[DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
Roland
willibillie at live.de
Wed Aug 10 11:39:47 EDT 2016
Zink is used in salted water, in soft water we use aluminium anodes.
Roland
Gesendet vom Irgendwo im Nirgendwo.
Am 10.08.2016 um 16:49 schrieb Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>:
Stephen,
Yes I think zinc is what most would use and most common in the boating World. Fluidyne actually sell a zinc anode drain plug for their radiators;
https://www.summitracing.com/nv/parts/fld-fhp32004/overview/
They are very proud of these, a 1/4 npt "pencil anode" is available from West Marine or Amazon for less than half the price.
Last time I visited the Fluidynbe website they were recommending something other than 'No Rosion' now, but I cannot recall what it was and their website is now down for reconstruction.
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Stephen <steve at snclocks.com<mailto:steve at snclocks.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 7:24 AM
To: 'Roland'; 'thomas'
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
I was interested to note the recommendation for a magnesium anode – I have zinc anodes in several of my cars that have aluminum heads or radiators. So, I looked it up on line:
Magnesium has a low current capacity. Like a bowl of nuts, it’s quickly eaten. Zinc and aluminum are akin to a plate piled high with home cooking. The meal lasts longer. So, though magnesium offers more protective electrons faster, it protects for only about one-third the time of zinc, and just one-fifth the time of aluminum.
http://www.boatingmag.com/how-to/choosing-right-sacrificial-anode
Stephen Nelson
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From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Roland
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:03 AM
To: thomas <thomas at hax.se<mailto:thomas at hax.se>>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
I was asking, because i know from my boating hobby, that an anode, that is not eaten up, doesn't do anything in the system.
Roland
> Am 10.08.2016 um 09:16 schrieb thomas < <mailto:thomas at hax.se> thomas at hax.se<mailto:thomas at hax.se>>:
>
> I got it from a local marine shop.
>
> It looks like this: <http://www.boatzincs.com/engine-sizes.html> http://www.boatzincs.com/engine-sizes.html
>
> And it is probably zinc, not magnesium. Was probably confusing it with the anode in some water boilers.
>
> Thomas
>
>> 10 aug. 2016 kl. 09:03 skrev Christer Eriksson < <mailto:unnerstad.ekelund at gmail.com> unnerstad.ekelund at gmail.com<mailto:unnerstad.ekelund at gmail.com>>:
>>
>> ...and where do you buy the them? Seams like a smart solution that
>> I'd like to copy :)
>>
>> Christer
>>
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>>
>>> 10 aug. 2016 kl. 08:44 skrev Roland < <mailto:willibillie at live.de> willibillie at live.de<mailto:willibillie at live.de>>:
>>>
>>> Interesting about the anode. How often did you have to change it in ten years?
>>>
>>> Roland
>>>
>>>> Am 10.08.2016 um 03:14 schrieb Thomas Törnblom < <mailto:tipo874 at gmail.com> tipo874 at gmail.com<mailto:tipo874 at gmail.com>>:
>>>>
>>>> I installed a magnesium anode instead of the drain cock in my Fluidyne radiator a few years back. I've had this radiator for well over ten years without issues.
>>>>
>>>> I use propylene antifreeze and soft water.
>>>>
>>>> Thomas
>>>>
>>>>> 9 aug. 2016 kl. 23:29 skrev Larry Stock < <mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com> larrys at panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com>>:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Pantera Parts Connection Fluidyne system with shroud and fans
>>>>> runs
>>>>> $1250.00 complete. We have never had one fail since running the
>>>>> No-rossion water treatment additive to insure the Lucas electrical
>>>>> back-feed doesn¹t turn the Aluminum radiator into an anode, which
>>>>> is the main reason for aluminum radiators to fail. BTW Soft water
>>>>> works best for filling your system against electrolysis. Larry
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/9/16, 1:28 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken and Lela MacArthur"
>>>>> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>>>>> <mailto:klckmac at msn.com> klckmac at msn.com<mailto:klckmac at msn.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jack,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I received lots of good feedback on radiators recently as you may
>>>>>> have seen. I have an older Hall Brass radiator that was in good
>>>>>> shape overall in our car which I decided to repair for a couple
>>>>>> hundred bucks and add their Mariah fans since mine were stock.
>>>>>> Many people like the Hall one. Many liked aluminum, especially
>>>>>> the Ron Davis sold by Pantera Performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dennis Quella @ [1] <http://panteraperformance.com/> http://panteraperformance.com/ was
>>>>>> recommended for a high quality, all tig welded aluminum setup
>>>>>> from Ron Davis racing. I was told they do not stock them and they
>>>>>> special order them as needed, takes about 3 weeks to a month. I
>>>>>> believe his radiator and fans package are around $1600.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doing some research, I came across Brassworks, haven't heard of
>>>>>> anyone but they do reference a Pantera owner on their site. They
>>>>>> are kind of expensive, around $1300. There may be other
>>>>>> Brass/copper radiators done by others, but I haven't seen any.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sooo, timing and money were one factor for us, plus our radiator
>>>>>> is repairable and works well, will work even better once the fans
>>>>>> and correct relays are in. The Hall radiator is around $600 brand new.
