[DeTomaso] resignations THE END
Effie Richards
erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
Tue Aug 16 17:24:12 EDT 2016
Now, here is one spokesman I like and respect!
Thank you Larry Stock but you and Judy (separately) just told me this, in a
way that it was clear, that in fact there was never an $8,000 savings shown
to Jack and to the board, maybe it was just imaginary, but no one saw it,
ever! MS never produced it, correct? I don't recall seeing this statement
so clearly provided and knowing you well, I am ready to say, okay, I'm
satisfied, alleluia!... The birds are singing.
Personally, I don't have another issue, just that.
Thank you for your explanation, Larry Stock, you are the man!!....
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Stock [mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:30 PM
To: Effie Richards
Cc: detomaso
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations THE END
Jack DeRyke has been trying so desperately to explain that the MS
quotations, had never been actually revealed in any written form, were in
error since they never included the all the fullment costs of sorting and
attaching the mailing labels. Apparently no one wanted to listen to Jack
about this so he went out himself and got the formal quotes to which he
presented in the attachment that Charlie produced for you this morning and
made a formal presentation to the BOD at the time and was shot down along
then party support lines and resigned in frustration.
The other argument points have been that the monthly newsletter is mostly
just text anyway, so what color do you want the text in? Jack could and
has done the front and back cover in color before, but that is about it
for color in the monthly news letter. The other MS small print item I
noticed was that To do a full color format is a 16 page minimum print web
section so the monthly newsletter would need to be expanded to 16 pages
wether we had the content or not, and that could lead to added mailing
costs. I didn¹t hear anyone discuss that added cost point either. The
Profiles is pretty much already in color, so what¹s the difference.
Can we just drop it for now and go back to going forward?
I just want to add, that With Judy being 2 weeks in the hospital, and now
another week and counting in a respiratory rehab center for who knows how
much longer, Jack has lost his mind once again volunteered to do what he
loves to do and write DeTomaso Tech articles. He is doing it ALL at home
and still wants to put out this newsletter for us all alone.
Get well quickly Judy, and Thank You Jack for all you do and try to do for
Judy, everyone else and the POCA Club.
Larry Stock
On 8/16/16, 12:32 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Effie Richards"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com> wrote:
> Stephen,
>
> As I just responded to a private message from Judy Mc, I don't wish to
> call anyone (printers) myself - I feel that is the POCA board's job,
> when they have the time, to reach out and explain the printer matter
> and why, if there was never an $8K savings, why was that NEVER
> communicated to the members way back, why keep it a private secret and
> make the board look suspicious for "not cooperating in saving the club
> $8K"....
>
> This is a simple and common sense question, I have and many have.
>
> The answer is somewhere, but that answer is not " we just didn't want
> to cause drama"... because drama was caused.
>
>
> Also, Stephen, I am not starting a "witch hunt" (that's insulting and
> not democratic) - I am asking a simple question, to which there is a
> true answer. It appears you have all the answers, which is great, but
> I don't.
>
>
> I didn't get your "So, when exactly, did we stop beating our
> spouses???" comment below. Is it related to the rest of your message?
> I couldn't make the connection, but then, English is my second
> language, please explain.
>
> E
>
>
> From: Stephen [mailto:steve at snclocks.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 11:29 AM
> To: 'Effie Richards'; 'Charles McCall'; 'marshallgsmith'
> Cc: 'detomaso'; 'laurie Basile'
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
>
> So, when, exactly, did we stop beating our spouses???
>
>
>
> Effie - gads - you have the names of the printers! Call them - short
> of that I can assure you any good photographer can modify a document so
> you will not be able to know what is real and what is not.
>
>
> Let's stop the witch hunt - look at the folks who stood up to the
> shortt. Think about how long they have been a part of POCA. Are they
> out for personal gain in standing up to a person who made way too many
> folks want to quit?
>
>
> If you or others wish to continue the witch hunt - please start a new
> thread, with the initials MS in front of the subject. That way I can
> route all e-mails associated with the thread to my trash bin.
>
>
> I'm going to go back to working on 5332 and hope this whole nightmare
> will just go away.
>
>
> Stephen Nelson
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf Of Effie Richards
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 10:30 AM
> To: 'Charles McCall' <[2]charlesmccall at gmail.com>; 'marshallgsmith'
> <[3]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: 'detomaso' <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; 'laurie Basile'
> <[5]laurieferrari at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
>
> Where are the actual proposals/quotes from the printers, not the ones
> the editor posted here. Those as they appear, could have been
> manipulated - I'm not accusing anyone, I am just saying, as any court
> would say - an experienced editor like Jack could add or delete to
> create and post what he did here. Since there are many still
> questioning the printer cost, let's see the actual bids.
>
>
>
>
> From: Charles McCall [[6]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com]
>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 12:08 AM
>
> To: marshallgsmith
>
> Cc: Michael Haney; Judith McCartney; Effie Richards; Julian Kift;
> detomaso; laurie Basile
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
>
>
>
> You did all read the info sent by Judy McCartney last week with Jack's
> explanation?
>
>
>
>
> Re-sent here in case you didn't see it. Please open the attachment - I
> promise no viruses are included
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 8:20 AM, marshallgsmith
> <[7]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hey Michael,
>
>
> I think the best way to put this controversy to bed is if you or
> your
>
> dad could speak about not being cooperative in regards to the the
> use
>
> of another printer that supposedly afforded the club an $8,000
> savings.
>
> That really seems to be the only issue that continues this
> controversy
>
> and I still haven't heard either of you discuss the allegation. I'm
>
> sure your response will cut this thread for good and allow us all to
>
> move on with the rebuilding of this great club.
>
>
> Marshall Smith
>
>
> President, San Diego Panteras
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
>
> From: Michael Haney <[8]paso750 at gmail.com>
>
> Date: 8/15/16 10:36 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
> To: 'Judith McCartney' <[9]jpoca2 at hotmail.com>, 'Effie Richards'
>
> <[10]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>, 'Julian Kift'
>
> <[11]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>
> Cc: [12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com, 'laurie Basile'
>
> <[13]laurieferrari at aol.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
> Thank you very much, Judy.
>
> I really wish this thread would just die.
>
> I know that this isn't the answer you're fishing for, but it'll have
> to
>
> do
>
> since it's the truth.
>
> Nancy quit and took her associate (me) with her because she was
> tired
>
> of
>
> hearing from me all about Shortt's efforts to take over every aspect
> of
>
> POCA.
>
> I didn't fight her decision because I was in turn tired of Shortt's
>
> intimidation and bullying tactics. Frankly, being on the Board
> wasn't
>
> fun
>
> anymore and I was also very tired of Shortt's constant preening.
>
> As a matter of record, I resigned from the Board BEFORE Profiles #3
>
> even
>
> went to the printer. I had nearly finished it and decided that I
> didn't
>
> want
>
> to let the POCA members down. I really didn't want to contribute any
>
> more to
>
> Shortt's regime, but my conscience won.
>
> Even after I sent the magazine in, I still had to deal with Shortt.
