[DeTomaso] Effie

Tue Aug 16 00:09:33 EDT 2016

Thank you for your kind words Laurie! I appreciate it! I  yes I finished all my schooling in Greece and came here at 23 with my American husband who was serving in the Navy. 
have been working for over 39 years for the same wonderful mentor, who allowed me to learn the ins and outs of development, construction, real estate and hotel management. He entrusted me with managing all his real estate assets including financing and his family's as well when he retired 12 years ago and moved to NY.  The reason I'm still the one running his business is not just loyalty but character, as I have previously said. I have his trust and always his back. I earned those.
I don't think POCA would ever want me because I ask too many questions! I plan on retiring the end of 2017 and then I will do volunteer work "protecting the innocent"!

Sent from Effie's iPad

> On Aug 15, 2016, at 8:48 PM, laurieferrari at aol.com wrote:
> 
> Did you go to school in Greece?  You certainly put in a great deal of time with your studies and mastered English beautifully.  Maybe you'd like to be nominated for the Board? Not joking! I realize you have an important job, but maybe you'd consider it?
> Laurie  
> That is an awesome story, Terry! Great one to share with us all.
> Those young people appear to have it all! Your grandson sounds pretty awesome too! You know, I graduated from high school with an associate degree as well. Went to school Monday through Saturday, 6 days/week, then took classes in English language in evenings. Good thing since I ended up living in America at age 23!
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Effie Richards <erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>
> To: 'Himes, Terry (397C)' (397C)' <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>; 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; laurieferrari <laurieferrari at aol.com>; detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2016 11:45 am
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Sam
> 
> That is an awesome story, Terry! Great one to share with us all.
> Those young people appear to have it all! Your grandson sounds pretty awesome too! You know, I graduated from high school with an associate degree as well. Went to school Monday through Saturday, 6 days/week, then took classes in English language in evenings. Good thing since I ended up living in America at age 23!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C)
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:34 AM
> To: Ken Green; laurieferrari at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sam
> 
> Ken (et al),
> 
> My dad said the same thing about me listening too much to Beatle music. LOL ;-) Then I started a band and played with people like Bob Seger (Seger System), Amboy Dukes, and the Scott Richard Case all over southern Michigan. Brought in some cash doing it too.
> 
> The kids that I work with, and even hire (20 something millennial's) do seem to spend too much time with their phones constantly. But when I nailed them down about it, they said they are keeping in-touch with their friends. They all have formed a group of new-hires and keep in-touch constantly. Seems weird to me, but that is their social network. They plan all week for their outdoors trips on the weekend.
> They go to the Sequoia Nat'l forest, Kings Canyon, and Sierra Nevada mountains almost EVERY weekend. They go hiking, rock-climbing, camping, and in winter skiing. Last weekend them climbed Mt Whitney. Outstanding.
> 
> My 17 year old grandson is addicted to video games. But he is a straight "A" student, plays soccer and Lacrosse all weekend, and will graduate high-school with almost an "Associates Degree" from the local college courses he takes.
> 
> So, whenever, I think the world is going "to hell innna hand basket" I step back and think, maybe it's just different than when I grew up. I think kids today are amazing. And smart.
> 
> Just my opinion.
> 
> Terry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
> 
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> Fax: (818) 393-3147
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> 
> 
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
> Reply-To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com<mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com>>
> Date: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:58 AM
> To: "laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>" <laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sam
> 
> 
> Laurie,
> The same young people spend the rest of the day glued to their smart phones unaware of the physical world around them. I suspect they also have no interest in cars unless the cars are in a video game. They have one foot in the Matrix and would not object to living in virtual realty if that could be arranged. I worry about the future of mankind.
> Ken
> From: Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
> To: laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sam
> 
> p.s. In my experience with young people of the day, they are more
> adapted to and capable of reading electronic material than most adults
> I know. Many classrooms now use Ipads.
> 
> Laurie
> 
> I am on-board with electronic delivery,? though I do admit it's nice
> to
> just sit back and read a paper copy? too.? It's also easier to
> hand-off
> to Sam so he can read it? later.? How do you really fix that?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: laurieferrari <laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>>
> To: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
> Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2016 9:57 am
> Subject: Re: resignations
> Dear AJ,
> I have always respected you and your opinions but in this case you are
> incorrect as far as the resignation of Jack DeRyke. I was on the Board
> of Directors' conference call where he was asked to stay and he
> adamantly refused to if the printer changed. Jack's resignation was
> specifically because of the change in printer! You can go research
> that phone conference call, or the minutes of the meeting, as the facts
> are saved. As far as Mike Haney's resignation, that was done by his
> Mrs. for their reasons which most likely were aligned with their
> parents.
> Laurie
> 
> In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,?
> [1]asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com> writes:
> The last? I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was
> interested
> in doing a? -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for
> me,
> it's a wait and? see kind of thing.? I agree, if POCA was missing
> out on
> full-color? and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss.?
> However, I? also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs
> properly.? I? have more faith that the present board members will
> properly investigate? and sort it out for everyone.
> I am on-board with electronic delivery,? though I do admit it's nice
> to
> just sit back and read a paper copy? too.? It's also easier to
> hand-off
> to Sam so he can read it? later.? How do you really fix that?
> I would think (and I don't? know), that the ClubExpress membership
> database might be able to include a? "preference" as part of the
> member's
> profile or details.? Just as I? can set an address and phone number,
> if I
> could check a box for Electronic? delivery or paper copies, or both,
> and
> select whatever I wanted for each? item (Profiles versus
> Newsletter),
> that might be ideal.
> However,? I'm also familiar with quantity discounting.? It very well
> could be? that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to
> print
> 50, or 10? (but I doubt it).? I imagine those are considerations the
> board will? look at as well.
> Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have? heard (from
> more
> than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign? "because POCA
> changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter? content that
> in
> essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws.? For? a guy that
> appeared
> to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the? by-laws (and
> it's
> unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't? feel they
> applied
> to him.
> For the record, as I understand it, POCA? has changed printers
> -twice-
> since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related? to the DeRykes) got out
> of
> the business.? So the "family tie-in"? previously eluded to, was not
> a
> factor in the resignations.
