[DeTomaso] Future of the email list
Ken Green
kenn_green at yahoo.com
Tue Apr 19 23:04:49 EDT 2016
My recollection is that promises were made when POCA took over the forum, one wonders what credibility remains.
As for me, I was a member but dropped my membership because Profiles was a social creature, not technical. I have read good things on THIS forum about the new Profiles content, and was just trying to decide which chapter to join, not any more. Seems like POCA is turning into all drama, no meat. I paid for a PI membership at the wrong time being promised a super issue soon, and never received anything. Seems like a fool me once scenario.
Ken
From: Barry Seib <oldwheel at shaw.ca>
To: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Future of the email list
Very dignified response.
Call me a leach
...
I can hardly wait to join.
Sent from a handheld device
-------- Original message --------
From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Date: 04/19/2016 7:41 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: "B. Seib" <oldwheel at shaw.ca>
Cc: detomaso at poca.com,Kurt Byrnes <kdb at kbyrnes.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Future of the email list
First, if you were aware of what is going on with POCA, you would know
that we now have International Memberships at $50 per year. Both the
Newsletter and the Profiles quarterly magazine are included in a
digital format (no recycling). If you want to get a paper subscription
to Profiles, you can, it is an additionally $45 a year ( and we lose
money do that, it costs $44 per member per year just in postage, not
counting the enevelope or magazine printing).
Given that NONE of you has seen the new website, then all of you have
Zero knowledge to talk about it.
You don't know for example that it will have 40 years of newsletters
and magazines on it in a digital library.
You don't know that it will have the $49.95 Pantera DVD on it for
members for FREE.
You don't know know that it will have all Ford Manuals online in PDF
form
You don't know it will have all the Detomaso manuals online in PDF form
You don't know it will have a huge section open to the public to teach
them about the cars with photos.
You don't know it will have a public area with a Cars for sale listing
service with photos
You don't know we're building a Detomaso Registry with more metrics
than any registry online for any car.
You don't know it will have a full Amazon type store with a shopping
cart and check out to buy POCA and DeTomaso gear that will be in stock
and shipped within 48 hours.
But to enjoy most of this stuff, you need to be a member, you need to
stop being a leech and support the club.
Nothing in life is free, hearing a non member complain sounds like
silence.
I was a non member longer than I have been a member, but you know what?
I was taught that when you're a guest, you just keep it to yourself.
Nothing worse than a guest who complains.
Its time the club stop operating in the red, giving stuff away and not
behaving like it needs to behave to last another 40+ years. It's time
that somebody call out the vendors who do not buy any ads in the
newsletter or Profiles and complain about not having a free forum to
reach members so you can sell them stuff and make a profit.
Y'all need to get up off your wallet and support the club so we can
deliver a proper membership experience to everybody.
$50 a year in dues and the cars are now worth $60,000 to $400,000 is a
bargain by any measure. I've personally arranged for two different
collector car insurance discounts that will pay for most of your
membership dues.
There are more POCA club member discounts coming.
Michael Shortt
On Apr 19, 2016 8:07 PM, "B. SEIB" <[1]oldwheel at shaw.ca> wrote:
Thank you Kurt.
I'm willing to pay an annual fee for this mailing list - say maybe
+/- $30
USD annually if required.
It has been a great pleasure to belong to this list for me since
2000. I
have made many friends here and learned a great deal. I've tried to
contribute what I can. It is the only Pantera connection I have or
need.
I have no interest in getting a bunch of paper magazines to recycle
and
paying $90 USD for it, so I am not currently a POCA member. I tried
the
membership a couple of times, but the value just wasn't there for
me. I'm
500+ miles away from any chapter, so no joy there either. There is
no
"electronic only" POCA membership available or planned. I've been
informed
it will never happen.
I have a lot of confidence in the advice from many people on this
list. They
are not all POCA members. We have some very generous, bright,
knowledgeable
people on here. I want to be a member of the DeTomaso email list!
POCA is
great. The members are great, but it's not like this list.
I'll be very sad if it can't be saved. 8<(
Please keep me informed.
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
Kurt Byrnes
Sent: April-19-16 5:49 PM
To: [3]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Future of the email list
Although I rarely post, I've been reading this list for many years.
I
find the format convenient and easy to manage. Although there are
limitations with attachments and such, I'd hate to see it
disappear. I
plan on renewing my POCA membership and reading the new forums and
strongly urge all to do so as well.
However, I'd love to give back to the community so I've offered to
keep
it going if there's enough interest.
So, is there interest? If so, we'll need a new domain name to host
it. Suggestions?
