[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 135, Issue 24

cengles at cox.net cengles at cox.net
Wed Sep 23 09:37:08 EDT 2015


Dear Owen,


              The internal slave cylinder was a hot set up in the early 
nineties.   Time has proven that it is problematic and it has become 
less and less common.  Pantera Performance Center no longer sells them, 
I understand.  I do not have one.  I understand that a lot of early 
adopters have converted back to the original design.  I have heard of 
one stalwart who advocates them, but only if everything is perfect. 
Most people are not as determined as he is.

               I understand that the method to adjust and fiddle with 
the internal slave cylinder is simple, but a pain in the ass:  remove 
the ZF for access to the internal slave; adjust and then re install.   I 
think that is the most common decision point for owners to remove it and 
go back to stock external slave cylinders.

             Hopefully, somebody with actual experience will advise you 
if a more attractive adjustment method exists.


                            Warmest regards, Chuck Engles





On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 5:23 AM, Owen Cooke wrote:

> Guys
>
> can you help with some information
>
> i just bought a 1972  pantera and the clutch slave cylinder is inside 
> the bell housing
> i have never seen such an arrangement before and all the photos i see 
> clearly show the slave cyl  on the right side of the bell housing- not 
> mine
> So how can you adjust clearance etc on this
> the flexihose for fluid goes in on the right and a bleed niple is on 
> the left side ???
>
> owen cooke dublin  ireland
>
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>>     1. Re: New POCA Chapter (marshall smith)
>>     2. Fiero seats in a Pantera (Bob Radefeld)
>>     3. Re: Fiero seats in a Pantera (Larry - Ohio Time)
>>     4. Re: Fiero seats in a Pantera (Jeff Detrich)
>>     5. Re: Fiero seats in a Pantera (Michael Shortt)
>>     6. Re: Fiero seats in a Pantera (Douglas Kelm)
>>     7. Re: Fiero seats in a Pantera (LS)
>>     8. Re: Fiero seats in a Pantera (Himes, Terry (397C))
>>     9. Re: Fiero seats in a Pantera (Michael Shortt)
>>    10. Re: Fiero seats in a Pantera (Jeff Detrich)
>>    11. Re: Fiero seats in a Pantera (Douglas Kelm)
>>    12. NPC (Paul Timko)
>>    13. Re: Fiero seats in a Pantera (Jim Gray)
>>    14. Marvic Wheel 10x15 Campi Update (Ed Mendez)
>>    15. Alternate possibilities to the Pantera (The DeTomaso Registry 
>> Guy)
>>    16. Re: Alternate possibilities to the Pantera (Paul Timko)
>>    17. Re: Alternate possibilities to the Pantera (Will Kooiman)
>>    18. Re: Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>>        (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
>>    19. Re: Alternate possibilities to the Pantera (Himes, Terry 
>> (397C))
>>    20. Re: Alternate possibilities to the Pantera (Rob Dumoulin)
>>    21. Re: Alternate possibilities to the Pantera (Mike Drew)
>>    22. Re: Alternate possibilities to the Pantera (Ken Green)
>>    23. Re: Alternate possibilities to the Pantera (Julian Kift)
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>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 13:13:35 -0700
>> From: marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: detomaso at poca.com, Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New POCA Chapter
>> Message-ID:
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> Hey Michael,
>>
>> Congrats and kudos to you for starting a new chapter!! The popularity 
>> of our cars and our national chapter has been waning in the last few 
>> years. Thank goodness our cars have doubled in value AND there are 
>> still people like you willing to start new clubs and keep the 
>> interest in our cars from dying. I truly hope that you have not 
>> received allegations of starting a turf war. My goodness....we all 
>> graduated from junior high school a long time ago!
>>
>> Keep up the great work Michael with you new chapter!!
>>
>> Marshall Smith
>> President, San Diego Panteras
>>
>>     --------------------------------------------
>> On Sat, 9/19/15, Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>   Subject: [DeTomaso] New POCA Chapter
>>   To: detomaso at poca.com
>>   Date: Saturday, September 19, 2015, 3:22 PM
>>     ???> Greetings to
>>   All ,
>>   ???>
>>   ???> I am getting emails, texts, telephone
>>   calls, etc. regarding my
>>   ???efforts to form a new POCA chapter.
>>   ???> Efforts which were started many years
>>   ago and finally just recently
>>   ???blessed by POCA,A? long before
>>   efforts were made to resurrect the
>>   ???former dormant -ish Southeast Panteras
>>   Chapter.
>>   ???> As with all things seemingly
>>   unplanned, it seems that my efforts and
>>   ???those of Southeast Pantera hit their
>>   respective stride at about the
>>   ???same time.
>>   ???> Let me categorically state that I
>>   have no interest in some kind of
>>   ???turf war ( as has been rumored ) or
>>   contest to sign up members.
>>   ???> I also have no interest in Florida at
>>   all, it is simply too far away
>>   ???to be conducive
>>   ???> IMHO to attract active participation
>>   from the membership I am
>>   ???seeking.
>>   ???>
>>   ???> i.e. My home to Miami is over 500
>>   miles away / 8 hours of driving at
>>   ???normal speeds.
>>   ???>
>>   ???> I live in Savannah, Georgia and the
>>   proposed moniker of our chapter
>>   ???is Southern States Panteras. My primary
>>   target area for membership is
>>   ???Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina,
>>   Alabama and Eastern Tennessee.
>>   ???> All of which is within a 6 hour
>>   circle of influence and contains more
>>   ???active racetracks that I can count, the
>>   incredible Great Smokey Mtns
>>   ???and of course all things NASCAR plus a
>>   great many concourse events,
>>   ???shows and loads of tech points of
>>   interest.
>>   ???> We have no desire to be a sit in
>>   folding chairs while bench racing
>>   ???and polishing crowd.
>>   ???> As the founder of the twice run
>>   Detomaso Pantera Summer Summit, I
>>   ???have already put together Pantera related
>>   rallys. Additionally I am a
>>   ???former SCCA CSR champion, driving
>>   instructor and board member. I
>>   ???currently teach/coach with HPDE group
>>   Hooked on Driving at various SE
>>   ???tracks.
>>   ???>
>>   ???> My plan for Southern States
>>   ???> involves a smattering of concourse
>>   meetings, mtn rallys, Track days,
>>   ???tech visits to cool shops, and plain old
>>   ???> Get togethers throughout the year.
>>   ???>
>>   ???> I forsee a friendly, reciprocal and
>>   supportive relationship
>>   ???> With Southeast Pantera. I would hope
>>   that their members would attend
>>   ???our events and that they will extend
>>   invitations to our membership to
>>   ???their events ( as they already have to me
>>   to attend the Lake Mirror
>>   ???Classic).
>>   ???>
>>   ???> We are seeking POCA members living in
>>   GA, SC, NC, AL, and TN to
>>   ???affiliate with Southern States, all they
>>   have to do is notify Judy at
>>   ???POCA and its a done deal.
>>   ???>
>>   ???> I hope this puts to rest any kind of
>>   competition BS, there is none. I
>>   ???fully support the efforts of SE Panteras
>>   ???> And hope they support ours.
>>   ???>
>>   ???> It is simply a matter of geography
>>   and trying to involve as many
>>   ???active participants as possible for both
>>   groups.
>>   ???> Two is better than one.
>>   ???>
>>   ???> Thank you,
>>   ???>
>>   ???> Michael Shortt
>>   ???> Founding Chairman
>>   ???> Southern States Panteras.
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 16:17:33 -0500
>> From: Bob Radefeld <bob at radefeld.com>
>> To: "detomaso at poca com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<CA+4z8QCsapq9iBVado5SFmr_2m_XQvC80pXo-aH42Q9Z=8TTiw at mail.gmail.com>
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>>
>> Hello fellow Forum members,
>>
>> Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I actually have a
>> question that has not already been discussed recently on the Forum. I 
>> know
>> that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your car & I would 
>> really
>> like to get some information on how you accomplished this & how well 
>> you
>> like them compared to the stock seats. If any of you could share your
>> experience with me in this endeavor it would be greatly appreciated. 
