[DeTomaso] Email Forum Opportunity

Tue Apr 19 20:35:25 EDT 2016

I haven't had the pleasure of knowing you all for that long.  (only been a member for a year and half)  However, I have a great deal of respect for the knowledge, friendliness, and willingness to help I've seen here.  I've also seen this on the PI Forum as well.
I see this e-mail string and forums as tools to foster the enthusiast communities they exist for.   Over my 30 years in the engineering business I've seen my "toolbox" change many times.  I've always resisted the changes at first, preferring the old way to the new.  I can't believe I once thought CAD was slow and a waste of time when I could put pencil to paper on my drafting table and get exactly what I wanted!  Every time I was resistant to a new tool, I ultimately found the new tool was much better than what I did before!
Before owning a Pantera, I have been involved in the BMW community for years and the many forums they have.  I must say that I prefer the forum model. In every forum I've been a member of I've been able to:
-Find good information easily-Make friends with other members easily-Buy and sell stuff easily-Get e-mail notifications when someone responds to a post I've made-Post pictures and videos easily-Participate in organized group buys from vendors who sponsor the forums
In using this e-mail string I cannot find things as easily.  Say for example, I want to find out about the torque specification for the drain plug on the ZF.  It may have been discussed in a long string in November of 2009, but how in the world would I know to look there on the POCA e-mail archive?  All of the forums I've used have a search feature to find information going back to the beginning of time. 
As for making the new forum a "members only" forum.  Please don't do this.  As an outsider without a membership, I may never have found the information and confidence to become an owner without the free access I had to the PI Forum and this e-mail string!  I do not mind at all that part of my membership dues would go to support a "free to all" forum.  
Lastly, I would really hate to loose those long time members that love this e-mail string method of communicating.  I know that there are many people that are active here and on the PI Forum.  I don't know if they share my opinion that the Forums are easier to navigate, but I've shared my experience.  
Don't know if this is helpful or not.
Respectfully,Dennis#7260

    On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 5:04 PM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:

   The By-Laws provide a way for the members to petition the Board and I
  don't think it takes too many of them to do so. Check the By-Laws. It's
  one of the things I slipped in when we redid the changes to Art X last
  year. Put in just for these sorts of things! Power to the people!A d-A
  Jeff
  6559

  On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 6:50 PM, SOBill via DeTomaso
  <[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:

    A  A Rob and All,
    A  A The problem with "give it all a chance" is that, based on my
    A  A experience, once the forum is converted it will never come
    back.
    A  A I think the sequence has been:
    A  A 1. We will host it for you.
    A  A 2. We will "modernize" it for you.
    A  A 3. You will love it ..... strawberries and cream even if you
    don't
    A  A like, or need, strawberries and cream.
    A  A I am not a reactionary and I normally don't get involved in
    these sorts
    A  A of issues, but I think it is far, farA  better to improve what
    already
    A  A works than to scrap a format which is quite time efficient and
    has been
    A  A in use for many, many years.
    A  A I think the fact that this is going to happen whether the
    present forum
    A  A members like it or not says it all.
    A  A Bill Taylor
    A  A The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.
    A  A Do the best you can with what your have where you are.
    A  A Have fun today!
    A  A SOBill
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   I haven't had the pleasure of knowing you all for that long.  (only
   been a member for a year and half)  However, I have a great deal of
   respect for the knowledge, friendliness, and willingness to help I've
   seen here.  I've also seen this on the PI Forum as well.
   I see this e-mail string and forums as tools to foster the enthusiast
   communities they exist for.   Over my 30 years in the engineering
   business I've seen my "toolbox" change many times.  I've always
   resisted the changes at first, preferring the old way to the new.  I
   can't believe I once thought CAD was slow and a waste of time when I
   could put pencil to paper on my drafting table and get exactly what I
   wanted!  Every time I was resistant to a new tool, I ultimately found
   the new tool was much better than what I did before!
   Before owning a Pantera, I have been involved in the BMW community for
   years and the many forums they have.  I must say that I prefer the
   forum model. In every forum I've been a member of I've been able to:
   -Find good information easily
   -Make friends with other members easily
   -Buy and sell stuff easily
   -Get e-mail notifications when someone responds to a post I've made
   -Post pictures and videos easily
   -Participate in organized group buys from vendors who sponsor the
   forums
   In using this e-mail string I cannot find things as easily.  Say for
   example, I want to find out about the torque specification for the
   drain plug on the ZF.  It may have been discussed in a long string in
   November of 2009, but how in the world would I know to look there on
   the POCA e-mail archive?  All of the forums I've used have a search
   feature to find information going back to the beginning of time.
   As for making the new forum a "members only" forum.  Please don't do
   this.  As an outsider without a membership, I may never have found the
   information and confidence to become an owner without the free access I
   had to the PI Forum and this e-mail string!  I do not mind at all that
   part of my membership dues would go to support a "free to all" forum.
   Lastly, I would really hate to loose those long time members that love
   this e-mail string method of communicating.  I know that there are many
   people that are active here and on the PI Forum.  I don't know if they
   share my opinion that the Forums are easier to navigate, but I've
   shared my experience.
   Don't know if this is helpful or not.
   Respectfully,
   Dennis
   #7260
   On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 5:04 PM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
   wrote:
     The By-Laws provide a way for the members to petition the Board and I
     don't think it takes too many of them to do so. Check the By-Laws.
   It's
     one of the things I slipped in when we redid the changes to Art X
   last
     year. Put in just for these sorts of things! Power to the people!A
   d-A
     Jeff
     6559
     On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 6:50 PM, SOBill via DeTomaso
     <[1][1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
       A  A Rob and All,
       A  A The problem with "give it all a chance" is that, based on my
       A  A experience, once the forum is converted it will never come
       back.
       A  A I think the sequence has been:
       A  A 1. We will host it for you.
       A  A 2. We will "modernize" it for you.
       A  A 3. You will love it ..... strawberries and cream even if you
       don't
       A  A like, or need, strawberries and cream.
       A  A I am not a reactionary and I normally don't get involved in
       these sorts
       A  A of issues, but I think it is far, farA  better to improve what
       already
       A  A works than to scrap a format which is quite time efficient and
       has been
       A  A in use for many, many years.
       A  A I think the fact that this is going to happen whether the
       present forum
       A  A members like it or not says it all.
       A  A Bill Taylor
       A  A The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.
       A  A Do the best you can with what your have where you are.
       A  A Have fun today!
       A  A SOBill
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