[DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
Effie Richards
erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
Mon Aug 15 14:02:29 EDT 2016
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-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Will Kooiman
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 8:59 AM
To: marshallgsmith; Asa Jay Laughton; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
Hi Marshall,
At the time, things were pretty nasty online. It was probably better to not
hash the details in a public forum. I say, if the nasty online comments
were allowed, then the printer issue cost should have been posted as well
for all of us to see.
I reached out to a few people while it was nasty, and I got the same
explanation that Judy posted. Basically, the printer costs were about the
same - and not $8,000 cheaper.
But like I said, it didn¹t make sense to hash details. I say just a
statement that there was not an actual proposal with savings submitted by
MS, (if that was true), would have not been a "hash details" but a most
important and deserving information to us all.
I still think the best solution is to have 6 color mailings with the
newsletter and Profiles merged. Profiles is a great looking magazine.
Jack provides great content. Let Jack continue to provide technical
articles. Task local chapters to produce content for local updates. And
task the editor to pull it all together into Profiles. The BOD can produce
content for national events.
Will.
On 8/14/16, 10:27 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of marshallgsmith"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Hey Asa...
>
> Don't apologize so quickly.
>
> What I don't understand is why we are just receiving this information
> now. By all appearances, Jack and Mike picked up their marbles and went
> home because they didn't want to change printers regardless of the (now
> incorrect) $8,000 savings. This seemingly put our editors in a bad
> light. Additionally, neither spoke up which made matters look worse.
> Knowing this information before hand would have saved a lot of
> discontent and innuendo.
>
> This smacks of the age-old POCA board making the decisions but not
> sharing the details with the membership which in this case would have
> painted the old board in a much better light.
>
> Marshall
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> Date: 8/13/16 7:16 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
> I stand corrected. I received the same pdf attachment as everyone else
> and it appears Jack's resignation -was- tied to switching printers
> (though not for the presumed reasons I was made aware of previously).
> My apologies for the mistake and thank you to those who were able to
> clear that up.
> Asa Jay
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://w7tsc.org
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf Of Will Kooiman
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 8:59 AM
To: marshallgsmith; Asa Jay Laughton; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
Hi Marshall,
At the time, things were pretty nasty online. It was probably better
to not hash the details in a public forum. I say, if the nasty online
comments were allowed, then the printer issue cost should have been
posted as well for all of us to see.
I reached out to a few people while it was nasty, and I got the same
explanation that Judy posted. Basically, the printer costs were about
the same - and not $8,000 cheaper.
But like I said, it didn^1t make sense to hash details. I say just a
statement that there was not an actual proposal with savings submitted
by MS, (if that was true), would have not been a "hash details" but a
most important and deserving information to us all.
I still think the best solution is to have 6 color mailings with the
newsletter and Profiles merged. Profiles is a great looking magazine.
Jack provides great content. Let Jack continue to provide technical
articles. Task local chapters to produce content for local updates.
And task the editor to pull it all together into Profiles. The BOD can
produce content for national events.
Will.
On 8/14/16, 10:27 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of marshallgsmith"
<[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Hey Asa...
>
> Don't apologize so quickly.
>
> What I don't understand is why we are just receiving this
information
> now. By all appearances, Jack and Mike picked up their marbles and
went
> home because they didn't want to change printers regardless of the
(now
> incorrect) $8,000 savings. This seemingly put our editors in a bad
> light. Additionally, neither spoke up which made matters look
worse.
> Knowing this information before hand would have saved a lot of
> discontent and innuendo.
>
> This smacks of the age-old POCA board making the decisions but not
> sharing the details with the membership which in this case would
have
> painted the old board in a much better light.
>
> Marshall
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Asa Jay Laughton <[3]asajay at asajay.com>
> Date: 8/13/16 7:16 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
> I stand corrected. I received the same pdf attachment as everyone
else
> and it appears Jack's resignation -was- tied to switching printers
> (though not for the presumed reasons I was made aware of
previously).
> My apologies for the mistake and thank you to those who were able
to
> clear that up.
> Asa Jay
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [5]http://w7tsc.org
> [6]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
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