[DeTomaso] Dan Gurney...old discussion...Re: F1 Experience
LSJ
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Wed Apr 20 16:52:15 EDT 2016
Sorry to dig up an old discussion.
I was researching something and had a reason to call AAR. I asked the lady on the line how much Mr. Gurney weighed during his professional career. She shouted into another room at Dan's son who quickly replied back.
I was guessing 185lbs and Michael Shortt guessed 210lbs.
We were both wrong!
165lbs during his professional career.
So, yes...we're all fat today. I'm going to cancel the Meat Lover's Pizza I just ordered!
LSJ
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From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>
To: LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
Cc: Jack Donahue <demongusta at me.com>; "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>; Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Experience
Unless he was all skin and bones under that driver's suit, that's the avg weight for a large frame ( his shoulder width ) male.Plus I'm pretty good at sizing people up since I've done casting for 30+ years. He could have been 185 if no muscle mass, but given the rigors of driving back then,I'd say Dan was in great shape and muscle weighs more than fat without making you look heavy. Arnold is not 6'2" tall, that's was always a lie., more like 5'11 1/2"Stallone is 5"9 1/2", look at them side by side. Then look at them with joe pesci who is 5'3" tall. and they all wear cowboy boots with lifts.Check out Gurney in a sea of normal sized people.
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:38 PM, LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote:
Michael, where did you get Dan's weight?
I would've guessed 185 at the most...
http://th07.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2012/316/7/2/phill_hill___dan_gurney_tony_brooks__germany_1959__by_f1_history-d5ksi6c.jpg
210lbs would make him 17 lbs off Arnold when he won his last Mr Olympia at almost 6'2".
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/nXvt9di7e58/maxresdefault.jpg
Until we started getting really fat 20 yrs ago, only power/strength athletes were over 200 lbs.
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To: Jack Donahue <demongusta at me.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Experience
Dan Gurney was 6'3" tall and about 210 lbs.On Dec 10, 2013 10:32 PM, "Jack Donahue" <demongusta at me.com> wrote:
The GT40 that Gurney drove had a bubble in the roof so he could fit into it.
On Dec 10, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Gray Gregory wrote:
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Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:27 PM
To: 'michael at michaelshortt.com'
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] F1 Experience All the old time drivers I’ve met (except Dan Gurney and A.J. Foyt) have been pretty small so I think they would probably fit fine. I’ve also tried to get into a lot of old F1 cars and I haven’t found one yet I can fit into very well, so the cars weren’t very big either. :>) As for the power steering, yes the modern cars do but they also make a lot more down force and have much more grip, so “man handling” one through a fast sweeper is still probably pretty much the same or maybe even harder today… Gray From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of michael at michaelshortt.com
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Experience Most certainly do not have the balls the way they whine, in the glory years of F1, there was 10% chance you would die during a race, Thank goodness Jackie Stewart and others implements safety measures that have evolved to thecurrent streak of deathless seasons ( Since Senna)Modern F1 cars have power steering ( for a car that weighs 1,600ish lbs ) in a time limited race with a shorter courses.I'd bet that none of the 50's,60 era drivers that could manhandle those cars could fit in a modern car. Michael On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:10 PM, LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote:
It is difficult to compare regular people like us with professionals.
New drivers are world class athletes. NASCAR drivers are sometimes world class athletes with baby bumps.
Do the new, super fit and strong drivers have the skill and style to drive the old cars?
Some do, some don't...
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Experience The modern F1 driver is about 5'5" - 5'9" and 135 - 160 lbs.Weber was the last tall one and if you remember, Kubica looked almost dead when he went from 165 to 150 by team orders. The old guard would never be able to get into the these new cars and I doubt the new drivers would have the strength to manhandle the older cars. Michael On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 7:04 PM, mark skwarek <ehpantera at yahoo.com> wrote:There are track day events at most of the NASCAR tracks. Go take yourPantera out for a ride. You will be even more impressed as to what it can do. I love the Daytona road course.Mark On Monday, December 9, 2013 6:15 PM, "jderyke at aol.com" <jderyke at aol.com> wrote:Hi Richard. When a couple of hundred POCA members visited the Minardi factory during the DeTomaso Factory Tour in '96, only little skinny drivers could fit in their display car- all women. Things must have changed.... Wish I'd been there, but at 6"2 and 190 lbs I have no illusions I'd fit today, either! Cheers to you in S. TX- J Deryke -----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 ExperienceSounds amazing...any pics or video?
Thanks,
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Subject: [DeTomaso] F1 Experience All, I was very surprised that no one from Houston, or anywhere else in Texas, was signed up to ride in the F1 cars on Friday at COTA (the Austin F1 track). Of if you were, I just didn't recognize you. We weren't sure it would even go in the weather, but I was in the afternoon session which was dry, and we rode on slicks. The morning was wet, but they still ran the cars, only on full wets. I can't tell you how incredible the experience was. I strongly recommend signing up. I understand they're coming back to COTA tentatively on 22 March and 20 October. I originally thought it was a bit expensive—I don't anymore. It was worth every penny. RichardAustin, TX#7080
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Sorry to dig up an old discussion.
I was researching something and had a reason to call AAR. I asked the
lady on the line how much Mr. Gurney weighed during his professional
career. She shouted into another room at Dan's son who quickly replied
back.
I was guessing 185lbs and Michael Shortt guessed 210lbs.
We were both wrong!
165lbs during his professional career.
So, yes...we're all fat today. I'm going to cancel the Meat Lover's
Pizza I just ordered!
