[DeTomaso] Pantera and 351C mechanical fuel pumps

cengles at cox.net cengles at cox.net
Thu Apr 7 10:03:11 EDT 2016


  Dear Forum,


                   A bit more news for those eager for the up to the 
minute developments in maintaining a 351C original type fuel system.

                   One of the bigger and American Ebay vendors for the 
Taiwan hipo 351C fuel pump is a real business in Kingsport, Tennessee: 
White Racing Engines.   They have a real phone number and real people 
answer.  I called today for due diligence and spoke with Al.

                   He tells me that indeed the Ebay hipo Cleveland fuel 
pump used to be the Holley hipo fuel pump, which explains the similarity 
of the two.  He tells me that it is indeed made in China or Taiwan, but 
he doesn't know which one.  He tells me that he cannot say for sure that 
it is the same company that made them for Holley or if the company 
simply bought the Holley manufacturing stuff and began production.  He 
says that they first used them on their Chevy engines and they have been 
good quality.

                   So.....it is probably worth a try if you need a 
mechanical fuel pump with more capacity than the stock style Carter 
pump.  The price is $25 plus $8 shipping.  I took the plunge and bought 
one.


                                For what it is worth,  Chuck Engles


   ___________________________
 
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera and 351C mechanical fuel pumps
 
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                          Last year there were no 351C fuel pumps other 
than 
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the bare bones humble Carter stock units.  Holley had quit making their 
hipo 
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unit.   Summit, Jeg's and others did not sell them.   I don't think that 
I 
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could find one on a Google search.   Jack DeRyke has written in the 
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newsletter that the list of Cleveland parts that are no longer available 
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included: mechanical fuel pumps.
 
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                            Things seem to have changed.   I am 
currently 
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building another engine and I was looking for a mechanical unit that was 
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less than the full tilt $200 McPerformance pump that I bought for the 
last 
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engine.  This engine's power is notably less and unit more than stock 
and 
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less than full tilt was ideal.
 
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                         The usual searches showed nothing other than 
the 
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Carter unit and a "Spectre" Chinese knock off.
 
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                           Through the miracle of Google I found two 
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noteworthy items:
 
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1)       Jeg's now stocks a hipo fuel pump made, their tech line 
believes 
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,in Taiwan or China.   It bears a remarkable similarity to what I recall 
of 
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the Holley hipo unit.  Jeg's unit is about $46 and has a year's warranty 
and 
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can be returned if they actually sell you a Windsor unit.  Their website 
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does picture a *Windsor* pump and they said that the picture of the 
Windsor 
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pump is only "representative".  If you order and it ain't  a Cleveland 
then 
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you can return it at their cost and get a refund---they said.
 
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                                        Jegs part number 707-R2306
 
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2)        Ebay has about a dozen vendors of essentially the same pump 
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showing the same picture of either the Windsor or Cleveland pump.  The 
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prices range from $31 to $55.   Warranties are unknown.
 
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8PSI-140GPH-1009-C-/222067607020?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368
 
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3)      The Carter unit is $20 at Summit and Jeg's
 
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<http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP->

 
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<http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP->
                      So, the exact quality is uncertain, but there are 
more 
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP->
choices than the $20 Carter or the $200 McPerformance units.
 
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP->

 
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP->

 
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                                      Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
 
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    Dear Forum,

                     A bit more news for those eager for the up to the
   minute developments in maintaining a 351C original type fuel system.

                     One of the bigger and American Ebay vendors for the
   Taiwan hipo 351C fuel pump is a real business in Kingsport, Tennessee:
   White Racing Engines.   They have a real phone number and real people
   answer.  I called today for due diligence and spoke with Al.

                     He tells me that indeed the Ebay hipo Cleveland fuel
   pump used to be the Holley hipo fuel pump, which explains the
   similarity of the two.  He tells me that it is indeed made in China or
   Taiwan, but he doesn't know which one.  He tells me that he cannot say
   for sure that it is the same company that made them for Holley or if
   the company simply bought the Holley manufacturing stuff and began
   production.  He says that they first used them on their Chevy engines
   and they have been good quality.