>>>>>> [2] <http://hallpantera.com/> http://hallpantera.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps some, good luck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken MacArthur
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 72L 4443
>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>> _
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: DeTomaso < <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on
>>>>>> behalf of Bill Moore < <mailto:bill at incendium.com> bill at incendium.com<mailto:bill at incendium.com>>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:32 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Jack Donahue'; <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>>>>> Cc: <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Jack:
>>>>>> What seems to be the problem with your existing setup, you have
>>>>>> had it
>>>>>> 12 years ?
>>>>>> Cheers:
>>>>>> Please use my <mailto:bill at incendium.com> bill at incendium.com<mailto:bill at incendium.com> email address in all messages.
>>>>>> Bill Moore
>>>>>> Incendium Supply Ltd.
>>>>>> Suite 416, #305-4625 Varsity Drive N.W.
>>>>>> Calgary, AB T3A 0Z9
>>>>>> 403.202.0055
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: DeTomaso
>>>>>> [[3] <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Jack Donahue
>>>>>> Sent: August-09-16 1:23 PM
>>>>>> To: <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>>>>> Cc: <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma Hey all - I need some good
>>>>>> advice on radiators. I currently have a Fluidyne performance unit
>>>>>> without a shroud. I've been told that a shroud is a necessity,
>>>>>> which I understand. I've had it for about 12 years now - no
>>>>>> leaks. The rumblings on The List lean towards a unit by Dennis
>>>>>> Quella(?) - don't know the correct spelling or the company, but
>>>>>> the last I had read from someone was just to get his radiator and
>>>>>> "be done with it". I think it was a double-pass (I guess that's
>>>>>> good) - and I assume it's shrouded. Another side of me asks -
>>>>>> which is better - copper or aluminum? And Why? I know the copper
>>>>>> units are heavier, but I am not concerned about extra weight. I
>>>>>> am familiar with the company - Brassworks - they have been at it
>>>>>> since the early 1900's. Ken and Lela MacArthur had mentioned
>>>>>> Brassworks in July. So - here we go - I know the discussion will
>>>>>> generate a fair amount of opinions - which I always welcome,
>>>>>> since it will generate more questions too. Looking forward to hearing from all the experts - i know you are out there.
>>>>>> jack #4348
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>>>>>> References
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. <http://panteraperformance.com/> http://panteraperformance.com/ 2. <http://hallpantera.com/> http://hallpantera.com/ 3.
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Zink is used in salted water, in soft water we use aluminium anodes.
Roland
Gesendet vom Irgendwo im Nirgendwo.
Am 10.08.2016 um 16:49 schrieb Julian Kift
<[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>:
Stephen,
Yes I think zinc is what most would use and most common in the boating
World. Fluidyne actually sell a zinc anode drain plug for their
radiators;
[2]https://www.summitracing.com/nv/parts/fld-fhp32004/overview/
They are very proud of these, a 1/4 npt "pencil anode" is available
from West Marine or Amazon for less than half the price.
Last time I visited the Fluidynbe website they were recommending
something other than 'No Rosion' now, but I cannot recall what it was
and their website is now down for reconstruction.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of Stephen <[4]steve at snclocks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 7:24 AM
To: 'Roland'; 'thomas'
Cc: [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
I was interested to note the recommendation for a magnesium anode - I
have zinc anodes in several of my cars that have aluminum heads or
radiators. So, I looked it up on line:
Magnesium has a low current capacity. Like a bowl of nuts, it's quickly
eaten. Zinc and aluminum are akin to a plate piled high with home
cooking. The meal lasts longer. So, though magnesium offers more
protective electrons faster, it protects for only about one-third the
time of zinc, and just one-fifth the time of aluminum.
[6]http://www.boatingmag.com/how-to/choosing-right-sacrificial-anode
Stephen Nelson
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[7]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf Of Roland
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:03 AM
To: thomas <[8]thomas at hax.se>
Cc: [9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
I was asking, because i know from my boating hobby, that an anode, that
is not eaten up, doesn't do anything in the system.
Roland
> Am 10.08.2016 um 09:16 schrieb thomas < <[10]mailto:thomas at hax.se>
[11]thomas at hax.se>:
>
> I got it from a local marine shop.
>
> It looks like this: <[12]http://www.boatzincs.com/engine-sizes.html>
[13]http://www.boatzincs.com/engine-sizes.html
>
> And it is probably zinc, not magnesium. Was probably confusing it
with the anode in some water boilers.
>
> Thomas
>
>> 10 aug. 2016 kl. 09:03 skrev Christer Eriksson <
<[14]mailto:unnerstad.ekelund at gmail.com>
[15]unnerstad.ekelund at gmail.com>:
>>
>> ...and where do you buy the them? Seams like a smart solution that
>> I'd like to copy :)
>>
>> Christer
>>
>> Skickat fraan min iPhone
>>
>>> 10 aug. 2016 kl. 08:44 skrev Roland <
<[16]mailto:willibillie at live.de> [17]willibillie at live.de>:
>>>
>>> Interesting about the anode. How often did you have to change it in
ten years?