>> I'm
>> planning on possibly doing this as a winter project this year when 
>> the snow
>> starts flying here in Kansas. THANKS for any in site that any of you 
>> are
>> willing to share with me! :o))
>>
>> Bob Radefeld   #5042
>> Topeka, Ks.
>> bob at radefeld.com
>> 785-478-9360  (cell)
>> -------------- next part --------------
>>     Hello fellow Forum members,
>>     Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I actually have 
>> a
>>     question that has not already been discussed recently on the 
>> Forum. I
>>     know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your car & I 
>> would
>>     really like to get some information on how you accomplished this 
>> & how
>>     well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of you 
>> could
>>     share your experience with me in this endeavor it would be 
>> greatly
>>     appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a winter 
>> project
>>     this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas. THANKS for 
>> any in
>>     site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>>     Bob Radefeld A  #5042A
>>     Topeka, Ks.
>>     [1]bob at radefeld.com
>>     [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>>
>> References
>>
>>     1. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>>     2. tel:785-478-9360
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 17:43:01 -0400
>> From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
>> To: "'Bob Radefeld'" <bob at radefeld.com>,	"'detomaso at poca com'"
>> 	<detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> Message-ID: <00152EE3D7FA473BA375E767492423DE at LarryHPPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Bob my friend,
>>
>> I do have some Fiero seats for sale if you are interested.
>>
>> I hope you are well!!
>>
>> Larry (need re-covering) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bob 
>> Radefeld
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:18 PM
>> To: detomaso at poca com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>>
>> Hello fellow Forum members,
>>
>> Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I actually have a
>> question that has not already been discussed recently on the Forum. I 
>> know
>> that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your car & I would 
>> really
>> like to get some information on how you accomplished this & how well 
>> you
>> like them compared to the stock seats. If any of you could share your
>> experience with me in this endeavor it would be greatly appreciated. 
>> I'm
>> planning on possibly doing this as a winter project this year when 
>> the snow
>> starts flying here in Kansas. THANKS for any in site that any of you 
>> are
>> willing to share with me! :o))
>>
>> Bob Radefeld   #5042
>> Topeka, Ks.
>> bob at radefeld.com
>> 785-478-9360  (cell)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 18:04:20 -0500
>> From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>> To: Bob Radefeld <bob at radefeld.com>
>> Cc: "detomaso at poca com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<CANX29aW7k75upgEXcND9obmuRRweQ4fUZiZx2AZOtHwN0Jg-pg at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Fiero Seats look like this, pics 1-2. The fiero rails do not match up 
>> with
>> the pantera rails as attached to the floor pan. The Pantera rails are
>> better. You need to build a spacer that moves the attach point for 
>> the
>> fiero seats to the attach point for mounted Pantera rails. See pics 
>> 3-4.
>> Right and left seats are different. Take your time measuring and 
>> fitting to
>> get it right.
>>
>> People sometimes buy the earlier seats with the speakers in the 
>> headrest.
>> They aren't very effective IMHO.
>>
>> They fiero seats are a little higher than Pantera seats. Make sure 
>> you fit.
>> You can pull off a little of the foam in the center of the seat but 
>> it
>> won't buy you muck more space.
>>
>> I also had to remove a lot of the foam from the bottom of the seat to 
>> get
>> them to slide over the carpet.
>>
>> Mr. Mikes makes leather seat covers and they can embroider the logo 
>> in them.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> Jeff
>> 6559
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Bob Radefeld <bob at radefeld.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>     Hello fellow Forum members,
>>>     Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I actually 
>>> have a
>>>     question that has not already been discussed recently on the 
>>> Forum. I
>>>     know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your car & I 
>>> would
>>>     really like to get some information on how you accomplished this 
>>> & how
>>>     well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of you 
>>> could
>>>     share your experience with me in this endeavor it would be 
>>> greatly
>>>     appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a winter 
>>> project
>>>     this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas. THANKS for 
>>> any in
>>>     site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>>>     Bob Radefeld A  #5042A
>>>     Topeka, Ks.
>>>     [1]bob at radefeld.com
>>>     [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>>     1. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>>>     2. tel:785-478-9360
>>>
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>> -------------- next part --------------
>>     Fiero Seats look like this, pics 1-2. The fiero rails do not 
>> match up
>>     with the pantera rails as attached to the floor pan. The Pantera 
>> rails
>>     are better. You need to build a spacer that moves the attach 
>> point for
>>     the fiero seats to the attach point for mounted Pantera rails. 
>> See pics
>>     3-4. Right and left seats are different. Take your time measuring 
>> and
>>     fitting to get it right.
>>     People sometimes buy the earlier seats with the speakers in the
>>     headrest. They aren't very effective IMHO.A
>>     They fiero seats are a little higher than Pantera seats. Make 
>> sure you
>>     fit. You can pull off a little of the foam in the center of the 
>> seat
>>     but it won't buy you muck more space.
>>     I also had to remove a lot of the foam from the bottom of the 
>> seat to
>>     get them to slide over the carpet.
>>     Mr. Mikes makes leather seat covers and they can embroider the 
>> logo in
>>     them.
>>     Good luck.
>>     Jeff
>>     6559
>>
>>     On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Bob Radefeld 
>> <[1]bob at radefeld.com>
>>     wrote:
>>
>>       A  A Hello fellow Forum members,
>>       A  A Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I 
>> actually
>>       have a
>>       A  A question that has not already been discussed recently on 
>> the
>>       Forum. I
>>       A  A know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your 
>> car &
>>       I would
>>       A  A really like to get some information on how you 
>> accomplished
>>       this & how
>>       A  A well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of 
>> you
>>       could
>>       A  A share your experience with me in this endeavor it would be
>>       greatly
>>       A  A appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a 
>> winter
>>       project
>>       A  A this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas. 
>> THANKS
>>       for any in
>>       A  A site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>>       A  A Bob Radefeld AA  #5042A
>>       A  A Topeka, Ks.
>>       A  A [1][2]bob at radefeld.com
>>       A  A [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>>       References
>>       A  A 1. mailto:[3]bob at radefeld.com
>>       A  A 2. tel:785-478-9360
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 19:13:10 -0400
>> From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>> To: bob Radefeld <bob at radefeld.com>
>> Cc: "detomaso at poca com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<CAEWtxWqmLh3rgm1K=aVs2z=zTiGr9awxao0t7zAcBjv6OO3c=g at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> My seats ( made by Gary Herrig ) are from a C4 Corvette, a lot more
>> plentiful than Fire seats with lots of aftermarket seat cover 
>> options.
>>
>> Michael Shortt
>> On Sep 21, 2015 5:17 PM, "Bob Radefeld" <bob at radefeld.com> wrote:
>>
>>>     Hello fellow Forum members,
>>>     Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I actually 
>>> have a
>>>     question that has not already been discussed recently on the 
>>> Forum. I
>>>     know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your car & I 
>>> would
>>>     really like to get some information on how you accomplished this 
>>> & how
>>>     well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of you 
>>> could
>>>     share your experience with me in this endeavor it would be 
>>> greatly
>>>     appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a winter 
>>> project
>>>     this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas. THANKS for 
>>> any in
>>>     site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>>>     Bob Radefeld A  #5042A
>>>     Topeka, Ks.
>>>     [1]bob at radefeld.com
>>>     [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>>     1. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>>>     2. tel:785-478-9360
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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>> -------------- next part --------------
>>     Bob,
>>
>>     My seats ( made by Gary Herrig ) are from a C4 Corvette, a lot 
>> more
>>     plentiful than Fire seats with lots of aftermarket seat cover 
>> options.