> Just my? $1.50? (two cents adjusted for inflation)
> Asa? Jay
> Asa Jay? Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> &? Shelley? Mar
> 
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> I have a couple questions Bob:
> > Calling this situation "multiple dues levels" seems to be making the
> issue too complex. There are some members that are opting to not have
> printed magazines mailed which should make those members eligible for a
> discount because of the savings.
> > What is your estimate of the length of time that it would take the
> board to arrange for a vote of the membership to change the bylaws to
> allow for this discount?
> > Who specifically made that apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
> > I agree that the editors should have the most influence ?on the
> process. ?However, our editors of both publications seem to have a hard
> time reporting to the members about ANY issues pertaining to the
> publication's themselves. Might that change in the near future or will
> radio silence be the norm here?
> Marshall Smith
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: P6746--- via DeTomaso <[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
> Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: [14]asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>, [15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
> To use a cliche, we're working on it.?
> Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline.?? However, there
> are
> restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently? stand.?
> There
> are no provisions for multiple dues levels,? particularly pertaining to
> how a
> member elects to have their club? publications delivered, etc.? That
> will
> take time as any changes or? amendments must be approved by the whole
> membership.
> The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would? continue as a print
> publication for all except foreign members who elect to? receive it
> digitally.?
> As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is? so
> expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit?
> cost.? So as
> fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit? increases but
> not
> proportionately.??
> An apples to apples comparison was made between an online? printer and
> the
> current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference? was
> pennies.? That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run.?
> As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have? the most
> influence as to how and where their product is produced.? They are? the
> ones who
> must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular? basis.
> Bob Reid?
> In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,?
> [16]asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com> writes:
> The last? I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was
> interested
> in doing a? -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for me,
> it's a wait and? see kind of thing.? I agree, if POCA was missing out
> on
> full-color? and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss.?
> However, I? also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs
> properly.? I? have more faith that the present board members will
> properly investigate? and sort it out for everyone.
> I am on-board with electronic delivery,? though I do admit it's nice to
> just sit back and read a paper copy? too.? It's also easier to hand-off
> to Sam so he can read it? later.? How do you really fix that?
> I would think (and I don't? know), that the ClubExpress membership
> database might be able to include a? "preference" as part of the
> member's
> profile or details.? Just as I? can set an address and phone number, if
> I
> could check a box for Electronic? delivery or paper copies, or both,
> and
> select whatever I wanted for each? item (Profiles versus Newsletter),
> that might be ideal.
> However,? I'm also familiar with quantity discounting.? It very well
> could be? that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to
> print
> 50, or 10? (but I doubt it).? I imagine those are considerations the
> board will? look at as well.
> Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have? heard (from
> more
> than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign? "because POCA
> changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter? content that in
> essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws.? For? a guy that
> appeared
> to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the? by-laws (and it's
> unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't? feel they
> applied
> to him.
> For the record, as I understand it, POCA? has changed printers -twice-
> since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related? to the DeRykes) got out of
> the business.? So the "family tie-in"? previously eluded to, was not a
> factor in the resignations.
> Just my? $1.50? (two cents adjusted for inflation)
> Asa? Jay
> Asa Jay? Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> &? Shelley? Marie
> Spokane,? WA
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> ?? To use a cliche, we're working on it.
> ?? Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline.? However, there
> are
> ?? restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently stand.
> ?? There are no provisions for multiple dues levels,
> ?? particularly pertaining to how a member elects to have their club
> ?? publications delivered, etc.? That will take time as any changes or
> ?? amendments must be approved by the whole membership.
> ?? The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would continue as a
> print
> ?? publication for all except foreign members who elect to receive it
> ?? digitally.
> ?? As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is so
> ?? expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit
> ?? cost.? So as fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit
> ?? increases but not proportionately.
> ?? An apples to apples comparison was made between an online printer
> and
> ?? the current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference
> ?? was pennies.? That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run.
> ?? As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have the most
> ?? influence as to how and where their product is produced.? They are
> the
> ?? ones who must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular
> ?? basis.
> ?? Bob Reid
> ?? In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> ?? [21]asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com> writes:
> ???? The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was
> ???? interested
> ???? in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for
> ???? me,
> ???? it's a wait and see kind of thing.? I agree, if POCA was missing
> out
> ???? on
> ???? full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss.
> ???? However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs
> ???? properly.? I have more faith that the present board members will
> ???? properly investigate and sort it out for everyone.
> ???? I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's
> nice
> ???? to
> ???? just sit back and read a paper copy too.? It's also easier to
> ???? hand-off
> ???? to Sam so he can read it later.? How do you really fix that?
> ???? I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress membership
> ???? database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the
> ???? member's
> ???? profile or details.? Just as I can set an address and phone
> number,
> ???? if I
> ???? could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper copies, or
> both,
> ???? and
> ???? select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus
> Newsletter),
> ???? that might be ideal.
> ???? However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting.? It very
> well
> ???? could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to
> ???? print
> ???? 50, or 10 (but I doubt it).? I imagine those are considerations
> the
> ???? board will look at as well.
> ???? Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard (from
> ???? more
> ???? than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because POCA
> ???? changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content
> that
> ???? in
> ???? essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws.? For a guy that
> ???? appeared
> ???? to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and
> ???? it's
> ???? unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they
> ???? applied
> ???? to him.
> ???? For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers
> ???? -twice-
> ???? since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got
> out
> ???? of
> ???? the business.? So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was
> not
> ???? a
> ???? factor in the resignations.
> ???? Just my $1.50? (two cents adjusted for inflation)
> ???? Asa? Jay
> ???? Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> ???? &? Shelley Marie
> ???? Spokane, WA
> ???? ******************************
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> I have a couple questions Bob:
> > Calling this situation "multiple dues levels" seems to be making the
> issue too complex. There are some members that are opting to not have
> printed magazines mailed which should make those members eligible for a
> discount because of the savings.
> > What is your estimate of the length of time that it would take the
> board to arrange for a vote of the membership to change the bylaws to
> allow for this discount?
> > Who specifically made that apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
> > I agree that the editors should have the most influence on the
> process. However, our editors of both publications seem to have a hard
> time reporting to the members about ANY issues pertaining to the
> publication's themselves. Might that change in the near future or will
> radio silence be the norm here?
> Marshall Smith
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: P6746--- via DeTomaso <[28]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
> Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: [29]asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>, [30]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
> To use a cliche, we're working on it.
> Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline. However, there
> are
> restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently stand.
> There
> are no provisions for multiple dues levels, particularly pertaining to
> how a
> member elects to have their club publications delivered, etc. That
> will
> take time as any changes or amendments must be approved by the whole
> membership.
> The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would continue as a print
> publication for all except foreign members who elect to receive it
> digitally.
> As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is so
> expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit
> cost. So as
> fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit increases but
> not
> proportionately.
> An apples to apples comparison was made between an online printer and
> the
> current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference was
> pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run.
> As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have the most
> influence as to how and where their product is produced. They are the
> ones who
> must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular basis.
> Bob Reid
> In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [31]asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com> writes:
> The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was
> interested
> in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for me,
> it's a wait and see kind of thing. I agree, if POCA was missing out
> on
> full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss.
> However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs
> properly. I have more faith that the present board members will
> properly investigate and sort it out for everyone.
> I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's nice to
> just sit back and read a paper copy too. It's also easier to hand-off
> to Sam so he can read it later. How do you really fix that?
> I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress membership
> database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the
> member's
> profile or details. Just as I can set an address and phone number, if
> I
> could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper copies, or both,
> and
> select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus Newsletter),
> that might be ideal.
> However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting. It very well
> could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to
> print
> 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine those are considerations the
> board will look at as well.
> Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard (from
> more
> than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because POCA
> changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content that in
> essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws. For a guy that
> appeared
> to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and it's
> unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they
> applied
> to him.
> For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers -twice-
> since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got out of
> the business. So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was not a
> factor in the resignations.
> Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for inflation)
> Asa Jay
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [32]http://w7tsc.org/
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> To use a cliche, we're working on it.
> Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline. However, there
> are
> restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently stand.
> There are no provisions for multiple dues levels,
> particularly pertaining to how a member elects to have their club
> publications delivered, etc. That will take time as any changes or
> amendments must be approved by the whole membership.
> The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would continue as a
> print
> publication for all except foreign members who elect to receive it
> digitally.
> As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is so
> expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit
> cost. So as fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit
> increases but not proportionately.
> An apples to apples comparison was made between an online printer
> and
> the current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference
> was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run.
> As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have the most
> influence as to how and where their product is produced. They are
> the
> ones who must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular
> basis.
> Bob Reid
> In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [36]asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com> writes:
> The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was
> interested
> in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for
> me,
> it's a wait and see kind of thing. I agree, if POCA was missing
> out
> on
> full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss.
> However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs
> properly. I have more faith that the present board members will
> properly investigate and sort it out for everyone.
> I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's
> nice
> to
> just sit back and read a paper copy too. It's also easier to
> hand-off
> to Sam so he can read it later. How do you really fix that?
> I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress membership
> database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the
> member's
> profile or details. Just as I can set an address and phone
> number,
> if I
> could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper copies, or
> both,
> and
> select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus
> Newsletter),
> that might be ideal.
> However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting. It very
> well
> could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to
> print
> 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine those are considerations
> the
> board will look at as well.
> Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard (from
> more
> than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because POCA
> changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content
> that
> in
> essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws. For a guy that
> appeared
> to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and
> it's
> unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they
> applied
> to him.
> For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers
> -twice-
> since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got
> out
> of
> the business. So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was
> not
> a
> factor in the resignations.
> Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for inflation)
> Asa Jay
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [37]http://w7tsc.org/
> [38]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:56:45 -0700
> From: Michael Cox <[43]coxmichaelt at gmail.com<mailto:coxmichaelt at gmail.com>>
> To: [44]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
> Message-ID:
> <CAMPkPf3HQcqg5vLxgjpJP=7z=UBbrVs=[45]ynAnbzepC1U9QH+A_Q at mail.gmail.com<mailto:ynAnbzepC1U9QH+A_Q at mail.gmail.com>
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > From: Ed Mendez <[46]edducati at mac.com<mailto:edducati at mac.com>>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
> >
> > Hi! I found this on eBay and thought you might like it! Check it out
> now! De Tomaso:
> > Other Pantera GTS [47]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
> These guys found that ad too. :^)
> [48]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-ha
> s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
> --michael cox
> -------------- next part --------------
> > From: Ed Mendez <[1][49]edducati at mac.com<mailto:edducati at mac.com>>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
> >A
> > Hi! I found this on eBay and thought you might like it! Check it out
> now!A De Tomaso:
> > Other Pantera GTSA [2][50]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
> These guys found that ad too. A :^)
> [3][51]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera
> -has
> -only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
> A A --michael cox
> References
> 1. [52]mailto:edducati at mac.com
> 2. [53]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
> 3.
> [54]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-ha
> s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
> ------------------------------
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 08:05:15 -0700
> From: "Stephen" <[55]steve at snclocks.com<mailto:steve at snclocks.com>>
> To: "'marshallgsmith'" <[56]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net<mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>>,
> <[57]P6746 at aol.com<mailto:P6746 at aol.com>>, <[58]asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>>,
> <[59]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
> Message-ID: <004701d1f706$6ead4a50$4c07def0$@snclocks.com<mailto:004701d1f706$6ead4a50$4c07def0$@snclocks.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> Having been on Boards before - I'd suggest the current Board deserves
> some time to catch their breath and recover from the situation they
> have recently been through. It is amazing how much time something like
> this takes - and I suspect everyone on the Board would like to catch up
> on all the things they have let slide while coping with the removal of
> a president and all the animosity and e-mails the whole mess generated.
> It's so easy to ask questions - but takes a lot more time to figure out
> how to do everything asked below. For now, let's just let the Board
> recover and slowly get some of the loose ends taken care of.
> Stephen Nelson
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[60]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf Of marshallgsmith
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 8:28 PM
> To: [61]P6746 at aol.com<mailto:P6746 at aol.com>; [62]asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>;
> [63]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
> I have a couple questions Bob:
> > Calling this situation "multiple dues levels" seems to be making the
> issue too complex. There are some members that are opting to not have
> printed magazines mailed which should make those members eligible for a
> discount because of the savings.
> > What is your estimate of the length of time that it would take the
> board to arrange for a vote of the membership to change the bylaws to
> allow for this discount?
> > Who specifically made that apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
> > I agree that the editors should have the most influence on the
> process. However, our editors of both publications seem to have a hard
> time reporting to the members about ANY issues pertaining to the
> publication's themselves. Might that change in the near future or will
> radio silence be the norm here?
