[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 135, Issue 24
cengles at cox.net
cengles at cox.net
Wed Sep 23 09:37:08 EDT 2015
Dear Owen,
The internal slave cylinder was a hot set up in the early
nineties. Time has proven that it is problematic and it has become
less and less common. Pantera Performance Center no longer sells them,
I understand. I do not have one. I understand that a lot of early
adopters have converted back to the original design. I have heard of
one stalwart who advocates them, but only if everything is perfect.
Most people are not as determined as he is.
I understand that the method to adjust and fiddle with
the internal slave cylinder is simple, but a pain in the ass: remove
the ZF for access to the internal slave; adjust and then re install. I
think that is the most common decision point for owners to remove it and
go back to stock external slave cylinders.
Hopefully, somebody with actual experience will advise you
if a more attractive adjustment method exists.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 5:23 AM, Owen Cooke wrote:
> Guys
>
> can you help with some information
>
> i just bought a 1972 pantera and the clutch slave cylinder is inside
> the bell housing
> i have never seen such an arrangement before and all the photos i see
> clearly show the slave cyl on the right side of the bell housing- not
> mine
> So how can you adjust clearance etc on this
> the flexihose for fluid goes in on the right and a bleed niple is on
> the left side ???
>
> owen cooke dublin ireland
>
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>> 1. Re: New POCA Chapter (marshall smith)
>> 2. Fiero seats in a Pantera (Bob Radefeld)
>> 3. Re: Fiero seats in a Pantera (Larry - Ohio Time)
>> 4. Re: Fiero seats in a Pantera (Jeff Detrich)
>> 5. Re: Fiero seats in a Pantera (Michael Shortt)
>> 6. Re: Fiero seats in a Pantera (Douglas Kelm)
>> 7. Re: Fiero seats in a Pantera (LS)
>> 8. Re: Fiero seats in a Pantera (Himes, Terry (397C))
>> 9. Re: Fiero seats in a Pantera (Michael Shortt)
>> 10. Re: Fiero seats in a Pantera (Jeff Detrich)
>> 11. Re: Fiero seats in a Pantera (Douglas Kelm)
>> 12. NPC (Paul Timko)
>> 13. Re: Fiero seats in a Pantera (Jim Gray)
>> 14. Marvic Wheel 10x15 Campi Update (Ed Mendez)
>> 15. Alternate possibilities to the Pantera (The DeTomaso Registry
>> Guy)
>> 16. Re: Alternate possibilities to the Pantera (Paul Timko)
>> 17. Re: Alternate possibilities to the Pantera (Will Kooiman)
>> 18. Re: Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>> (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
>> 19. Re: Alternate possibilities to the Pantera (Himes, Terry
>> (397C))
>> 20. Re: Alternate possibilities to the Pantera (Rob Dumoulin)
>> 21. Re: Alternate possibilities to the Pantera (Mike Drew)
>> 22. Re: Alternate possibilities to the Pantera (Ken Green)
>> 23. Re: Alternate possibilities to the Pantera (Julian Kift)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 13:13:35 -0700
>> From: marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: detomaso at poca.com, Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New POCA Chapter
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> Hey Michael,
>>
>> Congrats and kudos to you for starting a new chapter!! The popularity
>> of our cars and our national chapter has been waning in the last few
>> years. Thank goodness our cars have doubled in value AND there are
>> still people like you willing to start new clubs and keep the
>> interest in our cars from dying. I truly hope that you have not
>> received allegations of starting a turf war. My goodness....we all
>> graduated from junior high school a long time ago!
>>
>> Keep up the great work Michael with you new chapter!!
>>
>> Marshall Smith
>> President, San Diego Panteras
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Sat, 9/19/15, Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] New POCA Chapter
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Date: Saturday, September 19, 2015, 3:22 PM
>> ???> Greetings to
>> All ,
>> ???>
>> ???> I am getting emails, texts, telephone
>> calls, etc. regarding my
>> ???efforts to form a new POCA chapter.
>> ???> Efforts which were started many years
>> ago and finally just recently
>> ???blessed by POCA,A? long before
>> efforts were made to resurrect the
>> ???former dormant -ish Southeast Panteras
>> Chapter.
>> ???> As with all things seemingly
>> unplanned, it seems that my efforts and
>> ???those of Southeast Pantera hit their
>> respective stride at about the
>> ???same time.
>> ???> Let me categorically state that I
>> have no interest in some kind of
>> ???turf war ( as has been rumored ) or
>> contest to sign up members.
>> ???> I also have no interest in Florida at
>> all, it is simply too far away
>> ???to be conducive
>> ???> IMHO to attract active participation
>> from the membership I am
>> ???seeking.
>> ???>
>> ???> i.e. My home to Miami is over 500
>> miles away / 8 hours of driving at
>> ???normal speeds.
>> ???>
>> ???> I live in Savannah, Georgia and the
>> proposed moniker of our chapter
>> ???is Southern States Panteras. My primary
>> target area for membership is
>> ???Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina,
>> Alabama and Eastern Tennessee.
>> ???> All of which is within a 6 hour
>> circle of influence and contains more
>> ???active racetracks that I can count, the
>> incredible Great Smokey Mtns
>> ???and of course all things NASCAR plus a
>> great many concourse events,
>> ???shows and loads of tech points of
>> interest.
>> ???> We have no desire to be a sit in
>> folding chairs while bench racing
>> ???and polishing crowd.
>> ???> As the founder of the twice run
>> Detomaso Pantera Summer Summit, I
>> ???have already put together Pantera related
>> rallys. Additionally I am a
>> ???former SCCA CSR champion, driving
>> instructor and board member. I
>> ???currently teach/coach with HPDE group
>> Hooked on Driving at various SE
>> ???tracks.
>> ???>
>> ???> My plan for Southern States
>> ???> involves a smattering of concourse
>> meetings, mtn rallys, Track days,
>> ???tech visits to cool shops, and plain old
>> ???> Get togethers throughout the year.
>> ???>
>> ???> I forsee a friendly, reciprocal and
>> supportive relationship
>> ???> With Southeast Pantera. I would hope
>> that their members would attend
>> ???our events and that they will extend
>> invitations to our membership to
>> ???their events ( as they already have to me
>> to attend the Lake Mirror
>> ???Classic).
>> ???>
>> ???> We are seeking POCA members living in
>> GA, SC, NC, AL, and TN to
>> ???affiliate with Southern States, all they
>> have to do is notify Judy at
>> ???POCA and its a done deal.
>> ???>
>> ???> I hope this puts to rest any kind of
>> competition BS, there is none. I
>> ???fully support the efforts of SE Panteras
>> ???> And hope they support ours.
>> ???>
>> ???> It is simply a matter of geography
>> and trying to involve as many
>> ???active participants as possible for both
>> groups.
>> ???> Two is better than one.
>> ???>
>> ???> Thank you,
>> ???>
>> ???> Michael Shortt
>> ???> Founding Chairman
>> ???> Southern States Panteras.
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 16:17:33 -0500
>> From: Bob Radefeld <bob at radefeld.com>
>> To: "detomaso at poca com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> Message-ID:
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>> Hello fellow Forum members,
>>
>> Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I actually have a
>> question that has not already been discussed recently on the Forum. I
>> know
>> that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your car & I would
>> really
>> like to get some information on how you accomplished this & how well
>> you
>> like them compared to the stock seats. If any of you could share your
>> experience with me in this endeavor it would be greatly appreciated.