>>
>>     Michael Shortt
>>
>>     On Sep 21, 2015 5:17 PM, "Bob Radefeld" <[1]bob at radefeld.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>       A  A Hello fellow Forum members,
>>       A  A Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I 
>> actually
>>       have a
>>       A  A question that has not already been discussed recently on 
>> the
>>       Forum. I
>>       A  A know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your 
>> car &
>>       I would
>>       A  A really like to get some information on how you 
>> accomplished
>>       this & how
>>       A  A well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of 
>> you
>>       could
>>       A  A share your experience with me in this endeavor it would be
>>       greatly
>>       A  A appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a 
>> winter
>>       project
>>       A  A this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas. 
>> THANKS
>>       for any in
>>       A  A site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>>       A  A Bob Radefeld AA  #5042A
>>       A  A Topeka, Ks.
>>       A  A [1][2]bob at radefeld.com
>>       A  A [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>>       References
>>       A  A 1. mailto:[3]bob at radefeld.com
>>       A  A 2. tel:[4]785-478-9360
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 18:41:29 -0500
>> From: "Douglas Kelm" <dakelm at qwest.net>
>> To: "'Jeff Detrich'" <jjdetrich at gmail.com>, "'Bob Radefeld'"
>> 	<bob at radefeld.com>
>> Cc: "'detomaso at poca com'" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> Message-ID: <00e901d0f4c7$0a0ce1b0$1e26a510$@net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/dakelm/albums/72157619124819022
>>
>> These are MrMikes covered Fiero seats that I was going to put in my 
>> car (since sold), but discovered (too late) that I was too tall! You 
>> lose 2 3/8" of head room over the stock seats, so take that into 
>> account. These seats were in near mint condition prior to recovering 
>> and have only been trial fitted in a car - like new condition. They 
>> come with custom fabricated adapter bars which will bolt directly to 
>> stock sliders - plug and play. They also have the speakers in the 
>> headrests (first two years of Fiero production only) and come with 
>> the pigtail connectors. Boxed and ready to ship. If interested, email 
>> me directly at:  dakelm at qwest.net  Fiero seats were made for Pontiac 
>> by the Lear Corp (the jet people) and are excellently constructed.
>>
>> Doug Kelm
>> Minneapolis, MN
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Jeff 
>> Detrich
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:04 PM
>> To: Bob Radefeld
>> Cc: detomaso at poca com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>>
>> Fiero Seats look like this, pics 1-2. The fiero rails do not match up 
>> with the pantera rails as attached to the floor pan. The Pantera 
>> rails are better. You need to build a spacer that moves the attach 
>> point for the fiero seats to the attach point for mounted Pantera 
>> rails. See pics 3-4.
>> Right and left seats are different. Take your time measuring and 
>> fitting to get it right.
>>
>> People sometimes buy the earlier seats with the speakers in the 
>> headrest.
>> They aren't very effective IMHO.
>>
>> They fiero seats are a little higher than Pantera seats. Make sure 
>> you fit.
>> You can pull off a little of the foam in the center of the seat but 
>> it won't buy you muck more space.
>>
>> I also had to remove a lot of the foam from the bottom of the seat to 
>> get them to slide over the carpet.
>>
>> Mr. Mikes makes leather seat covers and they can embroider the logo 
>> in them.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> Jeff
>> 6559
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Bob Radefeld <bob at radefeld.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>     Hello fellow Forum members,
>>>     Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I actually 
>>> have a
>>>     question that has not already been discussed recently on the 
>>> Forum. I
>>>     know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your car & I 
>>> would
>>>     really like to get some information on how you accomplished this 
>>> & how
>>>     well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of you 
>>> could
>>>     share your experience with me in this endeavor it would be 
>>> greatly
>>>     appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a winter 
>>> project
>>>     this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas. THANKS for 
>>> any in
>>>     site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>>>     Bob Radefeld A  #5042A
>>>     Topeka, Ks.
>>>     [1]bob at radefeld.com
>>>     [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>>     1. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>>>     2. tel:785-478-9360
>>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 23:49:23 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
>> To: Douglas Kelm <dakelm at qwest.net>, 'Jeff Detrich'
>> 	<jjdetrich at gmail.com>, 	'Bob Radefeld' <bob at radefeld.com>
>> Cc: "'detomaso at poca com'" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<333693134.1234844.1442879363415.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Fiero or Corvette seats??
>> Please tell me why you wouldn't just install a set of Italian made 
>> Momo (also an original OEM supplier) seats?
>> They are superbly built and don't look like...well, seats out of a 
>> Pontiac.
>> LS
>> ?
>>
>>
>> central wines-spirits?? est 1934
>>
>> 625 e street nw
>> washington, dc 20004
>> centralwines.com
>>
>> facebook.com/CentralLiquors
>>
>> 202-737-2800
>>
>>
>>        From: Douglas Kelm <dakelm at qwest.net>
>>   To: 'Jeff Detrich' <jjdetrich at gmail.com>; 'Bob Radefeld' 
>> <bob at radefeld.com>
>> Cc: "'detomaso at poca com'" <detomaso at poca.com>
>>   Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:41 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>>     https://www.flickr.com/photos/dakelm/albums/72157619124819022
>>
>> These are MrMikes covered Fiero seats that I was going to put in my 
>> car (since sold), but discovered (too late) that I was too tall! You 
>> lose 2 3/8" of head room over the stock seats, so take that into 
>> account. These seats were in near mint condition prior to recovering 
>> and have only been trial fitted in a car - like new condition. They 
>> come with custom fabricated adapter bars which will bolt directly to 
>> stock sliders - plug and play. They also have the speakers in the 
>> headrests (first two years of Fiero production only) and come with 
>> the pigtail connectors. Boxed and ready to ship. If interested, email 
>> me directly at:? dakelm at qwest.net? Fiero seats were made for Pontiac 
>> by the Lear Corp (the jet people) and are excellently constructed.
>>
>> Doug Kelm
>> Minneapolis, MN
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Jeff 
>> Detrich
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:04 PM
>> To: Bob Radefeld
>> Cc: detomaso at poca com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>>
>> Fiero Seats look like this, pics 1-2. The fiero rails do not match up 
>> with the pantera rails as attached to the floor pan. The Pantera 
>> rails are better. You need to build a spacer that moves the attach 
>> point for the fiero seats to the attach point for mounted Pantera 
>> rails. See pics 3-4.
>> Right and left seats are different. Take your time measuring and 
>> fitting to get it right.
>>
>> People sometimes buy the earlier seats with the speakers in the 
>> headrest.
>> They aren't very effective IMHO.
>>
>> They fiero seats are a little higher than Pantera seats. Make sure 
>> you fit.
>> You can pull off a little of the foam in the center of the seat but 
>> it won't buy you muck more space.
>>
>> I also had to remove a lot of the foam from the bottom of the seat to 
>> get them to slide over the carpet.
>>
>> Mr. Mikes makes leather seat covers and they can embroider the logo 
>> in them.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> Jeff
>> 6559
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Bob Radefeld <bob at radefeld.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ? ? Hello fellow Forum members,
>>> ? ? Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I actually 
>>> have a
>>> ? ? question that has not already been discussed recently on the 
>>> Forum. I
>>> ? ? know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your car & I 
>>> would
>>> ? ? really like to get some information on how you accomplished this 
>>> & how
>>> ? ? well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of you 
>>> could
>>> ? ? share your experience with me in this endeavor it would be 
>>> greatly
>>> ? ? appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a winter 
>>> project
>>> ? ? this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas. THANKS for 
>>> any in
>>> ? ? site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>>> ? ? Bob Radefeld A? #5042A
>>
>>> ? ? Topeka, Ks.
>>> ? ? [1]bob at radefeld.com
>>> ? ? [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> ? ? 1. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>>> ? ? 2. tel:785-478-9360
>>>
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>>    -------------- next part --------------
>>     Fiero or Corvette seats??
>>     Please tell me why you wouldn't just install a set of Italian 
>> made Momo
>>     (also an original OEM supplier) seats?
>>     They are superbly built and don't look like...well, seats out of 
>> a
>>     Pontiac.
