[DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma

Ken Green kenn_green at yahoo.com
Wed Aug 10 15:06:29 EDT 2016


I have a vague recollection of problems when aluminum heads were on iron blocks (dis-similar metals)?  I'm not sure how this applies to an aluminum radiator.
Maybe we should get back to basics, are we talking about galvanic corrosion?  If so, this is a good place to start:
Galvanic corrosion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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      From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
 To: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com> 
Cc: Pantera Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
   
  With a brand new aluminum block and head engine, how much do I need to
  worry about adding in an anode?
  Are there any options for installing an in-line anode unit that can
  beA
  added to an upper swirl tank hose?

  Rob DuMoulin
  904.476.8744
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  On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Stephen <[4]steve at snclocks.com>
  wrote:

    A  A I was interested to note the recommendation for a magnesium
    anode - I
    A  A have zinc anodes in several of my cars that have aluminum heads
    or
    A  A radiators.A  So, I looked it up on line:
    A  A Magnesium has a low current capacity. Like a bowl of nuts, it's
    quickly
    A  A eaten. Zinc and aluminum are akin to a plate piled high with
    home
    A  A cooking. The meal lasts longer. So, though magnesium offers
    more
    A  A protective electrons faster, it protects for only about
    one-third the
    A  A time of zinc, and just one-fifth the time of aluminum.
    A  A [1][5]http://www.boatingmag.com/how-to/choosing-right-
    sacrificial-anode
    A  A Stephen Nelson
    A  A -----Original Message-----
    A  A From: DeTomaso [mailto:[6]detomaso-bounces@
    server.detomasolist.com] On
    A  A Behalf Of Roland
    A  A Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:03 AM
    A  A To: thomas <[7]thomas at hax.se>
    A  A Cc: [8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
    A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
    A  A I was asking, because i know from my boating hobby, that an
    anode, that
    A  A is not eaten up, doesn't do anything in the system.
    A  A Roland
    A  A > Am 10.08.2016 um 09:16 schrieb thomas <[2][9]thomas at hax.se>:
    A  A >
    A  A > I got it from a local marine shop.
    A  A >
    A  A > It looks like this: [3][10]http://www.boatzincs.com/
    engine-sizes.html
    A  A >
    A  A > And it is probably zinc, not magnesium. Was probably
    confusing it
    A  A with the anode in some water boilers.
    A  A >
    A  A > Thomas
    A  A >
    A  A >> 10 aug. 2016 kl. 09:03 skrev Christer Eriksson
    A  A <[4][11]unnerstad.ekelund at gmail.com>:
    A  A >>
    A  A >> ...and where do you buy the them? Seams like a smart
    solution that
    A  A >> I'd like to copy :)
    A  A >>
    A  A >> Christer
    A  A >>
    A  A >> Skickat fraan min iPhone
    A  A >>
    A  A >>> 10 aug. 2016 kl. 08:44 skrev Roland
    <[5][12]willibillie at live.de>:
    A  A >>>
    A  A >>> Interesting about the anode. How often did you have to
    change it in
    A  A ten years?
    A  A >>>
    A  A >>> Roland
    A  A >>>
    A  A >>>> Am 10.08.2016 um 03:14 schrieb Thomas Toernblom
    A  A <[6][13]tipo874 at gmail.com>:
    A  A >>>>
    A  A >>>> I installed a magnesium anode instead of the drain cock in
    my
    A  A Fluidyne radiator a few years back. I've had this radiator for
    well
    A  A over ten years without issues.
    A  A >>>>
    A  A >>>> I use propylene antifreeze and soft water.
    A  A >>>>
    A  A >>>> Thomas
    A  A >>>>
    A  A >>>>> 9 aug. 2016 kl. 23:29 skrev Larry Stock
    A  A <[7][14]larrys at panteraparts.com>:
    A  A >>>>>
    A  A >>>>> The Pantera Parts Connection Fluidyne system with shroud
    and fans
    A  A >>>>> runs
    A  A >>>>> $1250.00 complete. We have never had one fail since
    running the
    A  A >>>>> No-rossion water treatment additive to insure the Lucas
    A  A electrical
    A  A >>>>> back-feed doesn^1t turn the Aluminum radiator into an
    anode,
    A  A which
    A  A >>>>> is the main reason for aluminum radiators to fail. BTW
    Soft water
    A  A >>>>> works best for filling your system against electrolysis.