> He
>
> decided to interfere with the printer, sent them a database with a
>
> whole
>
> bunch of problematic info and threaten nonpayment if he didn't get
>
> preliminary proofs. How do I know this? I received a call while I
> was
>
> at
>
> work from the woman working in Allegra Printing's mail room. She
> called
>
> Shortt and he wouldn't help her with the database and ignored her
>
> questions.
>
> Having no one else to call, she called me. I in turn contacted Judy,
>
> our
>
> Membership Director, who fixed the problems that Shortt created.
>
> Regarding Shortt's allegations of graft, if anyone can find a
>
> connection
>
> between my family and anyone who EVER worked at Allegra Printing in
>
> Reno,
>
> Nevada, (or indeed any of Allegra's branches) please let me know.
>
> My Dad might respond as well, but he's been pretty busy caring for
> my
>
> SERIOUSLY ill Mom who was in the hospital for the last two weeks and
>
> who
>
> might finally be able to come back home in a couple more.
>
> Now, can we finally put this "controversy" to rest?
>
> Mike Haney
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: DeTomaso [[14]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
>
> Behalf
>
> Of Judith McCartney
>
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 8:44 PM
>
> To: Effie Richards; Julian Kift
>
> Cc: [15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; laurie Basile
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
> Mike Haney gave his resignation months way head of Jacks, two diff
>
> reasons.
>
> Judith McCartney, Membership Director & Fun Rally coordinator.
>
> > From: [16]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
>
> > Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 18:43:43 -0700
>
> > To: [17]julian_kift at hotmail.com
>
> > CC: [18]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
> [19]laurieferrari at aol.com
>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
> >
>
> > Julian these are the same questions some of us have had and have
> been
>
> waiting for a reply or statement. I'm willing to give the board some
>
> time to
>
> come up with one.
>
> >
>
> > Sent from Effie's iPad
>
> >
>
> > > On Aug 15, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Julian Kift
> <[20]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > I have digested all the emails on this topic and to be honest
> it
>
> still
>
> > > doesn't sit well in my gut.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > Presumably the BOD voted in favor of changing printers based
> upon
>
> the
>
> > > quotes presented. Did they not have all the facts and
>
> > > if not why did they not question further? Did Jack have all
> the
>
> facts
>
> w
>
> > > hen he resigned or were his and Mike Haney's resignations
> simply
>
> an
>
> > > outright stand against changing printer?
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > Why did Michael push to change printer if he knew there was
> only
>
> > > pennies between it?
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > Julian
>
> > >
>
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> > >
>
> > > From: DeTomaso <[21]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
> on
>
> behalf of
>
> > > marshall smith <[22]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>
> > > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:11 AM
>
> > > To: [23]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
> [24]laurieferrari at aol.com
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
> > >
>
> > > I find it funny that three months after the Fun Rally we are
> now
>
> > > hearing that Shortt's bid for printing did not include
> shipping.
>
> Shortt
>
> > > is a lot of things but a mistake like this...?
>
> > > I was listening in on this meeting also and I know what I
> heard.
>
> > > Apparently, the board convinced 'some' members of this
> so-called
>
> > > discrepancy month's ago. Why wasn't this information, if it
>
> exists,
>
> > > relayed to ALL of us in a timely manner?
>
> > > Marshall
>
> > >
>
> > > --------------------------------------------
>
> > > On Mon, 8/15/16, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
>
> > > <[25]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
> > > To: [26]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > Date: Monday, August 15, 2016, 9:57 AM
>
> > >
>
> > > Dear AJ,
>
> > >
>
> > > I have always respected you and your
>
> > > opinions but in this case you are
>
> > > incorrect as far as the resignation of
>
> > > Jack DeRyke. I was on the Board
>
> > > of Directors' conference call where he was
>
> > > asked to stay and he
>
> > > adamantly refused to if the printer
>
> > > changed. Jack's resignation was
>
> > > specifically because of the change in
>
> > > printer! You can go research
>
> > > that phone conference call, or the minutes
>
> > > of the meeting, as the facts
>
> > > are saved. As far as Mike Haney's
>
> > > resignation, that was done by his
>
> > > Mrs. for their reasons which most likely
>
> > > were aligned with their
>
> > > parents.
>
> > >
>
> > > Laurie
>
> > >
>
> > > In a message dated 8/13/2016
>
> > > 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,?
>
> > > [1][27]asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > writes:
>
> > > The last? I heard (and I may have
>
> > > heard wrong), the board was
>
> > > interested
>
> > > in doing a? -real- accounting
>
> > > comparison of printing costs, so for
>
> > > me,
>
> > > it's a wait and? see kind of
>
> > > thing.? I agree, if POCA was missing
>
> > > out on
>
> > > full-color? and paying $8,000 more
>
> > > for B/W then something is amiss.?
>
> > > However, I? also believe Mr. Shortt
>
> > > didn't account for all costs
>
> > > properly.? I? have more faith that
>
> > > the present board members will
>
> > > properly investigate? and sort it
>
> > > out for everyone.
>
> > > I am on-board with electronic
>
> > > delivery,? though I do admit it's nice
>
> > > to
>
> > > just sit back and read a paper
>
> > > copy? too.? It's also easier to
>
> > > hand-off
>
> > > to Sam so he can read it? later.?
>
> > > How do you really fix that?
>
> > > I would think (and I don't? know),
>
> > > that the ClubExpress membership
>
> > > database might be able to include
>
> > > a? "preference" as part of the
>
> > > member's
>
> > > profile or details.? Just as I? can
>
> > > set an address and phone number,
>
> > > if I
>
> > > could check a box for Electronic?
>
> > > delivery or paper copies, or both,
>
> > > and
>
> > > select whatever I wanted for each?
>
> > > item (Profiles versus
>
> > > Newsletter),
>
> > > that might be ideal.
>
> > > However,? I'm also familiar with
>
> > > quantity discounting.? It very well
>
> > > could be? that it costs the same
>
> > > amount to print 500 as it does to
>
> > > print
>
> > > 50, or 10? (but I doubt it).? I
>
> > > imagine those are considerations the
>
> > > board will? look at as well.
>
> > > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie
>
> > > has claimed, I have? heard (from
>
> > > more
>
> > > than one person), that Jack and
>
> > > Mike did not resign? "because POCA
>
> > > changed printers;" it was over
>
> > > "control" of newsletter? content that
>
> > > in
>
> > > essence fell outside the bounds of
>
> > > the by-laws.? For? a guy that
>
> > > appeared
>
> > > to try very hard to get everyone
>
> > > else to follow the? by-laws (and
>
> > > it's
>
> > > unwritten code of ethics), Mr.
>
> > > Shortt certainly didn't? feel they
>
> > > applied
>
> > > to him.
>
> > > For the record, as I understand it,
>
> > > POCA? has changed printers
>
> > > -twice-
>
> > > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
> > > related? to the DeRykes) got out
>
> > > of
>
> > > the business.? So the "family
>
> > > tie-in"? previously eluded to, was not
>
> > > a
>
> > > factor in the resignations.