> Marshall Smith
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: P6746--- via DeTomaso <[64]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
> Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: [65]asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>, [66]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
> To use a cliche, we're working on it.
> Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline. However, there are
> restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently stand.
> There are no provisions for multiple dues levels, particularly
> pertaining to how a member elects to have their club publications
> delivered, etc. That will take time as any changes or amendments must
> be approved by the whole membership.
> The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would continue as a print
> publication for all except foreign members who elect to receive it
> digitally.
> As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is so
> expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit
> cost. So as fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit
> increases but not proportionately.
> An apples to apples comparison was made between an online printer and
> the current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference
> was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run.
> As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have the most
> influence as to how and where their product is produced. They are the
> ones who must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular
> basis.
> Bob Reid
> In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [67]asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com> writes:
> The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was interested
> in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for me,
> it's a wait and see kind of thing. I agree, if POCA was missing out on
> full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss.
> However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs
> properly. I have more faith that the present board members will
> properly investigate and sort it out for everyone.
> I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's nice to
> just sit back and read a paper copy too. It's also easier to hand-off
> to Sam so he can read it later. How do you really fix that?
> I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress membership
> database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the
> member's profile or details. Just as I can set an address and phone
> number, if I could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper copies,
> or both, and select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus
> Newsletter), that might be ideal.
> However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting. It very well
> could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to print
> 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine those are considerations the
> board will look at as well.
> Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard (from more
> than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because POCA
> changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content that in
> essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws. For a guy that appeared
> to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and it's
> unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they
> applied to him.
> For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers -twice-
> since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got out of
> the business. So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was not a
> factor in the resignations.
> Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for inflation) Asa Jay
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane,
> WA
> ******************************
> [68]http://w7tsc.org/
> [69]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> _______________________________________________
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not
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> To use a cliche, we're working on it.
> Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline. However, there are
> restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently stand.
> There are no provisions for multiple dues levels,
> particularly pertaining to how a member elects to have their club
> publications delivered, etc. That will take time as any changes or
> amendments must be approved by the whole membership.
> The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would continue as a print
> publication for all except foreign members who elect to receive it
> digitally.
> As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is so
> expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit
> cost. So as fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit
> increases but not proportionately.
> An apples to apples comparison was made between an online printer and
> the current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference
> was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run.
> As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have the most
> influence as to how and where their product is produced. They are the
> ones who must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular
> basis.
> Bob Reid
> In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [72]asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com> writes:
> The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was
> interested
> in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for
> me,
> it's a wait and see kind of thing. I agree, if POCA was missing out
> on
> full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss.
> However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs
> properly. I have more faith that the present board members will
> properly investigate and sort it out for everyone.
> I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's nice
> to
> just sit back and read a paper copy too. It's also easier to
> hand-off
> to Sam so he can read it later. How do you really fix that?
> I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress membership
> database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the
> member's
> profile or details. Just as I can set an address and phone number,
> if I
> could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper copies, or both,
> and
> select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus Newsletter),
> that might be ideal.
> However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting. It very well
> could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to
> print
> 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine those are considerations the
> board will look at as well.
> Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard (from
> more
> than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because POCA
> changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content that
> in
> essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws. For a guy that
> appeared
> to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and
> it's
> unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they
> applied
> to him.
> For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers
> -twice-
> since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got out
> of
> the business. So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was not
> a
> factor in the resignations.
> Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for inflation)
> Asa Jay
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [73]http://w7tsc.org/
> [74]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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> References
> 
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> 2. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
> 3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 4. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 6. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
> 7. mailto:owner at server.detomasolist.com
> 8. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
> 9. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
> 10. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 11. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 12. mailto:sdxpj9k7caacwyvlamgw7uly.1471231663405 at email.android.com
> 13. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 14. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 15. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 16. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 17. http://w7tsc.org/
> 18. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> 19. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 20. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 21. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 22. http://w7tsc.org/
> 23. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> 24. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 26. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 27. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 28. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 29. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 30. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 31. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 32. http://w7tsc.org/
> 33. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> 34. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 35. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 36. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 37. http://w7tsc.org/
> 38. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> 39. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 41. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 42. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 43. mailto:coxmichaelt at gmail.com
> 44. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 45. mailto:ynAnbzepC1U9QH+A_Q at mail.gmail.com
> 46. mailto:edducati at mac.com
> 47. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
> 48. http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-has-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
> 49. mailto:edducati at mac.com
> 50. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
> 51. http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-has
> 52. mailto:edducati at mac.com?
> 53. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
> 54. http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-has-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
> 55. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
> 56. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
> 57. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
> 58. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 59. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 60. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
> 61. mailto:P6746 at aol.com
> 62. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 63. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 64. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 65. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 66. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 67. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 68. http://w7tsc.org/
> 69. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> 70. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 71. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 72. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
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   Thank you for your kind words Laurie! I appreciate it! I  yes I
   finished all my schooling in Greece and came here at 23 with my
   American husband who was serving in the Navy.

   have been working for over 39 years for the same wonderful mentor, who
   allowed me to learn the ins and outs of development, construction, real
   estate and hotel management. He entrusted me with managing all his real
   estate assets including financing and his family's as well when he
   retired 12 years ago and moved to NY.  The reason I'm still the one
   running his business is not just loyalty but character, as I have
   previously said. I have his trust and always his back. I earned those.

   I don't think POCA would ever want me because I ask too many questions!
   I plan on retiring the end of 2017 and then I will do volunteer work
   "protecting the innocent"!
   Sent from Effie's iPad

   On Aug 15, 2016, at 8:48 PM, [1]laurieferrari at aol.com wrote:

   Did you go to school in Greece?  You certainly put in a great deal of
   time with your studies and mastered English beautifully.  Maybe you'd
   like to be nominated for the Board? Not joking! I realize you have an
   important job, but maybe you'd consider it?
   Laurie

     That is an awesome story, Terry! Great one to share with us all.
     Those young people appear to have it all! Your grandson sounds
     pretty awesome too! You know, I graduated from high school with an
     associate degree as well. Went to school Monday through Saturday, 6
     days/week, then took classes in English language in evenings. Good
     thing since I ended up living in America at age 23!