    Larry
    A  A >>>>>
    A  A >>>>> On 8/9/16, 1:28 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken and Lela
    A  A MacArthur"
    A  A >>>>> <[15]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf
    of
    A  A >>>>> [8][16]klckmac at msn.com>
    A  A >>>>> wrote:
    A  A >>>>>
    A  A >>>>>> Jack,
    A  A >>>>>>
    A  A >>>>>> I received lots of good feedback on radiators recently
    as you
    A  A may
    A  A >>>>>> have seen. I have an older Hall Brass radiator that was
    in good
    A  A >>>>>> shape overall in our car which I decided to repair for a
    couple
    A  A >>>>>> hundred bucks and add their Mariah fans since mine were
    stock.
    A  A >>>>>> Many people like the Hall one. Many liked aluminum,
    especially
    A  A >>>>>> the Ron Davis sold by Pantera Performance.
    A  A >>>>>>
    A  A >>>>>> Dennis Quella @ [1][9][17]http://
    panteraperformance.com/A  was
    A  A >>>>>> recommended for a high quality, all tig welded aluminum
    setup
    A  A >>>>>> from Ron Davis racing. I was told they do not stock them
    and
    A  A they
    A  A >>>>>> special order them as needed, takes about 3 weeks to a
    month. I
    A  A >>>>>> believe his radiator and fans package are around $1600.
    A  A >>>>>>
    A  A >>>>>> Doing some research, I came across Brassworks, haven't
    heard of
    A  A >>>>>> anyone but they do reference a Pantera owner on their
    site. They
    A  A >>>>>> are kind of expensive, around $1300. There may be other
    A  A >>>>>> Brass/copper radiators done by others, but I haven't
    seen any.
    A  A >>>>>>
    A  A >>>>>> Sooo, timing and money were one factor for us, plus our
    radiator
    A  A >>>>>> is repairable and works well, will work even better once
    the
    A  A fans
    A  A >>>>>> and correct relays are in. The Hall radiator is around
    $600
    A  A brand new.
    A  A >>>>>> [2][10][18]http://hallpantera.com/
    A  A >>>>>>
    A  A >>>>>> Hope this helps some, good luck.
    A  A >>>>>>
    A  A >>>>>> Ken MacArthur
    A  A >>>>>>
    A  A >>>>>> 72L 4443
    A  A >>>>>>
    A  A ____________________________________________________________
    _____
    A  A >>>>>> _
    A  A >>>>>>
    A  A >>>>>> From: DeTomaso <[11][19]detomaso-bounces at server.
    detomasolist.com> on
    A  A >>>>>> behalf of Bill Moore <[12][20]bill at incendium.com>
    A  A >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:32 PM
    A  A >>>>>> To: 'Jack Donahue'; [13][21]detomaso at server.
    detomasolist.com
    A  A >>>>>> Cc: [14][22]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
    A  A >>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
    A  A >>>>>>
    A  A >>>>>> Hello Jack:
    A  A >>>>>> What seems to be the problem with your existing setup,
    you have
    A  A >>>>>> had it
    A  A >>>>>> 12 years ?
    A  A >>>>>> Cheers:
    A  A >>>>>> Please use my [15][23]bill at incendium.com email address
    in all
    A  A messages.
    A  A >>>>>> Bill Moore
    A  A >>>>>> Incendium Supply Ltd.
    A  A >>>>>> Suite 416, #305-4625 Varsity Drive N.W.
