[DeTomaso] -- SPAM --Re: resignations
Effie Richards
erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
Tue Aug 16 13:22:47 EDT 2016
I read the attachment, why wasn’t it made public, if it’s a true one, it should have been.
From: Charles McCall [mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 2:22 AM
To: marshallgsmith
Cc: Michael Haney; Judith McCartney; Effie Richards; Julian Kift; detomaso; laurie Basile
Subject: -- SPAM --Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
PS - if you read the attachment, you'll see that there is basically NO savings by changing printers.
According to the quotes received, the $8000 savings was not correct.
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
You did all read the info sent by Judy McCartney last week with Jack's explanation?
Re-sent here in case you didn't see it. Please open the attachment - I promise no viruses are included
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 8:20 AM, marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hey Michael,
I think the best way to put this controversy to bed is if you or your
dad could speak about not being cooperative in regards to the the use
of another printer that supposedly afforded the club an $8,000 savings.
That really seems to be the only issue that continues this controversy
and I still haven't heard either of you discuss the allegation. I'm
sure your response will cut this thread for good and allow us all to
move on with the rebuilding of this great club.
Marshall Smith
President, San Diego Panteras
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Michael Haney <paso750 at gmail.com>
Date: 8/15/16 10:36 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: 'Judith McCartney' <jpoca2 at hotmail.com>, 'Effie Richards'
<erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>, 'Julian Kift'
<julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com, 'laurie Basile'
<laurieferrari at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
Thank you very much, Judy.
I really wish this thread would just die.
I know that this isn't the answer you're fishing for, but it'll have to
do
since it's the truth.
Nancy quit and took her associate (me) with her because she was tired
of
hearing from me all about Shortt's efforts to take over every aspect of
POCA.
I didn't fight her decision because I was in turn tired of Shortt's
intimidation and bullying tactics. Frankly, being on the Board wasn't
fun
anymore and I was also very tired of Shortt's constant preening.
As a matter of record, I resigned from the Board BEFORE Profiles #3
even
went to the printer. I had nearly finished it and decided that I didn't
want
to let the POCA members down. I really didn't want to contribute any
more to
Shortt's regime, but my conscience won.
Even after I sent the magazine in, I still had to deal with Shortt. He
decided to interfere with the printer, sent them a database with a
whole
bunch of problematic info and threaten nonpayment if he didn't get
preliminary proofs. How do I know this? I received a call while I was
at
work from the woman working in Allegra Printing's mail room. She called
Shortt and he wouldn't help her with the database and ignored her
questions.
Having no one else to call, she called me. I in turn contacted Judy,
our
Membership Director, who fixed the problems that Shortt created.
Regarding Shortt's allegations of graft, if anyone can find a
connection
between my family and anyone who EVER worked at Allegra Printing in
Reno,
Nevada, (or indeed any of Allegra's branches) please let me know.
My Dad might respond as well, but he's been pretty busy caring for my
SERIOUSLY ill Mom who was in the hospital for the last two weeks and
who
might finally be able to come back home in a couple more.
Now, can we finally put this "controversy" to rest?
Mike Haney
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Judith McCartney
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 8:44 PM
To: Effie Richards; Julian Kift
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; laurie Basile
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
Mike Haney gave his resignation months way head of Jacks, two diff
reasons.
Judith McCartney, Membership Director & Fun Rally coordinator.
> From: erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 18:43:43 -0700
> To: julian_kift at hotmail.com
> CC: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; laurieferrari at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
> Julian these are the same questions some of us have had and have been
waiting for a reply or statement. I'm willing to give the board some
time to
come up with one.
>
> Sent from Effie's iPad
>
> > On Aug 15, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > I have digested all the emails on this topic and to be honest it
still
> > doesn't sit well in my gut.
> >
> >
> > Presumably the BOD voted in favor of changing printers based upon
the
> > quotes presented. Did they not have all the facts and
> > if not why did they not question further? Did Jack have all the
facts
w
> > hen he resigned or were his and Mike Haney's resignations simply
an
> > outright stand against changing printer?
> >
> >
> > Why did Michael push to change printer if he knew there was only
> > pennies between it?
> >
> >
> > Julian
> >
__________________________________________________________________
> >
> > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
> > marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:11 AM
> > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; laurieferrari at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
> >
> > I find it funny that three months after the Fun Rally we are now
> > hearing that Shortt's bid for printing did not include shipping.
Shortt
> > is a lot of things but a mistake like this...?
> > I was listening in on this meeting also and I know what I heard.
> > Apparently, the board convinced 'some' members of this so-called
> > discrepancy month's ago. Why wasn't this information, if it
exists,
> > relayed to ALL of us in a timely manner?
> > Marshall
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Mon, 8/15/16, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
> > <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
> > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Date: Monday, August 15, 2016, 9:57 AM
> >
> > Dear AJ,
> >
> > I have always respected you and your
> > opinions but in this case you are
> > incorrect as far as the resignation of
> > Jack DeRyke. I was on the Board
> > of Directors' conference call where he was
> > asked to stay and he
> > adamantly refused to if the printer
> > changed. Jack's resignation was
> > specifically because of the change in
> > printer! You can go research
> > that phone conference call, or the minutes
> > of the meeting, as the facts
> > are saved. As far as Mike Haney's
> > resignation, that was done by his
> > Mrs. for their reasons which most likely
> > were aligned with their
> > parents.
> >
> > Laurie
> >
> > In a message dated 8/13/2016
> > 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,?
> > [1]asajay at asajay.com
> > writes:
> > The last? I heard (and I may have
> > heard wrong), the board was
> > interested
> > in doing a? -real- accounting
> > comparison of printing costs, so for
> > me,
> > it's a wait and? see kind of
> > thing.? I agree, if POCA was missing
> > out on
> > full-color? and paying $8,000 more
> > for B/W then something is amiss.?
> > However, I? also believe Mr. Shortt
> > didn't account for all costs
> > properly.? I? have more faith that
> > the present board members will
> > properly investigate? and sort it
> > out for everyone.
> > I am on-board with electronic
> > delivery,? though I do admit it's nice
> > to
> > just sit back and read a paper
> > copy? too.? It's also easier to
> > hand-off
> > to Sam so he can read it? later.?
> > How do you really fix that?
> > I would think (and I don't? know),
> > that the ClubExpress membership
> > database might be able to include
> > a? "preference" as part of the
> > member's
> > profile or details.? Just as I? can
> > set an address and phone number,
> > if I
> > could check a box for Electronic?
> > delivery or paper copies, or both,
> > and
> > select whatever I wanted for each?
> > item (Profiles versus
> > Newsletter),
> > that might be ideal.
> > However,? I'm also familiar with
> > quantity discounting.? It very well
> > could be? that it costs the same
> > amount to print 500 as it does to
> > print
> > 50, or 10? (but I doubt it).? I
> > imagine those are considerations the
> > board will? look at as well.
> > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie
> > has claimed, I have? heard (from
> > more
> > than one person), that Jack and
> > Mike did not resign? "because POCA
> > changed printers;" it was over
> > "control" of newsletter? content that
> > in
> > essence fell outside the bounds of
> > the by-laws.? For? a guy that
> > appeared
> > to try very hard to get everyone
> > else to follow the? by-laws (and
> > it's
> > unwritten code of ethics), Mr.
> > Shortt certainly didn't? feel they
> > applied
> > to him.
> > For the record, as I understand it,
> > POCA? has changed printers
> > -twice-
> > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
> > related? to the DeRykes) got out
> > of
> > the business.? So the "family
> > tie-in"? previously eluded to, was not
> > a
> > factor in the resignations.
> > Just my? $1.50? (two cents adjusted
> > for inflation)
> > Asa? Jay
> > Asa Jay? Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt,
> > USAFR, Retired
> > &? Shelley? Mar
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-request
<detomaso-request at server.detomasolist.com>
> > To: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2016 9:00 am
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:27:43 -0700
> > From: marshallgsmith <[6]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: [7]P6746 at aol.com, [8]asajay at asajay.com,
> > [9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
> > paper vs. electronic
> > Message-ID:
> >
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > I have a couple questions Bob:
> >> Calling this situation "multiple dues
> > levels" seems to be making the
> > issue too complex. There are some members
> > that are opting to not have
> > printed magazines mailed which should make
> > those members eligible for a
> > discount because of the savings.
> >> What is your estimate of the length
> > of time that it would take the
> > board to arrange for a vote of the
> > membership to change the bylaws to
> > allow for this discount?
> >> Who specifically made that
> > apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
> >> I agree that the editors should have
> > the most influence ?on the
> > process. ?However, our editors of both
> > publications seem to have a hard
> > time reporting to the members about ANY
> > issues pertaining to the
> > publication's themselves. Might that
> > change in the near future or will
> > radio silence be the norm here?
> > Marshall Smith
> > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
<[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
> > To: [12]asajay at asajay.com,
> > [13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
> > paper vs. electronic
> > To use a cliche, we're working on it.?
> > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
> > pipeline.?? However, there
> > are
> > restrictions, particularly with the
> > By-Laws as they currently? stand.?
> > There
> > are no provisions for multiple dues
> > levels,? particularly pertaining to
> > how a
> > member elects to have their club?