   -----Original Message-----
   From: Effie Richards <[2]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>
   To: 'Himes, Terry (397C)' (397C)' <[3]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>; 'Ken
   Green' <[4]kenn_green at yahoo.com>; laurieferrari
   <[5]laurieferrari at aol.com>; detomaso
   <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2016 11:45 am
   Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Sam
   That is an awesome story, Terry! Great one to share with us all.
   Those young people appear to have it all! Your grandson sounds pretty
   awesome too! You know, I graduated from high school with an associate
   degree as well. Went to school Monday through Saturday, 6 days/week,
   then took classes in English language in evenings. Good thing since I
   ended up living in America at age 23!
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [[7]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C)
   Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:34 AM
   To: Ken Green; [8]laurieferrari at aol.com;
   [9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sam
   Ken (et al),
   My dad said the same thing about me listening too much to Beatle music.
   LOL ;-) Then I started a band and played with people like Bob Seger
   (Seger System), Amboy Dukes, and the Scott Richard Case all over
   southern Michigan. Brought in some cash doing it too.
   The kids that I work with, and even hire (20 something millennial's) do
   seem to spend too much time with their phones constantly. But when I
   nailed them down about it, they said they are keeping in-touch with
   their friends. They all have formed a group of new-hires and keep
   in-touch constantly. Seems weird to me, but that is their social
   network. They plan all week for their outdoors trips on the weekend.
   They go to the Sequoia Nat'l forest, Kings Canyon, and Sierra Nevada
   mountains almost EVERY weekend. They go hiking, rock-climbing, camping,
   and in winter skiing. Last weekend them climbed Mt Whitney.
   Outstanding.
   My 17 year old grandson is addicted to video games. But he is a
   straight "A" student, plays soccer and Lacrosse all weekend, and will
   graduate high-school with almost an "Associates Degree" from the local
   college courses he takes.
   So, whenever, I think the world is going "to hell innna hand basket" I
   step back and think, maybe it's just different than when I grew up. I
   think kids today are amazing. And smart.
   Just my opinion.
   Terry
   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid
   enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   Terry W. Himes
   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   Dawn Spacecraft Team
   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   Phone: (818) 393-6261
   Cell: (818) 653-8213
   Fax: (818) 393-3147
   [10]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<[11]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   From: DeTomaso
   <detomaso-[12]bounces at server.detomasolist.com<[13]mailto:detomaso-bounc
   es at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso
   <[14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[15]mailto:detomaso at server.detoma
   solist.com>>
   Reply-To: Ken Green
   <[16]kenn_green at yahoo.com<[17]mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com>>
   Date: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:58 AM
   To: "[18]laurieferrari at aol.com<[19]mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>"
   <[20]laurieferrari at aol.com<[21]mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>>,
   "[22]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[23]mailto:detomaso at server.detoma
   solist.com>"
   <[24]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[25]mailto:detomaso at server.detoma
   solist.com>>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sam
   Laurie,
   The same young people spend the rest of the day glued to their smart
   phones unaware of the physical world around them. I suspect they also
   have no interest in cars unless the cars are in a video game. They have
   one foot in the Matrix and would not object to living in virtual realty
   if that could be arranged. I worry about the future of mankind.
   Ken
   From: Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
   <[26]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[27]mailto:detomaso at server.detoma
   solist.com>>
   To: [28]laurieferrari at aol.com<[29]mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>;
   [30]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[31]mailto:detomaso at server.detomas
   olist.com>
   Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:10 AM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sam
   p.s. In my experience with young people of the day, they are more
   adapted to and capable of reading electronic material than most adults
   I know. Many classrooms now use Ipads.
   Laurie
   I am on-board with electronic delivery,? though I do admit it's nice
   to
   just sit back and read a paper copy? too.? It's also easier to
   hand-off
   to Sam so he can read it? later.? How do you really fix that?
   -----Original Message-----
   From: laurieferrari
   <[32]laurieferrari at aol.com<[33]mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>>
   To: detomaso
   <[34]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[35]mailto:detomaso at server.detoma
   solist.com>>
   Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2016 9:57 am
   Subject: Re: resignations
   Dear AJ,
   I have always respected you and your opinions but in this case you are
   incorrect as far as the resignation of Jack DeRyke. I was on the Board
   of Directors' conference call where he was asked to stay and he
   adamantly refused to if the printer changed. Jack's resignation was
   specifically because of the change in printer! You can go research
   that phone conference call, or the minutes of the meeting, as the facts
   are saved. As far as Mike Haney's resignation, that was done by his
   Mrs. for their reasons which most likely were aligned with their
   parents.
   Laurie
   In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,?
   [1][36]asajay at asajay.com<[37]mailto:asajay at asajay.com> writes:
   The last? I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was
   interested
   in doing a? -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for
   me,
   it's a wait and? see kind of thing.? I agree, if POCA was missing
   out on
   full-color? and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss.?
   However, I? also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs
   properly.? I? have more faith that the present board members will
   properly investigate? and sort it out for everyone.
   I am on-board with electronic delivery,? though I do admit it's nice
   to
   just sit back and read a paper copy? too.? It's also easier to
   hand-off
   to Sam so he can read it? later.? How do you really fix that?
   I would think (and I don't? know), that the ClubExpress membership
   database might be able to include a? "preference" as part of the
   member's
   profile or details.? Just as I? can set an address and phone number,
   if I
   could check a box for Electronic? delivery or paper copies, or both,
   and
   select whatever I wanted for each? item (Profiles versus
   Newsletter),
   that might be ideal.
   However,? I'm also familiar with quantity discounting.? It very well
   could be? that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to
   print
   50, or 10? (but I doubt it).? I imagine those are considerations the
   board will? look at as well.
   Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have? heard (from
   more
   than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign? "because POCA
   changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter? content that
   in
   essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws.? For? a guy that
   appeared
   to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the? by-laws (and
   it's
   unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't? feel they
   applied
   to him.
   For the record, as I understand it, POCA? has changed printers
   -twice-
   since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related? to the DeRykes) got out
   of
   the business.? So the "family tie-in"? previously eluded to, was not
   a
   factor in the resignations.
