed printers;" it was over "control"
     A  A  A  > >A  A  of newsletter content that
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A in
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A essence fell outside the bounds of the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  by-laws. For a guy that
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A appeared
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A to try very hard to get everyone else to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  follow the by-laws (and
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A it's
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
     A  A  A  > >A  A  certainly didn't feel they
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A applied
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A to him.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A For the record, as I understand it, POCA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  has changed printers
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A -twice-
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
     A  A  A  > >A  A  related to the DeRykes) got out
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A of
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A the business. So the "family tie-in"
     A  A  A  > >A  A  previously eluded to, was not
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A a
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A factor in the resignations.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
     A  A  A  > >A  A  inflation)
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Asa Jay
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Retired
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A & Shelley Marie
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Spokane, WA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ******************************
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [71][100]http://w7tsc.org
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [72][101]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ______________________________
     _________________
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Detomaso Email List is not managed by
     A  A  A  > >A  A  POCA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Megabytes
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A DeTomaso mailing list
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [73][102]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A [74][103]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
     listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A To manage your subscription (change email
     A  A  A  > >A  A  address, unsubscribe,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A etc.) use the links above.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Members who post to this list grant
     A  A  A  > >A  A  license to the list to forward
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A any message posted here to all past,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  current, or future members of
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A the list. They also grant the list owner
     A  A  A  > >A  A  permission to maintain an
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A archive or approve the archiving of list
     A  A  A  > >A  A  messages.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ______________________________
     _________________
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Posted emails must not
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing
     A  A  A  > >A  A  list
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [75][104]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A [76][105]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
     listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A To manage your subscription (change email
     A  A  A  > >A  A  address, unsubscribe, etc.)
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A use the links above.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Members who post to this list grant
     A  A  A  > >A  A  license to the list to forward any
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A message posted here to all past, current,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  or future members of the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A list. They also grant the list owner
     A  A  A  > >A  A  permission to maintain an archive
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A or approve the archiving of list
     A  A  A  > >A  A  messages.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ------------------------------
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Subject: Digest Footer
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ______________________________
     _________________
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Megabytes
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A DeTomaso mailing list
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A [77][106]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A [78][107]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
     listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A Members who post to this list grant
     A  A  A  > >A  A  license to the list to forward any
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A message posted here to all past, current,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  or future members of the
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A list. They also grant the list owner
     A  A  A  > >A  A  permission to maintain an archive
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A or approve the archiving of list
     A  A  A  > >A  A  messages.
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A ------------------------------
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A End of DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 20
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A *****************************************
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > >A  A  References
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A 1. [1]mailto:[108]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A 2. [2]mailto:[109]detomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A 3.
     A  A  A  [3][110]http://server.detomasolist.
     com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A 4. [4]mailto:[111]request at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A 5. [5]mailto:[112]owner at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A 6. [6]mailto:[113]marshallgsmith@
     sbcglobal.net
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A 7. [7]mailto:[114]P6746 at aol.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A 8. [8]mailto:[115]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  A 9. [9]mailto:[116]detomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  10.
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  [10]mailto:[117]sdxpj9k7caacwyvlamg
     w7uly.1471231663405 at email.android.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  11. [11]mailto:[118]detomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  12. [12]mailto:[119]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  13. [13]mailto:[120]detomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  14. [14]mailto:[121]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  15. [15][122]http://w7tsc.org/
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  16. [16][123]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  17. [17]mailto:[124]DeTomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  18.
     A  A  A  [18][125]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
     listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  19. [19]mailto:[126]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  20. [20][127]http://w7tsc.org/
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  21. [21][128]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  22. [22]mailto:[129]DeTomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  23.
     A  A  A  [23][130]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
     listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  24. [24]mailto:[131]DeTomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  25.
     A  A  A  [25][132]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
     listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  26. [26]mailto:[133]detomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  27. [27]mailto:[134]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  28. [28]mailto:[135]detomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  29. [29]mailto:[136]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  30. [30][137]http://w7tsc.org/
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  31. [31][138]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  32. [32]mailto:[139]DeTomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  33.
     A  A  A  [33][140]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
     listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  34. [34]mailto:[141]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  35. [35][142]http://w7tsc.org/
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  36. [36][143]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  37. [37]mailto:[144]DeTomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  38.