    A  A >>>>>> Calgary, AB T3A 0Z9
    A  A >>>>>> [24]403.202.0055
    A  A >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
    A  A >>>>>> From: DeTomaso
    A  A >>>>>> [[3][16]mailto:[25]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.
    com] On
    A  A Behalf Of
    A  A >>>>>> Jack Donahue
    A  A >>>>>> Sent: August-09-16 1:23 PM
    A  A >>>>>> To: [17][26]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
    A  A >>>>>> Cc: [18][27]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
    A  A >>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma Hey all - I need
    some good
    A  A >>>>>> advice on radiators. I currently have a Fluidyne
    performance
    A  A unit
    A  A >>>>>> without a shroud. I've been told that a shroud is a
    necessity,
    A  A >>>>>> which I understand. I've had it for about 12 years now -
    no
    A  A >>>>>> leaks. The rumblings on The List lean towards a unit by
    Dennis
    A  A >>>>>> Quella(?) - don't know the correct spelling or the
    company, but
    A  A >>>>>> the last I had read from someone was just to get his
    radiator
    A  A and
    A  A >>>>>> "be done with it". I think it was a double-pass (I guess
    that's
    A  A >>>>>> good) - and I assume it's shrouded. Another side of me
    asks -
    A  A >>>>>> which is better - copper or aluminum? And Why? I know
    the copper
    A  A >>>>>> units are heavier, but I am not concerned about extra
    weight. I
    A  A >>>>>> am familiar with the companyA  - Brassworks - they have
    been at
    A  A it
    A  A >>>>>> since the early 1900's. Ken and Lela MacArthur had
    mentioned
    A  A >>>>>> Brassworks in July. So - here we go - I know the
    discussion will
    A  A >>>>>> generate a fair amount of opinions - which I always
    welcome,
    A  A >>>>>> since it will generate more questions too. Looking
    forward to
    A  A hearing from all the experts - i know you are out there.
    A  A >>>>>> jack #4348
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    to/choosing-right-sacrificial-anode
    A  A 2. mailto:[47]thomas at hax.se
    A  A 3. [48]http://www.boatzincs.com/engine-sizes.html
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    A  A 5. mailto:[50]willibillie at live.de
    A  A 6. mailto:[51]tipo874 at gmail.com
    A  A 7. mailto:[52]larrys at panteraparts.com
    A  A 8. mailto:[53]klckmac at msn.com
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   I have a vague recollection of problems when aluminum heads were on
   iron blocks (dis-similar metals)?  I'm not sure how this applies to an
   aluminum radiator.
   Maybe we should get back to basics, are we talking about galvanic
   corrosion?  If so, this is a good place to start:
   [1]Galvanic corrosion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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   From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
   To: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
   Cc: Pantera Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:03 AM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
     With a brand new aluminum block and head engine, how much do I need
   to
     worry about adding in an anode?
     Are there any options for installing an in-line anode unit that can
     beA
     added to an upper swirl tank hose?
     Rob DuMoulin
     904.476.8744
     [1][5]rob at dumoulins.net
     [2]www.kbsi.co
     [3][6]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
     On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Stephen <[4][7]steve at snclocks.com>
     wrote:
       A  A I was interested to note the recommendation for a magnesium
       anode - I
       A  A have zinc anodes in several of my cars that have aluminum
   heads
       or
       A  A radiators.A  So, I looked it up on line:
       A  A Magnesium has a low current capacity. Like a bowl of nuts,
   it's
       quickly
       A  A eaten. Zinc and aluminum are akin to a plate piled high with
       home
       A  A cooking. The meal lasts longer. So, though magnesium offers
       more
       A  A protective electrons faster, it protects for only about
       one-third the
       A  A time of zinc, and just one-fifth the time of aluminum.
       A  A [1][5][8]http://www.boatingmag.com/how-to/choosing-right-
       sacrificial-anode
       A  A Stephen Nelson
       A  A -----Original Message-----
       A  A From: DeTomaso [mailto:[6]detomaso-bounces@
       server.detomasolist.com] On
       A  A Behalf Of Roland
       A  A Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:03 AM
       A  A To: thomas <[7][9]thomas at hax.se>
       A  A Cc: [8][10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
       A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
       A  A I was asking, because i know from my boating hobby, that an
       anode, that
       A  A is not eaten up, doesn't do anything in the system.
       A  A Roland
       A  A > Am 10.08.2016 um 09:16 schrieb thomas
   <[2][9][11]thomas at hax.se>:
       A  A >
       A  A > I got it from a local marine shop.