>>>
>>> Roland
>>>
>>>> Am 10.08.2016 um 03:14 schrieb Thomas Toernblom <
<[18]mailto:tipo874 at gmail.com> [19]tipo874 at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> I installed a magnesium anode instead of the drain cock in my
Fluidyne radiator a few years back. I've had this radiator for well
over ten years without issues.
>>>>
>>>> I use propylene antifreeze and soft water.
>>>>
>>>> Thomas
>>>>
>>>>> 9 aug. 2016 kl. 23:29 skrev Larry Stock <
<[20]mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com> [21]larrys at panteraparts.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Pantera Parts Connection Fluidyne system with shroud and fans
>>>>> runs
>>>>> $1250.00 complete. We have never had one fail since running the
>>>>> No-rossion water treatment additive to insure the Lucas
electrical
>>>>> back-feed doesn^1t turn the Aluminum radiator into an anode,
which
>>>>> is the main reason for aluminum radiators to fail. BTW Soft water
>>>>> works best for filling your system against electrolysis. Larry
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/9/16, 1:28 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken and Lela
MacArthur"
>>>>> <[22]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>>>>> <[23]mailto:klckmac at msn.com> [24]klckmac at msn.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jack,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I received lots of good feedback on radiators recently as you
may
>>>>>> have seen. I have an older Hall Brass radiator that was in good
>>>>>> shape overall in our car which I decided to repair for a couple
>>>>>> hundred bucks and add their Mariah fans since mine were stock.
>>>>>> Many people like the Hall one. Many liked aluminum, especially
>>>>>> the Ron Davis sold by Pantera Performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dennis Quella @ [1] <[25]http://panteraperformance.com/>
[26]http://panteraperformance.com/ was
>>>>>> recommended for a high quality, all tig welded aluminum setup
>>>>>> from Ron Davis racing. I was told they do not stock them and
they
>>>>>> special order them as needed, takes about 3 weeks to a month. I
>>>>>> believe his radiator and fans package are around $1600.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doing some research, I came across Brassworks, haven't heard of
>>>>>> anyone but they do reference a Pantera owner on their site. They
>>>>>> are kind of expensive, around $1300. There may be other
>>>>>> Brass/copper radiators done by others, but I haven't seen any.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sooo, timing and money were one factor for us, plus our radiator
>>>>>> is repairable and works well, will work even better once the
fans
>>>>>> and correct relays are in. The Hall radiator is around $600
brand new.
>>>>>> [2] <[27]http://hallpantera.com/> [28]http://hallpantera.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps some, good luck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken MacArthur
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 72L 4443
>>>>>>
_________________________________________________________________
>>>>>> _
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: DeTomaso <
<[29]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
[30]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
>>>>>> behalf of Bill Moore < <[31]mailto:bill at incendium.com>
[32]bill at incendium.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:32 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Jack Donahue';
<[33]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
[34]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>>>> Cc: <[35]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
[36]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Jack:
>>>>>> What seems to be the problem with your existing setup, you have
>>>>>> had it
>>>>>> 12 years ?
>>>>>> Cheers:
>>>>>> Please use my <[37]mailto:bill at incendium.com>
[38]bill at incendium.com email address in all messages.
>>>>>> Bill Moore
>>>>>> Incendium Supply Ltd.
>>>>>> Suite 416, #305-4625 Varsity Drive N.W.
>>>>>> Calgary, AB T3A 0Z9
>>>>>> 403.202.0055
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: DeTomaso
>>>>>> [[3] <[39]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
[40]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Jack Donahue
>>>>>> Sent: August-09-16 1:23 PM
>>>>>> To: <[41]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
[42]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>>>> Cc: <[43]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
[44]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma Hey all - I need some good
>>>>>> advice on radiators. I currently have a Fluidyne performance
unit
>>>>>> without a shroud. I've been told that a shroud is a necessity,
>>>>>> which I understand. I've had it for about 12 years now - no
>>>>>> leaks. The rumblings on The List lean towards a unit by Dennis
>>>>>> Quella(?) - don't know the correct spelling or the company, but
>>>>>> the last I had read from someone was just to get his radiator
and
>>>>>> "be done with it". I think it was a double-pass (I guess that's
>>>>>> good) - and I assume it's shrouded. Another side of me asks -
>>>>>> which is better - copper or aluminum? And Why? I know the copper
>>>>>> units are heavier, but I am not concerned about extra weight. I
>>>>>> am familiar with the company - Brassworks - they have been at
it
>>>>>> since the early 1900's. Ken and Lela MacArthur had mentioned
>>>>>> Brassworks in July. So - here we go - I know the discussion will
>>>>>> generate a fair amount of opinions - which I always welcome,
>>>>>> since it will generate more questions too. Looking forward to
hearing from all the experts - i know you are out there.
>>>>>> jack #4348
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> References
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. <[49]http://panteraperformance.com/>
[50]http://panteraperformance.com/ 2. <[51]http://hallpantera.com/>
[52]http://hallpantera.com/ 3.
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