     A  A  A  [38][145]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
     listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  39. [39]mailto:[146]DeTomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  40.
     A  A  A  [40][147]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
     listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  41. [41]mailto:[148]coxmichaelt at gmail.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  42. [42]mailto:[149]detomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  43. [43]mailto:[150]ynAnbzepC1U9QH+A_Q@
     mail.gmail.com
     A  A <mailto:[151]ynAnbzepC1U9QH%2BA_Q at mail.gmail.com>
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  44. [44]mailto:[152]edducati at mac.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  45. [45][153]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  46.
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A [46][154]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-
     tomaso-pantera-ha
     A  A  A  > >A  A s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  47. [47]mailto:[155]edducati at mac.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  48. [48][156]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  49.
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A [49][157]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-
     tomaso-pantera-ha
     A  A  A  > >A  A s
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  50. [50]mailto:[158]edducati at mac.com?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  51. [51][159]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  52.
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A [52][160]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-
     tomaso-pantera-ha
     A  A  A  > >A  A s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  53. [53]mailto:[161]steve at snclocks.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  54. [54]mailto:[162]marshallgsmith@
     sbcglobal.net
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  55. [55]mailto:[163]P6746 at aol.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  56. [56]mailto:[164]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  57. [57]mailto:[165]detomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  58. [58]mailto:[166]detomaso-bounces@
     server.detomasolist.com?
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  59. [59]mailto:[167]P6746 at aol.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  60. [60]mailto:[168]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  61. [61]mailto:[169]detomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  62. [62]mailto:[170]detomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  63. [63]mailto:[171]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  64. [64]mailto:[172]detomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  65. [65]mailto:[173]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  66. [66][174]http://w7tsc.org/
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  67. [67][175]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  68. [68]mailto:[176]DeTomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  69.
     A  A  A  [69][177]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
     listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  70. [70]mailto:[178]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  71. [71][179]http://w7tsc.org/
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  72. [72][180]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  73. [73]mailto:[181]DeTomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  74.
     A  A  A  [74][182]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
     listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  75. [75]mailto:[183]DeTomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  76.
     A  A  A  [76][184]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
     listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  77. [77]mailto:[185]DeTomaso at server.
     detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  A  78.
     A  A  A  [78][186]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
     listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > >A  A  -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > >A  A  _______________________________________________
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
     A  A  A  > >A  A  DeTomaso mailing list
     A  A  A  > >A  A  [187]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A  [79][188]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
     listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > >A  A  To manage your subscription (change email address,
     A  A  A  > >A  A  unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > >A  A  Members who post to this list grant license to the
     list to
     A  A  A  > >A  A  forward any message posted here to all past,
     current, or
     A  A  A  > >A  A  future members of the list. They also grant the
     list owner
     A  A  A  > >A  A  permission to maintain an archive or approve the
     archiving
     A  A  A  > >A  A  of list messages.
     A  A  A  > >A  A _______________________________________________
     A  A  A  > >A  A Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
     A  A  A  > >A  A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
     A  A  A  > >A  A DeTomaso mailing list
     A  A  A  > >A  A [189]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A [80][190]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/
     listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A To manage your subscription (change email address,
     A  A unsubscribe,
     A  A  A  etc.)
     A  A  A  > >A  A use the links above.
     A  A  A  > >A  A Members who post to this list grant license to the
     list to
     A  A  A  forward any
     A  A  A  > >A  A message posted here to all past, current, or future
     members of
     A  A  A  the
     A  A  A  > >A  A list. They also grant the list owner permission to
     maintain an
     A  A  A  archive
     A  A  A  > >A  A or approve the archiving of list messages.
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > > References
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > >A  A 1. mailto:[191]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A 2. mailto:[192]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A 3. [193]http://server.detomasolist.
     com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  A 4. mailto:[194]request at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A 5. mailto:[195]owner at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A 6. mailto:[196]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
     A  A  A  > >A  A 7. mailto:[197]P6746 at aol.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A 8. mailto:[198]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  A 9. mailto:[199]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  10.