>
> > > Just my? $1.50? (two cents adjusted
>
> > > for inflation)
>
> > > Asa? Jay
>
> > > Asa Jay? Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt,
>
> > > USAFR, Retired
>
> > > &? Shelley? Mar
>
> > >
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
>
> > > From: detomaso-request
>
> <[28]detomaso-request at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> > > To: detomaso <[29]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> > > Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2016 9:00 am
>
> > > Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue
>
> > > 20
>
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>
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>
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>
> > > than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..."
>
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>
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>
> > > 1. Re: Newsletters, cost, paper vs.
>
> > > electronic (marshallgsmith)
>
> > > 2. Re: De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay!
>
> > > again $250K!! (Michael Cox)
>
> > > 3. Re: Newsletters, cost, paper vs.
>
> > > electronic (Stephen)
>
> > >
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > > ---
>
> > > Message: 1
>
> > > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:27:43 -0700
>
> > > From: marshallgsmith <[6][34]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>
> > > To: [7][35]P6746 at aol.com, [8][36]asajay at asajay.com,
>
> > > [9][37]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
>
> > > paper vs. electronic
>
> > > Message-ID:
>
> > >
>
> <[10][38]sdxpj9k7caacwyvlamgw7uly.1471231663405 at email.android.com>
>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> > > I have a couple questions Bob:
>
> > >> Calling this situation "multiple dues
>
> > > levels" seems to be making the
>
> > > issue too complex. There are some members
>
> > > that are opting to not have
>
> > > printed magazines mailed which should make
>
> > > those members eligible for a
>
> > > discount because of the savings.
>
> > >> What is your estimate of the length
>
> > > of time that it would take the
>
> > > board to arrange for a vote of the
>
> > > membership to change the bylaws to
>
> > > allow for this discount?
>
> > >> Who specifically made that
>
> > > apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
>
> > >> I agree that the editors should have
>
> > > the most influence ?on the
>
> > > process. ?However, our editors of both
>
> > > publications seem to have a hard
>
> > > time reporting to the members about ANY
>
> > > issues pertaining to the
>
> > > publication's themselves. Might that
>
> > > change in the near future or will
>
> > > radio silence be the norm here?
>
> > > Marshall Smith
>
> > > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
> > > -------- Original message --------
>
> > > From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
>
> <[11][39]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> > > Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
> > > To: [12][40]asajay at asajay.com,
>
> > > [13][41]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
>
> > > paper vs. electronic
>
> > > To use a cliche, we're working on it.?
>
> > > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
>
> > > pipeline.?? However, there
>
> > > are
>
> > > restrictions, particularly with the
>
> > > By-Laws as they currently? stand.?
>
> > > There
>
> > > are no provisions for multiple dues
>
> > > levels,? particularly pertaining to
>
> > > how a
>
> > > member elects to have their club?
>
> > > publications delivered, etc.? That
>
> > > will
>
> > > take time as any changes or? amendments
>
> > > must be approved by the whole
>
> > > membership.
>
> > > The consensus seems to be that the
>
> > > Profiles would? continue as a print
>
> > > publication for all except foreign members
>
> > > who elect to? receive it
>
> > > digitally.?
>
> > > As far as printing is concerned, it is
>
> > > that first copy that is? so
>
> > > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
>
> > > that bring down the per unit?
>
> > > cost.? So as
>
> > > fewer units are produced and shipped, the
>
> > > cost per unit? increases but
>
> > > not
>
> > > proportionately.??
>
> > > An apples to apples comparison was made
>
> > > between an online? printer and
>
> > > the
>
> > > current printer for both printing and
>
> > > mailing and the difference? was
>
> > > pennies.? That wasn't pennies per unit but
>
> > > for the whole run.?
>
> > > As far as I am concerned, it is the
>
> > > editors who should have? the most
>
> > > influence as to how and where their
>
> > > product is produced.? They are? the
>
> > > ones who
>
> > > must work with the printers and mailing
>
> > > houses on a regular? basis.
>
> > > Bob Reid?
>
> > > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
>
> > > Eastern Daylight Time,?
>
> > > [14][42]asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > writes:
>
> > > The last? I heard (and I may have heard
>
> > > wrong), the board was
>
> > > interested
>
> > > in doing a? -real- accounting comparison
>
> > > of printing costs, so for me,
>
> > > it's a wait and? see kind of thing.? I
>
> > > agree, if POCA was missing out
>
> > > on
>
> > > full-color? and paying $8,000 more for B/W
>
> > > then something is amiss.?
>
> > > However, I? also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
>
> > > account for all costs
>
> > > properly.? I? have more faith that the
>
> > > present board members will
>
> > > properly investigate? and sort it out for
>
> > > everyone.
>
> > > I am on-board with electronic delivery,?
>
> > > though I do admit it's nice to
>
> > > just sit back and read a paper copy? too.?
>
> > > It's also easier to hand-off
>
> > > to Sam so he can read it? later.? How do
>
> > > you really fix that?
>
> > > I would think (and I don't? know), that
>
> > > the ClubExpress membership
>
> > > database might be able to include a?
>
> > > "preference" as part of the
>
> > > member's
>
> > > profile or details.? Just as I? can set an
>
> > > address and phone number, if
>
> > > I
>
> > > could check a box for Electronic? delivery
>
> > > or paper copies, or both,
>
> > > and
>
> > > select whatever I wanted for each? item
>
> > > (Profiles versus Newsletter),
>
> > > that might be ideal.
>
> > > However,? I'm also familiar with quantity
>
> > > discounting.? It very well
>
> > > could be? that it costs the same amount to
>
> > > print 500 as it does to
>
> > > print
>
> > > 50, or 10? (but I doubt it).? I imagine
>
> > > those are considerations the
>
> > > board will? look at as well.
>
> > > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
>
> > > claimed, I have? heard (from
>
> > > more
>
> > > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
>
> > > not resign? "because POCA
>
> > > changed printers;" it was over "control"
>
> > > of newsletter? content that in
>
> > > essence fell outside the bounds of the
>
> > > by-laws.? For? a guy that
>
> > > appeared
>
> > > to try very hard to get everyone else to
>
> > > follow the? by-laws (and it's
>
> > > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
>
> > > certainly didn't? feel they
>
> > > applied
>
> > > to him.
>
> > > For the record, as I understand it, POCA?
>
> > > has changed printers -twice-
>
> > > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
> > > related? to the DeRykes) got out of
>
> > > the business.? So the "family tie-in"?
>
> > > previously eluded to, was not a
>
> > > factor in the resignations.
>
> > > Just my? $1.50? (two cents adjusted for
>
> > > inflation)
>
> > > Asa? Jay
>
> > > Asa Jay? Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
>
> > > Retired
>
> > > &? Shelley? Marie
>
> > > Spokane,? WA
>
> > > ******************************
>
> > > [15][43]http://w7tsc.org
>
> > > [16][44]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> > > _______________________________________________
>
> > > Detomaso? Email List is not managed by
>
> > > POCA
>
> > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5?
>
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>
> > > DeTomaso mailing? list
>
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> [18][46]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > To? manage your subscription (change email
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>
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>
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>
> > > maintain an archive or? approve
>
> > > the
>
> > > archiving of list? messages.
