[DeTomaso] Future of the email list
Michael Shortt
michaelsavga at gmail.com
Wed Apr 20 12:57:46 EDT 2016
On Apr 20, 2016 11:26 AM, "Jeff Detrich" <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ah, nothing beats a good rhetorical discourse on topics of interest!
>
So why throw
> away something that is used by so many. If the email list numbers drop
> significantly because users have switched to your "new" forum, then get
> rid of it.
>
BECAUSE THEY BOTH CAN NOT EXIST AS THEY ARE NOW.
Thwey can if the email forum is moved, which it will be.
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Michael
> ShorttA <[2]michaelsavga at gmail.com>A wrote:
>
> A Its time the club stop operating in the red,
>
> The club has always made a profit,
>
FALSE
> that's why we have such a huge cash
> balance - over $100,000.
>
FALSE
> And now that Profiles is being published
> electronically,
>
FALSE
> it will save the club a good $20,000 per year.
>
FALSE
> Where
> will that go? True the website will cost ~$2400/year and will continue
> year after year because you are using a "canned" hosting site where you
> have to conform to their design and you pay each year based on the
> number of members.
>
FALSE
> I also hear that you are doing a lot of
> modifications but those will only be maintenance requirements (that
> cost more money) in the future every time the hosting service updates
> their design.
>
FALSE
> I support it, however, because it's a something we
> desperately need. But it's nowhere close to the $20,000 per year
> savings.
>
FALSE
> (At least it better not be because we could build a site that
> meets our needs exactly for less than that. And there wouldn't be the
> yearly fee.)
>
FALSE
> A
>
> It's timeA that somebody call out the vendors who do not buy any ads in
> theA newsletter or Profiles
>
> I think we need to stop "calling out" anybody and put on a persuasion
> effort.A One of the main goals of the club is to enhance DeTomaso
> awareness.A If everything you've promised is good for the vendors and
> for Pantera owners, they will buy ads and renew memberships. It's time
> to start selling benefits and overcoming objections with reasoned and
> non-confrontational rationale.
>
That has been what we were doing until this ignorance started
> ***Here's a suggestion, when the new site becomes operational and
> stable, open it up to everyone in the world for a short time so they
> can experience the benefits. If it's as good as you say it is,
> non-members will sign up in droves! Think about it.***
>
While I like the concept, there are privacy concerns by many members
which make that impossible to do.
Why buy the cow if you can get the milk for Free,
If somebody has a $60,000-$400,000 toy far and they are too cheap to join
the club, they need to sell the car.
> A
>
> A A $50 a year in dues and the cars are now worth $60,000 to $400,000
> is aA bargain by any measure.
>
> Have you reduced the dues to $50 for all of us?
>
The Club POCA retains $50, the Chapter gets $25. from domestic dues.
International Members will be paying $50 with digital newsletters and
digital Profiles.
> Personally, I think
> that is way too much of a decrease but a decrease is surely due with
> the $20,000 savings
>
FALSE and FALSE
> and the huge cash balance noted above.A
> And surely, you are not implying that you and the club have had
> something to do with the value of the cars going up so steeply? A %>))
> Just kidding!A
>
Nope, but a higher profile and an active positive ownership base does
wonders for values.
Just being rare or low production does not make a car valuable.
Keeping it desireable has a great deal to do with the rising values as
well as not trashing the car and constantly
saying it's priced too high and it's not worth that much as many members
have done on this very forum.
> Jeff
> 6559
>
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On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
wrote:
> Kurt,
> Thank you for offering to save the list.
> Maybe I am missing something, but I assumed that the POCA forum
> would be structurally like the PI forum. I can see how that is good
> for some things, but I like the email based forum much better. It
> creates dialog and builds a sense of community. I never got that
> feeling from the PI forum.
> Ken
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Kurt Byrnes <kdb at kbyrnes.com>
> To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 8:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Future of the email list
> Jeff,
> I've talked with Michael and we plan on transferring the historical
> data. No logistics on how that will happen have been worked out to
> date but I'm confident we'll make it happen.
> I would like to restate that although I'm willing to keep the list
> going, we, as a group, should really give the new forum a chance.
> Kurt
> On 4/20/2016 11:30 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote:
> Kurt,
> If you do agree to take it over - and I hope you don't have to
> because
> POCA sees the light and keeps it for itself - it is very important
> that
> it comes with all the historical archives of past postings. There is
> too much value in those old posts and it would make the email list
> much
> less desirable. Michael has said that POCA will be saving those for
> use
> on the new website but I sure hope he intends on also passing them
> along to the new operator of the email list.
> Jeff
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Kurt Byrnes <[1][1]kdb at kbyrnes.com>
> wrote:
> Although I rarely post, I've been reading this list for many years.
> I find the format convenient and easy to manage. Although there
> are
> limitations with attachments and such, I'd hate to see it
> disappear. I plan on renewing my POCA membership and reading the
> new forums and strongly urge all to do so as well.
> However, I'd love to give back to the community so I've offered to
> keep it going if there's enough interest.
> So, is there interest? If so, we'll need a new domain name to host
> it. Suggestions?
> Kurt
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On Apr 20, 2016 11:26 AM, "Jeff Detrich" <[1]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
A A Ah, nothing beats a good rhetorical discourse on topics of
interest!
So why throw
A A away something that is used by so many. If the email list numbers
drop
A A significantly because users have switched to your "new" forum,
then get
A A rid of it.