     A  A  A  mailto:[200]sdxpj9k7caacwyvlamgw7ul
     y.1471231663405 at email.android.com
     A  A  A  > >A  11. mailto:[201]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  12. mailto:[202]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  13. mailto:[203]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  14. mailto:[204]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  15. [205]http://w7tsc.org/
     A  A  A  > >A  16. [206]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
     A  A  A  > >A  17. mailto:[207]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  18. [208]http://server.detomasolist.
     com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  19. mailto:[209]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  20. [210]http://w7tsc.org/
     A  A  A  > >A  21. [211]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
     A  A  A  > >A  22. mailto:[212]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  23. [213]http://server.detomasolist.
     com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  24. mailto:[214]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  25. [215]http://server.detomasolist.
     com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  26. mailto:[216]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  27. mailto:[217]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A > >A  28. mailto:[218]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  29. mailto:[219]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  30. [220]http://w7tsc.org/
     A  A  A  > >A  31. [221]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
     A  A  A  > >A  32. mailto:[222]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  33. [223]http://server.detomasolist.
     com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  34. mailto:[224]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  35. [225]http://w7tsc.org/
     A  A  A  > >A  36. [226]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
     A  A  A  > >A  37. mailto:[227]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  38. [228]http://server.detomasolist.
     com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  39. mailto:[229]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  40. [230]http://server.detomasolist.
     com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  41. mailto:[231]coxmichaelt at gmail.com
     A  A  A  > >A  42. mailto:[232]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  43. mailto:[233]ynAnbzepC1U9QH+A_Q at mail.gmail.com
     A  A <mailto:[234]ynAnbzepC1U9QH%2BA_Q at mail.gmail.com>
     A  A  A  > >A  44. mailto:[235]edducati at mac.com
     A  A  A  > >A  45. [236]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
     A  A  A  > >A  46.
     A  A [237]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-
     pantera-has-on
     A  A  A  ly-78
     A  A  A  5-miles-to-its-name/109069/
     A  A  A  > >A  47. mailto:[238]edducati at mac.com
     A  A  A  > >A  48. [239]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
     A  A  A  > >A  49.
     A  A  A  [240]http://news.boldride.com/2016/
     08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-has
     A  A  A  > >A  50. mailto:[241]edducati at mac.com?
     A  A  A  > >A  51. [242]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
     A  A  A  > >A  52.
     A  A [243]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-
     pantera-has-on
     A  A  A  ly-78
     A  A  A  5-miles-to-its-name/109069/
     A  A  A  > >A  53. mailto:[244]steve at snclocks.com
     A  A  A  > >A  54. mailto:[245]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
     A  A  A  > >A  55. mailto:[246]P6746 at aol.com
     A  A  A  > >A  56. mailto:[247]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  57. mailto:[248]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  58. mailto:[249]detomaso-bounces@
     server.detomasolist.com?
     A  A  A  > >A  59. mailto:[250]P6746 at aol.com
     A  A  A  > >A  60. mailto:[251]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  61. mailto:[252]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  62. mailto:[253]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  63. mailto:[254]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  64. mailto:[255]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  65. mailto:[256]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  66. [257]http://w7tsc.org/
     A  A  A  > >A  67. [258]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
     A  A  A  > >A  68. mailto:[259]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  69. [260]http://server.detomasolist.
     com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  70. mailto:[261]asajay at asajay.com
     A  A  A  > >A  71. [262]http://w7tsc.org/
     A  A  A  > >A  72. [263]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
     A  A  A  > >A  73. mailto:[264]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  74. [265]http://server.detomasolist.
     com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  75. mailto:[266]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  76. [267]http://server.detomasolist.
     com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  77. mailto:[268]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > >A  78. [269]http://server.detomasolist.
     com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  79. [270]http://server.detomasolist.
     com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >A  80. [271]http://server.detomasolist.
     com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > > _______________________________________________
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
     A  A  A  > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
     A  A  A  > > DeTomaso mailing list
     A  A  A  > > [272]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > > [273]http://server.detomasolist.
     com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > > To manage your subscription (change email address,
     unsubscribe,
     A  A  A  etc.)
     A  A  A  use the links above.
     A  A  A  > >
     A  A  A  > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list
     to
     A  A forward
     A  A  A  any
     A  A  A  message posted here to all past, current, or future members
     of the
     A  A  A  list.