>
> > > ?? To use a cliche, we're working on it.
>
> > > ?? Most of what has been mentioned is in
>
> > > the pipeline.? However, there
>
> > > are
>
> > > ?? restrictions, particularly with the
>
> > > By-Laws as they currently stand.
>
> > > ?? There are no provisions for multiple
>
> > > dues levels,
>
> > > ?? particularly pertaining to how a member
>
> > > elects to have their club
>
> > > ?? publications delivered, etc.? That will
>
> > > take time as any changes or
>
> > > ?? amendments must be approved by the
>
> > > whole membership.
>
> > > ?? The consensus seems to be that the
>
> > > Profiles would continue as a
>
> > > print
>
> > > ?? publication for all except foreign
>
> > > members who elect to receive it
>
> > > ?? digitally.
>
> > > ?? As far as printing is concerned, it is
>
> > > that first copy that is so
>
> > > ?? expensive, it is the subsequent copies
>
> > > that bring down the per unit
>
> > > ?? cost.? So as fewer units are produced
>
> > > and shipped, the cost per unit
>
> > > ?? increases but not proportionately.
>
> > > ?? An apples to apples comparison was made
>
> > > between an online printer
>
> > > and
>
> > > ?? the current printer for both printing
>
> > > and mailing and the difference
>
> > > ?? was pennies.? That wasn't pennies per
>
> > > unit but for the whole run.
>
> > > ?? As far as I am concerned, it is the
>
> > > editors who should have the most
>
> > > ?? influence as to how and where their
>
> > > product is produced.? They are
>
> > > the
>
> > > ?? ones who must work with the printers
>
> > > and mailing houses on a regular
>
> > > ?? basis.
>
> > > ?? Bob Reid
>
> > > ?? In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24
>
> > > P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>
> > > ?? [19][47]asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > writes:
>
> > > ???? The last I heard (and I may have
>
> > > heard wrong), the board was
>
> > > ???? interested
>
> > > ???? in doing a -real- accounting
>
> > > comparison of printing costs, so for
>
> > > ???? me,
>
> > > ???? it's a wait and see kind of thing.? I
>
> > > agree, if POCA was missing
>
> > > out
>
> > > ???? on
>
> > > ???? full-color and paying $8,000 more for
>
> > > B/W then something is amiss.
>
> > > ???? However, I also believe Mr. Shortt
>
> > > didn't account for all costs
>
> > > ???? properly.? I have more faith that the
>
> > > present board members will
>
> > > ???? properly investigate and sort it out
>
> > > for everyone.
>
> > > ???? I am on-board with electronic
>
> > > delivery, though I do admit it's
>
> > > nice
>
> > > ???? to
>
> > > ???? just sit back and read a paper copy
>
> > > too.? It's also easier to
>
> > > ???? hand-off
>
> > > ???? to Sam so he can read it later.? How
>
> > > do you really fix that?
>
> > > ???? I would think (and I don't know),
>
> > > that the ClubExpress membership
>
> > > ???? database might be able to include a
>
> > > "preference" as part of the
>
> > > ???? member's
>
> > > ???? profile or details.? Just as I can
>
> > > set an address and phone
>
> > > number,
>
> > > ???? if I
>
> > > ???? could check a box for Electronic
>
> > > delivery or paper copies, or
>
> > > both,
>
> > > ???? and
>
> > > ???? select whatever I wanted for each
>
> > > item (Profiles versus
>
> > > Newsletter),
>
> > > ???? that might be ideal.
>
> > > ???? However, I'm also familiar with
>
> > > quantity discounting.? It very
>
> > > well
>
> > > ???? could be that it costs the same
>
> > > amount to print 500 as it does to
>
> > > ???? print
>
> > > ???? 50, or 10 (but I doubt it).? I
>
> > > imagine those are considerations
>
> > > the
>
> > > ???? board will look at as well.
>
> > > ???? Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie
>
> > > has claimed, I have heard (from
>
> > > ???? more
>
> > > ???? than one person), that Jack and Mike
>
> > > did not resign "because POCA
>
> > > ???? changed printers;" it was over
>
> > > "control" of newsletter content
>
> > > that
>
> > > ???? in
>
> > > ???? essence fell outside the bounds of
>
> > > the by-laws.? For a guy that
>
> > > ???? appeared
>
> > > ???? to try very hard to get everyone else
>
> > > to follow the by-laws (and
>
> > > ???? it's
>
> > > ???? unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
>
> > > certainly didn't feel they
>
> > > ???? applied
>
> > > ???? to him.
>
> > > ???? For the record, as I understand it,
>
> > > POCA has changed printers
>
> > > ???? -twice-
>
> > > ???? since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
> > > related to the DeRykes) got
>
> > > out
>
> > > ???? of
>
> > > ???? the business.? So the "family tie-in"
>
> > > previously eluded to, was
>
> > > not
>
> > > ???? a
>
> > > ???? factor in the resignations.
>
> > > ???? Just my $1.50? (two cents adjusted
>
> > > for inflation)
>
> > > ???? Asa? Jay
>
> > > ???? Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt,
>
> > > USAFR, Retired
>
> > > ???? &? Shelley Marie
>
> > > ???? Spokane, WA
>
> > > ???? ******************************
>
> > > ???? [20][48]http://w7tsc.org
>
> > > ???? [21][49]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> > > ????
>
> > > _______________________________________________
>
> > > ???? Detomaso Email List is not managed by
>
> > > POCA
>
> > > ???? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
>
> > > Megabytes
>
> > > ???? DeTomaso mailing list
>
> > > ???? [22][50]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > ????
>
> [23][51]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > ???? To manage your subscription (change
>
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>
> > > ???? etc.) use the links above.
>
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>
> > > ???? the list. They also grant the list
>
> > > owner permission to maintain an
>
> > > ???? archive or approve the archiving of
>
> > > list messages.
>
> > > _______________________________________________
>
> > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by
>
> > > POCA
>
> > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
>
> > > Megabytes
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>
> > >
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>
> > > To manage your subscription (change email
>
> > > address, unsubscribe, etc.)
>
> > > use the links above.
>
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>
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>
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>
> > > or approve the archiving of list
>
> > > messages.
>
> > > -------------- next part --------------
>
> > > I have a couple questions Bob:
>
> > >> Calling this situation "multiple dues
>
> > > levels" seems to be making the
>
> > > issue too complex. There are some members
>
> > > that are opting to not have
>
> > > printed magazines mailed which should make
>
> > > those members eligible for a
>
> > > discount because of the savings.
>
> > >> What is your estimate of the length
>
> > > of time that it would take the
>
> > > board to arrange for a vote of the
>
> > > membership to change the bylaws to
>
> > > allow for this discount?
>
> > >> Who specifically made that
>
> > > apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
>
> > >> I agree that the editors should have
>
> > > the most influence on the
>
> > > process. However, our editors of both
>
> > > publications seem to have a hard
>
> > > time reporting to the members about ANY
>
> > > issues pertaining to the
>
> > > publication's themselves. Might that
>
> > > change in the near future or will
>
> > > radio silence be the norm here?