BECAUSE THEY BOTH CAN NOT EXIST AS THEY ARE NOW.
Thwey can if the email forum is moved, which it will be.
A
A A On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Michael
A A ShorttA <[2][2]michaelsavga at gmail.com>A wrote:
A A A Its time the club stop operating in the red,
A A The club has always made a profit,
FALSE
A
that's why we have such a huge cash
A A balance - over $100,000.
FALSE
A
And now that Profiles is being published
A A electronically,
FALSE
A
it will save the club a good $20,000 per year.
FALSE
A
Where
A A will that go? True the website will cost ~$2400/year and will
continue
A A year after year because you are using a "canned" hosting site
where you
A A have to conform to their design and you pay each year based on the
A A number of members.
FALSE
A
I also hear that you are doing a lot of
A A modifications but those will only be maintenance requirements
(that
A A cost more money) in the future every time the hosting service
updates
A A their design.
FALSE
A
I support it, however, because it's a something we
A A desperately need. But it's nowhere close to the $20,000 per year
A A savings.
FALSE
A
(At least it better not be because we could build a site that
A A meets our needs exactly for less than that. And there wouldn't be
the
A A yearly fee.)
FALSE
A
A A A
A A It's timeA that somebody call out the vendors who do not buy any
ads in
A A theA newsletter or Profiles
A A I think we need to stop "calling out" anybody and put on a
persuasion
A A effort.A One of the main goals of the club is to enhance DeTomaso
A A awareness.A If everything you've promised is good for the vendors
and
A A for Pantera owners, they will buy ads and renew memberships. It's
time
A A to start selling benefits and overcoming objections with reasoned
and
A A non-confrontational rationale.
That has been what we were doing until this ignorance started
A
A A ***Here's a suggestion, when the new site becomes operational and
A A stable, open it up to everyone in the world for a short time so
they
A A can experience the benefits. If it's as good as you say it is,
A A non-members will sign up in droves! Think about it.***
While I like the concept, there are privacy concerns by many members
which make that impossible to do.
Why buy the cow if you can get the milk for Free,
If somebody has a $60,000-$400,000 toy far and they are too cheap to
join the club, they need to sell the car.
A A A
A A AA A $50 a year in dues and the cars are now worth $60,000 to
$400,000
A A is aA bargain by any measure.
A A Have you reduced the dues to $50 for all of us?
The Club POCA retains $50, the Chapter gets $25. from domestic dues.
International Members will be paying $50 with digital newsletters and
digital Profiles.
A
Personally, I think
A A that is way too much of a decrease but a decrease is surely due
with
A A the $20,000 savings
FALSE and FALSE
A
and the huge cash balance noted above.A
A A And surely, you are not implying that you and the club have had
A A something to do with the value of the cars going up so steeply? A
%>))
A A Just kidding!A
Nope, but a higher profile and an active positive ownership base does
wonders for values.
Just being rare or low production does not make a car valuable.
Keeping it desireable has a great A deal to do with the rising values
as well as not trashing the car and constantly
saying it's priced too high and it's not worth that much as many
members have done on this very forum.
A
A A Jeff
A A 6559
References
A A 1. mailto:[3]edducati at mac.com
A A 2. mailto:[4]michaelsavga at gmail.com
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On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso
<[6]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
A A Kurt,
A A A A Thank you for offering to save the list.
A A A A Maybe I am missing something, but I assumed that the POCA
forum
A A would be structurally like the PI forum.A I can see how that
is good
A A for some things, but I like the email based forum much
better.A It
A A creates dialog and builds a sense of community.A I never got
that
A A feeling from the PI forum.
A A Ken
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A From: Kurt Byrnes <[7]kdb at kbyrnes.com>
A A To: Jeff Detrich <[8]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
A A Cc: "[9]detomaso at poca.com" <[10]detomaso at poca.com>
A A Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 8:59 AM
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Future of the email list
A A A Jeff,
A A A I've talked with Michael and we plan on transferring the
historical
A A A data.A No logistics on how that will happen have been
worked out to
A A A date but I'm confident we'll make it happen.
A A A I would like to restate that although I'm willing to keep
the list
A A A going, we, as a group, should really give the new forum a
chance.
A A A Kurt
A A A On 4/20/2016 11:30 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote:
A A A Kurt,
A A A If you do agree to take it over - and I hope you don't have
to
A A because
A A A POCA sees the light and keeps it for itself - it is very
important
A A that
A A A it comes with all the historical archives of past postings.
There is
A A A too much value in those old posts and it would make the
email list
A A much
A A A less desirable. Michael has said that POCA will be saving
those for
A A use
A A A on the new website but I sure hope he intends on also
passing them
A A A along to the new operator of the email list.
A A A Jeff
A A A On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Kurt Byrnes
<[1][1][11]kdb at kbyrnes.com>
A A A wrote:
A A A A Although I rarely post, I've been reading this list for
many years.
A A A A I find the format convenient and easy to manage.A
Although there
A A are
A A A A limitations with attachments and such, I'd hate to see it
A A A A disappear.A I plan on renewing my POCA membership and
reading the
A A A A new forums and strongly urge all to do so as well.
A A A A However, I'd love to give back to the community so I've
offered to
A A A A keep it going if there's enough interest.
A A A A So, is there interest?A If so, we'll need a new domain
name to host
A A A A it.A Suggestions?
A A A A Kurt
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