[DeTomaso] Sam
Dennis Valdez
sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com
Mon Aug 15 16:06:50 EDT 2016
Great comment Terry!
"So, whenever, I think the world is going "to hell innna hand basket" I
step back and think, maybe it's just different than
when I grew up. I think kids today are amazing. And smart.
Just my opinion.
Terry"
Now that my son is earning some money on his break from college he's been building his super gaming computer. He wants to "overclock" his CPU to get "more power"! This requires more cooling so he has a high flow liquid CPU cooler radiator and found a way to packed more fans into the box. He spends hours researching the best parts for his "build" and shares notes with others on the computer build forums....
Sounds familiar! Just different :)
Dennis Valdez
> On Aug 15, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> Ken (et al),
> My dad said the same thing about me listening too much to Beatle music.
> LOL ;-)
> Then I started a band and played with people like Bob Seger (Seger
> System), Amboy Dukes, and the Scott
> Richard Case all over southern Michigan. Brought in some cash doing it
> too.
> The kids that I work with, and even hire (20 something millennial's) do
> seem to spend too much time
> with their phones constantly. But when I nailed them down about it,
> they said they are keeping in-touch
> with their friends. They all have formed a group of new-hires and keep
> in-touch constantly. Seems weird to
> me, but that is their social network. They plan all week for their
> outdoors trips on the weekend.
> They go to the Sequoia Nat'l forest, Kings Canyon, and Sierra Nevada
> mountains almost EVERY weekend. They
> go hiking, rock-climbing, camping, and in winter skiing. Last weekend
> them climbed Mt Whitney. Outstanding.
> My 17 year old grandson is addicted to video games. But he is a
> straight "A" student, plays soccer and Lacrosse
> all weekend, and will graduate high-school with almost an "Associates
> Degree" from the local college courses he takes.
> So, whenever, I think the world is going "to hell innna hand basket" I
> step back and think, maybe it's just different than
> when I grew up. I think kids today are amazing. And smart.
> Just my opinion.
> Terry
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
>
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
>
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>
> Fax: (818) 393-3147
>
> [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> of Ken Green via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Reply-To: Ken Green <[4]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Date: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:58 AM
> To: "[5]laurieferrari at aol.com" <[6]laurieferrari at aol.com>,
> "[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sam
>
> Laurie,
> The same young people spend the rest of the day glued to their
> smart phones unaware of the physical world around them. I suspect they
> also have no interest in cars unless the cars are in a video
> game. They have one foot in the Matrix and would not object to living
> in virtual realty if that could be arranged. I worry about the future
> of mankind.
> Ken
> From: Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
> <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> To: [10]laurieferrari at aol.com; [11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sam
>
> p.s. In my experience with young people of the day, they are more
> adapted to and capable of reading electronic material than most
> adults
> I know. Many classrooms now use Ipads.
> Laurie
> I am on-board with electronic delivery,? though I do admit it's
> nice
> to
> just sit back and read a paper copy? too.? It's also easier to
> hand-off
> to Sam so he can read it? later.? How do you really fix that?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: laurieferrari <[12]laurieferrari at aol.com>
> To: detomaso <[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2016 9:57 am
> Subject: Re: resignations
> Dear AJ,
> I have always respected you and your opinions but in this case you
> are
> incorrect as far as the resignation of Jack DeRyke. I was on the
> Board
> of Directors' conference call where he was asked to stay and he
> adamantly refused to if the printer changed. Jack's resignation was
> specifically because of the change in printer! You can go research
> that phone conference call, or the minutes of the meeting, as the
> facts
> are saved. As far as Mike Haney's resignation, that was done by his
> Mrs. for their reasons which most likely were aligned with their
> parents.
> Laurie
> In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,?
> [1][14]asajay at asajay.com writes:
> The last? I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was
> interested
> in doing a? -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for
> me,
> it's a wait and? see kind of thing.? I agree, if POCA was missing
> out on
> full-color? and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is
> amiss.?
> However, I? also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs
> properly.? I? have more faith that the present board members will
> properly investigate? and sort it out for everyone.
> I am on-board with electronic delivery,? though I do admit it's
> nice
> to
> just sit back and read a paper copy? too.? It's also easier to
> hand-off
> to Sam so he can read it? later.? How do you really fix that?
> I would think (and I don't? know), that the ClubExpress membership
> database might be able to include a? "preference" as part of the
> member's
> profile or details.? Just as I? can set an address and phone
> number,
> if I
> could check a box for Electronic? delivery or paper copies, or
> both,
> and
> select whatever I wanted for each? item (Profiles versus
> Newsletter),
> that might be ideal.