>
> > > Marshall Smith
>
> > > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
> > > -------- Original message --------
>
> > > From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
>
> <[26][54]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> > > Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
> > > To: [27][55]asajay at asajay.com,
>
> > > [28][56]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
>
> > > paper vs. electronic
>
> > > To use a cliche, we're working on it.
>
> > > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
>
> > > pipeline. However, there
>
> > > are
>
> > > restrictions, particularly with the
>
> > > By-Laws as they currently stand.
>
> > > There
>
> > > are no provisions for multiple dues
>
> > > levels, particularly pertaining to
>
> > > how a
>
> > > member elects to have their club
>
> > > publications delivered, etc. That
>
> > > will
>
> > > take time as any changes or amendments
>
> > > must be approved by the whole
>
> > > membership.
>
> > > The consensus seems to be that the
>
> > > Profiles would continue as a print
>
> > > publication for all except foreign members
>
> > > who elect to receive it
>
> > > digitally.
>
> > > As far as printing is concerned, it is
>
> > > that first copy that is so
>
> > > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
>
> > > that bring down the per unit
>
> > > cost. So as
>
> > > fewer units are produced and shipped, the
>
> > > cost per unit increases but
>
> > > not
>
> > > proportionately.
>
> > > An apples to apples comparison was made
>
> > > between an online printer and
>
> > > the
>
> > > current printer for both printing and
>
> > > mailing and the difference was
>
> > > pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but
>
> > > for the whole run.
>
> > > As far as I am concerned, it is the
>
> > > editors who should have the most
>
> > > influence as to how and where their
>
> > > product is produced. They are the
>
> > > ones who
>
> > > must work with the printers and mailing
>
> > > houses on a regular basis.
>
> > > Bob Reid
>
> > > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
>
> > > Eastern Daylight Time,
>
> > > [29][57]asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > writes:
>
> > > The last I heard (and I may have heard
>
> > > wrong), the board was
>
> > > interested
>
> > > in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
>
> > > printing costs, so for me,
>
> > > it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
>
> > > agree, if POCA was missing out
>
> > > on
>
> > > full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
>
> > > then something is amiss.
>
> > > However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
>
> > > account for all costs
>
> > > properly. I have more faith that the
>
> > > present board members will
>
> > > properly investigate and sort it out for
>
> > > everyone.
>
> > > I am on-board with electronic delivery,
>
> > > though I do admit it's nice to
>
> > > just sit back and read a paper copy too.
>
> > > It's also easier to hand-off
>
> > > to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
>
> > > really fix that?
>
> > > I would think (and I don't know), that the
>
> > > ClubExpress membership
>
> > > database might be able to include a
>
> > > "preference" as part of the
>
> > > member's
>
> > > profile or details. Just as I can set an
>
> > > address and phone number, if
>
> > > I
>
> > > could check a box for Electronic delivery
>
> > > or paper copies, or both,
>
> > > and
>
> > > select whatever I wanted for each item
>
> > > (Profiles versus Newsletter),
>
> > > that might be ideal.
>
> > > However, I'm also familiar with quantity
>
> > > discounting. It very well
>
> > > could be that it costs the same amount to
>
> > > print 500 as it does to
>
> > > print
>
> > > 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
>
> > > those are considerations the
>
> > > board will look at as well.
>
> > > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
>
> > > claimed, I have heard (from
>
> > > more
>
> > > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
>
> > > not resign "because POCA
>
> > > changed printers;" it was over "control"
>
> > > of newsletter content that in
>
> > > essence fell outside the bounds of the
>
> > > by-laws. For a guy that
>
> > > appeared
>
> > > to try very hard to get everyone else to
>
> > > follow the by-laws (and it's
>
> > > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
>
> > > certainly didn't feel they
>
> > > applied
>
> > > to him.
>
> > > For the record, as I understand it, POCA
>
> > > has changed printers -twice-
>
> > > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
> > > related to the DeRykes) got out of
>
> > > the business. So the "family tie-in"
>
> > > previously eluded to, was not a
>
> > > factor in the resignations.
>
> > > Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
>
> > > inflation)
>
> > > Asa Jay
>
> > > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
>
> > > Retired
>
> > > & Shelley Marie
>
> > > Spokane, WA
>
> > > ******************************
>
> > > [30][58]http://w7tsc.org
>
> > > [31][59]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> > > _______________________________________________
>
> > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by
>
> > > POCA
>
> > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
>
> > > Megabytes
>
> > > DeTomaso mailing list
>
> > > [32][60]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > >
> [33][61]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > To manage your subscription (change email
>
> > > address, unsubscribe, etc.)
>
> > > use
>
> > > the links above.
>
> > > Members who post to this list grant
>
> > > license to the list to forward any
>
> > > message posted here to all past, current,
>
> > > or future members of the
>
> > > list. They
>
> > > also grant the list owner permission to
>
> > > maintain an archive or approve
>
> > > the
>
> > > archiving of list messages.
>
> > > To use a cliche, we're working on it.
>
> > > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
>
> > > pipeline. However, there
>
> > > are
>
> > > restrictions, particularly with the
>
> > > By-Laws as they currently stand.
>
> > > There are no provisions for multiple dues
>
> > > levels,
>
> > > particularly pertaining to how a member
>
> > > elects to have their club
>
> > > publications delivered, etc. That will
>
> > > take time as any changes or
>
> > > amendments must be approved by the whole
>
> > > membership.
>
> > > The consensus seems to be that the
>
> > > Profiles would continue as a
>
> > > print
>
> > > publication for all except foreign members
>
> > > who elect to receive it
>
> > > digitally.
>
> > > As far as printing is concerned, it is
>
> > > that first copy that is so
>
> > > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
>
> > > that bring down the per unit
>
> > > cost. So as fewer units are produced and
>
> > > shipped, the cost per unit
>
> > > increases but not proportionately.
>
> > > An apples to apples comparison was made
>
> > > between an online printer
>
> > > and
>
> > > the current printer for both printing and
>
> > > mailing and the difference
>
> > > was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit
>
> > > but for the whole run.
>
> > > As far as I am concerned, it is the
>
> > > editors who should have the most
>
> > > influence as to how and where their
>
> > > product is produced. They are
>
> > > the
>
> > > ones who must work with the printers and
>
> > > mailing houses on a regular
>
> > > basis.
>
> > > Bob Reid
>
> > > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
>
> > > Eastern Daylight Time,
>
> > > [34][62]asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > writes:
>
> > > The last I heard (and I may have heard
>
> > > wrong), the board was
>
> > > interested
>
> > > in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
>
> > > printing costs, so for
>
> > > me,
>
> > > it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
>
> > > agree, if POCA was missing
>
> > > out
>
> > > on
>
> > > full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
>
> > > then something is amiss.
>
> > > However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
>
> > > account for all costs
>
> > > properly. I have more faith that the
>
> > > present board members will
>
> > > properly investigate and sort it out for
>
> > > everyone.
>
> > > I am on-board with electronic delivery,
>
> > > though I do admit it's
>
> > > nice
>
> > > to
>
> > > just sit back and read a paper copy too.