>>     LS
>>
>>     central
>>     wines-spirits   est 1934
>>     625 e street nw
>>     washington, dc 20004
>>     [1]centralwines.com
>>     [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors
>>     202-737-2800
>> 
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>>     From: Douglas Kelm <dakelm at qwest.net>
>>     To: 'Jeff Detrich' <jjdetrich at gmail.com>; 'Bob Radefeld'
>>     <bob at radefeld.com>
>>     Cc: "'detomaso at poca com'" <detomaso at poca.com>
>>     Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:41 PM
>>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>>     [3]https://www.flickr.com/photos/dakelm/albums/72157619124819022
>>     These are MrMikes covered Fiero seats that I was going to put in 
>> my car
>>     (since sold), but discovered (too late) that I was too tall! You 
>> lose 2
>>     3/8" of head room over the stock seats, so take that into 
>> account.
>>     These seats were in near mint condition prior to recovering and 
>> have
>>     only been trial fitted in a car - like new condition. They come 
>> with
>>     custom fabricated adapter bars which will bolt directly to stock
>>     sliders - plug and play. They also have the speakers in the 
>> headrests
>>     (first two years of Fiero production only) and come with the 
>> pigtail
>>     connectors. Boxed and ready to ship. If interested, email me 
>> directly
>>     at:  [4]dakelm at qwest.net  Fiero seats were made for Pontiac by 
>> the Lear
>>     Corp (the jet people) and are excellently constructed.
>>     Doug Kelm
>>     Minneapolis, MN
>>     -----Original Message-----
>>     From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Jeff
>>     Detrich
>>     Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:04 PM
>>     To: Bob Radefeld
>>     Cc: [6]detomaso at poca com
>>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>>     Fiero Seats look like this, pics 1-2. The fiero rails do not 
>> match up
>>     with the pantera rails as attached to the floor pan. The Pantera 
>> rails
>>     are better. You need to build a spacer that moves the attach 
>> point for
>>     the fiero seats to the attach point for mounted Pantera rails. 
>> See pics
>>     3-4.
>>     Right and left seats are different. Take your time measuring and
>>     fitting to get it right.
>>     People sometimes buy the earlier seats with the speakers in the
>>     headrest.
>>     They aren't very effective IMHO.
>>     They fiero seats are a little higher than Pantera seats. Make 
>> sure you
>>     fit.
>>     You can pull off a little of the foam in the center of the seat 
>> but it
>>     won't buy you muck more space.
>>     I also had to remove a lot of the foam from the bottom of the 
>> seat to
>>     get them to slide over the carpet.
>>     Mr. Mikes makes leather seat covers and they can embroider the 
>> logo in
>>     them.
>>     Good luck.
>>     Jeff
>>     6559
>>     On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Bob Radefeld 
>> <[7]bob at radefeld.com>
>>     wrote:
>>>    Hello fellow Forum members,
>>>    Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I actually have
>>     a
>>>    question that has not already been discussed recently on the
>>     Forum. I
>>>    know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your car & I
>>     would
>>>    really like to get some information on how you accomplished this 
>>> &
>>     how
>>>    well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of you
>>     could
>>>    share your experience with me in this endeavor it would be 
>>> greatly
>>>    appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a winter
>>     project
>>>    this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas. THANKS for
>>     any in
>>>    site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>>>    Bob Radefeld A  #5042A
>>>    Topeka, Ks.
>>>    [1][8]bob at radefeld.com
>>>    [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>>    1. mailto:[9]bob at radefeld.com
>>>    2. tel:785-478-9360
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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>> References
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>>     1. http://centralwines.com/
>>     2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors
>>     3. https://www.flickr.com/photos/dakelm/albums/72157619124819022
>>     4. mailto:dakelm at qwest.net
>>     5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>     6. mailto:detomaso at poca
>>     7. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>>     8. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>>     9. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>>    10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>    11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 23:50:22 +0000
>> From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>> To: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>, bob Radefeld
>> 	<bob at radefeld.com>
>> Cc: "detomaso at poca com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> Message-ID: <D225E56C.7E568%thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> I also have those.  They lined up well and used the Pantera rails I 
>> believe.  Mine are all black.
>>
>> More than willing to sell them.
>>
>>
>> "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
>>    exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
>>    to contact us!"
>>
>> Terry W. Himes
>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>> InSight Sequence Team Lead
>> Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
>> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>> Cell:     (818) 653-8213
>> Fax:     (818) 393-3147
>> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>> ??
>>
>> From: DeTomaso 
>> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on 
>> behalf of Michael Shortt 
>> <michaelsavga at gmail.com<mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com>>
>> Date: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:13 PM
>> To: bob Radefeld <bob at radefeld.com<mailto:bob at radefeld.com>>
>> Cc: POCA <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> My seats ( made by Gary Herrig ) are from a C4 Corvette, a lot more
>> plentiful than Fire seats with lots of aftermarket seat cover 
>> options.
>>
>> Michael Shortt
>> On Sep 21, 2015 5:17 PM, "Bob Radefeld" 
>> <bob at radefeld.com<mailto:bob at radefeld.com>> wrote:
>>
>>      Hello fellow Forum members,
>>      Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I actually 
>> have a
>>      question that has not already been discussed recently on the 
>> Forum. I
>>      know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your car & I 
>> would
>>      really like to get some information on how you accomplished this 
>> & how
>>      well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of you 
>> could
>>      share your experience with me in this endeavor it would be 
>> greatly
>>      appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a winter 
>> project
>>      this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas. THANKS for 
>> any in
>>      site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>>      Bob Radefeld A  #5042A
>>      Topeka, Ks.
>>      [1]bob at radefeld.com<mailto:bob at radefeld.com>
>>      [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>>
>> References
>>
>>      1. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>>      2. tel:785-478-9360
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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>>     I also have those.  They lined up well and used the Pantera rails 
>> I
>>     believe.  Mine are all black.
>>     More than willing to sell them.
>>
>>     "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
>>
>>       exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
>>
>>       to contact us!"
>>
>>     Terry W. Himes
>>
>>     JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>>
>>     InSight Sequence Team Lead
>>
>>     Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
>>
>>     Phone: (818) 393-6261
>>
>>     Cell:     (818) 653-8213
>>
>>     Fax:     (818) 393-3147
>>
>>     [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>>
>>     From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of 
>> Michael
>>     Shortt <[3]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>     Date: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:13 PM
>>     To: bob Radefeld <[4]bob at radefeld.com>
>>     Cc: POCA <[5]detomaso at poca.com>
>>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>>
>>     Bob,
>>     My seats ( made by Gary Herrig ) are from a C4 Corvette, a lot 
>> more
>>     plentiful than Fire seats with lots of aftermarket seat cover 
>> options.
>>     Michael Shortt
>>     On Sep 21, 2015 5:17 PM, "Bob Radefeld" <[6]bob at radefeld.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>         Hello fellow Forum members,
>>
>>         Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I actually 
>> have a
>>
>>         question that has not already been discussed recently on the 
>> Forum.
>>     I
>>
>>         know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your car 
>> & I
>>     would
>>
>>         really like to get some information on how you accomplished 
>> this &
>>     how
>>
>>         well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of you 
>> could
>>
>>         share your experience with me in this endeavor it would be 
>> greatly
>>
>>         appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a winter
>>     project
>>
>>         this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas. THANKS 
>> for
>>     any in
>>
>>         site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>>
>>         Bob Radefeld A  #5042A
>>
>>         Topeka, Ks.
>>
>>         [1][7]bob at radefeld.com
>>
>>         [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>>
>>     References
>>
>>         1. [8]mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>>
>>         2. tel:785-478-9360
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 19:53:27 -0400
>> From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>> To: "Terry Himes (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com, bob Radefeld <bob at radefeld.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<CAEWtxWpffKntXKiN8pzSLGUzBYF8i5RaLAy51zkaBDubH2u9Jg at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> In my case, I have more torso than legs, even the stock seats are too 
>> tall
>> for me, Esp with a helmet.
>> The C4 seat with the spring removed is about as low as you can get 
>> without
>> cutting the floorplan.