> However,? I'm also familiar with quantity discounting.? It very
> well
> could be? that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to
> print
> 50, or 10? (but I doubt it).? I imagine those are considerations
> the
> board will? look at as well.
> Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have? heard (from
> more
> than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign? "because POCA
> changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter? content
> that
> in
> essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws.? For? a guy that
> appeared
> to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the? by-laws (and
> it's
> unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't? feel they
> applied
> to him.
> For the record, as I understand it, POCA? has changed printers
> -twice-
> since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related? to the DeRykes) got
> out
> of
> the business.? So the "family tie-in"? previously eluded to, was
> not
> a
> factor in the resignations.
> Just my? $1.50? (two cents adjusted for inflation)
> Asa? Jay
> Asa Jay? Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> &? Shelley? Mar
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> From: marshallgsmith <[8][21]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> To: [9][22]P6746 at aol.com, [10][23]asajay at asajay.com,
> [11][24]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> I have a couple questions Bob:
>> Calling this situation "multiple dues levels" seems to be making
> the
> issue too complex. There are some members that are opting to not have
> printed magazines mailed which should make those members eligible for
> a
> discount because of the savings.
>> What is your estimate of the length of time that it would take the
> board to arrange for a vote of the membership to change the bylaws to
> allow for this discount?
>> Who specifically made that apples-to-apples comparison you refer
> to?
>> I agree that the editors should have the most influence ?on the
> process. ?However, our editors of both publications seem to have a
> hard
> time reporting to the members about ANY issues pertaining to the
> publication's themselves. Might that change in the near future or
> will
> radio silence be the norm here?
> Marshall Smith
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
> <[13][26]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: [14][27]asajay at asajay.com,
> [15][28]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
> To use a cliche, we're working on it.?
> Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline.?? However, there
> are
> restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently?
> stand.?
> There
> are no provisions for multiple dues levels,? particularly pertaining
> to
> how a
> member elects to have their club? publications delivered, etc.? That
> will
> take time as any changes or? amendments must be approved by the whole
> membership.
> The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would? continue as a
> print
> publication for all except foreign members who elect to? receive it
> digitally.?
> As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is? so
> expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit?
> cost.? So as
> fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit? increases
> but
> not
> proportionately.??
> An apples to apples comparison was made between an online? printer
> and
> the
> current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference? was
> pennies.? That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run.?
> As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have? the most
> influence as to how and where their product is produced.? They are?
> the
> ones who
> must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular? basis.
> Bob Reid?
> In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,?
> [16][29]asajay at asajay.com writes:
> The last? I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was
> interested
> in doing a? -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for
> me,
> it's a wait and? see kind of thing.? I agree, if POCA was missing out
> on
> full-color? and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss.?
> However, I? also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs
> properly.? I? have more faith that the present board members will
> properly investigate? and sort it out for everyone.
> I am on-board with electronic delivery,? though I do admit it's nice
> to
> just sit back and read a paper copy? too.? It's also easier to
> hand-off
> to Sam so he can read it? later.? How do you really fix that?
> I would think (and I don't? know), that the ClubExpress membership
> database might be able to include a? "preference" as part of the
> member's
> profile or details.? Just as I? can set an address and phone number,
> if
> I
> could check a box for Electronic? delivery or paper copies, or both,
> and
> select whatever I wanted for each? item (Profiles versus Newsletter),
> that might be ideal.
> However,? I'm also familiar with quantity discounting.? It very well
> could be? that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to
> print
> 50, or 10? (but I doubt it).? I imagine those are considerations the
> board will? look at as well.
> Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have? heard (from
> more
> than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign? "because POCA
> changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter? content that
> in
> essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws.? For? a guy that
> appeared
> to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the? by-laws (and
> it's
> unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't? feel they
> applied
> to him.
> For the record, as I understand it, POCA? has changed printers
> -twice-
> since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related? to the DeRykes) got out
> of
> the business.? So the "family tie-in"? previously eluded to, was not
> a
> factor in the resignations.
> Just my? $1.50? (two cents adjusted for inflation)
> Asa? Jay
> Asa Jay? Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> &? Shelley? Marie
> Spokane,? WA
> ******************************
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> ?? To use a cliche, we're working on it.
> ?? Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline.? However,
> there
> are
> ?? restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently
> stand.