     A  A  A  They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
     archive or
     A  A  A  approve
     A  A  A  the archiving of list messages.
     A  A  A  >
     A  A  A  > _______________________________________________
     A  A  A  >
     A  A  A  >
     A  A  A  > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
     A  A  A  > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
     A  A  A  > DeTomaso mailing list
     A  A  A  > [274]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  > [275]http://server.detomasolist.
     com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  >
     A  A  A  > To manage your subscription (change email address,
     unsubscribe,
     A  A etc.)
     A  A  A  use
     A  A  A  the links above.
     A  A  A  >
     A  A  A  > Members who post to this list grant license to the list
     to forward
     A  A  A  any
     A  A  A  message posted here to all past, current, or future members
     of the
     A  A  A  list.
     A  A  A  They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
     archive or
     A  A  A  approve
     A  A  A  the archiving of list messages.
     A  A  A  _______________________________________________
     A  A  A  Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
     A  A  A  Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
     A  A  A  DeTomaso mailing list
     A  A  A  [276]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  [277]http://server.detomasolist.
     com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  A  A  To manage your subscription (change email address,
     unsubscribe,
     A  A etc.)
     A  A  A  use the links above.
     A  A  A  Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
     forward
     A  A any
     A  A  A  message posted here to all past, current, or future members
     of the
     A  A  A  list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain
     an
     A  A archive
     A  A  A  or approve the archiving of list messages.
     A  A _______________________________________________
     A  A Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
     A  A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
     A  A DeTomaso mailing list
     A  A [278]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A [279]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  A To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
     etc.)
     A  A use the links above.
     A  A Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
     forward any
     A  A message posted here to all past, current, or future members of
     the
     A  A list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
     archive
     A  A or approve the archiving of list messages.
     References
     A  A 1. mailto:[280]charlesmccall at gmail.com
     A  A 2. mailto:[281]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
     A  A 3. mailto:[282]paso750 at gmail.com
     A  A 4. mailto:[283]jpoca2 at hotmail.com
     A  A 5. mailto:[284]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
     A  A 6. mailto:[285]julian_kift at hotmail.com
     A  A 7. mailto:[286]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A 8. mailto:[287]laurieferrari at aol.com
     A  A 9. mailto:[288]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
     A  10. mailto:[289]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  11. mailto:[290]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
     A  12. mailto:[291]julian_kift at hotmail.com
     A  13. mailto:[292]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  14. mailto:[293]laurieferrari at aol.com
     A  15. mailto:[294]julian_kift at hotmail.com
     A  16. mailto:[295]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
     A  17. mailto:[296]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
     A  18. mailto:[297]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  19. mailto:[298]laurieferrari at aol.com
     A  20. mailto:[299]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  21. mailto:[300]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  22. mailto:[301]asajay at asajay.com
     A  23. mailto:[302]detomaso-request at server.detomasolist.com
     A  24. mailto:[303]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  25. mailto:[304]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  26. [305]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  27. mailto:[306]request at server.detomasolist.com
     A  28. mailto:[307]owner at server.detomasolist.com
     A  29. mailto:[308]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
     A  30. mailto:[309]P6746 at aol.com
     A  31. mailto:[310]asajay at asajay.com
     A  32. mailto:[311]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  33. mailto:[312]sdxpj9k7caacwyvlamgw7ul
     y.1471231663405 at email.android.com
     A  34. mailto:[313]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  35. mailto:[314]asajay at asajay.com
     A  36. mailto:[315]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  37. mailto:[316]asajay at asajay.com
     A  38. [317]http://w7tsc.org/
     A  39. [318]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
     A  40. mailto:[319]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  41. [320]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  42. mailto:[321]asajay at asajay.com
     A  43. [322]http://w7tsc.org/
     A  44. [323]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
     A  45. mailto:[324]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  46. [325]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  47. mailto:[326]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  48. [327]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  49. mailto:[328]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  50. mailto:[329]asajay at asajay.com
     A  51. mailto:[330]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  52. mailto:[331]asajay at asajay.com
     A  53. [332]http://w7tsc.org/
     A  54. [333]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
     A  55. mailto:[334]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  56. [335]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  57. mailto:[336]asajay at asajay.com
     A  58. [337]http://w7tsc.org/
     A  59. [338]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
     A  60. mailto:[339]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  61. [340]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  62. mailto:[341]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  63. [342]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     A  64. mailto:[343]coxmichaelt at gmail.com
     A  65. mailto:[344]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  66. mailto:[345]ynAnbzepC1U9QH+A_Q at mail.gmail
     A  67. mailto:[346]edducati at mac.com
     A  68. [347]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
     A  69. [348]http://news.boldride.com/2016/
     08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
     A  70. mailto:[349]edducati at mac.com
     A  71. [350]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
     A  72. [351]http://news.boldride.com/2016/
     08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pan
     A  73. mailto:[352]edducati at mac.com
     A  74. [353]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
     A  75. [354]http://news.boldride.com/2016/
     08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
     A  76. mailto:[355]steve at snclocks.com
     A  77. mailto:[356]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
     A  78. mailto:[357]P6746 at aol.com
     A  79. mailto:[358]asajay at asajay.com
     A  80. mailto:[359]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  81. mailto:[360]004701d1f706$6ead4a50$4c07def0$@[361]snclocks.com
     A  82. mailto:[362]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
     A  83. mailto:[363]P6746 at aol.com
     A  84. mailto:[364]asajay at asajay.com
     A  85. mailto:[365]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  86. mailto:[366]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  87. mailto:[367]asajay at asajay.com
     A  88. mailto:[368]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  89. mailto:[369]asajay at asajay.com
     _______________________________________________
     Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
     Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
     DeTomaso mailing list
     [370]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     [371]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
     etc.) use the links above.
     Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
     any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of
     the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
     archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

References

   1. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
   2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
   3. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
   4. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
   5. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   6. mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com
   7. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
   8. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
   9. mailto:paso750 at gmail.com
  10. mailto:jpoca2 at hotmail.com
  11. mailto:erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
  12. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  13. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  14. mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com
  15. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
