[DeTomaso] Pantera and 351C mechanical fuel pumps
Jerry Knotts
knottsj at galstar.com
Thu Apr 7 20:26:48 EDT 2016
My first recollection of the use was for the 289 solid lifter motor in
the 66 GT Mustang.
jerry knotts
On 4/7/2016 3:13 PM, Dave wrote:
> Remember the 455 HO? (high output)
> HO was used by Oldsmobile & Pontiac used HD (heavy duty)
>
> IndyDave
>
> ________________________________________
> From: cengles at cox.net [cengles at cox.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:09 AM
> To: gaino at earthlink.net; detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera and 351C mechanical fuel pumps
>
> Dear Bill "Power Monger" Gaino and Jack,
>
>
> Bill, I already have one on my Mk III engine. The current
> engine build is of more modest power production and requires a less
> potent (and expensive!) fuel pump. I also require one that permits AN
> fittings for the AN plumbing. The stock style Carter won't work with AN
> fittings, AFAIK, and the the McRobb Perfomance unit will readily work
> with AN fittings and will meet ALL fuel capacity needs, but at a price
> too high for this engine.
>
>
> Jack, AFAIK, "hipo" dates back some decades and is a
> contraction of "High Power" or "High Powered". I seem to recall that
> it was more associated with Ford engines from the sixties and seventies,
> than Chevy, but I am not sure.
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:41 AM, bill gaino wrote:
>
>> Try this 550 hp unit.
>> http://www.robbmcperformance.com/products/ford550.html
>>
>>
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: cengles at cox.net
>>> Sent: Apr 7, 2016 10:03 AM
>>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera and 351C mechanical fuel pumps
>>>
>>> Dear Forum,
>>>
>>> A bit more news for those eager for the up to the
>>> minute developments in maintaining a 351C original type fuel
>>> system.
>>>
>>> One of the bigger and American Ebay vendors for
>>> the
>>> Taiwan hipo 351C fuel pump is a real business in Kingsport,
>>> Tennessee:
>>> White Racing Engines. They have a real phone number and real
>>> people
>>> answer. I called today for due diligence and spoke with Al.
>>>
>>> He tells me that indeed the Ebay hipo Cleveland
>>> fuel
>>> pump used to be the Holley hipo fuel pump, which explains the
>>> similarity of the two. He tells me that it is indeed made in China
>>> or
>>> Taiwan, but he doesn't know which one. He tells me that he cannot
>>> say
>>> for sure that it is the same company that made them for Holley or
>>> if
>>> the company simply bought the Holley manufacturing stuff and began
>>> production. He says that they first used them on their Chevy
>>> engines
>>> and they have been good quality.
>>>
>>> So.....it is probably worth a try if you need a
>>> mechanical fuel pump with more capacity than the stock style Carter
>>> pump. The price is $25 plus $8 shipping. I took the plunge and
>>> bought
>>> one.
>>>
>>> For what it is worth, Chuck Engles
>>>
>>> ___________________________
>>>
>>> From: "Charles Engles" < [1]cengles at cox.net>
>>>
>>> To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
>>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 4:43:46 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera and 351C mechanical fuel pumps
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Forum,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Last year there were no 351C fuel pumps
>>> other
>>> than
>>>
>>> the bare bones humble Carter stock units. Holley had quit making
>>> their
>>> hipo
>>>
>>> unit. Summit, Jeg's and others did not sell them. I don't think
>>> that I
>>>
>>> could find one on a Google search. Jack DeRyke has written in the
>>>
>>> newsletter that the list of Cleveland parts that are no longer
>>> available
>>>
>>> included: mechanical fuel pumps.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Things seem to have changed. I am
>>> currently
>>>
>>> building another engine and I was looking for a mechanical unit
>>> that
>>> was
>>>
>>> less than the full tilt $200 McPerformance pump that I bought for
>>> the
>>> last
>>>
>>> engine. This engine's power is notably less and unit more than
>>> stock
>>> and
>>>
>>> less than full tilt was ideal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The usual searches showed nothing other
>>> than
>>> the
>>>
>>> Carter unit and a "Spectre" Chinese knock off.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Through the miracle of Google I found two
>>>
>>> noteworthy items:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1) Jeg's now stocks a hipo fuel pump made, their tech line
>>> believes
>>>
>>> ,in Taiwan or China. It bears a remarkable similarity to what I
>>> recall of
>>>
>>> the Holley hipo unit. Jeg's unit is about $46 and has a year's
>>> warranty and
>>>
>>> can be returned if they actually sell you a Windsor unit. Their
>>> website
>>>
>>> does picture a *Windsor* pump and they said that the picture of the
>>> Windsor
>>>
>>> pump is only "representative". If you order and it ain't a
>>> Cleveland
>>> then
>>>
>>> you can return it at their cost and get a refund---they said.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jegs part number 707-R2306
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2) Ebay has about a dozen vendors of essentially the same
>>> pump
>>>
>>> showing the same picture of either the Windsor or Cleveland pump.
>>> The
>>>
>>> prices range from $31 to $55. Warranties are unknown.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [3]http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FU
>>> EL-PUMP-
>>>
>>> 8PSI-140GPH-1009-C-/222067607020?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3) The Carter unit is $20 at Summit and Jeg's
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So, the exact quality is uncertain, but there
>>> are
>>> more
>>>
>>> choices than the $20 Carter or the $200 McPerformance units.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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