[DeTomaso] Rear Glass

Julian Kift julian_kift at hotmail.com
Mon Sep 14 14:12:58 EDT 2015 

Good idea, what you suggest is like a Pantera Owners website with a discussion forum where all that can be located, oh wait we have that and no one uses it......
 
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 13:48:52 -0400
From: rob at dumoulins.net
To: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
CC: MikeLDrew at aol.com; kenn_green at yahoo.com; jderyke at aol.com; mbefthomas at comcast.net; DeTomaso at poca.com

Terry,
 
I agree that a wiki approach for the Pantera would be great. Are you
suggesting adding topics to the global wikipedia are creating a private
wiki site?
 
Imagine if each of us could put in particular mods with part numbers and a
brief description of function/fit and the site was organized by system
(cooling, suspension, glass, transmission, brakes, A/C, interior, exterior,
electrical, etc.) and part (brake rotor, caliper, brake lines, master
cylinder, brake fluid).
 
I often wondered what all my options are for rebuilding a certain component
of my car (and I am close to having addressed every one of them so far) and
probably could have saved some time and money if such a knowledge base
existed.  I certainly would have been able to make better decisions along
the way, at least when I did not pose a question to the group here..
 
Rob DuMoulin
904.476.8744
rob at dumoulins.net
www.kbsi.co
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On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) <
terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
 