>> I'm
>> planning on possibly doing this as a winter project this year when
>> the snow
>> starts flying here in Kansas. THANKS for any in site that any of you
>> are
>> willing to share with me! :o))
>>
>> Bob Radefeld #5042
>> Topeka, Ks.
>> bob at radefeld.com
>> 785-478-9360 (cell)
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> Hello fellow Forum members,
>> Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I actually have
>> a
>> question that has not already been discussed recently on the
>> Forum. I
>> know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your car & I
>> would
>> really like to get some information on how you accomplished this
>> & how
>> well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of you
>> could
>> share your experience with me in this endeavor it would be
>> greatly
>> appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a winter
>> project
>> this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas. THANKS for
>> any in
>> site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>> Bob Radefeld A #5042A
>> Topeka, Ks.
>> [1]bob at radefeld.com
>> [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>> 2. tel:785-478-9360
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 17:43:01 -0400
>> From: "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
>> To: "'Bob Radefeld'" <bob at radefeld.com>, "'detomaso at poca com'"
>> <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> Message-ID: <00152EE3D7FA473BA375E767492423DE at LarryHPPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Bob my friend,
>>
>> I do have some Fiero seats for sale if you are interested.
>>
>> I hope you are well!!
>>
>> Larry (need re-covering) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Bob
>> Radefeld
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:18 PM
>> To: detomaso at poca com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>>
>> Hello fellow Forum members,
>>
>> Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I actually have a
>> question that has not already been discussed recently on the Forum. I
>> know
>> that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your car & I would
>> really
>> like to get some information on how you accomplished this & how well
>> you
>> like them compared to the stock seats. If any of you could share your
>> experience with me in this endeavor it would be greatly appreciated.
>> I'm
>> planning on possibly doing this as a winter project this year when
>> the snow
>> starts flying here in Kansas. THANKS for any in site that any of you
>> are
>> willing to share with me! :o))
>>
>> Bob Radefeld #5042
>> Topeka, Ks.
>> bob at radefeld.com
>> 785-478-9360 (cell)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 18:04:20 -0500
>> From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>> To: Bob Radefeld <bob at radefeld.com>
>> Cc: "detomaso at poca com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> Message-ID:
>> <CANX29aW7k75upgEXcND9obmuRRweQ4fUZiZx2AZOtHwN0Jg-pg at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Fiero Seats look like this, pics 1-2. The fiero rails do not match up
>> with
>> the pantera rails as attached to the floor pan. The Pantera rails are
>> better. You need to build a spacer that moves the attach point for
>> the
>> fiero seats to the attach point for mounted Pantera rails. See pics
>> 3-4.
>> Right and left seats are different. Take your time measuring and
>> fitting to
>> get it right.
>>
>> People sometimes buy the earlier seats with the speakers in the
>> headrest.
>> They aren't very effective IMHO.
>>
>> They fiero seats are a little higher than Pantera seats. Make sure
>> you fit.
>> You can pull off a little of the foam in the center of the seat but
>> it
>> won't buy you muck more space.
>>
>> I also had to remove a lot of the foam from the bottom of the seat to
>> get
>> them to slide over the carpet.
>>
>> Mr. Mikes makes leather seat covers and they can embroider the logo
>> in them.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> Jeff
>> 6559
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Bob Radefeld <bob at radefeld.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello fellow Forum members,
>>> Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I actually
>>> have a
>>> question that has not already been discussed recently on the
>>> Forum. I
>>> know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your car & I
>>> would
>>> really like to get some information on how you accomplished this
>>> & how
>>> well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of you
>>> could
>>> share your experience with me in this endeavor it would be
>>> greatly
>>> appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a winter
>>> project
>>> this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas. THANKS for
>>> any in
>>> site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>>> Bob Radefeld A #5042A
>>> Topeka, Ks.
>>> [1]bob at radefeld.com
>>> [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>>> 2. tel:785-478-9360
>>>
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>>>
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>> -------------- next part --------------
>> Fiero Seats look like this, pics 1-2. The fiero rails do not
>> match up
>> with the pantera rails as attached to the floor pan. The Pantera
>> rails
>> are better. You need to build a spacer that moves the attach
>> point for
>> the fiero seats to the attach point for mounted Pantera rails.
>> See pics
>> 3-4. Right and left seats are different. Take your time measuring
>> and
>> fitting to get it right.
>> People sometimes buy the earlier seats with the speakers in the
>> headrest. They aren't very effective IMHO.A
>> They fiero seats are a little higher than Pantera seats. Make
>> sure you
>> fit. You can pull off a little of the foam in the center of the
>> seat
>> but it won't buy you muck more space.
>> I also had to remove a lot of the foam from the bottom of the
>> seat to
>> get them to slide over the carpet.
>> Mr. Mikes makes leather seat covers and they can embroider the
>> logo in
>> them.
>> Good luck.
>> Jeff
>> 6559
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Bob Radefeld
>> <[1]bob at radefeld.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> A A Hello fellow Forum members,
>> A A Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I
>> actually
>> have a
>> A A question that has not already been discussed recently on
>> the
>> Forum. I
>> A A know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your
>> car &
>> I would
>> A A really like to get some information on how you
>> accomplished
>> this & how
>> A A well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of
>> you
>> could
>> A A share your experience with me in this endeavor it would be
>> greatly
>> A A appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a
>> winter
>> project
>> A A this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas.
>> THANKS
>> for any in
>> A A site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>> A A Bob Radefeld AA #5042A
>> A A Topeka, Ks.
>> A A [1][2]bob at radefeld.com
>> A A [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>> References
>> A A 1. mailto:[3]bob at radefeld.com
>> A A 2. tel:785-478-9360
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 19:13:10 -0400
>> From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>> To: bob Radefeld <bob at radefeld.com>
>> Cc: "detomaso at poca com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAEWtxWqmLh3rgm1K=aVs2z=zTiGr9awxao0t7zAcBjv6OO3c=g at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> My seats ( made by Gary Herrig ) are from a C4 Corvette, a lot more
>> plentiful than Fire seats with lots of aftermarket seat cover
>> options.
>>
>> Michael Shortt
>> On Sep 21, 2015 5:17 PM, "Bob Radefeld" <bob at radefeld.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello fellow Forum members,
>>> Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I actually
>>> have a
>>> question that has not already been discussed recently on the
>>> Forum. I
>>> know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your car & I
>>> would
>>> really like to get some information on how you accomplished this
>>> & how
>>> well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of you
>>> could
>>> share your experience with me in this endeavor it would be
>>> greatly
>>> appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a winter
>>> project
>>> this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas. THANKS for
>>> any in
>>> site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>>> Bob Radefeld A #5042A
>>> Topeka, Ks.
>>> [1]bob at radefeld.com
>>> [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>>> 2. tel:785-478-9360
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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>> -------------- next part --------------
>> Bob,
>>
>> My seats ( made by Gary Herrig ) are from a C4 Corvette, a lot
>> more
>> plentiful than Fire seats with lots of aftermarket seat cover
>> options.
>>
>> Michael Shortt
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2015 5:17 PM, "Bob Radefeld" <[1]bob at radefeld.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> A A Hello fellow Forum members,
>> A A Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I
>> actually
>> have a
>> A A question that has not already been discussed recently on
>> the
>> Forum. I
>> A A know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your
>> car &
>> I would
>> A A really like to get some information on how you
>> accomplished
>> this & how
>> A A well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of
>> you
>> could
>> A A share your experience with me in this endeavor it would be
>> greatly
>> A A appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a
>> winter
>> project
>> A A this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas.