  16. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  17. mailto:erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
  18. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  19. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  20. mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com
  21. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  22. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
  23. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
  24. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  25. mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com
  26. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  27. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  28. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
  29. mailto:detomaso-request at server.detomasolist.com
  30. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  31. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  32. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  33. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
  34. mailto:owner at server.detomasolist.com
  35. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
  36. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
  37. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
  38. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  39. mailto:sdxpj9k7caacwyvlamgw7uly.1471231663405 at email.android.com
  40. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  41. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
  42. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  43. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
  44. http://w7tsc.org/
  45. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
  46. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  47. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  48. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
  49. http://w7tsc.org/
  50. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
  51. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  52. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  53. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  54. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  55. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  56. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
  57. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  58. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
  59. http://w7tsc.org/
  60. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
  61. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  62. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  63. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
  64. http://w7tsc.org/
  65. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
  66. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  67. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  68. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  69. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  70. mailto:coxmichaelt at gmail.com
  71. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  72. mailto:edducati at mac.com
  73. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
  74. http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
  75. mailto:edducati at mac.com
  76. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
  77. http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pan
  78. mailto:edducati at mac.com
  79. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
  80. http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
  81. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
  82. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
  83. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
  84. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
  85. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  86. http://snclocks.com/
  87. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
  88. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
  89. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
  90. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  91. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  92. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
  93. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  94. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
  95. http://w7tsc.org/
  96. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
  97. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  98. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  99. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 100. http://w7tsc.org/
 101. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
 102. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 103. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 104. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 105. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 106. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 107. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 108. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 109. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 110. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 111. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
 112. mailto:owner at server.detomasolist.com
 113. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
 114. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
 115. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 116. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 117. mailto:sdxpj9k7caacwyvlamgw7uly.1471231663405 at email.android.com
 118. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 119. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 120. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 121. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 122. http://w7tsc.org/
 123. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
 124. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 125. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 126. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 127. http://w7tsc.org/
 128. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
 129. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 130. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 131. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 132. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 133. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 134. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 135. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 136. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 137. http://w7tsc.org/
 138. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
 139. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 140. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 141. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 142. http://w7tsc.org/
 143. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
 144. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 145. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 146. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 147. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 148. mailto:coxmichaelt at gmail.com
 149. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 150. mailto:ynAnbzepC1U9QH%2BA_Q at mail.gmail.com
 151. mailto:ynAnbzepC1U9QH%252BA_Q at mail.gmail.com
 152. mailto:edducati at mac.com
 153. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
 154. http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-ha
 155. mailto:edducati at mac.com
 156. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
 157. http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-ha
 158. mailto:edducati at mac.com
 159. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
 160. http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-ha
 161. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
 162. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
 163. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
 164. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 165. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 166. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
 167. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
 168. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 169. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 170. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 171. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 172. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 173. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 174. http://w7tsc.org/
 175. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
 176. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 177. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 178. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 179. http://w7tsc.org/
 180. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
 181. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 182. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 183. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 184. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 185. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 186. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 187. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 188. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 189. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 190. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 191. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 192. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 193. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 194. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