                     So.....it is probably worth a try if you need a
   mechanical fuel pump with more capacity than the stock style Carter
   pump.  The price is $25 plus $8 shipping.  I took the plunge and bought
   one.

                                  For what it is worth,  Chuck Engles

     ___________________________

   From: "Charles Engles" < [1]cengles at cox.net>

   To: [2]detomaso at poca.com

   Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 4:43:46 PM

   Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera and 351C mechanical fuel pumps



   Dear Forum,











                            Last year there were no 351C fuel pumps other
   than

   the bare bones humble Carter stock units.  Holley had quit making their
   hipo

   unit.   Summit, Jeg's and others did not sell them.   I don't think
   that I

   could find one on a Google search.   Jack DeRyke has written in the

   newsletter that the list of Cleveland parts that are no longer
   available

   included: mechanical fuel pumps.











                              Things seem to have changed.   I am
   currently

   building another engine and I was looking for a mechanical unit that
   was

   less than the full tilt $200 McPerformance pump that I bought for the
   last

   engine.  This engine's power is notably less and unit more than stock
   and

   less than full tilt was ideal.







                           The usual searches showed nothing other than
   the

   Carter unit and a "Spectre" Chinese knock off.







                             Through the miracle of Google I found two

   noteworthy items:











   1)       Jeg's now stocks a hipo fuel pump made, their tech line
   believes

   ,in Taiwan or China.   It bears a remarkable similarity to what I
   recall of

   the Holley hipo unit.  Jeg's unit is about $46 and has a year's
   warranty and

   can be returned if they actually sell you a Windsor unit.  Their
   website

   does picture a *Windsor* pump and they said that the picture of the
   Windsor

   pump is only "representative".  If you order and it ain't  a Cleveland
   then

   you can return it at their cost and get a refund---they said.



                                          Jegs part number 707-R2306







   2)        Ebay has about a dozen vendors of essentially the same pump

   showing the same picture of either the Windsor or Cleveland pump.  The

   prices range from $31 to $55.   Warranties are unknown.









   [3]http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FU
   EL-PUMP-

   8PSI-140GPH-1009-C-/222067607020?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368











   3)      The Carter unit is $20 at Summit and Jeg's











                        So, the exact quality is uncertain, but there are
   more

   choices than the $20 Carter or the $200 McPerformance units.











                                        Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles











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  59. file://localhost/tmp/JAVASCRIPT-BLOCKEDparent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')
  60. file://localhost/tmp/JAVASCRIPT-BLOCKEDparent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')
  61. file://localhost/tmp/JAVASCRIPT-BLOCKEDparent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')
  62. file://localhost/tmp/JAVASCRIPT-BLOCKEDparent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')
  63. file://localhost/tmp/JAVASCRIPT-BLOCKEDparent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')
  64. file://localhost/tmp/JAVASCRIPT-BLOCKEDparent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')
  65. file://localhost/tmp/JAVASCRIPT-BLOCKEDparent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')
  66. file://localhost/tmp/JAVASCRIPT-BLOCKEDparent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')
  67. file://localhost/tmp/JAVASCRIPT-BLOCKEDparent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso at poca.com')
  68. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP-
  69. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP-
  70. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP-
  71. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP-
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  73. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP-
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  76. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP-
  77. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP-
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  79. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP-
  80. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP-
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  85. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP-
  86. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP-
  87. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP-
  88. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP-
  89. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP-
  90. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP-
  91. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP-
  92. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP-
  93. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP-
  94. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP-
  95. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP-
  96. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP-
  97. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP-
  98. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-351C-351M-400-HIGH-VOLUME-MECHANICAL-FUEL-PUMP-
  99. file://localhost/tmp/JAVASCRIPT-BLOCKEDparent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('DeTomaso at poca.com')
 100. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 101. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 102. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 103. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 104. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 105. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
 106. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com


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