>>
>> Michael
>> On Sep 21, 2015 7:50 PM, "Himes, Terry (397C)" 
>> <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I also have those.  They lined up well and used the Pantera rails I
>>> believe.  Mine are all black.
>>>
>>> More than willing to sell them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life *
>>>
>>> *  exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried*
>>>
>>> *  to contact us!"*
>>>
>>>
>>> *Terry W. Himes *
>>>
>>> *JPL** Jet Propulsion Laboratory*
>>>
>>> *InSight Sequence Team Lead*
>>>
>>> *Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead*
>>>
>>> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>>>
>>> Cell:     (818) 653-8213
>>>
>>> Fax:     (818) 393-3147
>>>
>>> *thimes at jpl.nasa.gov <thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>*
>>>
>>> ??
>>>
>>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Michael 
>>> Shortt <
>>> michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:13 PM
>>> To: bob Radefeld <bob at radefeld.com>
>>> Cc: POCA <detomaso at poca.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>>>
>>> Bob,
>>>
>>> My seats ( made by Gary Herrig ) are from a C4 Corvette, a lot more
>>> plentiful than Fire seats with lots of aftermarket seat cover 
>>> options.
>>>
>>> Michael Shortt
>>> On Sep 21, 2015 5:17 PM, "Bob Radefeld" <bob at radefeld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>      Hello fellow Forum members,
>>>      Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I actually 
>>> have a
>>>      question that has not already been discussed recently on the 
>>> Forum. I
>>>      know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your car & 
>>> I would
>>>      really like to get some information on how you accomplished 
>>> this & how
>>>      well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of you 
>>> could
>>>      share your experience with me in this endeavor it would be 
>>> greatly
>>>      appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a winter 
>>> project
>>>      this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas. THANKS 
>>> for any in
>>>      site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>>>      Bob Radefeld A  #5042A
>>>      Topeka, Ks.
>>>      [1]bob at radefeld.com
>>>      [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>>      1. mailto:bob at radefeld.com <bob at radefeld.com>
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>> -------------- next part --------------
>>     In my case, I have more torso than legs, even the stock seats are 
>> too
>>     tall for me, Esp with a helmet.
>>     The C4 seat with the spring removed is about as low as you can 
>> get
>>     without cutting the floorplan.
>>
>>     Michael
>>
>>     On Sep 21, 2015 7:50 PM, "Himes, Terry (397C)"
>>     <[1]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>
>>     I also have those.A  They lined up well and used the Pantera 
>> rails I
>>     believe.A  Mine are all black.
>>     More than willing to sell them.
>>
>>     "SometimesA IA think the surest signs that intelligent lifeA
>>
>>     A  exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
>>
>>     A  to contact us!"
>>
>>     Terry W. HimesA
>>
>>     JPLA Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>>
>>     InSight Sequence Team Lead
>>
>>     Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
>>
>>     Phone: [2](818) 393-6261
>>
>>     Cell:A A A A  [3](818) 653-8213
>>
>>     Fax:A A A A  [4](818) 393-3147
>>
>>     [5]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>>
>>     d--od-,
>>     From: DeTomaso <[6]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of 
>> Michael
>>     Shortt <[7]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>     Date: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:13 PM
>>     To: bob Radefeld <[8]bob at radefeld.com>
>>     Cc: POCA <[9]detomaso at poca.com>
>>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>>     Bob,
>>     My seats ( made by Gary Herrig ) are from a C4 Corvette, a lot 
>> more
>>     plentiful than Fire seats with lots of aftermarket seat cover 
>> options.
>>     Michael Shortt
>>     On Sep 21, 2015 5:17 PM, "Bob Radefeld" <[10]bob at radefeld.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>     A A A A Hello fellow Forum members,
>>
>>     A A A A Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I 
>> actually
>>     have a
>>
>>     A A A A question that has not already been discussed recently on 
>> the
>>     Forum. I
>>
>>     A A A A know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your 
>> car &
>>     I would
>>
>>     A A A A really like to get some information on how you 
>> accomplished
>>     this & how
>>
>>     A A A A well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of 
>> you
>>     could
>>
>>     A A A A share your experience with me in this endeavor it would 
>> be
>>     greatly
>>
>>     A A A A appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a 
>> winter
>>     project
>>
>>     A A A A this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas. 
>> THANKS
>>     for any in
>>
>>     A A A A site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>>
>>     A A A A Bob Radefeld AA A #5042A
>>
>>     A A A A Topeka, Ks.
>>
>>     A A A A [1][11]bob at radefeld.com
>>
>>     A A A A [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>>
>>     References
>>
>>     A A A A 1. [12]mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>>
>>     A A A A 2. tel:[13]785-478-9360
>>
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>>
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>> References
>>
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>>     2. tel:%28818%29%20393-6261
>>     3. tel:%28818%29%20653-8213
>>     4. tel:%28818%29%20393-3147
>>     5. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>>     6. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>     7. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
>>     8. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>>     9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>>    10. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>>    11. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>>    12. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>>    13. tel:785-478-9360
>>    14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>    15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 19:36:45 -0500
>> From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>> To: Douglas Kelm <dakelm at qwest.net>
>> Cc: Bob Radefeld <bob at radefeld.com>, "detomaso at poca com"
>> 	<detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<CANX29aVSYtBwPva=3H=BLsL7oEP_amYAQHHiC_jk=e3su8cgbw at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Douglas Kelm <dakelm at qwest.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> These are MrMikes covered Fiero seats that I was going to put in my 
>>> car
>>> (since sold), but discovered (too late) that I was too tall! You 
>>> lose 2
>>> 3/8" of head room over the stock seats, so take that into account. 
>>> These
>>> seats were in near mint condition prior to recovering and have only 
>>> been
>>> trial fitted in a car - like new condition. They come with custom
>>> fabricated adapter bars which will bolt directly to stock sliders - 
>>> plug
>>> and play. They also have the speakers in the headrests (first two 
>>> years of
>>> Fiero production only) and come with the pigtail connectors. Boxed 
>>> and
>>> ready to ship. If interested, email me directly at: 
>>> dakelm at qwest.net
>>> Fiero seats were made for Pontiac by the Lear Corp (the jet people) 
>>> and are
>>> excellently constructed.
>>>
>>> Doug Kelm
>>> Minneapolis, MN
>>>
>> BTW, the Fiero seats are very comfy. Dougs look like the spacer 
>> adapters
>> are very well thought out and made.
>>
>> Jeff
>> -------------- next part --------------
>>     On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Douglas Kelm 
>> <[1]dakelm at qwest.net>
>>     wrote:
>>
>>     These are MrMikes covered Fiero seats that I was going to put in 
>> my car
>>     (since sold), but discovered (too late) that I was too tall! You 
>> lose 2
>>     3/8" of head room over the stock seats, so take that into 
>> account.
>>     These seats were in near mint condition prior to recovering and 
>> have
>>     only been trial fitted in a car - like new condition. They come 
>> with
>>     custom fabricated adapter bars which will bolt directly to stock
>>     sliders - plug and play. They also have the speakers in the 
>> headrests
>>     (first two years of Fiero production only) and come with the 
>> pigtail
>>     connectors. Boxed and ready to ship. If interested, email me 
>> directly
>>     at:A  [2]dakelm at qwest.netA  Fiero seats were made for Pontiac by 
>> the
>>     Lear Corp (the jet people) and are excellently constructed.
>>     Doug Kelm
>>     Minneapolis, MN
>>
>>     BTW, the Fiero seats are very comfy. Dougs look like the spacer
>>     adapters are very well thought out and made.
