[DeTomaso] Headers

Tue Apr 12 15:32:25 EDT 2016

No, you're right on. Stainless headers were once offered by all the usual US vendors, but the cost of fabricating headers using a TIG welder is labor-intensive, so be ready for a price of at least $750-up. Cheaper is usually suspect. A contributing factor was a few people complaining about fit-up- a usual complaint with Panteras that vary from car to car. The cylinder heads used, the year of the car and the sound level you can tolerate also have a part.  And there are at least four different stainless steels that have been used- some were "barely-stainless" from the Far East. SS-301 and -302 will rust and are slightly magnetic! One well known engine builder ordered a few lengths of cheap ss as a check before ordering $10,000 worth of stock, and found one of the 6ft long pipes was carefully polished, clear-coated mild steel! 

Useable SS is non-magnetic and does not conduct heat, sound or electricity very well, so the engine bay temp and even the sound level both may drop a little. It will turn blue under heat near the heads- motorcycles have had to live with this effect for 50 yrs. Header systems are slow-moving items for vendors due to the price- call around and see if a Pantera vendor will custom-make you a set. E-Bay sets will not likely fit- systems must practically be built on the car in question to be sure of a good fit. SS doesn't need to be Jet-hot-coated but if it is, the inside coating may help flow a little by smoothing the joints. Repairs can be done but again- only with a gas-shielded welder such as TIG. Argon is now over $100 a bottle and helium is even higher. This is a 5X increase from 10 years ago. Good luck- J DeRyke

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael <michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>
To: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 12, 2016 11:57 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headers

I'm thinking stainless, with a coating to prevent tarnishing and more
   importantly to reduce heat in the engine bay.Am I barking up the wrong
   tree?
   Sent from my iPad

   On 12 Apr 2016, at 19:47, Michael Shortt <[1]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
   wrote:

   Michael,
   Stainless Steel is not a coating, it's what things are made out of, I
   do not think that SS would withstand the heat of being a header.
   You might mean a ceramic coating that is silver, check out "Jet-Hot" on
   google.
   Good Luck,
   Michael Shortt
   On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Michael
   <[2]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

     Hi all, can anyone tell me where can I get a set of Cleveland
     stainless steel coated headers from?I'm having my engine tuned up a
     little and I think a nice set of shiny headers will look and sound
     nice,may even get e few extra ponies
     Thanks in advance
     Michael
     Sent from my iPad
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   No, you're right on. Stainless headers were once offered by all the
   usual US vendors, but the cost of fabricating headers using a TIG
   welder is labor-intensive, so be ready for a price of at least $750-up.
   Cheaper is usually suspect. A contributing factor was a few people
   complaining about fit-up- a usual complaint with Panteras that vary
   from car to car. The cylinder heads used, the year of the car and the
   sound level you can tolerate also have a part.  And there are at least
   four different stainless steels that have been used- some were
   "barely-stainless" from the Far East. SS-301 and -302 will rust and are
   slightly magnetic! One well known engine builder ordered a few lengths
   of cheap ss as a check before ordering $10,000 worth of stock, and
   found one of the 6ft long pipes was carefully polished, clear-coated
   mild steel!
   Useable SS is non-magnetic and does not conduct heat, sound or
   electricity very well, so the engine bay temp and even the sound level
   both may drop a little. It will turn blue under heat near the heads-
   motorcycles have had to live with this effect for 50 yrs. Header
   systems are slow-moving items for vendors due to the price- call around
   and see if a Pantera vendor will custom-make you a set. E-Bay sets will
   not likely fit- systems must practically be built on the car in
   question to be sure of a good fit. SS doesn't need to be Jet-hot-coated
   but if it is, the inside coating may help flow a little by smoothing
   the joints. Repairs can be done but again- only with a gas-shielded
   welder such as TIG. Argon is now over $100 a bottle and helium is even
   higher. This is a 5X increase from 10 years ago. Good luck- J DeRyke

   -----Original Message-----
   From: Michael <michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>
   To: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
   Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
   Sent: Tue, Apr 12, 2016 11:57 am
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headers
   I'm thinking stainless, with a coating to prevent tarnishing and more
   importantly to reduce heat in the engine bay.Am I barking up the wrong
   tree?
   Sent from my iPad
   On 12 Apr 2016, at 19:47, Michael Shortt <[1][1]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   Michael,
   Stainless Steel is not a coating, it's what things are made out of, I
   do not think that SS would withstand the heat of being a header.
   You might mean a ceramic coating that is silver, check out "Jet-Hot" on
   google.
   Good Luck,
   Michael Shortt
   On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Michael
   <[2][2]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
   Hi all, can anyone tell me where can I get a set of Cleveland
   stainless steel coated headers from?I'm having my engine tuned up a
   little and I think a nice set of shiny headers will look and sound
   nice,may even get e few extra ponies
   Thanks in advance
   Michael
   Sent from my iPad
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