   Just my? $1.50? (two cents adjusted for inflation)
   Asa? Jay
   Asa Jay? Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
   &? Shelley? Mar
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   Message: 1
   Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:27:43 -0700
   From: marshallgsmith
   <[8][49]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net<[50]mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcgloba
   l.net>>
   To: [9][51]P6746 at aol.com<[52]mailto:P6746 at aol.com>,
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   I have a couple questions Bob:
   > Calling this situation "multiple dues levels" seems to be making the
   issue too complex. There are some members that are opting to not have
   printed magazines mailed which should make those members eligible for a
   discount because of the savings.
   > What is your estimate of the length of time that it would take the
   board to arrange for a vote of the membership to change the bylaws to
   allow for this discount?
   > Who specifically made that apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
   > I agree that the editors should have the most influence ?on the
   process. ?However, our editors of both publications seem to have a hard
   time reporting to the members about ANY issues pertaining to the
   publication's themselves. Might that change in the near future or will
   radio silence be the norm here?
   Marshall Smith
   Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
   -------- Original message --------
   From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
   <[13][59]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[60]mailto:detomaso at server.de
   tomasolist.com>>
   Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
   To: [14][61]asajay at asajay.com<[62]mailto:asajay at asajay.com>,
   [15][63]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[64]mailto:detomaso at server.det
   omasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
   To use a cliche, we're working on it.?
   Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline.?? However, there
   are
   restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently? stand.?
   There
   are no provisions for multiple dues levels,? particularly pertaining to
   how a
   member elects to have their club? publications delivered, etc.? That
   will
   take time as any changes or? amendments must be approved by the whole
   membership.
   The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would? continue as a print
   publication for all except foreign members who elect to? receive it
   digitally.?
   As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is? so
   expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit?
   cost.? So as
   fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit? increases but
   not
   proportionately.??
   An apples to apples comparison was made between an online? printer and
   the
   current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference? was
   pennies.? That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run.?
   As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have? the most
   influence as to how and where their product is produced.? They are? the
   ones who
   must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular? basis.
   Bob Reid?
   In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,?
   [16][65]asajay at asajay.com<[66]mailto:asajay at asajay.com> writes:
   The last? I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was
   interested
   in doing a? -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for me,
   it's a wait and? see kind of thing.? I agree, if POCA was missing out
   on
   full-color? and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss.?
   However, I? also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs
   properly.? I? have more faith that the present board members will
   properly investigate? and sort it out for everyone.
   I am on-board with electronic delivery,? though I do admit it's nice to
   just sit back and read a paper copy? too.? It's also easier to hand-off
   to Sam so he can read it? later.? How do you really fix that?
   I would think (and I don't? know), that the ClubExpress membership
   database might be able to include a? "preference" as part of the
   member's
   profile or details.? Just as I? can set an address and phone number, if
   I
   could check a box for Electronic? delivery or paper copies, or both,
   and
   select whatever I wanted for each? item (Profiles versus Newsletter),
   that might be ideal.
   However,? I'm also familiar with quantity discounting.? It very well
   could be? that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to
   print
   50, or 10? (but I doubt it).? I imagine those are considerations the
   board will? look at as well.
   Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have? heard (from
   more
   than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign? "because POCA
   changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter? content that in
   essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws.? For? a guy that
   appeared
   to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the? by-laws (and it's
   unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't? feel they
   applied
   to him.
   For the record, as I understand it, POCA? has changed printers -twice-
   since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related? to the DeRykes) got out of
   the business.? So the "family tie-in"? previously eluded to, was not a
   factor in the resignations.
   Just my? $1.50? (two cents adjusted for inflation)
   Asa? Jay
   Asa Jay? Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
   &? Shelley? Marie
   Spokane,? WA
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   ?? To use a cliche, we're working on it.
   ?? Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline.? However, there
   are
   ?? restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently stand.
   ?? There are no provisions for multiple dues levels,
   ?? particularly pertaining to how a member elects to have their club
   ?? publications delivered, etc.? That will take time as any changes or
   ?? amendments must be approved by the whole membership.
   ?? The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would continue as a
   print
   ?? publication for all except foreign members who elect to receive it
   ?? digitally.
   ?? As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is so
   ?? expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit
   ?? cost.? So as fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit
   ?? increases but not proportionately.
   ?? An apples to apples comparison was made between an online printer
   and
   ?? the current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference
   ?? was pennies.? That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run.
   ?? As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have the most
   ?? influence as to how and where their product is produced.? They are
   the
   ?? ones who must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular
   ?? basis.
   ?? Bob Reid
   ?? In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
   ?? [21][72]asajay at asajay.com<[73]mailto:asajay at asajay.com> writes:
   ???? The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was
   ???? interested
   ???? in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for
   ???? me,
   ???? it's a wait and see kind of thing.? I agree, if POCA was missing
   out
   ???? on
   ???? full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss.
   ???? However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs
   ???? properly.? I have more faith that the present board members will
   ???? properly investigate and sort it out for everyone.
   ???? I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's
   nice
   ???? to
   ???? just sit back and read a paper copy too.? It's also easier to
   ???? hand-off
   ???? to Sam so he can read it later.? How do you really fix that?
   ???? I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress membership
   ???? database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the
   ???? member's
   ???? profile or details.? Just as I can set an address and phone
   number,
   ???? if I
   ???? could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper copies, or
   both,
   ???? and
   ???? select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus
   Newsletter),
   ???? that might be ideal.
   ???? However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting.? It very
   well
   ???? could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to
   ???? print
   ???? 50, or 10 (but I doubt it).? I imagine those are considerations
   the
   ???? board will look at as well.
   ???? Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard (from
   ???? more
   ???? than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because POCA
   ???? changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content
   that
   ???? in
   ???? essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws.? For a guy that
   ???? appeared
   ???? to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and
   ???? it's
   ???? unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they
   ???? applied
   ???? to him.
   ???? For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers
   ???? -twice-
   ???? since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got
   out
   ???? of
   ???? the business.? So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was
   not
   ???? a
   ???? factor in the resignations.
   ???? Just my $1.50? (two cents adjusted for inflation)
   ???? Asa? Jay
   ???? Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
   ???? &? Shelley Marie
   ???? Spokane, WA
   ???? ******************************
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   I have a couple questions Bob:
   > Calling this situation "multiple dues levels" seems to be making the
   issue too complex. There are some members that are opting to not have
   printed magazines mailed which should make those members eligible for a
   discount because of the savings.