>>     Jeff
>>
>> References
>>
>>     1. mailto:dakelm at qwest.net
>>     2. mailto:dakelm at qwest.net
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 20:17:23 -0500
>> From: "Douglas Kelm" <dakelm at qwest.net>
>> To: "'Jeff Detrich'" <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "'Bob Radefeld'" <bob at radefeld.com>,	"'detomaso at poca com'"
>> 	<detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> Message-ID: <00ff01d0f4d4$70089880$5019c980$@net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Thanks Jeff. I just want to point out that more than a little design 
>> and fabrication went into those adapter bars. First off, they are not 
>> interchangeable, passenger and driver side. The passenger side is 
>> offset to avoid interference with the parking brake handle enclosure 
>> (aided by a redesign of the pivot bolt to gain more clearance). So, 
>> FWIW, installing Fiero seats in a Pantera is a little more involved 
>> than what it may seem like. Also, you may be able to pick up a little 
>> headroom by eliminating the spacers under the stock sliders, and, of 
>> course, there?s always the option of dropping the floor pans it you 
>> are particularly long in the torso.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>> From: Jeff Detrich [mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:37 PM
>> To: Douglas Kelm
>> Cc: Bob Radefeld; detomaso at poca com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Douglas Kelm <dakelm at qwest.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> These are MrMikes covered Fiero seats that I was going to put in my 
>> car (since sold), but discovered (too late) that I was too tall! You 
>> lose 2 3/8" of head room over the stock seats, so take that into 
>> account. These seats were in near mint condition prior to recovering 
>> and have only been trial fitted in a car - like new condition. They 
>> come with custom fabricated adapter bars which will bolt directly to 
>> stock sliders - plug and play. They also have the speakers in the 
>> headrests (first two years of Fiero production only) and come with 
>> the pigtail connectors. Boxed and ready to ship. If interested, email 
>> me directly at:  dakelm at qwest.net  Fiero seats were made for Pontiac 
>> by the Lear Corp (the jet people) and are excellently constructed.
>>
>> Doug Kelm
>> Minneapolis, MN
>>
>>
>> BTW, the Fiero seats are very comfy. Dougs look like the spacer 
>> adapters are very well thought out and made.
>>
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>>     Thanks Jeff. I just want to point out that more than a little 
>> design
>>     and fabrication went into those adapter bars. First off, they are 
>> not
>>     interchangeable, passenger and driver side. The passenger side is
>>     offset to avoid interference with the parking brake handle 
>> enclosure
>>     (aided by a redesign of the pivot bolt to gain more clearance). 
>> So,
>>     FWIW, installing Fiero seats in a Pantera is a little more 
>> involved
>>     than what it may seem like. Also, you may be able to pick up a 
>> little
>>     headroom by eliminating the spacers under the stock sliders, and, 
>> of
>>     course, there's always the option of dropping the floor pans it 
>> you are
>>     particularly long in the torso.
>>
>>     Doug
>>
>>
>>     From: Jeff Detrich [mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com]
>>     Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:37 PM
>>     To: Douglas Kelm
>>     Cc: Bob Radefeld; detomaso at poca com
>>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Douglas Kelm 
>> <[1]dakelm at qwest.net>
>>     wrote:
>>
>>     These are MrMikes covered Fiero seats that I was going to put in 
>> my car
>>     (since sold), but discovered (too late) that I was too tall! You 
>> lose 2
>>     3/8" of head room over the stock seats, so take that into 
>> account.
>>     These seats were in near mint condition prior to recovering and 
>> have
>>     only been trial fitted in a car - like new condition. They come 
>> with
>>     custom fabricated adapter bars which will bolt directly to stock
>>     sliders - plug and play. They also have the speakers in the 
>> headrests
>>     (first two years of Fiero production only) and come with the 
>> pigtail
>>     connectors. Boxed and ready to ship. If interested, email me 
>> directly
>>     at:  [2]dakelm at qwest.net  Fiero seats were made for Pontiac by 
>> the Lear
>>     Corp (the jet people) and are excellently constructed.
>>     Doug Kelm
>>     Minneapolis, MN
>>
>>     BTW, the Fiero seats are very comfy. Dougs look like the spacer
>>     adapters are very well thought out and made.
>>
>>
>>     Jeff
>>
>> References
>>
>>     1. mailto:dakelm at qwest.net
>>     2. mailto:dakelm at qwest.net
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 22:09:53 -0500
>> From: Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com>
>> To: Pantera List <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<CA+d1_LFTnOozQq4Tm9_5KOyR-aT-eOP9nc1O9T4tWj+pU5kWFw at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Sorry, just testing new email account settings.
>>
>> Paul
>> #9270
>> -------------- next part --------------
>>     Sorry, just testing new email account settings.
>>     Paul
>>     #9270
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 22:44:49 -0500
>> From: "Jim Gray" <grayjim at cox.net>
>> To: "Michael Shortt" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>,	"bob Radefeld"
>> 	<bob at radefeld.com>
>> Cc: "detomaso at poca com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> Message-ID: <03590D3D29434350A6BB344876D7E405 at AdminPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8";
>> 	reply-type=original
>>
>> I'm with you Michael. I've had Corvette seats in my car for many 
>> years after
>> two long distance drives from OK to Santa Fe told me "no more!" for 
>> the
>> stock seats. I did have one of our Pantera brethren in the Houston 
>> club
>> reweld the stock brackets so the driver's seat was centered behind 
>> the wheel
>> and the passenger seat was moved a far right as possible. Works quite 
>> well.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> Jim Gray
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Shortt
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:13 PM
>> To: bob Radefeld
>> Cc: detomaso at poca com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> My seats ( made by Gary Herrig ) are from a C4 Corvette, a lot more
>> plentiful than Fire seats with lots of aftermarket seat cover 
>> options.
>>
>> Michael Shortt
>> On Sep 21, 2015 5:17 PM, "Bob Radefeld" <bob at radefeld.com> wrote:
>>
>>>     Hello fellow Forum members,
>>>     Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I actually 
>>> have a
>>>     question that has not already been discussed recently on the 
>>> Forum. I
>>>     know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your car & I 
>>> would
>>>     really like to get some information on how you accomplished this 
>>> & how
>>>     well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of you 
>>> could
>>>     share your experience with me in this endeavor it would be 
>>> greatly
>>>     appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a winter 
>>> project
>>>     this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas. THANKS for 
>>> any in
>>>     site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>>>     Bob Radefeld A  #5042A
>>>     Topeka, Ks.
>>>     [1]bob at radefeld.com
>>>     [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>>     1. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>>>     2. tel:785-478-9360
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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>>> the links above.
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 00:40:53 -0700
>> From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
>> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>,	San Diego Panteras
>> 	<sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>,	Don Byars <preprobro at aol.com>, Bruce
>> 	Singer <iamhp005 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Marvic Wheel 10x15 Campi Update
>> Message-ID: <C3CD94EC-7B89-4825-978F-D67E7A990507 at mac.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> All,
>>
>> My friends at Marvic have informed me that they just started casting 
>> the first of the Campi 10x15 long rib design, and the 8x15 fronts and 
>> they are taking deposits. The cost will be ?1500 for the 10x15 each 
>> and ?1280 for the 8x15 each.
>>
>> The 10x15 short alternating rib design will be come soon as well with 
>> similar price points. They will send me pictures of the finished 
>> products when complete.
>>
>> Please contact Marvic directly for the deposit information and to get 
>> you name on the list.
>>
>> mailto:info at marvic.it
>>
>> tel:+39-0332%20463386
>>
>> Regards, Ed
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>> -------------- next part --------------
>>     All,
>>     My friends at Marvic have informed me that they just started 
>> casting
>>     the first of the Campi 10x15 long rib design, and the 8x15 fronts 
>> and
>>     they are taking deposits. The cost will be EUR1500 for the 10x15 
>> each
>>     and EUR1280 for the 8x15 each.
>>     The 10x15 short alternating rib design will be come soon as well 
>> with
>>     similar price points. They will send me pictures of the finished
>>     products when complete.
>>     Please contact Marvic directly for the deposit information and to 
>> get
>>     you name on the list.
>>     [1]mailto:info at marvic.it
>>
>>     [2]tel:+39-0332%20463386
>>
>>     Regards, Ed
>>
>>     Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>
>> References
>>
>>     1. mailto:info at marvic.it
>>     2. tel:+39-0332%20463386
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 15
>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 09:51:11 -0700
>> From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>> To: "List DeTomaso" <Detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>> Message-ID: <9EBDFD5FC6C6461E8CC00F55CA11ED4E at BOSS3A>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>> I have been researching the period around when the Pantera was new,
>>
>> including the challenge to produce the first mid-engined large-volume 
>> production sports car,
>>
>> with Ford racing to beat Chevy with their mid-engine Corvette, and 
>> AMC with their AMX/3, to market.
