[DeTomaso] 5.4 conversion on BaT

Paul Rimov rimovp at gmail.com
Sun Apr 3 12:47:36 EDT 2016 

I second Michaels thoughts of the collector market that is driving the cost up values cars with either their original Cleveland or a replacement Cleveland. The numbers matching thing that has driven Corvette owners bonkers has not influenced the Pantera very much,,yet. The less modified the better has however. 

Cheers 

Paul 
On Apr 2, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:

>   IMHO, and proven by auctions over the last few years, buyers and
>   collectors both want a Pantera with the original 351 Cleveland , next
>   in value would be one with a replacement Cleveland, Third might be a
>   Clevor, Four the Windsor and Fifth, anything else.
>   You can build a Cleveland unstressed and still get 330 hp, which is
>   plenty to push a 3100 car around.
>   If you want to protect your investment, stay with a Cleveland.
> 
>   Michael Shortt
> 
>   On Apr 3, 2016 12:19 AM, "Cristiano Rossi via DeTomaso"
>   <[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> 
>     A  A Sorry for this late comment to the thread but I have been on
>     holidays.
>     A  A Does a 351w engine also reduce the value? It is after all still
>     a 351
>     A  A in cast iron with the right sound and looks.
>     A  A I am considering to switch to a 351 HO SVO if they are still
>     available
>     A  A as new.
>     A  A Cristiano Rossi
>     A  A thpnma 02869
>     A  A
>     A __________________________________________________________________
>     A  A Fra: Michael Shortt <[2]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>     A  A Til: Will Kooiman <[3]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
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>     A  A Sendt: 5:46 fredag den 25. marts 2016
>     A  A Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] 5.4 conversion on BaT
>     A  A  A Collectors do not want alternate engines.
>     A  A  A Those are the folks driving the price increases.
>     A  A  A 50K is dirt cheap for a semi ratty unmolested Pantera, this
>     one
>     A  A wasn't
>     A  A  A ratty, but it was far from original...No Sale.
>     A  A  A Michael Shortt
>     A  A  A On Mar 25, 2016 12:31 AM, "Will Kooiman"
>     A  A <[1][1][6]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>     A  A  A wrote:
>     A  A  A  A $73K in receipts to a no-sale at $50K.
>     A  A  A  A I donA^1t see $73K in work done, but I see at least $20K
>     remaining
>     A  A  A  A to make
>     A  A  A  A it really nice.
>     A  A  A  A On 3/24/16, 7:32 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Thomas"
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