   > What is your estimate of the length of time that it would take the
   board to arrange for a vote of the membership to change the bylaws to
   allow for this discount?
   > Who specifically made that apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
   > I agree that the editors should have the most influence on the
   process. However, our editors of both publications seem to have a hard
   time reporting to the members about ANY issues pertaining to the
   publication's themselves. Might that change in the near future or will
   radio silence be the norm here?
   Marshall Smith
   Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
   -------- Original message --------
   From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
   <[28][82]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[83]mailto:detomaso at server.de
   tomasolist.com>>
   Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
   To: [29][84]asajay at asajay.com<[85]mailto:asajay at asajay.com>,
   [30][86]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[87]mailto:detomaso at server.det
   omasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
   To use a cliche, we're working on it.
   Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline. However, there
   are
   restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently stand.
   There
   are no provisions for multiple dues levels, particularly pertaining to
   how a
   member elects to have their club publications delivered, etc. That
   will
   take time as any changes or amendments must be approved by the whole
   membership.
   The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would continue as a print
   publication for all except foreign members who elect to receive it
   digitally.
   As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is so
   expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit
   cost. So as
   fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit increases but
   not
   proportionately.
   An apples to apples comparison was made between an online printer and
   the
   current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference was
   pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run.
   As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have the most
   influence as to how and where their product is produced. They are the
   ones who
   must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular basis.
   Bob Reid
   In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
   [31][88]asajay at asajay.com<[89]mailto:asajay at asajay.com> writes:
   The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was
   interested
   in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for me,
   it's a wait and see kind of thing. I agree, if POCA was missing out
   on
   full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss.
   However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs
   properly. I have more faith that the present board members will
   properly investigate and sort it out for everyone.
   I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's nice to
   just sit back and read a paper copy too. It's also easier to hand-off
   to Sam so he can read it later. How do you really fix that?
   I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress membership
   database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the
   member's
   profile or details. Just as I can set an address and phone number, if
   I
   could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper copies, or both,
   and
   select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus Newsletter),
   that might be ideal.
   However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting. It very well
   could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to
   print
   50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine those are considerations the
   board will look at as well.
   Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard (from
   more
   than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because POCA
   changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content that in
   essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws. For a guy that
   appeared
   to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and it's
   unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they
   applied
   to him.
   For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers -twice-
   since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got out of
   the business. So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was not a
   factor in the resignations.
   Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for inflation)
   Asa Jay
   Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
   & Shelley Marie
   Spokane, WA
   ******************************
   [32][90]http://w7tsc.org/
   [33][91]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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   To use a cliche, we're working on it.
   Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline. However, there
   are
   restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently stand.
   There are no provisions for multiple dues levels,
   particularly pertaining to how a member elects to have their club
   publications delivered, etc. That will take time as any changes or
   amendments must be approved by the whole membership.
   The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would continue as a
   print
   publication for all except foreign members who elect to receive it
   digitally.
   As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is so
   expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit
   cost. So as fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit
   increases but not proportionately.
   An apples to apples comparison was made between an online printer
   and
   the current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference
   was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run.
   As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have the most
   influence as to how and where their product is produced. They are
   the
   ones who must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular
   basis.
   Bob Reid
   In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
   [36][95]asajay at asajay.com<[96]mailto:asajay at asajay.com> writes:
   The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was
   interested
   in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for
   me,
   it's a wait and see kind of thing. I agree, if POCA was missing
   out
   on
   full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss.
   However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs
   properly. I have more faith that the present board members will
   properly investigate and sort it out for everyone.
   I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's
   nice
   to
   just sit back and read a paper copy too. It's also easier to
   hand-off
   to Sam so he can read it later. How do you really fix that?
   I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress membership
   database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the
   member's
   profile or details. Just as I can set an address and phone
   number,
   if I
   could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper copies, or
   both,
   and
   select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus
   Newsletter),
   that might be ideal.
   However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting. It very
   well
   could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to
   print
   50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine those are considerations
   the
   board will look at as well.
   Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard (from
   more
   than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because POCA
   changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content
   that
   in
   essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws. For a guy that
   appeared
   to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and
   it's
   unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they
   applied
   to him.
   For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers
   -twice-
   since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got
   out
   of
   the business. So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was
   not
   a
   factor in the resignations.
   Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for inflation)
   Asa Jay
   Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
   & Shelley Marie
   Spokane, WA
   ******************************
   [37][97]http://w7tsc.org/
   [38][98]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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   Message: 2
   Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:56:45 -0700
   From: Michael Cox
   <[43][105]coxmichaelt at gmail.com<[106]mailto:coxmichaelt at gmail.com>>
   To:
   [44][107]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[108]mailto:detomaso at server.d
   etomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
   Message-ID:
   <CAMPkPf3HQcqg5vLxgjpJP=7z=UBbrVs=[45][109]ynAnbzepC1U9QH+A_Q at mail.gmai
   l.com<[110]mailto:ynAnbzepC1U9QH+A_Q at mail.gmail.com>
   >
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   > From: Ed Mendez
   <[46][111]edducati at mac.com<[112]mailto:edducati at mac.com>>
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
   >
   > Hi! I found this on eBay and thought you might like it! Check it out
   now! De Tomaso:
   > Other Pantera GTS [47][113]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
   These guys found that ad too. :^)
   [48][114]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pante
   ra-ha
   s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
   --michael cox
   -------------- next part --------------
   > From: Ed Mendez
   <[1][49][115]edducati at mac.com<[116]mailto:edducati at mac.com>>
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
   >A
   > Hi! I found this on eBay and thought you might like it! Check it out
   now!A De Tomaso:
   > Other Pantera GTSA [2][50][117]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
   These guys found that ad too. A :^)
   [3][51][118]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pa
   ntera
   -has
   -only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
   A A --michael cox
   References
   1. [52][119]mailto:edducati at mac.com
   2. [53][120]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
   3.