>>
>>
>> As a side note I received fresh photos of a car that some may not 
>> know about - the Boomerang.
>>
>>
>> You know Giorgetto Giugiaro designed the Mangusta.
>>
>> You know Tom Tjaarda designed the Pantera body to go over the Paolo 
>> Dallara chassis.
>>
>>
>> Now what if Giorgetto Giugiaro was turned loose to design the 
>> Pantera?
>>
>> What did he envision the future might look like?
>>
>>
>> We are not talking about a prototype body but this is a running, 
>> registered, driving car.
>>
>>
>> On the Registry "cover" page (Member Main) is a link to the Giorgetto 
>> Giugiaro designed Maserati Boomerang.
>>
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>>
>> Chuck Melton
>>
>>
>>
>> The De Tomaso Registry Guy
>>
>> http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
>>
>>
>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>>
>>     I have been researching the period around when the Pantera was 
>> new,
>>
>>     including the challenge to produce the first mid-engined 
>> large-volume
>>     production sports car,
>>
>>     with Ford racing to beat Chevy with their mid-engine Corvette, 
>> and AMC
>>     with their AMX/3, to market.
>>
>>
>>     As a side note I received fresh photos of a car that some may not 
>> know
>>     about - the Boomerang.
>>
>>
>>     You know Giorgetto Giugiaro designed the Mangusta.
>>
>>     You know Tom Tjaarda designed the Pantera body to go over the 
>> Paolo
>>     Dallara chassis.
>>
>>
>>     Now what if Giorgetto Giugiaro was turned loose to design the 
>> Pantera?
>>
>>     What did he envision the future might look like?
>>
>>
>>     We are not talking about a prototype body but this is a running,
>>     registered, driving car.
>>
>>
>>     On the Registry "cover" page (Member Main) is a link to the 
>> Giorgetto
>>     Giugiaro designed Maserati Boomerang.
>>
>>
>>     Enjoy,
>>
>>
>>     Chuck Melton
>>
>>
>>
>>     The De Tomaso Registry Guy
>>
>>     [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
>>
>> References
>>
>>     1. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 16
>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 11:54:12 -0500
>> From: Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com>
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>> Message-ID: <560187B4.1070102 at pobox.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>
>> This has a very strange steering wheel/dash.
>>
>> Paul
>> #9270
>>
>> On 9/22/2015 11:51 AM, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote:
>>> Maserati Boomerang
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 17
>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 13:04:53 -0400
>> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>> To: Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com>
>> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>> Message-ID: <67D8DBED-C805-40CE-9DB3-A255BA36286A at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>>
>> I have that car in a large coffee table book on concept cars.  It's 
>> one of the best in the book.
>>
>> The cover has the car that Foose's son copied with a Pantera as a 
>> base.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This has a very strange steering wheel/dash.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>> #9270
>>>
>>>> On 9/22/2015 11:51 AM, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote:
>>>> Maserati Boomerang
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 18
>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 10:18:20 -0700
>> From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Paul Timko'" <thedrol at pobox.com>
>> Cc: "List DeTomaso" <Detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>> Message-ID: <BF1597765B59432C8DDEAECB8ED97019 at BOSS3A>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>>
>> Doesn't the steering wheel concept look like a harbinger of the 
>> modern
>> "all in your hands" steering wheel of Formula 1 today?
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> This has a very strange steering wheel/dash.
>>
>> Paul
>> #9270
>>
>> On 9/22/2015 11:51 AM, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote:
>>> Maserati Boomerang
>>
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>>
>> Message: 19
>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 17:44:07 +0000
>> From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>> To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>, List
>> 	DeTomaso	<Detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>> Message-ID: <D226E140.7E7F8%thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Wow!  Looks like?gulp? dare I say it.  a DeLoren (sp?)
>>
>>
>> "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
>>    exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
>>    to contact us!"
>>
>> Terry W. Himes
>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>> InSight Sequence Team Lead
>> Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
>> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>> Cell:     (818) 653-8213
>> Fax:     (818) 393-3147
>> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>> ??
>>
>> From: DeTomaso 
>> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on 
>> behalf of The DeTomaso Registry Guy 
>> <detomasoregistry at gmail.com<mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com>>
>> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 9:51 AM
>> To: POCA <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>>
>>
>> I have been researching the period around when the Pantera was new,
>>
>> including the challenge to produce the first mid-engined large-volume 
>> production sports car,
>>
>> with Ford racing to beat Chevy with their mid-engine Corvette, and 
>> AMC with their AMX/3, to market.
>>
>>
>> As a side note I received fresh photos of a car that some may not 
>> know about - the Boomerang.
>>
>>
>> You know Giorgetto Giugiaro designed the Mangusta.
>>
>> You know Tom Tjaarda designed the Pantera body to go over the Paolo 
>> Dallara chassis.
>>
>>
>> Now what if Giorgetto Giugiaro was turned loose to design the 
>> Pantera?
>>
>> What did he envision the future might look like?
>>
>>
>> We are not talking about a prototype body but this is a running, 
>> registered, driving car.
>>
>>
>> On the Registry "cover" page (Member Main) is a link to the Giorgetto 
>> Giugiaro designed Maserati Boomerang.
>>
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>>
>> Chuck Melton
>>
>>
>>
>> The De Tomaso Registry Guy
>>
>> http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>>     Wow!  Looks like...gulp... dare I say it.  a DeLoren (sp?)
>>
>>     "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
>>
>>       exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
>>
>>       to contact us!"
>>
>>     Terry W. Himes
>>
>>     JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>>
>>     InSight Sequence Team Lead
>>
>>     Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
>>
>>     Phone: (818) 393-6261
>>
>>     Cell:     (818) 653-8213
>>
>>     Fax:     (818) 393-3147
>>
>>     [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>>
>>     From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of The 
>> DeTomaso
>>     Registry Guy <[3]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>>     Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 9:51 AM
>>     To: POCA <[4]detomaso at poca.com>
>>     Subject: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>>
>>     I have been researching the period around when the Pantera was 
>> new,
>>     including the challenge to produce the first mid-engined 
>> large-volume
>>     production sports car,
>>     with Ford racing to beat Chevy with their mid-engine Corvette, 
>> and AMC
>>     with their AMX/3, to market.
>>     As a side note I received fresh photos of a car that some may not 
>> know
>>     about - the Boomerang.
>>     You know Giorgetto Giugiaro designed the Mangusta.
>>     You know Tom Tjaarda designed the Pantera body to go over the 
>> Paolo
>>     Dallara chassis.
>>     Now what if Giorgetto Giugiaro was turned loose to design the
>>     Pantera?
>>     What did he envision the future might look like?
>>     We are not talking about a prototype body but this is a running,
>>     registered, driving car.
>>     On the Registry "cover" page (Member Main) is a link to the 
>> Giorgetto
>>     Giugiaro designed Maserati Boomerang.
>>     Enjoy,
>>     Chuck Melton
>>     The De Tomaso Registry Guy
>>     [5]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
>>
>> References
>>
>>     1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>>     2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>>     3. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
>>     4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>>     5. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 20
>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 13:46:00 -0400
>> From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
>> To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>> Cc: List DeTomaso <Detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<CAEr4y_uWzfst2+h6yTU81qpKuoPrFdLUk-LAm0qbv_CN4N9BGw at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> That would be scary-deadly side impact!
>>
>> Thanks for sharing, Chuck.
>>
>> Rob DuMoulin
>> 904.476.8744
>> rob at dumoulins.net
>> www.kbsi.co
>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 12:51 PM, The DeTomaso Registry Guy <
>> detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>>     That would be scary-deadly side impact!
>>     Thanks for sharing, Chuck.
