[DeTomaso] Future of the email list

Douglas Kelm dakelm at qwest.net
Wed Apr 20 15:06:21 EDT 2016


Will,
Everything you describe below falls under the heading of "charity". And I
don't use that term disparagingly or with any negative connotation. Nobody
can dispute that Pantera owners are amongst the most "charitable" of car
club members known to man, freely sharing both knowledge, assets (hard and
soft) and good will with one another without expectation of praise or
remuneration. The point I was striving to make, however convoluted, was that
while charity is "free" to the recipient, it is not "free" from the givers
stand point. Someone paid a "price" for that generosity, whether in cash,
blood, sweat and tears, time (which, like the old adage says, IS money ;<D),
life experience or diligent pursuit of knowledge. That's what I meant when I
said "few things in life are free". Continued good fortune for you and your
Pantera.

Doug  

-----Original Message-----
From: Will Kooiman [mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 1:28 PM
To: Douglas Kelm; detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Future of the email list

Hi Doug,

I respectfully disagree.

When I bought my Pantera, Michael Frazier and Carter Boyer stopped by and
gave me a free inspection, and plenty of free advice.

My Pantera broke in Little Rock, and Mike Trusty offered to pick up my car
and repair it - for free (naturally I assumed I would buy parts).  He caught
me at the airport, so I flew back the next week.  I removed the broken
parts, and he repaired it for free.  The rear wheel bearings had fallen
apart.  I bought lunch, but that's a fraction of the labor and experience
donated by Mike.

My Pantera broke again at the Big Bend Open Road Race.  Steve Hawkins put my
car on his flat bed, and I drove his car back.  A local guy (previous owner
of my car) offered to fix my car or at least garage it until I could
get it fixed.   - for free.

The list goes on and on, with help from Kirby, Gray, John T., etc.

Socialism is when you expect something to be free because you are entitled
to it - like free health care, free iPhones, welfare, but that's not what
I'm describing.

I'm describing a community with common interests where we help one another
and share ideas, experiences, advice, etc.  That's what the e-mail list
represents to me, and it was one of the reasons I chose a Pantera over a
Ferrari.
--
Will





On 4/20/16 2:07 PM, "Douglas Kelm" <dakelm at qwest.net> wrote:

>WHOA!!!!!!! Slow down there Willy boy! There's so many misstatements of 
>facts and logical inconsistencies in #5, I don't know where to start!
>Outside of sunsets on the beach (a PUBLIC beach, that is), the air you 
>breath and moonlight walks with your sweetie, few things in life are free.
>And I'm willing (no pun intended) to bet your sweetie isn't exactly 
>free either! "Once you have to pay for it, it either isn't enjoyable or 
>you wouldn't pay for it, even if it's cheap." WTF does that even mean?!!!!!
>You've never paid for anything that was enjoyable? Twitter? Don't want 
>it at any price. Yahoo groups? Am a member of several and WOULD pay if 
>required.
>Youtube? Use it all the time, but could live without it if I'd never 
>discovered it. All the preceding are ad based revenue generators, much 
>like newspapers and magazines, both of which could survive without 
>subscription income. They don't NEED to charge YOU anything 'cause 
>they're charging SOMEBODY ELSE! #6: If you willing to pay for something 
>that others enjoy for free, that's called charity, and it's a good 
>thing which all (or most) of us support in one form or another, as long 
>as it's not forced upon us (note to all the "Social Democrats" lurking 
>out there!).
>
>Doug
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Will 
>Kooiman
>Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 6:35 AM
>To: detomaso at poca.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Future of the email list
>
>My points.
>
>
>5.  I strongly disagree that nothing should be free.  Some of the best 
>things in life are free.  Once you have to pay for it, it either isn¹t 
>enjoyable or you wouldn¹t pay for it, even if it¹s cheap.  Would you 
>join Facebook if you had to pay $20?  What about Twitter, yahoo groups, 
>youtube?
>How many of us have watched the engine masters videos?  Would you pay 
>per view?  How many of us download free apps, but won¹t pay $1 for the 
>same type of app that might be better?
>
>6.  Of course, I understand that the mail list, the website, Profiles, 
>etc.
>costs money to run, and that¹s why I¹m a POCA member - partly for 
>Profiles + the newsletter, but also to help support the community.
>
>Will.
>
>
>






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