> > publications delivered, etc.? That
> > will
> > take time as any changes or? amendments
> > must be approved by the whole
> > membership.
> > The consensus seems to be that the
> > Profiles would? continue as a print
> > publication for all except foreign members
> > who elect to? receive it
> > digitally.?
> > As far as printing is concerned, it is
> > that first copy that is? so
> > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
> > that bring down the per unit?
> > cost.? So as
> > fewer units are produced and shipped, the
> > cost per unit? increases but
> > not
> > proportionately.??
> > An apples to apples comparison was made
> > between an online? printer and
> > the
> > current printer for both printing and
> > mailing and the difference? was
> > pennies.? That wasn't pennies per unit but
> > for the whole run.?
> > As far as I am concerned, it is the
> > editors who should have? the most
> > influence as to how and where their
> > product is produced.? They are? the
> > ones who
> > must work with the printers and mailing
> > houses on a regular? basis.
> > Bob Reid?
> > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
> > Eastern Daylight Time,?
> > [14]asajay at asajay.com
> > writes:
> > The last? I heard (and I may have heard
> > wrong), the board was
> > interested
> > in doing a? -real- accounting comparison
> > of printing costs, so for me,
> > it's a wait and? see kind of thing.? I
> > agree, if POCA was missing out
> > on
> > full-color? and paying $8,000 more for B/W
> > then something is amiss.?
> > However, I? also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
> > account for all costs
> > properly.? I? have more faith that the
> > present board members will
> > properly investigate? and sort it out for
> > everyone.
> > I am on-board with electronic delivery,?
> > though I do admit it's nice to
> > just sit back and read a paper copy? too.?
> > It's also easier to hand-off
> > to Sam so he can read it? later.? How do
> > you really fix that?
> > I would think (and I don't? know), that
> > the ClubExpress membership
> > database might be able to include a?
> > "preference" as part of the
> > member's
> > profile or details.? Just as I? can set an
> > address and phone number, if
> > I
> > could check a box for Electronic? delivery
> > or paper copies, or both,
> > and
> > select whatever I wanted for each? item
> > (Profiles versus Newsletter),
> > that might be ideal.
> > However,? I'm also familiar with quantity
> > discounting.? It very well
> > could be? that it costs the same amount to
> > print 500 as it does to
> > print
> > 50, or 10? (but I doubt it).? I imagine
> > those are considerations the
> > board will? look at as well.
> > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
> > claimed, I have? heard (from
> > more
> > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
> > not resign? "because POCA
> > changed printers;" it was over "control"
> > of newsletter? content that in
> > essence fell outside the bounds of the
> > by-laws.? For? a guy that
> > appeared
> > to try very hard to get everyone else to
> > follow the? by-laws (and it's
> > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
> > certainly didn't? feel they
> > applied
> > to him.
> > For the record, as I understand it, POCA?
> > has changed printers -twice-
> > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
> > related? to the DeRykes) got out of
> > the business.? So the "family tie-in"?
> > previously eluded to, was not a
> > factor in the resignations.
> > Just my? $1.50? (two cents adjusted for
> > inflation)
> > Asa? Jay
> > Asa Jay? Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
> > Retired
> > &? Shelley? Marie
> > Spokane,? WA
> > ******************************
> > [15]http://w7tsc.org
> > [16]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Detomaso? Email List is not managed by
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> > also grant the list owner permission to
> > maintain an archive or? approve
> > the
> > archiving of list? messages.
> > ?? To use a cliche, we're working on it.
> > ?? Most of what has been mentioned is in
> > the pipeline.? However, there
> > are
> > ?? restrictions, particularly with the
> > By-Laws as they currently stand.
> > ?? There are no provisions for multiple
> > dues levels,
> > ?? particularly pertaining to how a member
> > elects to have their club
> > ?? publications delivered, etc.? That will
> > take time as any changes or
> > ?? amendments must be approved by the
> > whole membership.
> > ?? The consensus seems to be that the
> > Profiles would continue as a
> > print
> > ?? publication for all except foreign
> > members who elect to receive it
> > ?? digitally.
> > ?? As far as printing is concerned, it is
> > that first copy that is so
> > ?? expensive, it is the subsequent copies
> > that bring down the per unit
> > ?? cost.? So as fewer units are produced
> > and shipped, the cost per unit
> > ?? increases but not proportionately.
> > ?? An apples to apples comparison was made
> > between an online printer
> > and
> > ?? the current printer for both printing
> > and mailing and the difference
> > ?? was pennies.? That wasn't pennies per
> > unit but for the whole run.
> > ?? As far as I am concerned, it is the
> > editors who should have the most
> > ?? influence as to how and where their
> > product is produced.? They are
> > the
> > ?? ones who must work with the printers
> > and mailing houses on a regular
> > ?? basis.
> > ?? Bob Reid
> > ?? In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24
> > P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > ?? [19]asajay at asajay.com
> > writes:
> > ???? The last I heard (and I may have
> > heard wrong), the board was
> > ???? interested
> > ???? in doing a -real- accounting
> > comparison of printing costs, so for
> > ???? me,
> > ???? it's a wait and see kind of thing.? I
> > agree, if POCA was missing
> > out
> > ???? on
> > ???? full-color and paying $8,000 more for
> > B/W then something is amiss.
> > ???? However, I also believe Mr. Shortt
> > didn't account for all costs
> > ???? properly.? I have more faith that the
> > present board members will
> > ???? properly investigate and sort it out
> > for everyone.
> > ???? I am on-board with electronic
> > delivery, though I do admit it's
> > nice
> > ???? to
> > ???? just sit back and read a paper copy
> > too.? It's also easier to
> > ???? hand-off
> > ???? to Sam so he can read it later.? How
> > do you really fix that?
> > ???? I would think (and I don't know),
> > that the ClubExpress membership
> > ???? database might be able to include a
> > "preference" as part of the
> > ???? member's
> > ???? profile or details.? Just as I can
> > set an address and phone
> > number,
> > ???? if I
> > ???? could check a box for Electronic
> > delivery or paper copies, or
> > both,
> > ???? and
> > ???? select whatever I wanted for each
> > item (Profiles versus
> > Newsletter),
> > ???? that might be ideal.
> > ???? However, I'm also familiar with
> > quantity discounting.? It very
> > well
> > ???? could be that it costs the same
> > amount to print 500 as it does to
> > ???? print
> > ???? 50, or 10 (but I doubt it).? I
> > imagine those are considerations
> > the
> > ???? board will look at as well.
> > ???? Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie
> > has claimed, I have heard (from
> > ???? more
> > ???? than one person), that Jack and Mike
> > did not resign "because POCA
> > ???? changed printers;" it was over
> > "control" of newsletter content
> > that
> > ???? in
> > ???? essence fell outside the bounds of
> > the by-laws.? For a guy that
> > ???? appeared
> > ???? to try very hard to get everyone else
> > to follow the by-laws (and
> > ???? it's
> > ???? unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
> > certainly didn't feel they
> > ???? applied
> > ???? to him.
> > ???? For the record, as I understand it,
> > POCA has changed printers
> > ???? -twice-
> > ???? since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
> > related to the DeRykes) got
> > out
> > ???? of
> > ???? the business.? So the "family tie-in"
> > previously eluded to, was
> > not
> > ???? a
> > ???? factor in the resignations.
> > ???? Just my $1.50? (two cents adjusted
> > for inflation)
> > ???? Asa? Jay
> > ???? Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt,
> > USAFR, Retired
> > ???? &? Shelley Marie
> > ???? Spokane, WA
> > ???? ******************************
> > ???? [20]http://w7tsc.org
> > ???? [21]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> > ????
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> > -------------- next part --------------
> > I have a couple questions Bob:
> >> Calling this situation "multiple dues
> > levels" seems to be making the
> > issue too complex. There are some members
> > that are opting to not have
> > printed magazines mailed which should make
> > those members eligible for a
> > discount because of the savings.
> >> What is your estimate of the length
> > of time that it would take the
> > board to arrange for a vote of the
> > membership to change the bylaws to
> > allow for this discount?
> >> Who specifically made that
> > apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
> >> I agree that the editors should have
> > the most influence on the
> > process. However, our editors of both
> > publications seem to have a hard
> > time reporting to the members about ANY
> > issues pertaining to the
> > publication's themselves. Might that
> > change in the near future or will
> > radio silence be the norm here?
> > Marshall Smith
> > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
<[26]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
> > To: [27]asajay at asajay.com,
> > [28]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
> > paper vs. electronic
> > To use a cliche, we're working on it.
> > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
> > pipeline. However, there
> > are
> > restrictions, particularly with the
> > By-Laws as they currently stand.
> > There
> > are no provisions for multiple dues
> > levels, particularly pertaining to
> > how a
> > member elects to have their club
> > publications delivered, etc. That
> > will
> > take time as any changes or amendments
> > must be approved by the whole
> > membership.
> > The consensus seems to be that the
> > Profiles would continue as a print
> > publication for all except foreign members
> > who elect to receive it
> > digitally.