> Ya kow.. you guys are a encyclopedia of Pantera tribal knowledge.  I was
> thinking, since our Pantera's are going
> to be around for a long time we should start WikiPedia for Pantera's.  The
> MediaWiki it's is built on is free.   I set one
> up for JPL and we use it to capture the same kind of tribal knowledge
> about spaceflight.   Hmmmm?   Internally we
> don't need it monitored and everyone is authenticated.   But on the
> Internet it would have to be monitored.  I think
> I head that Wikipedia gets 7000 updates every hour, 24/7.  (I might not
> remember correctly, but a lot)   It wouldn't
> be open to the public, but probably should use the POCA login. ?
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
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> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of POCA <
> detomaso at poca.com>
> Reply-To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 11:26 AM
> To: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
> Cc: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "jderyke at aol.com" <jderyke at aol.com>,
> "mbefthomas at comcast.net" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>, POCA <detomaso at poca.com
> >
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>
> I'm glad jack reminded us. It's Ron Wade who sells double rear
> windows--presumably two pieces of safety glass. Your glass shop can
> probably replicate that though?
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 11, 2015, at 9:39, Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
>
>    That was my confusion last night with the replies.
>    Rob DuMoulin
>    904.476.8744
>    [1]rob at dumoulins.net
>    [2]www.kbsi.co
>    [3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>    On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Ken Green <[4]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>    wrote:
>    I thought standard automotive window glass wasA two layers of safety
>    glass with an adhesive between them?A
>    That is not the same as double pane residential glass that have a gas
>    filled gap between theA panes.
>    Ken
>    A
>      __________________________________________________________________
>    From: Will Kooiman <[5]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>    To: [6]jderyke at aol.com; [7]mbefthomas at comcast.net;
>    [8]ehpantera at yahoo.com; [9]rob at dumoulins.net; [10]DeTomaso at poca.com
>    Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 4:19 AM
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>    A  My glass had the same thickness as the original.A  Maybe it isn't
>    double
>    A  pane.A  I told the glass shop what I needed, and they said, "Oh, you
>    A  need double pane safety glass."
>    A  The bummer was that I polished the original glass, and it looked
>    A  perfect.A  I broke it while I was reinstalling it.A  That's why I
>    had to
>    A  buy new glass in the first place.
>    A  Kirby - I may have used the same guy you used.A  The shop is
>    Woodlands
>    A  Car Care, on Budde Rd, just south of Sawdust.
>    A  From: <[1][11]jderyke at aol.com>
>    A  Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 at 2:56 AM
>    A  To: <[2][12]mbefthomas at comcast.net>, Will Kooiman
>    A  <[3][13]will.kooiman at gmail.com>, <[4][14]ehpantera at yahoo.com>,
>    A  <[5][15]rob at dumoulins.net>, <[6][16]DeTomaso at poca.com>
>    A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>    A  Short answer: yes. I used my OEM 1972 rubber gasket with no
>    problems.
>    A  And you get to choose whether the secondary pane protrudes into the
>    A  cockpit or into the engine bay. The distance is about 1/4" so its no
>    A  big deal.
>    Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?
>    A  -----Original Message-----
>    A  From: Mike Thomas <[7][17]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>    A  To: 'Will Kooiman' <[8][18]will.kooiman at gmail.com>; 'mark skwarek'
>    A  <[9][19]ehpantera at yahoo.com>; jderyke <[10][20]jderyke at aol.com>; rob
>    A  <[11][21]rob at dumoulins.net>; DeTomaso <[12][22]DeTomaso at poca.com>
>    A  Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2015 5:18 pm
>    A  Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>    Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?
>    -----Original
>    Message-----
>    From: DeTomaso [[13]mailto:[23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> <[23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>] On Behalf Of
>    Will Kooiman
>    Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:59 PM
>    To: mark skwarek
>    <[14][24]ehpantera at yahoo.com>; [15][25]jderyke at aol.com;
>    [16][26]rob at dumoulins.net;
>    [17][27]DeTomaso at poca.com
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>    I
>    had double pane safety glass made at a local glass shop.A  Mine was
>    cracked, so
>    they could use it as a template.
>    It was cheap too - under $100, if I recall
>    correctly.
>    On 9/10/15, 5:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of mark skwarek via
>    DeTomaso"
>    <[18][28]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of
>    [19][29]detomaso at poca.com>
>    wrote:
>
> A  Some racing organizations require a non-combustible material
>
>    separate
>
> A  the engine compartment from the passenger compartment.
>
>    Mark
>
> A  On Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:00 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
>
>    <[20][30]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>
> A  A  FWIW, Larry Stock of PPC-Reno sells an exact
>
>    Lexan repro. Ron Wade in
>
> A  A  WA made a few double-pane rear windows for extra
>
>    sound deadening; I
>
> A  A  have one.A  Normally the rear window never gives
>
>    trouble except during
>
> A  A  an engine pull when the distributor cap is left in
>
>    place & contacts
>
> A  the
> A  A  window during the pull.A  One owner found that
>
>    Weber velocity stacks
>
> A  A  also can break the glass during engine removals.
>
>    The window is sort
>
> A  of
> A  A  part of the rear firewall, but in engine
>
>    fires, the glass invariably
>
> A  A  shatters early, so using Lexan likely does
>
>    not degrade the "safety"
>
> A  A  aspect much. Most 'GR-4s' use plexiglas windows
>
>    so the rear legs of
>
> A  the
> A  A  factory roll cage can extend though to the
>
>    rear fenders. One year at
>
> A  A  Bonneville, a Swedish Pantera showed up to run
>
>    like this, and the
>
> A  SCTA
> A  A  Tech Inspectors made them remove the Lexan
>
>    window and substitute a
>
> A  thin
> A  A  galvanized steel sheet!
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>
> A  A  From: Rob Dumoulin <[1][21][31]rob at dumoulins.net>
>
>    To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List <[2][22][32]DeTomaso at poca.com>
>
> A  A  Sent: Thu, Sep
>
>    10, 2015 12:20 pm
>
> A  A  Subject: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
> A  Is there anything
>
>    special about the rear glass?AA  It being flat makes
>
> A  A  me
> A  think that I
>
>    would not have to go through a vendor and get one made
>
> A  A  just for
> A  a
>
>    Pantera.
>
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   Good idea, what you suggest is like a Pantera Owners website with a
   discussion forum where all that can be located, oh wait we have that
   and no one uses it......

   Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 13:48:52 -0400
   From: rob at dumoulins.net
   To: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
   CC: MikeLDrew at aol.com; kenn_green at yahoo.com; jderyke at aol.com;
   mbefthomas at comcast.net; DeTomaso at poca.com
Terry,

I agree that a wiki approach for the Pantera would be great. Are you
suggesting adding topics to the global wikipedia are creating a private
wiki site?

Imagine if each of us could put in particular mods with part numbers and a
brief description of function/fit and the site was organized by system
(cooling, suspension, glass, transmission, brakes, A/C, interior, exterior,
electrical, etc.) and part (brake rotor, caliper, brake lines, master
cylinder, brake fluid).

I often wondered what all my options are for rebuilding a certain component
of my car (and I am close to having addressed every one of them so far) and
probably could have saved some time and money if such a knowledge base
existed.  I certainly would have been able to make better decisions along
the way, at least when I did not pose a question to the group here..

Rob DuMoulin
904.476.8744
rob at dumoulins.net
www.kbsi.co
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On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) <
terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:

> Ya kow.. you guys are a encyclopedia of Pantera tribal knowledge.  I was
> thinking, since our Pantera's are going
> to be around for a long time we should start WikiPedia for Pantera's.  The
> MediaWiki it's is built on is free.   I set one
> up for JPL and we use it to capture the same kind of tribal knowledge
> about spaceflight.   Hmmmm?   Internally we
> don't need it monitored and everyone is authenticated.   But on the
> Internet it would have to be monitored.  I think
> I head that Wikipedia gets 7000 updates every hour, 24/7.  (I might not
> remember correctly, but a lot)   It wouldn't
> be open to the public, but probably should use the POCA login. ?
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> *"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life *
>
> *  exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried*
>
> *  to contact us!"*
>
>
> *Terry W. Himes *
>
> *JPL** Jet Propulsion Laboratory*
>
> *InSight Sequence Team Lead*
>
> *Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead*
>
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>
> Cell:     (818) 653-8213
>
> Fax:     (818) 393-3147
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> *thimes at jpl.nasa.gov <thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>*
>
>  Regional indicator for USA
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of POCA <
> detomaso at poca.com>
> Reply-To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 11:26 AM
> To: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
> Cc: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "jderyke at aol.com" <jderyke at aol.com>,
> "mbefthomas at comcast.net" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>, POCA <detomaso at poca.com
> >
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>
> I'm glad jack reminded us. It's Ron Wade who sells double rear
> windows--presumably two pieces of safety glass. Your glass shop can
> probably replicate that though?
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 11, 2015, at 9:39, Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
>
>    That was my confusion last night with the replies.
>    Rob DuMoulin
>    904.476.8744
>    [1]rob at dumoulins.net
>    [2]www.kbsi.co
>    [3][2]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>    On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Ken Green <[4]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>    wrote:
>    I thought standard automotive window glass wasA two layers of safety
>    glass with an adhesive between them?A
>    That is not the same as double pane residential glass that have a gas
>    filled gap between theA panes.
>    Ken
>    A
>      __________________________________________________________________
>    From: Will Kooiman <[5]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>    To: [6]jderyke at aol.com; [7]mbefthomas at comcast.net;
>    [8]ehpantera at yahoo.com; [9]rob at dumoulins.net; [10]DeTomaso at poca.com
>    Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 4:19 AM
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>    A  My glass had the same thickness as the original.A  Maybe it isn't
>    double
>    A  pane.A  I told the glass shop what I needed, and they said, "Oh, you