> ?? There are no provisions for multiple dues levels,
> ?? particularly pertaining to how a member elects to have their club
> ?? publications delivered, etc.? That will take time as any changes
> or
> ?? amendments must be approved by the whole membership.
> ?? The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would continue as a
> print
> ?? publication for all except foreign members who elect to receive it
> ?? digitally.
> ?? As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is so
> ?? expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per
> unit
> ?? cost.? So as fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per
> unit
> ?? increases but not proportionately.
> ?? An apples to apples comparison was made between an online printer
> and
> ?? the current printer for both printing and mailing and the
> difference
> ?? was pennies.? That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run.
> ?? As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have the
> most
> ?? influence as to how and where their product is produced.? They are
> the
> ?? ones who must work with the printers and mailing houses on a
> regular
> ?? basis.
> ?? Bob Reid
> ?? In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> ?? [21][34]asajay at asajay.com writes:
> ???? The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was
> ???? interested
> ???? in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so
> for
> ???? me,
> ???? it's a wait and see kind of thing.? I agree, if POCA was missing
> out
> ???? on
> ???? full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is
> amiss.
> ???? However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs
> ???? properly.? I have more faith that the present board members will
> ???? properly investigate and sort it out for everyone.
> ???? I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's
> nice
> ???? to
> ???? just sit back and read a paper copy too.? It's also easier to
> ???? hand-off
> ???? to Sam so he can read it later.? How do you really fix that?
> ???? I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress
> membership
> ???? database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the
> ???? member's
> ???? profile or details.? Just as I can set an address and phone
> number,
> ???? if I
> ???? could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper copies, or
> both,
> ???? and
> ???? select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus
> Newsletter),
> ???? that might be ideal.
> ???? However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting.? It very
> well
> ???? could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does
> to
> ???? print
> ???? 50, or 10 (but I doubt it).? I imagine those are considerations
> the
> ???? board will look at as well.
> ???? Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard
> (from
> ???? more
> ???? than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because
> POCA
> ???? changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content
> that
> ???? in
> ???? essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws.? For a guy that
> ???? appeared
> ???? to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and
> ???? it's
> ???? unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they
> ???? applied
> ???? to him.
> ???? For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers
> ???? -twice-
> ???? since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got
> out
> ???? of
> ???? the business.? So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was
> not
> ???? a
> ???? factor in the resignations.
> ???? Just my $1.50? (two cents adjusted for inflation)
> ???? Asa? Jay
> ???? Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> ???? &? Shelley Marie
> ???? Spokane, WA
> ???? ******************************
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> ???? [23][36]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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> I have a couple questions Bob:
>> Calling this situation "multiple dues levels" seems to be making
> the
> issue too complex. There are some members that are opting to not have
> printed magazines mailed which should make those members eligible for
> a
> discount because of the savings.
>> What is your estimate of the length of time that it would take the
> board to arrange for a vote of the membership to change the bylaws to
> allow for this discount?
>> Who specifically made that apples-to-apples comparison you refer
> to?
>> I agree that the editors should have the most influence on the
> process. However, our editors of both publications seem to have a
> hard
> time reporting to the members about ANY issues pertaining to the
> publication's themselves. Might that change in the near future or
> will
> radio silence be the norm here?
> Marshall Smith
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
> <[28][41]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: [29][42]asajay at asajay.com,
> [30][43]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
> To use a cliche, we're working on it.
> Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline. However, there
> are
> restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently stand.
> There
> are no provisions for multiple dues levels, particularly pertaining
> to
> how a
> member elects to have their club publications delivered, etc. That
> will
> take time as any changes or amendments must be approved by the whole
> membership.
> The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would continue as a print
> publication for all except foreign members who elect to receive it
> digitally.
> As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is so
> expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit
> cost. So as
> fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit increases but
> not
> proportionately.
> An apples to apples comparison was made between an online printer and
> the
> current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference was
> pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run.
> As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have the most
> influence as to how and where their product is produced. They are the
> ones who
> must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular basis.
> Bob Reid
> In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [31][44]asajay at asajay.com writes:
> The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was
> interested
> in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for me,
> it's a wait and see kind of thing. I agree, if POCA was missing out
> on
> full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss.
> However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs
> properly. I have more faith that the present board members will
> properly investigate and sort it out for everyone.
> I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's nice
> to
> just sit back and read a paper copy too. It's also easier to hand-off
> to Sam so he can read it later. How do you really fix that?