>> THANKS
>> for any in
>> A A site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>> A A Bob Radefeld AA #5042A
>> A A Topeka, Ks.
>> A A [1][2]bob at radefeld.com
>> A A [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>> References
>> A A 1. mailto:[3]bob at radefeld.com
>> A A 2. tel:[4]785-478-9360
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 18:41:29 -0500
>> From: "Douglas Kelm" <dakelm at qwest.net>
>> To: "'Jeff Detrich'" <jjdetrich at gmail.com>, "'Bob Radefeld'"
>> <bob at radefeld.com>
>> Cc: "'detomaso at poca com'" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> Message-ID: <00e901d0f4c7$0a0ce1b0$1e26a510$@net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/dakelm/albums/72157619124819022
>>
>> These are MrMikes covered Fiero seats that I was going to put in my
>> car (since sold), but discovered (too late) that I was too tall! You
>> lose 2 3/8" of head room over the stock seats, so take that into
>> account. These seats were in near mint condition prior to recovering
>> and have only been trial fitted in a car - like new condition. They
>> come with custom fabricated adapter bars which will bolt directly to
>> stock sliders - plug and play. They also have the speakers in the
>> headrests (first two years of Fiero production only) and come with
>> the pigtail connectors. Boxed and ready to ship. If interested, email
>> me directly at: dakelm at qwest.net Fiero seats were made for Pontiac
>> by the Lear Corp (the jet people) and are excellently constructed.
>>
>> Doug Kelm
>> Minneapolis, MN
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>> Detrich
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:04 PM
>> To: Bob Radefeld
>> Cc: detomaso at poca com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>>
>> Fiero Seats look like this, pics 1-2. The fiero rails do not match up
>> with the pantera rails as attached to the floor pan. The Pantera
>> rails are better. You need to build a spacer that moves the attach
>> point for the fiero seats to the attach point for mounted Pantera
>> rails. See pics 3-4.
>> Right and left seats are different. Take your time measuring and
>> fitting to get it right.
>>
>> People sometimes buy the earlier seats with the speakers in the
>> headrest.
>> They aren't very effective IMHO.
>>
>> They fiero seats are a little higher than Pantera seats. Make sure
>> you fit.
>> You can pull off a little of the foam in the center of the seat but
>> it won't buy you muck more space.
>>
>> I also had to remove a lot of the foam from the bottom of the seat to
>> get them to slide over the carpet.
>>
>> Mr. Mikes makes leather seat covers and they can embroider the logo
>> in them.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> Jeff
>> 6559
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Bob Radefeld <bob at radefeld.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello fellow Forum members,
>>> Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I actually
>>> have a
>>> question that has not already been discussed recently on the
>>> Forum. I
>>> know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your car & I
>>> would
>>> really like to get some information on how you accomplished this
>>> & how
>>> well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of you
>>> could
>>> share your experience with me in this endeavor it would be
>>> greatly
>>> appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a winter
>>> project
>>> this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas. THANKS for
>>> any in
>>> site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>>> Bob Radefeld A #5042A
>>> Topeka, Ks.
>>> [1]bob at radefeld.com
>>> [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>>> 2. tel:785-478-9360
>>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 23:49:23 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
>> To: Douglas Kelm <dakelm at qwest.net>, 'Jeff Detrich'
>> <jjdetrich at gmail.com>, 'Bob Radefeld' <bob at radefeld.com>
>> Cc: "'detomaso at poca com'" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> Message-ID:
>> <333693134.1234844.1442879363415.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Fiero or Corvette seats??
>> Please tell me why you wouldn't just install a set of Italian made
>> Momo (also an original OEM supplier) seats?
>> They are superbly built and don't look like...well, seats out of a
>> Pontiac.
>> LS
>> ?
>>
>>
>> central wines-spirits?? est 1934
>>
>> 625 e street nw
>> washington, dc 20004
>> centralwines.com
>>
>> facebook.com/CentralLiquors
>>
>> 202-737-2800
>>
>>
>> From: Douglas Kelm <dakelm at qwest.net>
>> To: 'Jeff Detrich' <jjdetrich at gmail.com>; 'Bob Radefeld'
>> <bob at radefeld.com>
>> Cc: "'detomaso at poca com'" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/dakelm/albums/72157619124819022
>>
>> These are MrMikes covered Fiero seats that I was going to put in my
>> car (since sold), but discovered (too late) that I was too tall! You
>> lose 2 3/8" of head room over the stock seats, so take that into
>> account. These seats were in near mint condition prior to recovering
>> and have only been trial fitted in a car - like new condition. They
>> come with custom fabricated adapter bars which will bolt directly to
>> stock sliders - plug and play. They also have the speakers in the
>> headrests (first two years of Fiero production only) and come with
>> the pigtail connectors. Boxed and ready to ship. If interested, email
>> me directly at:? dakelm at qwest.net? Fiero seats were made for Pontiac
>> by the Lear Corp (the jet people) and are excellently constructed.
>>
>> Doug Kelm
>> Minneapolis, MN
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>> Detrich
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:04 PM
>> To: Bob Radefeld
>> Cc: detomaso at poca com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>>
>> Fiero Seats look like this, pics 1-2. The fiero rails do not match up
>> with the pantera rails as attached to the floor pan. The Pantera
>> rails are better. You need to build a spacer that moves the attach
>> point for the fiero seats to the attach point for mounted Pantera
>> rails. See pics 3-4.
>> Right and left seats are different. Take your time measuring and
>> fitting to get it right.
>>
>> People sometimes buy the earlier seats with the speakers in the
>> headrest.
>> They aren't very effective IMHO.
>>
>> They fiero seats are a little higher than Pantera seats. Make sure
>> you fit.
>> You can pull off a little of the foam in the center of the seat but
>> it won't buy you muck more space.
>>
>> I also had to remove a lot of the foam from the bottom of the seat to
>> get them to slide over the carpet.
>>
>> Mr. Mikes makes leather seat covers and they can embroider the logo
>> in them.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> Jeff
>> 6559
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Bob Radefeld <bob at radefeld.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ? ? Hello fellow Forum members,
>>> ? ? Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I actually
>>> have a
>>> ? ? question that has not already been discussed recently on the
>>> Forum. I
>>> ? ? know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your car & I
>>> would
>>> ? ? really like to get some information on how you accomplished this
>>> & how
>>> ? ? well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of you
>>> could
>>> ? ? share your experience with me in this endeavor it would be
>>> greatly
>>> ? ? appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a winter
>>> project
>>> ? ? this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas. THANKS for
>>> any in
>>> ? ? site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>>> ? ? Bob Radefeld A? #5042A
>>
>>> ? ? Topeka, Ks.
>>> ? ? [1]bob at radefeld.com
>>> ? ? [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> ? ? 1. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>>> ? ? 2. tel:785-478-9360
>>>
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>>>
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>> -------------- next part --------------
>> Fiero or Corvette seats??
>> Please tell me why you wouldn't just install a set of Italian
>> made Momo
>> (also an original OEM supplier) seats?
>> They are superbly built and don't look like...well, seats out of
>> a
>> Pontiac.
