[DeTomaso] Headers
Brian Dudley
bd8134 at gmail.com
Tue Apr 12 16:23:02 EDT 2016
I have Pat Mical's headers which are steel and come already coated.
They have O2 bungs installed, great for tuning or running efi.
The fit is great, the finish looks good and the coating keeps the temp down.
The headers also produced 45hp more than Euro GTS headers on a 640hp build.
They also beat the "dyno" headers by +11hp.
Nice thick exhaust flanges..
On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> And don't assume that an original style exhaust system will fit either, I
> recently fitted an original new Ansa system and initially the muffler tips
> were about 30 degrees off horizontal when viewed from the rear of the car.
> The only option was to cut off the flange and re-weld on the car to get
> them right, but it takes courage to cut a brand new exhaust.
>
> Fortunately a set of Borla's I fitted to another car had a slip flange so
> could be rotated to fit easily.
>
> Julian
>
> > On Apr 12, 2016, at 12:32 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <
> detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> >
> > No, you're right on. Stainless headers were once offered by all the
> > usual US vendors, but the cost of fabricating headers using a TIG
> > welder is labor-intensive, so be ready for a price of at least $750-up.
> > Cheaper is usually suspect. A contributing factor was a few people
> > complaining about fit-up- a usual complaint with Panteras that vary
> > from car to car. The cylinder heads used, the year of the car and the
> > sound level you can tolerate also have a part. And there are at least
> > four different stainless steels that have been used- some were
> > "barely-stainless" from the Far East. SS-301 and -302 will rust and are
> > slightly magnetic! One well known engine builder ordered a few lengths
> > of cheap ss as a check before ordering $10,000 worth of stock, and
> > found one of the 6ft long pipes was carefully polished, clear-coated
> > mild steel!
> > Useable SS is non-magnetic and does not conduct heat, sound or
> > electricity very well, so the engine bay temp and even the sound level
> > both may drop a little. It will turn blue under heat near the heads-
> > motorcycles have had to live with this effect for 50 yrs. Header
> > systems are slow-moving items for vendors due to the price- call around
> > and see if a Pantera vendor will custom-make you a set. E-Bay sets will
> > not likely fit- systems must practically be built on the car in
> > question to be sure of a good fit. SS doesn't need to be Jet-hot-coated
> > but if it is, the inside coating may help flow a little by smoothing
> > the joints. Repairs can be done but again- only with a gas-shielded
> > welder such as TIG. Argon is now over $100 a bottle and helium is even
> > higher. This is a 5X increase from 10 years ago. Good luck- J DeRyke
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael <michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>
> > To: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> > Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> > Sent: Tue, Apr 12, 2016 11:57 am
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headers
> > I'm thinking stainless, with a coating to prevent tarnishing and more
> > importantly to reduce heat in the engine bay.Am I barking up the wrong
> > tree?
> > Sent from my iPad
> > On 12 Apr 2016, at 19:47, Michael Shortt <[1][1]michaelsavga at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > Michael,
> > Stainless Steel is not a coating, it's what things are made out of, I
> > do not think that SS would withstand the heat of being a header.
> > You might mean a ceramic coating that is silver, check out "Jet-Hot" on
> > google.
> > Good Luck,
> > Michael Shortt
> > On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Michael
> > <[2][2]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > Hi all, can anyone tell me where can I get a set of Cleveland
> > stainless steel coated headers from?I'm having my engine tuned up a
> > little and I think a nice set of shiny headers will look and sound
> > nice,may even get e few extra ponies
> > Thanks in advance
> > Michael
> > Sent from my iPad
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I have Pat Mical's headers which are steel and come already coated.A
They have O2 bungs installed, great for tuning or running efi.
The fit is great, the finish looks good and the coating keeps the temp
down.
The headers also produced 45hp more than Euro GTS headers on a 640hp
build.
They also beat the "dyno" headers by +11hp.
Nice thick exhaust flanges..
On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Julian Kift
<[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
And don't assume that an original style exhaust system will fit
either, I recently fitted an original new Ansa system and initially
the muffler tips were about 30 degrees off horizontal when viewed
from the rear of the car. The only option was to cut off the flange
and re-weld on the car to get them right, but it takes courage to
cut a brand new exhaust.
Fortunately a set of Borla's I fitted to another car had a slip
flange so could be rotated to fit easily.
Julian
> On Apr 12, 2016, at 12:32 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
<[2]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>
>A A No, you're right on. Stainless headers were once offered by
all the
>A A usual US vendors, but the cost of fabricating headers using a
TIG
>A A welder is labor-intensive, so be ready for a price of at least
$750-up.
>A A Cheaper is usually suspect. A contributing factor was a few
people
>A A complaining about fit-up- a usual complaint with Panteras that
vary
>A A from car to car. The cylinder heads used, the year of the car
and the
>A A sound level you can tolerate also have a part.A And there are
at least
>A A four different stainless steels that have been used- some were
>A A "barely-stainless" from the Far East. SS-301 and -302 will
rust and are
>A A slightly magnetic! One well known engine builder ordered a few
lengths
>A A of cheap ss as a check before ordering $10,000 worth of stock,
and
>A A found one of the 6ft long pipes was carefully polished,
clear-coated
>A A mild steel!
>A A Useable SS is non-magnetic and does not conduct heat, sound or
>A A electricity very well, so the engine bay temp and even the
sound level
>A A both may drop a little. It will turn blue under heat near the
heads-
>A A motorcycles have had to live with this effect for 50 yrs.
Header
>A A systems are slow-moving items for vendors due to the price-
call around
>A A and see if a Pantera vendor will custom-make you a set. E-Bay
sets will
>A A not likely fit- systems must practically be built on the car
in
>A A question to be sure of a good fit. SS doesn't need to be
Jet-hot-coated
>A A but if it is, the inside coating may help flow a little by
smoothing
>A A the joints. Repairs can be done but again- only with a
gas-shielded
>A A welder such as TIG. Argon is now over $100 a bottle and helium
is even
>A A higher. This is a 5X increase from 10 years ago. Good luck- J
DeRyke
>
>A A -----Original Message-----
>A A From: Michael <[3]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>
>A A To: Michael Shortt <[4]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>A A Cc: detomaso <[5]detomaso at poca.com>
>A A Sent: Tue, Apr 12, 2016 11:57 am
>A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headers
>A A I'm thinking stainless, with a coating to prevent tarnishing
and more
>A A importantly to reduce heat in the engine bay.Am I barking up
the wrong
>A A tree?
>A A Sent from my iPad
>A A On 12 Apr 2016, at 19:47, Michael Shortt
<[1][1][6]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>A A wrote:
>A A Michael,
>A A Stainless Steel is not a coating, it's what things are made
out of, I
>A A do not think that SS would withstand the heat of being a
header.
>A A You might mean a ceramic coating that is silver, check out
"Jet-Hot" on
>A A google.
>A A Good Luck,
>A A Michael Shortt
>A A On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Michael
>A A <[2][2][7]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>A A Hi all, can anyone tell me where can I get a set of Cleveland
>A A stainless steel coated headers from?I'm having my engine tuned
up a
>A A little and I think a nice set of shiny headers will look and
sound
>A A nice,may even get e few extra ponies
>A A Thanks in advance
>A A Michael
>A A Sent from my iPad
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