   [54][121]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pante
   ra-ha
   s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
   ------------------------------
   Message: 3
   Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 08:05:15 -0700
   From: "Stephen"
   <[55][122]steve at snclocks.com<[123]mailto:steve at snclocks.com>>
   To: "'marshallgsmith'"
   <[56][124]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net<[125]mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcgl
   obal.net>>,
   <[57][126]P6746 at aol.com<[127]mailto:P6746 at aol.com>>,
   <[58][128]asajay at asajay.com<[129]mailto:asajay at asajay.com>>,
   <[59][130]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[131]mailto:detomaso at server.
   detomasolist.com>>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
   Message-ID:
   <[132]004701d1f706$6ead4a50$4c07def0$@snclocks.com<[133]mailto:004701d1
   f706$6ead4a50$4c07def0$@snclocks.com>>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   Having been on Boards before - I'd suggest the current Board deserves
   some time to catch their breath and recover from the situation they
   have recently been through. It is amazing how much time something like
   this takes - and I suspect everyone on the Board would like to catch up
   on all the things they have let slide while coping with the removal of
   a president and all the animosity and e-mails the whole mess generated.
   It's so easy to ask questions - but takes a lot more time to figure out
   how to do everything asked below. For now, let's just let the Board
   recover and slowly get some of the loose ends taken care of.
   Stephen Nelson
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso
   [[60][134]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf Of marshallgsmith
   Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 8:28 PM
   To: [61][135]P6746 at aol.com<[136]mailto:P6746 at aol.com>;
   [62][137]asajay at asajay.com<[138]mailto:asajay at asajay.com>;
   [63][139]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[140]mailto:detomaso at server.d
   etomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
   I have a couple questions Bob:
   > Calling this situation "multiple dues levels" seems to be making the
   issue too complex. There are some members that are opting to not have
   printed magazines mailed which should make those members eligible for a
   discount because of the savings.
   > What is your estimate of the length of time that it would take the
   board to arrange for a vote of the membership to change the bylaws to
   allow for this discount?
   > Who specifically made that apples-to-apples comparison you refer to?
   > I agree that the editors should have the most influence on the
   process. However, our editors of both publications seem to have a hard
   time reporting to the members about ANY issues pertaining to the
   publication's themselves. Might that change in the near future or will
   radio silence be the norm here?
   Marshall Smith
   Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
   -------- Original message --------
   From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
   <[64][141]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[142]mailto:detomaso at server.
   detomasolist.com>>
   Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
   To: [65][143]asajay at asajay.com<[144]mailto:asajay at asajay.com>,
   [66][145]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[146]mailto:detomaso at server.d
   etomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
   To use a cliche, we're working on it.
   Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline. However, there are
   restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently stand.
   There are no provisions for multiple dues levels, particularly
   pertaining to how a member elects to have their club publications
   delivered, etc. That will take time as any changes or amendments must
   be approved by the whole membership.
   The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would continue as a print
   publication for all except foreign members who elect to receive it
   digitally.
   As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is so
   expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit
   cost. So as fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit
   increases but not proportionately.
   An apples to apples comparison was made between an online printer and
   the current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference
   was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run.
   As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have the most
   influence as to how and where their product is produced. They are the
   ones who must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular
   basis.
   Bob Reid
   In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
   [67][147]asajay at asajay.com<[148]mailto:asajay at asajay.com> writes:
   The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was interested
   in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for me,
   it's a wait and see kind of thing. I agree, if POCA was missing out on
   full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss.
   However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs
   properly. I have more faith that the present board members will
   properly investigate and sort it out for everyone.
   I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's nice to
   just sit back and read a paper copy too. It's also easier to hand-off
   to Sam so he can read it later. How do you really fix that?
   I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress membership
   database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the
   member's profile or details. Just as I can set an address and phone
   number, if I could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper copies,
   or both, and select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus
   Newsletter), that might be ideal.
   However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting. It very well
   could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to print
   50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine those are considerations the
   board will look at as well.
   Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard (from more
   than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because POCA
   changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content that in
   essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws. For a guy that appeared
   to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and it's
   unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they
   applied to him.
   For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers -twice-
   since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got out of
   the business. So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was not a
   factor in the resignations.
   Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for inflation) Asa Jay
   Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane,
   WA
   ******************************
   [68][149]http://w7tsc.org/
   [69][150]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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   To use a cliche, we're working on it.
   Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline. However, there are
   restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently stand.
   There are no provisions for multiple dues levels,
   particularly pertaining to how a member elects to have their club
   publications delivered, etc. That will take time as any changes or
   amendments must be approved by the whole membership.
   The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would continue as a print
   publication for all except foreign members who elect to receive it
   digitally.
   As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is so
   expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit
   cost. So as fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit
   increases but not proportionately.
   An apples to apples comparison was made between an online printer and
   the current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference
   was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run.
   As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have the most
   influence as to how and where their product is produced. They are the
   ones who must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular
   basis.
   Bob Reid
   In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
   [72][154]asajay at asajay.com<[155]mailto:asajay at asajay.com> writes:
   The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was
   interested
   in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for
   me,
   it's a wait and see kind of thing. I agree, if POCA was missing out
   on
   full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss.
   However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs
   properly. I have more faith that the present board members will
   properly investigate and sort it out for everyone.
   I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's nice
   to
   just sit back and read a paper copy too. It's also easier to
   hand-off
   to Sam so he can read it later. How do you really fix that?
   I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress membership
   database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the
   member's
   profile or details. Just as I can set an address and phone number,
   if I
   could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper copies, or both,
   and
   select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus Newsletter),
   that might be ideal.
   However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting. It very well
   could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to
   print
   50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine those are considerations the
   board will look at as well.
   Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard (from
   more
   than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because POCA
   changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content that
   in
   essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws. For a guy that
   appeared
   to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and
   it's
   unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they
   applied
   to him.
   For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers
   -twice-
   since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got out
   of
   the business. So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was not
   a
   factor in the resignations.
   Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for inflation)
   Asa Jay
   Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
   & Shelley Marie
   Spokane, WA
   ******************************
   [73][156]http://w7tsc.org/
   [74][157]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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   References
   1. [167]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
   2. [168]mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
   3. [169]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   4. [170]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   5. [171]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   6. [172]mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
   7. [173]mailto:owner at server.detomasolist.com
   8. [174]mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
   9. [175]mailto:P6746 at aol.com
   10. [176]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
   11. [177]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   12.
   [178]mailto:sdxpj9k7caacwyvlamgw7uly.1471231663405 at email.android.com
   13. [179]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   14. [180]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
   15. [181]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   16. [182]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
   17. [183]http://w7tsc.org/
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