>> LS
>>
>> central
>> wines-spirits est 1934
>> 625 e street nw
>> washington, dc 20004
>> [1]centralwines.com
>> [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors
>> 202-737-2800
>>
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: Douglas Kelm <dakelm at qwest.net>
>> To: 'Jeff Detrich' <jjdetrich at gmail.com>; 'Bob Radefeld'
>> <bob at radefeld.com>
>> Cc: "'detomaso at poca com'" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> [3]https://www.flickr.com/photos/dakelm/albums/72157619124819022
>> These are MrMikes covered Fiero seats that I was going to put in
>> my car
>> (since sold), but discovered (too late) that I was too tall! You
>> lose 2
>> 3/8" of head room over the stock seats, so take that into
>> account.
>> These seats were in near mint condition prior to recovering and
>> have
>> only been trial fitted in a car - like new condition. They come
>> with
>> custom fabricated adapter bars which will bolt directly to stock
>> sliders - plug and play. They also have the speakers in the
>> headrests
>> (first two years of Fiero production only) and come with the
>> pigtail
>> connectors. Boxed and ready to ship. If interested, email me
>> directly
>> at: [4]dakelm at qwest.net Fiero seats were made for Pontiac by
>> the Lear
>> Corp (the jet people) and are excellently constructed.
>> Doug Kelm
>> Minneapolis, MN
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
>> Jeff
>> Detrich
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:04 PM
>> To: Bob Radefeld
>> Cc: [6]detomaso at poca com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> Fiero Seats look like this, pics 1-2. The fiero rails do not
>> match up
>> with the pantera rails as attached to the floor pan. The Pantera
>> rails
>> are better. You need to build a spacer that moves the attach
>> point for
>> the fiero seats to the attach point for mounted Pantera rails.
>> See pics
>> 3-4.
>> Right and left seats are different. Take your time measuring and
>> fitting to get it right.
>> People sometimes buy the earlier seats with the speakers in the
>> headrest.
>> They aren't very effective IMHO.
>> They fiero seats are a little higher than Pantera seats. Make
>> sure you
>> fit.
>> You can pull off a little of the foam in the center of the seat
>> but it
>> won't buy you muck more space.
>> I also had to remove a lot of the foam from the bottom of the
>> seat to
>> get them to slide over the carpet.
>> Mr. Mikes makes leather seat covers and they can embroider the
>> logo in
>> them.
>> Good luck.
>> Jeff
>> 6559
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Bob Radefeld
>> <[7]bob at radefeld.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Hello fellow Forum members,
>>> Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I actually have
>> a
>>> question that has not already been discussed recently on the
>> Forum. I
>>> know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your car & I
>> would
>>> really like to get some information on how you accomplished this
>>> &
>> how
>>> well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of you
>> could
>>> share your experience with me in this endeavor it would be
>>> greatly
>>> appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a winter
>> project
>>> this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas. THANKS for
>> any in
>>> site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>>> Bob Radefeld A #5042A
>>> Topeka, Ks.
>>> [1][8]bob at radefeld.com
>>> [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. mailto:[9]bob at radefeld.com
>>> 2. tel:785-478-9360
>>>
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>>>
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>> References
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>> 2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors
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>> 4. mailto:dakelm at qwest.net
>> 5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>> 6. mailto:detomaso at poca
>> 7. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>> 8. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>> 9. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>> 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 23:50:22 +0000
>> From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>> To: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>, bob Radefeld
>> <bob at radefeld.com>
>> Cc: "detomaso at poca com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> Message-ID: <D225E56C.7E568%thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> I also have those. They lined up well and used the Pantera rails I
>> believe. Mine are all black.
>>
>> More than willing to sell them.
>>
>>
>> "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
>> exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
>> to contact us!"
>>
>> Terry W. Himes
>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>> InSight Sequence Team Lead
>> Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
>> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>> Fax: (818) 393-3147
>> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>> ??
>>
>> From: DeTomaso
>> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on
>> behalf of Michael Shortt
>> <michaelsavga at gmail.com<mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com>>
>> Date: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:13 PM
>> To: bob Radefeld <bob at radefeld.com<mailto:bob at radefeld.com>>
>> Cc: POCA <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> My seats ( made by Gary Herrig ) are from a C4 Corvette, a lot more
>> plentiful than Fire seats with lots of aftermarket seat cover
>> options.
>>
>> Michael Shortt
>> On Sep 21, 2015 5:17 PM, "Bob Radefeld"
>> <bob at radefeld.com<mailto:bob at radefeld.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello fellow Forum members,
>> Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I actually
>> have a
>> question that has not already been discussed recently on the
>> Forum. I
>> know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your car & I
>> would
>> really like to get some information on how you accomplished this
>> & how
>> well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of you
>> could
>> share your experience with me in this endeavor it would be
>> greatly
>> appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a winter
>> project
>> this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas. THANKS for
>> any in
>> site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>> Bob Radefeld A #5042A
>> Topeka, Ks.
>> [1]bob at radefeld.com<mailto:bob at radefeld.com>
>> [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>> 2. tel:785-478-9360
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> I also have those. They lined up well and used the Pantera rails
>> I
>> believe. Mine are all black.
>> More than willing to sell them.
>>
>> "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
>>
>> exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
>>
>> to contact us!"
>>
>> Terry W. Himes
>>
>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>>
>> InSight Sequence Team Lead
>>
>> Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
>>
>> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>>
>> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>>
>> Fax: (818) 393-3147
>>
>> [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of
>> Michael
>> Shortt <[3]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>> Date: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:13 PM
>> To: bob Radefeld <[4]bob at radefeld.com>
>> Cc: POCA <[5]detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>>
>> Bob,
>> My seats ( made by Gary Herrig ) are from a C4 Corvette, a lot
>> more
>> plentiful than Fire seats with lots of aftermarket seat cover
>> options.
>> Michael Shortt
>> On Sep 21, 2015 5:17 PM, "Bob Radefeld" <[6]bob at radefeld.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello fellow Forum members,
>>
>> Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I actually
>> have a
>>
>> question that has not already been discussed recently on the
>> Forum.
>> I
>>
>> know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your car
>> & I
>> would
>>
>> really like to get some information on how you accomplished
>> this &
>> how
>>
>> well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of you
>> could
>>
>> share your experience with me in this endeavor it would be
>> greatly
>>
>> appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a winter
>> project
>>
>> this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas. THANKS
>> for
>> any in
>>
>> site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>>
>> Bob Radefeld A #5042A
>>
>> Topeka, Ks.
>>
>> [1][7]bob at radefeld.com
>>
>> [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. [8]mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>>
>> 2. tel:785-478-9360
>>
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>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 19:53:27 -0400
>> From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>> To: "Terry Himes (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com, bob Radefeld <bob at radefeld.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAEWtxWpffKntXKiN8pzSLGUzBYF8i5RaLAy51zkaBDubH2u9Jg at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> In my case, I have more torso than legs, even the stock seats are too
>> tall
>> for me, Esp with a helmet.
>> The C4 seat with the spring removed is about as low as you can get
>> without
>> cutting the floorplan.
>>
>> Michael
>> On Sep 21, 2015 7:50 PM, "Himes, Terry (397C)"
>> <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I also have those. They lined up well and used the Pantera rails I
>>> believe. Mine are all black.
