[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
Himes, Terry (397C)
terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
Sun Aug 14 10:40:59 EDT 2016
Wow. Does no one read? There is no debate. Just make paper copies to those who want/need it.
Make electronic copies for those to don't. Easy breezy. It is not a "ALL OR NONE" debate. Very simple.
It is almost funny to read the responses. Almost.
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
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From: Douglas Kelm <dakelm at qwest.net<mailto:dakelm at qwest.net>>
Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 5:24 PM
To: 'Stephen' <steve at snclocks.com<mailto:steve at snclocks.com>>, Terry Himes <Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>>, 'Forest Goodhart' <forestg at att.net<mailto:forestg at att.net>>, 'Jeff Detrich' <jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>>, "laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>" <laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>>
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Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
No paper = no membership renewal for me. Before the club eliminates paper copies all together, I suggest the membership be polled to see just what effect such an action has on the membership count. Why would someone subscribe to digital publications when they can just be forwarded from one member to another? I'm perfectly willing to pay a premium for printed material, but am not willing to pay squat for digital info.
Doug
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
I agree wholeheartedly! But, if those of us who want the paper lose it, well, I will have just wasted my $75 when I re-upped with the shortt gone.
No flaming - but please - don't take my paper away!
Stephen Nelson
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From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C)
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM
To: Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net<mailto:forestg at att.net>>; Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>>; laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
BUT….
Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority.
Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies.
Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive.
Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out..
IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-)
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net<mailto:forestg at att.net><mailto:forestg at att.net>>
Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net<mailto:forestg at att.net><mailto:forestg at att.net>>
Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM
To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com><mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>>, "laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com><mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>" <laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com><mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies.
From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com><mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>>
To: laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com><mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
<[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
save $8,000
Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about
$10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to
keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now.
Jeff
6559
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Wow. Does no one read? There is no debate. Just make paper copies
to those who want/need it.
Make electronic copies for those to don't. Easy breezy. It is not a
"ALL OR NONE" debate. Very simple.
It is almost funny to read the responses. Almost.
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
[1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
From: Douglas Kelm <[2]dakelm at qwest.net>
Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 5:24 PM
To: 'Stephen' <[3]steve at snclocks.com>, Terry Himes
<[4]Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>, 'Forest Goodhart' <[5]forestg at att.net>,
'Jeff Detrich' <[6]jjdetrich at gmail.com>, "[7]laurieferrari at aol.com"
<[8]laurieferrari at aol.com>
Cc: "[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
No paper = no membership renewal for me. Before the club eliminates
paper copies all together, I suggest the membership be polled to see
just what effect such an action has on the membership count. Why would
someone subscribe to digital publications when they can just be
forwarded from one member to another? I'm perfectly willing to pay a
premium for printed material, but am not willing to pay squat for
digital info.
Doug
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[11]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 4:37 PM
To: 'Himes, Terry (397C)'; 'Forest Goodhart'; 'Jeff Detrich';
[12]laurieferrari at aol.com
Cc: [13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
I agree wholeheartedly! But, if those of us who want the paper lose
it, well, I will have just wasted my $75 when I re-upped with the
shortt gone.
No flaming - but please - don't take my paper away!
Stephen Nelson
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[14]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C)
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM
To: Forest Goodhart <[15]forestg at att.net>; Jeff Detrich
<[16]jjdetrich at gmail.com>; [17]laurieferrari at aol.com
Cc: [18]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
BUT....
Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want
paper!! I would say they are in the minority.
Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a
member wants a paper copy of electronic copies.
Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day
after they arrive.
Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them,
but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect
dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out..
IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-)
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid
enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
[19]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<[20]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
From: DeTomaso
<[21]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<[22]mailto:detomaso-bounc
es at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Forest Goodhart
<[23]forestg at att.net<[24]mailto:forestg at att.net>>
Reply-To: Forest Goodhart
<[25]forestg at att.net<[26]mailto:forestg at att.net>>
Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM
To: Jeff Detrich
<[27]jjdetrich at gmail.com<[28]mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>>,
"[29]laurieferrari at aol.com<[30]mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>"
<[31]laurieferrari at aol.com<[32]mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>>
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"[33]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[34]mailto:detomaso at server.detoma
solist.com>"
<[35]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[36]mailto:detomaso at server.detoma
solist.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is
incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles.
With a true comparison the difference is pennies.
From: Jeff Detrich
<[37]jjdetrich at gmail.com<[38]mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>>
To: [39]laurieferrari at aol.com<[40]mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>
Cc:
[41]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[42]mailto:detomaso at server.detomas
olist.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
<[1][43]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[44]mailto:detomaso at server.d
etomasolist.com>> wrote:
save $8,000
Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out
about
$10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to
keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now.
Jeff
6559
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