[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17

Sat Aug 13 18:01:54 EDT 2016

Mark,A point made clear at the President's meeting in Las Vegas. That is why printing costs have become the issue. If printed newsletters went away there would be no printing costs. Personally I would be OK with electronic newsletters. That is what we do with our chapter newsletter. I do not find it so hard to print and staple a newsletter but apparently others do so I am fine with continuing to print and mail but at some point we will have to address costs, probably with a dues adjustment. Again I am OK with that.Forest

      From: Mark Charlton <pantera01826 at rogers.com>
 To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
 Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 2:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17

  If I was given a vote today, I would elect for printed full-color
  Profiles and downloadable-only (also color) e-mail delivery Newsletters
  (as International members have been getting for some time now).

  I really dislike having to view everything on a computer and/or having
  to self-print onto loose pages. I wonder how many of us has EVER thrown
  out an issue of Profiles? Certainly not me.

  And, as a very distant (from SoCal) POCA member, pretty much the most
  tangible benefit of my membership has been the printed materials and
  content of course. I am very happy to see a modern website with the
  back issues and articles as downloads as well, but if my membership was
  entirely digital (and more work for me) it would be less attractive to
  me.

  Mark Charlton
  [1]pantera01826 at rogers.com

  On Aug 13, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Julian Kift <[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
  wrote:

    The fact that the Profiles and Newsletters are now online (and
    hopefully at some point searchable for content and articles) I think
    adds a lot to the argument of paper vs. no paper. I must admit I do
    like the full color Profiles magazine in paper form in hand, the B&W
    newsletter would be easy to print articles from as required.
    As for the trash can all copies of both Profiles and Newsletters are
    stored on my bookshelf since I joined POCA in 2006.
    Julian
      __________________________________________________________________
    From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
  behalf of
    Himes, Terry (397C) <[4]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
    Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM
    To: Forest Goodhart; Jeff Detrich; [5]laurieferrari at aol.com
    Cc: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
    BUT....
    Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want
    paper!!    I would say they are in the minority.
    Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether
  a
    member wants a paper copy of electronic copies.
    Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day
    after they arrive.
    Same Same for the newsletter.  Let the members who want paper get
  them,
    but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that
    just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out..
    IMHO.  Feel free to flame me.  ;-)
    "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
      stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
    Terry W. Himes
    JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
    Dawn Spacecraft Team
    Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
    Phone: (818) 393-6261
    Cell:    (818) 653-8213
    Fax:    (818) 393-3147

References

  1. mailto:pantera01826 at rogers.com
  2. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
  4. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
  5. mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com
  6. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com

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   Mark,
   A point made clear at the President's meeting in Las Vegas. That is why
   printing costs have become the issue. If printed newsletters went away
   there would be no printing costs. Personally I would be OK with
   electronic newsletters. That is what we do with our chapter newsletter.
   I do not find it so hard to print and staple a newsletter but
   apparently others do so I am fine with continuing to print and mail but
   at some point we will have to address costs, probably with a dues
   adjustment. Again I am OK with that.
   Forest
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: Mark Charlton <pantera01826 at rogers.com>
   To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 2:49 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
     If I was given a vote today, I would elect for printed full-color
     Profiles and downloadable-only (also color) e-mail delivery
   Newsletters
     (as International members have been getting for some time now).
     I really dislike having to view everything on a computer and/or
   having
     to self-print onto loose pages. I wonder how many of us has EVER
   thrown
     out an issue of Profiles? Certainly not me.
     And, as a very distant (from SoCal) POCA member, pretty much the most
     tangible benefit of my membership has been the printed materials and
     content of course. I am very happy to see a modern website with the
     back issues and articles as downloads as well, but if my membership
   was
     entirely digital (and more work for me) it would be less attractive
   to
     me.
     Mark Charlton
     [1][1]pantera01826 at rogers.com
     On Aug 13, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Julian Kift
   <[2][2]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     wrote:
       The fact that the Profiles and Newsletters are now online (and
       hopefully at some point searchable for content and articles) I
   think
       adds a lot to the argument of paper vs. no paper. I must admit I do
       like the full color Profiles magazine in paper form in hand, the
   B&W
       newsletter would be easy to print articles from as required.
       As for the trash can all copies of both Profiles and Newsletters
   are
       stored on my bookshelf since I joined POCA in 2006.
       Julian

   __________________________________________________________________
       From: DeTomaso <[3][3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
     behalf of
       Himes, Terry (397C) <[4][4]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
       Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM
       To: Forest Goodhart; Jeff Detrich; [5][5]laurieferrari at aol.com
       Cc: [6][6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
       BUT....
       Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still
   want
       paper!!    I would say they are in the minority.
       Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect
   whether
     a
       member wants a paper copy of electronic copies.
       Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day
       after they arrive.
       Same Same for the newsletter.  Let the members who want paper get
     them,
       but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that
       just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out..
       IMHO.  Feel free to flame me.  ;-)
       "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
         stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
       Terry W. Himes
       JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
       Dawn Spacecraft Team
       Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
       Phone: (818) 393-6261
       Cell:    (818) 653-8213
       Fax:    (818) 393-3147
   References
     1. mailto:[7]pantera01826 at rogers.com
     2. mailto:[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com
     3. mailto:[9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
     4. mailto:[10]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
     5. mailto:[11]laurieferrari at aol.com
     6. mailto:[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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References

   1. mailto:pantera01826 at rogers.com
   2. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
   3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
   4. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
   5. mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com
   6. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   7. mailto:pantera01826 at rogers.com
   8. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
   9. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
  10. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
  11. mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com
  12. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  13. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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