       A  A >
       A  A > It looks like this: [3][10][12]http://www.boatzincs.com/
       engine-sizes.html
       A  A >
       A  A > And it is probably zinc, not magnesium. Was probably
       confusing it
       A  A with the anode in some water boilers.
       A  A >
       A  A > Thomas
       A  A >
       A  A >> 10 aug. 2016 kl. 09:03 skrev Christer Eriksson
       A  A <[4][11][13]unnerstad.ekelund at gmail.com>:
       A  A >>
       A  A >> ...and where do you buy the them? Seams like a smart
       solution that
       A  A >> I'd like to copy :)
       A  A >>
       A  A >> Christer
       A  A >>
       A  A >> Skickat fraan min iPhone
       A  A >>
       A  A >>> 10 aug. 2016 kl. 08:44 skrev Roland
       <[5][12][14]willibillie at live.de>:
       A  A >>>
       A  A >>> Interesting about the anode. How often did you have to
       change it in
       A  A ten years?
       A  A >>>
       A  A >>> Roland
       A  A >>>
       A  A >>>> Am 10.08.2016 um 03:14 schrieb Thomas Toernblom
       A  A <[6][13][15]tipo874 at gmail.com>:
       A  A >>>>
       A  A >>>> I installed a magnesium anode instead of the drain cock
   in
       my
       A  A Fluidyne radiator a few years back. I've had this radiator for
       well
       A  A over ten years without issues.
       A  A >>>>
       A  A >>>> I use propylene antifreeze and soft water.
       A  A >>>>
       A  A >>>> Thomas
       A  A >>>>
       A  A >>>>> 9 aug. 2016 kl. 23:29 skrev Larry Stock
       A  A <[7][14][16]larrys at panteraparts.com>:
       A  A >>>>>
       A  A >>>>> The Pantera Parts Connection Fluidyne system with shroud
       and fans
       A  A >>>>> runs
       A  A >>>>> $1250.00 complete. We have never had one fail since
       running the
       A  A >>>>> No-rossion water treatment additive to insure the Lucas
       A  A electrical
       A  A >>>>> back-feed doesn^1t turn the Aluminum radiator into an
       anode,
       A  A which
       A  A >>>>> is the main reason for aluminum radiators to fail. BTW
       Soft water
       A  A >>>>> works best for filling your system against electrolysis.
       Larry
       A  A >>>>>
       A  A >>>>> On 8/9/16, 1:28 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken and Lela
       A  A MacArthur"
       A  A >>>>> <[15][17]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on
   behalf
       of
       A  A >>>>> [8][16][18]klckmac at msn.com>
       A  A >>>>> wrote:
       A  A >>>>>
       A  A >>>>>> Jack,
       A  A >>>>>>
       A  A >>>>>> I received lots of good feedback on radiators recently
       as you
       A  A may
       A  A >>>>>> have seen. I have an older Hall Brass radiator that was
       in good
       A  A >>>>>> shape overall in our car which I decided to repair for
   a
       couple
       A  A >>>>>> hundred bucks and add their Mariah fans since mine were
       stock.
       A  A >>>>>> Many people like the Hall one. Many liked aluminum,
       especially
       A  A >>>>>> the Ron Davis sold by Pantera Performance.
       A  A >>>>>>
       A  A >>>>>> Dennis Quella @ [1][9][17]http://
       panteraperformance.com/A  was
       A  A >>>>>> recommended for a high quality, all tig welded aluminum
       setup
       A  A >>>>>> from Ron Davis racing. I was told they do not stock
   them
       and
       A  A they
       A  A >>>>>> special order them as needed, takes about 3 weeks to a
       month. I
       A  A >>>>>> believe his radiator and fans package are around $1600.
       A  A >>>>>>
       A  A >>>>>> Doing some research, I came across Brassworks, haven't
       heard of
       A  A >>>>>> anyone but they do reference a Pantera owner on their
       site. They
       A  A >>>>>> are kind of expensive, around $1300. There may be other
       A  A >>>>>> Brass/copper radiators done by others, but I haven't
       seen any.