> > As far as printing is concerned, it is
> > that first copy that is so
> > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
> > that bring down the per unit
> > cost. So as
> > fewer units are produced and shipped, the
> > cost per unit increases but
> > not
> > proportionately.
> > An apples to apples comparison was made
> > between an online printer and
> > the
> > current printer for both printing and
> > mailing and the difference was
> > pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but
> > for the whole run.
> > As far as I am concerned, it is the
> > editors who should have the most
> > influence as to how and where their
> > product is produced. They are the
> > ones who
> > must work with the printers and mailing
> > houses on a regular basis.
> > Bob Reid
> > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
> > Eastern Daylight Time,
> > [29]asajay at asajay.com
> > writes:
> > The last I heard (and I may have heard
> > wrong), the board was
> > interested
> > in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
> > printing costs, so for me,
> > it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
> > agree, if POCA was missing out
> > on
> > full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
> > then something is amiss.
> > However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
> > account for all costs
> > properly. I have more faith that the
> > present board members will
> > properly investigate and sort it out for
> > everyone.
> > I am on-board with electronic delivery,
> > though I do admit it's nice to
> > just sit back and read a paper copy too.
> > It's also easier to hand-off
> > to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
> > really fix that?
> > I would think (and I don't know), that the
> > ClubExpress membership
> > database might be able to include a
> > "preference" as part of the
> > member's
> > profile or details. Just as I can set an
> > address and phone number, if
> > I
> > could check a box for Electronic delivery
> > or paper copies, or both,
> > and
> > select whatever I wanted for each item
> > (Profiles versus Newsletter),
> > that might be ideal.
> > However, I'm also familiar with quantity
> > discounting. It very well
> > could be that it costs the same amount to
> > print 500 as it does to
> > print
> > 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
> > those are considerations the
> > board will look at as well.
> > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
> > claimed, I have heard (from
> > more
> > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
> > not resign "because POCA
> > changed printers;" it was over "control"
> > of newsletter content that in
> > essence fell outside the bounds of the
> > by-laws. For a guy that
> > appeared
> > to try very hard to get everyone else to
> > follow the by-laws (and it's
> > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
> > certainly didn't feel they
> > applied
> > to him.
> > For the record, as I understand it, POCA
> > has changed printers -twice-
> > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
> > related to the DeRykes) got out of
> > the business. So the "family tie-in"
> > previously eluded to, was not a
> > factor in the resignations.
> > Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
> > inflation)
> > Asa Jay
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
> > Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > [30]http://w7tsc.org
> > [31]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Detomaso Email List is not managed by
> > POCA
> > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
> > Megabytes
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> > [32]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > [33]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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> > address, unsubscribe, etc.)
> > use
> > the links above.
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> > license to the list to forward any
> > message posted here to all past, current,
> > or future members of the
> > list. They
> > also grant the list owner permission to
> > maintain an archive or approve
> > the
> > archiving of list messages.
> > To use a cliche, we're working on it.
> > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
> > pipeline. However, there
> > are
> > restrictions, particularly with the
> > By-Laws as they currently stand.
> > There are no provisions for multiple dues
> > levels,
> > particularly pertaining to how a member
> > elects to have their club
> > publications delivered, etc. That will
> > take time as any changes or
> > amendments must be approved by the whole
> > membership.
> > The consensus seems to be that the
> > Profiles would continue as a
> > print
> > publication for all except foreign members
> > who elect to receive it
> > digitally.
> > As far as printing is concerned, it is
> > that first copy that is so
> > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
> > that bring down the per unit
> > cost. So as fewer units are produced and
> > shipped, the cost per unit
> > increases but not proportionately.
> > An apples to apples comparison was made
> > between an online printer
> > and
> > the current printer for both printing and
> > mailing and the difference
> > was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit
> > but for the whole run.
> > As far as I am concerned, it is the
> > editors who should have the most
> > influence as to how and where their
> > product is produced. They are
> > the
> > ones who must work with the printers and
> > mailing houses on a regular
> > basis.
> > Bob Reid
> > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
> > Eastern Daylight Time,
> > [34]asajay at asajay.com
> > writes:
> > The last I heard (and I may have heard
> > wrong), the board was
> > interested
> > in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
> > printing costs, so for
> > me,
> > it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
> > agree, if POCA was missing
> > out
> > on
> > full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
> > then something is amiss.
> > However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
> > account for all costs
> > properly. I have more faith that the
> > present board members will
> > properly investigate and sort it out for
> > everyone.
> > I am on-board with electronic delivery,
> > though I do admit it's
> > nice
> > to
> > just sit back and read a paper copy too.
> > It's also easier to
> > hand-off
> > to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
> > really fix that?
> > I would think (and I don't know), that the
> > ClubExpress membership
> > database might be able to include a
> > "preference" as part of the
> > member's
> > profile or details. Just as I can set an
> > address and phone
> > number,
> > if I
> > could check a box for Electronic delivery
> > or paper copies, or
> > both,
> > and
> > select whatever I wanted for each item
> > (Profiles versus
> > Newsletter),
> > that might be ideal.
> > However, I'm also familiar with quantity
> > discounting. It very
> > well
> > could be that it costs the same amount to
> > print 500 as it does to
> > print
> > 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
> > those are considerations
> > the
> > board will look at as well.
> > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
> > claimed, I have heard (from
> > more
> > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
> > not resign "because POCA
> > changed printers;" it was over "control"
> > of newsletter content
> > that
> > in
> > essence fell outside the bounds of the
> > by-laws. For a guy that
> > appeared
> > to try very hard to get everyone else to
> > follow the by-laws (and
> > it's
> > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
> > certainly didn't feel they
> > applied
> > to him.
> > For the record, as I understand it, POCA
> > has changed printers
> > -twice-
> > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
> > related to the DeRykes) got
> > out
> > of
> > the business. So the "family tie-in"
> > previously eluded to, was
> > not
> > a
> > factor in the resignations.
> > Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
> > inflation)
> > Asa Jay
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
> > Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > [35]http://w7tsc.org
> > [36]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Detomaso Email List is not managed by
> > POCA
> > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
> > Megabytes
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> > [37]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > [38]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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> > address, unsubscribe,
> > etc.) use the links above.
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> > messages.
> > _______________________________________________
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> > POCA
> > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
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> > [40]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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> > messages.
> > ------------------------------
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:56:45 -0700
> > From: Michael Cox <[41]coxmichaelt at gmail.com>
> > To: [42]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera
> > GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
> > Message-ID:
> >
<CAMPkPf3HQcqg5vLxgjpJP=7z=UBbrVs=[43]ynAnbzepC1U9QH+A_Q at mail.gmail
> > .com
> >>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >> From: Ed Mendez <[44]edducati at mac.com>
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera
> > GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
> >>
> >> Hi! I found this on eBay and thought
> > you might like it! Check it out
> > now! De Tomaso:
> >> Other Pantera GTS [45]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
> > These guys found that ad too. :^)
> >
[46]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
> > a-ha
> > s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
> > --michael cox
> > -------------- next part --------------
> >> From: Ed Mendez <[1][47]edducati at mac.com>
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera
> > GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
> >> A
> >> Hi! I found this on eBay and thought
> > you might like it! Check it out
> > now!A De Tomaso:
> >> Other Pantera GTSA [2][48]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
> > These guys found that ad too. A :^)
> >
[3][49]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pan
> > tera
> > -has
> > -only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
> > A A --michael cox
> > References
> > 1. [50]mailto:edducati at mac.com
> > 2. [51]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
> > 3.
> >
[52]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
> > a-ha
> > s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
> > ------------------------------
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 08:05:15 -0700
> > From: "Stephen" <[53]steve at snclocks.com>
> > To: "'marshallgsmith'" <[54]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
> > <[55]P6746 at aol.com>,
> > <[56]asajay at asajay.com>,
> > <[57]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
> > paper vs. electronic
> > Message-ID:
> > <004701d1f706$6ead4a50$4c07def0$@snclocks.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > Having been on Boards before - I'd suggest
> > the current Board deserves
> > some time to catch their breath and
> > recover from the situation they
> > have recently been through. It is amazing
> > how much time something like
> > this takes - and I suspect everyone on the
> > Board would like to catch up
> > on all the things they have let slide
> > while coping with the removal of
> > a president and all the animosity and
> > e-mails the whole mess generated.
> > It's so easy to ask questions - but takes
> > a lot more time to figure out
> > how to do everything asked below. For now,
> > let's just let the Board
> > recover and slowly get some of the loose
> > ends taken care of.
> > Stephen Nelson
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso
> > [[58]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> > On
> > Behalf Of marshallgsmith
> > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 8:28 PM
> > To: [59]P6746 at aol.com; [60]asajay at asajay.com;
> > [61]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
> > paper vs. electronic
> > I have a couple questions Bob:
> >> Calling this situation "multiple dues
> > levels" seems to be making the
> > issue too complex. There are some members
> > that are opting to not have
> > printed magazines mailed which should make
> > those members eligible for a
> > discount because of the savings.
> >> What is your estimate of the length
> > of time that it would take the
> > board to arrange for a vote of the
> > membership to change the bylaws to
> > allow for this discount?