> I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress membership
> database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the
> member's
> profile or details. Just as I can set an address and phone number, if
> I
> could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper copies, or both,
> and
> select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus Newsletter),
> that might be ideal.
> However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting. It very well
> could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to
> print
> 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine those are considerations the
> board will look at as well.
> Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard (from
> more
> than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because POCA
> changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content that
> in
> essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws. For a guy that
> appeared
> to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and it's
> unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they
> applied
> to him.
> For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers -twice-
> since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got out
> of
> the business. So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was not a
> factor in the resignations.
> Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for inflation)
> Asa Jay
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [32][45]http://w7tsc.org/
> [33][46]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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> list. They
> also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or
> approve
> the
> archiving of list messages.
> To use a cliche, we're working on it.
> Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline. However, there
> are
> restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently stand.
> There are no provisions for multiple dues levels,
> particularly pertaining to how a member elects to have their club
> publications delivered, etc. That will take time as any changes or
> amendments must be approved by the whole membership.
> The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would continue as a
> print
> publication for all except foreign members who elect to receive it
> digitally.
> As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is so
> expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit
> cost. So as fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit
> increases but not proportionately.
> An apples to apples comparison was made between an online printer
> and
> the current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference
> was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run.
> As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have the most
> influence as to how and where their product is produced. They are
> the
> ones who must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular
> basis.
> Bob Reid
> In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [36][49]asajay at asajay.com writes:
> The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was
> interested
> in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for
> me,
> it's a wait and see kind of thing. I agree, if POCA was missing
> out
> on
> full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss.
> However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs
> properly. I have more faith that the present board members will
> properly investigate and sort it out for everyone.
> I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's
> nice
> to
> just sit back and read a paper copy too. It's also easier to
> hand-off
> to Sam so he can read it later. How do you really fix that?
> I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress membership
> database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the
> member's
> profile or details. Just as I can set an address and phone
> number,
> if I
> could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper copies, or
> both,
> and
> select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus
> Newsletter),
> that might be ideal.
> However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting. It very
> well
> could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to
> print
> 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine those are considerations
> the
> board will look at as well.
> Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard (from
> more
> than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because POCA
> changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content
> that
> in
> essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws. For a guy that
> appeared
> to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and
> it's
> unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they
> applied
> to him.
> For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers
> -twice-
> since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got
> out
> of
> the business. So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was
> not
> a
> factor in the resignations.
> Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for inflation)
> Asa Jay
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [37][50]http://w7tsc.org/
> [38][51]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:56:45 -0700
> From: Michael Cox <[43][56]coxmichaelt at gmail.com>
> To: [44][57]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
> Message-ID:
>
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> .com
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> From: Ed Mendez <[46][59]edducati at mac.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
>>
>> Hi! I found this on eBay and thought you might like it! Check it
> out
> now! De Tomaso:
>> Other Pantera GTS [47][60]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
> These guys found that ad too. :^)
>
> [48][61]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
> a-ha
> s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
> --michael cox
> -------------- next part --------------
>> From: Ed Mendez <[1][49][62]edducati at mac.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
>> A
>> Hi! I found this on eBay and thought you might like it! Check it
> out
> now!A De Tomaso:
>> Other Pantera GTSA [2][50][63]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
> These guys found that ad too. A :^)
>
> [3][51][64]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pan
> tera
> -has
> -only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
> A A --michael cox
> References
> 1. [52][65]mailto:edducati at mac.com
> 2. [53][66]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC
> 3.
>
> [54][67]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-panter
> a-ha
> s-only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/
> ------------------------------
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 08:05:15 -0700
> From: "Stephen" <[55][68]steve at snclocks.com>
> To: "'marshallgsmith'" <[56][69]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
> <[57][70]P6746 at aol.com>, <[58][71]asajay at asajay.com>,
> <[59][72]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
> Message-ID: <[73]004701d1f706$6ead4a50$4c07def0$@snclocks.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> Having been on Boards before - I'd suggest the current Board deserves
> some time to catch their breath and recover from the situation they
> have recently been through. It is amazing how much time something
> like
> this takes - and I suspect everyone on the Board would like to catch
> up
> on all the things they have let slide while coping with the removal
> of
> a president and all the animosity and e-mails the whole mess
> generated.
> It's so easy to ask questions - but takes a lot more time to figure
> out
> how to do everything asked below. For now, let's just let the Board
> recover and slowly get some of the loose ends taken care of.