       A  A >>>>>>
       A  A >>>>>> Sooo, timing and money were one factor for us, plus our
       radiator
       A  A >>>>>> is repairable and works well, will work even better
   once
       the
       A  A fans
       A  A >>>>>> and correct relays are in. The Hall radiator is around
       $600
       A  A brand new.
       A  A >>>>>> [2][10][18][19]http://hallpantera.com/
       A  A >>>>>>
       A  A >>>>>> Hope this helps some, good luck.
       A  A >>>>>>
       A  A >>>>>> Ken MacArthur
       A  A >>>>>>
       A  A >>>>>> 72L 4443
       A  A >>>>>>
       A  A ____________________________________________________________
       _____
       A  A >>>>>> _
       A  A >>>>>>
       A  A >>>>>> From: DeTomaso <[11][19][20]detomaso-bounces at server.
       detomasolist.com> on
       A  A >>>>>> behalf of Bill Moore <[12][20][21]bill at incendium.com>
       A  A >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:32 PM
       A  A >>>>>> To: 'Jack Donahue'; [13][21][22]detomaso at server.
       detomasolist.com
       A  A >>>>>> Cc: [14][22][23]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
       A  A >>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
       A  A >>>>>>
       A  A >>>>>> Hello Jack:
       A  A >>>>>> What seems to be the problem with your existing setup,
       you have
       A  A >>>>>> had it
       A  A >>>>>> 12 years ?
       A  A >>>>>> Cheers:
       A  A >>>>>> Please use my [15][23][24]bill at incendium.com email
   address
       in all
       A  A messages.
       A  A >>>>>> Bill Moore
       A  A >>>>>> Incendium Supply Ltd.
       A  A >>>>>> Suite 416, #305-4625 Varsity Drive N.W.
       A  A >>>>>> Calgary, AB T3A 0Z9
       A  A >>>>>> [24]403.202.0055
       A  A >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
       A  A >>>>>> From: DeTomaso
       A  A >>>>>>
   [[3][16]mailto:[25][25]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.
       com] On
       A  A Behalf Of
       A  A >>>>>> Jack Donahue
       A  A >>>>>> Sent: August-09-16 1:23 PM
       A  A >>>>>> To: [17][26][26]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
       A  A >>>>>> Cc: [18][27][27]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
       A  A >>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma Hey all - I need
       some good
       A  A >>>>>> advice on radiators. I currently have a Fluidyne
       performance
       A  A unit
       A  A >>>>>> without a shroud. I've been told that a shroud is a
       necessity,
       A  A >>>>>> which I understand. I've had it for about 12 years now
   -
       no
       A  A >>>>>> leaks. The rumblings on The List lean towards a unit by
       Dennis
       A  A >>>>>> Quella(?) - don't know the correct spelling or the
       company, but
       A  A >>>>>> the last I had read from someone was just to get his
       radiator
       A  A and
       A  A >>>>>> "be done with it". I think it was a double-pass (I
   guess
       that's
       A  A >>>>>> good) - and I assume it's shrouded. Another side of me
       asks -
       A  A >>>>>> which is better - copper or aluminum? And Why? I know
       the copper
       A  A >>>>>> units are heavier, but I am not concerned about extra
       weight. I
       A  A >>>>>> am familiar with the companyA  - Brassworks - they have
       been at
       A  A it
       A  A >>>>>> since the early 1900's. Ken and Lela MacArthur had
       mentioned
       A  A >>>>>> Brassworks in July. So - here we go - I know the
       discussion will
       A  A >>>>>> generate a fair amount of opinions - which I always
       welcome,
       A  A >>>>>> since it will generate more questions too. Looking
       forward to
       A  A hearing from all the experts - i know you are out there.
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       A  A 2. mailto:[47][47]thomas at hax.se
       A  A 3. [48][48]http://www.boatzincs.com/engine-sizes.html
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       A  A 5. mailto:[50][50]willibillie at live.de
       A  A 6. mailto:[51][51]tipo874 at gmail.com
       A  A 7. mailto:[52][52]larrys at panteraparts.com
       A  A 8. mailto:[53][53]klckmac at msn.com
       A  A 9. [54][54]http://panteraperformance.com/
       A  10. [55][55]http://hallpantera.com/
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