>    A  need double pane safety glass."
>    A  The bummer was that I polished the original glass, and it looked
>    A  perfect.A  I broke it while I was reinstalling it.A  That's why I
>    had to
>    A  buy new glass in the first place.
>    A  Kirby - I may have used the same guy you used.A  The shop is
>    Woodlands
>    A  Car Care, on Budde Rd, just south of Sawdust.
>    A  From: <[1][11]jderyke at aol.com>
>    A  Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 at 2:56 AM
>    A  To: <[2][12]mbefthomas at comcast.net>, Will Kooiman
>    A  <[3][13]will.kooiman at gmail.com>, <[4][14]ehpantera at yahoo.com>,
>    A  <[5][15]rob at dumoulins.net>, <[6][16]DeTomaso at poca.com>
>    A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>    A  Short answer: yes. I used my OEM 1972 rubber gasket with no
>    problems.
>    A  And you get to choose whether the secondary pane protrudes into the
>    A  cockpit or into the engine bay. The distance is about 1/4" so its no
>    A  big deal.
>    Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?
>    A  -----Original Message-----
>    A  From: Mike Thomas <[7][17]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>    A  To: 'Will Kooiman' <[8][18]will.kooiman at gmail.com>; 'mark skwarek'
>    A  <[9][19]ehpantera at yahoo.com>; jderyke <[10][20]jderyke at aol.com>; rob
>    A  <[11][21]rob at dumoulins.net>; DeTomaso <[12][22]DeTomaso at poca.com>
>    A  Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2015 5:18 pm
>    A  Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>    Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?
>    -----Original
>    Message-----
>    From: DeTomaso [[13]mailto:[23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> <[23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>] On Behalf Of
>    Will Kooiman
>    Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:59 PM
>    To: mark skwarek
>    <[14][24]ehpantera at yahoo.com>; [15][25]jderyke at aol.com;
>    [16][26]rob at dumoulins.net;
>    [17][27]DeTomaso at poca.com
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>    I
>    had double pane safety glass made at a local glass shop.A  Mine was
>    cracked, so
>    they could use it as a template.
>    It was cheap too - under $100, if I recall
>    correctly.
>    On 9/10/15, 5:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of mark skwarek via
>    DeTomaso"
>    <[18][28]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of
>    [19][29]detomaso at poca.com>
>    wrote:
>
> A  Some racing organizations require a non-combustible material
>
>    separate
>
> A  the engine compartment from the passenger compartment.
>
>    Mark
>
> A  On Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:00 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
>
>    <[20][30]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>
> A  A  FWIW, Larry Stock of PPC-Reno sells an exact
>
>    Lexan repro. Ron Wade in
>
> A  A  WA made a few double-pane rear windows for extra
>
>    sound deadening; I
>
> A  A  have one.A  Normally the rear window never gives
>
>    trouble except during
>
> A  A  an engine pull when the distributor cap is left in
>
>    place & contacts
>
> A  the
> A  A  window during the pull.A  One owner found that
>
>    Weber velocity stacks
>
> A  A  also can break the glass during engine removals.
>
>    The window is sort
>
> A  of
> A  A  part of the rear firewall, but in engine
>
>    fires, the glass invariably
>
> A  A  shatters early, so using Lexan likely does
>
>    not degrade the "safety"
>
> A  A  aspect much. Most 'GR-4s' use plexiglas windows
>
>    so the rear legs of
>
> A  the
> A  A  factory roll cage can extend though to the
>
>    rear fenders. One year at
>
> A  A  Bonneville, a Swedish Pantera showed up to run
>
>    like this, and the
>
> A  SCTA
> A  A  Tech Inspectors made them remove the Lexan
>
>    window and substitute a
>
> A  thin
> A  A  galvanized steel sheet!
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>
> A  A  From: Rob Dumoulin <[1][21][31]rob at dumoulins.net>
>
>    To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List <[2][22][32]DeTomaso at poca.com>
>
> A  A  Sent: Thu, Sep
>
>    10, 2015 12:20 pm
>
> A  A  Subject: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
> A  Is there anything
>
>    special about the rear glass?AA  It being flat makes
>
> A  A  me
> A  think that I
>
>    would not have to go through a vendor and get one made
>
> A  A  just for
> A  a
>
>    Pantera.
>
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