[DeTomaso] Anybody know why the POCA general meeting last night did not occur?

[James coyne]

I totally agree Rob . Very well stated .


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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 4:12 AM
To: Roland; Pantera Mail List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anybody know why the POCA general meeting last night did not occur?

Roland, since even before MS was elected, he has been threatening members
with lawsuits apparently as a form of intimidation. His recent  comments
directly state he intends to destroy POCA as an organization, I assume for
his own pleasure or personal gain. I was not present on the call and did
not hear the context of such a ban, but if any one person's actions were to
not warrant such an outcome of being banned, what other behavior would have
to take place before it would reach that level? That is an open question
for everybody to decide personally.

Is it more civil to degrade and intimidate in order to get others to quit
or to set standards for expected behavior and let those standards apply to
all members? The third option is to allow toxic behavior to fracture the
club which is what has been happening the past 7 months.

MS added me to his list of people to sue  along the way as I was called a
"Backstabbing Motherf$!@er". I can live with those petty threats, I just
choose not to.  Setting standards of decency that do not allow bullying and
threats seems like a good idea to me, but I am just one opinion.

On Aug 12, 2016 3:59 AM, "Roland" <willibillie at live.de> wrote:
>
> First of all, i don't like the actions MS did !
> But banning MS for life? Isn't banning for life a relict from the dark
age? What about his supporters? Send them out with a sign "I'm guilty" ? MS
was voted by many for his promisises making Poca great again ( didn't i
hear this very often lataly) What about his voters? Are they ashamed, for
what he has done? No ! I haven't heard of one !
>
> Roland
>
> > Am 11.08.2016 um 22:42 schrieb Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>:
> >
> >   He should have used PST, because Joe lives in AZ where they have no
> >   DST. At the moment AZ time and CA time are the same.
> >
> >   Sorry
> >
> >   It lasted until 7.58, but it was a great meeting, it was so much less
> >   tense.
> >   In a nutshell.
> >   Bob publicly announced and made a commitment that we will not be
> >   returning to pre-2016 BOD ways, keeping all the MS changes, keeping
> >   finances and BOD meetings open, etc.
> >   Waiting 1 week on Mike Burnett for a decision on his VP position
> >   Board appointments:
> >   Les is Past President
> >   Mike H is Profiles
> >   Jack D is Newsletter
> >   Josette is Store manager (non-board)
> >   Talked about the store and the website
> >   Talked about banning MS for life.
> >   Ed
> >
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   I totally agree Rob . Very well stated .
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   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
   Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 4:12 AM
   To: Roland; Pantera Mail List
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anybody know why the POCA general meeting last
   night did not occur?

   Roland, since even before MS was elected, he has been threatening
   members
   with lawsuits apparently as a form of intimidation. His recent
   comments
   directly state he intends to destroy POCA as an organization, I assume
   for
   his own pleasure or personal gain. I was not present on the call and
   did
   not hear the context of such a ban, but if any one person's actions
   were to
   not warrant such an outcome of being banned, what other behavior would
   have
   to take place before it would reach that level? That is an open
   question
   for everybody to decide personally.
   Is it more civil to degrade and intimidate in order to get others to
   quit
   or to set standards for expected behavior and let those standards apply
   to
   all members? The third option is to allow toxic behavior to fracture
   the
   club which is what has been happening the past 7 months.
   MS added me to his list of people to sue  along the way as I was called
   a
   "Backstabbing Motherf$!@er". I can live with those petty threats, I
   just
   choose not to.  Setting standards of decency that do not allow bullying
   and
   threats seems like a good idea to me, but I am just one opinion.
   On Aug 12, 2016 3:59 AM, "Roland" <willibillie at live.de> wrote:
   >
   > First of all, i don't like the actions MS did !
   > But banning MS for life? Isn't banning for life a relict from the
   dark
   age? What about his supporters? Send them out with a sign "I'm guilty"
   ? MS
   was voted by many for his promisises making Poca great again ( didn't i
   hear this very often lataly) What about his voters? Are they ashamed,
   for
   what he has done? No ! I haven't heard of one !
   >
   > Roland
   >
   > > Am 11.08.2016 um 22:42 schrieb Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>:
   > >
   > >   He should have used PST, because Joe lives in AZ where they have
   no
   > >   DST. At the moment AZ time and CA time are the same.
   > >
   > >   Sorry
   > >
   > >   It lasted until 7.58, but it was a great meeting, it was so much
   less
   > >   tense.
   > >   In a nutshell.
   > >   Bob publicly announced and made a commitment that we will not be
   > >   returning to pre-2016 BOD ways, keeping all the MS changes,
   keeping
   > >   finances and BOD meetings open, etc.
   > >   Waiting 1 week on Mike Burnett for a decision on his VP position
   > >   Board appointments:
   > >   Les is Past President
   > >   Mike H is Profiles
   > >   Jack D is Newsletter
   > >   Josette is Store manager (non-board)
   > >   Talked about the store and the website
   > >   Talked about banning MS for life.
   > >   Ed
   > >