[DeTomaso] Pantera and 351C mechanical fuel pumps
jderyke at aol.com
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Thu Apr 7 13:05:13 EDT 2016
One defining feature of hi-po fuel pumps is to be able to take them apart and rebuild them- assuming you can find the parts. The fact that they are similar ]to the old Holleys is reassuring. Only the pump diaphragm and the in/out valves can fail, so I'll be looking for sources of those, as today's "gas" eats up rubber and plastic. THanks, Chuck-
J Deryke
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From: cengles <cengles at cox.net>
To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 7, 2016 7:07 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera and 351C mechanical fuel pumps
Dear Forum,
A bit more news for those eager for the up to the
minute developments in maintaining a 351C original type fuel system.
One of the bigger and American Ebay vendors for the
Taiwan hipo 351C fuel pump is a real business in Kingsport, Tennessee:
White Racing Engines. They have a real phone number and real people
answer. I called today for due diligence and spoke with Al.
He tells me that indeed the Ebay hipo Cleveland fuel
pump used to be the Holley hipo fuel pump, which explains the
similarity of the two. He tells me that it is indeed made in China or
Taiwan, but he doesn't know which one. He tells me that he cannot say
for sure that it is the same company that made them for Holley or if
the company simply bought the Holley manufacturing stuff and began
production. He says that they first used them on their Chevy engines
and they have been good quality.
So.....it is probably worth a try if you need a
mechanical fuel pump with more capacity than the stock style Carter
pump. The price is $25 plus $8 shipping. I took the plunge and bought
one.
For what it is worth, Chuck Engles
___________________________
From: "Charles Engles" < [1]cengles at cox.net>
To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 4:43:46 PM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera and 351C mechanical fuel pumps
Dear Forum,
Last year there were no 351C fuel pumps other
than
the bare bones humble Carter stock units. Holley had quit making their
hipo
unit. Summit, Jeg's and others did not sell them. I don't think
that I
could find one on a Google search. Jack DeRyke has written in the
newsletter that the list of Cleveland parts that are no longer
available
included: mechanical fuel pumps.
Things seem to have changed. I am
currently
building another engine and I was looking for a mechanical unit that
was
less than the full tilt $200 McPerformance pump that I bought for the
last
engine. This engine's power is notably less and unit more than stock
and
less than full tilt was ideal.
The usual searches showed nothing other than
the
Carter unit and a "Spectre" Chinese knock off.
Through the miracle of Google I found two
noteworthy items:
1) Jeg's now stocks a hipo fuel pump made, their tech line
believes
,in Taiwan or China. It bears a remarkable similarity to what I
recall of
the Holley hipo unit. Jeg's unit is about $46 and has a year's
warranty and
can be returned if they actually sell you a Windsor unit. Their
website
does picture a *Windsor* pump and they said that the picture of the
Windsor
pump is only "representative". If you order and it ain't a Cleveland
then
you can return it at their cost and get a refund---they said.
Jegs part number 707-R2306
2) Ebay has about a dozen vendors of essentially the same pump
showing the same picture of either the Windsor or Cleveland pump. The
prices range from $31 to $55. Warranties are unknown.
[3]http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FU
EL-PUMP-
8PSI-140GPH-1009-C-/222067607020?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368
3) The Carter unit is $20 at Summit and Jeg's
So, the exact quality is uncertain, but there are
more
choices than the $20 Carter or the $200 McPerformance units.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
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One defining feature of hi-po fuel pumps is to be able to take them
apart and rebuild them- assuming you can find the parts. The fact that
they are similar ]to the old Holleys is reassuring. Only the pump
diaphragm and the in/out valves can fail, so I'll be looking for
sources of those, as today's "gas" eats up rubber and plastic. THanks,
Chuck-
J Deryke
-----Original Message-----
From: cengles <cengles at cox.net>
To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 7, 2016 7:07 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera and 351C mechanical fuel pumps
Dear Forum,
A bit more news for those eager for the up to the
minute developments in maintaining a 351C original type fuel system.
One of the bigger and American Ebay vendors for the
Taiwan hipo 351C fuel pump is a real business in Kingsport, Tennessee:
White Racing Engines. They have a real phone number and real people
answer. I called today for due diligence and spoke with Al.
He tells me that indeed the Ebay hipo Cleveland fuel
pump used to be the Holley hipo fuel pump, which explains the
similarity of the two. He tells me that it is indeed made in China or
Taiwan, but he doesn't know which one. He tells me that he cannot say
for sure that it is the same company that made them for Holley or if
the company simply bought the Holley manufacturing stuff and began
production. He says that they first used them on their Chevy engines
and they have been good quality.
So.....it is probably worth a try if you need a
mechanical fuel pump with more capacity than the stock style Carter
pump. The price is $25 plus $8 shipping. I took the plunge and bought
one.
For what it is worth, Chuck Engles
___________________________
From: "Charles Engles" < [1][1]cengles at cox.net>
To: [2][2]detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 4:43:46 PM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera and 351C mechanical fuel pumps
Dear Forum,
Last year there were no 351C fuel pumps other
than
the bare bones humble Carter stock units. Holley had quit making their
hipo
unit. Summit, Jeg's and others did not sell them. I don't think
that I
could find one on a Google search. Jack DeRyke has written in the
newsletter that the list of Cleveland parts that are no longer
available
included: mechanical fuel pumps.
Things seem to have changed. I am
currently
building another engine and I was looking for a mechanical unit that
was
less than the full tilt $200 McPerformance pump that I bought for the
last
engine. This engine's power is notably less and unit more than stock
and
less than full tilt was ideal.
The usual searches showed nothing other than
the
Carter unit and a "Spectre" Chinese knock off.
Through the miracle of Google I found two
noteworthy items:
1) Jeg's now stocks a hipo fuel pump made, their tech line
believes
,in Taiwan or China. It bears a remarkable similarity to what I
recall of
the Holley hipo unit. Jeg's unit is about $46 and has a year's
warranty and
can be returned if they actually sell you a Windsor unit. Their
website
does picture a *Windsor* pump and they said that the picture of the
Windsor
pump is only "representative". If you order and it ain't a Cleveland
then
you can return it at their cost and get a refund---they said.
Jegs part number 707-R2306
2) Ebay has about a dozen vendors of essentially the same pump
showing the same picture of either the Windsor or Cleveland pump. The
prices range from $31 to $55. Warranties are unknown.
[3][3]http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL
-FU
EL-PUMP-
8PSI-140GPH-1009-C-/222067607020?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368
3) The Carter unit is $20 at Summit and Jeg's
So, the exact quality is uncertain, but there are
more
choices than the $20 Carter or the $200 McPerformance units.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
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