[DeTomaso] Pantera and 351C mechanical fuel pumps

Jerry Knotts knottsj at galstar.com
Thu Apr 7 20:26:48 EDT 2016


My first recollection of the use was for the 289 solid lifter motor in 
the 66 GT Mustang.

jerry knotts



On 4/7/2016 3:13 PM, Dave wrote:
> Remember the 455 HO? (high output)
> HO was used by Oldsmobile & Pontiac used HD (heavy duty)
>
> IndyDave
>
> ________________________________________
> From: cengles at cox.net [cengles at cox.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:09 AM
> To: gaino at earthlink.net; detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera and 351C mechanical fuel pumps
>
> Dear Bill "Power Monger" Gaino and Jack,
>
>
>                Bill, I already have one on my Mk III engine.  The current
> engine build is of more modest power production and requires a less
> potent (and expensive!) fuel pump.  I also require one that permits AN
> fittings for the AN plumbing.  The stock style Carter won't work with AN
> fittings, AFAIK, and the the McRobb Perfomance unit will readily work
> with AN fittings and will meet ALL fuel capacity needs, but at a price
> too high for this engine.
>
>
>                Jack,  AFAIK,  "hipo" dates back some decades and is a
> contraction of "High Power" or "High Powered".   I seem to recall that
> it was more associated with Ford engines from the sixties and seventies,
> than Chevy, but I am not sure.
>
>
>                        Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:41 AM, bill gaino wrote:
>
>> Try this 550 hp unit.
>> http://www.robbmcperformance.com/products/ford550.html
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: cengles at cox.net
>>> Sent: Apr 7, 2016 10:03 AM
>>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera and 351C mechanical fuel pumps
>>>
>>>     Dear Forum,
>>>
>>>                      A bit more news for those eager for the up to the
>>>    minute developments in maintaining a 351C original type fuel
>>> system.
>>>
>>>                      One of the bigger and American Ebay vendors for
>>> the
>>>    Taiwan hipo 351C fuel pump is a real business in Kingsport,
>>> Tennessee:
>>>    White Racing Engines.   They have a real phone number and real
>>> people
>>>    answer.  I called today for due diligence and spoke with Al.
>>>
>>>                      He tells me that indeed the Ebay hipo Cleveland
>>> fuel
>>>    pump used to be the Holley hipo fuel pump, which explains the
>>>    similarity of the two.  He tells me that it is indeed made in China
>>> or
>>>    Taiwan, but he doesn't know which one.  He tells me that he cannot
>>> say
>>>    for sure that it is the same company that made them for Holley or
>>> if
>>>    the company simply bought the Holley manufacturing stuff and began
>>>    production.  He says that they first used them on their Chevy
>>> engines
>>>    and they have been good quality.
>>>
>>>                      So.....it is probably worth a try if you need a
>>>    mechanical fuel pump with more capacity than the stock style Carter
>>>    pump.  The price is $25 plus $8 shipping.  I took the plunge and
>>> bought
>>>    one.
>>>
>>>                                   For what it is worth,  Chuck Engles
>>>
>>>      ___________________________
>>>
>>>    From: "Charles Engles" < [1]cengles at cox.net>
>>>
>>>    To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
>>>
>>>    Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 4:43:46 PM
>>>
>>>    Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera and 351C mechanical fuel pumps
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    Dear Forum,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                             Last year there were no 351C fuel pumps
>>> other
>>>    than
>>>
>>>    the bare bones humble Carter stock units.  Holley had quit making
>>> their
>>>    hipo
>>>
>>>    unit.   Summit, Jeg's and others did not sell them.   I don't think
>>>    that I
>>>
>>>    could find one on a Google search.   Jack DeRyke has written in the
>>>
>>>    newsletter that the list of Cleveland parts that are no longer
>>>    available
>>>
>>>    included: mechanical fuel pumps.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                               Things seem to have changed.   I am
>>>    currently
>>>
>>>    building another engine and I was looking for a mechanical unit
>>> that
>>>    was
>>>
>>>    less than the full tilt $200 McPerformance pump that I bought for
>>> the
>>>    last
>>>
>>>    engine.  This engine's power is notably less and unit more than
>>> stock
>>>    and
>>>
>>>    less than full tilt was ideal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                            The usual searches showed nothing other
>>> than
>>>    the
>>>
>>>    Carter unit and a "Spectre" Chinese knock off.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                              Through the miracle of Google I found two
>>>
>>>    noteworthy items:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    1)       Jeg's now stocks a hipo fuel pump made, their tech line
>>>    believes
>>>
>>>    ,in Taiwan or China.   It bears a remarkable similarity to what I
>>>    recall of
>>>
>>>    the Holley hipo unit.  Jeg's unit is about $46 and has a year's
>>>    warranty and
>>>
>>>    can be returned if they actually sell you a Windsor unit.  Their
>>>    website
>>>
>>>    does picture a *Windsor* pump and they said that the picture of the
>>>    Windsor
>>>
>>>    pump is only "representative".  If you order and it ain't  a
>>> Cleveland
>>>    then
>>>
>>>    you can return it at their cost and get a refund---they said.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                           Jegs part number 707-R2306
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    2)        Ebay has about a dozen vendors of essentially the same
>>> pump
>>>
>>>    showing the same picture of either the Windsor or Cleveland pump.
>>> The
>>>
>>>    prices range from $31 to $55.   Warranties are unknown.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [3]http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FU
>>>    EL-PUMP-
>>>
>>>    8PSI-140GPH-1009-C-/222067607020?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    3)      The Carter unit is $20 at Summit and Jeg's
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                         So, the exact quality is uncertain, but there
>>> are
>>>    more
>>>
>>>    choices than the $20 Carter or the $200 McPerformance units.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                         Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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