> >> Who specifically made that
> > apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
> >> I agree that the editors should have
> > the most influence on the
> > process. However, our editors of both
> > publications seem to have a hard
> > time reporting to the members about ANY
> > issues pertaining to the
> > publication's themselves. Might that
> > change in the near future or will
> > radio silence be the norm here?
> > Marshall Smith
> > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
<[62]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
> > To: [63]asajay at asajay.com,
> > [64]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
> > paper vs. electronic
> > To use a cliche, we're working on it.
> > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
> > pipeline. However, there are
> > restrictions, particularly with the
> > By-Laws as they currently stand.
> > There are no provisions for multiple dues
> > levels, particularly
> > pertaining to how a member elects to have
> > their club publications
> > delivered, etc. That will take time as any
> > changes or amendments must
> > be approved by the whole membership.
> > The consensus seems to be that the
> > Profiles would continue as a print
> > publication for all except foreign members
> > who elect to receive it
> > digitally.
> > As far as printing is concerned, it is
> > that first copy that is so
> > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
> > that bring down the per unit
> > cost. So as fewer units are produced and
> > shipped, the cost per unit
> > increases but not proportionately.
> > An apples to apples comparison was made
> > between an online printer and
> > the current printer for both printing and
> > mailing and the difference
> > was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit
> > but for the whole run.
> > As far as I am concerned, it is the
> > editors who should have the most
> > influence as to how and where their
> > product is produced. They are the
> > ones who must work with the printers and
> > mailing houses on a regular
> > basis.
> > Bob Reid
> > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
> > Eastern Daylight Time,
> > [65]asajay at asajay.com
> > writes:
> > The last I heard (and I may have heard
> > wrong), the board was interested
> > in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
> > printing costs, so for me,
> > it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
> > agree, if POCA was missing out on
> > full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
> > then something is amiss.
> > However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
> > account for all costs
> > properly. I have more faith that the
> > present board members will
> > properly investigate and sort it out for
> > everyone.
> > I am on-board with electronic delivery,
> > though I do admit it's nice to
> > just sit back and read a paper copy too.
> > It's also easier to hand-off
> > to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
> > really fix that?
> > I would think (and I don't know), that the
> > ClubExpress membership
> > database might be able to include a
> > "preference" as part of the
> > member's profile or details. Just as I can
> > set an address and phone
> > number, if I could check a box for
> > Electronic delivery or paper copies,
> > or both, and select whatever I wanted for
> > each item (Profiles versus
> > Newsletter), that might be ideal.
> > However, I'm also familiar with quantity
> > discounting. It very well
> > could be that it costs the same amount to
> > print 500 as it does to print
> > 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
> > those are considerations the
> > board will look at as well.
> > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
> > claimed, I have heard (from more
> > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
> > not resign "because POCA
> > changed printers;" it was over "control"
> > of newsletter content that in
> > essence fell outside the bounds of the
> > by-laws. For a guy that appeared
> > to try very hard to get everyone else to
> > follow the by-laws (and it's
> > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
> > certainly didn't feel they
> > applied to him.
> > For the record, as I understand it, POCA
> > has changed printers -twice-
> > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
> > related to the DeRykes) got out of
> > the business. So the "family tie-in"
> > previously eluded to, was not a
> > factor in the resignations.
> > Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
> > inflation) Asa Jay
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
> > Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane,
> > WA
> > ******************************
> > [66]http://w7tsc.org
> > [67]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
> > Posted emails must not
> > exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing
> > list
> > [68]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > [69]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > To manage your subscription (change email
> > address, unsubscribe, etc.)
> > use the links above.
> > Members who post to this list grant
> > license to the list to forward any
> > message posted here to all past, current,
> > or future members of the
> > list. They also grant the list owner
> > permission to maintain an archive
> > or approve the archiving of list
> > messages.
> > To use a cliche, we're working on it.
> > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
> > pipeline. However, there are
> > restrictions, particularly with the
> > By-Laws as they currently stand.
> > There are no provisions for multiple dues
> > levels,
> > particularly pertaining to how a member
> > elects to have their club
> > publications delivered, etc. That will
> > take time as any changes or
> > amendments must be approved by the whole
> > membership.
> > The consensus seems to be that the
> > Profiles would continue as a print
> > publication for all except foreign members
> > who elect to receive it
> > digitally.
> > As far as printing is concerned, it is
> > that first copy that is so
> > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
> > that bring down the per unit
> > cost. So as fewer units are produced and
> > shipped, the cost per unit
> > increases but not proportionately.
> > An apples to apples comparison was made
> > between an online printer and
> > the current printer for both printing and
> > mailing and the difference
> > was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit
> > but for the whole run.
> > As far as I am concerned, it is the
> > editors who should have the most
> > influence as to how and where their
> > product is produced. They are the
> > ones who must work with the printers and
> > mailing houses on a regular
> > basis.
> > Bob Reid
> > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
> > Eastern Daylight Time,
> > [70]asajay at asajay.com
> > writes:
> > The last I heard (and I may have heard
> > wrong), the board was
> > interested
> > in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
> > printing costs, so for
> > me,
> > it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
> > agree, if POCA was missing out
> > on
> > full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
> > then something is amiss.
> > However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
> > account for all costs
> > properly. I have more faith that the
> > present board members will
> > properly investigate and sort it out for
> > everyone.
> > I am on-board with electronic delivery,
> > though I do admit it's nice
> > to
> > just sit back and read a paper copy too.
> > It's also easier to
> > hand-off
> > to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
> > really fix that?
> > I would think (and I don't know), that the
> > ClubExpress membership
> > database might be able to include a
> > "preference" as part of the
> > member's
> > profile or details. Just as I can set an
> > address and phone number,
> > if I
> > could check a box for Electronic delivery
> > or paper copies, or both,
> > and
> > select whatever I wanted for each item
> > (Profiles versus Newsletter),
> > that might be ideal.
> > However, I'm also familiar with quantity
> > discounting. It very well
> > could be that it costs the same amount to
> > print 500 as it does to
> > print
> > 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
> > those are considerations the
> > board will look at as well.
> > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
> > claimed, I have heard (from
> > more
> > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
> > not resign "because POCA
> > changed printers;" it was over "control"
> > of newsletter content that
> > in
> > essence fell outside the bounds of the
> > by-laws. For a guy that
> > appeared
> > to try very hard to get everyone else to
> > follow the by-laws (and
> > it's
> > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
> > certainly didn't feel they
> > applied
> > to him.
> > For the record, as I understand it, POCA
> > has changed printers
> > -twice-
> > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
> > related to the DeRykes) got out
> > of
> > the business. So the "family tie-in"
> > previously eluded to, was not
> > a
> > factor in the resignations.
> > Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
> > inflation)
> > Asa Jay
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
> > Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > [71]http://w7tsc.org
> > [72]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Detomaso Email List is not managed by
> > POCA
> > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
> > Megabytes
> > DeTomaso mailing list
> > [73]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > [74]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > To manage your subscription (change email
> > address, unsubscribe,
> > etc.) use the links above.
> > Members who post to this list grant
> > license to the list to forward
> > any message posted here to all past,
> > current, or future members of
> > the list. They also grant the list owner
> > permission to maintain an
> > archive or approve the archiving of list
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> > 15. http://w7tsc.org/
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> > 20. http://w7tsc.org/
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> > 28. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> > 30. http://w7tsc.org/
> > 31. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> > 32. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 33. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > 34. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> > 35. http://w7tsc.org/
> > 36. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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> > 44. mailto:edducati at mac.com
> > 45. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
> > 46.
http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-has-on
ly-78
5-miles-to-its-name/109069/
> > 47. mailto:edducati at mac.com
> > 48. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
> > 49.
http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-has
> > 50. mailto:edducati at mac.com?
> > 51. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
> > 52.
http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-has-on
ly-78
5-miles-to-its-name/109069/
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> > 54. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
> > 55. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
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> > 59. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
> > 60. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
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> > 64. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 65. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> > 66. http://w7tsc.org/
> > 67. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> > 68. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 69. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > 70. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> > 71. http://w7tsc.org/
> > 72. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> > 73. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 74. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > 75. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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I read the attachment, why wasn't it made public, if it's a true one,
it should have been.
From: Charles McCall [mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 2:22 AM
To: marshallgsmith
Cc: Michael Haney; Judith McCartney; Effie Richards; Julian Kift;
detomaso; laurie Basile
Subject: -- SPAM --Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
PS - if you read the attachment, you'll see that there is basically NO
savings by changing printers.
According to the quotes received, the $8000 savings was not correct.
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Charles McCall
<[1]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
You did all read the info sent by Judy McCartney last week with Jack's
explanation?
Re-sent here in case you didn't see it. Please open the attachment - I
promise no viruses are included
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 8:20 AM, marshallgsmith
<[2]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hey Michael,
I think the best way to put this controversy to bed is if you or
your
dad could speak about not being cooperative in regards to the the
use
of another printer that supposedly afforded the club an $8,000
savings.
That really seems to be the only issue that continues this
controversy
and I still haven't heard either of you discuss the allegation. I'm
sure your response will cut this thread for good and allow us all to
move on with the rebuilding of this great club.