>
> > > It's also easier to
>
> > > hand-off
>
> > > to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
>
> > > really fix that?
>
> > > I would think (and I don't know), that the
>
> > > ClubExpress membership
>
> > > database might be able to include a
>
> > > "preference" as part of the
>
> > > member's
>
> > > profile or details. Just as I can set an
>
> > > address and phone
>
> > > number,
>
> > > if I
>
> > > could check a box for Electronic delivery
>
> > > or paper copies, or
>
> > > both,
>
> > > and
>
> > > select whatever I wanted for each item
>
> > > (Profiles versus
>
> > > Newsletter),
>
> > > that might be ideal.
>
> > > However, I'm also familiar with quantity
>
> > > discounting. It very
>
> > > well
>
> > > could be that it costs the same amount to
>
> > > print 500 as it does to
>
> > > print
>
> > > 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
>
> > > those are considerations
>
> > > the
>
> > > board will look at as well.
>
> > > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
>
> > > claimed, I have heard (from
>
> > > more
>
> > > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
>
> > > not resign "because POCA
>
> > > changed printers;" it was over "control"
>
> > > of newsletter content
>
> > > that
>
> > > in
>
> > > essence fell outside the bounds of the
>
> > > by-laws. For a guy that
>
> > > appeared
>
> > > to try very hard to get everyone else to
>
> > > follow the by-laws (and
>
> > > it's
>
> > > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
>
> > > certainly didn't feel they
>
> > > applied
>
> > > to him.
>
> > > For the record, as I understand it, POCA
>
> > > has changed printers
>
> > > -twice-
>
> > > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
> > > related to the DeRykes) got
>
> > > out
>
> > > of
>
> > > the business. So the "family tie-in"
>
> > > previously eluded to, was
>
> > > not
>
> > > a
>
> > > factor in the resignations.
>
> > > Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
>
> > > inflation)
>
> > > Asa Jay
>
> > > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
>
> > > Retired
>
> > > & Shelley Marie
>
> > > Spokane, WA
>
> > > ******************************
>
> > > [35][63]http://w7tsc.org
>
> > > [36][64]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
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> > > ------------------------------
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> > > Message: 2
>
> > > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:56:45 -0700
>
> > > From: Michael Cox <[41][69]coxmichaelt at gmail.com>
>
> > > To: [42][70]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera
>
> > > GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
>
> > > Message-ID:
>
> > >
>
>
> <CAMPkPf3HQcqg5vLxgjpJP=7z=UBbrVs=[43][71]ynAnbzepC1U9QH+A_Q at mail.gmail
>
> > > .com
>
> > >>
>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> > >> From: Ed Mendez <[44][72]edducati at mac.com>
>
> > >> Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera
>
> > > GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Hi! I found this on eBay and thought
>
> > > you might like it! Check it out
>
> > > now! De Tomaso:
>
> > >> Other Pantera GTS [45][73]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>
> > > These guys found that ad too. :^)
>
> > >
>
>
> [46][74]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
>
> > > a-ha
>
> > > s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
>
> > > --michael cox
>
> > > -------------- next part --------------
>
> > >> From: Ed Mendez <[1][47][75]edducati at mac.com>
>
> > >> Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera
>
> > > GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
>
> > >> A
>
> > >> Hi! I found this on eBay and thought
>
> > > you might like it! Check it out
>
> > > now!A De Tomaso:
>
> > >> Other Pantera GTSA [2][48][76]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>
> > > These guys found that ad too. A :^)
>
> > >
>
>
> [3][49][77]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pan
>
> > > tera
>
> > > -has
>
> > > -only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
>
> > > A A --michael cox
>
> > > References
>
> > > 1. [50][78]mailto:edducati at mac.com
>
> > > 2. [51][79]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>
> > > 3.
>
> > >
>
>
> [52][80]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
>
> > > a-ha
>
> > > s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
>
> > > ------------------------------
>
> > > Message: 3
>
> > > Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 08:05:15 -0700
>
> > > From: "Stephen" <[53][81]steve at snclocks.com>
>
> > > To: "'marshallgsmith'"
> <[54][82]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
>
> > > <[55][83]P6746 at aol.com>,
>
> > > <[56][84]asajay at asajay.com>,
>
> > > <[57][85]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
>
> > > paper vs. electronic
>
> > > Message-ID:
>
> > > <[86]004701d1f706$6ead4a50$4c07def0$@snclocks.com>
>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> > > Having been on Boards before - I'd suggest
>
> > > the current Board deserves
>
> > > some time to catch their breath and
>
> > > recover from the situation they
>
> > > have recently been through. It is amazing
>
> > > how much time something like
>
> > > this takes - and I suspect everyone on the
>
> > > Board would like to catch up
>
> > > on all the things they have let slide
>
> > > while coping with the removal of
>
> > > a president and all the animosity and
>
> > > e-mails the whole mess generated.
>
> > > It's so easy to ask questions - but takes
>
> > > a lot more time to figure out
>
> > > how to do everything asked below. For now,
>
> > > let's just let the Board
>
> > > recover and slowly get some of the loose
>
> > > ends taken care of.
>
> > > Stephen Nelson
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
>
> > > From: DeTomaso
>
> > > [[58][87]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>
> > > On
>
> > > Behalf Of marshallgsmith
>
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 8:28 PM
>
> > > To: [59][88]P6746 at aol.com; [60][89]asajay at asajay.com;
>
> > > [61][90]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
>
> > > paper vs. electronic
>
> > > I have a couple questions Bob:
>
> > >> Calling this situation "multiple dues
>
> > > levels" seems to be making the
>
> > > issue too complex. There are some members
>
> > > that are opting to not have
>
> > > printed magazines mailed which should make
>
> > > those members eligible for a
>
> > > discount because of the savings.
>
> > >> What is your estimate of the length
>
> > > of time that it would take the
>
> > > board to arrange for a vote of the
>
> > > membership to change the bylaws to
>
> > > allow for this discount?
>
> > >> Who specifically made that
>
> > > apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
>
> > >> I agree that the editors should have
>
> > > the most influence on the
>
> > > process. However, our editors of both
>
> > > publications seem to have a hard
>
> > > time reporting to the members about ANY
>
> > > issues pertaining to the
>
> > > publication's themselves. Might that
>
> > > change in the near future or will
>
> > > radio silence be the norm here?
>
> > > Marshall Smith
>
> > > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
> > > -------- Original message --------
>
> > > From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
>
> <[62][91]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> > > Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
> > > To: [63][92]asajay at asajay.com,
>
> > > [64][93]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
>
> > > paper vs. electronic
>
> > > To use a cliche, we're working on it.
>
> > > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
>
> > > pipeline. However, there are
>
> > > restrictions, particularly with the
>
> > > By-Laws as they currently stand.
>
> > > There are no provisions for multiple dues
>
> > > levels, particularly
>
> > > pertaining to how a member elects to have
>
> > > their club publications
>
> > > delivered, etc. That will take time as any
>
> > > changes or amendments must
>
> > > be approved by the whole membership.
