[DeTomaso] Rear Glass
Rob Dumoulin
rob at dumoulins.net
Mon Sep 14 13:48:52 EDT 2015
Terry,
I agree that a wiki approach for the Pantera would be great. Are you
suggesting adding topics to the global wikipedia are creating a private
wiki site?
Imagine if each of us could put in particular mods with part numbers and a
brief description of function/fit and the site was organized by system
(cooling, suspension, glass, transmission, brakes, A/C, interior, exterior,
electrical, etc.) and part (brake rotor, caliper, brake lines, master
cylinder, brake fluid).
I often wondered what all my options are for rebuilding a certain component
of my car (and I am close to having addressed every one of them so far) and
probably could have saved some time and money if such a knowledge base
existed. I certainly would have been able to make better decisions along
the way, at least when I did not pose a question to the group here..
Rob DuMoulin
904.476.8744
rob at dumoulins.net
www.kbsi.co
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On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) <
terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Ya kow.. you guys are a encyclopedia of Pantera tribal knowledge. I was
> thinking, since our Pantera's are going
> to be around for a long time we should start WikiPedia for Pantera's. The
> MediaWiki it's is built on is free. I set one
> up for JPL and we use it to capture the same kind of tribal knowledge
> about spaceflight. Hmmmm? Internally we
> don't need it monitored and everyone is authenticated. But on the
> Internet it would have to be monitored. I think
> I head that Wikipedia gets 7000 updates every hour, 24/7. (I might not
> remember correctly, but a lot) It wouldn't
> be open to the public, but probably should use the POCA login. ?
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
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> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of POCA <
> detomaso at poca.com>
> Reply-To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 11:26 AM
> To: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
> Cc: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "jderyke at aol.com" <jderyke at aol.com>,
> "mbefthomas at comcast.net" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>, POCA <detomaso at poca.com
> >
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
>
> I'm glad jack reminded us. It's Ron Wade who sells double rear
> windows--presumably two pieces of safety glass. Your glass shop can
> probably replicate that though?
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 11, 2015, at 9:39, Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
>
> That was my confusion last night with the replies.
> Rob DuMoulin
> 904.476.8744
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> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Ken Green <[4]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> I thought standard automotive window glass wasA two layers of safety
> glass with an adhesive between them?A
> That is not the same as double pane residential glass that have a gas
> filled gap between theA panes.
> Ken
> A
> __________________________________________________________________
> From: Will Kooiman <[5]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: [6]jderyke at aol.com; [7]mbefthomas at comcast.net;
> [8]ehpantera at yahoo.com; [9]rob at dumoulins.net; [10]DeTomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 4:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
> A My glass had the same thickness as the original.A Maybe it isn't
> double
> A pane.A I told the glass shop what I needed, and they said, "Oh, you
> A need double pane safety glass."
> A The bummer was that I polished the original glass, and it looked
> A perfect.A I broke it while I was reinstalling it.A That's why I
> had to
> A buy new glass in the first place.
> A Kirby - I may have used the same guy you used.A The shop is
> Woodlands
> A Car Care, on Budde Rd, just south of Sawdust.
> A From: <[1][11]jderyke at aol.com>
> A Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 at 2:56 AM
> A To: <[2][12]mbefthomas at comcast.net>, Will Kooiman
> A <[3][13]will.kooiman at gmail.com>, <[4][14]ehpantera at yahoo.com>,
> A <[5][15]rob at dumoulins.net>, <[6][16]DeTomaso at poca.com>
> A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
> A Short answer: yes. I used my OEM 1972 rubber gasket with no
> problems.
> A And you get to choose whether the secondary pane protrudes into the
> A cockpit or into the engine bay. The distance is about 1/4" so its no
> A big deal.
> Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?
> A -----Original Message-----
> A From: Mike Thomas <[7][17]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> A To: 'Will Kooiman' <[8][18]will.kooiman at gmail.com>; 'mark skwarek'
> A <[9][19]ehpantera at yahoo.com>; jderyke <[10][20]jderyke at aol.com>; rob
> A <[11][21]rob at dumoulins.net>; DeTomaso <[12][22]DeTomaso at poca.com>
> A Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2015 5:18 pm
> A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
> Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?
> -----Original
> Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[13]mailto:[23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> <[23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>] On Behalf Of
> Will Kooiman
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:59 PM
> To: mark skwarek
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> [16][26]rob at dumoulins.net;
> [17][27]DeTomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
> I
> had double pane safety glass made at a local glass shop.A Mine was
> cracked, so
> they could use it as a template.
> It was cheap too - under $100, if I recall
> correctly.