>>     Rob DuMoulin
>>     904.476.8744
>>     [1]rob at dumoulins.net
>>     [2]www.kbsi.co
>>     [3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>>     On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 12:51 PM, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
>>     <[4]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>       A A
>>
>> References
>>
>>     1. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
>>     2. http://www.kbsi.co/
>>     3. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>>     4. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 21
>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 10:54:36 -0700
>> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>> To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>> Cc: List DeTomaso <Detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>> Message-ID: <A07C5D69-1C68-431F-8868-8A0BDEB73164 at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>>
>> I e seen this car in the flesh several times. It's very extreme and 
>> likely VERY hot inside. But it's certainly distinctive!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 9:51, The DeTomaso Registry Guy 
>> <detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>    I have been researching the period around when the Pantera was 
>>> new,
>>>
>>>    including the challenge to produce the first mid-engined 
>>> large-volume
>>>    production sports car,
>>>
>>>    with Ford racing to beat Chevy with their mid-engine Corvette, 
>>> and AMC
>>>    with their AMX/3, to market.
>>>
>>>
>>>    As a side note I received fresh photos of a car that some may not 
>>> know
>>>    about - the Boomerang.
>>>
>>>
>>>    You know Giorgetto Giugiaro designed the Mangusta.
>>>
>>>    You know Tom Tjaarda designed the Pantera body to go over the 
>>> Paolo
>>>    Dallara chassis.
>>>
>>>
>>>    Now what if Giorgetto Giugiaro was turned loose to design the 
>>> Pantera?
>>>
>>>    What did he envision the future might look like?
>>>
>>>
>>>    We are not talking about a prototype body but this is a running,
>>>    registered, driving car.
>>>
>>>
>>>    On the Registry "cover" page (Member Main) is a link to the 
>>> Giorgetto
>>>    Giugiaro designed Maserati Boomerang.
>>>
>>>
>>>    Enjoy,
>>>
>>>
>>>    Chuck Melton
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    The De Tomaso Registry Guy
>>>
>>>    [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>>    1. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 22
>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 18:14:13 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>> To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, Paul Timko
>> 	<thedrol at pobox.com>
>> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<1029613244.1685587.1442945653981.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Reminds me of the "Star?" Pantera Chip Foose's father built that was 
>> based on the?design of the?1968 Alfa Romeo Carabo:
>> http://95octane.com/2014/07/18/1972-sam-foose-pantera-for-sale/
>> A steath Pantera to evade police radar?
>> Ken
>> ?      From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>>   To: Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com>
>> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>>   Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 10:04 AM
>>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>>     I have that car in a large coffee table book on concept cars.? 
>> It's one of the best in the book.
>>
>> The cover has the car that Foose's son copied with a Pantera as a 
>> base.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This has a very strange steering wheel/dash.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>> #9270
>>>
>>>> On 9/22/2015 11:51 AM, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote:
>>>> Maserati Boomerang
>>>
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>>    -------------- next part --------------
>>     Reminds me of the "Star?" Pantera Chip Foose's father built that 
>> was
>>     based on the design of the 1968 Alfa Romeo Carabo:
>> 
>> [1]http://95octane.com/2014/07/18/1972-sam-foose-pantera-for-sale/
>>     A steath Pantera to evade police radar?
>>     Ken
>> 
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>>     From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>>     To: Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com>
>>     Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>>     Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 10:04 AM
>>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>>     I have that car in a large coffee table book on concept cars. 
>> It's one
>>     of the best in the book.
>>     The cover has the car that Foose's son copied with a Pantera as a 
>> base.
>>     Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Paul Timko <[2]thedrol at pobox.com>
>>     wrote:
>>>
>>> This has a very strange steering wheel/dash.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>> #9270
>>>
>>>> On 9/22/2015 11:51 AM, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote:
>>>> Maserati Boomerang
>>>
>>>
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>> References
>>
>>     1. 
>> http://95octane.com/2014/07/18/1972-sam-foose-pantera-for-sale/
>>     2. mailto:thedrol at pobox.com
>>     3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>>     4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>     5. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 23
>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 11:21:30 -0700
>> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Himes, Terry 397C" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>, The DeTomaso
>> 	Registry Guy	<detomasoregistry at gmail.com>, De Tomaso List
>> 	<detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>> Message-ID: <BAY173-W32C5AF083D31D8DEDED77A95450 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Not surprising then that Giugiaro designed the DeLorean DMC-12
>>   From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
>> To: detomasoregistry at gmail.com; Detomaso at poca.com
>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 17:44:07 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>>
>> Wow!  Looks like?gulp? dare I say it.  a DeLoren (sp?)
>>     "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
>>    exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
>>    to contact us!"
>>   Terry W. Himes
>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>> InSight Sequence Team Lead
>> Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
>> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>> Cell:     (818) 653-8213
>> Fax:     (818) 393-3147
>> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>> ??
>>   From: DeTomaso 
>> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on 
>> behalf of The DeTomaso Registry Guy 
>> <detomasoregistry at gmail.com<mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com>>
>> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 9:51 AM
>> To: POCA <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>>     I have been researching the period around when the Pantera was 
>> new,
>>   including the challenge to produce the first mid-engined 
>> large-volume production sports car,
>>   with Ford racing to beat Chevy with their mid-engine Corvette, and 
>> AMC with their AMX/3, to market.
>>     As a side note I received fresh photos of a car that some may not 
>> know about - the Boomerang.
>>     You know Giorgetto Giugiaro designed the Mangusta.
>>   You know Tom Tjaarda designed the Pantera body to go over the Paolo 
>> Dallara chassis.
>>     Now what if Giorgetto Giugiaro was turned loose to design the 
>> Pantera?
>>   What did he envision the future might look like?
>>     We are not talking about a prototype body but this is a running, 
>> registered, driving car.
>>     On the Registry "cover" page (Member Main) is a link to the 
>> Giorgetto Giugiaro designed Maserati Boomerang.
>>     Enjoy,
>>     Chuck Melton
>>       The De Tomaso Registry Guy
>>   http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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>> -------------- next part --------------
>>     Not surprising then that Giugiaro designed the DeLorean DMC-12
>>
>>     From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
>>     To: detomasoregistry at gmail.com; Detomaso at poca.com
>>     Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 17:44:07 +0000
>>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>> Wow!  Looks likea|gulpa| dare I say it.  a DeLoren (sp?)
>>
>>
>> "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
>>    exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
>>    to contact us!"
>>
>> Terry W. Himes
>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>> InSight Sequence Team Lead
>> Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
>> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>> Cell:     (818) 653-8213
>> Fax:     (818) 393-3147
>> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>>   Regional indicator for USA
>>
>> From: DeTomaso 
>> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on
>> behalf of The DeTomaso Registry Guy 
>> <detomasoregistry at gmail.com<mailto:detomasor
>> egistry at gmail.com>>
>> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 9:51 AM
>> To: POCA <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>>
>>
>> I have been researching the period around when the Pantera was new,
>>
>> including the challenge to produce the first mid-engined large-volume 
>> production
>>   sports car,
>>
>> with Ford racing to beat Chevy with their mid-engine Corvette, and 
>> AMC with thei
>> r AMX/3, to market.
>>
>>
>> As a side note I received fresh photos of a car that some may not 
>> know about - t
>> he Boomerang.
>>
>>
>> You know Giorgetto Giugiaro designed the Mangusta.
>>
>> You know Tom Tjaarda designed the Pantera body to go over the Paolo 
>> Dallara chas
>> sis.
>>
>>
>> Now what if Giorgetto Giugiaro was turned loose to design the 
>> Pantera?
>>
>> What did he envision the future might look like?
>>
>>
>> We are not talking about a prototype body but this is a running, 
>> registered, dri
>> ving car.
>>
>>
>> On the Registry "cover" page (Member Main) is a link to the Giorgetto 
>> Giugiaro d
>> esigned Maserati Boomerang.
>>
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>>
>> Chuck Melton
>>
>>
>>
>> The De Tomaso Registry Guy
>>
>> [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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