>
> > > The consensus seems to be that the
>
> > > Profiles would continue as a print
>
> > > publication for all except foreign members
>
> > > who elect to receive it
>
> > > digitally.
>
> > > As far as printing is concerned, it is
>
> > > that first copy that is so
>
> > > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
>
> > > that bring down the per unit
>
> > > cost. So as fewer units are produced and
>
> > > shipped, the cost per unit
>
> > > increases but not proportionately.
>
> > > An apples to apples comparison was made
>
> > > between an online printer and
>
> > > the current printer for both printing and
>
> > > mailing and the difference
>
> > > was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit
>
> > > but for the whole run.
>
> > > As far as I am concerned, it is the
>
> > > editors who should have the most
>
> > > influence as to how and where their
>
> > > product is produced. They are the
>
> > > ones who must work with the printers and
>
> > > mailing houses on a regular
>
> > > basis.
>
> > > Bob Reid
>
> > > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
>
> > > Eastern Daylight Time,
>
> > > [65][94]asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > writes:
>
> > > The last I heard (and I may have heard
>
> > > wrong), the board was interested
>
> > > in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
>
> > > printing costs, so for me,
>
> > > it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
>
> > > agree, if POCA was missing out on
>
> > > full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
>
> > > then something is amiss.
>
> > > However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
>
> > > account for all costs
>
> > > properly. I have more faith that the
>
> > > present board members will
>
> > > properly investigate and sort it out for
>
> > > everyone.
>
> > > I am on-board with electronic delivery,
>
> > > though I do admit it's nice to
>
> > > just sit back and read a paper copy too.
>
> > > It's also easier to hand-off
>
> > > to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
>
> > > really fix that?
>
> > > I would think (and I don't know), that the
>
> > > ClubExpress membership
>
> > > database might be able to include a
>
> > > "preference" as part of the
>
> > > member's profile or details. Just as I can
>
> > > set an address and phone
>
> > > number, if I could check a box for
>
> > > Electronic delivery or paper copies,
>
> > > or both, and select whatever I wanted for
>
> > > each item (Profiles versus
>
> > > Newsletter), that might be ideal.
>
> > > However, I'm also familiar with quantity
>
> > > discounting. It very well
>
> > > could be that it costs the same amount to
>
> > > print 500 as it does to print
>
> > > 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
>
> > > those are considerations the
>
> > > board will look at as well.
>
> > > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
>
> > > claimed, I have heard (from more
>
> > > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
>
> > > not resign "because POCA
>
> > > changed printers;" it was over "control"
>
> > > of newsletter content that in
>
> > > essence fell outside the bounds of the
>
> > > by-laws. For a guy that appeared
>
> > > to try very hard to get everyone else to
>
> > > follow the by-laws (and it's
>
> > > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
>
> > > certainly didn't feel they
>
> > > applied to him.
>
> > > For the record, as I understand it, POCA
>
> > > has changed printers -twice-
>
> > > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
> > > related to the DeRykes) got out of
>
> > > the business. So the "family tie-in"
>
> > > previously eluded to, was not a
>
> > > factor in the resignations.
>
> > > Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
>
> > > inflation) Asa Jay
>
> > > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
>
> > > Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane,
>
> > > WA
>
> > > ******************************
>
> > > [66]http://w7tsc.org
>
> > > [67]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> > > _______________________________________________
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
> > > permission to maintain an archive
>
> > > or approve the archiving of list
>
> > > messages.
>
> > > To use a cliche, we're working on it.
>
> > > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
>
> > > pipeline. However, there are
>
> > > restrictions, particularly with the
>
> > > By-Laws as they currently stand.
>
> > > There are no provisions for multiple dues
>
> > > levels,
>
> > > particularly pertaining to how a member
>
> > > elects to have their club
>
> > > publications delivered, etc. That will
>
> > > take time as any changes or
>
> > > amendments must be approved by the whole
>
> > > membership.
>
> > > The consensus seems to be that the
>
> > > Profiles would continue as a print
>
> > > publication for all except foreign members
>
> > > who elect to receive it
>
> > > digitally.
>
> > > As far as printing is concerned, it is
>
> > > that first copy that is so
>
> > > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
>
> > > that bring down the per unit
>
> > > cost. So as fewer units are produced and
>
> > > shipped, the cost per unit
>
> > > increases but not proportionately.
>
> > > An apples to apples comparison was made
>
> > > between an online printer and
>
> > > the current printer for both printing and
>
> > > mailing and the difference
>
> > > was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit
>
> > > but for the whole run.
>
> > > As far as I am concerned, it is the
>
> > > editors who should have the most
>
> > > influence as to how and where their
>
> > > product is produced. They are the
>
> > > ones who must work with the printers and
>
> > > mailing houses on a regular
>
> > > basis.
>
> > > Bob Reid
>
> > > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
>
> > > Eastern Daylight Time,
>
> > > [70]asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > writes:
>
> > > The last I heard (and I may have heard
>
> > > wrong), the board was
>
> > > interested
>
> > > in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
>
> > > printing costs, so for
>
> > > me,
>
> > > it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
>
> > > agree, if POCA was missing out
>
> > > on
>
> > > full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
>
> > > then something is amiss.
>
> > > However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
>
> > > account for all costs
>
> > > properly. I have more faith that the
>
> > > present board members will
>
> > > properly investigate and sort it out for
>
> > > everyone.
>
> > > I am on-board with electronic delivery,
>
> > > though I do admit it's nice
>
> > > to
>
> > > just sit back and read a paper copy too.
>
> > > It's also easier to
>
> > > hand-off
>
> > > to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
>
> > > really fix that?
>
> > > I would think (and I don't know), that the
>
> > > ClubExpress membership
>
> > > database might be able to include a
>
> > > "preference" as part of the
>
> > > member's
>
> > > profile or details. Just as I can set an
>
> > > address and phone number,
>
> > > if I
>
> > > could check a box for Electronic delivery
>
> > > or paper copies, or both,
>
> > > and
>
> > > select whatever I wanted for each item
>
> > > (Profiles versus Newsletter),
>
> > > that might be ideal.
>
> > > However, I'm also familiar with quantity
>
> > > discounting. It very well
>
> > > could be that it costs the same amount to
>
> > > print 500 as it does to
>
> > > print
>
> > > 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
>
> > > those are considerations the
>
> > > board will look at as well.
>
> > > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
>
> > > claimed, I have heard (from
>
> > > more
>
> > > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
>
> > > not resign "because POCA
>
> > > changed printers;" it was over "control"
>
> > > of newsletter content that
>
> > > in
>
> > > essence fell outside the bounds of the
>
> > > by-laws. For a guy that
>
> > > appeared
>
> > > to try very hard to get everyone else to
>
> > > follow the by-laws (and
>
> > > it's
>
> > > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
>
> > > certainly didn't feel they
>
> > > applied
>
> > > to him.
>
> > > For the record, as I understand it, POCA
>
> > > has changed printers
>
> > > -twice-
>
> > > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
>
> > > related to the DeRykes) got out
>
> > > of
>
> > > the business. So the "family tie-in"
>
> > > previously eluded to, was not
>
> > > a
>
> > > factor in the resignations.