> On 9/10/15, 5:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of mark skwarek via
> DeTomaso"
> <[18][28]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of
> [19][29]detomaso at poca.com>
> wrote:
>
> A Some racing organizations require a non-combustible material
>
> separate
>
> A the engine compartment from the passenger compartment.
>
> Mark
>
> A On Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:00 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
>
> <[20][30]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>
> A A FWIW, Larry Stock of PPC-Reno sells an exact
>
> Lexan repro. Ron Wade in
>
> A A WA made a few double-pane rear windows for extra
>
> sound deadening; I
>
> A A have one.A Normally the rear window never gives
>
> trouble except during
>
> A A an engine pull when the distributor cap is left in
>
> place & contacts
>
> A the
> A A window during the pull.A One owner found that
>
> Weber velocity stacks
>
> A A also can break the glass during engine removals.
>
> The window is sort
>
> A of
> A A part of the rear firewall, but in engine
>
> fires, the glass invariably
>
> A A shatters early, so using Lexan likely does
>
> not degrade the "safety"
>
> A A aspect much. Most 'GR-4s' use plexiglas windows
>
> so the rear legs of
>
> A the
> A A factory roll cage can extend though to the
>
> rear fenders. One year at
>
> A A Bonneville, a Swedish Pantera showed up to run
>
> like this, and the
>
> A SCTA
> A A Tech Inspectors made them remove the Lexan
>
> window and substitute a
>
> A thin
> A A galvanized steel sheet!
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> A A From: Rob Dumoulin <[1][21][31]rob at dumoulins.net>
>
> To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List <[2][22][32]DeTomaso at poca.com>
>
> A A Sent: Thu, Sep
>
> 10, 2015 12:20 pm
>
> A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
> A Is there anything
>
> special about the rear glass?AA It being flat makes
>
> A A me
> A think that I
>
> would not have to go through a vendor and get one made
>
> A A just for
> A a
>
> Pantera.
>
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Terry,
I agree that a wiki approach for the Pantera would be great. Are you
suggesting adding topics to the global wikipedia are creating a private
wiki site?
Imagine if each of us could put in particular mods with part numbers
and a brief description of function/fit and the site was organized by
system (cooling, suspension, glass, transmission, brakes, A/C,
interior, exterior, electrical, etc.) and part (brake rotor, caliper,
brake lines, master cylinder, brake fluid). A
I often wondered what all my options are for rebuilding a certain
component of my car (and I am close to having addressed every one of
them so far) and probably could have saved some time and money if such
a knowledge base existed.A I certainly would have been able to make
better decisions along the way, at least when I did not pose a question
to the group here..
Rob DuMoulin
904.476.8744
[1]rob at dumoulins.net
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On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Himes, Terry (397C)
<[4]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
Ya kow.. you guys are a encyclopedia of Pantera tribal knowledge.A I
was thinking, since our Pantera's are going
to be around for a long time we should start WikiPedia for Pantera's.A
The MediaWiki it's is built on is free. A I set one
up for JPL and we use it to capture the same kind of tribal knowledge
about spaceflight. A Hmmmm? A Internally weA
don't need it monitored and everyone is authenticated. A But on the
Internet it would have to be monitored.A I think
I head that Wikipedia gets 7000 updates every hour, 24/7. A (I might
not remember correctly, but a lot) A It wouldn'tA
be open to the public, but probably should use the POCA login. ? A
Thoughts?
"SometimesA IA think the surest signs that intelligent lifeA
A exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
A to contact us!"
Terry W. HimesA
JPLA Jet Propulsion Laboratory
InSight Sequence Team Lead
Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
Phone: [5](818) 393-6261
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d--od-,
From: DeTomaso <[9]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of POCA
<[10]detomaso at poca.com>
Reply-To: Mike Drew <[11]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 11:26 AM
To: Rob Dumoulin <[12]rob at dumoulins.net>
Cc: Ken Green <[13]kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "[14]jderyke at aol.com"
<[15]jderyke at aol.com>, "[16]mbefthomas at comcast.net"
<[17]mbefthomas at comcast.net>, POCA <[18]detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
I'm glad jack reminded us. It's Ron Wade who sells double rear
windows--presumably two pieces of safety glass. Your glass shop can
probably replicate that though?
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 11, 2015, at 9:39, Rob Dumoulin <[19]rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
A A That was my confusion last night with the replies.
A A Rob DuMoulin
A A [20]904.476.8744
A A [1][21]rob at dumoulins.net
A A [2][22]www.kbsi.co
A A [3][23]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
A A On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Ken Green
<[4][24]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
A A wrote:
A A I thought standard automotive window glass wasA two layers of
safety
A A glass with an adhesive between them?A
A A That is not the same as double pane residential glass that have a
gas
A A filled gap between theA panes.