>>>
>>> More than willing to sell them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life *
>>>
>>> * exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried*
>>>
>>> * to contact us!"*
>>>
>>>
>>> *Terry W. Himes *
>>>
>>> *JPL** Jet Propulsion Laboratory*
>>>
>>> *InSight Sequence Team Lead*
>>>
>>> *Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead*
>>>
>>> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>>>
>>> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>>>
>>> Fax: (818) 393-3147
>>>
>>> *thimes at jpl.nasa.gov <thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>*
>>>
>>> ??
>>>
>>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Michael
>>> Shortt <
>>> michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:13 PM
>>> To: bob Radefeld <bob at radefeld.com>
>>> Cc: POCA <detomaso at poca.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>>>
>>> Bob,
>>>
>>> My seats ( made by Gary Herrig ) are from a C4 Corvette, a lot more
>>> plentiful than Fire seats with lots of aftermarket seat cover
>>> options.
>>>
>>> Michael Shortt
>>> On Sep 21, 2015 5:17 PM, "Bob Radefeld" <bob at radefeld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello fellow Forum members,
>>> Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I actually
>>> have a
>>> question that has not already been discussed recently on the
>>> Forum. I
>>> know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your car &
>>> I would
>>> really like to get some information on how you accomplished
>>> this & how
>>> well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of you
>>> could
>>> share your experience with me in this endeavor it would be
>>> greatly
>>> appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a winter
>>> project
>>> this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas. THANKS
>>> for any in
>>> site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>>> Bob Radefeld A #5042A
>>> Topeka, Ks.
>>> [1]bob at radefeld.com
>>> [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. mailto:bob at radefeld.com <bob at radefeld.com>
>>> 2. tel:785-478-9360
>>>
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>> -------------- next part --------------
>> In my case, I have more torso than legs, even the stock seats are
>> too
>> tall for me, Esp with a helmet.
>> The C4 seat with the spring removed is about as low as you can
>> get
>> without cutting the floorplan.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2015 7:50 PM, "Himes, Terry (397C)"
>> <[1]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>
>> I also have those.A They lined up well and used the Pantera
>> rails I
>> believe.A Mine are all black.
>> More than willing to sell them.
>>
>> "SometimesA IA think the surest signs that intelligent lifeA
>>
>> A exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
>>
>> A to contact us!"
>>
>> Terry W. HimesA
>>
>> JPLA Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>>
>> InSight Sequence Team Lead
>>
>> Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
>>
>> Phone: [2](818) 393-6261
>>
>> Cell:A A A A [3](818) 653-8213
>>
>> Fax:A A A A [4](818) 393-3147
>>
>> [5]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>>
>> d--od-,
>> From: DeTomaso <[6]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of
>> Michael
>> Shortt <[7]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>> Date: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:13 PM
>> To: bob Radefeld <[8]bob at radefeld.com>
>> Cc: POCA <[9]detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> Bob,
>> My seats ( made by Gary Herrig ) are from a C4 Corvette, a lot
>> more
>> plentiful than Fire seats with lots of aftermarket seat cover
>> options.
>> Michael Shortt
>> On Sep 21, 2015 5:17 PM, "Bob Radefeld" <[10]bob at radefeld.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> A A A A Hello fellow Forum members,
>>
>> A A A A Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I
>> actually
>> have a
>>
>> A A A A question that has not already been discussed recently on
>> the
>> Forum. I
>>
>> A A A A know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your
>> car &
>> I would
>>
>> A A A A really like to get some information on how you
>> accomplished
>> this & how
>>
>> A A A A well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of
>> you
>> could
>>
>> A A A A share your experience with me in this endeavor it would
>> be
>> greatly
>>
>> A A A A appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a
>> winter
>> project
>>
>> A A A A this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas.
>> THANKS
>> for any in
>>
>> A A A A site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>>
>> A A A A Bob Radefeld AA A #5042A
>>
>> A A A A Topeka, Ks.
>>
>> A A A A [1][11]bob at radefeld.com
>>
>> A A A A [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>>
>> References
>>
>> A A A A 1. [12]mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>>
>> A A A A 2. tel:[13]785-478-9360
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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>> 3. tel:%28818%29%20653-8213
>> 4. tel:%28818%29%20393-3147
>> 5. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>> 6. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>> 7. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
>> 8. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>> 9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 10. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>> 11. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>> 12. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>> 13. tel:785-478-9360
>> 14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 19:36:45 -0500
>> From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>> To: Douglas Kelm <dakelm at qwest.net>
>> Cc: Bob Radefeld <bob at radefeld.com>, "detomaso at poca com"
>> <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> Message-ID:
>> <CANX29aVSYtBwPva=3H=BLsL7oEP_amYAQHHiC_jk=e3su8cgbw at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Douglas Kelm <dakelm at qwest.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> These are MrMikes covered Fiero seats that I was going to put in my
>>> car
>>> (since sold), but discovered (too late) that I was too tall! You
>>> lose 2
>>> 3/8" of head room over the stock seats, so take that into account.
>>> These
>>> seats were in near mint condition prior to recovering and have only
>>> been
>>> trial fitted in a car - like new condition. They come with custom
>>> fabricated adapter bars which will bolt directly to stock sliders -
>>> plug
>>> and play. They also have the speakers in the headrests (first two
>>> years of
>>> Fiero production only) and come with the pigtail connectors. Boxed
>>> and
>>> ready to ship. If interested, email me directly at:
>>> dakelm at qwest.net
>>> Fiero seats were made for Pontiac by the Lear Corp (the jet people)
>>> and are
>>> excellently constructed.
>>>
>>> Doug Kelm
>>> Minneapolis, MN
>>>
>> BTW, the Fiero seats are very comfy. Dougs look like the spacer
>> adapters
>> are very well thought out and made.
>>
>> Jeff
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Douglas Kelm
>> <[1]dakelm at qwest.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> These are MrMikes covered Fiero seats that I was going to put in
>> my car
>> (since sold), but discovered (too late) that I was too tall! You
>> lose 2
>> 3/8" of head room over the stock seats, so take that into
>> account.
>> These seats were in near mint condition prior to recovering and
>> have
>> only been trial fitted in a car - like new condition. They come
>> with
>> custom fabricated adapter bars which will bolt directly to stock
>> sliders - plug and play. They also have the speakers in the
>> headrests
>> (first two years of Fiero production only) and come with the
>> pigtail
>> connectors. Boxed and ready to ship. If interested, email me
>> directly
>> at:A [2]dakelm at qwest.netA Fiero seats were made for Pontiac by
>> the
>> Lear Corp (the jet people) and are excellently constructed.
>> Doug Kelm
>> Minneapolis, MN
>>
>> BTW, the Fiero seats are very comfy. Dougs look like the spacer
>> adapters are very well thought out and made.