LSJ
central
wines-spirits est 1934
625 e street nw
washington, dc 20004
[1]centralwines.com
[2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors
202-737-2800
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From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>
To: LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
Cc: Jack Donahue <demongusta at me.com>; "detomaso at poca.com"
<detomaso at poca.com>; Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Experience
Unless he was all skin and bones under that driver's suit, that's the
avg weight for a large frame ( his shoulder width ) male.
Plus I'm pretty good at sizing people up since I've done casting for
30+ years. He could have been 185 if no muscle mass, but given the
rigors of driving back then,
I'd say Dan was in great shape and muscle weighs more than fat without
making you look heavy.
Arnold is not 6'2" tall, that's was always a lie., more like 5'11 1/2"
Stallone is 5"9 1/2", look at them side by side. Then look at them
with joe pesci who is 5'3" tall. and they all wear cowboy boots with
lifts.
Check out Gurney in a sea of normal sized people.
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:38 PM, LS <[3]lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote:
Michael, where did you get Dan's weight?
I would've guessed 185 at the most...
[4]http://th07.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2012/316/7/2/phill_hill___dan_
gurney_tony_brooks__germany_1959__by_f1_history-d5ksi6c.jpg
210lbs would make him 17 lbs off Arnold when he won his last Mr Olympia
at almost 6'2".
[5]http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/nXvt9di7e58/maxresdefault.jpg
Until we started getting really fat 20 yrs ago, only power/strength
athletes were over 200 lbs.
LS
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From: "[9]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[10]michael at michaelshortt.com>
To: Jack Donahue <[11]demongusta at me.com>
Cc: [12]detomaso at poca.com; Gray Gregory <[13]rgg at gregorycook.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Experience
Dan Gurney was 6'3" tall and about 210 lbs.
On Dec 10, 2013 10:32 PM, "Jack Donahue" <[14]demongusta at me.com> wrote:
The GT40 that Gurney drove had a bubble in the roof so he could fit
into it.
On Dec 10, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Gray Gregory wrote:
From: Gray Gregory
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:27 PM
To: '[15]michael at michaelshortt.com'
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] F1 Experience
All the old time drivers Iave met (except Dan Gurney and A.J. Foyt)
have been pretty small so I think they would probably fit fine. Iave
also tried to get into a lot of old F1 cars and I havenat found one yet
I can fit into very well, so the cars werenat very big either. :>)
As for the power steering, yes the modern cars do but they also make a
lot more down force and have much more grip, so aman handlinga one
through a fast sweeper is still probably pretty much the same or maybe
even harder todaya|
Gray
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[16]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
Of [17]michael at michaelshortt.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:30 PM
To: LS
Cc: [18]detomaso at poca.com; [19]jderyke at aol.com; [20]pantera at austin.rr.c
om
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Experience
Most certainly do not have the balls the way they whine, in the glory
years of F1, there was 10% chance you would die
during a race, Thank goodness Jackie Stewart and others implements
safety measures that have evolved to the
current streak of deathless seasons ( Since Senna)
Modern F1 cars have power steering ( for a car that weighs 1,600ish lbs
) in a time limited race with a shorter courses.
I'd bet that none of the 50's,60 era drivers that could manhandle
those cars could fit in a modern car.
Michael
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:10 PM, LS <[21]lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote:
It is difficult to compare regular people like us with professionals.
New drivers are world class athletes. NASCAR drivers are sometimes
world class athletes with baby bumps.
Do the new, super fit and strong drivers have the skill and style to
drive the old cars?
Some do, some don't...
LS
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To: mark skwarek <[27]ehpantera at yahoo.com>
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"[30]lashdeep at yahoo.com" <[31]lashdeep at yahoo.com>;
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"[34]detomaso at poca.com" <[35]detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Experience
The modern F1 driver is about 5'5" - 5'9" and 135 - 160 lbs.
Weber was the last tall one and if you remember, Kubica looked almost
dead when he went from 165 to 150 by team orders.
The old guard would never be able to get into the these new cars and I
doubt the new drivers would have the strength to manhandle the older
cars.
Michael
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 7:04 PM, mark skwarek <[36]ehpantera at yahoo.com>
wrote:
There are track day events at most of the NASCAR tracks. Go take your
Pantera out for a ride. You will be even more impressed as to what it
can do. I love the Daytona road course.
Mark
On Monday, December 9, 2013 6:15 PM, "[37]jderyke at aol.com"
<[38]jderyke at aol.com> wrote:
Hi Richard. When a couple of hundred POCA members visited the Minardi
factory during the DeTomaso Factory Tour in '96, only little skinny
drivers could fit in their display car- all women. Things must have
changed.... Wish I'd been there, but at 6"2 and 190 lbs I have no
illusions I'd fit today, either! Cheers to you in S. TX- J Deryke
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From: LS <[39]lashdeep at yahoo.com>
To: Richard Greenblum <[40]pantera at austin.rr.com>; deTomaso Forum
<[41]detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 2:42 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Experience
Sounds amazing...any pics or video?
Thanks,
LS
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To: deTomaso Forum <[46]detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 4:30 PM
Subject: [DeTomaso] F1 Experience
All,
I was very surprised that no one from Houston, or anywhere else in
Texas, was signed up to ride in the F1 cars on Friday at COTA (the
Austin F1 track). Of if you were, I just didn't recognize you.
We weren't sure it would even go in the weather, but I was in the
afternoon session which was dry, and we rode on slicks. The morning
was wet, but they still ran the cars, only on full wets.
I can't tell you how incredible the experience was. I strongly
recommend signing up. I understand they're coming back to COTA
tentatively on 22 March and 20 October. I originally thought it was a
bit expensiveaI don't anymore. It was worth every penny.
Richard
Austin, TX
#7080
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