A A Ken
A A A
A A A A
__________________________________________________________________
A A From: Will Kooiman <[5][25]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
A A To: [6][26]jderyke at aol.com; [7][27]mbefthomas at comcast.net;
A A [8][28]ehpantera at yahoo.com; [9][29]rob at dumoulins.net;
[10][30]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 4:19 AM
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
A A AA A My glass had the same thickness as the original.AA A Maybe it
isn't
A A double
A A AA A pane.AA A I told the glass shop what I needed, and they said,
"Oh, you
A A AA A need double pane safety glass."
A A AA A The bummer was that I polished the original glass, and it
looked
A A AA A perfect.AA A I broke it while I was reinstalling
it.AA A That's why I
A A had to
A A AA A buy new glass in the first place.
A A AA A Kirby - I may have used the same guy you used.AA A The shop
is
A A Woodlands
A A AA A Car Care, on Budde Rd, just south of Sawdust.
A A AA A From: <[1][11][31]jderyke at aol.com>
A A AA A Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 at 2:56 AM
A A AA A To: <[2][12][32]mbefthomas at comcast.net>, Will Kooiman
A A AA A <[3][13][33]will.kooiman at gmail.com>,
<[4][14][34]ehpantera at yahoo.com>,
A A AA A <[5][15][35]rob at dumoulins.net>,
<[6][16][36]DeTomaso at poca.com>
A A AA A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
A A AA A Short answer: yes. I used my OEM 1972 rubber gasket with no
A A problems.
A A AA A And you get to choose whether the secondary pane protrudes
into the
A A AA A cockpit or into the engine bay. The distance is about 1/4" so
its no
A A AA A big deal.
A A Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?
A A AA A -----Original Message-----
A A AA A From: Mike Thomas <[7][17][37]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
A A AA A To: 'Will Kooiman' <[8][18][38]will.kooiman at gmail.com>; 'mark
skwarek'
A A AA A <[9][19][39]ehpantera at yahoo.com>; jderyke
<[10][20][40]jderyke at aol.com>; rob
A A AA A <[11][21][41]rob at dumoulins.net>; DeTomaso
<[12][22][42]DeTomaso at poca.com>
A A AA A Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2015 5:18 pm
A A AA A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
A A Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?
A A -----Original
A A Message-----
A A From: DeTomaso [[13][43]mailto:[23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
Behalf Of
A A Will Kooiman
A A Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:59 PM
A A To: mark skwarek
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A A [16][26][46]rob at dumoulins.net;
A A [17][27][47]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
A A I
A A had double pane safety glass made at a local glass shop.AA A Mine
was
A A cracked, so
A A they could use it as a template.
A A It was cheap too - under $100, if I recall
A A correctly.
A A On 9/10/15, 5:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of mark skwarek via
A A DeTomaso"
A A <[18][28][48]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of
A A [19][29][49]detomaso at poca.com>
A A wrote:
AA A Some racing organizations require a non-combustible material
A A separate
AA A the engine compartment from the passenger compartment.
A A Mark
AA A On Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:00 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
A A <[20][30][50]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
AA A AA A FWIW, Larry Stock of PPC-Reno sells an exact
A A Lexan repro. Ron Wade in
AA A AA A WA made a few double-pane rear windows for extra
A A sound deadening; I
AA A AA A have one.AA A Normally the rear window never gives
A A trouble except during
AA A AA A an engine pull when the distributor cap is left in
A A place & contacts
AA A the
AA A AA A window during the pull.AA A One owner found that
A A Weber velocity stacks
AA A AA A also can break the glass during engine removals.
A A The window is sort
AA A of
AA A AA A part of the rear firewall, but in engine
A A fires, the glass invariably
AA A AA A shatters early, so using Lexan likely does
A A not degrade the "safety"
AA A AA A aspect much. Most 'GR-4s' use plexiglas windows
A A so the rear legs of
AA A the
AA A AA A factory roll cage can extend though to the
A A rear fenders. One year at
AA A AA A Bonneville, a Swedish Pantera showed up to run
A A like this, and the
AA A SCTA
AA A AA A Tech Inspectors made them remove the Lexan
A A window and substitute a
AA A thin
AA A AA A galvanized steel sheet!
A A -----Original Message-----
AA A AA A From: Rob Dumoulin <[1][21][31][51]rob at dumoulins.net>
A A To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List
<[2][22][32][52]DeTomaso at poca.com>
AA A AA A Sent: Thu, Sep
A A 10, 2015 12:20 pm
AA A AA A Subject: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
AA A Is there anything
A A special about the rear glass?AAA A It being flat makes
AA A AA A me
AA A think that I
A A would not have to go through a vendor and get one made
AA A AA A just for
AA A a
A A Pantera.
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