>> Jeff
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:dakelm at qwest.net
>> 2. mailto:dakelm at qwest.net
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 20:17:23 -0500
>> From: "Douglas Kelm" <dakelm at qwest.net>
>> To: "'Jeff Detrich'" <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "'Bob Radefeld'" <bob at radefeld.com>, "'detomaso at poca com'"
>> <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> Message-ID: <00ff01d0f4d4$70089880$5019c980$@net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Thanks Jeff. I just want to point out that more than a little design
>> and fabrication went into those adapter bars. First off, they are not
>> interchangeable, passenger and driver side. The passenger side is
>> offset to avoid interference with the parking brake handle enclosure
>> (aided by a redesign of the pivot bolt to gain more clearance). So,
>> FWIW, installing Fiero seats in a Pantera is a little more involved
>> than what it may seem like. Also, you may be able to pick up a little
>> headroom by eliminating the spacers under the stock sliders, and, of
>> course, there?s always the option of dropping the floor pans it you
>> are particularly long in the torso.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>> From: Jeff Detrich [mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:37 PM
>> To: Douglas Kelm
>> Cc: Bob Radefeld; detomaso at poca com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Douglas Kelm <dakelm at qwest.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> These are MrMikes covered Fiero seats that I was going to put in my
>> car (since sold), but discovered (too late) that I was too tall! You
>> lose 2 3/8" of head room over the stock seats, so take that into
>> account. These seats were in near mint condition prior to recovering
>> and have only been trial fitted in a car - like new condition. They
>> come with custom fabricated adapter bars which will bolt directly to
>> stock sliders - plug and play. They also have the speakers in the
>> headrests (first two years of Fiero production only) and come with
>> the pigtail connectors. Boxed and ready to ship. If interested, email
>> me directly at: dakelm at qwest.net Fiero seats were made for Pontiac
>> by the Lear Corp (the jet people) and are excellently constructed.
>>
>> Doug Kelm
>> Minneapolis, MN
>>
>>
>> BTW, the Fiero seats are very comfy. Dougs look like the spacer
>> adapters are very well thought out and made.
>>
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> Thanks Jeff. I just want to point out that more than a little
>> design
>> and fabrication went into those adapter bars. First off, they are
>> not
>> interchangeable, passenger and driver side. The passenger side is
>> offset to avoid interference with the parking brake handle
>> enclosure
>> (aided by a redesign of the pivot bolt to gain more clearance).
>> So,
>> FWIW, installing Fiero seats in a Pantera is a little more
>> involved
>> than what it may seem like. Also, you may be able to pick up a
>> little
>> headroom by eliminating the spacers under the stock sliders, and,
>> of
>> course, there's always the option of dropping the floor pans it
>> you are
>> particularly long in the torso.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>> From: Jeff Detrich [mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:37 PM
>> To: Douglas Kelm
>> Cc: Bob Radefeld; detomaso at poca com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Douglas Kelm
>> <[1]dakelm at qwest.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> These are MrMikes covered Fiero seats that I was going to put in
>> my car
>> (since sold), but discovered (too late) that I was too tall! You
>> lose 2
>> 3/8" of head room over the stock seats, so take that into
>> account.
>> These seats were in near mint condition prior to recovering and
>> have
>> only been trial fitted in a car - like new condition. They come
>> with
>> custom fabricated adapter bars which will bolt directly to stock
>> sliders - plug and play. They also have the speakers in the
>> headrests
>> (first two years of Fiero production only) and come with the
>> pigtail
>> connectors. Boxed and ready to ship. If interested, email me
>> directly
>> at: [2]dakelm at qwest.net Fiero seats were made for Pontiac by
>> the Lear
>> Corp (the jet people) and are excellently constructed.
>> Doug Kelm
>> Minneapolis, MN
>>
>> BTW, the Fiero seats are very comfy. Dougs look like the spacer
>> adapters are very well thought out and made.
>>
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:dakelm at qwest.net
>> 2. mailto:dakelm at qwest.net
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 22:09:53 -0500
>> From: Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com>
>> To: Pantera List <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC
>> Message-ID:
>> <CA+d1_LFTnOozQq4Tm9_5KOyR-aT-eOP9nc1O9T4tWj+pU5kWFw at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Sorry, just testing new email account settings.
>>
>> Paul
>> #9270
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> Sorry, just testing new email account settings.
>> Paul
>> #9270
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 22:44:49 -0500
>> From: "Jim Gray" <grayjim at cox.net>
>> To: "Michael Shortt" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>, "bob Radefeld"
>> <bob at radefeld.com>
>> Cc: "detomaso at poca com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>> Message-ID: <03590D3D29434350A6BB344876D7E405 at AdminPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> I'm with you Michael. I've had Corvette seats in my car for many
>> years after
>> two long distance drives from OK to Santa Fe told me "no more!" for
>> the
>> stock seats. I did have one of our Pantera brethren in the Houston
>> club
>> reweld the stock brackets so the driver's seat was centered behind
>> the wheel
>> and the passenger seat was moved a far right as possible. Works quite
>> well.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> Jim Gray
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Shortt
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:13 PM
>> To: bob Radefeld
>> Cc: detomaso at poca com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fiero seats in a Pantera
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> My seats ( made by Gary Herrig ) are from a C4 Corvette, a lot more
>> plentiful than Fire seats with lots of aftermarket seat cover
>> options.
>>
>> Michael Shortt
>> On Sep 21, 2015 5:17 PM, "Bob Radefeld" <bob at radefeld.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello fellow Forum members,
>>> Being a daily Forum lurker it is very seldom that I actually
>>> have a
>>> question that has not already been discussed recently on the
>>> Forum. I
>>> know that some of you have installed Fiero seats in your car & I
>>> would
>>> really like to get some information on how you accomplished this
>>> & how
>>> well you like them compared to the stock seats. If any of you
>>> could
>>> share your experience with me in this endeavor it would be
>>> greatly
>>> appreciated. I'm planning on possibly doing this as a winter
>>> project
>>> this year when the snow starts flying here in Kansas. THANKS for
>>> any in
>>> site that any of you are willing to share with me! :o))
>>> Bob Radefeld A #5042A
>>> Topeka, Ks.
>>> [1]bob at radefeld.com
>>> [2]785-478-9360A A (cell)
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. mailto:bob at radefeld.com
>>> 2. tel:785-478-9360
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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>>> etc.) use
>>> the links above.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> the links above.
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 00:40:53 -0700
>> From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
>> To: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>, San Diego Panteras
>> <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>, Don Byars <preprobro at aol.com>, Bruce
>> Singer <iamhp005 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Marvic Wheel 10x15 Campi Update
>> Message-ID: <C3CD94EC-7B89-4825-978F-D67E7A990507 at mac.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> All,
>>
>> My friends at Marvic have informed me that they just started casting
>> the first of the Campi 10x15 long rib design, and the 8x15 fronts and
>> they are taking deposits. The cost will be ?1500 for the 10x15 each
>> and ?1280 for the 8x15 each.
>>
>> The 10x15 short alternating rib design will be come soon as well with
>> similar price points. They will send me pictures of the finished
>> products when complete.
>>
>> Please contact Marvic directly for the deposit information and to get
>> you name on the list.
>>
>> mailto:info at marvic.it
>>
>> tel:+39-0332%20463386
>>
>> Regards, Ed
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> All,
>> My friends at Marvic have informed me that they just started
>> casting
>> the first of the Campi 10x15 long rib design, and the 8x15 fronts
>> and
>> they are taking deposits. The cost will be EUR1500 for the 10x15
>> each
>> and EUR1280 for the 8x15 each.
>> The 10x15 short alternating rib design will be come soon as well
>> with
>> similar price points. They will send me pictures of the finished
>> products when complete.
>> Please contact Marvic directly for the deposit information and to
>> get
>> you name on the list.