Marshall Smith
President, San Diego Panteras
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Michael Haney <[3]paso750 at gmail.com>
Date: 8/15/16 10:36 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: 'Judith McCartney' <[4]jpoca2 at hotmail.com>, 'Effie Richards'
<[5]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>, 'Julian Kift'
<[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: [7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com, 'laurie Basile'
<[8]laurieferrari at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
Thank you very much, Judy.
I really wish this thread would just die.
I know that this isn't the answer you're fishing for, but it'll have
to
do
since it's the truth.
Nancy quit and took her associate (me) with her because she was
tired
of
hearing from me all about Shortt's efforts to take over every aspect
of
POCA.
I didn't fight her decision because I was in turn tired of Shortt's
intimidation and bullying tactics. Frankly, being on the Board
wasn't
fun
anymore and I was also very tired of Shortt's constant preening.
As a matter of record, I resigned from the Board BEFORE Profiles #3
even
went to the printer. I had nearly finished it and decided that I
didn't
want
to let the POCA members down. I really didn't want to contribute any
more to
Shortt's regime, but my conscience won.
Even after I sent the magazine in, I still had to deal with Shortt.
He
decided to interfere with the printer, sent them a database with a
whole
bunch of problematic info and threaten nonpayment if he didn't get
preliminary proofs. How do I know this? I received a call while I
was
at
work from the woman working in Allegra Printing's mail room. She
called
Shortt and he wouldn't help her with the database and ignored her
questions.
Having no one else to call, she called me. I in turn contacted Judy,
our
Membership Director, who fixed the problems that Shortt created.
Regarding Shortt's allegations of graft, if anyone can find a
connection
between my family and anyone who EVER worked at Allegra Printing in
Reno,
Nevada, (or indeed any of Allegra's branches) please let me know.
My Dad might respond as well, but he's been pretty busy caring for
my
SERIOUSLY ill Mom who was in the hospital for the last two weeks and
who
might finally be able to come back home in a couple more.
Now, can we finally put this "controversy" to rest?
Mike Haney
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
Of Judith McCartney
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 8:44 PM
To: Effie Richards; Julian Kift
Cc: [10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; laurie Basile
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
Mike Haney gave his resignation months way head of Jacks, two diff
reasons.
Judith McCartney, Membership Director & Fun Rally coordinator.
> From: [11]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 18:43:43 -0700
> To: [12]julian_kift at hotmail.com
> CC: [13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
[14]laurieferrari at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
>
> Julian these are the same questions some of us have had and have
been
waiting for a reply or statement. I'm willing to give the board some
time to
come up with one.
>
> Sent from Effie's iPad
>
> > On Aug 15, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Julian Kift
<[15]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > I have digested all the emails on this topic and to be honest
it
still
> > doesn't sit well in my gut.
> >
> >
> > Presumably the BOD voted in favor of changing printers based
upon
the
> > quotes presented. Did they not have all the facts and
> > if not why did they not question further? Did Jack have all
the
facts
w
> > hen he resigned or were his and Mike Haney's resignations
simply
an
> > outright stand against changing printer?
> >
> >
> > Why did Michael push to change printer if he knew there was
only
> > pennies between it?
> >
> >
> > Julian
> >
__________________________________________________________________
> >
> > From: DeTomaso <[16]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
on
behalf of
> > marshall smith <[17]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:11 AM
> > To: [18]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
[19]laurieferrari at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
> >
> > I find it funny that three months after the Fun Rally we are
now
> > hearing that Shortt's bid for printing did not include
shipping.
Shortt
> > is a lot of things but a mistake like this...?
> > I was listening in on this meeting also and I know what I
heard.
> > Apparently, the board convinced 'some' members of this
so-called
> > discrepancy month's ago. Why wasn't this information, if it
exists,
> > relayed to ALL of us in a timely manner?
> > Marshall
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Mon, 8/15/16, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
> > <[20]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] resignations
> > To: [21]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Date: Monday, August 15, 2016, 9:57 AM
> >
> > Dear AJ,
> >
> > I have always respected you and your
> > opinions but in this case you are
> > incorrect as far as the resignation of
> > Jack DeRyke. I was on the Board
> > of Directors' conference call where he was
> > asked to stay and he
> > adamantly refused to if the printer
> > changed. Jack's resignation was
> > specifically because of the change in
> > printer! You can go research
> > that phone conference call, or the minutes
> > of the meeting, as the facts
> > are saved. As far as Mike Haney's
> > resignation, that was done by his
> > Mrs. for their reasons which most likely
> > were aligned with their
> > parents.
> >
> > Laurie
> >
> > In a message dated 8/13/2016
> > 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,?
> > [1][22]asajay at asajay.com
> > writes:
> > The last? I heard (and I may have
> > heard wrong), the board was
> > interested
> > in doing a? -real- accounting
> > comparison of printing costs, so for
> > me,
> > it's a wait and? see kind of
> > thing.? I agree, if POCA was missing
> > out on
> > full-color? and paying $8,000 more
> > for B/W then something is amiss.?
> > However, I? also believe Mr. Shortt
> > didn't account for all costs
> > properly.? I? have more faith that
> > the present board members will
> > properly investigate? and sort it
> > out for everyone.
> > I am on-board with electronic
> > delivery,? though I do admit it's nice
> > to
> > just sit back and read a paper
> > copy? too.? It's also easier to
> > hand-off
> > to Sam so he can read it? later.?
> > How do you really fix that?
> > I would think (and I don't? know),
> > that the ClubExpress membership
> > database might be able to include
> > a? "preference" as part of the
> > member's
> > profile or details.? Just as I? can
> > set an address and phone number,
> > if I
> > could check a box for Electronic?
> > delivery or paper copies, or both,
> > and
> > select whatever I wanted for each?
> > item (Profiles versus
> > Newsletter),
> > that might be ideal.
> > However,? I'm also familiar with
> > quantity discounting.? It very well
> > could be? that it costs the same
> > amount to print 500 as it does to
> > print
> > 50, or 10? (but I doubt it).? I
> > imagine those are considerations the
> > board will? look at as well.
> > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie
> > has claimed, I have? heard (from
> > more
> > than one person), that Jack and
> > Mike did not resign? "because POCA
> > changed printers;" it was over
> > "control" of newsletter? content that
> > in
> > essence fell outside the bounds of
> > the by-laws.? For? a guy that
> > appeared
> > to try very hard to get everyone
> > else to follow the? by-laws (and
> > it's
> > unwritten code of ethics), Mr.
> > Shortt certainly didn't? feel they
> > applied
> > to him.
> > For the record, as I understand it,
> > POCA? has changed printers
> > -twice-
> > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
> > related? to the DeRykes) got out
> > of
> > the business.? So the "family
> > tie-in"? previously eluded to, was not
> > a
> > factor in the resignations.
> > Just my? $1.50? (two cents adjusted
> > for inflation)
> > Asa? Jay
> > Asa Jay? Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt,
> > USAFR, Retired
> > &? Shelley? Mar
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:27:43 -0700
> > From: marshallgsmith <[6][29]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: [7][30]P6746 at aol.com, [8][31]asajay at asajay.com,
> > [9][32]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
> > paper vs. electronic
> > Message-ID:
> >
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > I have a couple questions Bob:
> >> Calling this situation "multiple dues
> > levels" seems to be making the
> > issue too complex. There are some members
> > that are opting to not have
> > printed magazines mailed which should make
> > those members eligible for a
> > discount because of the savings.
> >> What is your estimate of the length
> > of time that it would take the
> > board to arrange for a vote of the
> > membership to change the bylaws to
> > allow for this discount?
> >> Who specifically made that
> > apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
> >> I agree that the editors should have
> > the most influence ?on the
> > process. ?However, our editors of both
> > publications seem to have a hard
> > time reporting to the members about ANY
> > issues pertaining to the
> > publication's themselves. Might that
> > change in the near future or will
> > radio silence be the norm here?
> > Marshall Smith
> > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
<[11][34]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
> > To: [12][35]asajay at asajay.com,
> > [13][36]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
> > paper vs. electronic
> > To use a cliche, we're working on it.?
> > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
> > pipeline.?? However, there
> > are
> > restrictions, particularly with the
> > By-Laws as they currently? stand.?
> > There
> > are no provisions for multiple dues
> > levels,? particularly pertaining to
> > how a
> > member elects to have their club?
> > publications delivered, etc.? That
> > will
> > take time as any changes or? amendments
> > must be approved by the whole
> > membership.
> > The consensus seems to be that the
> > Profiles would? continue as a print
> > publication for all except foreign members
> > who elect to? receive it
> > digitally.?
> > As far as printing is concerned, it is
> > that first copy that is? so
> > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
> > that bring down the per unit?
> > cost.? So as
> > fewer units are produced and shipped, the
> > cost per unit? increases but
> > not
> > proportionately.??
> > An apples to apples comparison was made
> > between an online? printer and
> > the
> > current printer for both printing and
> > mailing and the difference? was
> > pennies.? That wasn't pennies per unit but
> > for the whole run.?
> > As far as I am concerned, it is the
> > editors who should have? the most
> > influence as to how and where their
> > product is produced.? They are? the
> > ones who
> > must work with the printers and mailing
> > houses on a regular? basis.
> > Bob Reid?
> > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
> > Eastern Daylight Time,?
> > [14][37]asajay at asajay.com
> > writes:
> > The last? I heard (and I may have heard
> > wrong), the board was
> > interested
> > in doing a? -real- accounting comparison
> > of printing costs, so for me,
> > it's a wait and? see kind of thing.? I
> > agree, if POCA was missing out
> > on
> > full-color? and paying $8,000 more for B/W
> > then something is amiss.?
> > However, I? also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
> > account for all costs
> > properly.? I? have more faith that the
> > present board members will
> > properly investigate? and sort it out for
> > everyone.
> > I am on-board with electronic delivery,?
> > though I do admit it's nice to
> > just sit back and read a paper copy? too.?
> > It's also easier to hand-off
> > to Sam so he can read it? later.? How do
> > you really fix that?
> > I would think (and I don't? know), that
> > the ClubExpress membership
> > database might be able to include a?
> > "preference" as part of the
> > member's
> > profile or details.? Just as I? can set an
> > address and phone number, if
> > I
> > could check a box for Electronic? delivery
> > or paper copies, or both,
> > and
> > select whatever I wanted for each? item
> > (Profiles versus Newsletter),
> > that might be ideal.
> > However,? I'm also familiar with quantity
> > discounting.? It very well
> > could be? that it costs the same amount to
> > print 500 as it does to
> > print
> > 50, or 10? (but I doubt it).? I imagine
> > those are considerations the
> > board will? look at as well.
> > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
> > claimed, I have? heard (from
> > more
> > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
> > not resign? "because POCA
> > changed printers;" it was over "control"
> > of newsletter? content that in
> > essence fell outside the bounds of the
> > by-laws.? For? a guy that
> > appeared
> > to try very hard to get everyone else to
> > follow the? by-laws (and it's
> > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
> > certainly didn't? feel they
> > applied
> > to him.
> > For the record, as I understand it, POCA?
> > has changed printers -twice-
> > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
> > related? to the DeRykes) got out of
> > the business.? So the "family tie-in"?
> > previously eluded to, was not a
> > factor in the resignations.
> > Just my? $1.50? (two cents adjusted for
> > inflation)
> > Asa? Jay
> > Asa Jay? Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
> > Retired
> > &? Shelley? Marie
> > Spokane,? WA
> > ******************************
> > [15][38]http://w7tsc.org
> > [16][39]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Detomaso? Email List is not managed by
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> > also grant the list owner permission to
> > maintain an archive or? approve
> > the
> > archiving of list? messages.
> > ?? To use a cliche, we're working on it.
> > ?? Most of what has been mentioned is in
> > the pipeline.? However, there
> > are
> > ?? restrictions, particularly with the
> > By-Laws as they currently stand.
> > ?? There are no provisions for multiple
> > dues levels,
> > ?? particularly pertaining to how a member
> > elects to have their club
> > ?? publications delivered, etc.? That will
> > take time as any changes or
> > ?? amendments must be approved by the
> > whole membership.
> > ?? The consensus seems to be that the
> > Profiles would continue as a
> > print
> > ?? publication for all except foreign
> > members who elect to receive it
> > ?? digitally.
> > ?? As far as printing is concerned, it is
> > that first copy that is so
> > ?? expensive, it is the subsequent copies
> > that bring down the per unit
> > ?? cost.? So as fewer units are produced
> > and shipped, the cost per unit
> > ?? increases but not proportionately.
> > ?? An apples to apples comparison was made
> > between an online printer
> > and
> > ?? the current printer for both printing
> > and mailing and the difference
> > ?? was pennies.? That wasn't pennies per
> > unit but for the whole run.
> > ?? As far as I am concerned, it is the
> > editors who should have the most
> > ?? influence as to how and where their
> > product is produced.? They are
> > the
> > ?? ones who must work with the printers
> > and mailing houses on a regular
> > ?? basis.
> > ?? Bob Reid
> > ?? In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24
> > P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > ?? [19][42]asajay at asajay.com
> > writes:
> > ???? The last I heard (and I may have
> > heard wrong), the board was
> > ???? interested
> > ???? in doing a -real- accounting
> > comparison of printing costs, so for
> > ???? me,
> > ???? it's a wait and see kind of thing.? I
> > agree, if POCA was missing
> > out
> > ???? on
> > ???? full-color and paying $8,000 more for
> > B/W then something is amiss.
> > ???? However, I also believe Mr. Shortt
> > didn't account for all costs
> > ???? properly.? I have more faith that the
> > present board members will
> > ???? properly investigate and sort it out
> > for everyone.
> > ???? I am on-board with electronic
> > delivery, though I do admit it's
> > nice
> > ???? to
> > ???? just sit back and read a paper copy
> > too.? It's also easier to
> > ???? hand-off
> > ???? to Sam so he can read it later.? How
> > do you really fix that?
> > ???? I would think (and I don't know),
> > that the ClubExpress membership
> > ???? database might be able to include a
> > "preference" as part of the
> > ???? member's
> > ???? profile or details.? Just as I can
> > set an address and phone
> > number,
> > ???? if I
> > ???? could check a box for Electronic
> > delivery or paper copies, or
> > both,
> > ???? and
> > ???? select whatever I wanted for each
> > item (Profiles versus
> > Newsletter),
> > ???? that might be ideal.
> > ???? However, I'm also familiar with
> > quantity discounting.? It very
> > well
> > ???? could be that it costs the same
> > amount to print 500 as it does to
> > ???? print
> > ???? 50, or 10 (but I doubt it).? I
> > imagine those are considerations
> > the
> > ???? board will look at as well.
> > ???? Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie
> > has claimed, I have heard (from
> > ???? more
> > ???? than one person), that Jack and Mike
> > did not resign "because POCA
> > ???? changed printers;" it was over
> > "control" of newsletter content
> > that
> > ???? in
> > ???? essence fell outside the bounds of
> > the by-laws.? For a guy that
> > ???? appeared
> > ???? to try very hard to get everyone else
> > to follow the by-laws (and
> > ???? it's
> > ???? unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
> > certainly didn't feel they
> > ???? applied
> > ???? to him.
> > ???? For the record, as I understand it,
> > POCA has changed printers
> > ???? -twice-
> > ???? since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
> > related to the DeRykes) got
> > out
> > ???? of
> > ???? the business.? So the "family tie-in"
> > previously eluded to, was
> > not
> > ???? a
> > ???? factor in the resignations.
> > ???? Just my $1.50? (two cents adjusted
> > for inflation)
> > ???? Asa? Jay
> > ???? Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt,
> > USAFR, Retired
> > ???? &? Shelley Marie
> > ???? Spokane, WA
> > ???? ******************************
> > ???? [20][43]http://w7tsc.org
> > ???? [21][44]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> > ????
> > _______________________________________________
> > ???? Detomaso Email List is not managed by
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> > Megabytes
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> > -------------- next part --------------
> > I have a couple questions Bob:
> >> Calling this situation "multiple dues
> > levels" seems to be making the
> > issue too complex. There are some members
> > that are opting to not have
> > printed magazines mailed which should make
> > those members eligible for a
> > discount because of the savings.
> >> What is your estimate of the length
> > of time that it would take the
> > board to arrange for a vote of the
> > membership to change the bylaws to
> > allow for this discount?
> >> Who specifically made that
> > apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
> >> I agree that the editors should have
> > the most influence on the
> > process. However, our editors of both
> > publications seem to have a hard
> > time reporting to the members about ANY
> > issues pertaining to the
> > publication's themselves. Might that
> > change in the near future or will
> > radio silence be the norm here?
> > Marshall Smith
> > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
<[26][49]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
> > To: [27][50]asajay at asajay.com,
> > [28][51]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
> > paper vs. electronic
> > To use a cliche, we're working on it.
> > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
> > pipeline. However, there
> > are
> > restrictions, particularly with the
> > By-Laws as they currently stand.
> > There
> > are no provisions for multiple dues
> > levels, particularly pertaining to
> > how a
> > member elects to have their club
> > publications delivered, etc. That
> > will
> > take time as any changes or amendments
> > must be approved by the whole
> > membership.
> > The consensus seems to be that the
> > Profiles would continue as a print
> > publication for all except foreign members
> > who elect to receive it
> > digitally.
> > As far as printing is concerned, it is
> > that first copy that is so
> > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
> > that bring down the per unit
> > cost. So as
> > fewer units are produced and shipped, the
> > cost per unit increases but
> > not
> > proportionately.
> > An apples to apples comparison was made
> > between an online printer and
> > the
> > current printer for both printing and
> > mailing and the difference was
> > pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but
> > for the whole run.
> > As far as I am concerned, it is the
> > editors who should have the most
> > influence as to how and where their
> > product is produced. They are the
> > ones who
> > must work with the printers and mailing
> > houses on a regular basis.
> > Bob Reid
> > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
> > Eastern Daylight Time,
> > [29][52]asajay at asajay.com
> > writes:
> > The last I heard (and I may have heard
> > wrong), the board was
> > interested
> > in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
> > printing costs, so for me,
> > it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
> > agree, if POCA was missing out
> > on
> > full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
> > then something is amiss.