 195. mailto:owner at server.detomasolist.com
 196. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
 197. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
 198. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 199. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 200. mailto:sdxpj9k7caacwyvlamgw7uly.1471231663405 at email.android.com
 201. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 202. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 203. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 204. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 205. http://w7tsc.org/
 206. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
 207. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 208. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 209. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 210. http://w7tsc.org/
 211. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
 212. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 213. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 214. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 215. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 216. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 217. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 218. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 219. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 220. http://w7tsc.org/
 221. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
 222. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 223. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 224. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 225. http://w7tsc.org/
 226. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
 227. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 228. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 229. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 230. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 231. mailto:coxmichaelt at gmail.com
 232. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 233. mailto:ynAnbzepC1U9QH%2BA_Q at mail.gmail.com
 234. mailto:ynAnbzepC1U9QH%252BA_Q at mail.gmail.com
 235. mailto:edducati at mac.com
 236. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
 237. http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-has-on
 238. mailto:edducati at mac.com
 239. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
 240. http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-has
 241. mailto:edducati at mac.com
 242. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
 243. http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-has-on
 244. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
 245. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
 246. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
 247. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 248. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 249. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
 250. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
 251. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 252. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 253. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 254. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 255. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 256. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 257. http://w7tsc.org/
 258. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
 259. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 260. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 261. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 262. http://w7tsc.org/
 263. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
 264. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 265. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 266. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 267. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 268. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 269. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 270. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 271. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 272. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 273. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 274. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 275. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 276. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 277. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 278. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 279. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 280. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
 281. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
 282. mailto:paso750 at gmail.com
 283. mailto:jpoca2 at hotmail.com
 284. mailto:erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
 285. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
 286. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 287. mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com
 288. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
 289. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 290. mailto:erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
 291. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
 292. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 293. mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com
 294. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
 295. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
 296. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
 297. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 298. mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com
 299. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 300. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 301. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 302. mailto:detomaso-request at server.detomasolist.com
 303. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 304. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 305. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 306. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
 307. mailto:owner at server.detomasolist.com
 308. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
 309. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
 310. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 311. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 312. mailto:sdxpj9k7caacwyvlamgw7uly.1471231663405 at email.android.com
 313. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 314. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 315. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 316. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 317. http://w7tsc.org/
 318. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
 319. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 320. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 321. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 322. http://w7tsc.org/
 323. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
 324. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 325. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 326. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 327. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 328. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 329. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 330. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 331. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 332. http://w7tsc.org/
 333. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
 334. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 335. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 336. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 337. http://w7tsc.org/
 338. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
 339. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 340. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 341. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 342. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
 343. mailto:coxmichaelt at gmail.com
 344. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 345. mailto:ynAnbzepC1U9QH%2BA_Q at mail.gmail
 346. mailto:edducati at mac.com
 347. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
 348. http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
 349. mailto:edducati at mac.com
 350. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
 351. http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pan
 352. mailto:edducati at mac.com
 353. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
 354. http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
 355. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
 356. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
 357. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
 358. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 359. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 360. mailto:004701d1f706
 361. http://snclocks.com/
 362. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
 363. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
 364. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 365. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 366. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 367. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 368. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 369. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
 370. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 371. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso


More information about the DeTomaso mailing list