>> [1]mailto:info at marvic.it
>>
>> [2]tel:+39-0332%20463386
>>
>> Regards, Ed
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:info at marvic.it
>> 2. tel:+39-0332%20463386
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 15
>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 09:51:11 -0700
>> From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>> To: "List DeTomaso" <Detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>> Message-ID: <9EBDFD5FC6C6461E8CC00F55CA11ED4E at BOSS3A>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>> I have been researching the period around when the Pantera was new,
>>
>> including the challenge to produce the first mid-engined large-volume
>> production sports car,
>>
>> with Ford racing to beat Chevy with their mid-engine Corvette, and
>> AMC with their AMX/3, to market.
>>
>>
>> As a side note I received fresh photos of a car that some may not
>> know about - the Boomerang.
>>
>>
>> You know Giorgetto Giugiaro designed the Mangusta.
>>
>> You know Tom Tjaarda designed the Pantera body to go over the Paolo
>> Dallara chassis.
>>
>>
>> Now what if Giorgetto Giugiaro was turned loose to design the
>> Pantera?
>>
>> What did he envision the future might look like?
>>
>>
>> We are not talking about a prototype body but this is a running,
>> registered, driving car.
>>
>>
>> On the Registry "cover" page (Member Main) is a link to the Giorgetto
>> Giugiaro designed Maserati Boomerang.
>>
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>>
>> Chuck Melton
>>
>>
>>
>> The De Tomaso Registry Guy
>>
>> http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
>>
>>
>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>>
>> I have been researching the period around when the Pantera was
>> new,
>>
>> including the challenge to produce the first mid-engined
>> large-volume
>> production sports car,
>>
>> with Ford racing to beat Chevy with their mid-engine Corvette,
>> and AMC
>> with their AMX/3, to market.
>>
>>
>> As a side note I received fresh photos of a car that some may not
>> know
>> about - the Boomerang.
>>
>>
>> You know Giorgetto Giugiaro designed the Mangusta.
>>
>> You know Tom Tjaarda designed the Pantera body to go over the
>> Paolo
>> Dallara chassis.
>>
>>
>> Now what if Giorgetto Giugiaro was turned loose to design the
>> Pantera?
>>
>> What did he envision the future might look like?
>>
>>
>> We are not talking about a prototype body but this is a running,
>> registered, driving car.
>>
>>
>> On the Registry "cover" page (Member Main) is a link to the
>> Giorgetto
>> Giugiaro designed Maserati Boomerang.
>>
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>>
>> Chuck Melton
>>
>>
>>
>> The De Tomaso Registry Guy
>>
>> [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 16
>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 11:54:12 -0500
>> From: Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com>
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>> Message-ID: <560187B4.1070102 at pobox.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>
>> This has a very strange steering wheel/dash.
>>
>> Paul
>> #9270
>>
>> On 9/22/2015 11:51 AM, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote:
>>> Maserati Boomerang
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 17
>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 13:04:53 -0400
>> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>> To: Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com>
>> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>> Message-ID: <67D8DBED-C805-40CE-9DB3-A255BA36286A at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> I have that car in a large coffee table book on concept cars. It's
>> one of the best in the book.
>>
>> The cover has the car that Foose's son copied with a Pantera as a
>> base.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This has a very strange steering wheel/dash.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>> #9270
>>>
>>>> On 9/22/2015 11:51 AM, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote:
>>>> Maserati Boomerang
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 18
>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 10:18:20 -0700
>> From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Paul Timko'" <thedrol at pobox.com>
>> Cc: "List DeTomaso" <Detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>> Message-ID: <BF1597765B59432C8DDEAECB8ED97019 at BOSS3A>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>>
>> Doesn't the steering wheel concept look like a harbinger of the
>> modern
>> "all in your hands" steering wheel of Formula 1 today?
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> This has a very strange steering wheel/dash.
>>
>> Paul
>> #9270
>>
>> On 9/22/2015 11:51 AM, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote:
>>> Maserati Boomerang
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 19
>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 17:44:07 +0000
>> From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>> To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>, List
>> DeTomaso <Detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>> Message-ID: <D226E140.7E7F8%thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Wow! Looks like?gulp? dare I say it. a DeLoren (sp?)
>>
>>
>> "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
>> exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
>> to contact us!"
>>
>> Terry W. Himes
>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>> InSight Sequence Team Lead
>> Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
>> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>> Fax: (818) 393-3147
>> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>> ??
>>
>> From: DeTomaso
>> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on
>> behalf of The DeTomaso Registry Guy
>> <detomasoregistry at gmail.com<mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com>>
>> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 9:51 AM
>> To: POCA <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>>
>>
>> I have been researching the period around when the Pantera was new,
>>
>> including the challenge to produce the first mid-engined large-volume
>> production sports car,
>>
>> with Ford racing to beat Chevy with their mid-engine Corvette, and
>> AMC with their AMX/3, to market.
>>
>>
>> As a side note I received fresh photos of a car that some may not
>> know about - the Boomerang.
>>
>>
>> You know Giorgetto Giugiaro designed the Mangusta.
>>
>> You know Tom Tjaarda designed the Pantera body to go over the Paolo
>> Dallara chassis.
>>
>>
>> Now what if Giorgetto Giugiaro was turned loose to design the
>> Pantera?
>>
>> What did he envision the future might look like?
>>
>>
>> We are not talking about a prototype body but this is a running,
>> registered, driving car.
>>
>>
>> On the Registry "cover" page (Member Main) is a link to the Giorgetto
>> Giugiaro designed Maserati Boomerang.
>>
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>>
>> Chuck Melton
>>
>>
>>
>> The De Tomaso Registry Guy
>>
>> http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> Wow! Looks like...gulp... dare I say it. a DeLoren (sp?)
>>
>> "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
>>
>> exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
>>
>> to contact us!"
>>
>> Terry W. Himes
>>
>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>>
>> InSight Sequence Team Lead
>>
>> Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
>>
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>>
>> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>>
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>> [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of The
>> DeTomaso
>> Registry Guy <[3]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 9:51 AM
>> To: POCA <[4]detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>>
>> I have been researching the period around when the Pantera was
>> new,
>> including the challenge to produce the first mid-engined
>> large-volume
>> production sports car,
>> with Ford racing to beat Chevy with their mid-engine Corvette,
>> and AMC
>> with their AMX/3, to market.
>> As a side note I received fresh photos of a car that some may not
>> know
>> about - the Boomerang.
>> You know Giorgetto Giugiaro designed the Mangusta.
>> You know Tom Tjaarda designed the Pantera body to go over the
>> Paolo
>> Dallara chassis.
>> Now what if Giorgetto Giugiaro was turned loose to design the
>> Pantera?
>> What did he envision the future might look like?
>> We are not talking about a prototype body but this is a running,
>> registered, driving car.
>> On the Registry "cover" page (Member Main) is a link to the
>> Giorgetto
>> Giugiaro designed Maserati Boomerang.
>> Enjoy,
>> Chuck Melton
>> The De Tomaso Registry Guy
>> [5]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>> 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
>> 3. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
>> 4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> 5. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 20
>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 13:46:00 -0400
>> From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
>> To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>> Cc: List DeTomaso <Detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAEr4y_uWzfst2+h6yTU81qpKuoPrFdLUk-LAm0qbv_CN4N9BGw at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> That would be scary-deadly side impact!
>>
>> Thanks for sharing, Chuck.
>>
>> Rob DuMoulin
>> 904.476.8744
>> rob at dumoulins.net
>> www.kbsi.co
>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 12:51 PM, The DeTomaso Registry Guy <
>> detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> That would be scary-deadly side impact!
>> Thanks for sharing, Chuck.