> > However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
> > account for all costs
> > properly. I have more faith that the
> > present board members will
> > properly investigate and sort it out for
> > everyone.
> > I am on-board with electronic delivery,
> > though I do admit it's nice to
> > just sit back and read a paper copy too.
> > It's also easier to hand-off
> > to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
> > really fix that?
> > I would think (and I don't know), that the
> > ClubExpress membership
> > database might be able to include a
> > "preference" as part of the
> > member's
> > profile or details. Just as I can set an
> > address and phone number, if
> > I
> > could check a box for Electronic delivery
> > or paper copies, or both,
> > and
> > select whatever I wanted for each item
> > (Profiles versus Newsletter),
> > that might be ideal.
> > However, I'm also familiar with quantity
> > discounting. It very well
> > could be that it costs the same amount to
> > print 500 as it does to
> > print
> > 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
> > those are considerations the
> > board will look at as well.
> > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
> > claimed, I have heard (from
> > more
> > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
> > not resign "because POCA
> > changed printers;" it was over "control"
> > of newsletter content that in
> > essence fell outside the bounds of the
> > by-laws. For a guy that
> > appeared
> > to try very hard to get everyone else to
> > follow the by-laws (and it's
> > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
> > certainly didn't feel they
> > applied
> > to him.
> > For the record, as I understand it, POCA
> > has changed printers -twice-
> > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
> > related to the DeRykes) got out of
> > the business. So the "family tie-in"
> > previously eluded to, was not a
> > factor in the resignations.
> > Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
> > inflation)
> > Asa Jay
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
> > Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > [30][53]http://w7tsc.org
> > [31][54]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Detomaso Email List is not managed by
> > POCA
> > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
> > Megabytes
> > DeTomaso mailing list
> > [32][55]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >
[33][56]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > To manage your subscription (change email
> > address, unsubscribe, etc.)
> > use
> > the links above.
> > Members who post to this list grant
> > license to the list to forward any
> > message posted here to all past, current,
> > or future members of the
> > list. They
> > also grant the list owner permission to
> > maintain an archive or approve
> > the
> > archiving of list messages.
> > To use a cliche, we're working on it.
> > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
> > pipeline. However, there
> > are
> > restrictions, particularly with the
> > By-Laws as they currently stand.
> > There are no provisions for multiple dues
> > levels,
> > particularly pertaining to how a member
> > elects to have their club
> > publications delivered, etc. That will
> > take time as any changes or
> > amendments must be approved by the whole
> > membership.
> > The consensus seems to be that the
> > Profiles would continue as a
> > print
> > publication for all except foreign members
> > who elect to receive it
> > digitally.
> > As far as printing is concerned, it is
> > that first copy that is so
> > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
> > that bring down the per unit
> > cost. So as fewer units are produced and
> > shipped, the cost per unit
> > increases but not proportionately.
> > An apples to apples comparison was made
> > between an online printer
> > and
> > the current printer for both printing and
> > mailing and the difference
> > was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit
> > but for the whole run.
> > As far as I am concerned, it is the
> > editors who should have the most
> > influence as to how and where their
> > product is produced. They are
> > the
> > ones who must work with the printers and
> > mailing houses on a regular
> > basis.
> > Bob Reid
> > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
> > Eastern Daylight Time,
> > [34][57]asajay at asajay.com
> > writes:
> > The last I heard (and I may have heard
> > wrong), the board was
> > interested
> > in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
> > printing costs, so for
> > me,
> > it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
> > agree, if POCA was missing
> > out
> > on
> > full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
> > then something is amiss.
> > However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
> > account for all costs
> > properly. I have more faith that the
> > present board members will
> > properly investigate and sort it out for
> > everyone.
> > I am on-board with electronic delivery,
> > though I do admit it's
> > nice
> > to
> > just sit back and read a paper copy too.
> > It's also easier to
> > hand-off
> > to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
> > really fix that?
> > I would think (and I don't know), that the
> > ClubExpress membership
> > database might be able to include a
> > "preference" as part of the
> > member's
> > profile or details. Just as I can set an
> > address and phone
> > number,
> > if I
> > could check a box for Electronic delivery
> > or paper copies, or
> > both,
> > and
> > select whatever I wanted for each item
> > (Profiles versus
> > Newsletter),
> > that might be ideal.
> > However, I'm also familiar with quantity
> > discounting. It very
> > well
> > could be that it costs the same amount to
> > print 500 as it does to
> > print
> > 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
> > those are considerations
> > the
> > board will look at as well.
> > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
> > claimed, I have heard (from
> > more
> > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
> > not resign "because POCA
> > changed printers;" it was over "control"
> > of newsletter content
> > that
> > in
> > essence fell outside the bounds of the
> > by-laws. For a guy that
> > appeared
> > to try very hard to get everyone else to
> > follow the by-laws (and
> > it's
> > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
> > certainly didn't feel they
> > applied
> > to him.
> > For the record, as I understand it, POCA
> > has changed printers
> > -twice-
> > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
> > related to the DeRykes) got
> > out
> > of
> > the business. So the "family tie-in"
> > previously eluded to, was
> > not
> > a
> > factor in the resignations.
> > Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
> > inflation)
> > Asa Jay
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
> > Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > [35][58]http://w7tsc.org
> > [36][59]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> > _______________________________________________
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> > POCA
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> >
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> > ------------------------------
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:56:45 -0700
> > From: Michael Cox <[41][64]coxmichaelt at gmail.com>
> > To: [42][65]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera
> > GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
> > Message-ID:
> >
<CAMPkPf3HQcqg5vLxgjpJP=7z=UBbrVs=[43][66]ynAnbzepC1U9QH+A_Q at mail.gmail
> > .com
> >>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >> From: Ed Mendez <[44][67]edducati at mac.com>
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera
> > GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
> >>
> >> Hi! I found this on eBay and thought
> > you might like it! Check it out
> > now! De Tomaso:
> >> Other Pantera GTS [45][68]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
> > These guys found that ad too. :^)
> >
[46][69]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
> > a-ha
> > s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
> > --michael cox
> > -------------- next part --------------
> >> From: Ed Mendez <[1][47][70]edducati at mac.com>
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera
> > GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
> >> A
> >> Hi! I found this on eBay and thought
> > you might like it! Check it out
> > now!A De Tomaso:
> >> Other Pantera GTSA [2][48][71]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
> > These guys found that ad too. A :^)
> >
[3][49][72]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pan
> > tera
> > -has
> > -only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
> > A A --michael cox
> > References
> > 1. [50]mailto:[73]edducati at mac.com
> > 2. [51][74]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
> > 3.
> >
[52][75]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
> > a-ha
> > s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
> > ------------------------------
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 08:05:15 -0700
> > From: "Stephen" <[53][76]steve at snclocks.com>
> > To: "'marshallgsmith'"
<[54][77]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
> > <[55][78]P6746 at aol.com>,
> > <[56][79]asajay at asajay.com>,
> > <[57][80]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
> > paper vs. electronic
> > Message-ID:
> > <004701d1f706$6ead4a50$4c07def0$@[81]snclocks.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > Having been on Boards before - I'd suggest
> > the current Board deserves
> > some time to catch their breath and
> > recover from the situation they
> > have recently been through. It is amazing
> > how much time something like
> > this takes - and I suspect everyone on the
> > Board would like to catch up
> > on all the things they have let slide
> > while coping with the removal of
> > a president and all the animosity and
> > e-mails the whole mess generated.
> > It's so easy to ask questions - but takes
> > a lot more time to figure out
> > how to do everything asked below. For now,
> > let's just let the Board
> > recover and slowly get some of the loose
> > ends taken care of.
> > Stephen Nelson
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso
> > [[58]mailto:[82]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> > On
> > Behalf Of marshallgsmith
> > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 8:28 PM
> > To: [59][83]P6746 at aol.com; [60][84]asajay at asajay.com;
> > [61][85]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
> > paper vs. electronic
> > I have a couple questions Bob:
> >> Calling this situation "multiple dues
> > levels" seems to be making the
> > issue too complex. There are some members
> > that are opting to not have
> > printed magazines mailed which should make
> > those members eligible for a
> > discount because of the savings.
> >> What is your estimate of the length
> > of time that it would take the
> > board to arrange for a vote of the
> > membership to change the bylaws to
> > allow for this discount?
> >> Who specifically made that
> > apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
> >> I agree that the editors should have
> > the most influence on the
> > process. However, our editors of both
> > publications seem to have a hard
> > time reporting to the members about ANY
> > issues pertaining to the
> > publication's themselves. Might that
> > change in the near future or will
> > radio silence be the norm here?
> > Marshall Smith
> > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
<[62][86]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
> > To: [63][87]asajay at asajay.com,
> > [64][88]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost,
> > paper vs. electronic
> > To use a cliche, we're working on it.
> > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
> > pipeline. However, there are
> > restrictions, particularly with the
> > By-Laws as they currently stand.
> > There are no provisions for multiple dues
> > levels, particularly
> > pertaining to how a member elects to have
> > their club publications
> > delivered, etc. That will take time as any
> > changes or amendments must
> > be approved by the whole membership.
> > The consensus seems to be that the
> > Profiles would continue as a print
> > publication for all except foreign members
> > who elect to receive it
> > digitally.