> Stephen Nelson
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
> [[60][74]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf Of marshallgsmith
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 8:28 PM
> To: [61][75]P6746 at aol.com; [62][76]asajay at asajay.com;
> [63][77]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
> I have a couple questions Bob:
>> Calling this situation "multiple dues levels" seems to be making
> the
> issue too complex. There are some members that are opting to not have
> printed magazines mailed which should make those members eligible for
> a
> discount because of the savings.
>> What is your estimate of the length of time that it would take the
> board to arrange for a vote of the membership to change the bylaws to
> allow for this discount?
>> Who specifically made that apples-to-apples comparison you refer
> to?
>> I agree that the editors should have the most influence on the
> process. However, our editors of both publications seem to have a
> hard
> time reporting to the members about ANY issues pertaining to the
> publication's themselves. Might that change in the near future or
> will
> radio silence be the norm here?
> Marshall Smith
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: P6746--- via DeTomaso
> <[64][78]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: [65][79]asajay at asajay.com,
> [66][80]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
> To use a cliche, we're working on it.
> Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline. However, there
> are
> restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently stand.
> There are no provisions for multiple dues levels, particularly
> pertaining to how a member elects to have their club publications
> delivered, etc. That will take time as any changes or amendments must
> be approved by the whole membership.
> The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would continue as a print
> publication for all except foreign members who elect to receive it
> digitally.
> As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is so
> expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit
> cost. So as fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit
> increases but not proportionately.
> An apples to apples comparison was made between an online printer and
> the current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference
> was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run.
> As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have the most
> influence as to how and where their product is produced. They are the
> ones who must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular
> basis.
> Bob Reid
> In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [67][81]asajay at asajay.com writes:
> The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was
> interested
> in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for me,
> it's a wait and see kind of thing. I agree, if POCA was missing out
> on
> full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss.
> However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs
> properly. I have more faith that the present board members will
> properly investigate and sort it out for everyone.
> I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's nice
> to
> just sit back and read a paper copy too. It's also easier to hand-off
> to Sam so he can read it later. How do you really fix that?
> I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress membership
> database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the
> member's profile or details. Just as I can set an address and phone
> number, if I could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper
> copies,
> or both, and select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus
> Newsletter), that might be ideal.
> However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting. It very well
> could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to
> print
> 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine those are considerations the
> board will look at as well.
> Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard (from
> more
> than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because POCA
> changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content that
> in
> essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws. For a guy that
> appeared
> to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and it's
> unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they
> applied to him.
> For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers -twice-
> since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got out
> of
> the business. So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was not a
> factor in the resignations.
> Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for inflation) Asa Jay
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie
> Spokane,
> WA
> ******************************
> [68][82]http://w7tsc.org/
> [69][83]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> _______________________________________________
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> To use a cliche, we're working on it.
> Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline. However, there
> are
> restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently stand.
> There are no provisions for multiple dues levels,
> particularly pertaining to how a member elects to have their club
> publications delivered, etc. That will take time as any changes or
> amendments must be approved by the whole membership.
> The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would continue as a print
> publication for all except foreign members who elect to receive it
> digitally.
> As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is so
> expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit
> cost. So as fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit
> increases but not proportionately.
> An apples to apples comparison was made between an online printer and
> the current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference
> was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run.
> As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have the most
> influence as to how and where their product is produced. They are the
> ones who must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular
> basis.
> Bob Reid
> In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [72][86]asajay at asajay.com writes:
> The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was
> interested
> in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for
> me,
> it's a wait and see kind of thing. I agree, if POCA was missing out
> on
> full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss.
> However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs
> properly. I have more faith that the present board members will
> properly investigate and sort it out for everyone.
> I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's nice
> to
> just sit back and read a paper copy too. It's also easier to
> hand-off
> to Sam so he can read it later. How do you really fix that?
> I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress membership
> database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the
> member's
> profile or details. Just as I can set an address and phone number,
> if I
> could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper copies, or both,
> and
> select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus Newsletter),
> that might be ideal.
> However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting. It very well
> could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to
> print
> 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine those are considerations the
> board will look at as well.
> Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard (from
> more
> than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because POCA
> changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content that
> in
> essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws. For a guy that
> appeared
> to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and
> it's
> unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they
> applied
> to him.
> For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers
> -twice-
> since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got out
> of
> the business. So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was not
> a
> factor in the resignations.
> Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for inflation)
> Asa Jay
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [73][87]http://w7tsc.org/
> [74][88]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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> 4. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
> 5. mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com
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