>> Rob DuMoulin
>> 904.476.8744
>> [1]rob at dumoulins.net
>> [2]www.kbsi.co
>> [3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 12:51 PM, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
>> <[4]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> A A
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
>> 2. http://www.kbsi.co/
>> 3. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>> 4. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 21
>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 10:54:36 -0700
>> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>> To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>> Cc: List DeTomaso <Detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>> Message-ID: <A07C5D69-1C68-431F-8868-8A0BDEB73164 at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> I e seen this car in the flesh several times. It's very extreme and
>> likely VERY hot inside. But it's certainly distinctive!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 9:51, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
>> <detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been researching the period around when the Pantera was
>>> new,
>>>
>>> including the challenge to produce the first mid-engined
>>> large-volume
>>> production sports car,
>>>
>>> with Ford racing to beat Chevy with their mid-engine Corvette,
>>> and AMC
>>> with their AMX/3, to market.
>>>
>>>
>>> As a side note I received fresh photos of a car that some may not
>>> know
>>> about - the Boomerang.
>>>
>>>
>>> You know Giorgetto Giugiaro designed the Mangusta.
>>>
>>> You know Tom Tjaarda designed the Pantera body to go over the
>>> Paolo
>>> Dallara chassis.
>>>
>>>
>>> Now what if Giorgetto Giugiaro was turned loose to design the
>>> Pantera?
>>>
>>> What did he envision the future might look like?
>>>
>>>
>>> We are not talking about a prototype body but this is a running,
>>> registered, driving car.
>>>
>>>
>>> On the Registry "cover" page (Member Main) is a link to the
>>> Giorgetto
>>> Giugiaro designed Maserati Boomerang.
>>>
>>>
>>> Enjoy,
>>>
>>>
>>> Chuck Melton
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The De Tomaso Registry Guy
>>>
>>> [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
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>>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 22
>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 18:14:13 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>> To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, Paul Timko
>> <thedrol at pobox.com>
>> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>> Message-ID:
>> <1029613244.1685587.1442945653981.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Reminds me of the "Star?" Pantera Chip Foose's father built that was
>> based on the?design of the?1968 Alfa Romeo Carabo:
>> http://95octane.com/2014/07/18/1972-sam-foose-pantera-for-sale/
>> A steath Pantera to evade police radar?
>> Ken
>> ? From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>> To: Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com>
>> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 10:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>> I have that car in a large coffee table book on concept cars.?
>> It's one of the best in the book.
>>
>> The cover has the car that Foose's son copied with a Pantera as a
>> base.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This has a very strange steering wheel/dash.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>> #9270
>>>
>>>> On 9/22/2015 11:51 AM, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote:
>>>> Maserati Boomerang
>>>
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>> -------------- next part --------------
>> Reminds me of the "Star?" Pantera Chip Foose's father built that
>> was
>> based on the design of the 1968 Alfa Romeo Carabo:
>>
>> [1]http://95octane.com/2014/07/18/1972-sam-foose-pantera-for-sale/
>> A steath Pantera to evade police radar?
>> Ken
>>
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>> To: Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com>
>> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 10:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>> I have that car in a large coffee table book on concept cars.
>> It's one
>> of the best in the book.
>> The cover has the car that Foose's son copied with a Pantera as a
>> base.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Paul Timko <[2]thedrol at pobox.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This has a very strange steering wheel/dash.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>> #9270
>>>
>>>> On 9/22/2015 11:51 AM, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote:
>>>> Maserati Boomerang
>>>
>>>
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>> References
>>
>> 1.
>> http://95octane.com/2014/07/18/1972-sam-foose-pantera-for-sale/
>> 2. mailto:thedrol at pobox.com
>> 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 23
>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 11:21:30 -0700
>> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Himes, Terry 397C" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>, The DeTomaso
>> Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>, De Tomaso List
>> <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>> Message-ID: <BAY173-W32C5AF083D31D8DEDED77A95450 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Not surprising then that Giugiaro designed the DeLorean DMC-12
>> From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
>> To: detomasoregistry at gmail.com; Detomaso at poca.com
>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 17:44:07 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>>
>> Wow! Looks like?gulp? dare I say it. a DeLoren (sp?)
>> "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
>> exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
>> to contact us!"
>> Terry W. Himes
>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>> InSight Sequence Team Lead
>> Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
>> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>> Fax: (818) 393-3147
>> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>> ??
>> From: DeTomaso
>> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on
>> behalf of The DeTomaso Registry Guy
>> <detomasoregistry at gmail.com<mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com>>
>> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 9:51 AM
>> To: POCA <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>> I have been researching the period around when the Pantera was
>> new,
>> including the challenge to produce the first mid-engined
>> large-volume production sports car,
>> with Ford racing to beat Chevy with their mid-engine Corvette, and
>> AMC with their AMX/3, to market.
>> As a side note I received fresh photos of a car that some may not
>> know about - the Boomerang.
>> You know Giorgetto Giugiaro designed the Mangusta.
>> You know Tom Tjaarda designed the Pantera body to go over the Paolo
>> Dallara chassis.
>> Now what if Giorgetto Giugiaro was turned loose to design the
>> Pantera?
>> What did he envision the future might look like?
>> We are not talking about a prototype body but this is a running,
>> registered, driving car.
>> On the Registry "cover" page (Member Main) is a link to the
>> Giorgetto Giugiaro designed Maserati Boomerang.
>> Enjoy,
>> Chuck Melton
>> The De Tomaso Registry Guy
>> http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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>> -------------- next part --------------
>> Not surprising then that Giugiaro designed the DeLorean DMC-12
>>
>> From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
>> To: detomasoregistry at gmail.com; Detomaso at poca.com
>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 17:44:07 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>> Wow! Looks likea|gulpa| dare I say it. a DeLoren (sp?)
>>
>>
>> "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
>> exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
>> to contact us!"
>>
>> Terry W. Himes
>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>> InSight Sequence Team Lead
>> Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
>> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>> Fax: (818) 393-3147
>> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>> Regional indicator for USA
>>
>> From: DeTomaso
>> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on
>> behalf of The DeTomaso Registry Guy
>> <detomasoregistry at gmail.com<mailto:detomasor
>> egistry at gmail.com>>
>> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 9:51 AM
>> To: POCA <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Alternate possibilities to the Pantera
>>
>>
>> I have been researching the period around when the Pantera was new,
>>
>> including the challenge to produce the first mid-engined large-volume
>> production
>> sports car,
>>
>> with Ford racing to beat Chevy with their mid-engine Corvette, and
>> AMC with thei
>> r AMX/3, to market.
>>
>>
>> As a side note I received fresh photos of a car that some may not
>> know about - t
>> he Boomerang.
>>
>>
>> You know Giorgetto Giugiaro designed the Mangusta.
>>
>> You know Tom Tjaarda designed the Pantera body to go over the Paolo
>> Dallara chas
>> sis.
>>
>>
>> Now what if Giorgetto Giugiaro was turned loose to design the
>> Pantera?
>>
>> What did he envision the future might look like?
>>
>>
>> We are not talking about a prototype body but this is a running,
>> registered, dri
>> ving car.
>>
>>
>> On the Registry "cover" page (Member Main) is a link to the Giorgetto
>> Giugiaro d
>> esigned Maserati Boomerang.
>>
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>>
>> Chuck Melton
>>
>>
>>
>> The De Tomaso Registry Guy
>>
>> [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum
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>>
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