>
> > > Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
>
> > > inflation)
>
> > > Asa Jay
>
> > > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
>
> > > Retired
>
> > > & Shelley Marie
>
> > > Spokane, WA
>
> > > ******************************
>
> > > [71]http://w7tsc.org
>
> > > [72]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> > > _______________________________________________
>
> > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by
>
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>
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> > > End of DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 20
>
> > > *****************************************
>
> > >
>
> > > References
>
> > >
>
> > > 1. [1]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 2. [2]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 3.
>
> [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 4. [4]mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 5. [5]mailto:owner at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 6. [6]mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>
> > > 7. [7]mailto:P6746 at aol.com
>
> > > 8. [8]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 9. [9]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 10.
>
> > >
>
> [10]mailto:sdxpj9k7caacwyvlamgw7uly.1471231663405 at email.android.com
>
> > > 11. [11]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 12. [12]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 13. [13]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 14. [14]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 15. [15]http://w7tsc.org/
>
> > > 16. [16]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
> > > 17. [17]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 18.
>
> [18]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 19. [19]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 20. [20]http://w7tsc.org/
>
> > > 21. [21]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
> > > 22. [22]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 23.
>
> [23]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 24. [24]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 25.
>
> [25]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 26. [26]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 27. [27]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 28. [28]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 29. [29]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 30. [30]http://w7tsc.org/
>
> > > 31. [31]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
> > > 32. [32]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 33.
>
> [33]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 34. [34]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 35. [35]http://w7tsc.org/
>
> > > 36. [36]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
> > > 37. [37]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 38.
>
> [38]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 39. [39]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 40.
>
> [40]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 41. [41]mailto:coxmichaelt at gmail.com
>
> > > 42. [42]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 43. [43]mailto:ynAnbzepC1U9QH+A_Q at mail.gmail.com
> <mailto:ynAnbzepC1U9QH%2BA_Q at mail.gmail.com>
>
> > > 44. [44]mailto:edducati at mac.com
>
> > > 45. [45]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>
> > > 46.
>
> > >
>
>
> [46]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-ha
>
> > > s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
>
> > > 47. [47]mailto:edducati at mac.com
>
> > > 48. [48]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>
> > > 49.
>
> > >
>
>
> [49]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-ha
>
> > > s
>
> > > 50. [50]mailto:edducati at mac.com?
>
> > > 51. [51]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>
> > > 52.
>
> > >
>
>
> [52]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-ha
>
> > > s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
>
> > > 53. [53]mailto:steve at snclocks.com
>
> > > 54. [54]mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>
> > > 55. [55]mailto:P6746 at aol.com
>
> > > 56. [56]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 57. [57]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 58. [58]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
>
> > > 59. [59]mailto:P6746 at aol.com
>
> > > 60. [60]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 61. [61]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 62. [62]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 63. [63]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 64. [64]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 65. [65]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 66. [66]http://w7tsc.org/
>
> > > 67. [67]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
> > > 68. [68]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 69.
>
> [69]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 70. [70]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 71. [71]http://w7tsc.org/
>
> > > 72. [72]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
> > > 73. [73]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 74.
>
> [74]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 75. [75]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 76.
>
> [76]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 77. [77]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 78.
>
> [78]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > >
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> > > 1. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
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> > > 2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> > > 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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> > > 4. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
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> > > 5. mailto:owner at server.detomasolist.com
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> > > 6. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>
> > > 7. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
>
> > > 8. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 9. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 10.
>
> mailto:sdxpj9k7caacwyvlamgw7uly.1471231663405 at email.android.com
>
> > > 11. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 12. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 13. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 14. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 15. http://w7tsc.org/
>
> > > 16. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
> > > 17. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 18. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 19. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 20. http://w7tsc.org/
>
> > > 21. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
> > > 22. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 23. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 24. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 25. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 26. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 27. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 28. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 29. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 30. http://w7tsc.org/
>
> > > 31. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
> > > 32. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 33. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 34. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 35. http://w7tsc.org/
>
> > > 36. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
> > > 37. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 38. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 39. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 40. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 41. mailto:coxmichaelt at gmail.com
>
> > > 42. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 43. mailto:ynAnbzepC1U9QH+A_Q at mail.gmail.com
> <mailto:ynAnbzepC1U9QH%2BA_Q at mail.gmail.com>
>
> > > 44. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>
> > > 45. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>
> > > 46.
>
>
> http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-has-on
>
> ly-78
>
> 5-miles-to-its-name/109069/
>
> > > 47. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>
> > > 48. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>
> > > 49.
>
> http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-has
>
> > > 50. mailto:edducati at mac.com?
>
> > > 51. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
>
> > > 52.
>
>
> http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-has-on
>
> ly-78
>
> 5-miles-to-its-name/109069/
>
> > > 53. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
>
> > > 54. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>
> > > 55. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
>
> > > 56. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 57. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 58. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
>
> > > 59. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
>
> > > 60. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 61. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 62. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 63. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 64. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 65. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>
> > > 66. http://w7tsc.org/
>
> > > 67. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>
> > > 68. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> > > 69. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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> > > 70. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
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> > > 71. http://w7tsc.org/
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> > > 72. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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> > > 73. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> > > 74. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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> > > 75. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> > > 76. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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> > > 77. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> > > 78. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> > > 79. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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> > > 80. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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> 3. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
> 4. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 5. mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com
> 6. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 7. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
> 8. mailto:paso750 at gmail.com
> 9. mailto:jpoca2 at hotmail.com
> 10. mailto:erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
> 11. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 12. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 13. mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com
> 14. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 15. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 16. mailto:erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
> 17. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 18. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 19. mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com
> 20. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 21. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 22. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
> 23. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 24. mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com
> 25. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 26. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 27. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 28. mailto:detomaso-request at server.detomasolist.com
> 29. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 30. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 31. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 32. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
> 33. mailto:owner at server.detomasolist.com
> 34. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
> 35. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
> 36. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 37. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 38. mailto:sdxpj9k7caacwyvlamgw7uly.1471231663405 at email.android.com
> 39. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 40. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 41. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 42. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 43. http://w7tsc.org/
> 44. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> 45. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 46. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 47. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 48. http://w7tsc.org/
> 49. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> 50. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 51. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 52. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 53. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 54. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 55. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 56. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 57. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 58. http://w7tsc.org/
> 59. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> 60. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 61. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 62. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 63. http://w7tsc.org/
> 64. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> 65. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 66. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 67. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 68. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 69. mailto:coxmichaelt at gmail.com
> 70. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 71. mailto:ynAnbzepC1U9QH+A_Q at mail.gmail
> 72. mailto:edducati at mac.com
> 73. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
> 74. http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
> 75. mailto:edducati at mac.com
> 76. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
> 77. http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pan
> 78. mailto:edducati at mac.com
> 79. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
> 80. http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
> 81. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
> 82. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
> 83. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
> 84. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 85. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 86. mailto:004701d1f706$6ead4a50$4c07def0$@snclocks.com
> 87. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 88. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
> 89. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 90. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 91. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 92. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 93. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 94. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
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