Kurt
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My recollection is that promises were made when POCA took over the
forum, one wonders what credibility remains.
As for me, I was a member but dropped my membership because Profiles
was a social creature, not technical. I have read good things on THIS
forum about the new Profiles content, and was just trying to decide
which chapter to join, not any more. Seems like POCA is turning into
all drama, no meat. I paid for a PI membership at the wrong time being
promised a super issue soon, and never received anything. Seems like a
fool me once scenario.
Ken
__________________________________________________________________
From: Barry Seib <oldwheel at shaw.ca>
To: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Future of the email list
Very dignified response.
Call me a leach
...
I can hardly wait to join.
Sent from a handheld device
-------- Original message --------
From: Michael Shortt <[1]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Date: 04/19/2016 7:41 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: "B. Seib" <[2]oldwheel at shaw.ca>
Cc: [3]detomaso at poca.com,Kurt Byrnes <[4]kdb at kbyrnes.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Future of the email list
First, if you were aware of what is going on with POCA, you would
know
that we now have International Memberships at $50 per year. Both the
Newsletter and the Profiles quarterly magazine are included in a
digital format (no recycling). If you want to get a paper
subscription
to Profiles, you can, it is an additionally $45 a year ( and we lose
money do that, it costs $44 per member per year just in postage, not
counting the enevelope or magazine printing).
Given that NONE of you has seen the new website, then all of you have
Zero knowledge to talk about it.
You don't know for example that it will have 40 years of newsletters
and magazines on it in a digital library.
You don't know that it will have the $49.95 Pantera DVD on it for
members for FREE.
You don't know know that it will have all Ford Manuals online in PDF
form
You don't know it will have all the Detomaso manuals online in PDF
form
You don't know it will have a huge section open to the public to
teach
them about the cars with photos.
You don't know it will have a public area with a Cars for sale
listing
service with photos
You don't know we're building a Detomaso Registry with more metrics
than any registry online for any car.
You don't know it will have a full Amazon type store with a shopping
cart and check out to buy POCA and DeTomaso gear that will be in
stock
and shipped within 48 hours.
But to enjoy most of this stuff, you need to be a member, you need to
stop being a leech and support the club.
Nothing in life is free, hearing a non member complain sounds like
silence.
I was a non member longer than I have been a member, but you know
what?
I was taught that when you're a guest, you just keep it to yourself.
Nothing worse than a guest who complains.
Its time the club stop operating in the red, giving stuff away and
not
behaving like it needs to behave to last another 40+ years. It's time
that somebody call out the vendors who do not buy any ads in the
newsletter or Profiles and complain about not having a free forum to
reach members so you can sell them stuff and make a profit.
Y'all need to get up off your wallet and support the club so we can
deliver a proper membership experience to everybody.
$50 a year in dues and the cars are now worth $60,000 to $400,000 is
a
bargain by any measure. I've personally arranged for two different
collector car insurance discounts that will pay for most of your
membership dues.
There are more POCA club member discounts coming.
Michael Shortt
On Apr 19, 2016 8:07 PM, "B. SEIB" <[1][5]oldwheel at shaw.ca> wrote:
Thank you Kurt.
I'm willing to pay an annual fee for this mailing list - say maybe
+/- $30
USD annually if required.
It has been a great pleasure to belong to this list for me since
2000. I
have made many friends here and learned a great deal. I've tried to
contribute what I can. It is the only Pantera connection I have or
need.
I have no interest in getting a bunch of paper magazines to recycle
and
paying $90 USD for it, so I am not currently a POCA member. I tried
the
membership a couple of times, but the value just wasn't there for
me. I'm
500+ miles away from any chapter, so no joy there either. There is
no
"electronic only" POCA membership available or planned. I've been
informed
it will never happen.
I have a lot of confidence in the advice from many people on this
list. They
are not all POCA members. We have some very generous, bright,
knowledgeable
people on here. I want to be a member of the DeTomaso email list!
POCA is
great. The members are great, but it's not like this list.
I'll be very sad if it can't be saved. 8<(
Please keep me informed.
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2][6]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
Of
Kurt Byrnes
Sent: April-19-16 5:49 PM
To: [3][7]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Future of the email list
Although I rarely post, I've been reading this list for many years.
I
find the format convenient and easy to manage. Although there are
limitations with attachments and such, I'd hate to see it
disappear. I
plan on renewing my POCA membership and reading the new forums and
strongly urge all to do so as well.
However, I'd love to give back to the community so I've offered to
keep
it going if there's enough interest.
So, is there interest? If so, we'll need a new domain name to host
it. Suggestions?
Kurt
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