[DeTomaso] Where Panteras were made

Richard Greenblum Richard at richardgreenblum.com
Mon Sep 14 13:38:56 EDT 2015


I do have pictures of it, but not of the VIN.  I¹ll dig them up as soon as I
get a chance.

From:  DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Rob Dumoulin
<rob at dumoulins.net>
Date:  Monday, September 14, 2015 at 12:31 PM
To:  Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>
Cc:  deTomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>
Subject:  Re: [DeTomaso] Where Panteras were made

   Richard,
   Too bad you did not think to take a picture of it and the VIN plate.A

   Rob DuMoulin
   904.476.8744
   [1]rob at dumoulins.net
   [2]www.kbsi.co
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   On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Richard Greenblum
   <[4]Richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:

     A  A I've read many dates and places for production over the
     years.A  I was
     A  A at the factory in Modena in February or March of 1995 and a
     yellow car
     A  A was being finished with an EFI 302 for a Swedish customer.A
     Casarini
     A  A told me it was the last Pantera that was going to be produced
     and its
     A  A sale price was approximately $195K US.A  I've never forgotten
     the wheels
     A  A it had for mobility during assembly.A  They were red steel
     spoke wheels
     A  A resembling farm tractor steel wheels.
     A  A Richard
     A  A Austin, TX
     A  A From: DeTomaso <[1][5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of
     deTomaso
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     A  A Reply-To: MikeDrew <[3][7]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
     A  A Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 at 7:49 PM
     A  A To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy
     <[4][8]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
     A  A Cc: deTomaso List <[5][9]detomaso at poca.com>
     A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where Panteras were made
     A  A Chuck,
     A  A I have since learned (from the Ford man who was the head of
     Ghia
     A  A operations at the time) that when Ford took over the whole
     operation in
     A  A 1972, they brought all manufacturing in-house. The cars were
     then
     A  A started and finished at Vignale in Turin and never went to
     Modena. Only
     A  A the non-US cars (euro and elsewhere) were dispatched to Modena
     for
     A  A completion and distribution.
     A  A Mike
     A  A Sent from my iPhone
     A  A On Sep 11, 2015, at 13:44, The DeTomaso Registry Guy

   A  A <[6][10]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
   A  A  A  Weren't they all made in the same place?
   A  A  A  I was referring to being made `close in time' or even physical
   A  A  A  proximity on the assembly line...A  The BSN of 4613 would tell
   me
   A  A more.
   A  A  A  I presume that Julian is being facetious, but I do not want
   his
   A  A  A  (British?) humor (?) to confuse people.
   A  A  A  No, all Panteras were NOT made in the same place.A  The
   earliest
   A  A  A  Panteras were made at Ghia, by then owned by De Tomaso too.
   A  A  A  Ford got (more) involved, De Tomaso bought Vignale, and they
   set up
   A  A  A  production of the bodies at Vignale
   A  A  A  (which is about 300 Km from the DeTomaso plant in the former
   A  A Maserati
   A  A  A  buildings in Modena.) Vignale is where they were "started".
   A  A  A  Then they were trucked (on dollies) to De Tomaso, where they
   were
   A  A  A  completed.
   A  A  A  Bodies starting around 9000 were then made by another
   constructor,
   A  A  A  until around 9100 or 9200, where it moved to
   A  A  A  Embo.A  Again, final assembly was at De Tomaso.
   A  A  A  Julian, if you want to confuse people let us discuss the
   "year"
   A  A (made)
   A  A  A  of a car!
   A  A  A  Chuck
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   I do have pictures of it, but not of the VIN.  I'll dig them up as soon
   as I get a chance.

   From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Rob Dumoulin
   <[2]rob at dumoulins.net>
   Date: Monday, September 14, 2015 at 12:31 PM
   To: Richard Greenblum <[3]richard at richardgreenblum.com>
   Cc: deTomaso List <[4]detomaso at poca.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where Panteras were made

      Richard,
      Too bad you did not think to take a picture of it and the VIN
   plate.A
      Rob DuMoulin
      904.476.8744
      [1][5]rob at dumoulins.net
      [2]www.kbsi.co
      [3][6]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
      On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Richard Greenblum
      <[4][7]Richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
        A  A I've read many dates and places for production over the
        years.A  I was
        A  A at the factory in Modena in February or March of 1995 and a
        yellow car
        A  A was being finished with an EFI 302 for a Swedish customer.A
        Casarini
        A  A told me it was the last Pantera that was going to be produced
        and its
        A  A sale price was approximately $195K US.A  I've never forgotten
        the wheels
        A  A it had for mobility during assembly.A  They were red steel
        spoke wheels
        A  A resembling farm tractor steel wheels.
        A  A Richard
        A  A Austin, TX
        A  A From: DeTomaso <[1][5][8]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf
   of
        deTomaso
        A  A List <[2][6][9]detomaso at poca.com>
        A  A Reply-To: MikeDrew <[3][7][10]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
        A  A Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 at 7:49 PM
        A  A To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy
        <[4][8][11]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
        A  A Cc: deTomaso List <[5][9][12]detomaso at poca.com>
        A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where Panteras were made
        A  A Chuck,
        A  A I have since learned (from the Ford man who was the head of
        Ghia
        A  A operations at the time) that when Ford took over the whole
        operation in
        A  A 1972, they brought all manufacturing in-house. The cars were
        then
        A  A started and finished at Vignale in Turin and never went to
        Modena. Only
        A  A the non-US cars (euro and elsewhere) were dispatched to
   Modena
        for
        A  A completion and distribution.
        A  A Mike
        A  A Sent from my iPhone
        A  A On Sep 11, 2015, at 13:44, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
      A  A <[6][10][13]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
      A  A  A  Weren't they all made in the same place?
      A  A  A  I was referring to being made `close in time' or even
   physical
      A  A  A  proximity on the assembly line...A  The BSN of 4613 would
   tell
      me
      A  A more.
      A  A  A  I presume that Julian is being facetious, but I do not want
      his
      A  A  A  (British?) humor (?) to confuse people.
      A  A  A  No, all Panteras were NOT made in the same place.A  The
      earliest
      A  A  A  Panteras were made at Ghia, by then owned by De Tomaso too.
      A  A  A  Ford got (more) involved, De Tomaso bought Vignale, and
   they
      set up
      A  A  A  production of the bodies at Vignale
      A  A  A  (which is about 300 Km from the DeTomaso plant in the
   former
      A  A Maserati
      A  A  A  buildings in Modena.) Vignale is where they were "started".
      A  A  A  Then they were trucked (on dollies) to De Tomaso, where
   they
      were
      A  A  A  completed.
      A  A  A  Bodies starting around 9000 were then made by another
      constructor,
      A  A  A  until around 9100 or 9200, where it moved to
      A  A  A  Embo.A  Again, final assembly was at De Tomaso.
      A  A  A  Julian, if you want to confuse people let us discuss the
      "year"
      A  A (made)
      A  A  A  of a car!
      A  A  A  Chuck
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