> > As far as printing is concerned, it is
> > that first copy that is so
> > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
> > that bring down the per unit
> > cost. So as fewer units are produced and
> > shipped, the cost per unit
> > increases but not proportionately.
> > An apples to apples comparison was made
> > between an online printer and
> > the current printer for both printing and
> > mailing and the difference
> > was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit
> > but for the whole run.
> > As far as I am concerned, it is the
> > editors who should have the most
> > influence as to how and where their
> > product is produced. They are the
> > ones who must work with the printers and
> > mailing houses on a regular
> > basis.
> > Bob Reid
> > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
> > Eastern Daylight Time,
> > [65][89]asajay at asajay.com
> > writes:
> > The last I heard (and I may have heard
> > wrong), the board was interested
> > in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
> > printing costs, so for me,
> > it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
> > agree, if POCA was missing out on
> > full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
> > then something is amiss.
> > However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
> > account for all costs
> > properly. I have more faith that the
> > present board members will
> > properly investigate and sort it out for
> > everyone.
> > I am on-board with electronic delivery,
> > though I do admit it's nice to
> > just sit back and read a paper copy too.
> > It's also easier to hand-off
> > to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
> > really fix that?
> > I would think (and I don't know), that the
> > ClubExpress membership
> > database might be able to include a
> > "preference" as part of the
> > member's profile or details. Just as I can
> > set an address and phone
> > number, if I could check a box for
> > Electronic delivery or paper copies,
> > or both, and select whatever I wanted for
> > each item (Profiles versus
> > Newsletter), that might be ideal.
> > However, I'm also familiar with quantity
> > discounting. It very well
> > could be that it costs the same amount to
> > print 500 as it does to print
> > 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
> > those are considerations the
> > board will look at as well.
> > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
> > claimed, I have heard (from more
> > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
> > not resign "because POCA
> > changed printers;" it was over "control"
> > of newsletter content that in
> > essence fell outside the bounds of the
> > by-laws. For a guy that appeared
> > to try very hard to get everyone else to
> > follow the by-laws (and it's
> > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
> > certainly didn't feel they
> > applied to him.
> > For the record, as I understand it, POCA
> > has changed printers -twice-
> > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
> > related to the DeRykes) got out of
> > the business. So the "family tie-in"
> > previously eluded to, was not a
> > factor in the resignations.
> > Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
> > inflation) Asa Jay
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
> > Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane,
> > WA
> > ******************************
> > [66][90]http://w7tsc.org
> > [67][91]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
> > Posted emails must not
> > exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing
> > list
> > [68][92]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >
[69][93]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > To manage your subscription (change email
> > address, unsubscribe, etc.)
> > use the links above.
> > Members who post to this list grant
> > license to the list to forward any
> > message posted here to all past, current,
> > or future members of the
> > list. They also grant the list owner
> > permission to maintain an archive
> > or approve the archiving of list
> > messages.
> > To use a cliche, we're working on it.
> > Most of what has been mentioned is in the
> > pipeline. However, there are
> > restrictions, particularly with the
> > By-Laws as they currently stand.
> > There are no provisions for multiple dues
> > levels,
> > particularly pertaining to how a member
> > elects to have their club
> > publications delivered, etc. That will
> > take time as any changes or
> > amendments must be approved by the whole
> > membership.
> > The consensus seems to be that the
> > Profiles would continue as a print
> > publication for all except foreign members
> > who elect to receive it
> > digitally.
> > As far as printing is concerned, it is
> > that first copy that is so
> > expensive, it is the subsequent copies
> > that bring down the per unit
> > cost. So as fewer units are produced and
> > shipped, the cost per unit
> > increases but not proportionately.
> > An apples to apples comparison was made
> > between an online printer and
> > the current printer for both printing and
> > mailing and the difference
> > was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit
> > but for the whole run.
> > As far as I am concerned, it is the
> > editors who should have the most
> > influence as to how and where their
> > product is produced. They are the
> > ones who must work with the printers and
> > mailing houses on a regular
> > basis.
> > Bob Reid
> > In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M.
> > Eastern Daylight Time,
> > [70][94]asajay at asajay.com
> > writes:
> > The last I heard (and I may have heard
> > wrong), the board was
> > interested
> > in doing a -real- accounting comparison of
> > printing costs, so for
> > me,
> > it's a wait and see kind of thing. I
> > agree, if POCA was missing out
> > on
> > full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W
> > then something is amiss.
> > However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't
> > account for all costs
> > properly. I have more faith that the
> > present board members will
> > properly investigate and sort it out for
> > everyone.
> > I am on-board with electronic delivery,
> > though I do admit it's nice
> > to
> > just sit back and read a paper copy too.
> > It's also easier to
> > hand-off
> > to Sam so he can read it later. How do you
> > really fix that?
> > I would think (and I don't know), that the
> > ClubExpress membership
> > database might be able to include a
> > "preference" as part of the
> > member's
> > profile or details. Just as I can set an
> > address and phone number,
> > if I
> > could check a box for Electronic delivery
> > or paper copies, or both,
> > and
> > select whatever I wanted for each item
> > (Profiles versus Newsletter),
> > that might be ideal.
> > However, I'm also familiar with quantity
> > discounting. It very well
> > could be that it costs the same amount to
> > print 500 as it does to
> > print
> > 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine
> > those are considerations the
> > board will look at as well.
> > Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has
> > claimed, I have heard (from
> > more
> > than one person), that Jack and Mike did
> > not resign "because POCA
> > changed printers;" it was over "control"
> > of newsletter content that
> > in
> > essence fell outside the bounds of the
> > by-laws. For a guy that
> > appeared
> > to try very hard to get everyone else to
> > follow the by-laws (and
> > it's
> > unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt
> > certainly didn't feel they
> > applied
> > to him.
> > For the record, as I understand it, POCA
> > has changed printers
> > -twice-
> > since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were
> > related to the DeRykes) got out
> > of
> > the business. So the "family tie-in"
> > previously eluded to, was not
> > a
> > factor in the resignations.
> > Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for
> > inflation)
> > Asa Jay
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR,
> > Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > [71][95]http://w7tsc.org
> > [72][96]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Detomaso Email List is not managed by
> > POCA
> > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5
> > Megabytes
> > DeTomaso mailing list
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> > ------------------------------
> > End of DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 20
> > *****************************************
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. [1]mailto:[103]asajay at asajay.com
> > 2. [2]mailto:[104]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 3.
[3][105]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > 4. [4]mailto:[106]request at server.detomasolist.com
> > 5. [5]mailto:[107]owner at server.detomasolist.com
> > 6. [6]mailto:[108]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
> > 7. [7]mailto:[109]P6746 at aol.com
> > 8. [8]mailto:[110]asajay at asajay.com
> > 9. [9]mailto:[111]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 10.
> >
[10]mailto:[112]sdxpj9k7caacwyvlamgw7uly.1471231663405 at email.android.co
m
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> > 16. [16][118]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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> > 18.
[18][120]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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[23][125]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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> > 25.
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> > 38.
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> > 40.
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> > 43. [43]mailto:[145]ynAnbzepC1U9QH+A_Q at mail.gmail.com
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> > 45. [45][147]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
> > 46.
> >
[46][148]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pante
ra-ha
> > s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
> > 47. [47]mailto:[149]edducati at mac.com
> > 48. [48][150]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
> > 49.
> >
[49][151]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pante
ra-ha
> > s
> > 50. [50]mailto:[152]edducati at mac.com?
> > 51. [51][153]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
> > 52.
> >
[52][154]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pante
ra-ha
> > s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
> > 53. [53]mailto:[155]steve at snclocks.com
> > 54. [54]mailto:[156]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
> > 55. [55]mailto:[157]P6746 at aol.com
> > 56. [56]mailto:[158]asajay at asajay.com
> > 57. [57]mailto:[159]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 58.
[58]mailto:[160]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
> > 59. [59]mailto:[161]P6746 at aol.com
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> > 65. [65]mailto:[167]asajay at asajay.com
> > 66. [66][168]http://w7tsc.org/
> > 67. [67][169]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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> > 69.
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> > 74.
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> > 77. [77]mailto:[179]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 78.
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> > 7. mailto:[191]P6746 at aol.com
> > 8. mailto:[192]asajay at asajay.com
> > 9. mailto:[193]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 10.
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> > 11. mailto:[195]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 12. mailto:[196]asajay at asajay.com
> > 13. mailto:[197]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 14. mailto:[198]asajay at asajay.com
> > 15. [199]http://w7tsc.org/
> > 16. [200]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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> > 18.
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> > 19. mailto:[203]asajay at asajay.com
> > 20. [204]http://w7tsc.org/
> > 21. [205]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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> > 28. mailto:[212]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 29. mailto:[213]asajay at asajay.com
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> > 31. [215]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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> > 39. mailto:[223]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 40.
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> > 41. mailto:[225]coxmichaelt at gmail.com
> > 42. mailto:[226]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> > 46.
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as-on
ly-78
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[236]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-h
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ly-78
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> > 61. mailto:[245]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 62. mailto:[246]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> > 72. [256]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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> > 78.
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> > 79.
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